[01:16] <DanaG> Oh, I had to kill xfce-mcs-manager.
[01:19] <TerraMaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35322/ Please read and help me (details inside also see the post correction thing for easy readings)
[01:23] <scizzo-> ysth1: it seems that the only formel site is the one about the releases
[01:24] <scizzo-> ysth1: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[01:24] <scizzo-> ysth1: thats the one I tried to follow when using update-manager -d
[01:31] <cwillu> I'm having some difficulty with video;  the player crashes when I play any video (including the sample video loaded on the cd)
[01:32] <scizzo-> cwillu: do you get any error msg if you try to start the program from the terminal?
[01:32] <cwillu> one sec
[01:33] <cwillu> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[01:33] <cwillu> major opcode: 140 (XVideo), minor opcode 19 ()
[01:34] <crdlb> cwillu, using compiz?
[01:34] <cwillu> gutsy, I guess so
[01:34] <crdlb> what video card?
[01:34] <scizzo-> he means desctop effects
[01:34] <cwillu> lspci says Intel Corp Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML
[01:35] <crdlb> I've heard of that happening with Xv + intel + compiz
[01:35] <crdlb> you can use non-xv video if you want
[01:35] <cwillu> ya, it works if I turn effects off
[01:35] <crdlb> run gstreamer-properties
[01:36] <cwillu> sweet, any idea if it's fixable in general?
[01:37] <crdlb> well switching to X Window System (No Xv) "fixes" it
[01:37] <crdlb> but it's lower quality and uses more cpu
[01:37] <cwillu> aka, a workaround, not a fix
[01:38] <Arwen> what problem? the compiz xvideo failure?
[01:38] <cwillu> I guess so :p
[01:38] <Arwen> *shrug*, been that way for as long as I remember
[01:38] <Arwen> you can try OpenGL video if you want
[01:38] <scizzo-> is it source code problems in general?
[01:39] <junmin> hi.. somebody can get usb0 LAN work in gutsy??? please ... i plug my device with the laptop, but gutsy cannot detect the device which should be usb0
[01:39] <cwillu> didn't see opengl as an option in gstreamer-properties; something needs to be installed first?
[01:39] <Arwen> yeah, there's a gl plugin
[01:40] <Arwen> I recommend mplayer for what it's worth
[01:40] <ysth1> well, I updated the copy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28Tribe5%29 anyway
[01:40] <crdlb> !info gstreamer0.10-gl
[01:40] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-gl: GStreamer plugin for OpenGL output. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.5-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 36 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:40] <cwillu> I see it, thanks :)
[01:41] <Arwen> I would still go with MPlayer for video, way less headaches
[01:42] <cwillu> sorry, not sure I follow
[01:42] <cwillu> oh, different player
[01:42] <Arwen> !mplayer
[01:42] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[01:42] <Arwen> it's really nice. Doesn't address your problem, but it's really nice
[01:42] <cwillu> lol
[01:46] <Ramunas> why is udevd taking up 90% CPU?
[01:46] <Arwen> dunno, I think it's a known issue
[01:47] <scizzo-> Arwen: problem with mplayer I guess is the license of it
[01:47] <Ramunas> is it safe to kill it?
[01:47] <scizzo-> Arwen: or the code itself...
[01:47] <Arwen> Ramunas, NO
[01:48] <Ramunas> Arwen: its doing something important?
[01:49] <Arwen> udevd is responsible for the /dev/blah entries
[01:49] <Arwen> better to find a way to fix it
[01:50] <Arwen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/130818
[01:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130818 in udev "udevd causes high cpu-usage" [Undecided,New] 
[01:50] <Arwen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=535907
[01:52] <Ramunas> btw, when booting I'm getting tons of messages like this: device-mapper: table: 254:6: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[01:53] <Ramunas> is this normal?
[01:53] <cwillu> is there any way to force the x11 output to be higher quality?  the cpu usage is around 20%, but it's noticably blocky
[01:53] <Ramunas> nevermind, I just read the links
[01:54] <Arwen> cwillu, higher quality?
[01:54] <Arwen> looks fine here
[01:54] <Arwen> looks in fact BETTER than any other vo
[01:54] <Arwen> since it's all software
[01:55] <cwillu> just looks really blocky
[01:55] <cwillu> one sec
[01:55] <cwillu> let me make sure I'm not crazy
[01:56] <Arwen> oh wait, totem right? maybe totem is broken
[01:56] <cwillu> turning off effects and setting gstreamer-props back to autodetect looks way better
[01:57] <cwillu> vlc looks the same
[01:58] <scizzo-> cwillu: what happens when using normal compiz with --replace?
[01:58] <scizzo-> get the same result?
[01:58] <scizzo-> turning of the effects and then use compiz --replace...?
[01:58] <cwillu> I get the blockyness with unaccelerated x11 with compiz on or off;  not a compiz problem
[01:58] <cwillu> other than the fact that I can't use xv with compiz running :p
[01:59] <Arwen> file a bug. x11 should only be slow, not crappy
[02:00] <bur[n] er> totem and vlc just crash here if compiz is enabled.  i have to use metacity or mplayer if i want to watch videos
[02:00] <cwillu> sounds familiar
[02:00] <bur[n] er> cwillu: intel?
[02:00] <cwillu> yep
[02:01] <cwillu> mplayer works with compiz running?
[02:01] <bur[n] er> i think it's a known bug.  RAOF has told me about it many times and just says "use mplayer"
[02:01] <bur[n] er> yeah... albeit shittily
[02:01] <cwillu> i.e., slowly, or ugly too?
[02:01] <bur[n] er> the right click menu isn't worth a damn with compiz in mplayer, but it works
[02:01] <bur[n] er> you can at least watch stuff... and flash still works for the web :\
[02:01] <bur[n] er> but i still miss totem and vlc
[02:01] <Arwen> eh? back when I still used beryl, mplayer was able to play using xv even
[02:02] <Arwen> (and totem/vlc both kind of suck anyway, so...)
[02:02] <cwillu> vlc's gl seems to work, no luck even seeing the option installing the gstreamer-gl plugin though
[02:02] <Arwen> VLC GL just segfaults on me :-\
[02:02] <chrisjs169> is it possible (without using the terminal) to mount a samba share in a directory other than the Desktop?
[02:02] <Arwen> ATI ftl
[02:02] <bur[n] er> vlc's gl/
[02:02] <bur[n] er> ?
[02:02] <Arwen> yes, VLC has a opengl renderer
[02:02] <cwillu> preferences|video|output modules
[02:03] <cwillu> doesn't play well with other windows though, only useful for fullscreen or non-overlapping windows
[02:03] <cwillu> and I get pretty bad tearing
[02:04] <cwillu> well, visible tearing
[02:04] <Arwen> you can force vsync globally on to fix that
[02:04] <cwillu> ooo, gconf-editor, or what?
[02:04] <Arwen> xorg.conf more like
[02:06] <bur[n] er> ooh... gl mode on vlc makes the video work, but the whole top 1/3rd of my screen is hosed up where the desktop wallpaper used to be
[02:06] <cwillu> man xorg.conf intel and i810 don't have any hits for sync other than a couple monitor frequency settings
[02:07] <Arwen> cwillu, shame, guess it can't be done
[02:07] <cwillu> pageflip?
[02:09] <bur[n] er> hope it's before gutsy
[02:09] <cwillu> mplayer looks to be doing something useful, but I sure hate the lack of toolbar
[02:14] <chrisjs169> where are shares mounted when "Connect to Server" is used?
[02:15] <cwillu> mplayer has the same software rendering blockyness,
[02:15] <crdlb> chrisjs169, they're not
[02:15] <cwillu> or rather, it refuses to show it bigger than about 1/2 size
[02:16] <crdlb> that's why you can only use gnome-vfs-aware apps with them
[02:16] <chrisjs169> crdlb: ok, so if i wanted to have a samba share mounted in a directory, i'd have to use the Terminal?
[02:21] <bur[n] er> chrisjs169: or use fuse
[02:21] <bur[n] er> !fuse | chrisjs169
[02:21] <ubotu> chrisjs169: FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[02:21] <bur[n] er> !fusesmb | chrisjs169
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fusesmb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <DanaG> Or rather, it shows them but they're disabled.
[02:33] <cwillu> bur[n] er: still therE?
[02:35] <DanaG>  aumix:  SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
[02:35] <DanaG> Wow, that's a useful message.
[02:35] <bur[n] er> yo
[02:35] <bur[n] er> que paso?
[02:36] <cwillu> just trying something;  did you ever run across "LinearAlloc"?
[02:36] <bur[n] er> oh, mplayer isn't working either eh?  i'm not sure
[02:36] <bur[n] er> I haven't... that an xorg.conf option?
[02:37] <cwillu> mplayer doesn't work any better than vlc for opengl, and fixes the blocky software rendering by not allowing resizing from a fairly low resolution
[02:37] <cwillu> bah, it's only for i810, not intel
[02:38] <bur[n] er> i wish this little part of gutsy would go smoother, but other than that, I don't have any showstoppers
[02:39] <cwillu> ya, it's been running good for me so far
[02:48] <junmin> hi.. somebody can get usb0 LAN work in gutsy??? please ... i plug my device with the laptop, but gutsy cannot detect the device which should be usb0
[02:50] <FrankH> is anyone else having problems with flash and konqueror in gutsy?
[02:51] <Kill_X> junmin: what chipset is your usb device based on?
[02:52] <junmin> Kill_X, Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04f3:0210 Elan Microelectronics Corp.
[02:53] <cwillu> bur[n] er: what do you make of this?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8823695/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.1.1-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[02:53] <cwillu> bur[n] er: it looks like they thought they fixed something in the driver, but that's the current one in the repo's
[02:54] <Kill_X> junmin: that output does not help me in any way, please state your lan chipset manufacturer and model
[02:56] <junmin> Kill_X, mmm ... it's the Motorola A1200 Linux smartphone
[02:57] <Kill_X> so you're trying to get your mobile phone to work
[02:57] <junmin> Kill_X, i hope to telnet it now ..  one friend has SUSE, and can detect it as a network card when i plugged it into ..
[02:57] <cwillu> in the compiz keys in gconf editor, what's the name of the 'windows' key for an accelerator?
[02:58] <Toma-> 'Super'
[02:58] <Kill_X> junmin: how exactly do you "plug it in" ? USB connection? Bluetooth?
[02:58] <Toma-> but imho, its not that super.
[02:58] <junmin> Kill_X, usb connection
[02:59] <cwillu> Toma-: so <Super>tab should do want I want?  because it doesn't :p
[02:59] <cwillu> bah
[02:59] <cwillu> who made that tab case sensitive?
[03:00] <Kill_X> junmin: telnetting will most probably not work because the hardware is currently not supported at the moment.
[03:00] <bur[n] e1> junmin: doesn't it typically works as a modem?
[03:00] <bur[n] e1> junmin: you need a usb driver, your phone is not a router
[03:01] <bur[n] e1> i think, i could be wrong, i have a windows mobile phone
[03:01] <Kill_X> bur[n] er: that would habe been my next question ^^
[03:01] <Kill_X> -b +v
[03:02] <bur[n] e1> that said, i dual boot into windows if i'm ever on a road trip with only my cell phone and laptop and a usb cable
[03:03] <bur[n] e1> i'm not sure how bluetooth works with devices yet either.  I'm waiting on the mythical phone that does wifi, usb mass storage, 3.5 mm headphone jack, ota sync of contacts and calendar to exchange, imap email, and sync with evolution
[03:03] <bur[n] e1> s/exchange/exchange or zimbra
[03:03] <Kill_X> junmin: a little more info on what you're planning to do would be ver helpful to us to determine, what your problem actually is
[03:05] <Kill_X> speed stalling @ 100kb/s sucks way...
[03:06] <junmin> bur[n] e1, Kill_X , i flashed the OS of the phone, there is some options for USB setting. one is modem, and there is another is USB NET... as what i understand, i just need to set it to USB NET, and then gutsy should detect it as a network interface usb0, then what i have to now is to assign a static private ip address to this interface and start to telnet into it. that's what i want to do.
[03:08] <happyface_0> can anyone confirm to me if persistence is fixed in Gutsy tribe-5?
[03:08] <Kill_X> junmin: did that procedure work on previous ubuntu releases?
