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Jester45idk if anyone is here but would it be ok if i left my bot to log in here?04:06
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Jester45could you remove the ban or put it as jester*@vidd.vidd.us04:51
Jester45i will not bring it back04:51
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 28 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 29 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 13:00 UTC: Community Council | 08 Sep 00:00 UTC: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 17:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers
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juliux@schedule berlin11:06
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Berlin: 28 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers11:06
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 28 Aug 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 29 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 13:00 UTC: Community Council | 08 Sep 00:00 UTC: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 17:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers
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mathiazhi all04:57
popeyo/04:57
jdstrandhi04:58
sommerhello04:58
zul_heylo04:58
soreno/04:59
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Hobbseehey!05:00
nealmcbsaluton!05:00
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=== soren shakes his head and mumbles something about kids these days..
soren:p05:01
=== Hobbsee O:-)
MithrandirHobbsee: I've already run off.05:01
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nealmcbhandy link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting05:01
=== soren is 26 summers young..
popeydon't be fooled jdstrand, he looks about 1205:01
jdstrandheh05:01
sorenpopey: Careful now.. :)05:01
mathiaz#startmeeting05:02
MootBotMeeting started at 14:53. The chair is mathiaz.05:02
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 05:02
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mathiazlet's get started... dendrobates is not here for now05:02
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mathiazhe'll join us a little bit later05:02
sorenslacker..05:02
soren:)05:02
mathiazhi keescook05:02
sorenHey, kees.05:03
keescookheya folks05:03
keescookI was sitting in the #server-team channel wondering where everyone was.  ;)05:03
mathiazso the agenda for today's meeting is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting05:03
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mathiaz[TOPIC]  Review ACTION points from previous meeting.05:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting.05:03
mathiazThe previous meeting logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/2007081405:04
mathiazwell. we didn't organise a doc day as suggested by jono during last meeting.05:04
sorenACTION: Tell MootBot the correct time. :)05:05
mathiazlet's try to get one organized next friday.05:06
mathiazthe 7th of september05:06
sorenSounds good to me.05:07
mathiaz[ACTION]  organise a doc day for Friday, September 7th05:07
MootBotACTION received:  organise a doc day for Friday, September 7th05:07
mathiazjdstrand: what's the state of the default LAMP install page ?05:08
jdstrandinfinity (who doesn't seem to be here now) expressed an interest in the meeting that he wanted to do it05:08
jdstrandI talked to him after the meeting and we decided he would05:08
nealmcbmootbot: for the record, the time is now 15:09:00 UTC so you are about 9 minutes slow....05:09
sorenIs there a bug about it? That would make it easier to track it..05:09
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jdstrandI followed up with him, and he said he will still do it, but hasn't had time yet05:09
mathiazI think there is a bug about it05:09
mathiazat least there is a bug about the default apache2 website.05:09
mathiazjdstrand: could you file a bug about this ?05:10
sorenmathiaz: That's sort of different, though.05:10
jdstrandmathiaz: yes05:10
jdstrandI'll follow up with infinity on it as well05:11
sorenmathiaz: I expect the LAMP one will use PHP and MySQL for stuff. The default apache2 should not make any assumptions about the presence of neither PHP nor MySQL.05:11
mathiaz[ACTION]  jdstrand will file a bug for a default page for the LAMP tasks and follow up with infinity05:11
MootBotACTION received:  jdstrand will file a bug for a default page for the LAMP tasks and follow up with infinity05:11
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mathiazI've updated the factoid about webmin05:12
mathiaz!webmin05:12
ubotuwebmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system05:12
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mathiazdoes this seem correct ?05:12
nealmcbmathiaz: thanks - that is better.  I'm still hoping to be able to point people to specific problems it has caused, if anyone has any stories...  or mentioning debconf or something.05:13
sorenWell, yes. I thought it would just shout "NOOOOO!!", though :)05:13
nealmcb:-)05:13
mathiazI haven't seen any other factoid that needs to be updated. Ideas ?05:14
nealmcbI imagine there are some things for which it or something similar would be useful.  e.g. how do people allow clerks to update /etc/aliases?05:14
sorennealmcb: clerks?05:14
sorennealmcb: Like junior admins?05:14
nealmcbi.e. folks who know who should get email, but don't know how to log in with ssh and edit files05:14
nealmcbsoren: yeah05:15
sorennealmcb: I have a web interface for that.05:15
sorennealmcb: I don't use /etc/aliases. I store that sort of config in a mysql db.05:15
sorenI've been planning to make a package for that, but haven't worked on it for over a year.05:16
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sorenI should probably write a spec about it for gutsy+1.05:16
nealmcbsoren: well, a solution we could point small site admins to that works with supported packages would be nice.05:16
sorendendrobates: Hey, rick.05:16
dendrobateshello all.05:16
nealmcbcould ebox do that?05:16
mathiazthere is a list of all the factoids: http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:16
mathiazdendrobates: hi.05:16
dendrobatesdsl still not fixed, so I could drop at any time.  But I 'll come back asap.05:17
nealmcbmathiaz: I posted a list of other missing factoids on the previous agenda - I'll look05:17
mathiaznealmcb: ok. So you'll look throught the server related factoid and see if anything could be improved ?05:17
sorennealmcb: Yes, eBox has a mail module. I haven't really looked much at it, though.05:18
nealmcboops - my confusion - it's still there on the agenda :-O05:18
nealmcbwebmin, mail, mua, mta, pop, imap, nic, openssl, inetd.05:18
mathiazwhat about adding a task to the documentor section of the roadmap ?05:18
nealmcbI've seen  many email conversations and being able to get ubotu to clarify mta and mua would be handy05:18
nealmcbI can do that05:19
mathiaz[ACTION]  nealmcb will add a task to the documentor section about updating the factoids for server related questions05:19
MootBotACTION received:  nealmcb will add a task to the documentor section about updating the factoids for server related questions05:19
mathiazas for the openssh task,05:19
mathiazit's been added to tasksel.05:20
sorenRight. Suggestions for additional tasks are welcome.05:20
mathiazIt hasn't made it for tribe-5, due to bad timing.05:20
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mathiazBut it's on the server cd now.05:20
keescook:)05:20
nealmcbgreat05:20
mathiazdendrobates: you wanted to talk about new tasks ?05:21
dendrobatesyes.  I wated to discuss possible tasksle tasks, now that ssh-server is sucessfully added.05:22
mathiaz[TOPIC]  New tasks for tasksel05:23
MootBotNew Topic:  New tasks for tasksel05:23
dendrobatesDoes anyone see a need for any more install tasks?05:23
dendrobatesPerhaps a samba file server?05:23
jdstranddendrobates: this is for gutsy, not gutsy+1 or farther?05:24
sorenGutsy.05:24
mathiazI could think of a file server, mail server05:24
dendrobatesgutsy: if we have a important task, it could still be added.05:24
sorenYes, mail server seems obvious, but is a bit tricky.05:24
mralphabetproxy server?05:24
mathiazfile server would just include installing samba ?05:25
dendrobatesI think we should think about low hanging fruit.  Things that will be fairly easy, but make installation easier for admins.05:25
sorenWe have to settle on one mail server to rule them all :)05:25
jdstrandshould file-server also nfs?05:25
jdstrands/also/also include/05:25
dendrobatesI consider that a different task, but it could be argued.05:26
sorenI agree with dendrobates. It's a different task.05:26
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mathiazadding new tasks to tasksel that would just install one package is not really a good idea05:27
sorenNeither should be called "File server", of course.05:27
dendrobatesI think samba would be the most helpful, esp. since we are putting off ebox.05:27
mathiazWell - I think it would make sense to have a file server task that would install samba and nfs.05:27
jdstrandI agree with not pulling in both, but agree with soren that it should not be named 'file-server'05:28
