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nixternalhttp://www.break.com/index/a-real-ninja-turtle.html12:39
nixternalhaha12:39
nixternald'oh, wrong channel12:39
nixternaloh well, enjoy, it is quite funny12:39
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nixternalhaha, I have never really looked at this site, there is some really funny things12:41
=== norsetto will not be tempted on the evil side ...say no to flash
nixternalhttp://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=28375612:46
nixternalthere you go, no flash, straight picture12:46
nixternalthe new pony award?12:46
LaserJockoh my12:47
=== ajmitch eagerly awaits the next round of golden ponies
LaserJockhmm, yeah12:48
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LaserJockyeah, yeah12:50
nixternalthat and the "behind *" stuff that has been quiet again12:50
nixternaldamn, ajmitch beat me to it12:50
ajmitchit's only been 3 months :)12:50
superm1am i still the last behind motu?12:50
superm1wow.12:50
ajmitchsuperm1: yep12:50
LaserJockwell, I don't know if people cared too much about it12:50
ajmitchwe've all been holding our breath since then12:50
LaserJockheh12:51
LaserJockdoubtful12:51
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LaserJockI mean, there interesting little tidbits12:51
LaserJockbut it's hard to get a decent interview out of them12:51
LaserJockand then there's Ubuntu Backstage12:51
LaserJockwhere I'm supposed to be putting Behind MOTU stuff12:51
nixternalLaserJock: I read all of the "behind *" stuff for all the projects that have them..it is cool getting a glimpse into the people who you work with and what not online and haven't gotten to meet just yet12:52
nixternalonly MOTU I have met so far is superm112:53
LaserJockok fine12:53
superm1only MOTUs i've met are dholbach, nixternal and keescook :)12:53
LaserJockyou got me12:53
LaserJocklet's see, I've met quite a number12:53
LaserJockajmitch of course12:54
=== ajmitch has met 1 or 2
alvincHey there.  Do we have any apt gods online right now?12:55
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superm1nixternal, your turn12:55
alvinc:)12:55
Kamping_Kaiserlol. LaserJock got owned12:55
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nixternal;p12:55
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LaserJockhah12:56
alvinclol12:56
alvincAnyhoo....12:56
Kamping_Kaiserhehe12:56
alvincI'm trying to apt-get the FAI sources from Etch.  did the whole apt-key and sources.list thing, but it's giving me headaches12:56
alvincFAI on Feisty is....  suboptimal.12:56
alvincI'm looking to fix it, and hopefully submit it back12:56
ajmitchfor FAI, you want to talk to siretart if he's around12:57
alvinclol.  how do you send private tells here?  ;)12:57
Kamping_Kaiseralvinc, you need to identify first12:58
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alvinci are n00b.  how do i do that?  ;)12:58
norsettog'night ppl12:59
ajmitchor you could send an email :)12:59
alvincnod.  if i knew how to get his e-mail addy.  :)12:59
Kamping_Kaisersearch him up on launchpad :)01:00
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AndyPor sleep-hacking01:01
RAOFbigon: I'm here now01:01
bigonRAOF: the dropped patch has been applied upstream01:01
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TheMusoajmitch: Oh so you are thinking of sticking around now01:04
TheMuso:p01:04
ajmitchTheMuso: maybe01:04
alvincthanks you guys, by the way.  i've send siretart an e-mail on his registered addy01:05
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ajmitchwe'll see01:05
RAOFbigon: Cool.  You probably want to mention that in the changelog :)01:05
alvincbah.  relay access denied from gmail to his e-mail addy.  *sigh*01:05
TheMusoajmitch: You know you want to.01:06
ajmitchTheMuso: I don't really know that, actually01:06
TheMusoajmitch: Of course you do.01:08
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luisbgI need someone to check and advocate a very simple package I have sent to REVU. It's already checked by an other MOTU01:23
luisbgbut I need two advocates01:23
luisbganybody up for it?01:23
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luisbgTheMuso, <silence>01:40
luisbgnobody wants to do the good action of the day ;)01:40
TheMusoProbably everybody is busy.01:45
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luisbgajmitch, =) hello01:46
luisbgI will wait half an hour or so01:46
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luisbgafter that a mail to the mailing list will be the better option01:46
luisbgjsgotangco, heyyy01:46
ajmitchhello luisbg01:46
jsgotangcohi01:46
ajmitchjsgotangco: happy birthday01:46
luisbgjsgotangco, you a motu? happy birthday!!!01:47
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jsgotangcoheh thanks01:47
jsgotangcono im not im a lurker here01:47
nixternalhappy birthday jsgotangco!01:47
ajmitchhe is far above such things01:47
nixternal17:30:32 [ highvolta]  if jsgotangco pops up, remember to wish him happy birthday01:47
nixternaljsgotangco: that is from #ubuntu-devel01:48
jsgotangcoheh01:48
jsgotangcothat's facebook for ya01:48
nixternalhehe01:48
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nixternaljsgotangco: you talk to your parents after our tornadic week last week?01:48
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nixternalyour family rather...forgot they are all still around here01:48
TheMusoHey jsgotangco. Happy birthday.01:48
jsgotangcoyes01:48
jsgotangcoi actually have a fever today01:49
jsgotangcowell recovering but still feverish01:49
nixternalsmokin'! :)01:49
luisbgnixternal, you a motu?01:50
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nixternalwhat's a motu?01:51
nixternal;p01:51
nixternalluisbg: what's up?01:51
luisbgnixternal, I need some checking of a package I sent to REVU01:52
luisbgit's already checked and advocated by TheMuso01:52
luisbgbut I need two01:52
luisbgto have a "pass"01:52
nixternallink me01:53
nixternalor tell me the package name01:53
luisbghttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7901:53
luisbgit's a very simple package01:53
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luisbgnixternal, any problems?02:00
nixternalbuilding it now02:03
luisbg=)02:04
luisbgthanks a lot02:04
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nixternalshouldn't there be a COPYING file in the main directory?02:05
TheMuso!away | Paddy_EIRE02:05
ubotuPaddy_EIRE: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines02:05
TheMusonixternal: No. I got a package like that one through into the archive without one.02:06
nixternalalrighty then, I will go ahead and upload it then02:06
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luisbgnixternal, yeeiii :)02:07
nixternaluploaded :)02:07
TheMusonixternal: all the package does is set up settings.02:07
TheMusoThere is no actual program in it.02:08
luisbgno upstream02:08
luisbgnixternal, thanks again02:08
nixternalya, I noticed nothing but .directory files02:08
luisbgTheMuso, to you too02:08
nixternalno problem luisbg, good job!02:08
TheMusoluisbg: Yes, but thats not the reason. If you look at ubuntustudio-look/icon-theme etc, they have COPYING files, for a reason.02:08
luisbgahhh I see02:09
luisbgnow universe admins will  have to look at it and upload it before freeze02:09
nixternalya, shouldn't icon packages contain the SVGs? I have noticed a couple of icon packages w/o svgs, and png is far from source02:10
TheMusoluisbg: Not universe admins, archive admins.02:10
TheMusonixternal: As far as I am aware, ubuntustudio's do, otherwise they wouldn't have got in.02:10
luisbgTheMuso, oops sorry02:10
nixternalI have to go through my logs and see the icon packages I looked at02:10
TheMusonixternal: Did you archive ubuntustudio-menu on revu? If not, I'll do it.02:11
nixternalyes02:11
TheMusook02:11
luisbg=)02:11
luisbganything more you guys need from me tonight02:13
luisbg1:13 am here02:13
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TheMusoluisbg: No.02:14
TheMusoThanks for your work.02:14
luisbg=)02:15
luisbga pleasure02:15
mok0If you guys feel like reviewing another one, I've got http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=119 waiting there...02:17
TheMusomok0: I will in a bit.02:23
mok0TheMuso: Great02:23
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leonel02:56
leonelcan any update to any package for gutsy universe  be uploaded  o is it too late ?02:57
sn9i think uvf got moved to this coming thursday02:58
leonelthis is because when I install python-psycopg2  pulls  python2.4  even when  python 2.5 is installed02:59
leonelso I'm searching  why this happens  and trying to fix it03:00
leonelit needs  egenix-mx-base  and  the package name is   python2.4-egenix-mxtools03:01
TheMusolionel: If its not a new upstream version, any bugfixes can be uploaded without approval at this point.03:02
leonelpython-egenix-mxtools  pulls python 2.403:02
TheMusos/lionel/leonel03:02
leonelthanks  TheMuso03:02
TheMusosn9: And What makes you say that?03:02
TheMusoleonel: Welcome.03:03
sn9it was said in this channel recently03:03
