[12:40] <manchicken> Seems as though xgl kinda sucks right now.
[12:45] <manchicken> Grr... stuck compiz in so many places that I kept missing them removing them.
[01:01] <erenko> Herkese iyi geceler
[02:54] <cynics> bug #13550084 is like http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3080
[02:54] <cynics> bug #1355084 is like http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3080
[02:54] <FrankH> is anyone else having trouble with flash and konqueror in gutsy?
[02:54] <cynics> bug #135084
[02:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135084
[02:58] <jjesse> FrankH: there are several bugs about if i recall
[02:58] <FrankH> ok
[02:59] <FrankH> does the latest kernel cause a panic for anyone else?
[03:11] <ryanakca> FrankH: updated bug 135084
[03:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135084
[03:12] <ryanakca> hey Jucato
[03:12] <Jucato> hi ryanakca!
[03:12] <ryanakca> Long time no see :)
[03:12] <Jucato> heh yeah :)
[03:13] <FrankH> thanks, ryanakca
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Jucato! :)
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Going to check dog food then kick my ISP
[03:14] <Jucato> hm... dog food :)
[03:16] <DaSkreech> bah
[03:16] <DaSkreech> might as well reboot to windows
[03:16] <Jucato> O.o
[03:20] <ryanakca> hmm. anybody know how to test kmenu in appletproxy
[03:21] <ryanakca> ?
[03:21] <manchicken> powersaved seems to really work better on this system76 machine.
[03:22] <Jucato> claydoh!!!!!
[03:22] <claydoh> welcome back
[03:22] <Jucato> hehe thanks :)
[03:23] <ryanakca> hehe, you are :)
[03:23] <Jucato> hahaha
[03:46] <nixternal> booyah!
[03:46] <jjesse> nixternal: still updating my fresh debian install :)
[03:46] <jjesse> 482 packages updated
[03:47] <nixternal> yowser
[03:47] <nixternal> didn't they just do a newer release of etch? or have they just started the tagging?
[03:48] <nixternal> kdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils and maybe kdevelop and kdetoys to go
[03:48] <jjesse> i'm using a testing install of debian (lenny i think)
[03:48] <nixternal> ahh
[03:48] <nixternal> testing would be lenny
[03:49] <jjesse> wahoo tigers are whomping on the yankees
[03:49] <manchicken> So which seems to be better?  gnash or swfdec?
[03:49] <nixternal> and the Cubs are in 1st :)
[03:49] <nixternal> manchicken: unfortunately...neither
[03:49] <jjesse> did hell just freeze over?
[03:49] <nixternal> haha, I think so
[03:49] <manchicken> nspluginviewer doesn't seem to be working very well in konq.
[03:49] <nixternal> not with gutsy it isn't
[03:50] <nixternal> err, let me rephrase that...yes it is broken in gutsy...I remember you saying you updated to gutsy earlier
[03:50] <nixternal> I guess we are hoping that opensuse fixes it
[03:51] <jjesse> i was hoping nixternal was fixing it :)
[03:51] <manchicken> Aren't they moving to GNOME?
[03:51] <manchicken> (I guess hell froze over)
[03:51] <nixternal> dunno...I know they have a big KDE following over there
[05:29] <manchicken> Hmm... my machine keeps thinking the battery is running out and switching into power-save.
[05:29] <manchicken> The nice thing, on this machine that doesn't result in a kernel panic.
[05:29] <manchicken> So sweet.
[05:29] <DaSKreech> ha ha :)
[05:29] <DaSKreech> it's so easy to make a geek happy
[05:40] <manchicken> Yes.  Yes it is.
[05:40] <manchicken> Give me what I pay for and make it suck less and I'm very happy.
[05:40] <manchicken> I've already got most of my environment migrated over.
[05:42] <DaSKreech> manchicken: KDE4 ?
[05:44] <manchicken> Naw, I'm running Gutsy kubuntu on my new System76 machine.
[05:45] <manchicken> I'm so happy to have some battery life.
[05:45] <DaSKreech> Wait
[05:45] <DaSKreech> thats real?
[06:12] <manchicken> Yes.
[06:12] <manchicken> I've been on battery for a few hours now, and I've still got some time left.
[06:13] <DaSKreech> what's it like?
[06:13] <DaSKreech> how long did they take to ship?
[06:13] <DaSKreech> can I get a Linux sticker with it?
[06:16] <manchicken> They ship rather quickly.
[06:16] <manchicken> It took a total of 11 days.
[06:16] <manchicken> Calendar.
[06:16] <manchicken> But I bought up on the shipping.  I got the 2nd-day shipping.
[06:18] <DaSKreech> where are you?
[06:18] <manchicken> About 150mi south of Chicago.
[06:19] <DaSKreech> Hmm so it would take like a month and half to reach me
[06:20] <manchicken> where are you at?
[06:20] <manchicken> I'm not sure what their international shipping is like.
[06:20] <DaSKreech> in the caribbean
[06:20] <manchicken> It only took 1.5 days to reach me once they shipped it.
[06:21] <manchicken> Most of the wait time was weekend and manufacturing.
[06:21] <DaSKreech> I'ts built when you order it?
[06:22] <DaSKreech>  i thought that it was one SKU
[06:22] <manchicken> Yeah
[06:23] <manchicken> Naw, it's built to order
[06:23] <manchicken> I got some custom stuff done with mine, so maybe they do inventory the default-builds.
[06:24] <manchicken> I wouldn't doubt if most of the folks who buy from them customize it a bit though.
[06:25] <manchicken> This 12.1" guy is just fantastic.
[06:25] <manchicken> I'm gonna head to bed though.  Catch you later.
[06:31] <DaSKreech> Nighht
[06:31] <DaSKreech> manchicken: Does it have wifi?
[06:43] <innovati> hey guys, I'm going to be testing various laptops and trying to find the best one for running Kubuntu
[06:44] <innovati> is there a utility on the liveCD that would either benchmark or allow me to compare the performace of kubuntu on each machine in an apples to apples way?
[06:49] (DaSKreech/#kubuntu-devel) i'm guessing no :)
[09:20] <Tonio_> Hi there
[09:31] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:32] <_StefanS_> finally number #2 came.. 4300grams / 54cm in length.
[09:32] <Jucato> morning _StefanS_
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Hey Jucato
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:
[09:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: !!!
[09:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I was looking for you :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> oh ? :)
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interested in improving kdebluetooth ?
