[01:10] <T`> well its an turion 3600 wuith 1GB RAM
[01:10] <T`> and ATI 128MB x700
[01:10] <mikubuntu> Jester45: ya i gotta check out my processors too...
[01:11] <Jester45> like at my school we set up central water cooling and the teacher let me over clock a p3 to 2ghz
[01:11] <Jester45> but i could under clock to 100mhz
[01:12] <mikubuntu> Jester45: what does that mean 'overclock'?
[01:12] <Jester45> means you make a processor faster than it is stock
[01:12] <T`> Jester45, yet, i just think there is something wrong going on with my setup
[01:12] <T`> it can't be that slow
[01:13] <mikubuntu> gotta go outside for a smoke, brb
[01:22] <mikubuntu> god, i hope my friend can deal with this xubuntu.  she was really scared to let me dump w98 off it.  lol.
[01:23] <mikubuntu> too late now anyways
[01:28] <mikubuntu> Jester45: are there any xfce chatrooms to help my friend if she has questions about using the spreadsheet and office programs on x?
[01:28] <Jester45> here #xfce or the #name of the program
[01:29] <Jester45> like #abiword
[01:29] <Jester45> they should have rooms
[01:29] <mikubuntu> kool
[01:30] <mikubuntu> is all freenode pretty much edu type rooms?
[01:30] <Jester45> no
[01:30] <mikubuntu> i forgot how to command a list of rooms on a server
[01:30] <Jester45> but i would say help channels would be a better description
[01:31] <mikubuntu> anybody know the input to get a list of rooms?
[01:32] <Jester45>  /list
[01:32] <Jester45> it will be in the freenode tab if you are using xchat
[01:32] <mikubuntu> that's it?  just /list?
[01:32] <Jester45> yep
[01:32] <mikubuntu> ok
[01:32] <Jester45> no space infront of it
[01:32] <Jester45> i just did it so it wouldnt send it as a command
[01:33] <mikubuntu> at 42 percent software installed
[01:33] <mikubuntu> i can do it right in this textarea?  and it will read out to only me?
[01:35] <Jester45> yep
[01:35] <mikubuntu> nother question, while everyones bein so chatty... this is 7,04 x.  so if we keep up with updates, will this machine be 7.10 when it comes out?  or is it another process?
[01:36] <mikubuntu> tried, said list server load temp too heavy try again in awhile
[01:38] <mikubuntu> at 57%, preparing zenity
[01:39] <mikubuntu> i is itchy waitin for x
[01:40] <mikubuntu> anybody have an answer about updates?  if you keep up with them does your system automagically progress to next version?
[01:50] <docs-rool> mikubuntu: hi, no you won't go to the next version, but you will get all of the bug fixes.
[01:50] <mikubuntu> docs-rool: so how do you get to the next version?  new install?
[01:51] <docs-rool> mikubuntu: it is possible to use updates to go to the next version, though.  you have to do a special kind of update, though.
[01:51] <docs-rool> let me show you.
[01:51] <mikubuntu> ok
[01:51] <docs-rool> http://tinyurl.com/3d4kkg
[01:52] <mikubuntu> thanks, doc, i go look
[01:52] <docs-rool> you can't skip multiple versions at a time, but otherwise upgrading is ok.
[01:53] <docs-rool> so you couldn't go straight from 6.06 to 7.04.
[01:53] <docs-rool> you would have to go to 6.10 in between.
[01:54] <mikubuntu> kool, i saved the page for the inevitability
[01:55] <mikubuntu> installation85 percent complete
[01:58] <docs-rool> ok.  :)
[01:58] <docs-rool> you did back up your info first, right?  =)
[01:59] <mikubuntu> no, nothing on it to backup, we bought this last month for her, and i told her not to save anything on it till we dumped w98
[02:00] <mikubuntu> i don't know how to backup yet anyways; one of those little things i need to learn
[02:00] <docs-rool> ah, ok.
