[12:48] <happyface_0> hi again jamesstansell
[12:51] <jamesstansell> hi happy
[12:53] <happyface_0> jamesstansell: I think I may just remove 6.10 and put on 7.04
[12:54] <jamesstansell> that sounds like a good option
[12:54] <jamesstansell> are you thinking to upgrade or install fresh?
[12:54] <happyface_0> I have to install fresh
[12:54] <happyface_0> since its USB
[12:54] <jamesstansell> btw, I saw you mentioned eclipse - is that the main thing you wanted to run?
[12:54] <happyface_0> yes
[12:55] <happyface_0> which won't work without JRE
[12:55] <happyface_0> or JDK
[12:56] <jamesstansell> the package in the archive should run OK with the default JDK (gcj or whatever) but since you mentioned 3.3 I guess it wouldn't have been in the archive
[12:58] <happyface_0> yes, the package ran OK
[12:58] <happyface_0> but I could not compile and it didn't recognise any syntax
[12:59] <jamesstansell> :( probably closely related issues ...
[01:01] <jamesstansell> I hadn't heard of livedistro.org before - thanks for the link
[01:02] <happyface_0> :)
[01:03] <jamesstansell> you said it required a new install - doesn't it ever support an upgrade?
[01:04] <happyface_0> maybe, but I need a custom Feisty because the normal one has a glitch where you can't save stuff when using USB
[01:07] <jamesstansell> ah - ok
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[01:11] <happyface_0> This iso is 820mb... I wonder if I'l have to burn it to DVD: (
[01:12] <jamesstansell> too big for a CD - I assume your USB is big enough though?
[01:12] <happyface_0> yes
[01:16] <happyface_0> 4GB
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[01:51] <happyface_0> be back later, jamesstansell... hopefully in feisty 
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[05:40] <tmarble> doko_: have you taken packages.ubuntu.com down for maintenance?
[06:09] <jamesstansell> tmarble: don't know about earlier, but packages.ubuntu.com seems to be up now
[06:09] <tmarble> thanks, yes, it is -- several people reported unusually long response times (but whatever it was has been fixed)
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[09:10] <happyface> hi, jamesstansell 
[09:10] <happyface> I'm now in 7.04, and still get the same error installing sun-java6-bin
[09:10] <happyface> so I'm guessing it might be a USB drive problem for some reason
[09:12] <jamesstansell> maybe properties of the filesystem?
[09:12] <happyface> who knows
[09:12] <happyface> I just need it to work, though :(
[09:13] <happyface> what to do... what to do... 
[09:18] <vil> jamesstansell, can I help?
[09:20] <happyface> help with what?
[09:23] <vil> he seems to have some sort of problem with installing sun java package
[09:24] <happyface> let me find that forum post
[09:29] <happyface> ok, I found it... vil I'm having the same problem with 6.10 and 7.04 (both run from USB drive, though) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414851
[09:31] <vil> happyface, let me take a look
[09:31] <happyface> ok
[09:31] <happyface> thanks... but I'l brb in 10 mins
[09:49] <jamesstansell> hi vil - I had just been trying to help happyface
[09:52] <jamesstansell> here's a little more about what he wants to do: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3263924&postcount=125
[09:53] <jamesstansell> except he doesn't care about the sun download if the package would install and run for him
[09:53] <vil> happyface, are you running on i386 or amd64?
[09:53] <jamesstansell> he's 32 bit
[09:54] <jamesstansell> but running on a 4GB USB drive
[09:54] <vil> also, if you need java just to run eclipse, you can stick to gcj although it is considerably slower
[09:54] <vil> I don't see a problem with USB  drive
[09:54] <happyface> hi I'm back
[09:55] <happyface> vil, gcj opens up eclipse, but syntax correction and compiling doesn't seem to work
[09:55] <happyface> unless I'm missing a gcj- dev kit thing
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[09:56] <vil> well, it might be handy to have sun java
[09:56] <vil> but the problem you are reporting is rather strange
[09:56] <vil> afaik you don't need stand-alone ecj package to run eclipse
[09:57] <jamesstansell> ecj-gcj --> standalone version of the Eclipse Java compiler (native version)
[09:57] <vil> the problem is that when it tries to install the sun-java it also runs it for a reason, but doesn't find the needed library libjli.so
[09:57] <happyface> yes exactly
[09:58] <vil> at my system 
[09:58] <vil> vladimir@sirius:/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin$ ldd java
[09:58] <vil>         linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
[09:58] <vil>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f15000)
[09:58] <vil>         libjli.so => /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.02/jre/bin/../lib/i386/jli/libjli.so (0xb7f0c000)
[09:58] <vil>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f07000)
[09:58] <vil>         libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7dbd000)
[09:58] <vil>         /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f46000)
[09:58] <happyface>  java -version
[09:58] <happyface> java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:58] <vil> so can you do ldd /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java ?