sn9in the /topic03:03
TheMusosn9: Got a reference? If so, it would have been officially announced, which it hasn't been.03:03
TheMusoWhat is in the topic is for new package freeze, which is different to UVF.03:04
TheMusosn9: BTW, has that mplayer bug you talked about recently been addressed?03:04
sn9no03:04
TheMusook03:04
leonelbut  I can't  find  where   to change03:04
sn9and i would have thought new package freeze would come before uvf03:05
leonelfound  control:XB-Python-Version : ${python:Versions}03:05
TheMusoleonel: I'm in the middle of something atm, but I'll probably get a chance to look in a bit.03:05
leonelbut  where can I see where  to change that version03:05
leonelTheMuso:  thanks  no problemo03:05
TheMusosn9: No, its the other way round.03:06
TheMusoNew packages aren't likely to break the archive, whereas new upstream versions of packages are.03:06
sn9ok03:06
RAOFleonel: You're trying to change what version of python a package is built aganst?03:06
leonelRAOF:  egenix-mx-base      pulls  python 2.4  even  when  python 2.5 is installe03:07
leoneld03:07
RAOFleonel: In the archive right now?03:07
leonelyes03:08
leonelRAOF: this in  Gutsy03:08
mok0there ought to be both  egenix-mx-base-py25 and exgenix-mx-base-py2403:08
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sn9how's this for a new package? it's already debianized: http://omnibook.sf.net03:11
mok0ajmitch: that depends whether or not it contains an extension module03:12
RAOFThe control file seems both complex and apparently correct.03:13
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TheMusomok0: I'm going to leave a comment on revu with more comments, but not all the source files in kaksi have copyright statements.03:16
ajmitchmok0: sorry, we moved away from that model a year or so ago03:16
mok0TheMuso: I know. I contacted upstream a month ago, but havent heard03:16
zulevening03:16
ajmitchhello zul03:17
mok0TheMuso: Should I repackage tarball?03:17
TheMusomok0: Well this won't pass unless its fixed.03:17
mok0TheMuso: It's a simple fix, but upstream is silent. I could do it an repackage03:18
TheMusomok0: Anyway, comments on revu.03:18
mok0TheMuso: Thx a lot!03:18
TheMusomok0: But you don't know when they were written etc.03:18
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mok0TheMuso: I didn't notice variation in copyright year, did you?03:19
TheMusomok0: I didn't have a detailed look, but I still think just adding it without upstream's knowledge/permission is not right.03:20
mok0TheMuso: OK. I guess I'll have to pester them some more.03:20
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mok0TheMuso: Re: the rules file, you mean to delete the acknowledgement comment=03:24
mok0s/=/?/03:24
TheMusomok0: yes03:24
mok0Well g'night ppl!03:27
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RAOFWell, that's wierd.03:31
StevenKRAOF: ?03:31
ajmitchlet me guess, you rebuilt & it had the correct dependencies?03:31
RAOFajmitch: No.  I rebuilt it, and something's adding python2.4 & python2.5 dependencies.03:33
RAOFBut the control & rules files *look* ok, at least at the level of scrutiny I gave them.03:33
ajmitchit is interesting, isn't it?03:33
RAOFYes.03:34
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RAOFAnyway, I've got marking to do, which this has been a welcome, but guilty, diversion from :)03:34
StevenKHah03:34
StevenKRAOF: Just give them all zero?03:34
ajmitchsounds fair03:35
ajmitchor pick a number between 0 & 100, and fit a bell curve around that03:35
TheMusoheh03:35
tonyyarussoCould someone please explain the details of the following to me?:  What is the policy and process regarding updates to universe packages post-release, particularly for security fixes?03:38
StevenKajmitch: Hah03:40
ajmitchtonyyarusso: they get done if someone cares03:40
StevenKtonyyarusso: Prepare a debdiff, with the release set to -security, document the changes well in the changelog, mentioning any CVE numbers and/or bug numbers and then ask keescook, or pitti to look at it.03:41
StevenKThat is, presuming you want to do it. :-)03:41
ajmitchof course he wants to do it, he asked :)03:41
tonyyarussoStevenK: That sounds like what I need to know.  However, does debdiff use just patches or can you have a changed .orig.tar.gz to use?  (not familiar with debdiff yet)03:42
StevenKMake the changes as little as possible. I wouldn't touch the .orig03:42
tonyyarussoOkay.03:42
StevenKtonyyarusso: And debdiff is your friend.03:43
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sn9oh yeah? try gcc04:53
sn9and gibc04:53
sn9*glibc04:53
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StevenKsn9: So you mean, "Run Gentoo" ? :-P05:00
sn9hehe05:00
sn9i mean use ubuntu as a dev environment for embedded systems05:01
StevenKDear Telemarketer. If I say I'm not interested, this is a sign for you get off the phone and to stop trying sell me stuff. No Love, Steve05:04
RAOFHeh.05:05
StevenKRAOF: Are you ignoring the marking again? :-)05:05
tonyyarussoStevenK: Try bartering with them.05:05
RAOFDear Telstra.  No, I'm not going to join your network.  Not unless you pay out my existing contract, and provide me with an iPhone.05:06
RAOFStevenK: Marking has been done.  Really :)05:06
tonyyarusso"Long-distance telephone eh?  I'll swap you a microwave and some old shoes."05:06
RAOFSome :)05:06
StevenKRAOF: I wouldn't pick you being a Steve Jobs fanboy. :-P05:06
tonyyarussoajmitch: Are you around by any chance?05:07
RAOFStevenK: Eh, it looks cool.  Also, macs make shiny hardware :)05:07
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RAOFJust sadly not at the particular level that I want my laptop to be05:08
StevenKRAOF: That is to say, cheap? :-)05:08
sn9get an openmoko fic neo1973 then05:08
RAOFtonyyarusso: You can check out xserver-xgl :).05:08
RAOFsn9: That would indeed be cooler.05:08
tonyyarussoRAOF: I wouldn't really understand what I'm looking for though...I'd really appreciate someone taking a few moments to explain it if possible.05:08
sn9or, if you're a kubuntu person, qtopia greenphone05:09
RAOFtonyyarusso: I'll hunt down a weblink...05:09
tonyyarussoawesome05:09
StevenK"No, you can't call me. I'm reflashing my phone. Yes, I'm wearing pants, why do you ask?"05:09
ajmitchtonyyarusso: no05:09
tonyyarussoajmitch: Ok ;)05:09
RAOFtonyyarusso: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~raof/xserver-xgl/ubuntu-raof/annotate/chalserogers%40gmail.com-20070815112605-k2y3axkh22au4rdu?file_id=rules-20070726235547-4x7rjjba8swpxwgr-805:10
RAOFWow.  That was a little bit longer than I was expecting :)05:10
RAOFtonyyarusso: You're after the clean: target - specifically the "config.sub" & .guess bit.05:11
StevenKHah. tinyurl FTW05:11
xtknightpfft.  you guys dont know what a *long* url is :P05:11
StevenKRAOF: Personally, I find copying it in clean to be disquieting. clean is supposed to undo what build did, not copy stuff from the host system.05:12
sn9i once pasted an internal google video url to the avi representation05:13
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sn9it took up half a page05:13
xtknightsn9, oh i hate those.  why does google do that *smacks head05:13
tonyyarussoRAOF: Okay, so if I understand that correctly, it says something along the lines of, "if in the process of cleaning you find any files named config.guess or config.sub, replace them with the version in /usr/share supplied by the autotools-dev package from the build-deps", and I should be able to directly copy-paste that code into another package.  Is that right?05:13
StevenKtonyyarusso: Right.05:13
tonyyarussoSweet - I kinda understood a bash line!05:14
StevenKifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""05:14
StevenKThat's make, not bash05:14
tonyyarussooh05:14
tonyyarussoWell, I kinda understood _something_, somehow05:14
StevenKif [ -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub ] ; then05:14
StevenKThat's shell. :-)05:15
tonyyarussoStevenK: So your personal preference would be to have the same code, but in the build rule?05:15
RAOFStevenK: You'd prefer it in configure?05:15
StevenKRAOF: Right.05:15
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nixternalmake one :)05:18
tonyyarussonixternal: Would I just put that line in it, and how would I reference to run it?  (debian/rules is my weaker point here, so try to bear with me)05:19
nixternalwhat are you trying to configure?05:19
tonyyarussoIt's KompoZer, a Mozilla-derived product.05:19
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nixternalahh, that is the app replacing nvu until someone picks it back up right?05:19
tonyyarussonixternal: correct05:20
nixternalare you using cdbs?05:20
tonyyarussoNo, debhelper.05:21
RAOFStevenK: Hm.  But if you do it in configure, not clean, you'll end up with the lintian error tonyyarusso was getting originally, right?05:22
nixternalyou have a line in rules like 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk'?05:22
tonyyarussonixternal: grep include rules returns no results05:23
tonyyarussogrep debhelper just gives "# Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper."05:23