[02:00] <docs-rool> well, it's just a matter of copying data to a different drive, or else burning it to a CD.
[02:00] <docs-rool> (or DVD)
[02:00] <mikubuntu> we do taxi service, and she does billing for accounts
[02:01] <mikubuntu> i din't know how to select files for burning, and i got impatient to make the switch so i just did it.  lost lots of personal files, but nothing i can't live without
[02:02] <mikubuntu> i DO need to learn to backup
[02:02] <mikubuntu> at 97% and 'cleaning up' ... my x is almost ready
[02:06] <mikubuntu> omg.  installing grub boot loader.  had problems at this point on a previous installation.  crossing my fingers.
[02:07] <mikubuntu> says 'restarting system'
[02:07] <j1mc> ok.  good luck.  :)
[02:08] <mikubuntu> omg. it seems stuck.  do i have to change the boot order, i guess?
[02:08] <mikubuntu> ok to power down?
[02:09] <mikubuntu> it's not DOING ANYTHING
[02:09] <mikubuntu> please tell me last three hours not in vain
[02:09] <mikubuntu> lol
[02:11] <mikubuntu> ok, fixed BIOS; starting up ....
[02:14] <mikubuntu> passed security, desktop up ... YES!!!! thanks guys for help.
[02:15] <mikubuntu> where do i go to set screen resolutions?  looks real sloppy ...
[02:18] <j1mc> Applications > Settings > Display settings
[02:19] <mikubuntu> cripes, gotta run pick someone up... arrrrgggghhhh be back later
[02:35] <aaron_> anyone here?
[02:36] <aaron_> in my XFCE windows, i have a mysterious little "o" in the top left corner next to the programs icon... anyone know what that is or how to get rid of it?
[02:38] <Jester45> it sticks the window to all desktops
[02:40] <Jester45> goto menu -> settings -> window manager settings-> bottom part is 2 boxes drag the icon from the top to the botttom
[02:41] <aaron_> ah. brilliant. thanks
[02:41] <Jester45> welcome
[02:41] <aaron_> i'm really diggin xfce
[02:42] <Jester45> i am to
[02:47] <xork> it's the best!
[02:50] <aaron_> nice. i didn't notice it had  built in composting now
[03:01] <homebrewcider> hey there, I installed Stellarium, but on starting it up, the program is basically unusable because there is no writing, just a series of dashes and dots, where the writing would normally be, can anyone help? I've uninstalled and reinstalled, same problem
[03:06] <Pumpernickel> bug 33988
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33988 in stellarium "Strange characters in v.0.7.1" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33988
[03:08] <xjkx> why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776
[03:12] <homebrewcider> ok
[03:12] <homebrewcider> shall i just give it a miss
[03:12] <mikubuntu> help, guys... who's here ... got x loaded on the laptop but screen resolution is terrible... went to settings and the highest res in the lineup of choices is 800 x 600, but i know the res is cabable of better ... the xubuntu splashscreen is much clearer, but when i get to the desktop, omg is bad...
[03:13] <homebrewcider> like forget about his program
[03:15] <mikubuntu> i got a terminal open.  can someone help me get this resolution right before i give my friends computer back to her and she commits homicide upon my self
[03:15] <mikubuntu> lol
[03:16] <Pumpernickel> mikubuntu: Make sure /etc/X11/xorg.conf is set up properly - e.g, having the right resolutions listed, the right default, and, if necessary, the right horizsync and vertrefresh numbers.
[03:17] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel:  uuuuh, that's ez for you to say :)
[03:17] <mikubuntu> can you translate it to chimpanzee for me
[03:18] <mikubuntu> i need a banana, it's gnna be a long nite
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> mikubuntu: There's a file, at /etc/X11/xorg.conf, which holds the configuration for your display.
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> In this file, there's a Section "Screen", and a Subsection "Display".
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> In that subsection, you'll find listed the resolutions that it can use.
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> Check those, and fix it if the one(s) you want aren't there.