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dendrobatesWe need to name it in a way that is both truthful and would be understood by a novice admin.05:28
jdstranddendrobates: yes05:28
mathiazyeah.. that's why I'd install both nfs and samba05:28
sorendendrobates: Something like "Samba (Windows file sharing)" ?05:28
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mathiazso that a novice user can serves his file to windows client and unix clients05:28
jdstrandthen there are three05:29
mathiazthat's what you get when you buy a NAS appliance05:29
jdstrandwhat soren said, "Unix File Server' and "General Purpose FIle Server"  or similar05:29
nealmcbbut what other things will they run into?  all the authn and AD stuff etc05:29
dendrobatesIs the samba package simple enough to configure, that it would make a good task.05:29
sorenjdstrand: "General Purpose File Server"? Is that NFS?05:29
dendrobatesnealmcb: that's what I mean.05:29
jdstrandsoren: both05:30
sorenjdstrand: Oh. :)05:30
jdstrandsoren: obviously the wording would have to be better since you didn't get it!  :)05:30
jdstrand"Samba + NFS (Windows and Unix file sharing)05:30
mathiazI'd call it 'File server'05:31
dendrobatesmathiaz: you are familliar wirth the samba package.  Could it be easily configured to be useful.05:31
mathiazdendrobates: it works OOTB05:31
jdstrandmaybe this Samba + NFS is good for the task, since just smaba or just nfs are installing one package05:31
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jdstranddo those separately05:32
mathiazjdstrand: +105:32
nealmcbwhy would people want both samba and nfs?05:32
mathiaznealmcb: to server windows client and unix clients05:32
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dendrobatesI have seen both in certain situations, but we only need to worry about the most common use cases for tasks.05:32
sommerWould you enable a Samba share by default?05:33
nealmcbof course some will, but as one of the few "tasks" I'm afraid folks would end up with either nfs that they don't want, or samba that they don't want.05:33
dendrobatessommer: no05:33
nealmcbdendrobates: right05:33
sommergotcha05:33
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dendrobatesuser should be able to select at install, maybe.05:33
mathiazhum... It seems that this needs more discussion. Who would like to look into this and send a proposal to the mailing list ?05:34
dendrobatesIt would need to be pretty quick.05:35
mralphabetCould Task Select set up a default read only share?  Then the script could say "To view your files on the network, browse to //{server ip or hostname}/default_share/"05:35
jdstrandperhaps the question of whether or not single package tasks to make it easier for users is worth exploring more05:35
mathiazfrom what I understood from tasksel, tasks should not be used to install just one package05:36
mathiazopenssh was an exception to the rule I think05:36
jdstrandmost devs seem to not like it-- but the convenience for users is obviously a good thing05:36
dendrobatesHowever it is the easiest way to get an option into the installer, afaik.05:36
nealmcbfor ssh server it made sense since that is necessary to even do more remote installs.  but the argument for other single-package tasks is harder05:36
dendrobatesWe need to thank about the users.  We don't want useless cruft, but if it makes things easier it is a good idea.05:37
mathiazso.. noone wants to draft something and start the discussion ?05:37
nealmcbbut I'm not arguing against single-package tasks, if they help novice sysadmins and don't get them in trouble05:37
sommerI can do it if no one else is wants to.05:39
sommerthe ml discussion that is.05:39
mathiaz[ACTION]  sommer will send a draft to the mailing list about a file server task in tasksel05:39
MootBotACTION received:  sommer will send a draft to the mailing list about a file server task in tasksel05:39
mathiazsommer: just a mail to kickoff the discussion05:40
mathiazsommer: and may be you could add an item to the roadmap ?05:40
nealmcbsommer: thanks05:40
sommermathiaz: sure no problem05:40
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sorenA task can't "do" anything.05:41
mathiaz[ACTION]  sommer will update the roadmap to add a task for the file server.05:41
MootBotACTION received:  sommer will update the roadmap to add a task for the file server.05:41
sorenA task is simly a "selection of packages".05:41
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mathiaz[TOPIC]  review the triagger section of the roadmap05:41
MootBotNew Topic:  review the triagger section of the roadmap05:41
sorenTo have it automatically add a share of any sort, there would need to be a package doing the hard work and the task would have to include that package.05:41