nixternalahh, OK05:23
nixternalhow do you need to run configure?05:23
xtknightshould debian/*.manpages contain ALL man pages in debian/manpages?05:23
xtknightshouldn't*, i suppose since i found a package (hugin) where this is not the case05:24
tonyyarussonixternal: I don't know.05:24
nixternalyou can just run the configure stuff if need be under build-stamp:05:25
nixternalbbiaf...need to take the dog out05:25
tonyyarussoOh, ok.  build-stamp I have.05:26
tonyyarussoRAOF: but you think anything other than rules will still give the lintian error after it's fixed?  (ie, a lintian bug or something?)05:26
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xtknightwhat's the difference between a manual ending in .1 and .2, .7, etc?05:35
xtknightlol never mind should have looked at the manual for man, right there is a big table :(05:36
tonyyarussohaha05:36
imbrandonwhy are games not considered a executable05:41
imbrandonkinda strange05:41
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xtknightlinus associated executables with troubles and compilation errors, and games with fun?  i dunno05:43
StevenKI daresay it's a unix-ism, as opposed to a Linux thing05:45
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imbrandonyea because i doubt linus had a hand in designing -man- or much for that matter outside the kernel and or a gnome patch or two05:46
StevenKimbrandon: Um? Git?05:47
imbrandonheh ok ok, you win , but still not man05:47
imbrandon;)05:47
xtknighthe started the kernel of the most popular unix desktop OS  today, but that's it, nothing more.  darn lazy bastard :P05:48
ajmitchwell git probably consists of 25% of the man pages by sheer weight of binaries05:48
imbrandonlol05:48
StevenKBwahahaha05:48
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imbrandonbzr-import-git is all i need ( no idea if it even exists )05:49
StevenKI was looking at importing our (6Gb) CVS repository into bzr at $WORK05:49
StevenKI managed to shoehorn it into SVN. It turns out that SVN *really* doesn't like a directory with >15,000 entries.05:50
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xtknightshouldn't debian/*.manpages contain ALL man pages in debian/manpages/*?05:52
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RAOFimbrandon: Strangely, I don't think bzr git-import *does* exist.06:03
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TheMusoc06:25
TheMusough06:25
tonyyarussoooF?06:26
TheMusotonyyarusso: long story06:27
tonyyarussoTheMuso: aren't they all?06:27
TheMusoheh06:27
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RAOFAmaranth: Got a minute to discuss Xgl?06:58
AmaranthRAOF: maybe06:58
RAOFI'm just wondering whether I should stop messing with session files and just stick a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d to start & use Xgl all the time.07:00
RAOFBecause rather a lot of stuff gets started automatically by Xsession before a session script can mess with it.07:01
RAOFThis manifests most annoyingly by seahorse being unable to display a passphrase entry dialog.07:01
RAOFAnd hence GPG dying.07:01
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RAOFWhereas I *could* stick a script in Xsession.d to startup Xgl & set DISPLAY and then let the rest of the session do it's thing on the right server.07:03
RAOFWith the small downside that you'd need to uninstall Xgl to stop using it :)07:04
RAOFAmaranth: So basically I'm wondering how annoying it would be to have an always-07:07
RAOFon xgl07:07
sn9xgl should just die07:08
RAOFNot until nvidia get their crap together.07:08
sn9it can't work right -- by design07:08
RAOFPlease expound07:09
sn9i spent a couple of weeks trying to get it to work with fglrx07:09
RAOFsn9: You're welcome to make Glucose work, of course :)07:09
RAOFsn9: Should be easy.07:10
sn9eventually, i gave up and settled for no tv-out with the free driver and aiglx07:10
RAOFAlso, that's hardly broken by design :)07:10
sn9anything requiring xgl is by definition broken by design, like fglrx07:11
RAOFThere's nothing that requires Xgl.07:11
RAOFAlso, that's rather different from 'xgl is broken by design' ;)07:11
sn9fglrx does, if you want beryl/compiz07:11
RAOFSo, yes, Xgl provides features that fglrx doesn't.07:12
sn9xgl is designed such that you cannot run any kind of window manager with it, and that's brokenness07:13
RAOFThat is 100% untrue.07:13
RAOFXgl is designed to be a faster X server than Xorg.07:13
RAOFFaster/easier to write drivers for.07:13
sn9fglrx requires xgl for beryl/compiz, ergo fglrx is also broken07:13
RAOFsn9: The fact that the fglrx driver has bugs which make performance under Xgl suck without a composite manager is not Xgl's fault :)07:14
RAOFBut I'm not going to argue against the thesis "fglrx is crap" ;)07:14
RAOFIt's worse than even the nvidia drivers.07:15
sn9why would anyone run xgl without compositing? what other reason could there be to run xgl than beryl/compiz?07:15
RAOFTo have an OpenGL accelerated X server?07:15
sn9opengl is slower than no opengl07:16
RAOFDepends on the drivers.07:16
RAOFAlso, to allow people to *only* write 3d drivers, and get full 2d accel for free.07:16
RAOFAnyway, I seem to have lost the Amaranth :)07:17
sn9when i see glxgears not stall, i'll believe it's a driver issue07:17
RAOFglxgears is not a benchmark?07:18
sn9i mean visually07:18
RAOFSo turn on Vsync.07:18
sn9not the crap numbers it puts out07:18
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sn9so far, i've seen xgl slow things down with the following drivers: ati, nvidia, fglrx, savage07:19
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AmaranthRAOF: hi again :)07:21
xtknightwow "cc1plus" (c++ compiler) taking around 300M of ram?  isnt this extreme for everything, or normal depending on the pkg?07:21
sn9it was using libmesa rendering, but xgl made it even slower07:21
RAOFAmaranth: So, there's some backscroll way up there )07:21
xtknightwas at 550M at one point07:21
RAOFxtknight: *Only* 300MB of ram?07:21
sn9btw, gutsy is supposed to provide working dri for savage, but i have yet to try it07:21
RAOFxtknight: The C++ template system is turing complete.  It is famous for using a huge amount of ram & time to compile.07:22
AmaranthRAOF: sounds great07:22
xtknightah well i guess that other 2g im ordering this week will come in handy07:22
Amaranthi was wondering what was up with seahorse :)07:22
RAOFxtknight: Also, last time I tried to build Azureus, gcj would use 1Gb of ram + 4GB of swap, then OOM :)07:22
xtknightRAOF, ridiculous07:22
xtknightRAOF, i never had MSVC use anywhere near this07:23
sn9azureus can use gcj now?07:23
Amaranthsn9: it's accelerated indirect rendering07:23
Amaranthsn9: azureus in the archive uses gcj07:23
sn9azureus is in the archive now?07:24
RAOFAmaranth: The other option is to just work around it, by basically unsetting GPG_AGENT_INFO & running seahorse-agent again.07:24
Amaranthsince feisty07:24
AmaranthRAOF: eh, too many hacks07:24
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AmaranthRAOF: just make it the X server that even gdm works07:24
Amaranththat makes login smoother too07:24
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Amaranthor is that not what you meant?07:24
RAOFAmaranth: That's harder, and not what I meant :)07:24
Amarantherr, even gdm uses07:24
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Amaranthah, you mean just making it start before the other stuff in Xsession.d07:25
RAOFYes.07:25
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Amaranthsounds good07:25
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Amaranthless complicated for users too07:25
Amaranthliterally just install and go07:25
RAOFTrue.  No extra sessions, installing Xgl makes it just work.07:25
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AmaranthRAOF: really funny07:27
Amaranthi'm pretty sure my libeel patch is correct now but my nautilus patch got blown away by a package upgrade so i kept beating on libeel wondering what was wrong07:28
RAOFWooo!07:30
RAOFIs it likely that we'll have compiz-handled wallpaper, then?07:30
Amaranthwell, if you build and use the wallpaper plugin07:32
xtknightwait, did i hear something?  different wallpaper per screen?07:32
Amaranthhehe :)07:32
Amaranthxtknight: http://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20070826.png07:33
xtknightneed this, what is it?07:33
Amaranthnot ready yet07:33
xtknightcompiz/background or nautilus patch?07:33
Amaranththat reminds me, i need to clean up my compiz-python package07:33
RAOFI see you're using Glossy too :)07:33
Amaranthglossy?07:34
Amaranththe theme is clearlooks07:34
RAOFOh, gtk2 engine.07:34
xtknightwindow border?07:34
RAOFAh, not quite.07:34
RAOFAmaranth: Does that mean alpha-blended gradients etc are available?07:34
AmaranthRAOF: well, the current wallpaper plugin offers that07:35
RAOFAmaranth: And your patches basically allow the something else (such as the wallpaper plugin) to draw the wallpaper when available?07:37
xtknightany news on when nautilus/gnome itself will allow this?  without using compiz?07:38
AmaranthRAOF: yeah07:38