[09:59] <happyface> no
[09:59] <happyface> I only have up to /bin
[09:59] <happyface> nvm hold on
[09:59] <happyface>         linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
[09:59] <happyface>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f6b000)
[09:59] <happyface>         libjli.so => not found
[09:59] <happyface>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f66000)
[09:59] <happyface>         libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e25000)
[09:59] <happyface>         /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f8f000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell> my feisty install shows :/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin$ ldd java
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f7e000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         libjli.so => /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/../lib/i386/jli/libjli.so (0xb7f75000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f70000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e2f000)
[10:00] <jamesstansell>         /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fa3000)
[10:00] <vil> jamesstansell, that looks good actually
[10:01] <jamesstansell> happyface: do you have a /usr/bin/java today?
[10:01] <vil> can you try to run /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java ?
[10:01] <vil>  /usr/bin/java is just a symlink
[10:01] <happyface> I ran it with -version
[10:01] <happyface> and got the libjli.so thing
[10:02] <vil> I mean if jamesstansell can run it with full path specified, because his ldd looks fine
[10:03] <jamesstansell> mine runs fine
[10:03] <happyface> god damn libjli.so... it's breaking my balls
[10:03] <jamesstansell> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java -version
[10:03] <jamesstansell> java version "1.6.0"
[10:03] <jamesstansell> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105)
[10:03] <jamesstansell> Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.6.0-b105, mixed mode)
[10:04] <jamesstansell> happyface: what does "locate libjli.so" give you?
[10:04] <happyface> locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old
[10:05] <happyface> I'l have to update my database
[10:05] <happyface> locate -u?
[10:06] <jamesstansell> sounds right
[10:07] <vil> happyface, I would suggest to reinstall sun-java6-*
[10:07] <happyface> ?
[10:07] <happyface> it does the same error
[10:08] <happyface> if I reinstall
[10:08] <happyface> locate libjli.so
[10:08] <happyface> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/lib/i386/jli/libjli.so
[10:09] <jamesstansell> I think you might have an issue with the shared lib linker
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[10:11] <jamesstansell> well, I expected "ldconfig -p |grep jvm" to show me something but it has no output
[10:12] <happyface> same
[10:12] <vil> jamesstansell, the same here
[10:12] <vil> :)
[10:13] <happyface> any other ideas guys?
[10:13] <jamesstansell> somehow though it's getting  /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/lib/i386/jli/ in the LD path for me (and the similar one for vil's version) but not getting it for you
[10:14] <jamesstansell> the java command used to be a shell wrapper but I see it's an ELF file now
[10:16] <jamesstansell> is your /usr partition ext3?
[10:17] <happyface> well, I'm using casper-rw
[10:17] <happyface> but bsically its ex2
[10:19] <jamesstansell> found https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/84591
[10:19] <happyface> bug 84591
[10:19] <happyface> no no
[10:19] <happyface> I have a patched feisty with persistence working
[10:20] <jamesstansell> so this is what that patch was supposed to address?
[10:20] <happyface> yes
[10:20] <happyface> it uses some casper files from 6.10 in 7.04
[10:21] <happyface> http://www.livedistro.org/release-announcements/gnu/linux-releases/ubuntu-feisty-fawn-patches-for-persistence
[10:21] <happyface> I'm using iso #2
[10:22] <vil> happyface, the best I can think of right now is to try
[10:23] <vil> strace /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/bin/java
[10:23] <vil> to see, where it fails
[10:23] <happyface> ugh
[10:23] <happyface> so much output
[10:24] <happyface> http://p.opsat.net/v/xi
[10:27] <happyface> does that help you decipher anything, vil?
[10:28] <vil> happyface, can you also do
[10:28] <jamesstansell> is there anything in /cow/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/../jre/lib/i386/jli ? seems like earlier locate found the libjli.so there, right?
[10:28] <vil> strings /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/bin/java | grep jli
[10:29] <happyface> locate libjli.so
[10:29] <happyface> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/lib/i386/jli/libjli.so
[10:29] <happyface> libjli.so
[10:29] <happyface> $ORIGIN/../lib/i386/jli:$ORIGIN/../jre/lib/i386/jli
[10:29] <happyface> I don't have a /cow
[10:30] <jamesstansell> the /cow/... path had jre/bin/../jre which ends up being jre/jre which isn't right ?
[10:31] <jamesstansell>  /cow came from the strace output
[10:32] <happyface> I'm not sure what you mean
[10:32] <happyface> but there is libjli.so in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/../lib/i386/jli  for me
[10:33] <jamesstansell> and thats where this points:  $ORIGIN/../lib/i386/jli
[10:33] <vil> happyface, if you look at that strace output, there are lots of lines begining with /cow
[10:33] <jamesstansell> I see it now earlier in the strace output
[10:34] <vil> that is the problem
[10:34] <happyface> ah
[10:34] <happyface> yea, it says no file or directory
[10:35] <jamesstansell> does the jvm ship with some library static linked that the persistence patch fixes for apps that use the system shared library?
[10:35] <jamesstansell> ie for file lookups?