[03:26] <retour> Hi all! To fully use potential of Mplayer is it enough to install it from repositories ar I have to also manually install codecs packs?
[03:26] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: where would those files *prolly* be?
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> mikubuntu: There's just the one file.
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:27] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: i see the name of it, i just don't know where to look for it on the computer
[03:27] <Pumpernickel> retour: Just mplayer should be fine.
[03:27] <Pumpernickel> mikubuntu: That is the location.
[03:27] <Pumpernickel> The filename is 'xorg.conf', and it's located in /etc/X11/.
[03:28] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: to me :) that is the name, where it is that i can find it would be the location
[03:28] <mikubuntu> i don't see it on the desktop
[03:29] <retour> Pumpernickel: well... its not playing most of the media formats. Same videos in wmv etc formats that I've played under different distro with manually installed Mplayer + codecs packs from their website. I can do it again but What folder U/Xubuntu is using to store codecs?
[03:30] <mikubuntu> i ran the sudo command that uboto gave me above and now i have a black screen that has the last line: running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)
[03:30] <retour> mikubuntu: R U playing pranks here with this kinda question?
[03:30] <mikubuntu> don't know how to get off this screen
[03:31] <mikubuntu> i'm not talking about the machine i am on, i have another one right beside it thats the problem
[03:32] <retour> mikubuntu: use midnight commander to go through and edit files (F4) etc. Open konsole and type mc if its installed U R in business if not follow help instruction
[03:34] <mikubuntu> retour: i don't know if i have midnite commander, but i do have terminal, of course ... isn't konsole a kde terminal?
[03:35] <retour> open whatever konsole and type mc
[03:37] <Pumpernickel> retour: Are you referring to the w32codecs?
[03:37] <xjkx> why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776
[03:38] <mikubuntu> retour: complete nongeek here, can you be more elementary?
[03:38] <retour> Pumpernickel: To be sure I have everything possible I would like to install manuallu full codecs pack BUT dont know what folder should I use to unpack the to. Ubuntu in places differs from other distros
[03:40] <mikubuntu> retour: i have a terminal open again now
[03:40] <retour> xjkx: strange message, what machine is generating this? notebook, brand name desktop custom build pc? what video card?
[03:40] <Pumpernickel> retour: There are packages for these things - I'm just trying to make sure I'm pointing you at the right ones.  ARE you referring to the w32codecs, or did you have something else in mind?
[03:40] <xjkx> retour: I use a sis740, Xorg has "sis" in driver, and its my desktop machine
[03:41] <retour> win32codecs probably libdvdcss etc
[03:42] <xjkx> those codecs help, but i dont know why i cant play the videos on globo.com
[03:42] <retour> mikubuntu: I'm already elementary. What happens when you open console, type mc and mash Enter?
[03:42] <Pumpernickel> !w32codecs
[03:42] <xjkx> I actually can, but the sounds is messed up
[03:42] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[03:42] <retour> Thank you!
[03:42] <Pumpernickel> np
[03:44] <xjkx> what happens when you try to play this http://video.globo.com/Videos/Player/Entretenimento/0,,GIM719598-7822-MEDICO+PSIQUIATRA+ADAIL+IVAN+DE+LEMOS+FALA+SOBRE+OS+DIFERENTES+TIPOS+DE+DOR,00.html
[03:44] <mikubuntu> ok, that was elem.  says: the program 'mc' not installed. can install by ... make sure you have the universe component enable
[03:45] <mikubuntu> gotta pick mom up around the corner, be back in 10 min
[03:47] <xjkx> retour: could you please check out
[03:53] <retour> xjkx: i'm dealing with my trouble right now - please try to google for it - its very hardware specific
[03:54] <mikubuntu> retour: how do i make sure that 'universe' is enabled?
[03:54] <mikubuntu> to then install mc
[03:54] <xjkx> ok
[03:55] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: can u tell me how to make sure that universe is enabled?