Amaranthxtknight: whenever someone can think up a decent GUI07:38
Amaranthbut this is better anyway07:38
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xtknightdecent GUI?  underlying functions dont even exist though07:38
Amaranthit should allow things like xwinwrap and xsnow to work07:38
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xtknightmaybe it could be put into displayconfig-gtk07:40
Amaranth*shrug*07:40
Amaranthno...07:40
xtknighti think most people would love just to have a file you could use for each screen (no gradients/solid colors but better than nothing)07:40
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Amaranthxtknight: that'd be dependent on my patch07:41
Amaranthxtknight: which means you'd need compiz07:41
xtknightactually as long as compiz can function without any of the effects i'm fine with that too.  the effects tend to be buggy here though07:42
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xtknightbut compiz still doesnt work with multiple screens, does it?  (only one big screen?)07:43
RAOFI'm not sure what you mean?07:44
RAOFAs long as you've got OpenGL on both screens, Compiz should work.07:44
xtknightwell last time i tried it, it wouldnt work when i was in multiple-desktop mode (actually thought this was confirmed as well)07:44
xtknightit worked fine with span mode07:44
xtknightjust prefferred the former and wondered if it had been fixed07:45
RAOFDo you get 3D on all screens in multiple-desktop mode?07:45
xtknightdirect rendering on both yes07:45
RAOFBecause I think (without proof) than many drivers don't like that much.07:45
RAOFxtknight: Hm.  Xinerama?07:45
xtknightusing nvidia proprietary07:45
xtknightnot xinerama just independent screens07:45
xtknighti see two screens in the Screen Resolution applet07:46
xtknightone is 1680x1050, other is 1280x102407:46
RAOFI *think* that last time I tried that it worked, but I don't try it very often :)07:46
xtknightcomposite-by-default is still "on the list" so to speak?07:47
Amaranthxtknight: unknown07:53
Amaranthbut i know one of the fusion guys uses multiscreen07:54
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tonyyarussoRAOF: So I tried using the ifneq stuff from that file you gave me, and when trying to build in pbuilder for some reason /bin/sh was trying to evaluate it as a shell command, rather than makefile syntax.  I put it in the build-stamp portion of rules.08:02
AmaranthRAOF: damn, same bug08:02
RAOFAmaranth: What bug?  Your patches fail to work?08:05
RAOFStevenK: Cool.  I bet it's a compiz effect :P08:05
Amaranthyeah, if the wallpaper plugin isn't enabled i get ghosts08:05
Amaranthbecause something isn't updating08:05
tonyyarussoRAOF: is build-stamp read differently from clean or something weird?08:06
StevenKRAOF: ENOCOMPIZ, so nyah08:08
RAOFtonyyarusso: I'm not sure.  It shouldn't be, as far as I can tell.08:08
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RAOFStevenK: Compiz is pretty advanced.  It's probably shimmering your LCD to tell you that you could enable it :P08:08
StevenKtonyyarusso: Did you tab/space it in? It shouldn't be.08:08
tonyyarussoStevenK: oh, yes, I did.08:08
StevenKtonyyarusso: A tab in a Makefile means "This is a shell command"08:09
tonyyarussoStevenK: Good to know08:09
tonyyarussoAll right, take 2.08:10
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TheMuso.c08:59
TheMusough08:59
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Tonio_hi09:20
ScottK2Hi09:23
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ScottK2coNP: Keep up the good work on revieiwing.09:24
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ScottK2Good night all.09:24
coNPHey ScottK2.09:24
coNPGood night...09:24
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Kamping_Kaiserbugger, DktrKranz isnt about. could someone look at bug 84487 ? i just attached an updated debdiff, hopefully in line with what Luca suggeseted09:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 84487 in backuppc "removing deb leaves symlink which causes apache to fail starting" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8448709:26
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coNPLongPointyStick, StevenK, soren: Sorry to bug you again, but I think it is really bad that we get no more responses for UVFes... bug 134623 and bug 134624 and bug 134625 is what I think of.09:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462309:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462409:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134625 in empathy "[UVFe]  Please update empathy to version 0.12" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462509:34
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sorencoNP: I still have 892 Launchpad e-mails after getting home from holiday. It takes a while :(09:50
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coNPsoren: okay, I really don't want to push any of your personally...09:51
coNPyou, even09:51
sorencoNP: Sure.09:52
RAOFcoNP: Haven't those been ACKd, pending review of the actual packages on REVU?09:54
coNPRAOF: ACKed but not confirmed. I need two ACKs09:56
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coNPRAOF: OTOH if the have been reviewed 2 MOTUs, no real REVU review is needed IMHO09:56
coNPthey, even09:56
RAOFcoNP: Ah, yes.  I was confused by the double ack on empathy :)09:57
coNPRAOF: yeah. But I cannot even compile it without the libs :)09:58
RAOFYes. :)-09:58
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BixenteHi10:00
RAOFBixente: Hi.  I haven't got around to your updated review yet.  I may get to it this evening, but maaaaaaaaaarking!10:00
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coNPHey Hobbsee10:01
Hobbseehi coNP10:01
BixenteRAOF: thanks :)10:01
HobbseeRAOF: yay, marking!10:01
RAOFHobbsee: Not yay!  I don't like giving out crap marks.10:01
HobbseeRAOF: awww....10:02
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HobbseecoNP: you can review, cant you?10:03
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Hobbseecool10:04
coNPGnome 2.19.91 is out, MOTU-UVF team has a luck today :)10:05
HobbseecoNP: motu-uvf's dont care - gnome's in main.10:05
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RAOFAnd don't new Gnome revisions automatically pass UVF?10:06
coNPHobbsee: I mean (1) I package these and won't bug you, (2) there are parts of Gnome in universe10:06
coNPHobbsee: BTW bug 134623 and bug 134624 are part of Gnome :)10:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462310:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462410:06
HobbseecoNP: true that10:06
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coNPRAOF: I guess so. Since our release cycle is bound to the GNOME one10:07
Hobbseeit would be expected to run the latest gnome10:08
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coNPIn fact there has been feature freeze in Gnome about the same time then we had that10:09
coNPNow they release bugfix releases10:09
superm1coNP, i've got one that i was working with today and revu'ed/advocated earlier if you want to keep up the tag team effort these past few nights and give it a look :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12210:09
coNPsuperm1: for sure10:09
coNPYoung MOTUs should work together :)10:09
superm1okay bed time for me now. :) have a good one10:10
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jono\sh: ping12:16
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gnomefreakdoes anyone hav ea spare PPC they can test a bug on? or a 386/686 they can test bug in iceape on?12:17
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jussi01gnomefreak: maybe TheMuso has a ppc...12:25
gnomefreakty ill check with him a bit later i have something i have to fix that i thought was fixed :(12:26
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AmaranthRAOF: you around?12:37
RAOFYes.12:38
RAOFMan, I wish I had a magical marking machine.12:38
RAOFAlso, a unicorn.12:38
RAOFAmaranth: Yes.12:38
RAOFAnd unicorn insurance.12:38
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AmaranthRAOF: join #ubuntu-desktop12:40
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tonyyarussoHi, I'm using a freshly rolled tarball from someone 7 timezones ahead of me, and things are complaining about "timestamp in the future".  Is there any way around this?12:44
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man-ditonyyarusso: touch12:45
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tonyyarussoman-di: Recursively?  I basically need to touch half the code tree.12:46
man-dias you need12:46
\shjono, ping12:47
\shaeh pong12:47
StevenKtonyyarusso: find . -type f -exec touch {} \;12:48
RAOFStevenK beats RAOF to it.12:48
tonyyarussoStevenK: ty12:49
Nicketonyyarusso: tar also has a --touch option, if that helps12:49
tonyyarussoNicke: ooh, that may be even better12:49
Nickeok :)12:50
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=== coNP reviews qtpfsgui
tonyyarussoStevenK: Was your question earlier an offer to possibly sponsor KompoZer upload?01:01
=== jussi01 thinks coNP is a machine today!!