mathiazso we had decided to triagge bug for apache205:42
mathiazthat took me a couple of hours to do.05:42
mathiazso I've updated the roadmap for php5.05:42
sorenmathiaz: You're done?05:42
mathiazsoren: for the apache2 bug in New,Unconfirmed yes05:43
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sorenCool!05:43
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mathiazsoren: that doesn't mean I've fixed or triagged all of them05:43
dendrobatesmathiaz: your'e a mad bug triager.05:43
mathiazI've just had a look at it.05:43
mralphabetsoren: ahh, that makes more sense, thanks05:43
mathiazanyway - we're on php5 bugs now.05:43
dendrobateswe should all try to help him more.05:44
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sorenAlright. PHP5 it is.05:44
mathiaz[TOPIC]  review the packager corner05:44
MootBotNew Topic:  review the packager corner05:44
mathiazI think there is nothing new for the watch files.05:45
mathiazand fernando doesn't seem to be around05:45
mathiaz[TOPIC]  review the tester corner05:45
MootBotNew Topic:  review the tester corner05:45
dendrobatesI sent all the ldap-auth-client stuff upstream to Debian.05:45
mathiazI'd like to discuss hardware testing for tribe-605:46
dendrobatesmathiaz: I have repaired my sparc box.05:46
mathiazI'm trying to organize hardware coverage for tribe-6.05:46
mathiazso who has some 'server' hardware that could be used to some iso testing ?05:47
dendrobatesmathiaz: we should try a very specific post to the mailing list.05:47
mathiazThe idea is to know if ubuntu-server can be installed on the main brands (dell poweredge, hp proliant, ibm xserver, etc...)05:48
sorenI have a Dell Poweredge 1750 (I think), that's just collecting dust. I could fire it up, I guess.05:48
mathiazdendrobates: and also a very simple testing and reporting infrastructure.05:48
mathiazI've looked into smolt to gather hardware profiles.05:49
dendrobatesmathiaz: also a request in the the forums, might be useful.05:49
mathiazI'm still wondering what's the best way to manage the reports for tribe-6.05:49
mathiazThere is the ServerTesting team, that uses wiki pages for each model05:50
mathiazit's modeled after the LapTop testing team.05:50
nealmcbis it mainly about new servers, or do regressions happen often for older server hardware?05:50
mathiazboth05:50
sorenREally? Are there a lot of regressions?05:51
sorenI didn't know.05:51
mathiazthe more we have hardware coverage, the better05:51
dendrobatessometimes vendors repair older models with slightly different chip versions.05:51
mathiazwell. I still have to work on it.05:52
dendrobatesbut, I wouldn't think we would have many regressions.05:52
sorenSure, sure, but that's not a regression on our part. I was thinking more along the lines of stuff that worked on edgy which doesn't work on Gutsy.05:52
dendrobatesin the older hardware.05:52
dendrobatessoren: I know.05:52
dendrobatesI'm just talking about reasons to test the older models.  To a customer it is the same.05:53
mathiaz[TOPIC]  review documentor section05:53
MootBotNew Topic:  review documentor section05:53
mathiazsommer: what's the state of the wiki pages ?05:54
mathiazsommer: I've seen you've done some work on the server guide also.05:54
sommerI updated the page on Dovecot and added a page to configure Dovecot to use LDAP05:54
sorendendrobates: Sure.05:54
sommeralso sent a patch with some very minor changes for the official Dovecot Doc05:55
sommersort of ran out of ideas after that on what to edit05:55
mathiazsommer: I've used it to setup a dovecot. It worked :). Thanks for your help.05:55
sommerstarted looking through the CategoryCleanup articles05:55
sommermathiaz: welcome :)05:56
mathiazsommer: is there a lot of server related pages in the cleanup category ?05:56
sommerThere really didn't seem to be to many05:56
mathiazhum.. may be we could target the server guide then.05:57
sommerCategoryCleanup looked mostly to be desktop things, but I haven't look very close05:57
mathiazI'm still pointing people to the server guide to install basic tasks.05:57
mathiazSo it may worth checking the server guide is up to date for gutsy.05:58
sommerSince PHP5 is the current Bug theme I can look through and work on updated any guides for PHP.05:58
mathiazsommer: that seems great... :)05:58
dendrobatesI will certainly need to update any info on ldap auth05:58
mathiaz[ACTION]  sommer will look through the documentation to update php5 related pages.05:59
MootBotACTION received:  sommer will look through the documentation to update php5 related pages.05:59
sommerI also think a gutsy server guide review is a good idear05:59