[03:09] <junmin> Kill_X, really dont know... but it works on a SUSE... automatically detects the interface
[03:10] <Kill_X> junmin: this is ubuntu, not SuSE. SuSE uses conderably modified kernels and modules.
[03:10] <Kill_X> *considerably
[03:11] <Jordan_U> junmin, What piece of hardware is this?
[03:11] <Kill_X> happyface_0: please be more specific?
[03:11] <junmin> Kill_X, i was google-ing ... and the result told me it works good with ubuntu
[03:12] <Kill_X> junmin: what release then?
[03:12] <junmin> Jordan_U, it's a smartphone.
[03:12] <junmin> Kill_X, feisty it should be
[03:12] <Jordan_U> junmin, Ethernet or Bluetooth?
[03:12] <junmin> Jordan_U, usb connection
[03:12] <happyface_0> persistence... it's commonly used with ubuntu on USB so you can save changes (to a casper-rw partition)... it was broken in feisty
[03:13] <Kill_X> junmin: well, are you at feisty or gutsy at the moment?
[03:13] <junmin> Kill_X, gutsy....
[03:13] <Kill_X> and it worked on feisty?
[03:14] <Jordan_U> Kill_X, No persistence was / is broken in Feisty
[03:14] <junmin> Kill_X, as the result of google... it should work on feisty ... i cannot have a try, i dont have feisty
[03:14] <Jordan_U> Kill_X, Nvm, cross conversation :)
[03:14] <Kill_X> happyface_0: sorry, I can't help you, although I've read about some casper improvements on gutsy...
[03:15] <happyface_0> ok, thanks anyway :(
[03:15] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, Why not test it yourself?
[03:16] <happyface_0> I'm sloowly downloading gutsy
[03:16] <happyface_0> if I find out, I'l add it to the wiki (since the wiki is outdated form tribe1)
[03:17] <Kill_X> junmin: you should try that one on feisty, gutsy is still highly experimental. (read topic)
[03:17] <happyface_0> It is currently unknown what is the problem with LiveCDPersistence and Gutsy Tribe 1, testers are needed to pinpoint the problem exactly. By reading the persistence problems with Feisty, I have guessed that Casper is at fault.
[03:17] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, I think it's now initramfs
[03:18] <Kill_X> happyface_0: Gutsy has reached Tribe 5 :o
[03:18] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, live-initramfs that is
[03:19] <happyface_0> I know, I quoted the wiki
[03:19] <junmin> Kill_X, http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39540 there is some suggestion to do .. but it just doesnt work for me.
[03:19] <cwillu> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447544
[03:19] <cwillu> gah
[03:19] <ubotu> Gnome bug 447544 in gst-plugins-base "[xvimagesink]  support compiz composited video plugin." [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix] 
[03:21] <Kill_X> junmin: as said, please try Feisty. Gutsy is highly experimental and there have been sincere changes in system base and drivers
[03:21] <junmin> Kill_X, ok.. thanks
[03:21] <happyface_0> thanks Jordan_U, now I'l have to find out how to get live-initramfs to work :S
[03:22] <Jordan_U> wontfix :(
[03:23] <Kill_X> gn8 folks
[03:23] <happyface_0> nn
[03:23] <Kill_X> *looking forward to another day hacking rt2x00* -.-
[03:25] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, I think it is the same procedure, you might need to change the label, I am not sure if it still looks for "casper-rw" considering it's not casper any more :)
[03:26] <happyface_0> exactly what I was thinking
[03:36] <happyface_0> hey Jordan_U
[03:36] <happyface_0>  At boot time it will look for a (read-only) media containing a "/live"
[03:36] <happyface_0>  directory where a root filesystems (often a compressed filesystem image like
[03:36] <happyface_0>  squashfs) is stored. If found, it will create a writable environment, using
[03:36] <happyface_0>  unionfs, for Debian like systems to boot from.
[03:36] <happyface_0> so I guess just any partition with /live
[03:36] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, Nice, I hate dealing with Disklabels :)
[03:37] <happyface_0> but I wonder what "squashfs" image file it looks for
[03:38] <dankh> great, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic updated, now I have sound , cool , love using ubuntu alphas :)
[03:39] <happyface_0> :D
[03:39] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, Wait... that /live is only for booting the liveCD, not for persistence
[03:40] <happyface_0> oh :(
[03:40] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, It's unionfs that does the persistence, not squashfs
[03:40] <happyface_0> so how do I do it?
[03:41] <rancidlm>  hey all, i have a dell inspron 1420 and the hardware support seems better on the beta of 7.10  is there a way to do a distribution update via the net ? (its currently running 7.04)
[03:43] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, I don't know
[03:45] <mattyv> anyone else not have tracker search in the deskbar anymore? Last I looked it was, not gone, still installed
[03:46] <mattyv> *now gone
[03:46] <RAOF> rancidlm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28tribe%29 - check out "upgrading from Feisty"
[03:47] <RAOF> mattyv: Deskbar API has been changed, and the tracker plugin hasn't been updated yet.
[03:48] <rancidlm> k thnx
[03:48] <mattyv> thanks RAOF, no problem but was interested
[03:53] <cwillu> !aclocal
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aclocal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <rancidlm> RAOF: thnx!
[03:56] <roe> any idea how I can figure out where my system load is coming from? my cpu is near idle and my HD isn't being thrashed, but I have an average over 2.0
[04:07] <DanaG> I wish Metacity had the compositing features that XFCE has.
[04:10] <RAOF> Or even kwin.
[04:10] <DanaG> Yeah.
[04:11] <DanaG> Though it's possible to use xfwm4, metacity comes back at next login.
[04:11] <DanaG> xfwm4 doesn't do "--replace".
[04:13] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, Looks like the label needs to be "live-rw"
[04:14] <DanaG> wtf?  The "hald" service is required but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this application, or contact your system administrator.
[04:14] <DanaG> Note: You need Linux kernel 2.6 for volume management to work.
[04:16] <DanaG> Oh, hald crashed for some reason.
[04:16] <DanaG> And yet I didn't get an offer to make a bug report.
[04:19] <roe> do I need and what is evms_activate?
[04:19] <DanaG> Oh, if I want to enable the compositing in debian/control for metacity, how do I now build the package?
[04:27] <scizzo-> people are still alive at this hour?
[04:28] <scizzo-> is anyone else but me having problems installing Tribe 5 from CD.....that the install hangs when Ubuntu logo comes up and then gives 1 beep then hangs at black screen continuing beeping all the time until you actually reboot....?
[04:31] <RAOF> DanaG: You'd want to either use debuild, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot.
[04:31] <RAOF> DanaG: And do you have libcm installed?
[04:32] <RAOF> DanaG: And it's essentially a less-well-tested and featureful compiz, right?
[04:32] <RAOF> DanaG: Still, interesting.  Go for it, and report back :)
[04:39] <DanaG> I see no "debuild"
[04:40] <DanaG> And I'm missing some build-deps.
[04:41] <cwillu> !linuxmce
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <DanaG> These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[04:43] <DanaG> wtf?  I'm running xfwm4.
[04:46] <ysth1>  DanaG: proof by assertion?
[04:48] <DanaG> Huh?  If that was a joke, I missed it ... I was paying attention to other things,
[04:48] <DanaG> .
[04:49] <ysth1> DanaG: This guy (gal?) keeps saying settings can't work with current window manager.
[04:49] <DanaG> Guy.
[04:50] <RAOF> DanaG: debuild would be in devscripts, and unless you've picked up libcm-dev from somewhere you will indeed be missing build-deps.
[04:50] <Jordan_U> ysth1, You do know that proof by blatant assertion is the only truly valid proof don't you ?
[04:51] <ysth1> yes.
[04:51] <ysth1> yes.
[04:51] <ysth1> maybe.
[04:51] <ysth1> I can't remember who did it, but it wasn't the president or vice-president
[04:52] <ysth1> and I take full responsibility.
[04:56] <DanaG> metacity --replace           <newline>  depth: 16  <newline>
[04:56] <DanaG> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Using INDIRECT rendering because LIBCM_DIRECT is not defined
[04:56] <DanaG> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Using non-TFP rendering because LIBCM_TFP is not defined
[04:56] <DanaG> And then I get a bunch of big empty boxes.  Oh joy.
[04:56] <DanaG> So that's why it's disabled.
[04:56] <DanaG> It simply doesn't work.
[04:58] <Endler> I'd like to test gutsy, but I can't because there was a bug introduced in kernel 2.6.22 that makes it not work with HTP374 controllers.  The bug was fixed in 2.6.23, but apparently ubuntu has not backported the fix, because Tribe 5 is not seeing my drives.
[04:58] <Endler> Anyone know if this is being worked on, or if a 2.6.23 kernel is available?
[05:00] <Endler> I am referring to kernel bug #8791.
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8791 in pcmcia-cs "pcmcia locks upon install process (dup-of: 9472)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8791
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9472 in linux-source-2.6.15 "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK should be enabled" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9472
[05:00] <happyface_0> Jordan_U, where did you find that it needs to be live-rw?
[05:01] <Endler> I'm talking about Linux kernel bug #8791, not ubuntu bug #8791 :)
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8791 in pcmcia-cs "pcmcia locks upon install process (dup-of: 9472)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8791
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9472 in linux-source-2.6.15 "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK should be enabled" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9472
[05:02] <ryanakca> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[05:02] <ryanakca> kernel?
[05:02] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, I don't remember now, it was some Debian mailing list
[05:02] <happyface_0> ah
[05:03] <happyface_0> I'm about ready to put Gutsy on my usb
[05:03] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg01550.html
[05:03] <happyface_0> thx
[05:04] <Jordan_U> happyface_0, Also, you don't need to have Ubuntu on the usb drive, you can also use persistence from the liveCD with the thumb drive plugged in
[05:05] <happyface_0> ah yea
[05:05] <happyface_0> that would load faster... but having the usb drive only is just too portable
[05:05] <hrp2171> im downloading the iso for the alpha. could it be mounted and used to upgrade 7.04?
[05:06] <hrp2171> i would like to do it without having to waste a CD.
[05:06] <RAOF> hrp2171: As long as it's the alternate CD, yes.
[05:07] <RAOF> hrp2171: Oh, in that case just use update-manager.
[05:07] <RAOF> No CD image required.
[05:07] <hrp2171> well, running gksudo "update-manager -c -d" yields no results.
[05:07] <hrp2171> i get the dreaded cannot initiate dbus msg
[05:08] <hrp2171> then update-manager opens and nothing happens
[05:08] <hrp2171> which i saw somewhere on the net that lots of people are getting the same msg
[05:09] <DanaG> Run without gksudo.
[05:09] <hrp2171> hence, imdownloading the iso and hoping to upgrade from there
[05:09] <hrp2171> same results with sudo
[05:10] <bigboy> hrp2171: update-manager bug.  first do "sudo touch -t 200701010000 /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release"
[05:10] <bigboy> then update-manager -d
[05:11] <hrp2171> omg, thank you so much bigboy
[05:12] <hrp2171> bbl later after the upgrade
[05:12] <hrp2171> i mustve been searching all over the net and forums and nothing about that workaround came up.
[05:12] <bigboy> you're welcome
[05:12] <hrp2171> awesome
[05:12] <bigboy> I just figured it out today
[05:17] <DanaG> Is there a nice way to open the gnome launch-box (alt-f2) via command line?
[05:23] <DanaG> http://linux.seindal.dk/2004/09/24/sawfish-and-the-gnome-run-application-dialog/'
[05:24] <DanaG> Yay.
[05:40] <DanaG>  ooOOooh: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi          [Debian GNU/Linux device driver check page]    Just paste the output of 'lspci -n' into it.
[05:45] <Ryo> Okay, I have a small issue.  I just got Ubuntu Studio for Gutsy, and everything works, save for the theming on the windows and on the panel
[05:45] <Ryo> It just ends up being solid black.  Anyone know why this might happen?
[05:49] <Ryo> Anyone at all with any clue on this?
[05:51] <troxor> Ryo: the infamous black window bug?
[05:51] <Ryo> Yeah
[05:51] <Ryo> Any fix?
[05:52] <Ryo> Because from the screenshots I've seen, they're not supposed to be THIS black...