[09:44] <_StefanS_> well I've been busy with the new boy
[09:44] <_StefanS_> ^
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: coupple of things that don't work correctly :)
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!
[09:44] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: congratulations !!!!!!!
[09:44] <_StefanS_> thank you :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> He's doing fine, and the mom also.
[09:44] <Tonio_> great
[09:45] <Jucato> wow congratulations!!
[09:45] <Tonio_> is she still in hospital ?
[09:45] <_StefanS_> but its a little hard when you have 1 year old also ;) - kinda busy house
[09:45] <_StefanS_> nope, we came back the same day.
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect so ;)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> the whole deal took 3 hours.
[09:45] <_StefanS_> kinda quick :)
[09:45] <Jucato> wow I've only been gone for 2 months now _StefanS_ has a new baby :)
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: forget kdebluetooth then, we'll find someone else :)
[09:46] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Jucato: interested in working on kdebluetooth ? ;)
[09:47] <Tonio_> Jucato: now that _StefanS_ might not have time.... ;)
[09:47] <Jucato> sorry.. no packaging/coding skills acquired during my sabbatical :(
[09:47] <Jucato> quite unfortunate though, since I actually have the hardware to run tests (usb bluetooth + phone)
[09:48] <_StefanS_> what needs to be done in kbt ?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> typing while giving a bottle of milk heh
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: deadline ? ^
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there are problems with the systray icon
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to make it simple : when you hide it, it doesn't hide
[09:51] <_StefanS_> tell me about it :) i told you a week ago :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second problem : when you want it hidden and restart kdebluetooth, you don't see the icon, but the space is still used in the systray, it should do like adept updater for example
[09:51] <Tonio_> hum true
[09:51] <Tonio_> you already said that
[09:51] <_StefanS_> yep got it.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> is that the only problems ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: last thing (and that's new), kdebluetooth doesn't want to start when there is no pluggued bluetooth device
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it should (I guess) detect when a new device is connected, that's the way the old framework worked
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and I suspect that should be possible pretty easilly
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: shouldn't be that hard to detect a dbus event or something to see when a device is connected
[09:53] <_StefanS_> got it.
[09:53] <_StefanS_> so how much time to fix it?
[09:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we have general exception for kdebluetooth so I'd say that you have a bit of time
[09:55] <Tonio_> not 3 weeks of course, but a week or so
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just fixing the hide thing in the systray would be good
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I think allee is working on the card detection ar startup
[09:56] <_StefanS_> good, I'll focus on the tray thingy.
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: best would be in fact to remove that systray hiding option and make it automatic
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: for example : start it -> no icon
[09:56] <Tonio_> plug the bluetooth device -> icon appears
[09:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's seems to be the good way to do  no ?
[09:57] <_StefanS_> hmm what if you want to configure something before you activate a bluetooth device ? That would be kinda hard with the icon not being there.
[09:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the problem atm is that there is no way in the code to detect the device dinamically, just at startup
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: every setting is applied on a device, within it's mac address
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no device, no settings, that's simple
[09:58] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[09:58] <Tonio_> so that would be the good way to do, but first fixing the hiding function to hide correctly would be good
[09:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as I said, adept is a perfect example, as it does it correctly
[09:59] <_StefanS_> I'm going to take some notes and start looking at it.
[09:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you want to guess how old kdebluetooth was detecting the devide pluging, I can have a look on that point toonight
[10:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super ;) you rock
[10:00] <_StefanS_> I'm off for two 2 weeks without the regular day-job, so I have some 2-3 hours a day to look at it.
[10:00] <_StefanS_> starting now :)
[10:00] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee
[10:00] <_StefanS_> anyone know how lpia is going ?
[10:01] <_StefanS_> wowsers. thats alot of updates
[10:01] <_StefanS_> 232mb since last week :)
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: that new LCD monitor you bought a while ago, was it a Samsung?
[10:06] <Jucato> yep
[10:06] <Jucato> 740N
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: uhm thats a 17" ?
[10:06] <Jucato> yep
[10:06] <Jucato> 1280x1024
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: uhm ok, I was looking to buy that 24" 1920x1200 that they make... its very cheap, and I was concerned with the image quality
[10:07] <_StefanS_> what was the model number.. uh.
[10:07] <Jucato> wow! 24" :)
[10:07] <Jucato> oh btw, I finally got a dead-tree copy of the Qt 4 book. )
[10:07] <Jucato> :)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> well its _very_ cheap.. 245B its called
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato: let me know if its any good !
[10:08] <Jucato> sure :)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato: budget version of 244T.
[10:08] <Jucato> according to nixternal, he finds it better than either Qt Foundations or danimo's
[10:08] <_StefanS_> nice, did you get it from amazon?
[10:09] <Jucato> nope. local bookstore
[10:09] <Jucato> C++ GUI programming with Qt 4... it just hit our local bookstore this month
[10:09] <_StefanS_> gotta look here in dk then
[10:09] <Jucato> along with 3 Ubuntu books :)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> might be on its way, even though it usually takes time.
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: arent we supposed to have a graphical Xorg configuration gui also for kde?
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like in regular ubuntu ? :)
[10:10] <Jucato> don't we usually get new features 1 release later? :)
[10:11] <Jucato> wait, doesn't kde-guidance do that already?
[10:11] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[10:12] <_StefanS_> seems we only have some basic xorg configuration
[10:12] <Jucato> ah you meant more advanced...
[10:12] <Jucato> hm.. has anyone taken a look at KX Config for that?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> its on kde-look.org, right?
[10:12] <Jucato> searching
[10:12] <_StefanS_> I think I saw it in the past. It also tries to support prop. gfx, right?
[10:12] <Jucato> I had the link before..
[10:13] <Jucato> sorry KX Generator
[10:13] <Jucato> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kX+Generator?content=39085
[10:13] <_StefanS_> right.
[10:13] <_StefanS_> although I dont like it just resembles the configurationfile top-down.
[10:13] <Jucato> ah
[10:14] <_StefanS_> I mean,. its logical for a programmer to design it like that, but users dont really care ;)
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Its confusing I think.
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, we have the kde-guidance
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: might requires a few new features to get the same functionnality level I suspect
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Monitors and Displays in systemsettings., right ?
[10:14] <_StefanS_> yep.
[10:14] <Jucato> yep
[10:15] <Jucato> or displayconfig
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: same thing.