mathiazsommer: could you list the wiki pages that would need to be updated in the roadmap ?05:59
mathiazsommer: so that people can start working on it if they want.05:59
sommermathiaz: sure05:59
mathiaz[TOPIC]  review the developer corner06:00
MootBotNew Topic:  review the developer corner06:00
mathiazsommer: thanks.06:00
mathiazfor AppArmor, I'm blocked on the latest version of the kernel06:00
mathiazthere are some problems with unionfs and the live cd.06:01
sommerso is AppArmor going to be part of gutsy?06:03
mathiazsommer: it's already there.06:03
mathiazsommer: it's just not the latest version.06:03
sommerah...AppArmor is on my list of things to learn06:03
mathiazsommer: there is a guide on help.ubuntu.com06:04
mathiazsommer: you're welcome to read through it and poke around.06:04
dendrobatesAs for ebox, we have decided that there is not enough time to get it ready for Gutsy, so it is deferred.06:04
dendrobatesBut soren is still working on it, and can give us updates.06:04
sorenWell, I haven't really looked at it since I got home from my honeymoon. Um..06:06
dendrobatesI don't mean an update now.06:06
dendrobatesI mean going forward.06:06
sorenWell, major parts of it are ready, but there are a few obstacles in the way, that makes it impossible for me to upload certain parts of it.06:06
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sorenI may keep working on it during the gutsy cycle (in my own time), but as dendrobates said, it's deferred for now.06:06
sorendendrobates: Oh, I thought that was my cue. :)06:07
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dendrobatesI had only told you, so I needed to say something.06:07
mathiazok. we're running out of time.06:07
jdstrandmathiaz: soren's comments about tasks gave me an idea regarding the file server tasks.  If you don't mind, I'll send the email to the ml.06:07
mathiazjdstrand: ok.06:08
dendrobatesjdstrand: Go ahead.06:08
mathiaz[ACTION]  jdstrand will send a email to the ml regarding the file server task06:08
MootBotACTION received:  jdstrand will send a email to the ml regarding the file server task06:08
dendrobatesanything else, before we go?06:08
mathiazNext meeting will be held in two weeks06:10
mathiazsame time, same place.06:10
nealmcbwho is organizing the doc day?06:10
sorendendrobates: Ah, ok. I've blogged about it, too.06:10
dendrobatessoren: cool06:11
mathiaznealmcb: I'll send an email about it.06:11
nealmcbcool06:11
mathiaz[ACTION]  mathiaz will organize the doc day.06:11
MootBotACTION received:  mathiaz will organize the doc day.06:11
nealmcb:-)06:11
nealmcbmathiaz: you're doing a great job!06:12
mathiazAlright. Thanks all for your attention.06:12
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sorenSee you next time!06:12
mathiazSee ya in two weeks.06:12
sommerlater all06:12
jdstrandbye!06:13
keescookbye06:13
mathiaz#endmeeting06:13
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mathiaznealmcb: thanks.06:13
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mjg59Ok, just waiting to see if anyone else is actually going to turn up...09:04
stgraber@schedule Zurich09:04
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Zurich: Current meeting: Technical Board | 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team09:04
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Davieymjg59: It's okay.. i'm here now - we can start :D09:08
mjg59Looks like we don't have enough members to be quorate, I'm afraid09:09
mjg59mdz is busy at a mobile meeting in the US, I haven't heard anything from Scott or Mark09:09
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popeythats a shame09:11
mjg59And don't seem to have current phone numbers for either of them09:11
popeyI have scotts09:13
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DavieyI'm suprised mdz isn't here for this meeting09:17
mjg59He's stuck in a meeting in Boston09:17
mjg59Scott's in the gym09:17
mjg59(He thought we were next week)09:17
mjg59So I think we'll have to defer09:17
Daviey2 weeks time?09:17
mjg59Probably, yes09:18
mjg59Sorry about that!09:18
popeynp09:19
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sabdflhi all10:14
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sabdfldid i get the time wrong?10:14
Mithrandirabout an hour wrong, yes.10:15
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sabdflall done?10:22
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popeypostponed10:23
popey20:17:40 < mjg59> So I think we'll have to defer10:24
popey20:17:55 < Daviey> 2 weeks time?10:24
popey20:18:12 < mjg59> Probably, yes10:24
popey20:18:38 < mjg59> Sorry about that!10:24
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