[05:56] <DanaG> Heh, don't you love sites that pop up in Google results saying this:
[05:57] <DanaG> Some site:  We were unable to find results for your search term SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM BLAH BLAH YADDA YADDA
[05:57] <Ryo> ah the fun of miserably bad attempts at marketing
[05:58] <Ryo> well, I suppose I'll use blubuntu while I wait for the Ubuntu Studio theme to love me.  I have to get sleep.
[05:59] <DanaG> And by "SPAM SPAM SPAM", I mean a bunch of variants of what you were searching for, anyway.
[06:04] <happyface_0> Jordan_U, the initramfs is too confusing
[06:04] <happyface_0> plus the gutsy has a casper/ dir in it so I'm gonna try casper-rw
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Ok, I may be wrong, I know that Debian replaced casper, but Ubuntu might not have yet
[06:05] <happyface_0> whoa
[06:05] <happyface_0> I got something here
[06:05] <happyface_0> I booted it up again from USB and it halted
[06:06] <happyface_0> (initramfs)
[06:06] <snadge> wtf is wrong with gFTP.. what a brain damaged piece of excrement of a program.. can anyone recommend something like gftp, but doesnt suck?
[06:06] <happyface_0> its like an initramfs cmd line
[06:06] <DanaG> gnome-vfs.
[06:06] <DanaG> Try the "connect to server" thingy in Gnome.
[06:06] <DanaG> Then you can use Nautilus.
[06:07] <snadge> needs to be able to chmod, support recursive transfers etc
[06:07] <snadge> is nautilus up to the task?
[06:08] <happyface_0> I think initramfs wants me to show it an image or something
[06:09] <happyface_0> which I don't have
[06:25] <rikai> that doesnt seem right
[06:25] <happyface_0> what doesn't
[06:25] <rikai> gnome-nettool and traceroute uninstall each other. So if you want traceroute, you've got to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. :/
[06:26] <happyface_0> :S
[06:28] <ysth1> rikai: I think that's cause traceroute is out of date and conflicts with modern versions of other stuff
[06:28] <ysth1> try traceroute-nanog (sp?) instead
[06:29] <rikai> ahhh, i see.
[06:30] <rikai> shouldnt traceroute be made into a virtual package to install traceroute-nanog then?
[06:32] <rikai> traceroute google.com
[06:32] <rikai> traceroute: icmp socket: Operation not permitted
[06:32] <rikai> ...i need sudo to run traceroute now? O.o
[06:34] <ysth1> rikai: for traceroute-nanog, sadly, yes
[06:35] <rikai> thats silly.
[06:35] <rikai> And this is supposed to be what makes traceroute out of date? how exactly is tracerotue out of date? :/
[06:39] <ysth1> it conflicts with ubuntu-desktop :)
[06:40] <ysth1> I dunno the details, sorry
[06:42] <defendguin> i'm having a few problems with some gst based programs both totem, gst-properties, and cheese crash with the same error
[06:42] <defendguin> using gutsy of course
[06:44] <ameyer> Pici: I wanted to say I'm sorry for my stupidity earlier
[06:45] <ameyer> and now back to your regularly scheduled gutsy discussion
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[06:48] (ameyer/#ubuntu+1) not that it matters, I'm probably on /ignore
[06:48] (ysth1/#ubuntu+1) I suspect traceroute doesn't actually conflict with iputils-tracepath
[06:49] (ameyer/#ubuntu+1) shrug
[06:49] (ameyer/#ubuntu+1) someone should file a bug to see what the official explaination is
[06:50] <ameyer> since it's been broken for weeks
[06:53] <ameyer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iputils/+bugs and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/traceroute/+bugs don't show any actual bugs relevant to this issue I don't think
[06:53] <ameyer> actually, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/traceroute/+bug/134346
[06:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134346 in traceroute "Please sync traceroute (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:53] <ameyer> title probably needs a little bit of work
[06:54] <ameyer> something like "Traceroute is uninstallable, please sync from Debian unstable" might be more appropriate
[06:55] <ameyer> but what do I know, I'm actually semi-seriously considering switching to Debian
[06:55] <ameyer> although less than I was a couple hours ago
[06:58] <ameyer> mmm, dead
[06:59] <hrp2171> yeah baby!  running tribe 5 now!
[07:00] <hrp2171> screen and graphics kicks arse
[07:01] <ameyer> !ohmy > ameyer
[07:01] <ameyer> heh
[07:03] <hrp2171> i wish that i had saved that command bigboy shared with me
[07:04] <hrp2171> i wonder if it's still my terminal history
[07:04] <DanaG> (08:10:11 PM) bigboy: hrp2171: update-manager bug.  first do "sudo touch -t 200701010000 /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release"
[07:04] <DanaG> Yay for logging and searching in Pidgin.
[07:04] <ysth1> I put it on the Tribe5 page on the wiki, and as a comment to the open update-manager bug
[07:04] <hrp2171> thanks, i also ran history in terminal and it was still there.  even after the upgrade
[07:05] <ysth1> funny, I meant 1970, not 2007, but either works
[07:06] <Raystlin_FM> anyone having issues with kontact (kdepim) crashing on launch? it happened with one of the updates in the last 2 days
[07:10] <hrp2171> i just updated my thread on LQ-Ubuntu with the command.  many thanks ysth1 .
[07:30] <dfgas> hmmm, runs good
[07:31] <dfgas> i just wish i knew why when i enable the first 200gig harddrive that i have that 7.04 and 7.10 do a kernel panic
[07:36] <cdm10> Isn't Gutsy supposed to have a PDF printer enabled by default?
[07:36] <cdm10> Right now, you can add it, but it's not added by default.
[08:00] <cwillu> anyone with any first-hand experience getting vista refunds from acer?
[08:26] <jscinoz> How can i make network-manager not ask for my keyring password on login in gutsy, the method i used in feisty doesnt work.
[08:28] <DanaG> !info libpam-gnome-keyring
[08:29] <ubotu> libpam-gnome-keyring: GNOME keyring services PAM module. In component main, is optional. Version 2.19.91-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 36 kB, installed size 100 kB
[08:37] <cwillu> hmm
[08:38] <cwillu> it seems like I get download hangs once in a while, where apt will stop downloading until I bump the mouse (the screen saver _hasn't_ kicked in however)
[08:38] <jscinoz> Gutsy is due out oct 17 right?
[08:38] <DanaG> bug 13235
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13235 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper should go to contrib" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13235
[08:39] <DanaG> Launchpad home page is missing a "jump to specific bug number" entry.
[08:39] <DanaG> argh, and I entered the wrong number.
[08:46] <snadge> bug 12345
[08:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[08:46] <snadge> 12345.. what kind of an idiot would use that as a combination!?
[08:46] <snadge> hehe
[08:52] <happyface_0> bug 1
[08:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:52] <happyface_0> ROFL
[08:54] <DanaG> bug 0
[08:54] <DanaG> Error: Launchpad bug 0 could not be found
[08:54] <happyface_0> :(
[08:54] <happyface_0> bug 2
[08:54] <DanaG> Dang, they should put something funny on zero.
[08:55] <happyface_0> meh, 1 is alreaty hilarious
[08:57] <DanaG> Hmm, 3 through 9 are about Rosetta.
[08:59] <happyface_0> bug 3
[08:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3 in rosetta "Custom information for each translation team" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3
[09:51] <carbonfreeze> having an issue in kubuntu 7.10 tribe4+, anyone availble to test for duplication of issue?
[09:58] <arooni> hello friends
[09:58] <arooni> im having loads of trouble having eclipse not crash
[09:59] <arooni> any ideas on how to fix?
[09:59] <arooni> i.e. eclipse is crashing too much
[10:00] <scizzo-> arooni: try running it in a terminal and see if you get any error msg from the program
[10:01] <Hobbsee> arooni: the gutsy version and feisty versions will differ - you've been warned about asking feisty questions in here before
[10:02] <scizzo-> I would like to get some help to comfirm something that I might consider a bit of a bug when it comes to dekstop effects in gutsy if anyone feels up for trying?
[10:03] <scizzo-> need to confirm with another person running compiz from apt-get to be able to tell if its my system or the program itself that is doing something crazy
[10:04] <arooni> Hobbsee, well i'm talking specifically about gutsy
[10:04] <arooni> Hobbsee, i made a mistake with the feisty question earlire
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:04] <arooni> i'll try to keep it just to gutsy
[10:05] <arooni> its challenging becuase i have a desktop running feisty and my t61 laptop running gutsy
[10:05] <Hobbsee> heh.  then keep 2 channels open :)
[10:05] <ameyer> it happens...
[10:05] <arooni> already there Hobbsee  ;p
[10:05] <Hobbsee> arooni: exactly
[10:06] <arooni> Could not create /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension. Please run as root:
[10:06] <arooni> is that a problem?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> er, s/desktop/laptop/
[10:06] <Hobbsee> arooni: where did you get eclipse from?
[10:06] <arooni>  Hobbsee sudo apt-get
[10:06] <ameyer> sounds like it may be a bug...
[10:07] <Hobbsee> arooni: if you run it with sudo, does the problem go away?
[10:07] <arooni> Hobbsee, yeah i ran it as sudo once and pro blm went away
[10:07] <Hobbsee> ameyer: a bug?  i dont think so.  although i'm not sure why it wants to add files to there.
[10:07] <Hobbsee> arooni: there's your solution then.
[10:08] <arooni> man this is weird; my vim plugin works in .rb files but not in rhtml files
[10:08] <arooni> where it does work just fine on feisty
[10:08] <Hobbsee> do you have vim-full installed on both systems?
[10:08] <ameyer> well, Linux software mostly shouldn't need root...
[10:08] <arooni> Hobbsee, yes;
[10:09] <arooni> but im having eclipse crash all over the place
[10:09] <arooni> even after running it once as sudo
[10:09] <arooni> should i pastie errors?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> arooni: check if it's in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse
[10:09] <ameyer> that file should be created by the package IMO
[10:09] <Hobbsee> ameyer: then it's not a bug.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> ameyer: er, i think.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> either way, ubuntu doesnt touch it, so you'll want to file bugs ind ebian, i expect.
[10:10] <arooni> Hobbsee, there are no gutsy bugs there really
[10:10] <Hobbsee> arooni: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/81900
[10:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81900 in eclipse ""Could not create /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension" on startup" [Undecided,New] 
[10:10] <ameyer> so, the flash player version that didn't actually install flash isn't a bug?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> arooni: what gives you that idea?
[10:10] <arooni> Hobbsee, just a glance
[10:12] <Hobbsee> arooni: most dont actually mention which release they're running.  that doesnt mean they'r enot there
[10:12] <Hobbsee> regardless, no on in ubuntu touches eclipse (much), so those are likely to get ignored.
[10:13] <arooni> damn
[10:13] <arooni> are u sure
[10:13] <arooni> no ubuntu users use eclipse?
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134116 in flashplugin-nonfree "Konqueror is frozen browsing some pages as youtube" [Undecided,New] 
[10:14] <Hobbsee> arooni: oh, plenty of users do, but until one of them steps up and actually fixes it...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> arooni: there are other torrent apps, which tend to crash less
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ameyer: does that happen with klash?
[10:14] <ameyer> klash?
[10:15] <ameyer> eclipse is an IDE, I think
[10:15] <Hobbsee> coNP: oh damn, i thought it was.
[10:15] <coNP> !info eclipse
[10:15] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.2-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 124 kB, installed size 412 kB
[10:15] <Hobbsee> that info is out of date
[10:15] <Hobbsee> ameyer: gnash.  i think klash is the kde plugin for it.
[10:16] <coNP> Hobbsee: no. But there is azureus that uses the Eclipse Tool Platform
[10:16] <coNP> The info is outdated, but the short decription is still valid I guess :)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> true
[10:16] <ameyer> Hobbsee: no idea, but gnash... how can I put this appropriately... works about as well as GNU/HURD
[10:16] <Hobbsee> was meaning the version
[10:17] <Hobbsee> ameyer: then you're stuck.  no one here can fix flash-nonfree, obviously.
[10:17] <ameyer> at least it hasn't been under development for like 20 years...
[10:17] <ameyer> how do we know it isn't konqueror being lame?
[10:18] <_4strO> hi there
[10:18] <Hobbsee> ameyer: does it crash with firefox?