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that kx generator is nice, but it has a big problem : it is not a kcontrol module ;)
[10:15] <Jucato> I meant if you wanted to run it solo :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hard to integrate properly
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, and and the layout doesnt really appeal that much to me either.
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wizard stuff would be nice too.
[10:16] <_StefanS_> autodetect and so on using ddc probe
[10:16] <Jucato> hm.. weird... the layout of kxg on a local distro seems to be different from the one in the screenshots...
[10:16] <_StefanS_> but we'll have to wait with that until I get employed full time by canonical hehe :)
[10:16] <_StefanS_> (just kidding)
[10:16] <Jucato> what a dream
[10:16] <_StefanS_> I think I'm going to buy that monitor. Looks kinda nice.
[10:16] <Jucato> :)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> heh ;)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> oh nice someone fixed subversion in lpia
[10:17] <_StefanS_> phew.
[10:18] <_StefanS_> damn ruby stuff :D
[10:22] <_StefanS_> anyone know if HP's brightview is a glossy coating?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> argh seems like it.
[10:39] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/65757 is gone?
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65757 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance: the initscript hangs the whole system" [Undecided,New] 
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I havent seen that bug at all.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: dont think thats an issue anymore
[10:41] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: cool
[10:42] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i decided to do a bit of bug triage on kde-guidance.  i assume there's a point in that
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: do ask around though, someonen might still experience it.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> k
[10:44] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: did you happen to know if lure wants to keep these open, if they're at incomplete?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm, we need to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/109443 before beta
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109443 in kde-guidance "update/upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] 
[10:54] <_StefanS_> err just had to change a diaper
[10:55] <_StefanS_> lemme check
[10:55] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: any idea if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/105439 is still a problem, too?
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105439 in kde-guidance "power-manager not loads correct .mo file" [Undecided,New] 
[10:56] <_StefanS_> 109443 needs to have a dependency on python-scanpci i expect
[10:56] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: what's that?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: it doesnt exist in gutsy
[10:57] <_StefanS_> uhm 2secs
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: kde-guidance-powermanager works fine here
[11:03] <_StefanS_> no .mo errors.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: does ti relate to a different language?
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: could be.. seems like its russian.
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: cant test language here.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: maybe guidance-pwrmgr wasnt translated to russu
[11:05] <_StefanS_> russian?
[11:06] <_StefanS_> oh I see it was.-
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you can upload kdesdk to lpia also. It builds without changes to the package.
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: someone submitted subversion which it depended upon.
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I gotta go, sorry.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> no problem
[11:31] <Riddell> _Sime: ever heard of Uwe Koziolek?  he sent me an update to pcitable for nvidia for guidance
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like there is a fix for nspluginviewer....
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing right now
[12:03] <allee> Tonio_: morning :)
[12:04] <allee> Tonio_: I've worked out the kbt startup issue.  Sent it last (late) night to kubuntu-devel, but have not got the msg back from the list :(
[12:04] <Tonio_> allee: ah :(
[12:05] <Tonio_> allee: what does your fix exactly ? avoids the error when started without a plugued key ?
[12:05] <allee> Tonio_: I'll sent it to you.  What's _StefanS_ e-mail?
[12:05] <Tonio_> allee: lemme check
[12:05] <allee> Tonio_: start/not start when device is available on startup.  Start bkt when a device get's plugged later
[12:06] <Tonio_> allee: nice
[12:06] <Tonio_> allee: does it deal with unpluging/repluging ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> allee: sfs_at_enhance-it.dk
[12:07] <allee> Tonio_: the script does not exit kbt when a device is unplugged.  But it listens to device removal, just does nothing in this case
[12:09] <allee> Tonio_: sent to you laposte e-mail.
[12:09] <allee> Strange that it's not on the k-d list after 10 hours
[12:10] <Tonio_> allee: yep :(
[12:10] <Tonio_> allee: I'll work on that bluetooth thingy toonight ;)
[12:10] <Tonio_> allee: atm I have to test that nspluginviewer patch, I can't stand having to use firefox all day long :)
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh? where?
[12:12] <allee> Tonio_: right, as I want to switch to Gusty for my primary laptop, I can only agree :)
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385#c22
[12:12] <ubotu> Novell bug 294385 in GNOME "glib2 busyloops, blocking Konqueror and Opera on flash sites" [Blocker,Assigned] 
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: see at the bottom.... currently building here for testing :)
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that won't fix opera btw
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand the point of that bug in fact, is that a deep change in gtk or a libglib bug ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> looks like a gtk bug btw, as lots of gtk based apps have to be fixed (OOo, nspluginviewer, acroread...)
[12:14] <Riddell> mm, making nspluginviewer depend on gtk, yay
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup I saw that, but well, as we already provide gtk with gtk-qt-engines......
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if that really fixes the problem...
[12:18] <Riddell> gtk-qt-engines doesn't depend on gtk
[12:18] <Riddell> amarok however does
[12:18] <Riddell> so does skim
[12:19] <Riddell> hmm, gtk-qt-engine does depend on gtk, that should be fixed
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep amarok for the libgpod I guess
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that normal that gtk-qt depends on gtk ? ;)
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: how fixing ? that's a builddep
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, but I removed the shlib dependency in the past
[12:21] <Riddell> this brings bad karma and someone must have put it back
[12:21] <Riddell> but it doesn't do any harm, since a gtk engine can't be used until you install gtk
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll let you know what about the patch result, and then you decide what to do with it....
[12:23] <Riddell> if it works, we should apply it
[12:23] <Tonio_> k
[12:24] <Riddell> upstream should still fix the issue, but they're selfish and probably won't
[12:24] <Riddell> and flash/acroread should also fix the issue but they're proprietry and probably won't
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: well concerning acroread, no chance, but I suspect a fix might come along for flash, as there are regular updates for this
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: still proprietary, but adobe looks like pushing for something good
[12:29] <Riddell> I wonder how much that's due to competition from gnash/swfdec
[12:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you looked at system menu not working with dolphin at all?
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: not yet but that's planned
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can have a look toonight or tomorrow, not yet....
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to reproduce ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have several things to tst on dolphin but I wasn't aware of that issue, and I can't see any "system" entry in it
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: OH ! the kicker system thing ?
[12:34] <Riddell> yes
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay that's just a desktop file problem
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: needs  to accept URLs
[12:35] <Tonio_> \
[12:35] <Tonio_> rah.... %U
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching this right now
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a launchpad bug related to this ?