coNPgthumb hates coNP today... time to get some QT love :)01:05
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jussi01coNP: kinda like Hobbsee style.... :P01:05
coNPYou can always learn from elder MOTUs01:06
coNPIf that is the right term01:06
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jussi01hehe, be careful with elder.... Fujitsu might eat you....01:07
jussi01:P01:07
coNPjussi01: why?01:08
jussi01coNP: iirc, Fujitsu is quite young....01:08
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coNPI mean MOTU-age, of course01:09
jussi01oh....hehehe01:09
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coNPThanks, jussi0101:10
jussi01:)01:10
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coNPHmm... I guess I can upload qtpfsgui01:12
tonyyarussoHow often does the REVU web page list update?  (ie, how long to wait after a dput)01:12
coNPtonyyarusso: long enough :)01:12
jussi01tonyyarusso: usually takes about 5 mins for me...01:12
coNPBut I think as soon as it got unpacked and get out of the incoming queue01:12
tonyyarussojussi01: hmm, 'k01:13
jussi01!revu01:13
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU01:13
jussi01Processing of uploads is done every 5 min. If your upload doesn't show up, please contact the REVU administrators by email ([MAILTO]  admin@tiber.tauware.de) or join the IRC channel #ubuntu-motu and talk to one of:01:13
jussi01there we are, every 5 mins01:13
tonyyarussoOh boo - I forgot the -sa flag01:14
jussi01hheh, thatll do it....01:14
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norsettohiyall01:22
jussi01hiya norsetto01:22
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Hobbseehi norsetto!01:25
norsettoHobbsee: \o/01:25
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TheMusojussi01, gnomefreak, whats up?01:27
jussi01TheMuso: gnomefreak needed someone to test a PPC bug...01:27
TheMusoah01:28
elmargolIs it safe to build 64bit packages on a 32bit host using pbuilder? (is that even possible?)01:29
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StevenKelmargol: No, I don't think it is possible.01:30
norsettoelamrgol: its not possible, not that I know01:30
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siretartelmargol: you could perhaps use qemu, and install ubuntu/amd64 in such a virtual machine. but that will be really dogslow01:33
coNPHey norsetto01:34
norsettocoNP: hiya!01:34
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elmargolIsn't there a solution for this? automatic building for feisty / gutsy 32 and 64 bit?01:36
norsettoelmargol: why not a PPA?01:36
elmargolPPA?01:36
coNPpbuilder-dist is something that makes this quite easy IIRC01:36
norsetto!ppa01:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ppa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:36
Kmoselmargol: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart01:36
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coNP!coc | norsetto :D01:36
ubotunorsetto :D: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/01:36
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elmargolKmos: is this service free?01:38
coNPelmargol: as beer01:38
norsetto!shutup | ubotu01:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about shutup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:38
Kmoselmargol: yeah, active it at your LP account01:38
norsettoyou see, the "guy" doesn't know anything about shut up .....01:38
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Hobbseeproblem solved.01:39
Hobbsee!beer01:39
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Hobbsee!beer01:39
Hobbseethere we go.01:39
tonyyarussoThe REVU e-mails the show up on the -motu mailing list; are those just forwards of something REVU automatically sends to you?01:40
tonyyarusso*that show up01:40
Hobbseetonyyarusso: they're the accepted mails for the ubuntu archive01:41
Hobbsee(which we then forward)01:41
Hobbseetonyyarusso: as in, they're almost the same as on gutsy changes.01:41
tonyyarussoHobbsee: Oh, so those are the packages that are already done, not ones that need reviewing?01:41
coNPHobbsee: why to ban ubotu ?01:41
StevenKHobbsee: You could have +q'd ubotu. :-P01:41
tonyyarussoStevenK: she did01:41
HobbseeStevenK: you might want to tell me what i did, then.01:41
Kmosit's better to ask seveas to remove the bot from here01:41
StevenKI thought ban was different from +q?01:42
Kmos:)01:42
coNPAre you sure you want to live without ubotu?01:42
TheMusoUbotu is too useful.01:42
Hobbseetonyyarusso: yeah  - as in, they've gotten thru revu01:42
tonyyarussoStevenK: note the %01:42
tonyyarussoHobbsee: got it01:42
HobbseeKmos: a) why wait for seveas, he's not even here at the moment.  b) i can just ban it.  c) i dont want to get rid of it permanently.01:42
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HobbseeStevenK: :)01:42
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coNP!beer01:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:42
KmosHobbsee: thanks better01:42
jussi01!coNP01:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about conp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:43
coNPActually I guess ubotu says nothing if you don't provocate it01:43
Kmosubotu: welcome back little boy01:43
Kmos:)01:43
Hobbsee!hobbsee01:43
ubotuI phear the stick so shhhhh01:43
HobbseecoNP: true01:43
Hobbsee!nixternal | nixternal01:43
ubotunixternal: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!01:43
TheMusoheh01:43
jussi01lol01:43
norsettoHobbsee: can we have a ppa entry added to it ?01:43
TheMuso!Hobbsee01:43
norsetto!jdong01:43
ubotujdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!01:43
Hobbseenorsetto: sure.  write one, it'll get sent for moderation01:43
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Hobbseenorsetto: !foo is <reply> bar01:43
norsettoHobbsee: where bar would be?01:44
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Hobbseenorsetto: <insert answer that you want to be given when !ppa is done>01:44
Hobbsee!foo01:44
ubotubar01:44
elmargolKmos: Can I build for old version of ubuntu too?01:45
Kmoselmargol: it's better you to ask at #launchpad01:45
Kmosi'm not credible01:45
Kmos=)01:45
norsettoHobbsee: ok, I thought that was <reply>01:45
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Hobbseenorsetto: ahhh.  no, that's a tag.  sorry, i keep forgetting about those who are not familiar with ubotuesque.01:45
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DarkSun88Hi all01:46
Fujitsuelmargol: Yes, you can build for any currently published version, I believe.01:46
elmargolthats nice!01:46
FujitsuAt least, I've seen people do it for {edgy,feisty,gutsy}01:47
StevenKCurrently supported published version?01:47
norsetto!ppa is <reply> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.01:47
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Hobbsee!ppa is <reply> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.01:47
ubotuI'll remember that, Hobbsee01:47
Hobbsee!ppa | norsetto01:47
ubotunorsetto: With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.01:47
Hobbseenorsetto: nice work :)01:47
tonyyarussoStevenK, any other friendly MOTU types:  Please review if you can - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12801:47
StevenKI'm not friendly.01:48
StevenK:-P01:48
Hobbseehehe01:48
tonyyarussoAh well, I'll take what I can get ;)01:48
StevenKAnd the md5sum is different! BAD tonyyarusso!01:49
tonyyarussoWhat??01:49
StevenKmd5sum of the .orig01:49
tonyyarussoI checked that before I started....01:49
tonyyarussoStevenK: the .orig and what else?01:50
StevenKd22a250ab624b9b3ef1cc07da32ec78a  kompozer_0.7.10.orig.tar.gz01:50
StevenKThat's what I had when I test built it for you.01:50
StevenK9dc04306a0b6fe148b2896e553443ad9 38503066 kompozer_0.7.10.orig.tar.gz01:50
StevenKAnd that's what the .dsc says01:50
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tonyyarussoStevenK: You mean yesterday?  It changed in the last few hours.01:50
StevenKWhy would the .orig need to change?01:51
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tonyyarussoKaze added something to the Credits.01:51
tonyyarusso(not by me)01:51
tonyyarussoJust a last-minute upstream mod.  _NOT_ anything about me futzing around with things.  :)01:52
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tonyyarussoA second - I'll show you the upstream one01:52
=== StevenK idly wonders if kompozer is even in the archive.