[10:18] <ameyer> works fine, but it seems to me that any plugin freezes konqueror
[10:19] <Hobbsee> there's already a bug on that
[10:19] <Hobbsee> iir
[10:19] <Hobbsee> c
[10:20] <ameyer> semi-similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/66573
[10:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66573 in kdebase "nspluginviewer hangs up whole X server" [High,Confirmed] 
[10:20] <ameyer> except it doesn't hang the entire X server
[10:22] <Hobbsee> yay, bugs
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:23] <jussi01> how are things Hobbsee?
[10:23] <ameyer> honestly, I don't know why I bother with Konqueror
[10:23] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i'm tired, and ignoring all the bugs.
[10:23] <ameyer> call me when it quits without an "OMG SIGSEV" dialog box
[10:24] <ameyer> here we go... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/131891
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131891 in kdebase "flash player freeze in konqueror" [Undecided,New] 
[10:25] <ameyer> I'd be shocked if it was fixed before Gutsy+3
[10:26] <ameyer> like, apparently there's a bug from like hoary I'm experiencing
[10:26] <Hobbsee> well, kde4 hopefully will fix it.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ameyer: feel free to help out.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ameyer: in fixing, sending upstream, etc.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> there are probably easily a thousand bugs in kde on launchpad at hte moment.
[10:29] <ameyer> well, this is just slow USB MSC, don't know if it was ever officially reported as a bug
[10:30] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[10:33] <Hobbsee> yes, there's a reason that a program is otu fo the repositories.  filing me a bug that says it's not there is quite pointless.
[10:37] <jussi01> lol
[10:38] <jussi01> so now we have the longpointy stick and the wontfix stick...
[10:38] <Hobbsee> jussi01: please help out on that list if you have time.
[10:39] <jussi01> Hobbsee: sure, my boss is in meetings and I have not much else to do ;)
[10:39] <jussi01> cripes, where do I start...
[10:40] <Hobbsee> pick a package on that list
[10:40] <ameyer> the USB bug I'm complaining about might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/19982
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 19982 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Low performance on usb-media and DVD-RAM in sync mode" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:41] <ameyer> seems to date back to at least breezy
[10:42] <Hobbsee> wouldnt surprise me.
[10:43] <ameyer> might also be the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/105232
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105232 in hal "Kodak USB connection stalls" [Low,Triaged] 
[10:44] <ameyer> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/120517 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/104241
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104241 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty]  default sync mount of external usb is *slow*, how to reverse?" [Undecided,New] 
[10:45] <ameyer> I suspect these are all the same bug?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> i'd guess so
[10:46] <ameyer> with the possible exception of the USB->USB transfer bug
[10:46] <jussi01> Hobbsee: we could close this one, no? bug 115075
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115075 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager source doesn't compile" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115075
[10:46] <ameyer> that may just be unfortunate expected behavior
[10:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i think so
[10:47] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ok, Ill do it then :)
[10:48] <ameyer> I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/117418 was fixed upstream in 2.2.1
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117418 in ktorrent "ktorrent crashes with SIGSEGV when deleting downloaded torrent + data" [Undecided,New] 
[10:48] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I think you have to close it... it wont let me, or should I assign it to me then close?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you cant close bugs?  are you not in QA?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ameyer: is 2.2.1 in gutsy?
[10:49] <ameyer> I think so
[10:49] <jussi01> Hobbsee: QA? dont think so...
[10:49] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you want to look at joining ubuntu-qa - although you should be able to close bugs anyway
[10:49] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you're hitting the drop down arrow next to "new" there?
[10:50] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah and it gives: You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of knetworkmanager (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they didnt put in status control, i thought.
[10:50] <ameyer> Hobbsee: yeah, gutsy has 2.2.1-0ubuntu3
[10:50] <Hobbsee> ameyer: then you can mark it as fix released.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> and comment on the bug
[10:51] <ameyer> I don't even have a launchpad account...
[10:51] <Hobbsee> although, if permissions are mangled on the bug, it'd be good if you could comment saying that, then i'll close it.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ameyer: you're running gutsy.  why not?
[10:51] <ameyer> umm...
[10:52] <Hobbsee> how do you expect to be useful and report bugs without one?
[10:52] <ameyer> I'm registering right now...
[10:54] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you were trying to change importance?
[10:54] <jussi01> Hobbsee: no, Im on the work computer and it didnt autologin like at home.... :S
[10:55] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ahhh....
[10:55] <Hobbsee> that'll do it
[10:58] <jussi01> Hobbsee: bug 119818 they just need to use the wpa supplicant right??
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119818 in knetworkmanager "wpa does not work with networkmanager, WEP works" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119818
[10:59] <Hobbsee> jussi01: knm calls wpasupplicant.
[10:59] <Hobbsee> jussi01: it should "just work"
[11:00] <jussi01> Hobbsee: oh, ok then. gah, Im not being very helpful am i...
[11:00] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sure you are
[11:01] <Hobbsee> jussi01: a lot of those are the fault of the network mangler, so most of them wont be able to be fixed.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> jussi01: perhaps the most useful thing to do there is check for dupes, mark a whole bunch as incomplete, and go thru and set importances
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ie, "do you have this problem in gutsy, there's been a major upgrade of network manager in feisty and above"
[11:02] <jussi01> ahh, ok then :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> i wonder if the big ooo bug is actually fixed.
[11:02] <Hobbsee> ooh, look, it is!
[11:03] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:06] <ameyer> wow, it's late
[11:06] <ameyer> I just read kdeadmin as k dead min
[11:06] <Hobbsee> jussi01: bughelper may be helpful
[11:06] <Hobbsee> eep, arts bugs look nasty
[11:06] <jussi01> Hobbsee: bug helper?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> jussi01: for the backtraces
[11:07] <jussi01> Hobbsee: iirc bug 128769 has been fixed correct?
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128769 in knetworkmanager "[gutsy] knetworkmanager cannot be updated by apt because of the new naming convention" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128769
[11:08] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ah, yep, that's fixed.  marked as such, as i had the console outptu there.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> jussi01: although it should probably conflict and replace as well, maybe
[11:09] <ameyer> umm, wtf? "Ubuntu Breezy 6.10" + automatix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/77059
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77059 in kaffeine "MP3 Support is Broken In Feisty" [Undecided,New] 
[11:09] <jussi01> gah, Hobbsee stop it. I need lp karma also... :P
[11:09] <jussi01> ameyer: mark it as wont fix... :P
[11:09] <jussi01> lol
[11:09] <Hobbsee> ameyer: WONTFIX it.  definetly
[11:10] <coNP> Oh, Hobbsee gets enough when she triages Gnome bugs ("use KDE instead")
[11:10] <jussi01> lol
[11:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:11] <Hobbsee> ameyer: that's a dupe, actually
[11:11] <Hobbsee> ameyer: happens without using automatix too
[11:11] <Hobbsee> you can probably close it as a dupe, though.
[11:13] <jussi01> ameyer: click the status up the top
[11:14] <jussi01> its got like a little drop down thingy
[11:14] <ameyer> ok, now what?
[11:15] <ameyer> do I have to assign it to myself or something?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> no
[11:16] <jussi01> no, wait, its a dupe? click mark as duplicate on the left
[11:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i dont remember the number of what it's a dupe of though
[11:16] <Hobbsee> i think it's on the beta list
[11:16] <jussi01> Hobbsee: where do i find the qa thingy
[11:16] <Hobbsee> !qa
[11:16] <ubotu> To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[11:17] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ty
[11:18] <Hobbsee> woot!  20 bugs gone.
[11:19] <Hobbsee> what is it?
[11:20] <jussi01> in ark, when you go to extract it comes up with the last path, not the path to the folder where the archive is
[11:20] <jussi01> very annoying
[11:21] <jussi01> but quite low on a bug importance list
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:22] <Hobbsee> file it upstream, not in launchpad.
[11:22] <jussi01> oh, ok. :)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> hooray, down to 16
[11:27] <Hobbsee> from
[11:27] <Hobbsee> 39
[11:27] <jussi01> gah, got to run, back in a bit to help....
[11:27] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  it looks like arts is completely unmaintained. good thing it wont be used in kde4.
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> everythin audio depend on phonon,
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> and phonon will have some backends
[11:29] <ameyer> the whole kde3/kde4 thing seems to be a huge mess to me
[11:29] <Hobbsee> pvandewyngaerde: true, but it wont be arts, thank goodness.
[11:30] <ameyer> KDE4 looks to be fairly immature/unstable/unusable, and kde3 is becoming unmaintained immediately after kde4's release
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ameyer: it's not looking too bad, actually
[11:31] <Hobbsee> way cool.  cut the bugs by 2/3rds.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ameyer: and they're focusing on kde4, then presumably will do a bugfix release of kde3
[11:32] <Hobbsee> although the architecture changes so much
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> by 2010 KDE4 will be in an LTS version, i cant wait
[11:32] <Hobbsee> oh?  who'd you anger?
[11:32] <Hobbsee> pvandewyngaerde: yeah, that'll be fun :)
[11:32] <ameyer> Hobbsee: Pici
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> 2008 to soon, bummer
[11:33] <ameyer> it was total stupidity on my part in offtopic
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:34] <ameyer> I believe my exact words were "Die in a fire" after he/she had already kicked me
[11:34] <Hobbsee> how useful.
[11:34] <ameyer> indeed
[11:35] <ameyer> if by useful you mean useless
[11:36] <Hobbsee> yes.
[11:36] <ameyer> I'm somewhat surprised I wasn't banned from #ubuntu*
[11:37] <Hobbsee> probably because pici doesnt have ops in #ubuntu yet
[11:37] <ameyer> that might explain things
[11:40] <ameyer> well, I don't really have any objection to anyone with ops doing whatever they feel is appropriate
[11:40] <ameyer> not that you need my permission
[11:46] <ameyer> well, I probably should be going,,,
[11:53] <mikl> one of my pet hates about Ubuntu is that it is more or less impossible to find the images for Ubuntu+1 :(
[11:54] <pvandewyngaerde> what do you mean mikl ?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> mikl: is that an entirely bad thing?
[11:54] <mikl> Hobbsee: well, I don't think it should be impossible to find, just difficult :)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> mikl: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:55] <pvandewyngaerde> do you mean screenshots ?
[11:55] <mikl> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/developerzone would be an obvious place to have a link :)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> pvandewyngaerde: cd images
[11:55] <Hobbsee> mikl: the links keep changing, though
[11:56] <pvandewyngaerde> i downloaded tribe 1, and kept updating, i hope this gives the same result
[11:56] <ameyer> pvandewyngaerde: it should
[11:56] <jsomers> a tribe is just a snapshot of a current state
[11:56] <mikl> I usually reinstall when the final comes, but not before :)
[11:56] <Hobbsee> pvandewyngaerde: it does
[11:57] <ameyer> if it doesn't, you've got bug
[11:57] <jsomers> I've been updating from a dapper install
[11:57] <jsomers> up to edgy, feisty and gutsy
[11:57] <ameyer> honestly, with almost anything computers "it does" really means "it should"
[11:57] <jsomers> and I don't seem to be missing anything :)
[11:58] <pvandewyngaerde> http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-completely-transparent-shell-on.html < digg it
[12:05] <cwillu> granted that if you upgrade all the way from dapper, you're going to get every workaround along the way
[12:11] <pvandewyngaerde> currently i have very slow unplayable gnome-games
[12:12] <pvandewyngaerde> can i benchmark this ?? check what is wrong ?
[12:13] <FrankDTW> Is Flashplayer working under Type5?
[12:14] <pvandewyngaerde> tribe 5 ?
[12:14] <pvandewyngaerde> it works here
[12:16] <FrankDTW> Thank you.
[12:21] <Jared-Moore> hi guys, i'm having some problems doing development work on gutsy
[12:22] <Jared-Moore> when i do "apt-get source gucharmap", "./configure", "make" i get a weird make error
[12:22] <Jared-Moore> "Makefile:107: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop."
[12:22] <Jared-Moore> the same thing happens for anjuta, both from the ubuntu repos and gnome svn
[12:23] <Jared-Moore> i've done "sudo apt-get build-dep gucharmap", and added all the dev libraries i can find, installed all the autotools packages that i can find, etc
[12:26] <Jared-Moore> same thing happens for building alacarte
[12:28] <Jared-Moore> compiling pidgin works though, so it might be a gnome thing
[12:38] <Jared-Moore> ok no ideas? or nobody there? :/
[12:58] <snadge> jussi01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[12:58] <jussi01> snadge: ?