[12:40] <Riddell> not that I've noticed
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[12:41] <Tonio_> I was looking at the list of dolphin's bugs, I can fix some of them pretty quickly, doing that now, during lunch :)
[12:42] <Riddell> nice
[01:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you add kvkbd to k-d-s?
[01:25] <Riddell> I noticed my inbox was getting filled up this morning :)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:53] <nixternal> what a beautiful day! mornin' everyone, or afternoon, or how about evening? :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> good evening nixternal!
[01:56] <Riddell> ah, nixternal, ogra was saying you were interested in maintaining edubuntu-desktop-kde
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: +   * When I open some directory by Dolphin, on the right column, under the images, all the operation are duplicated ('compress here', 'open
[01:59] <Riddell> +as root', are listed twice)
[01:59] <Riddell> seen that?
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking
[01:59] <Riddell> also: +   * if there is a directory that contains space in the name (for example 'New Folder'), and I open this directory by 'open a root' option
[01:59] <Riddell> +(in Dolphin), Dolphin will open 2 directory: a directory named 'New' and another named 'Folder', and than alert me that this directorys
[01:59] <Riddell> +doesn't exists.
[02:00] <Riddell> I've not verified, this is just from the tribe Feedback page
[02:01] <nixternal> Riddell: orly
[02:02] <nixternal> I would be interested as a matter of fact
[02:06] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy, the job's yours.  not that it should need much work, just checking if there's new apps in the desktop seed to be added
[02:09] <Riddell> hi Jucato
[02:11] <Jucato> oh good no one noticed my wav hahaha
[02:11] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[02:11] <Jucato> next time I should ogg :P
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: kvdb is planned too
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: toonight
[02:12] <jjesse> morning
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the operations are not duplicated in dolphin for me
[02:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, as I say I've not verified
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: as I said, I'd preferably not set dolphin as default, only install it, for gutsy
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: we really should reconsider this imho, as there are lots of little bugs in dolphin, making it an immature software
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we should reconsider this quick :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> another bug I found is that dolphin doesn't work with help:/
[02:16] <Tonio_> which is a bit nasty....
[02:16] <Riddell> in which scenario?
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 132375
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132375 in dolphin "Dolphin doesn't properly use the help:/ kio" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132375
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course that's only for people that are used to type help:/ in the address bar
[02:20] <Tonio_> clicking a link somewhere or a desktop icon will launch konqueror
[02:26] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy right back at ya
[02:26] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing kvkbd now, I have a couple of minutes to do it
[02:28] <nixternal> mornin' jjesse
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, session entry doesn't help having kvkbd reduced on startup..... looking at dcop for this
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: want the main window on the screen by default or not ?
[02:41] <Riddell> for minor-motor-difficulties yes
[02:43] <manchicken> Tonio_: Wuddup homes?
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: how did the nspluginviewer patch work?
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki no problem with the non-minimized thing then :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: just tested, works perfectly :)
[02:44] <Riddell> groovy
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait a little bit for upload as I'm also patching knetaccess in kdebase to fix bug 133957
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133957 in dolphin "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133957
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that requires both kdelibs and kdebase to be patched, but as this is a mean of security, I think we should do it
[02:45] <Tonio_> manchicken: hey ;) what is "wuddup" ?
[02:45] <manchicken> Tonio_: That's manchicken for "what's up?"
[02:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe oki ;) well that's fine, I'm at work today, so not very available, but that's okay :)
[02:46] <manchicken> I've formed my own language, and it's more precise than francais :P
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably upload both kdelibs and kdebase toonight
[02:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: si tu le dis... :)
[02:46] <manchicken> We should all speak manchicken for diplomacy world-wide.
[02:46] <nixternal> manchicken: you didn't form your own language, you just copied ebonics there
[02:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: and that's "franais", not "francais"
[02:46] <manchicken> nixternal: No, ebonics is wuzzup
[02:47] <nixternal> actually, that is more ebonics with a little Elmer Fudd thrown in
[02:47] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yes, but I don't have that key on my keyboard :)
[02:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: the "" is important, otherwise we would pronouce this franKais
[02:47] <nixternal> hehe
[02:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: haha, I know ;)
[02:47] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah, I know, circumflex is very important.  I just lack the accent keys on my keyboard.
[02:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: that's why azerty keyboards are supperior to qwerty, you can type more letter with them
[02:47] <nixternal> manchicken: cheat like I do, go into kword and insert the char and then c/p it into irc...but if you are using konvi, then you can just insert the char with it
[02:48] <manchicken> Tonio_:I would think a more concise language would have fewer characters :P
[02:48] <manchicken> nixternal: There is kcharpicker or something like that.
[02:48] <manchicken> nixternal: That works better, no loading up the office libs.
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: try hawaiian, alphabet of 15 characters.
[02:48] <nixternal> ya, like "lol", "wtf", "brb", "bff" :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch, it just looks like kdelibs ftbfs due to cups..... very annoying...
[02:48] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: And all the pineapple you can eat.
[02:49] <nixternal> they had a thing about those silly text/chat words on the news yesterday...I knew like 3 of them
[02:49] <Tonio_>  /tmp/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdeprint/cups/cupsdconf2/cups-util.c:111: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[02:49] <nixternal> mmm pineapple
[02:49] <Tonio_> evil........
[02:50] <nixternal> don't forget to update the "kubuntuify the about" for Konqi..it needs to point to the correct help page
[02:50] <manchicken> Yeah, using powersaved seems to work rather well for power management.
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: yeah.. it does.
[02:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, there's a patch for that
[02:51] <manchicken> I've been using the default color scheme and theme for a while now.
[02:51] <manchicken> It's kinda nice.
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[02:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: I expect debian have it in their svn
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking
[02:52] <Riddell> if not, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148021
[02:52] <ubotu> KDE bug 148021 in general "kdelibs: build fails against cups-1.3" [Normal,New] 
[02:52] <manchicken> I have a feeling that the "we want xgl by default" people will be sorely disappointed though.
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll add the patch and also test the fish/sftp patch I've written
[02:52] <manchicken> Neither Beryl or compiz are working very well on this machine.
[02:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you get my message on kdesdk ?
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: fish/sftp patch?
[02:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: don't think so
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 133957
[02:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you can upload it to lpia, it works with no changes.