[03:56] <Random832> is there a tray battery meter?
[03:56] <Random832> for xfce
[03:56] <Random832> [wait, i'm an idiot - i assumed since it was in the tray in gnome - nm, found the panel one] 
[03:56] <retour> xjkx: I've opened your URL but its not my language and of course I cant play it Configuracia Minima etc hehe
[03:58] <retour> mikubuntu: Applications/System/Software Sources
[03:58] <mikubuntu> retour: this is a brand new install of x 704, would it be enabled by default?
[03:58] <mikubuntu> never mind, i go to software sources and check
[04:02] <mikubuntu> ok, universe is enabled as default apparently
[04:02] <mikubuntu> retour: couldn't find package mc
[04:03] <mikubuntu> i did sudo apt-get install mc
[04:06] <mikubuntu> retour: is there another way to get mc?
[04:08] <mikubuntu> i go have a smoke, brb
[04:11] <Random832> is there an on-screen display for volume?
[04:12] <Random832> is there an xkb settings program [like gnome has, for setting level 3 shift, caps lock vs control, etc] 
[04:18] <mikubuntu> please can someone help me fix my screen resolution settings?
[04:20] <retour> mikubuntu: Synaptic Package Manager -> MC= Midnight Commander
[04:23] <mikubuntu> retour: ok, i try snaptic
[04:25] <nalioth> who owns jester-log ?
[04:26] <Jester45> me
[04:26] <Jester45> is he ok?
[04:27] <nalioth> see PM
[04:27] <mikubuntu> retour: mc does not appear on package list in synaptic
[08:53] <Ed933> I've got a small problem with the keyboard, can someone please help me
[08:59] <Ed933> :)
[09:14] <Ed933> Anyone?
[09:15] <Ed933> Well, the problem is that in order to type in inverted commas (") (') or tilde (~),
[09:15] <Ed933> I have to
[09:15] <Ed933> press the button
[09:15] <Ed933> then press [Space] 
[09:15] <Ed933> otherwise I would just end up with a letter with an accent.
[09:15] <Ed933> like 
[09:16] <Ed933> I know It has something to do with the keyboard layout
[09:16] <Ed933> but I have no idea which one to use
[09:19] <kalikiana> Ed933, Look up what "nodeadkeys" means ;)
[09:36] <hammy> can anyone help me install nic driver
[09:37] <hammy> hello?
[09:37] <Ed934> where is xorg.conf?
[09:38] <hammy> noob 2 xubuntu... could really use help
[09:41] <hammy> #ubuntu
[10:24] <warbler> hello - does this mean that no-one has any problems with xubuntu - what a great recommendation!
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> hehe, either that or NA is supposed to be asleep, and Europe just waking up.
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> :P
[10:30] <warbler> good morning to all :)
[10:31] <totalwormface> yawn :P morning
[10:31] <totalwormface> (and yes, everything works flawless :D)
[10:32] <warbler> well, aren't you the lucky one :)
[10:33] <totalwormface> :P
[10:33] <totalwormface> well, i just ignored that playback of any audiofiles is broken on my second workstation
[10:33] <totalwormface> it helps :P
[10:36] <warbler> with my hands over my eyes I see nothing wrong on my box...
[01:02] <dewp> hey guys
[01:02] <dewp> i'm experiencing a strange error when starting x with recent nvidia drivers: this nvidia driver component has version 100.14.11 but the nvidia kernel module's version does not match
[01:09] <Jester45> how did you install
[01:09] <Jester45> and you could install a newer module
[01:17] <dewp> no, the module was compiled during the installation
[02:36] <warbler> !nvidia
[02:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:42] <dewp> i used envy, worked fine :)
[03:09] <dewp> do you use vdr?
[03:46] <HelloMeow> Hello, I would like help installing a printer
[03:47] <HelloMeow> I have never done so on a linux OS
[03:58] <cheeseboy> i have set up internet connection sharing between this box and my xbox and most things seem to work it grabs the news fine from xbox-scene.com and gets the weather from weather,com but when i try to watch videos using TVLinks script i get connection reset by peer.