[12:59] <snadge> oops.. i dont know how jussi got in front of that lol
[12:59] <jussi01> hehe
[12:59] <snadge> but anyway, that card/chipset is a festy piece of poo
[01:00] <snadge> feisty does not support it.. at all (in any 3d accelerated capacity)
[01:00] <snadge> neither fglrx, or radeon driver works
[01:00] <snadge> however, fglrx driver did work in edgy
[01:00] <aimaz> I have a 9250 and it works
[01:00] <snadge> now the problem is.. i cant easily revert to edgy
[01:00] <snadge> however i could theoretically update it to gutsy ;)
[01:01] <jussi01> snadge: I also have the 9250 and its great. the 9200 should work with the opensource driver
[01:01] <snadge> radeon driver? i think it complains about something or rather
[01:02] <snadge> it uses shared system memory and doesnt have the specs for that.. or something like that
[01:02] <jussi01> snadge: it would help to know exactly the error
[01:02] <snadge> fglrx whinges that its too old
[01:02] <jussi01> snadge: it is
[01:02] <snadge> and to use the legacy driver.. legacy driver wont install because its hard coded to support edgy
[01:02] <snadge> i tried to force it with not much success
[01:02] <jussi01> the opensource driver is the correct driver for it
[01:03] <snadge> ok i will try the opensource driver.. (is this ati or radeon?)
[01:03] <aimaz> Section "Device"
[01:03] <aimaz>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] "
[01:03] <aimaz>         Driver          "ati"
[01:03] <aimaz>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[01:03] <aimaz> EndSection
[01:03] <aimaz> this one works fine for me
[01:03] <aimaz> I use beryl and it works smoothly
[01:03] <snadge> my mind is boggling.. i'll try it
[01:06] <snadge> ok, screen just goes white when i run beryl\
[01:06] <jussi01> snadge: I would suggest thats a setting issue, rather than the driver.
[01:06] <jussi01> try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[01:18] <tuxcrafte1>  how can i disable the new aiglx in gusty its causing errors on my system
[01:18] <cwillu> tuxcrafte1: aiglx, or the effects manager?
[01:18] <cwillu> (aiglx has been on by default for a couple releases now)
[01:19] <tuxcrafte1> cwillu: the aiglx driver in xorg
[01:19] <cwillu> did you run feisty or edgy before?
[01:19] <tuxcrafte1> xubuntu feisty
[01:19] <cwillu> it's disabled the same way as before
[01:19] <tuxcrafte1> i believe its disabled on xubuntu feistu
[01:19] <cwillu> no, it's been on by default for a while
[01:19] <tuxcrafte1> but on gusty its on by default
[01:19] <cwillu> but the compositing window manager is new
[01:20] <cwillu> no, that's something else :p
[01:20] <cwillu> appearance | desktop effects, set it to none
[01:20] <tuxcrafte1> I am running xubuntu
[01:21] <tuxcrafte1> how can i disable aiglx in the xorg file?
[01:21] <tuxcrafte1> or remove it from the system
[01:21] <tuxcrafte1> its conflicting with my video card driver
[01:21] <cwillu> Make a serverflags section in xorg.conf, and add Option "Aiglx" "False"
[01:22] <cwillu> but if it worked under feisty, I'd be surprised if that was the problem
[01:22] <cwillu> (xubuntu runs the same xserver)
[01:23] <cwillu> what issues are you seeing?
[01:23] <tuxcrafte1> cwillu: my openchrome driver does not support big textures
[01:23] <tuxcrafte1> (==) AIGLX enabled
[01:23] <tuxcrafte1> (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/unichrome_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/unichrome_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[01:23] <tuxcrafte1> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[01:24] <tuxcrafte1> i have successfully compiled and installed the driver like i do for years now
[01:25] <tuxcrafte1> i will also file the issue of on the openchrome devel list
[01:26] <tuxcrafte1> however aiglx is currently not supported bye the xorg driver
[01:26] <tuxcrafte1> but know its killing all 3D rendering support
[01:26] <tuxcrafte1> so i need to disable it
[01:45] <tatters> after updating to gutsy my webcam and TV card are failing due to error   "X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode" it seem there is a switch "-nodga" does anyone know if it possible to edit xorg.conf to include that switch so need to type ?
[02:02] <snadge> Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.
[02:05] <Wousser> hello, i upgraded from feisty to gutsy but now my system freezes after the ubunu loading bar, before gnome. What can I do?
[02:07] <jussi01> Wousser: run in verbose mode to see what the problem is
[02:08] <cwillu> did anything change in gutsy re: bitmapped fonts?  I've got a custom font that I need for an old dos package, and I can't get it to pick it up for the life of me
[02:09] <tuxcrafte1> how i found some possible issues
[02:09] <tuxcrafte1> the permissions on /dev/dri/card0 are wrong
[02:10] <tuxcrafte1> ls -hal  /dev/dri/card0
[02:10] <tuxcrafte1> should be crw-rw-rw-!!
[02:10] <tuxcrafte1> where do I report this bug?
[02:10] <tuxcrafte1> against what package
[02:10] <jussi01> !bug | tuxcrafte1
[02:11] <ubotu> tuxcrafte1: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:11] <jussi01> xorg i would imagine....
[02:11] <cwillu> what are the permissions actually set to?
[02:11] <Wousser> jussi01: I don't see any problem
[02:11] <tuxcrafte1> jussi01: yes i know how to fill bugs, but against which permissions
[02:12] <tuxcrafte1> cwillu: crw-rw----
[02:12] <Wousser> jussi01: i starts correctly and I get a command line, if i want to start gnome the system freezes and my screen goes black
[02:12] <jussi01> Wousser: what gfx card do you have?
[02:12] <Wousser> jussi01: ati 9800
[02:13] <jussi01> Wousser: you need to install the fglrx package then
[02:13] <jussi01> !ati
[02:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:13] <B_Man> good morning
[02:13] <saispo> it's possible to use the feisty kernel under gutsy ? suspend does not work with 2.6.22 :-/
[02:15] <coNP> saispo: I guess we have 2.6.20 kernels in gutsy as well
[02:16] <coNP> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic gutsy
[02:16] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic does not exist in gutsy
[02:16] <saispo> :/
[02:16] <coNP> No. Maybe only in my local package cache...
[02:16] <saispo> !info linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic gutsy
[02:16] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic does not exist in gutsy
[02:16] <saispo> grrr
[02:16] <saispo> coNP: yep but don't boot :/
[02:17] <saispo> i don't know why suspend don't work with this newest kernel, must inspected...
[02:18] <saispo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/119423
[02:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119423 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Suspend to RAM (Sleeping) not working on DELL Latitude D520" [Medium,Triaged] 
[02:18] <saispo> not fixed since i report...
[02:20] <cwillu> saispo: where does it break?
[02:22] <saispo> cwillu: i see on kern.log
[02:22] <saispo> Aug 28 12:35:03 venus kernel: [10907.072000]  ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL'
[02:22] <saispo> Aug 28 14:06:22 venus kernel: [10910.964000]  PM: Preparing system for mem sleep
[02:22] <saispo> Aug 28 14:06:22 venus kernel: [10910.964000]  Stopping tasks ... done.
[02:22] <saispo> Aug 28 14:06:22 venus kernel: [10918.900000]  Suspending console(s)
[02:22] <saispo> Aug 28 14:06:22 venus kernel: [10918.900000]  lmpcm_usb 4-1:1.0: no suspend for driver lmpcm_usb?
[02:22] <jussi01> !paste | saispo
[02:22] <ubotu> saispo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:23] <saispo> excuse me
[02:23] <cwillu> does the machine stay up there, or does it power down?
[02:24] <saispo> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35383/
[02:24] <saispo> it power down
[02:24] <Midkniht> is there a channel here for testers
[02:24] <saispo> i must press the power button, and it reboot
[02:24] <saispo> but gnome-power-manager indicate that it's failed to suspend, visit quirk web site
[02:25] <RAOF> I think that may be a g-p-m bug, since my laptop suspends & resumes fine, but displays that on resume.
[02:25] <saispo> maybe RAOF
[02:25] <saispo> i think too
[02:26] <cwillu> you have a mouse plugged into the laptop?
[02:27] <Wousser> jussi01: you fixed my problem, thank you
[02:27] <saispo> cwillu: yes a logitech mx1000 for laptop
[02:27] <cwillu> saispo:  what happens if you unplug it, and then suspend?
[02:27] <jussi01> Wousser: great. :)
[02:28] <saispo> cwillu: will try
[02:28] <saispo> brb
[02:29] <saispo> cwillu: work fine but the same bug in g-p-m
[02:29] <cwillu> saispo: improvement?
[02:30] <saispo> i can try hibernate if you want too
[02:30] <cwillu> it didn't work at all before, correct?
[02:30] <saispo> cwillu: the laptop suspend well, but i think i same as i have the mouse plugged
[02:30] <cwillu> okay
[02:30] <tuxcrafte1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/135273
[02:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135273 in xorg-server "gusty - xserver-xorg-core - wrong device permissions on /dev/dri/card0 (crw-rw----) instead of (crw-rw-rw-)" [Undecided,New] 
[02:30] <cwillu> the kern.log entry was benign then
[02:31] <saispo> yep
[02:31] <cwillu> tuxcrafte1: they'll probably want to see your xorg.conf attached
[02:32] <saispo> cwillu: it's a g-p-m bug, must reported it upstream ?
[02:32] <saispo> i don't inspect the code to see what it check for displaying this libnotify error
[02:32] <cwillu> check if there's a bug already on launchpad, I'd expect that there is
[02:33] <saispo> yep, and RAOF have the same :)
[02:33] <saispo> RAOF: have you reported the bug ?
[02:33] <RAOF> saispo: No, I haven't.  Please do so.
[02:34] <RAOF> saispo: It seems harmless though :)
[02:34] <saispo> :)
[02:40] <rocky> hmm... is deskbar currently undergoing instability?
[02:40] <rocky> keeps crashing for me
[02:42] <robtaylor> #.
[02:45] <Raystlin_FM> is kontact crashing on launch for anyone else?
[02:46] <tuxcrafte1> cwillu: thanks for the corrections
[03:06] <shirish> !download manager
[03:06] <shirish> !download
[03:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[03:06] <shirish> !wget
[03:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:06] <jussi01> !info wget
[03:06] <ubotu> wget: retrieves files from the web. In component main, is standard. Version 1.10.2-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 233 kB, installed size 1924 kB
[03:07] <shirish> jussi01: do you know any other download manager, having a GUI front-end & nice.
[03:08] <shirish> jussi01: and powerful, I used gwget and its lame to say the least :(
[03:08] <jussi01> shirish: I think some of the mozilla extensions work...
[03:08] <shirish> jussi01: looking for download manager having segmented downloading
[03:08] <jussi01> there is curl, but i dont know about a front end
[03:09] <jussi01> !info curl
[03:09] <ubotu> curl: Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS or FTP server. In component main, is optional. Version 7.16.4-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 170 kB, installed size 284 kB
[03:09] <jussi01> !find curl
[03:09] <ubotu> Found: curl, libcurl3, libcurl3-dbg, libcurl3-gnutls, libcurl4-gnutls-dev (and 17 others)
[03:09] <jussi01> hmmm
[03:10] <jussi01> !nfo wmget
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfo wmget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <jussi01> !info wmget
[03:10] <ubotu> wmget: Background download manager in a Window Maker dock app. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-2 (gutsy), package size 35 kB, installed size 140 kB
[03:10] <jussi01> could try that one shirish
[03:10] <shirish> jussi01: sure would do
[03:11] <jussi01> Ive not used it though
[03:12] <shirish> jussi01: curl has segmented download properties?
[03:12] <shirish> jussi01: meaning it supports segmented segmented downloading
[03:12] <jussi01> shirish: no idea.
[03:12] <jussi01> shirish: install it and: man curl
[03:22] <tatters> Been trying to get my webcam and Tv card working as the did previously in feisty running xawtv -hwscan gives me many errors  http://pastebin.com/m763fbec0
[03:22] <tatters> http://pastebin.com/m763fbec0
[03:24] <shirish> jussi01: do you know any software to analyze what a file is, I mean a kind of decoder for .mp4 to know what encoder was used, if you know what I mean
[03:24] <jussi01> shirish: no, i dont
[03:24] <shirish> !info mp4
[03:24] <ubotu> Package mp4 does not exist in gutsy
[03:24] <shirish> !mp4
[03:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:24] <LazyJay> shirish: does 'file' give this sort of info?