tonyyarussoStevenK: Don't need it - New package deadline isn't until Thursday01:52
StevenKAh, then it isn't even in the archive. Fair enough01:53
ograStevenK, it should replace nvu01:53
ograafaik01:53
tonyyarussoyes01:53
StevenKDidn't nvu get booted?01:53
tonyyarusso(although not Conflict: b/c apparently while slightly silly, you can in fact have both installed)01:53
ograin favore of kompzer01:53
ogra*favor01:53
nixternal!Hobbsee | Hobbsee01:54
ubotuHobbsee: I phear the stick so shhhhh01:54
nixternal:p01:54
tonyyarussoStevenK: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/kompozer/kompozer-0.7.10-src.tar.gz?modtime=1188302208&big_mirror=001:54
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StevenKtonyyarusso: You have a newline in your Build-Depends02:00
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FujitsuStevenK: Is that illegal now?02:00
tonyyarussoStevenK: noted02:00
StevenKtonyyarusso: I don't think Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} makes sense for kompozer-dev, it being Arch: all02:01
tonyyarussoStevenK: what would be better?02:01
StevenKFujitsu: Certainly not, but if he's already line-wrapped, he should be consistent.02:01
StevenKtonyyarusso: Well, does it need any?02:01
FujitsuStevenK: Ah, yes.02:01
tonyyarussokompozer: ^^ that's a question for you methinks02:01
kompozertonyyarusso: er, dunno - maybe kompozer-dev shouldn't have any build-deps?02:02
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tonyyarussokompozer: possibly02:03
tonyyarusso?02:03
tonyyarussoStevenK: is it common for -dev to be blank there?02:03
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StevenKtonyyarusso: Commonly, -dev will Depends: kompozer (= ${Source-Version})02:04
StevenKI'm not sure if that's the right syntax.02:05
StevenKAnyway, din-dins02:05
tonyyarussokompozer: Oh, this is the Depends, not Build-Depends, btw02:05
kompozeryes I understood02:06
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coNPHiya jwendell.02:06
jwendellHi, TheMuso02:06
TheMusojwendell: Hi.02:06
jwendellhi, coNP02:06
coNPjwendell: we commented http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2502:06
coNPThere is a kind of hurry :) if you want it to get into gutsy02:06
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jwendellyep, i did not understand the 2nd comment, from TheMuso02:07
jwendella lot of packages are identical to mine...02:07
jwendellcoNP, what's the deadline for gutsy?02:07
jussi01jwendell: 30th02:07
coNPAugust 30.02:07
jwendellhey, fernando, how are you going with vinagre?02:08
coNPjwendell: I guess you can fix it in one line02:08
jwendellcoNP, how?02:09
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kompozertonyyarusso, StevenK: should I use ${Source-version} or ${binary:version} for kompozer-dev?02:09
jwendelljust saying that the license can be found at /usr... ?02:10
coNPjwendell: I guess so. Ask TheMuso to be sure, though02:10
jwendellTheMuso, is that what you want?02:10
tonyyarussokompozer: Well, firefox-dev uses "Depends: firefox (= ${Source-Version}), libnss-dev (= 2:1.firefox${Source-Version}), libnspr-dev (= 2:1.firefox${Source-Version}" if that's an indication.02:11
kompozertonyyarusso: I read ${Source-Version} is deprecated http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-boinc-commits/2007-May/000331.html02:11
kompozertonyyarusso: uh02:11
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TheMusojwendell: What was the name of the package again?02:12
kompozertonyyarusso: in the KompoZer package, libnss and libnspr are already included02:12
jwendellTheMuso, evolution-rss02:12
TheMusoah thanks.02:12
tonyyarussokompozer: -dev is architecture: any, right?02:13
tonyyarussowait02:13
tonyyarussoOr is it all?02:13
tonyyarusso...02:13
tonyyarussoall, okay02:13
kompozertonyyarusso: I guess it's 'all' - or at least this was it with Nvu02:13
TheMusojwendell: Well, the copyright file states what license the package is under, but since the license never gets shipped with the package, there needs to be a pointer as to where users can find the license to read it.02:13
TheMusoSince the packaging is under a different license to the package itself, you should put a pointer to GPL-2 for the package.02:13
tonyyarussokompozer: Then use ${source:Version}, according to http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/replacing-Source-Version-substvar-ftopict487353.html02:14
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pochuAny English native speaker can tell me which sentence is better? http://pastebin.com/m6db44b9002:15
tonyyarussokompozer: Is >= or = more appropriate?02:15
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tonyyarussopochu: could use either really; I'd probably go with the latter.02:16
jussi01pochu: I would say the second one.02:16
kompozertonyyarusso: I guess = would be safer in case future versions of KompoZer don't include libnss / libnspr02:16
tonyyarussokompozer: good point.02:16
pochutonyyarusso, jussi01: thanks :)02:17
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TheMusoHeya pochu!02:17
jussi01:)02:17
jwendellTheMuso, can this be solved by putting this text after the license:02:17
jwendellOn Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General02:17
jwendellPublic License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.02:17
TheMusoWhat text were you thinking of?02:18
pochuhey TheMuso! It's been a long time.02:18
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TheMusopochu: Indeed.02:18
TheMusojwendell: Oh that text. Well thats not entirely correct. The package is GPL2.02:19
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tonyyarussokompozer: Okay, I'll do a new dput with that fixed.02:19
jwendellTheMuso, GPL is a slink to GPL2 ;)02:19
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kompozertonyyarusso: thx. debian/control committed02:20
TheMusoah of course.02:20
tonyyarussokompozer: (check the spaces thing mentioned in IM as well)02:20
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TheMusojwendell: In that case, I take back what I said.02:21
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jwendellTheMuso, isn't necessary i upload it again?02:22
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TheMusojwendell: If you say that you saw other packages in the archive with similar copyright files, and since GPL links to the GPL2, I think its fine.02:22
tonyyarussoAfter the initial REVU upload, you don't have to include the original source anymore, right?  (ie, leave off -sa)02:23
jwendellTheMuso, yep, thanks02:23
kompozertonyyarusso: debian/control just re-committed (there was a LF in the Build-Depends field)02:24
tonyyarussokompozer: Yeah, that too.  Did you catch the leading spaces note before disconnecting?02:25
kompozernope02:25
kompozertwo leading spaces in the decription fields are ok ?02:26
tonyyarussokompozer: You want one leading space, except on the line listing the URL of the sourceforge page, which should have two.02:26
TheMusoc02:26
TheMusough02:26
TheMusowrong window02:26
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kompozertonyyarusso: committed02:27
tonyyarussokompozer: coolio02:27
tonyyarussoShould have a new REVU URL momentarily.02:27
jussi01TheMuso: you have doen that several times now... lol02:28
TheMusojussi01: yeah I know.02:28
jwendellTheMuso, thanks :)02:29
tonyyarussoTheMuso: are you available to do reviews?02:29
TheMusotonyyarusso: Not any more, sorry. Got to get ready for a trip for tomorrow.02:30
tonyyarussoTheMuso: Okay.02:30
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xxxxx1mornin' all02:31
tonyyarussoHobbsee: and you said you didn't want to do reviews for this release, correct?02:31
mok0morning, xxxxx102:31
xxxxx1hey mok002:31
Hobbseetonyyarusso: ooh, yes, you may put those words into my mouth02:32
tonyyarusso:P02:32
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fernandohey all02:53
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xxxxx1dae fernando03:05
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StevenKtonyyarusso: You can just link to the licenses in debian/copyright.03:18
StevenKtonyyarusso: The README.Debian is completly pointless.03:18
StevenKtonyyarusso: Can't upstream include the manual page?03:19
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StevenKtonyyarusso: What's the purpose of kompozer-0.7.10/debian/kompozer.patch?03:19
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_MMA_Anyone know who heads Xubuntu at the moment?03:23
StevenKtonyyarusso: Why have #patch -p0 < debian/patches/amd64.patch in debian/rules? dpatch exists, and makes stuff like that brain-damagagingly easy.03:23
StevenKI think that's enough.03:23
StevenKNope, one more.03:24
StevenKtonyyarusso: If you're going to not call debhelper programs in debian/rules, remove the call, don't just comment it out.03:24
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norsettotonio_: I hope you didn't mind me asking in bug 127739?04:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127739 in nvtv "menu entry for nvtv has no icon" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12773904:11
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Tonio_norsetto: of course not04:15
Tonio_norsetto: btw I don't see how am I concerned :)04:15
norsettoTonio_: hmmm, well, you were assigned to that bug :-)04:16
Tonio_norsetto: indeed, looks like someone put that one to me :)04:18
Tonio_norsetto: strange, but reviewing the patch04:18
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Tonio_norsetto: looks like adding the icon requires a bit of work :)04:29
Tonio_norsetto: btw better assign the bug to the mot sponsor that to me, I don't even have an nvidia card to test if patch causes troubles... :)04:30
norsettoTonio_: well, you should talk to dholbach about it, he wanted you to look at it04:31
Tonio_norsetto: I know :)04:31
Tonio_norsetto: I'll ask him04:32
Tonio_norsetto: btw I won't upload something that has licence problem ;)04:32
norsettotonio_: thx, and sorry to bother you :-)04:32
Tonio_norsetto: no problem04:32
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gnomefreakTheMuso: are you still around?04:55
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desertcHello Masters of the Universe.  I realize your probably working on lots more important things, but I wanted to alert you to the LinCity-NG improvements of version 1.105:04
desertchttp://happypenguin.org/show?lincity-ng05:04
desertcPresently, Gutsy is slated to continue the version 1.0 release.05:04
desertchttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lincity-ng05:04
desertcLinCity-NG is a fantastic game, but if you've played it, then you know it needs polish.  This update adds some of that much needed elbow-grease!05:05
mok0desertc: The best is probably to file a "needs update" bug in LP05:07
Hobbseewe're in UVF, though05:08
Hobbsee!uvf05:08
ubotuuvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d605:08
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desertcmok0: Thank you for your response.05:09
bddebianHeya gang05:10
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pochuHello bddebian05:12