[03:58] <cheeseboy> how  do i fix it?
[04:17] <mikubuntu> g'morning mates.  i'm looking in the add/remove apps in xubuntu for some kind of wizard to help me get a wireless connection established ... i see knetattach, would that be the one?  will i be able to enable something off this list of apps without a connection?  cause i can't get wired connection established on it either ....
[04:19] <mikubuntu> nope, can't be installed on this computer type, its saying ... arrrrggggghhhhhh
[04:23] <mikubuntu> i helped my friend get xub installed and running on a desktop about two weeks ago, and it detected the wireless device immediately, but i don't remember the details of how we got about to it.  any connection experts around?
[04:26] <predaeus> mikubuntu, wifi setup might be the same in xubuntu and ubuntu, go ask in #ubuntu too, theres more people hanging around there.
[04:29] <kekk> xubuntu has the stuff you need to enable networking
[04:29] <kekk> !wifi | mikubuntu
[04:29] <ubotu> mikubuntu: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:30] <kekk> hmmz
[04:30] <kekk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:32] <mikubuntu> predaeus: and kekk: thank you, will check
[04:40] <mikubuntu> guys, how bout a wire connection that utilizes a belkin ether 2 usb adapter into the laptop coming from a router?
[04:43] <mikubuntu> this thing is an animal.  6 hours yesterday/last nite, and now here i am again ... arrrrrggggghhhhh
[05:01] <warbler> mikubuntu: there are lots of recommendations on the net for not using USB to connect. There may be something in the forums but ....
[05:07] <mikubuntu> warbler: i know, but since this uses an adapter from ethernet i assumed that it made it more comatible
[05:08] <mikubuntu> my friends xubuntu detected her wireless usb device without any probs, but i just purchased one yesterday, and it's not doing the job, either... i wonder if the specific model i'm using no good, and the one she has more compatible?
[05:09] <warbler> kikubuntu: it is the linux os that doesn't like the USB interface - I don't know why - I had to buy a 4 port router because the ethernet died on my original
[05:09] <warbler> 8mikubuntu
[05:09] <mikubuntu> warbler: i just don't have an etho in on that laptop
[05:13] <warbler> mikubuntu: there is hope - the forums talk about support for certain usb interfaces - lots of reading coming up I guess... :)
[05:14] <Ch0Hag> Ooh what a guess.
[05:14] <Ch0Hag> So.
[05:14] <Ch0Hag> Should xubuntu-* depend on gnome-session?
[05:15] <mikubuntu> trying to do a manual configuration for eth0 interface it asks for ip address, subnet mask, and gateway address.  i know my ip address, but how do i find out the subnet and gateway?
[05:16] <Ch0Hag> netmask is most likely 255.255.255.0, gateway could be anything.
[05:16] <Ch0Hag> The network administrator will know.
[05:16] <Ch0Hag> If that's you .... well then you have to guess.
[05:17] <warbler> or go to the router page
[05:17] <mikubuntu> you mean like the cable provider?
[05:17] <Ch0Hag> Probably. Don't they do DHCP?
[05:18] <warbler> my gateway is one less than my ip address
[05:18] <warbler> it's on the router page
[05:20] <Ch0Hag> If you can get to the router page (presumabely web page) then you know your gateway IP.
[05:21] <warbler> ChOHag: the x in xubuntu is to show that it runs xfce - ubuntu runs gnome - kubuntu runs kde
[05:21] <mikubuntu> nope, just got off the line with them (cable)  she said that my subnet mask and gateway come from computer manufacturer.  i don't believe that.
[05:21] <rici> that's ridiculous
[05:21] <Ch0Hag> warbler: Yes, so why does installing xubuntu-* result in gnome-session getting installed?