[03:25] <shirish> LazyJay: I haven't tried that, if it gives good, I do remember seeing an app. somewhere which did precisely this job
[03:26] <shirish> LazyJay: lol, it shows the file as an ISO media
[03:28] <LazyJay> shirish: NM, lol
[03:32] <mikl> What has become of /etc/iftab in gutsy, I wonder
[03:32] <jeffferrari> deprecated
[03:32] <mikl> jeffferrari: in favor of what?
[03:33] <jeffferrari> in favour of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent net something
[03:33] <jeffferrari> 70-persistent-net.rules to be exact
[03:33] <jeffferrari> :)
[03:33] <mikl> ah, ok - I never managed to get my head around making proper udev rules - perhaps now is the time ;)
[03:33] <jeffferrari> lol
[03:34] <jeffferrari> linux eventually forces you to learn everything... no matter how long you evade it
[03:34] <mikl> indeed
[03:35] <mikl> gutsy server is looking very promising so far - I like that we get AppArmor out-of-the-box
[03:35] <jeffferrari> aye - are you needing just to do static interface aliasing?
[03:36] <mikl> jeffferrari: yes, I just need to make sure that eth0 is always eth0 ;)
[03:36] <mikl> and so on with eth1, 2, 3, 4 etc.
[03:37] <mikl> but the documentation in 70-persistent-net.rules is quite good actually
[03:37] <jeffferrari> mikl: unless I'm mistaken, you don't really have to learn the udev rules syntax - I'm only using desktop and the static alias entries are already there
[03:37] <mikl> jeffferrari: yes, I've just discovered the same. Neat.
[03:39] <mikl> thankfully, there are some things Linux does not force us to learn. I tried to install FreeBSD on a test box, just to try it out - and suddenly I found myself knee-deep in trouble and harddrive geometry problems :)
[03:39] <mikl> And I just wondered why FreeBSD can't do what Linux does and
[03:39] <mikl> so I don't have to worry about the geometry of my harddrives :)
[03:41] <shirish> guys a slightly offtopic question, does anybody know what that tool is called which takes a multimedia file, reads it & tells what encoder was used & what decoder is needed to see/view a multimedia file.
[03:41] <shirish>  Looking for terminology here atm
[03:41] <jeffferrari> ooohhh old school - like when I first tried to install redhat about 10 years ago and ended up reading half a book about sectors etc just to get past first part of installer
[03:41] <jeffferrari> shirish: gspot in windows
[03:41] <mikl> jeffferrari: yeah. I don't know what Linux does now, but somehow it makes it work without asking me :)
[03:42] <shirish> jeffferrari: found that out, any idea of something similar for ubuntu
[03:42] <shirish> jeffferrari: I did read there is something similar in the latest gutsy-changes-report but don't know what.
[03:43] <jeffferrari> shirish: hmmm
[03:43] <robtaylor> shirish: you can use mplayer
[03:44] <robtaylor> shirish: or gst-typefind-0.10
[03:44] <jeffferrari> shirish: mediainfo?
[03:44] <shirish> jeffferrari: came on the last one myself, just this moment, mediainfo
[03:44] <jeffferrari> shirish: my synaptic is busy downloading daily, but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=453125
[03:45] <shirish> jeffferrari: same here, and the same thread too ;)
[03:47] <jeffferrari> robtaylor: that gst-typefind is the winner - is that what mplayer/gstream uses to figure out required codecs?
[03:47] <robtaylor> jeffferrari: yep
[03:47] <robtaylor> jeffferrari: well, gstreamer (and hence totem) does
[03:48] <jeffferrari> robtaylor: well that answered one of my unasked/one day when I'm bored questions :)
[03:48] <robtaylor> heh
[03:49] <robtaylor> jeffferrari: only downside is it wont be much help for formats gstreamer doesnt understand yet ..
[03:50] <roe> what was Tribe 5 released?
[03:50] <__tim> gst-typefind will only give you the top-level container, it usually doesn't tell you much about codecs
[03:52] <shirish> _tim: actually alongwith with the container I'm also looking if it can give something like proper EOF or not
[03:53] <robtaylor> __tim: hmm, the typefind stuff in gst certainly has the capability of finding what the codecs are, i thought typefind spat that out as well nowadays
[03:56] <shirish> robtaylor: I downloaded an interview from archive.org , its 1.9 GiB file, wget says its completed, but I'm not able to play it in any of the players, can hear audio only in vlc but that's that.
[03:56] <Arwen> shirish, link please
[03:56] <shirish> Arwen: http://www.archive.org/download/20070226-CambrianHouse-DonTapscott-Wikinomics-Presentation/DonTapscottPresentation-v20-vbr2800-a256.mp4
[03:56] <Arwen> will analyze it, one second
[03:57] <shirish> Arwen: its about a book called wikinomics, community oriented stuff
[03:57] <Ketsuban> Okay, I'll come out and say it: I'm completely stumped. I'm perfectly okay so long as I'm using the nv driver; if I try to enable nvidia then the system just doesn't do anything when I boot - there's no Xorg.0.log to analyse, and there's no command-line. I have to reboot into recovery mode to replace xorg.conf with the backup. I'd really love to know why this isn't working, because I need my 3D acceleration. :(
[03:58] <shirish> Arwen: here's the output I get from wget if I try to continue the download http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35390/
[03:58] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: while you can boot disable compiz and retry
[03:59] <Arwen> shirish, it's got all kinds of proprietary codecs in it
[03:59] <Arwen> looks like some combination of uncompressed audio and video
[03:59] <shirish> Arwen: that's strange, I thought archive.org was like free software or something on those lines.
[03:59] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: That's changing the option to "No effects" right?
[04:00] <Arwen> no... archive.org is an ARCHIVE
[04:00] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: yeah
[04:00] <Arwen> it makes sense to use the most efficient formats, not the most free ones
[04:00] <Ketsuban> Alright then, let's give that a try.
[04:00] <shirish> Arwen: true, but if you read the wikipedia page you come with the understanding it will be more open to free formats
[04:00] <shirish> Arwen: did you download the whole thing or how did you analyze?
[04:01] <Arwen> eh, I just called MPlayer on it, I don't seem to have enough of it to tell anything for sure though
[04:01] <jeffferrari> nice net connection if he downloaded it in 30 seconds
[04:01] <Arwen> blah, my net connection is faster than their upload capacity it seems
[04:02] <shirish> jeffferrari: yup, same here, it took me 3 whole days to download the whole thing just to know it can't play on my machine
[04:02] <Arwen> 30kB/s...
[04:02] <shirish> :(
[04:02] <shirish> Arwen: 30 kB/s here too, but while downloading through wget it gave only 13 kB/s :(
[04:03] <shirish> Arwen: on torrents I usually get 24/25 kB/s
[04:03] <robtaylor> shirish: works for me
[04:03] <__tim> that's really smart, that file has all the stream headers at the end of the file ...
[04:04] <shirish> _tim: thanx for telling me that ;)
[04:04] <robtaylor> shirish: its h264 and mp3
[04:04] <shirish> robtaylor: what works for you?
[04:04] <shirish> robtaylor: h264, I don't think I have that installed
[04:04] <robtaylor>  mplayer http://www.archive.org/download/20070226-CambrianHouse-DonTapscott-Wikinomics-Presentation/DonTapscottPresentation-v20-vbr2800-a256.mp4
[04:04] <Arwen> http://pastebin.ca/673517
[04:04] <Arwen> claims to be uncompressed dv
[04:05] <shirish> !info h264
[04:05] <ubotu> Package h264 does not exist in gutsy
[04:05] <shirish> !h264
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h264 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <robtaylor> shirish: just install mplayer
[04:05] <Arwen> ...H.264 support is part of ffmpeg
[04:05] <shirish> robtaylor: I have mplayer, and it sinks
[04:06] <robtaylor> shirish: actually totem should be able to play it
[04:06] <shirish> robtaylor: have that too
[04:06] <Arwen> robtaylor, playing the URL, I get a bunch of domain not found
[04:06] <robtaylor> shirish: looks like gutsy is shipping both x264 and ffdec_h264 plugins
[04:07] <Arwen> and it is most definitely not H.264...........
[04:07] <shirish> robtaylor: don't have it
[04:07] <robtaylor> shirish: gst-inspect-0.10 | grep 264
[04:08] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: No luck. :(
[04:08] <robtaylor> Arwen: not sure what you're looking at, but i just had it playing and streaming here
[04:08] <Arwen> robtaylor, oh really? unless you have some kind of evidence to back your statements, kindly keep them out of here.
[04:08] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: so compiz all off and still bailing?
[04:08] <shirish> robtaylor: http://pastebin.ca/673524
[04:09] <robtaylor> Arwen: you want a screencast?
[04:09] <Arwen> no, I want some terminal output
[04:09] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: I changed the setting to "No effects" like you said and it still didn't load anything on boot.
[04:09] <robtaylor> Arwen: http://pastebin.ca/673518
[04:09] <Trewas> yep that video works fine streamed with mplayer (some svn version though, not what is in gutsy)
[04:09] <Arwen> robtaylor, funny, I get http://pastebin.ca/673517
[04:09] <Arwen> maybe we're not looking at the same file
[04:10] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: does it hard lock?
[04:10] <shirish> oh oh, guys wasn't/isn't mediainfo packaged for gutsy, I did read about it in gutsy-changes ML sometime ago
[04:10] <robtaylor> Arwen: probably if you stream it, it searches out the stream headers at the end, then starts playing
[04:11] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: No, I can toggle the lock lights on the keyboard, but I have to hit the reset button to reboot.
[04:11] <robtaylor> which is probably shirish's problem
[04:12] <Arwen> robtaylor, now I'm just getting a endless loop of "could not resolve blah blah blah"
[04:12] <robtaylor> Arwen: local dns issues?
[04:12] <Arwen> no, my DNS works fine... oh wait, finally got it
[04:12] <shirish> lol, I'm stuck here guys any answers
[04:12] <Arwen> either way, that's a Broken File (tm).
[04:13] <Arwen> shirish, you have to play the URL, the file is broken so that you can't just download it
[04:13] <shirish> Arwen: I already downloaded it :(
[04:13] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: hmm, dunno man
[04:14] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: fresh install?
[04:14] <robtaylor> mplayer is smarter then gstreamer here,it seems
[04:14] <robtaylor> gst is going through the whole file to find the headers, whereas mplayer jumps stright to them
[04:14] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: Won't help anything. :P This has been a problem since I installed.
[04:14] <__tim> yes, GStreamer won't seek to the end of the http stream for the headers, but try to buffer the file into memory until it gets to them .. :)
[04:14] <robtaylor> thats an interesting test-case file for gst :)
[04:15] <shirish> can somebody find out if Mediainfo is packaged or not for gutsy? on packages.ubuntu.com using gutsy doesn't give anything.
[04:15] <robtaylor> __tim: definitly suboptimal ;)
[04:15] <robtaylor> shirish: nope not yet
[04:16] <__tim> robtaylor: sure
[04:16] <shirish> robtaylor: any idea if its in a build queue or something or not at all.
[04:16] <Arwen> that's wonderful, f***ing webserver trying to stream video on 30kB/s of bandwidth
[04:16] <Arwen> that's less than I have
[04:16] <robtaylor> shirish: what happens when you run mplayer on the file?
[04:17] <shirish> robtaylor: this is what happens when I run totem http://pastebin.ca/673530
[04:18] <Arwen> we said mplayer
[04:18] <jeffferrari> Ketsuban: which nvidia driver are you using? the repo one?
[04:18] <shirish> robtaylor: mplayer crashes, here's the output http://pastebin.ca/673532
[04:19] <robtaylor> shirish: woah
[04:19] <robtaylor> shirish: i guess somehow that file's got corrupted
[04:19] <Ketsuban> jeffferrari: yeah.
[04:19] <shirish> robtaylor: that's why I needed that mediainfo, guess I'll have to put up a post about it.
[04:20] <robtaylor> shirish: it wont tell you any more
[04:20] <robtaylor> shirish: its h264 with mp3, and mplayer will stream it just fine.Totem wont.