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bddebianHeya pochu05:12
desertcI posted a new bug for LinCity-NG.  I don't know if I did it right, so maybe someone could correct me and allow me to update it as needed:05:18
desertchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lincity-ng/+bug/13530505:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135305 in lincity-ng "Version 1.1 Available for Update" [Undecided,New] 05:18
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mok0desertc: thanks. Hopefully it will be dealt with soon -- it's too late for gutsy, though...05:23
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desertcmok0: That's a shame.  The new version has been out for a while. Out of curiosity, what is the process that is typical for packages to get updated?05:26
desertcIs it the package maintainer who checks for new updates, or is it the application dev who addresses a concern?  Who decided whether a new version is required as an update?05:27
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mok0Typically the maintainer would take care of upstream updates05:28
mok0desertc: ... and they will get a copy of your bug report05:29
desertcOh, I see - and also,  I noticed that Debian is also using 1.0.3-2.  Probably has something to do with it, too, huh?05:29
mok0desertc: perhaps that package is maintained in debian.05:30
mok0desertc: trying to find out, but the website is s-l-o-w...05:31
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mok0desertc: Yes, lincity-ng is imported directly from debian unstable05:33
mok0desertc: ... so you may want to file your bug report there, too.05:34
mok0desertc: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/05:34
desertcGames must be an annoyance for you all.  They update rapidly, users want the latest versions, they are resource hogs and problematic, and they get little respect as being "important".  But, I. for one, appreciate the effort!!05:34
mok0desertc: hehe I'm sure we all play games now and then...05:35
desertcI think there is already a bug request for an update on Debian, I'm not sure.  I am not familiar with their system:05:36
desertchttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=43903405:36
ubotuDebian bug 439034 in lincity-ng "lincity-ng: New upstream release" [Wishlist,Open] 05:36
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intellectronicahowdy!05:38
mok0desertc: it looks like v. 1.1 is now in unstable, which means it may have found its way into gutsy...05:38
intellectronicawho would be a good master to talk about inclusion of the stuff in http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian.html (an AMQP server written in Erlang) ?05:39
desertcmok0: THat's good to hear.  I guess it is all being addressed, after all.  Thanks for your help.05:40
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intellectronicaany ideas? is this something the uncommon languages team might be interested in?05:46
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mok0I don't even know what an AMPQ server is :-/05:50
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bddebianGah, looks like Mr. Corbier already fixed xmlrpc-c05:54
xtknightif it says "Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes:" generally does that mean they need to be applied again, or that they have been applied already?05:54
xtknightin changelog for a package05:55
bddebianThat usually means that they were re-applied05:55
xtknightok guess i'll check anyway05:56
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intellectronicamok0: AMQP is a messaging protocol. It's like Jabber but for machines.05:56
kompozerStevenK, tonyyarusso: sorry, just got back. The debian/kompozer.patch isn't necessary. It's only useful to test the build process.05:57
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intellectronicamok0: also see http://saladwithsteve.com/2007/08/future-is-messaging.html05:59
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mok0intellectronica: yikes, they'd better build som encryption into that!06:01
intellectronicamok0: into the protocol? i don't know much about it, but I think it is encrypted. anyway, i'm just asking on behalf of someone - i'd like to help them get their packages into universe, but don't know who's most likely to be interested in getting involved06:03
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mok0intellectronica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/UncommonProgrammingLanguages/Erlang06:05
mok0... but it looks like it's not active06:05
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intellectronicamok0: yes, i don't think it's very active, and i didn't manage to get in contact with any of the people registered as part of the team on LP06:06
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mok0intellectronica: Hmmm. Isn't there an implementation in another language? Python?06:08
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intellectronicamok0: there's a competing implementation in Java called QPid - Rabbit itself has a server in Erlang and client libraries in Erlang, Java, Python and C#06:09
mok0Why not package it yourself? You can get help in this forum -- although I don't know how many know about Erlang06:10
intellectronicamok0: well, the guys have already prepared .deb packages, so i guess it's just a matter of reviewing them and getting someone to include them, no?06:11
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mok0Yup, that's right06:12
mok0You upload the package to REVU06:12
mok0... and ask for review right here06:12
intellectronicamok0: thanks! i'll pass the information on and see if i can help them with any necessary fixes.06:14
mok0intellectronica: hope it works out!06:15
bigoncould someone have a look at the patch I've made for bug #13460706:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134607 in bzr-builddeb "WARNING: the 'deb822' top-level module is *DEPRECATED*, please use 'debian_bundle.deb822'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13460706:16
bddebianGah maybe it's just time to fully turn in my MOTU badge..06:17
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xtknightbigon, set the bug to confirmed if you have a proposed patch06:19
mok0bigon:  Looks ok from just looking at the latest patch06:19
Hobbseebddebian: no.  do some reviewing.06:19
bddebianHobbsee: I don't think I should do anything anymore :-(06:19
xtknightwould some kind soul look at Bug 135111 ? ;)06:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135111 in ubuntu "[UVFe]  hugin svn needs packaged for qtpfsgui" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13511106:20
Hobbseextknight: is motu-uvf subscribed?06:30
xtknightHobbsee, yup06:30
Hobbseethen wait06:30
Hobbseebddebian: yes you should.  get to it.06:33
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bddebianHobbsee: Not after the xmlrpc-c fiasco :'-(06:34
Hobbseebddebian: just try.06:34
Hobbseebddebian: the reviews will have a second ack06:34
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geserHi bddebian06:45
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bddebianHeya geser06:56
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norsettobddebian: go Barry go! <insert here a weaving flag emoticon>07:03
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bddebianHello norsetto07:09
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xxxxx1hey bddebian07:17
Toadstoolbddebian: don't blame yourself too hard for the xmlrpc-c thing :/07:20
bddebianHeya xxxxx1, To07:22
bddebianErr Toadstool07:23
Toadstool:)07:23
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bddebianToadstool: I do blame myself and I just don't get it :-(07:41
Toadstoolbddebian: blah, screwing up once in a while doesn't mean that your work is not overall valuable, sh*t happens, believe me ;)07:43
Toadstoolwe *need* you!07:43
bddebianI highly doubt that. :-(07:44
Toadstooloh c'mon, you know better07:44
pygibddebian, be shhhh :P07:44
Toadstoolbddebian: 207:46
Toadstoolhmpf07:46
Toadstoolsorry :)07:46
bddebianHuH? :-)07:49
tuxmaniacbddebian, wtf is wrong with you. You are my mentor07:50
pygituxmaniac, just kick him07:50
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bddebiantuxmaniac: You are sick then :-)07:51
Toadstoolbddebian: 'twas supposed to be something like /window 2 but I have a hard time synchronizing my hands and my brain this early in the morning ;)07:51
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tuxmaniacbddebian, heh.07:51
bddebianToadstool: Ah :-)07:51
mok0Toadstool: Irssi user, huh...07:52
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bddebianHmm, I see my pw no longer works on REVU08:10
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geserbddebian: the new one? REVU started with fresh passwords for everyone08:31
bddebiangeser: Yar I found that thanks, but recover doesn't work for me.. :-(08:32
geserwait for Hobbsee or siretart08:33
bddebianpfft, I have no patience.. :-)08:33
jussi01doesnt the "recover" work?08:35
bddebianDoesn't seem to for me, I just get a blank page08:36
jussi01oh...08:36
jussi01ok then08:36
mok0bddebian: I had to upload a package first08:37
bddebianWell I should say I get the gpg insructions text but no string08:37
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bddebianWell jeliza has a few errors08:55
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tonyyarussokompozer: Did you see StevenK's other 5 statements as well?09:15
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tonyyarussoStevenK: When you say I can just link to the licenses, I was told before that GPL/LGPL need just the preamble and a link to their /usr/share/common-licenses location, but pretty much everything else needs the full license text included.  I believe that's straight out of the Debian Policy actually.09:16
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tonyyarussoStevenK: "Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file /usr/share/doc/package/copyright." (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightfile) was my basis for that belief.09:23
kompozertonyyarusso: no I didn't see StevenK's other statements09:31
tonyyarussokompozer: I'll grab 'em - a sec09:31
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tonyyarussokompozer: 1) You can just link to the licenses in debian/copyright. [I don't think this is true...trying to follow up] , 2) The README.Debian is completly pointless. - this is true, perhaps I can find some legitimate way to expand it, 3) Can't upstream include the manual page? [I'm not sure if he's talking about kompozer-config lacking one here, or that it's in debian/ only - don't know] , 4) Why have #patch -p0 < debian/patches/amd64.pa09:34
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tonyyarussoLet me know if that got cut off..../me can never remember the IRC character limit09:34
sn94) Why have #patch -p0 < debian/patches/amd64.p09:35
sn9the limit is also client-dependent09:35
tonyyarussosn9: I used it before I really knew a better way and was testing, and I think that commented line is just a relic from an old testing version of the rules file.09:36
tonyyarussosn9: I don't understand your second line though09:36