[05:22] <Ch0Hag> mikubuntu: That's tech support speak for "I don't understand your question so go ask somebody else and stop bothering me."
[05:22] <warbler> mikubuntu: try 255.255.255.0 for the netmask - and take one of your ip address for the gateway
[05:22] <thingy> mikubuntu: is your ip address a private one or an internet addressable one...what are the first two blocks in x.x.x.x ?
[05:22] <rici> mikubuntu: have you tried just enabling dhcp?
[05:23] <warbler> ChOHag: one moment and I will look...
[05:23] <mikubuntu> rici: ya, don't work
[05:23] <mikubuntu> thingy: checking
[05:23] <mikubuntu> 76.108.
[05:24] <mikubuntu> thingy: 76.108.
[05:24] <thingy> mikubuntu: thats an internet addressable address...so are you using cable or dsl?
[05:24] <mikubuntu> thingy: cable
[05:24] <mikubuntu> cable modem
[05:24] <thingy> mikubuntu: is the cable box only got one port you can plug in your computer into?
[05:26] <thingy> mikubuntu: most probably, the cable box is going to assign the 76.108.x.x ip to itself and nat anything behind it...so it will be providing you with a ip via DHCP. Can I ask why your configuring an ip manually?
[05:26] <mikubuntu> has one ether and one usb; i have the ether running to a wireless router, and two wired lines out, one to this laptop, and one to that one that i'm trying to config.  but that one doesn't have an ethernet in, so i have an ether2usb adapter ...
[05:27] <mikubuntu> i bought a usb wireless receiver yesterday, but x doesn't detect it on either machine
[05:28] <thingy> mikubuntu: well your wireless router will definitely be giving out a dhcp ip address in this case.
[05:28] <Ch0Hag> thingy: It could be bridging the wireless and ethernet.
[05:28] <thingy> mikubuntu: specify the make and model of the ethernet to usb adapter and i'll see if there is a site that shows how to set it up
[05:30] <mikubuntu> belkin cardbus network card 10/100bt 32bit cardbus
[05:31] <mikubuntu> oh, wait, thats *not* a ether2usb, then, is it?  still wont work though
[05:32] <warbler> ChOHag: at the bottom of applications it tells about xfce - don't know why gnome & kde sessions are there...
[05:33] <mikubuntu> F5D5010 Belkin, sorry
[05:34] <mikubuntu> thingy: it ws in the fine print :(
[05:34] <warbler> *gnome & kde services
[05:35] <Ch0Hag> applications?
[05:35] <Ch0Hag> Where?
[05:35] <mikubuntu> brb, gonna look something up
[05:40] <mikubuntu> thingy: heres the product page, but i don't see anything on it that helps me...  http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=F5D5010&aid=4400&scid=0
[05:41] <thingy> mikubuntu: that card works under linux and so can you tell me whether you powered up your laptop with the card in it or did you insert it in afterwards?
[05:48] <mikubuntu> inserted afterwards
[05:48] <mikubuntu> thingy: inserted afterwards
[05:50] <mikubuntu> thingy: uh, so i have to power down?
[05:50] <thingy> mikubuntu: please reboot the laptop with the card in it and tell me if it works?
[05:50] <mikubuntu> thingy: me dumdum... ok
[05:51] <mikubuntu> thingy: restarting, it's a little slow
[05:53] <mikubuntu> thingy: had to re-restart, wasn't rebooting
[05:53] <mikubuntu> thingy: now it is, but ever so slow
[05:54] <thingy> mikubuntu: running on batteries? if so plug the mains in
[05:54] <mikubuntu> thingy: no its plugged
[05:55] <thingy> mikubuntu: pluggin the card in shouldnt slow down the laptop in anyway
[05:56] <mikubuntu> thingy: no, it's just a slow old dell cpi, desktop up now
[05:56] <thingy> mikubuntu: can load up a terminal and type in sudo ifconfig
[05:56] <thingy> and tell me what interface you have other than lo
[05:58] <mikubuntu> thingy: ummmm, got some output, about 7 lines, not sure what im looking for
[05:59] <mikubuntu> thingy: that whole section i guess is under 'lo'
[05:59] <thingy> mikubuntu: on the left it will show you the interface name, i.e. eth0 or lo or ra0 etc ah...in that case it didn't find the card
[06:00] <thingy> mikubuntu: can copy the /vag/log/messages file from the machine and pastebin or e-mail it?