[04:20] <robtaylor> shirish: and your download seems to have got correupted
[04:20] <shirish> robtaylor: that is what it seems
[04:21] <Arwen> you could also try svn mplayer and see if it fails any less
[04:21] <shirish> Arwen: I deleted the file sorry :(
[04:22] <shirish> Arwen: robtaylor: any ideas which is a good download manager, which will give me something like 30 kB/s
[04:22] <Arwen> wget
[04:23] <Arwen> you could try leeching with aria2 "aria2c -s4 url"
[04:23] <Trewas> ubuntu's mplayer is ancient, but that's at least partially mplayer's fault because they do new releases very rarely
[04:24] <shirish> Arwen: what's the -s4 about?
[04:25] <Arwen> 4 connections
[04:25] <Arwen> Trewas, that's why Ubuntu should sync to svn
[04:25] <shirish> Arwen: cool and it does resume stuff.
[04:27] <shirish> Arwen: I meant that as a question
[04:27] <Arwen> yes
[04:27] <shirish> Arwen: wtf aria2 doesn't have a manual :(
[04:28] <Arwen> :-\
[04:28] <Arwen> man aria2c
[04:28] <shirish> Arwen: saw that, did a dpkg -L for that ;)
[04:30] <shirish> Arwen: have you used aria2 quite a bit?
[04:30] <Arwen> not really
[04:30] <Arwen> hard to justify using it over wget really
[04:31] <shirish> Arwen: does wget maintain a log or has option for log?
[04:31] <Arwen> you can use bash redirection for that
[04:31] <shirish> Arwen: aria2 seems to have support for that
[04:31] <Arwen> wget blah > file.txt
[04:32] <shirish> Arwen: so it would be wget url > soname.txt
[04:32] <roe> does setting the appearance -> Desktop effects to "No Effects" load metacity instead of compiz?
[04:32] <Arwen> yes, can you stop highlighting my name pelase?
[04:32] <Arwen> please*
[04:32] <shirish> Arwen: again that last sentence was a question
[04:32] <shirish> ok cool, sorry
[04:33] <Ramunas> anybody know of a repository which has screenlets for Gutsy?
[04:59] <shirish> Anybody knows what would be the right way to write the log for aria2, I made a pastebin for it
[04:59] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/673569
[05:29] <mikkael> should i choose the daily image for a fresh install or the latest tribe ?
[05:30] <Arwen> Tribe is probably more tested, and you can just update it immediately anyway
[05:30] <Arwen> so unless you're really cramped for bandwidth, don't bother with dailies
[05:31] <mikkael> can someone paste the link to the daily images ?
[05:32] <mikkael> nvm, got it
[05:33] <shirish> Arwen: I'm really saddened by not having logs for aria2 even though the man says its possible :(
[05:46] <jeffferrari> !source
[05:46] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[05:48] <sharperguy> could i have a link for a gutsy mirror? because i cant seem to find one
[05:48] <gnomefreak> !mirrors
[05:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[05:48] <sharperguy> thanks
[05:49] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: whats wrong with archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:49] <gnomefreak> they work fine here
[05:49] <sharperguy> never heard of it i don't think
[05:49] <gnomefreak> atleast gb and uk do
[05:49] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: its in your sources.list
[05:49] <sharperguy> i meant to get iso's
[05:49] <gnomefreak> the topic holds that info
[05:50] <sharperguy> i dont see it
[05:50] <gnomefreak> atleast used to
[05:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: changed it
[05:50] <sharperguy> hmm, well i read that first so blame hobbsee :P
[05:50] <Hobbsee> wha?  i dont recall doing that.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont know who did it but you werte last to change it
[05:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, but i s/tribe 4/tribe 5/
[05:51] <Hobbsee> 'd
[05:51] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:51] <sharperguy> yeah releases.ubuntu.com only has stable releases
[05:51] <sharperguy> !gutsy
[05:51] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:51] <sharperguy> grr
[05:51] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: hold on
[05:52] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28gutsy%29
[05:53] <sharperguy> ah ty
[05:54] <gnomefreak> if i get free time today i will shorten that and put link in there
[05:54] <gnomefreak> or better yet
[05:54] <gnomefreak> !gutsy
[05:54] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:55] <Hobbsee> sharperguy: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:57] <sharperguy> Hobbsee, cool
[06:21] <jeffferrari> anyone here familiar with the libpam-gnome-keyring package?
[06:22] <xtknight> jeffferrari,  not really but what about it?
[06:23] <jeffferrari> xtknight: well, I'm just wondering what thats about - the pamkeyring module works well, and the guy from gnome made clear his intention with their integration was SSO for keyrings in gnome
[06:24] <jeffferrari> I saw that package and hoped that just installing it would have the same effect as pamkeyring
[06:24] <jeffferrari> (with the additional /etc/pam.d/gdm changes included :) )
[06:25] <xtknight> hmm no idea
[06:26] <jeffferrari> this is the apparent derivative http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Pam
[06:27] <kalon33> jeffferrari :  I installed it and test it, but it doesn't open automatically my keyring at Gnome session startup, I continue to search why !
[06:27] <jeffferrari> kalon33: yeah, according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/129346 I figured it would be alpha
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129346 in gnome-keyring "Please build and install the new pam module" [Wishlist,Triaged] 
[06:28] <jeffferrari> haha didn't know ubotu did that
[06:28] <kalon33> ubotu does a lot of useful things :p
[06:28] <nosrednaekim> !botsnak
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[06:29] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:29] <Pici> And alot of not-so-useful things
[06:29] <nosrednaekim> lol
[06:30] <kalon33> lol :p
[06:30] <kalon33> Pici: like apt-get, have you ever made it mooed ?
[06:30] <knix> There's a bug with acpi in the 2.6.22-10 kernel, my headphone switch no longer works, and sound comes out of the speakers in my laptop as well
[06:31] <knix> (works fine in -9)
[06:31] <sharperguy> apt-get moo?
[06:34] <kalon33> yes ! ^^
[06:35] <kalon33> not a very useful thing isn't it ?
[06:41] <mon^rch> is there a compiz fusion guide somewhere with gpg keys and etc?
[06:42] <mon^rch> there used to be :/
[06:42] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[06:42] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:43] <mon^rch> oops, wrong chan
[06:43] <mon^rch> :P
[06:59] <ScislaC> is there a commercial repo active for gutsy yet?
[06:59] <Arwen> as of 3 days ago, no
[06:59] <ScislaC> cool, thanks
[07:18] <CydeSwype> wanted to let whomever cares know that this morning's update fixed my audio on intel hda
[07:18] <CydeSwype> will report same to launchpad...i think there's a couple bugs open about that
[07:20] <dfgas> CydeSwype, what one exatly? i have a stac 9220
[07:20] <CydeSwype> err not sure.  it's whatever comes in the dell latitude d820
[07:20] <dfgas> ahh
[07:20] <scizzo-> anyone else but me that does not find the restricted-extras in the add/remove program?
[07:21] <CydeSwype> device manager says: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[07:21] <CydeSwype> fwiw
[07:26] <Artimus> How does one typically work on Gutsy?  On a separate partition/chroot? A VM/different box?  How many people run it as their primary OS?
[07:26] <nosrednaekim> I have it on a separate partition
[07:28] <scizzo-> nvm my comment before
[07:30] <CydeSwype> i run it straight...on my whole hard drive ... cuz i'm an f'n nut  =^)
[07:36] <pvandewyngaerde> Artimus:  i run it as my primary os
[07:38] <Tomcat_> I only use the LiveCD... usually I install & dual-boot (but no time + hard drive crash).
[07:40] <c00i90wn> when I want to install ubuntu-laptop-mode apt asks for removal acpi-support, is this a bug or should I allow it? (this also removes in consecuence ubuntu-desktop)
[07:56] <kousotu> MY sound is gone...
[07:56] <kousotu> the update kiled it...
[08:00] <CydeSwype> kousotu, this morning's upgrade?  i actually got sound back thanks to this morning's upgrade.  two steps forward, one step back i guess
[08:00] <CydeSwype> there's a couple trouble tickets in launchpad about sound...but i'm not sure which relates to what hardware anymore
[08:01] <kousotu> will it's odd..
[08:01] <kousotu> wel*
[08:02] <kousotu> I updeated, ad UNTILL I resarted my LT my sound was fie
[08:02] <kousotu> fine*
[08:07] <ysth1> I got sound back too
[08:07] <ysth1> kousotu: check for more updates?
[08:08] <kousotu> I did
[08:10] <kousotu> root@laptop:~# apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:10] <kousotu> Calculating upgrade... Done
[08:10] <kousotu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:33] <shirish> !libata
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <shirish> !info libata
[08:33] <ubotu> Package libata does not exist in gutsy
[08:35] <_Azrael> Hey, when I enable gldesktop, I loose decorators (i.e. title bars go away on windows), anyone know how to fix this?
[08:36] <scizzo-> anyone that can confirm that vmware-player is uninstallable in the source tree?
[08:36] <scizzo-> _Azrael: if you go to System->Preferences->Appearance
[08:36] <scizzo-> do they come back?
[08:37] <scizzo-> _Azrael: I have had problems with using gl-desktop also
[08:37] <_Azrael> If I just go there, no, nothing happens.
[08:37] <scizzo-> _Azrael: a suggestion is to use: compiz --replace
[08:37] <scizzo-> _Azrael: turn off the Dekstop Effects and then try to use normal compiz in that way
[08:38] <tehk> gtk-window-decorator --replace
[08:40] <scizzo-> tehk: the desktop effects was actually the main problem
[08:40] <tehk> Gotcha
[08:40] <scizzo-> tehk: it seems that the cube was gone completly whe n I tried
[08:40] <scizzo-> tehk: I couldn't change the number of workspaces...only the rows
[08:41] <scizzo-> tehk: so I had 4 rows but only 1 workspace
[08:41] <tehk> hmm
[08:41] <tehk> default does not use cube anyway
[08:41] <scizzo-> tehk: when turning of the gl-desktop and desktop effect and using compiz --replace with options from the fusion manager you can download it works just fine with everything
[08:42] <scizzo-> tehk: the effects added as standard was really buggy though
[08:42] <scizzo-> at least for me
[08:42] <tehk> Yea
[08:42] <tehk> Lets hope your the minority
[08:42] <scizzo-> tehk: yes...I would like to see if anyone else is having the same problem before doing a report of it
[08:43] <tehk> Are you updating from feisty?
[08:43] <tehk> Or is this fresh?
[08:43] <scizzo-> gutsy
[08:43] <greengiant> is it possible to upgrade from tribe4 to 5?
[08:43] <tehk> You do not need to
[08:44] <tehk> it auto upgrades
[08:44] <Arwen> greengiant, yes. With apt.
[08:44] <greengiant> nice
[08:44] <tehk> tribes are only cd releases of the updated system
[08:44] <tehk> Do not use apt
[08:44] <tehk> use the updater
[08:44] <greengiant> very nice, so just use the updater
[08:44] <greengiant> thanks
[08:44] <Arwen> Tribes are just arbitrary snapshots of the same version.
[08:44] <Arwen> tehk, apt IS the updater
[08:44] <Arwen> *ding*
[08:44] <tehk> No
[08:44] <Arwen> Yes.
[08:44] <tehk> The updater uses apt
[08:45] <tehk> but it does other things besides apt
[08:45] <shirish> hi all query time
[08:45] <greengiant> thanks guys
[08:45] <Azrael1> Hm. After resetting X, using compiz replace and gtk-window-decorator replace the title bars are still not back
[08:45] <greengiant> don't fight because of me !
[08:45] <Arwen> tehk, um, no it doesn't. Except when changing distributions, it just calls apt dist-upgrade.
[08:45] <tehk> Azrael1, do a glxgears for me
[08:46] <Arwen> what's glxgears have to do with it?
[08:47] <tehk> To test if compiz was actually enabled
[08:48] <Arwen> how would running glxgears determine if compiz is running?
[08:48] <tehk> It wouldnt
[08:48] <Arwen> uh huh
[08:48] <tehk> It tells me his 3d is working
[08:48] <Arwen> no it doesn't
[08:48] <Arwen> glxinfo would sort of. glxgears doesn't tell anything.