[10:37] <happyface> I have no idea
[10:40] <jamesstansell> this seems to be where it starts going wrong
[10:40] <jamesstansell> readlink("/proc/self/exe", "/cow/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/java"
[10:40] <vil> happyface, now I have also found that cow is something from casper
[10:40] <vil> looks like #ubuntu-motu might be a better place to search for help
[10:41] <happyface> hmm
[10:41] <happyface> what's motu
[10:41] <jamesstansell> "masters of the universe"
[10:41] <happyface> I mean... what's the channel for
[10:42] <vil> motus are developers of all kinds
[10:42] <vil> here people focus mainly on java
[10:42] <vil> and this is more about linker and casper
[10:43] <happyface> ok
[10:44] <jamesstansell> although it might have a great deal to do with sun-java6 packaging
[10:44] <vil> anyway, if nobody answers you, feel free to come back
[10:44] <vil> I have already spent enough time with it to be currious how it ends ;)
[10:44] <jamesstansell> too bad icedtea isn't further along - can't really recommend that to you yet
[10:45] <vil> jamesstansell, doko_ would be surely gald to hear you comments
[10:46] <jamesstansell> well, honestly, it might be as good a thing to try as any ...
[10:46] <happyface> vil, where does your strace output point to
[10:46] <vil> ?
[10:50] <jamesstansell> here's my strace output - http://p.opsat.net/v/xj
[10:57] <happyface> ok
[10:58] <happyface> hey jamesstansell and vil, motu pointed me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/103933/comments/8
[10:59] <jamesstansell> :)
[10:59] <happyface> but still doesn't help me
[11:01] <vil> happyface, imo that's not wrong that it uses relative path for lib look up
[11:01] <vil> I still suspect that casper thing
[11:03] <happyface> this isn't worth it... maybe I'l try gcj more
[11:04] <jamesstansell> does "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib java -version" do anything different?
[11:06] <happyface> no :(
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[11:09] <jamesstansell> what does "LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS java" give you?
[11:09] <jamesstansell> oops - meant "LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 java"
[11:10] <happyface> bash: LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS: command not found
[11:10] <happyface> yea hah
[11:10] <vil> happyface, can you also show us the output of the mount command?
[11:10] <happyface> LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 java
[11:10] <happyface> oops
[11:10] <happyface>         linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
[11:10] <happyface>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f82000)
[11:10] <happyface>         libjli.so => not found
[11:10] <happyface>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f7d000)
[11:10] <happyface>         libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e3c000)
[11:10] <vil> the bug is suggesting that remounting /proc helps
[11:10] <happyface>         /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fa6000)
[11:11] <jamesstansell> same libjli.so not found
[11:11] <vil> and the strace logs shows that it all starts at /proc
[11:11] <vil> readlink("/proc/self/exe", "/cow/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/java", 4096) = 49
[11:11] <happyface> unionfs on / type unionfs (rw)
[11:11] <happyface> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[11:11] <happyface> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
[11:11] <happyface> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[11:11] <happyface> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:11] <happyface> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[11:11] <happyface> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[11:11] <happyface> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[11:11] <happyface> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[11:11] <happyface> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[11:11] <happyface> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
[11:12] <jamesstansell> I guess that adding an extra mount for /usr/lib/jvm might help
[11:12] <vil> "Making sure that the /proc was correctly mounted in the chroot caused the error to go away."
[11:12] <vil> not sure what that means...
[11:13] <happyface> let me ask motu
[11:13] <jamesstansell> "mount --bind olddir newdir" or maybe "mount --rbind olddir newdir"
[11:13] <jamesstansell> where olddir is /usr/lib/jvm and newdir is /tmp/jvm
[11:15] <happyface> /tmp/jvm?
[11:15] <jamesstansell> then try /tmp/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java -version
[11:15] <jamesstansell> must mkdir /tmp/jvm before the bind command
[11:15] <jamesstansell> sudo mount --bind /usr/lib/jvm /tmp/jvm
[11:18] <happyface> same error
[11:18] <happyface> libjli.so
[11:19] <vil> happyface, my guess is that your casper runs in a chroot located at /cow
[11:20] <vil> and readlink("/proc/self/exe", "/cow/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/java", 4096) = 49 gives the java binary feeling that it the jvm is installed at /cow/...
[11:21] <vil> however, I have no idea how to fix that
[11:21] <vil> the problem is not in sun java itself
[11:22] <jamesstansell> I think the problem was before the readlink call - whatever gave the java command the /cow/... to start with
[11:22] <jamesstansell> hoped the mount --bind might get around that
[11:22] <jamesstansell> I'm not sure how --rbind is different
[11:23] <jamesstansell> or what a "proper way" to mount /proc in a /cow chroot would be
[11:23] <vil> see you guys
[11:24] <happyface> bye
[11:24] <jamesstansell> see you
[11:25] <jamesstansell> happyface: ltrace java -version    ?
[11:26] <happyface> I removed sun-java6 for now
[11:26] <happyface> all I want is eclipse working in the end... so I'm trying gcj
[11:26] <happyface> even though I think it uses an outdated java version
[11:28] <jamesstansell> the feisty version might not have the java5 stuff enabled yet - I'm not sure
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[12:05] <happyface> well
[12:06] <happyface> supposedly eclipse uses up too much memory anyway... I guess I'l find a liter editor