[06:00] <mikubuntu> thingy: no, doesn't say etho anywhere, only 'lo'
[06:01] <mikubuntu> thingy:  i could open it (if i can find it) and type it into this computer if it's not too much text , should i do that?
[06:02] <mikubuntu> where do i go, to 'filesystem'?
[06:03] <mikubuntu> thingy: did you mean 'var'? or 'vag'?  only see a 'var' folder
[06:03] <thingy> mikubuntu: the file is /var/log/messages and I need to see what happens when your insert/remove the card...ok you can do the following and visually tell me what happens. 1. take out the card. 2. open a terminal and type in "tail -f /var/log/messages" 3. press enter a couple of times to put some space between the last message and the bottom of the screen. 4. insert the card and tell me what you can see on the screen then
[06:04] <mikubuntu> thingy: ok, hold on
[06:04] <thingy> mikubuntu: for number 4 i only need to know what new messages pop up and not whats already on the screen
[06:06] <thingy> mikubuntu: if its more than 3 lines worth of stuff then don't type it in here..type it in a editor and then copy/paste into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org, telling me what the url is
[06:06] <mikubuntu> ok, gotta bunch of output then some free lines at bottom, gonna insert card now
[06:08] <mikubuntu> k, saying carbus inserted, pci: enabling device, pci interrupt, etho: realtek rtl8139 at 0x... is the short version
[06:09] <thingy> mikubuntu: eh! its saying eth0 so are you sure sudo ifconfig doesn't show eth0 ?
[06:09] <mikubuntu> im sure it wasn't there before, should i enter sudo ifconfig again?  in same term?
[06:11] <thingy> ok but can I have the long version in a pastebin...is a pain but it helps me understand what is going on
[06:11] <mikubuntu> yes, but i will have to type it all, so if you have the time, i have the will
[06:12] <thingy> lol umm ok before you that then...lets see what ifconfig says first
[06:13] <mikubuntu> lemme open a tomboy ... oops. well, i don't have a command prompt, so sudo din't do anything
[06:13] <mikubuntu> how do i get command prompt ready again?
[06:13] <thingy> ctrl - c
[06:13] <mikubuntu> k
[06:14] <mikubuntu> nop, still only 'lo'
[06:14] <mikubuntu> not lol :(
[06:14] <thingy> mikubuntu: ok can you type in sudo ifconfig eth0 up please
[06:16] <mikubuntu> ok, typed sudo ifconfig eth0 up and nothing, then sudo ifconfig eth0 and i get:
[06:21] <mikubuntu> eth0: link encap:Ethernet Hwaddr 00.30.BD:6E:DA:0C up broadcast running muliticast mtu:1500, metric:1, rx packets:13, errors:0,droppd:0, overruns:0, fram:0, tx packets:0, errors:0 droppd:0, overruns:0, carrier:0, collisions:0, txqueuelen:1000, rx bytes:4306 (4.2 BiB) tx bytes:0 (0.0 b), interrupt:11 base address:0x8000
[06:21] <thingy> mikubuntu: ok thats good
[06:21] <mikubuntu> it is? :)
[06:22] <thingy> mikubuntu: can you tell me if the file /etc/network/interfaces has the lines auto eth0<newline>iface eth0 inet dhcp in it somewhere?
[06:22] <mikubuntu> k, lemme go see
[06:23] <thingy> mikubuntu: yes, the card is detected and has been given its own mac address (HWaddr) and you are getting packets recieved into it (rx)
[06:24] <mikubuntu> open with mousepad, abi, or other?