[08:49] <scizzo-> glxinfo | grep direct
[08:50] <Azrael1> When compiz is running, if I start glxgears, x crashes
[08:50] <Azrael1> when compiz is not running it goes fine
[08:51] <tehk> Thats bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130914
[08:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130914 in compiz "[Compiz/nvidia-glx-new] Running glxgears while using compiz restarts x (dup-of: 130325)" [Undecided,New] 
[08:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "glxgears, 3d apps, crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy) (nvidia-glx-new 9755)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:57] <knix_> Hello all.  When I do a "function F5" on my toshiba laptop for showing a presentation, I can't get it to get my screen back on the laptop.  Any thoughts on how to get it back, other than rebooting or killing X?
[08:59] <yuriy> hi, anybody have bluetooth working/not working on kubuntu gutsy?
[09:00] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Where did gnome-cups-manager went?
[09:01] <yuriy> rbanffy: system-config-printer?
[09:01] <rbanffy> yuriy: Thanks!
[09:01] <rbanffy> :-)
[09:19] <ameyer> is the new firefox plugin finder thing supposed to actually install plugins?
[09:20] <DerekS> have there been any problems with the nvidia drivers? I have an nvidia gpu yet the logs say that it failed to initialize the module
[09:23] <ameyer> since the plugin installer seems to not be working at all
[09:24] <scizzo-> DerekS: what module?
[09:24] <scizzo-> DerekS: libwfb?
[09:24] <sparrw> lets see how gutsy likes booting with a kernel from dapper  :)
[09:28] <DerekS> scizzo-: no idea, but i just noticed an nvidia-glx-new module
[09:28] <DerekS> i installed that instead
[09:29] <DerekS> and it somewhat worked
[09:29] <DerekS> gnome won't load
[09:29] <DerekS> but gdm does
[09:32] <DerekS> scizzo-: yes! libwfb does not load
[09:32] <scizzo-> DerekS: yeah that is a known problem
[09:33] <DerekS> scizzo-: is there a known fix?
[09:34] <scizzo-> DerekS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641
[09:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] 
[09:35] <scizzo-> DerekS: you need to download the package from the website then extract it and copy the libwfb from that package
[09:35] <scizzo-> wget http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html
[09:35] <_Jaak_> How is gutsy doing in persistance mode?
[09:35] <scizzo-> well in some way....go to nvidias site and follow instructions that is in the bug report
[09:41] <aantipop> i thought dolphin would be the default file-manager for kubuntu gutsy ?
[09:44] <chrisjs169> what package is needed for rhythmbox to play m4a files?
[09:46] <__tim> chrisjs169: try to play your .m4a file in totem ("Movie Player") and it should try to install the missing packages automatically; after that it should work in rhythmbox too; you'll need probably need gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad*, maybe also -ugly*
[09:46] <chrisjs169> __tim, ok, thanks
[09:48] <DerekS> scizzo-: hmmm, ok
[09:49] <_Jaak_> anyone test herd 5 on usb disk in persistance mode?
[09:52] <Stormx2> Damnit
[09:52] <Stormx2> Has anyone experienced X somehow making the keys "Sticky" occasionally.
[09:53] <Stormx2> I go to open a tab in firefox, and it opens about 100 cause it thinks I am pressing T over and over again.
[10:01] <ameyer> fsck, gnash is refusing to work properly
[10:01] <ameyer> s/properly/at\ all/?
[10:02] <Arwen> well, then use real flash
[10:02] <shirish> !ttf
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ttf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <ameyer> Arwen: well, that's not helpful in this case
[10:03] <shirish> !info ttfonts
[10:03] <ubotu> Package ttfonts does not exist in gutsy
[10:03] <shirish> !ttfonts
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ttfonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <Arwen> shirish, are you looking for msttfcorefonts?
[10:03] <ameyer> I'm trying to prove that a bug's in konqueror and/or nspluginviewer not flashplugin-nonfree
[10:04] <shirish> Arwen: actually I have a ttfont, now it needs to go ~/.ttfonts dunno how that can happen.
[10:04] <Arwen> huh? move it there
[10:04] <randy026_> whats the url for gusty medibuntu w32codecs stuff?
[10:04] <Arwen> randy026_, medibuntu.org
[10:06] <randy026_> Arwen, im on there but I dont see any gusty repos
[10:06] <ameyer> actually, there's other ways to prove this bug
[10:06] <Arwen> just replace feisty with gutsy
[10:06] <randy026_> ok thanks!
[10:06] <ameyer> someone link to something with embedded media that isn't flash
[10:06] <Arwen> randy026_, warning: medibuntu hasn't synced with official packages, so their stuff is old.
[10:06] <Arwen> doesn't matter for w32codecs though
[10:06] <randy026_> ok
[10:07] <shirish> Arwen: is there a way to know if the font has moved there or not?
[10:07] <Arwen> shirish, ls ~/.ttfonts
[10:08] <randy026_> Arwen, so after I install it should I take it out from my sources list? I mean it wont pull other stuff from there and mess up my system if I do apt-get upgrade or anything will it?
[10:08] <shirish>  ls ~/.ttfonts
[10:08] <shirish> ls: /home/shirish/.ttfonts: No such file or directory
[10:08] <Arwen> randy026_, it's harmless
[10:08] <Arwen> shirish, guess it's not there then
[10:08] <randy026_> ok thanks
[10:09] <shirish> Arwen: what could be the issue, it shows the file there as done, but still it doesn't work :(
[10:09] <_Jaak_> by default compiz-fusion is loaded now right? What happens if i load the restricted official ati driver, will it fallback to metacity or does it work with that driver now?
[10:09] <Arwen> shirish, *shrug*, you never explained what you were trying to do,
[10:10] <shirish> Arwen: I am trying to use a presentation tool called mgp (magicpoint) and the presentation uses a particular font called timesbd.ttf
[10:11] <shirish> Arwen: now that file needs to be copied to a ./ttfonts
[10:11] <Arwen> shirish, apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:11] <Arwen> that's a Microsoft (TM) font.
[10:13] <kousotu> Doe gutsy automatically update tribes?
[10:13] <kousotu> does*
[10:13] <hylje> iirc it prompts you to dist-upgrade when new tribes appear
[10:13] <Arwen> kousotu, yes
[10:14] <Arwen> tribes are just arbitrary snapshots of the development branch
[10:14] <kousotu> Arwen, I mean like from tribe 4 to 5 etc.
[10:14] <Arwen> yes, read what I said
[10:15] <shirish> Arwen: bbl :)
[10:15] <kousotu> I did, just wanted to make sure you understood my question clearly
[10:39] <lastent> hi, how do I upgrade to the beta release??
[10:48] <Arwen> read the topic
[10:49] <randy026_> Is firefox broken for anyone else after the last FF update?
[10:49] <Arwen> dunno, I use generic Mozilla Firefox
[10:49] <randy026_> my download and add-on panels don't work :/
[10:49] <randy026_> just gives me a xml error
[10:51] <kfoltman> hi
[10:52] <kfoltman> is frequent crashing of firefox and thunderbird a well known bug in the freshly updated version of gutsy?
[10:52] <randy026_> mine doesn't crash.. it's just broken...
[10:54] <kfoltman> I can get thunderbird to crash in 100% of cases just after running it, and firefox is usually put down by reading a few pages of digg
[10:54] <kfoltman> (not that it's particularly bad in itself ;) )
[10:54] <kfoltman> needless to say, it worked pretty well in feisty
[10:55] <randy026_> hmm my firefox works fine its just the download and add-on panels don't work .. they just give xml errors
[11:07] <kfoltman> thunderbird crashes in gklayout
[11:20] <Kyuss> hi people!
[11:20] <bdgraue> my kubuntu-gutsy compiz fusion dont work right, can someone help please?  http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14260/  <-- the paste of the error
[11:23] <kfoltman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/135386 anything to add to the report?
[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135386 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird 2.0.0.6 crashes in libgklayout.so" [Undecided,New] 
[11:31] <kfoltman> oh looks it was my fault, because of copying tahoma font from windows... I got what I deserved for using MS font ;)
[11:39] <ohad> how do i install a patch -- .c file? i am running ubuntu gutsy on thinkpad x61s
[11:39] <ohad> trying to fix sound and hibernation / suspend
[11:41] <ohad> anyone.
[11:41] <ohad> ?
[11:41] <SeveredCross> No idea TBH.
[11:45] <cwillu> I'm having some trouble font trouble
[11:46] <davmor2> cwillu: go on
[11:46] <cwillu> I've got a font that I need installed;  I've tried putting it in ~/.fonts, /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, and /usr/local/share/fonts, but I can't get it to pick up anywhere
[11:46] <cwillu> fc-cache -f -v seems to skip over it
[11:47] <cwillu> (i.e., it'll say '0 fonts, 0 dirs' when I put the files in my home directory or in local/fonts
[11:47] <SeveredCross> I think you need to do some stuff with defoma but I'm not sure.
[11:49] <cwillu> I've done this a whole bunch of times under feisty, edgy and dapper
[11:49] <cwillu> but it's just being ignored under gutsy
[11:50] <cwillu> I thought it might have been that bitmap fonts were disabled;  I replaced /etc/fonts/font.d/70-disable-bitmap-fonts with the enabled one under font.avail
[11:50] <davmor2> try installing dfontmgr not sure exactly what it does but it says it is a gui to defoma
[11:50] <cwillu> conf.d, conf.avail rather
[11:50] <cwillu> okay, I'll give that a shot
[11:52] <davmor2> failing that one way to get the right folder is System/Prefs/Appearance, click on the fonts tab, then details, then goto font folder,  check if you font is in there if not add it
[12:00] <DrakeJustice> anyone in here have a copy of /etc/ati/ati-fglrx.sh?
[12:01] <macaco> hello
[12:02] <macaco> can any one help me how run compiz on ubuntu 7.10
[12:05] <macaco> can any one help me how run compiz on ubuntu 7.10
[12:05] <cwillu> macaco: it's not running already?
[12:05] <sparrw> normally you ask again when someone joins, not when someone leaves
[12:06] <macaco> no all
[12:07] <macaco> i just open iopen on terminal type compiz -remplace and work but wen i restart ubuntu back againg normal
[12:08] <macaco> i install compizConfig but nothing work
[12:08] <DrakeJustice> nobody is running the ATI crap drivers?
[12:08] <cwillu> what about preferences | appearance | desktop effects ?
[12:08] <macaco> i see windows config and try anything to find to run compiz well
[12:09] <sparrw> cwillu: compiz is integrated with gnome now?
[12:09] <macaco> is there and is working but cube and desk wall no
[12:09] <macaco> yes
[12:09] <sparrw> between kde's lack of an on screen keyboard and compiz in gnome, i might try gnome on my tablet...
[12:10] <cwillu> macaco: okay, that's something else;  you probably need to turn on cube and turn off the other wall effect
[12:10] <macaco> no working
[12:10] <sparrw> anyone here using intel or i810 xorg video driver?  does xrandr resize incorrectly (or not at all) when you rotate your display?
[12:10] <macaco> only working wen i type compiz --remplace
[12:14] <CydeSwype> hey all.  so...now that compiz fusion is built in, i'm getting the black boxes of doom.  in the past i could edit the line that startsup beryl/compiz to add an option to keep that from happening
[12:14] <CydeSwype> but i'm not seeing a call in the session manager for compiz on startup...so don't know where to add that switch
[12:20] <kalon33> for people trying to activate compiz on gutsy : use the appearence manager in System > Preferences there is a tab dedicate to desktop effects
[12:22] <kalon33> for others trying to enable some effects, etc... use the compizconfig-settings-manager that you can find in gutsy universe repository
[12:23] <kalon33> hope that it helps some people
[12:42] <CydeSwype> kalon33: yeah i got that stuff.  i just need to know where it's "turning compiz on" in the boot sequence...if it's something in some init script or if there's something inside x i can hit.  just need to add a --blah switch to the invocation
[12:43] <scizzo-> macaco has the same problem I have with compiz....
[12:44] <Azrael1> CydeSwype: If you don't care about hackity, you could modify /usr/bin/compiz (just a script) to pass that arg additionally to compiz.real
[12:45] <Azrael1> Hell, there's a variable in the script called COMPIZ_OPTIONS you could just append to
[12:49] <CydeSwype> Azrael1: perfect thanks!
[12:51] <SeveredCross> Is AppArmor control enabled by default?
[12:51] <SeveredCross> I see a lot of audit stuff in dmesg, but don't know if that's AppArmor or not.