[02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133957 in dolphin "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133957
[02:53] <nixternal> some try this:  from the main Konqi window where there is the doco link, trash link/icon and such, click on applications, and then click on "System Settings"...do you get an error?
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: not a dolphin issue in fact, pure kdebase/kdelibs problem
[02:53] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if it just needs compiled you need to tell infinity
[02:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: right, I will.
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: using fish is pretty evil compared to sftp btw
[02:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kdewebdev is there aswell, so the whole kde suite should be done now.
[02:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's messy, but fish works in places where sftp doesn't I believe
[02:54] <nixternal> nevermind that...seems I had a rogue .desktop file
[02:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: donno if there's anything else that needs to be done on lpia?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: fish doesn't need sftp to work, as it uses standard ssh connection to perform the tasks
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kde-wise I mean.
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: usefull indeed, but terribly slow aswell
[02:56] <_StefanS_> nixternal: works for me.
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but indeed, fish works watever you do on the server part, even if you disable sftp and scp
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw what to do with the bug ? I'm not sure there are security issues as this also uses ssl, it is just as secured as ssh can be
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can fix or reject, you decide :)
[02:58] <nixternal> at least fix the help:/ one :)
[03:00] <Tonio_> nixternal: hardly reproduceable here
[03:01] <Tonio_> nixternal: unless you use dolphin to browse html pages containing help:/ links
[03:01] <Tonio_> nixternal: have an example ?
[03:02] <nixternal> help:/kubuntu/index
[03:02] <nixternal> help:/amarok
[03:02] <nixternal> anything like that, will come up with a malformed error
[03:02] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah, but that's when you type the url in dolphin manually right ?
[03:03] <nixternal> dolphin knows what to do when you feed it an html page, it opens up konqi
[03:03] <nixternal> Tonio_: correct
[03:03] <Tonio_> if yes, I don't consider this a bug, but a non-existing feature, which is different
[03:03] <Tonio_> nixternal: we're in feature freeze :)
[03:03] <nixternal> unfreeze it :p
[03:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd reject, although I'm not necessarily against switching to sftp by default if that's easy to do
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: not that hard, but requires patch for kdebase and kdelibs with an s/fish/sftp on netaccess/knetaccess
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably a bit too much to fix such a little thing that late in the dev cycle....
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably just reject it
[03:04] <Tonio_> or discard to gutsy+1
[03:04] <nixternal> Tonio_: reject my help:/ one while you are at it
[03:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: yup :)
[03:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'll change to whishlist instead or rejecting
[03:11] <Tonio_> nixternal: done
[03:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: since the last version, I cant configure my mouse anymore. It complains about it cant create the input device
[03:17] <nihui> Riddell: Tonio_: Why doesn't the gtalk in kopete have "voice call" function?
[03:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hu ?
[03:17] <nihui> may i have the reason please?
[03:17] <Tonio_> nihui: we don't build it with libjingle I guess....
[03:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can see my bt mouse, but clicking the "setup" button yields a dialog with the message that It can create the inpu tdevice
[03:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: need to test that toonight, no bt mouse here
[03:18] <_StefanS_> oka
[03:18] <Tonio_> nixternal: what is the malone status for "rejected" now ? is that "won't fix" or "invalid" ?
[03:19] <nihui> Tonio_: but why don't you built it with that? i think the "voice call" is really great~
[03:20] <freeflying> Tonio_: won't fix and invalid
[03:20] <Tonio_> freeflying: both ? oki
[03:20] <Tonio_> nihui: because the lib is in universe, and we try not to get too much lib in main
[03:22] <Tonio_> nihui: btw a "main" package cannot build-depend on a universe one
[03:22] <Tonio_> nihui: too late in the gutsy dev cycle to get that done, but we may consider this for gutsy+1 then
[03:22] <freeflying> Tonio_: both
[03:23] <Hobbsee> nihui: ahh, i know the answer to this.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah ? :)
[03:23] <nihui> Hobbsee: ?
[03:23] <Tonio_> nihui: also the voice support in kopete isn't really stable atm
[03:23] <Hobbsee> nihui: because gtalk only works with a particular version of libjingle, and we have a later version in ubuntu, which other things depend on.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> tha'ts the main reason that i havent put it in.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> and getting an obsolete vesrion of a library in main....even the thought of that is painful.
[03:24] <freeflying> Hobbsee: nihui wonders why other distribution supports  :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: interesting
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so the libjingle version we have is incompatible with gtalk ?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> freeflying: because it's not commercial support, and they dont care about having multiple libraries.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it was when i last checked (when it was first announced), yes
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[03:25] <manchicken>  Anybody ever got a webcam working in kubuntu before?
[03:26] <Tonio_> nihui: also according to kopete devs, they will not have a nice and stable gtalk support before kde4/phonon
[03:26] <freeflying> manchicken: webcam is not spcific to kubuntu
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like phonon is meant to support jingle, I didn't knew that
[03:26] <manchicken> freeflying: This I know.  But system76 claims this guy works under gnome, and I'm having a hard time configuring it in kubuntu.
[03:26] <freeflying> Tonio_: how dose phonon support jingle?
[03:27] <Tonio_> freeflying: no idea that was on the blog of a kopete dev
[03:27] <manchicken> Hmm...
[03:27] <Tonio_> freeflying: he was explaining that the jingle support within libjingle is a bit crackfull, and that this would change with kde4/phonon
[03:28] <freeflying> manchicken: borrow me one, I will configure it for you :)
[03:28] <freeflying> Tonio_: sounds nice
[03:28] <freeflying> nihui: so, are you ok for the reason why dosen;t kubuntu support gtalk's vocie now?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: neat!
[03:29] <manchicken> heh
[03:29] <Tonio_> freeflying: "Implement a new Jingle media engine based on Phonon" at google SOC 2006
[03:29] <Tonio_> freeflying: hopefully that'll work :)
[03:30] <Tonio_> freeflying: http://ts2.altervista.org/soc/
[03:30] <manchicken> freeflying: I just spent a lot of time getting my new lappy.  Anybody who wants it is welcome to it if they're willing to pry it from my cold dead hands.
[03:30] <freeflying> Tonio_: I really hope we will have a usablity kde4.0 next year :)
[03:30] <manchicken> heh
[03:30] <nihui> freeflying: ^^:)
[03:30] <manchicken> System76 did a great job on this machine though.