sn9"/me can never remember the IRC character limit"09:36
kompozer4) is useless now, that's why it's been commented out. Removed.09:36
tonyyarussosn9: oooh.  'k09:36
sn9i was echoing the last part of what was visible from you in the first line09:37
tonyyarusso...amd64.patch in debian/rules? dpatch exists, and makes stuff like that brain-damagagingly easy. [This is from last spring I believe, and as it's commented out anyway, should probably just be removed.] , 5) If you're going to not call debhelper programs in debian/rules, remove the call, don't just comment it out. [Also valid] 09:38
kompozerok I've read tthem all now09:39
kompozeramd64.patch is already applied09:40
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kompozerin fact as I develop on Dapper, there's no specific patches to apply - the kompozer.patch is just a build tool that allows to launch KompoZer from its build directory for testing purposes09:40
kompozerso it's not applied, I can remove it09:41
tonyyarussoah, ok09:41
tonyyarussokompozer: You can keep it in SVN if you wish - I'll just remember to not include that.09:41
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kompozertonyyarusso: ok. I've also removed all commented lines. I guess we don't need dh_installmenu either?09:43
tonyyarussokompozer: That's for the *.menu file, which we're using *.desktop in favor of, right?09:44
kompozertonyyarusso: I think so, yes09:44
tonyyarussoLikely correct then.09:44
kompozer(at least, it works without this line)09:44
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asactonyyarusso: who said the things in []  brackets?09:46
tonyyarussoasac: me09:46
kompozerhi asac09:47
asactonyyarusso: i have no idea what he wants to say with copyright09:47
tonyyarussoheh, ok09:47
asactonyyarusso: how do you isntall it?09:47
tonyyarussoasac: I think "cd mozilla && $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(ndir)" is the relevant line, see http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kompozer-0708281720/kompozer-0.7.10/debian/rules09:48
kompozerconfirmed09:49
asacwell .. but that doesn't install copyright, right?09:49
tonyyarussodh_installdirs, dh_install, and dh_link are also used.09:49
asacif you don't install it explicitly then i have no idea about 1)09:49
asacand it can probably be safely ignored09:49
asacsame for 5) (can be ignored) ... though a cleanup might be beneficial09:49
asac6) remove kompozer.patch from debian dir ... so diff.gz is stripped further down09:49
kompozerasac, tonyyarusso: 4) 5) 6) committed to SVN09:50
tonyyarussokompozer: great09:50
asac4) use quilt ... and not dpatch ... dpatch is brain-damanged for huge source trees like mozillas09:50
asackompozer: ok09:51
asackompozer: tonyyarusso: did you free the orig tarball from binary files?09:51
kompozerasac: yes09:52
asacdid you include the script you use?09:52
asacmight be beneficial09:52
asace.g. include remove.nonfree (if you take the one from iceape)09:52
kompozerwhat script?09:52
asaclook in iceape debian/ dir ... there is a remove.nonfree09:52
asacmaybe you missed a bunch :)09:52
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asackompozer: if you cleanup orig.tar.gz balls you have to indicate that in the upstream version09:53
asackompozer: otherwise people will not see that you did it and forget in case they take over or do a NMU09:53
asackompozer: e.g. 0.7.10+dfsg09:53
asacas upstream version09:53
kompozerasac: I might have misunderstood you. By "cleaning" I understood  make clean && make distclean . Did you mean something else?09:54
asacno09:55
asacremove all binary files without sources09:55
asaca good start is the iceape remove.nonfree script09:55
asacit should remove 200 files or so09:55
asacthen create a new tarball ... with the version above09:55
asacso you indicate that the tarball we ship is a stripped/repacked tarball because of nonfreeness09:55
kompozerasac: I didn't even know there were binaries in the source tarball09:56
asacyeah take a look at remove.nonfree09:56
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asacthere are even binaries that have no source09:56
asacwhich is the main concern here09:56
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asackompozer: otherwise you will end up in bug 12173409:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121734 in thunderbird "orig.tar.gz has binary-only files" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12173409:59
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kompozerasac: ok, I got the remove.nonfree from IceApe 1.0.1010:00
tonyyarussoasac: Is there any harm done to the program for Debian users from those being missing?10:00
asacno they are windows and mac files10:00
asacplus non-free branding files10:01
asacif kompozer branding is non-free you should do something about it10:01
asacbut i don't know10:01
tonyyarussook10:01
kompozerkompozer's branding is free10:01
kompozerincluding the logo10:01
asacok ... its not in other-licenses folder?10:01
asaciirc the nonfree script will remove that folder completely10:01
kompozerno10:01
asacok10:01
asacthen there should be no impact10:01
asacit might be that you have some files that iceape don't know about though10:02
asacbecause you are from 1.7 branch10:02
asacand the iceape above is 1.810:02
kompozerdo you know a command line to find all executables?10:02
asacwell ... binary data maybe: find -type f | xargs -iI file I | grep -i data10:03
asacrefine the grep at the end10:03
kompozerthanks10:03
asacbut i think you need to modify it somehow10:03
asacit probably won't print the filename10:04
asacwell ... binary data maybe: find -type f | xargs -iI file I | grep -B2 -i data10:04
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asacmaybe10:04
asacto see more context for each match10:04
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cavedonhi all! I am the co-maintainer of wengophone on Debian; I would like to start supporting it on Ubuntu; I realized that sync from Debian was stopped by an upload to ubuntu (made just to trigger recompilation10:09
cavedonwengophone in gutsy is 2.1.0, in Debian it is 2.1.110:09
pygicavedon, it's unlikely it can go in gutsy10:09
geser!info wengophone gutsy10:10
ubotuwengophone: SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0.dfsg-3build1 (gutsy), package size 6842 kB, installed size 18704 kB10:10
cavedonit is just a bufixrelease, however I saw Upstream Releases are frozen10:10
geserpygi: any reason why not?10:11
pygigeser, yea, it's UVF now :)10:11
gesercavedon: you need to get an exception if you want this version included10:11
cavedonpygi: I could start making bugixes10:11
pygiright, UVF ... cassidy you can make a request for UVFE10:11
cavedonbut it would mean doing the same as the difference between 2.1.0 and 2.1.110:12
cavedonno new geatures have been added10:12
cavedonno new features have been added10:13
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mok0What10:13
mok0What's the version of wengophone in gutsy?10:13
cavedongeser: do you think an exception could be made? I know the procedure10:13
cavedon2.1.010:13
cavedonmok0: 2.1.010:14
pygicavedon, if no major changes, and if it wont introduce new bugs I dont see why not10:14
gesercavedon: if you have a good reason and the changes aren't big you could try, at worst motu-uvf says no10:15
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cavedonok, that would be good news; it would be mean a lot of bugfixes;10:15
cavedonpygi, geser: thanks10:15
kompozerasac: there was no equivalent 'remove.nonfree' script in Mozilla-1.7.8 (sarge), right?10:16
asackompozer: no10:16
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kompozerasac: can I consider using some brute force here, like removing mozilla/plugin, mozilla/sun-java, and so on?10:28
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asacplugin? whats in there?10:32
kompozerasac: oji10:32
kompozer(unused)10:32
asacthey are not non-free afaik10:34
kompozeryes exactly10:34
kompozerI could remove some whole directories to be sure I don't forget non-free files10:35
kompozerinstead of removing files one by one10:35
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kompozerasac: do we have sources to build 'mangle' in Linux?10:45
happyfaceCan anyone help me to install the package sun-java6-* on a persistent USB version of Feisty? I get this error when installing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414851 and this is my strace output: http://p.opsat.net/v/xi10:48
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asackompozer: no idea :)10:52
asacis it used?10:52
asacafaik its just garbage10:52
kompozerI don't even know what it's supposed to do10:53
kompozerso I'll try to clean it10:53
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jamesstansellhappyface: this seems likely to be related to your /cow issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/103933/comments/810:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103933 in sun-java6 "Java install via Add/Remove crashed" [Undecided,Confirmed] 10:57
happyfacehmm11:00
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happyface"Making sure that the /proc was correctly mounted in the chroot caused the error to go away."11:13
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happyfacedoes anyone know what that means?11:13
happyfacebug 10393311:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103933 in sun-java6 "Java install via Add/Remove crashed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10393311:13
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tonyyarussokompozer: Are you figuring that stuff out okay?11:47
kompozertonyyarusso: you mean, the non-free files?11:49
tonyyarussokompozer: yes.11:50
kompozerI'm gzipping an archive right now11:50
kompozerI've removed all files found by IceApe's remove.nonfree script + all Nvu/Linspire icons everywhere + some useless directories (Java, Calendar) that had trademarked icons and/or binaries11:51
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tonyyarussokompozer: sounds good11:53
DavieyHey.. slightly OT - but can abybody tell me how to sign a deb after it has been created?11:53
tonyyarusso(to me at least)11:53
kompozertonyyarusso: I think it should be OK since I couldn't find any binary file that wasn't listed in IceApe's script. For the trademarked images, I had already tracked them everywhere in the code and replaced them with free icons.11:55
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bddebianDaviey: Why do you want to sign the .deb file?12:08
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DktrKranzany MOTU who has time to check for a SRU request?12:24
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kompozertonyyarusso: I'm uploading a 'dfsg' version of the source tarball, this should be ready in 30 minutes. Meanwhile I'm rebuilding KompoZer without these files to be sure I haven't removed any necessary file.12:32
kompozerAny thought about the three first points StevenK mentioned? (linking the licences in debian/copyright, removing/rewriting debian/README.Debian, manual page upstream)12:32
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