[03:30] <Tonio_> no idea if that's been done actually...... just it was planned
[03:31] <manchicken> Heh, KDE has a barbie camera listed in their camera configuration setting.
[03:33] <allee> Tonio_: I can confirm _StefanS_ bt mouse problem.  Same here.
[03:33] <Tonio_> allee: argh....
[03:34] <Tonio_> allee: okay I'll try with the latest svn sync....
[03:34] <freeflying> Tonio_: btw, will you have a look on kdm's login box font configure, seems it dosen't use Sans
[03:34] <Tonio_> freeflying: ah ? send me a mail about that, I'll look toonight :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> freeflying: no time right now
[03:36] <Tonio_> freeflying: I was pretty sure it was using Sans, just not the same size....
[03:36] <freeflying> Tonio_: really? but it can not pick up Chinese fonts here
[03:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like kbt is pretty much work in progress.. cant you verify a good revision with the devs instead of trial and error?
[03:37] <freeflying> Tonio_: so it will has the same issue to Japanese and Korean
[03:38] <manchicken> Ooh, there's an SD reader on this thing too.  Don't know if it works though.
[03:39] <freeflying> manchicken: SD reader works fine
[03:41] <manchicken> freeflying: In system76?
[03:41] <manchicken> I'm not sure how to get it working.  Submitted an email to their support guy.
[03:41] <freeflying> manchicken: you'd better join #kubuntu
[03:42] <manchicken> freeflying: I could, but I'd rather give system76's support a whirl.
[03:42] <_StefanS_> manchicken: isnt it just a standard builtin usb device, like any other laptop?
[03:42] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Seems like it.
[03:43] <manchicken> freeflying: It's not really important to me right now.  I don't really have a use for the webcam.
[03:45] <Tonio__> allee, _StefanS_: there was fixes on the input thing on svn, currently building the package
[03:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: good
[03:45] <manchicken> There we go, I've now reviews this darter on my blog.  I need to put some photos up.
[03:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: lets hope  nothing else broken :/
[03:46] <_StefanS_> is broken
[03:46] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: yeah :/
[03:46] <_StefanS_> manchicken: it had a 12.1 screen, right?
[03:46] <manchicken> Did we ever get the basket problem sorted out?
[03:46] <manchicken> _StefanS_: yes.
[03:47] <_StefanS_> manchicken: i have a spare 2x2inch led display from an old radio in case you want to go with a larger resolution external monitor ... haha
[03:47] <manchicken> heh
[03:48] <manchicken> I've got 1280x800 IIRC
[03:48] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[03:48] <_StefanS_> but its probably very light
[03:49] <_StefanS_> weight i mean
[03:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I ordered that 24" lcd.. i bought a benq fp241w, so lets hope its worth the money
[03:52] <Jucato> yay!!
[03:53] <manchicken> _StefanS_: If I wanted a big display I would have done something like that.  I just want something tiny that will help me hack and do work.'
[03:56] <Riddell> anyone feel like packaging this?  I've had a request  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[03:58] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yep, its all about what you need.
[03:59] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Yup.  Did you read my review?
[03:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: i just read that you had bought it over a gateway/dell kinda thing
[04:00] <apokryphos> Jucato: you like it? :o
[04:00] <manchicken> _StefanS_: I just posted a bit of a review.
[04:00] <_StefanS_> manchicken: blog url?
[04:00] <manchicken> apokryphos: I'd like to see it in action, but I don't like it either.
[04:00] <Jucato> apokryphos: let's just say that after trying all 3 kmenu alternatives, I have a better appreciation of your kickoff now :P
[04:01] <apokryphos> =)
[04:01] <manchicken> Is kickoff in repos?  I've never tried it.
[04:01] <_StefanS_> well i think all of them just make you work.... slower.
[04:01] <apokryphos> manchicken: not afaik though there are some packages of it on kde-apps
[04:01] <Jucato> nope. never managed to got it packaged. I think Tonio was interested in doing that but sort of gave up...
[04:01] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:02] <apokryphos> _StefanS_: kickoff makes things quite a bit faster I find. Use your favourites instead of trawling through the menu, or use the search to get inline search results
[04:02] <Riddell> I did compile kickoff once, it segfaulted on startup
[04:02] <Riddell> if someone wants to patch our kdebase for it that's fine, but it would have to not be default and have suse branding removed
[04:02] <_StefanS_> apokryphos: so you could just use Quick launcher.
[04:03] <Jucato> _StefanS_: depends on how many stuff you put into it. don't wanna crowd your panel either...
[04:03] <_StefanS_> apokryphos: well its just personall preference
[04:03] <apokryphos> _StefanS_: usability studies on it look quite promising though :)
[04:03] <_StefanS_> more alternatives the better.
[04:03] <Jucato> yeah. you choose the tool that fits your workflow/needs. not the other way around
[04:03] <_StefanS_> i know
[04:04] <apokryphos> I don't really know about packaging but it's worth asking in #opensuse-kde if there are any specific issues (they're very willing to help)
[04:04] <apokryphos> sabayon and pclinuxos have it packaged, but I think the fedora guys needed a couple of pointers
[04:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: so hows the compile going?
[04:05] <Jucato> apokryphos: I read most of the related research literature on that. iirc kickoff wasn't able to completely address all the usability issues. can't be specific.. that was months ago..
[04:05] <Jucato> anyway...
[04:06] <apokryphos> Riddell: what about http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kickoff-qt+on++Kubuntu+7.04?content=55864 ?
[04:06] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: uploading to my repo :)
[04:06] <apokryphos> judging by the general quality of random rpms on appsy it's probably terrible, but ;)
[04:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: I don't see any source
[04:08] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: you can test
[04:08] <apokryphos> hrm, yeah. I'll ask
[04:09] <Tonio__> allee: you can test too
[04:11] <allee> Tonio_: what?  /me reads back
[04:11] <Tonio_> allee: you will find the bluetooth packages on my repo
[04:11] <Tonio_> allee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[04:12] <allee> Tonio_: k thx
[04:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do it later. gotta run. kids.
[05:06] <allee> Tonio_: no success with BT mighty mouse.  Still: 'failed to create input device for 'mighty mouse'
[05:07] <allee> Tonio_: dittoo for a w800i that happens to be around here somewhere ;)
[05:09] <Tonio_> allee: hum, that's pretty annoying :)
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya
[05:12] <allee> Tonio_: yes, no success with Microsoft BT mouse too :(
[05:25] <allee> Tonio_: hidd --search connects to the two mouses (with pin request for mighty mouse as expected)
[05:25] <Tonio_> allee: sucks :(
[05:26] <allee> Tonio_: this uncovered another bug:  paird hid are not listed by bkt input device dialog.  2 are listed with hidd --show. but dialog is empty
[05:28] <Tonio_> allee: :'(
[05:28] <allee> Tonio_: I'll ask upstream
[05:29] <Tonio_> k
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about the different kds profiles
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you change /etc/kderc to use another profile, you miss the all settings in default right ?
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see how is that possible to use both a specific profile and the default one in that priority order
[05:41] <allee> _StefanS_: fyi: I still had no success with 2 bt mouses (sudo hidd --search/show worked) with Tonio_ 705625 build
[05:41] <_StefanS_> allee: right, I think I know something more to it..
[05:41] <_StefanS_> allee: kinputwizard: libkbluetooth: getString(CreateDevice): Method "CreateDevice" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.input.Manager" doesn't exist
[05:42] <_StefanS_> I will debug some more later on..
[05:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ^
[05:47] <allee> Tonio_: in kdeblueooth pkging file somewhere accesible via bzr?   I assume it's time to combine svn checkout and debian/... checkout
[05:49] <Tonio_> allee: nope, not yet, I have to upload that to bzr
[05:51] <allee> Tonio_: k,  If I find time I try to merge to alioth
[05:51] <Tonio_> allee: oki :)
[05:51] <Tonio_> allee: when I have time, I'll put our packaging to svn
[05:51] <Tonio_> s/svn/bzr
[06:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's changed to use default and other one
[06:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that possible to use 2 profiles at the same time ?!
[06:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: well yes, we already use three (/etc/kde, /usr/share/k-d-s, ~/.kde/)
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was wondering if it was possible to do this :
[06:12] <Tonio_> ~/.kde > k-d-s/acessibility > k-d-s default > /etc/kde
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect no right ?
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: saw that commit today in kds : jr <jr@lichts>
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that you ?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it is
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: clearly you never had a shell on lichts, else you'd remember that.
[06:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what is lichts ?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: his machine
[06:22] <Hobbsee> well, probably sladen's, by the talk at UDS.
[06:22] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[07:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: of course, that's how we use the accessibility profiles
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it easy to add a user to a profile, we should create system groups
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's pretty easy to do, I just tested here
[07:15] <Tonio_> and then you set the profile to use for each group and that's it
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a reason we don't actually do that ?
[07:16] <Tonio_> adding groups is pretty easy with a postinst in kds
[07:16] <Tonio_> and then    it is just a matter of patching the /etc/kde-user-profiles file
[07:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing that way it would be super easy to document how to add user XXX to that accessibility profile, imho
[07:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: no particular reason why we don't do that
[07:49] <allee> sebas: ping
[07:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll pobably do that tomorrow then
[07:49] <Tonio_> make accessibility easy :)
[08:54] <ris> kwwii: re: new tribe kdm: please choose either blue-green or blue-purple. a mixture of the two is one of my pet hates.
[08:56] <Riddell> kdm is al blue (and black)
[09:01] <manchicken> does anybody else have kontact crapping all over them?
[09:03] <coreymon77> kwwii: isnt the term "pet peeves"?
[09:04] <kwwii> ris: not sure what you mean exactl
[09:04] <kwwii> coreymon77: yepp
[09:04] <ris> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kdm.png
[09:05] <ris> kwwii: 'frame' is blue-green
[09:05] <ris> kwwii: highlighted user is blue-purple
[09:05] <ris> kwwii: backdrop is sort of halfway between
[09:06] <kwwii> ris: looks like we need to apply the new colors scheme from the desktop to kdm as well
[09:06] <ris> kwwii: sounds lovely
[09:06] <kwwii> Riddell: we can fix that tomorrow
[09:06] <manchicken> kwwii: I've been using this default blue theme for a while now.  It's kinda nice.
[09:06] <kwwii> manchicken: good to hear you like it
[09:07] <manchicken> This is the first time I've actually used it, just wanted to let you know I like it.
[09:07] <kwwii> :-)
[09:07] <manchicken> I bought this 12.1" system76 guy.
[09:07] <manchicken> You did the GNOME theme, too, didn't you?
[09:08] <kwwii> manchicken: yepp
[09:08] <yuriy> manchicken: i just updated and restarted and yeah now kontact looks funky
[09:09] <manchicken> kwwii: That looks pretty good, too.
[09:09] <kwwii> man, am I good or what? :p
[09:09] <kwwii> time for a bath...bbl
[09:09] <manchicken> I had to look at the brown while I was installing kubuntu :)
[09:10] <yuriy> i'm getting "failed to create the input device" trying to set up my mouse with kbluetooth :-\
[09:11] <ris> kwwii: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=strigi.png - purple scrollbar, tab highlight, desktop pager highlight. other than that, pretty _damn_ nice.
[09:17] <kwwii> hrm, seems like we missed the new color scheme all together
[09:19] <manchicken> yuriy: I keep getting kmail/kontact crashes.
[09:24] <yuriy> oh, not that
[09:33] <manchicken> Is the basket problem still happening for you?
[09:39] <DaSkreech> He has a basket case?
[09:43] <aantipop> i thought dolphin would be the default file-manager in gutsy ??
[10:05] <manchicken> aantipop: That's a KDE4 thing, not a gutsy thing.
[10:06] <DaSkreech> So Innoculated Iguana?
[10:07] <manchicken> Man, kmail is sucking big time.
[10:07] <manchicken> Keeps crashing.
[10:08] <danimo> any chance for opensync 0.30 to get into kubuntu?
[10:10] <aantipop> manchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe3/Kubuntu#head-e8fe28fe1a575f398b528f8d9fa8f313977c2a66
[10:11] <Riddell> manchicken: there should be a new kontact in today
[10:11] <Riddell> manchicken: have you tried that?
[10:11] <Riddell> danimo: have you?
[10:11] <danimo> Riddell: my laptop is updating as we speak
[10:11] <allee> danimo: try apt-cache rdepends libopensync0    Is all depending software ready for 0.30?
[10:12] <allee> danimo: or is it ABI backwards compatible?
[10:12] <danimo> allee: how do I know? :)
[10:12] <danimo> should be
[10:12] <danimo> allee: but kitchensync from KDE 4 requires it
[10:12] <danimo> allee: so one should just give it a try
[10:13] <danimo> just checking back
[10:17] <danimo> allee: ok, 0.30 is not source compatible with 0.20
[10:17] <danimo> allee: so it needs an extra package I guess
[10:18] <doc_> hi there
[10:20] <manchicken> Riddell: That's the one I'm on.
[10:20] <danimo> allee: would you take care ? :)
[10:21] <Riddell> danimo: I'll ask the maintainer
[10:21] <Riddell> manchicken: can you get a backtrace?
[10:21] <manchicken> I'll see what I can do.
[10:21] <Riddell> manchicken: or do you have basket installed?
[10:21] <manchicken> I do.
[10:21] <manchicken> I don't think this one is basket-related.
[10:21] <sahin_w> manchicken: Not so long time ago, I've had problem with kmail too (in feisty).
[10:21] <manchicken> It's crashing even though I've got basket running separately.
[10:22] <sahin_w> manchicken: The problem caused by a corrupt mail folder.
[10:22] <sahin_w> In my case I created a copy about my mails
[10:22] <sahin_w> So I move these mails to another location and reimport them.
[10:22] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm updating kdelibs and kdelibs4, so we'll see if that'll help.
[10:22] <manchicken> I'm skeptical.
[10:22] <Riddell> manchicken: I suspect it is, try uninstalling basket
[10:22] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:22] <sahin_w> That did the trick for me.
[10:23] <sahin_w> Just an idea.
[10:23] <danimo> Riddell: works like a charm :)
[10:23] <manchicken> I've also got a weird problem with katapult.  I'll start typing and it'll drop off.  I think it's a focus thing.
[10:24] <Riddell> danimo: great
[10:24] <danimo> Riddell: and its got nice outlook-style features
[10:24] <danimo> like favourite folders
[10:25] <manchicken> Riddell: I don't really care for this "enterprise" branch much.
[10:25] <Riddell> manchicken: why not?
[10:25] <manchicken> It seems very unstable.
[10:25] <Riddell> danimo: that only seems useful if you have many many folders
[10:25] <manchicken> And I'm not happy to give up basket.  I use that program all the time.
[10:25] <danimo> Riddell: well, I do
[10:25] <Riddell> manchicken: do you use it integrated with kontact?
[10:25] <manchicken> Riddell: Yup.  I prefer it that way.
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Is basket maintained/
[10:25] <danimo> manchicken: you only have to give up integration, which is a stupid idea anyway
[10:26] <DaSkreech>  I know they have a team I havne't looked to see if htey are doing planning or code commits
[10:26] <manchicken> danimo: I disagree.  I'd rather give up knotes and keep basket.
[10:26] <Riddell> danimo: I believe it has a new maintainer (or so I heard)
[10:26] <danimo> Riddell: I think simly rebuilding basket against current pim would help
[10:26] <danimo> manchicken: sure, but basket is something where you drag things in
[10:26] <danimo> so it's not helpful to hide it inside kontact imho
[10:26] <danimo> esp. since it has no functional integration otherwise
[10:26] <Riddell> manchicken: able to try a recompile of basket?
[10:27] <manchicken> danimo: It's also where you can create hierarchical trees of notes.
[10:27] <DaSkreech> danimo: Sorry why is integration stupid?
[10:28] <manchicken> danimo: I use it for quick notes and stuff like that.
[10:28] <manchicken> Riddell: I could try one.  Do you have a src-deb?
[10:29] <Riddell> apt-get source ?
[10:30] <manchicken> Sure.... but isn't that the same code as the binary?
[10:30] <danimo> DaSkreech: because its primary semantics is to drag stuff in from everywhere
[10:31] <danimo> DaSkreech: having kontact as a second window manager for the sake of nothing makes no sense
[10:31] <Riddell> manchicken: yes
[10:32] <Riddell> manchicken:  < danimo> Riddell: I think simly rebuilding basket against current pim would help
[10:32] <danimo> the crash looks a lot like the interface changed sligtly for some reason
[10:33] <danimo> that shouldn't happen, but somehow it did, or the compiler was upgraded and that upgrade had glitches, no idea...
[10:33] <manchicken> Riddell: So is integration gone for good then?  That would kinda suck.
[10:34] <danimo> manchicken: no its not, its just broken :)
[10:34] <danimo> manchicken: that's why you were asked to recompile the source package locally
[10:35] <manchicken> Okay, good :)
[10:36] <manchicken> I understand some folks don't find it useful, but this program is the only thing that keeps stuff organized in my head.
[10:47] <sahin_w> manchicken: I've got good news for you.
[10:47] <sahin_w> manchicken: I've rebuilt the basket againt the kdepim enetrprise branch.
[10:47] <sahin_w> manchicken: The crash went away.
[10:48] <sahin_w> manchicken: Now I'm able to start up kontact without any crash.
[10:48] <sahin_w> manchicken: And basket is integrated. As you wish.
[10:49] <sahin_w> manchicken: Just try it yourslef.
[10:50] <Riddell> sahin_w: excellent
[10:51] <sahin_w> Riddell: So I think it's time to rebuild basket and upload the binary package to the gutsy repo.
[10:51] <sahin_w> I'm a big fun of basket too.
[10:52] <sahin_w> I hold my engineering notes inside basket.
[10:53] <sahin_w> And phone numbers too in case I would like to buy a pizza. ;-)
[10:56] <sahin_w> Riddell: Who will create a rebuilded basket package and who will upload it?
[10:56] <sahin_w> Riddell: Or it's time to create a launchpad entry?
[10:56] <Riddell> sahin_w: I'm just doing so
[10:57] <allee> damino: I'm currently busy with blueooth.  I don't know when I can find time
[10:57] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok, thanks!
[10:58] <allee> Riddell: what do you think is the priority of opensync 0.30 is for gusty?
[10:58] <sahin_w> Riddell: In this case I won't open a lauchpad entry. Because you take care. And basket is in good hands! ;-)
[10:59] <Riddell> allee: it's being discussed on #u-d
[12:25] <manchicken> Holy goodness, dude was right.
[12:25] <manchicken> Rebuilding it gets basket working just fine.
[12:26] <manchicken> That's fantastic.
[12:27] <manchicken> And now Adept is gonna cry about me running a from-source deb.
[12:27] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna boogy now.  I probably won't be on again for a few days.
[12:27] <manchicken> Later.