[06:24] <thingy> mousepad is fine
[06:24] <mikubuntu> k
[06:25] <mikubuntu> no, i don't see that in there
[06:25] <mikubuntu> not much in it do you want me to copy here?
[06:25] <thingy> mikubuntu: are you sure? nothing that says auto eth0?
[06:26] <thingy> does it say auto lo
[06:26] <thingy> ?
[06:27] <mikubuntu> this file describes. blablabla ... the loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback; iface eth0 inet static, address: 76.108.252.28 etc...
[06:28] <thingy> mikubuntu: looks like youve tried to set the ip adress manually via the gui utils...is that correct?
[06:29] <mikubuntu> thingy: yes
[06:29] <thingy> mikubuntu: in any case...backup the file...by doing a cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.original and then edit the file so that it looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35410/
[06:30] <mikubuntu> omg, i don't know if that's within my skillset :) ... how do i do the cp....etc?
[06:30] <mikubuntu> cp meaning command prompt?
[06:30] <thingy> mikubuntu: type in "sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.original" in a terminal window
[06:31] <mikubuntu> ok
[06:31] <mikubuntu> do i leave mousepad open?
[06:31] <thingy> mikubuntu: then you need to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file as the root user...try typing in sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <thingy> no close mousepad
[06:32] <mikubuntu> maybe i should change my nick to miknobuntu
[06:34] <mikubuntu> warning: i am using the root account
[06:34] <thingy> thats fine
[06:34] <mikubuntu> ok, lemme go look at the pastebin now?
[06:37] <mikubuntu> thingy: so that stuff i had in there from the manual config, just backspace it out and add the lines at the end of your pastebin?  do they have to be line for line character for character identical?
[06:38] <thingy> mikubuntu: i would just delete the current contents of the file in mousepad and copy and paste everything in the pastebin...
[06:40] <mikubuntu> well, i can't copy and past, i have to type it in to mousepad, remember?  no connection :) ... it all looks identical until the last part where in my existing file is the static address and all, and ini the pastebin file is the other
[06:41] <thingy> mikubuntu: ah sorry I forgot..yep go ahead and just change the last bits...the auto eth0 part and the iface eth0 part
[06:41] <mikubuntu> warning: i am using the root account, and i have just broadcast my ip address to most of the industrialized world .. lol
[06:41] <thingy> eh? where does it say that?
[06:42] <mikubuntu> no, i said it.  just joshing
[06:42] <thingy> ah
[06:42] <mikubuntu> k, lemme try this
[06:44] <mikubuntu> thingy: i think i did it
[06:44] <thingy> hmm?
[06:45] <mikubuntu> i mean i entered the new text, now do i have to save it somehow?
[06:45] <thingy> after typing the changes into the file, you need to save it and then type in sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:45] <thingy> into a terminal
[06:45] <mikubuntu> you mean i just 'save' into mousepad right where it's at?
[06:46] <mikubuntu> with a file command?
[06:47] <thingy> mikubuntu: yes...just select file save
[06:47] <thingy> and then close mousepad and then in a terminal window type in sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:47] <mikubuntu> ok, did that file save, now i go back to the terminal and do the sudo
[06:48] <thingy> yes
[06:50] <mikubuntu> ok, last line of output is: ...bound to 192.168.0.101 -- renewal in 5334 seconds
[06:50] <mikubuntu> but the 5334 isn't counting down
[06:50] <mikubuntu> do you need to see ALL the output?
[06:51] <thingy> way to go miku
[06:51] <thingy> youre on the internet now
[06:51] <thingy> go browse the web
[06:51] <mikubuntu> you think?
[06:51] <thingy> uh huh
[06:51] <mikubuntu> are you pulling my legs?
[06:51] <mikubuntu> i go check
[06:51] <thingy> umm i think its worked...its given you the ip address of 192.168.0.101
[06:52] <mikubuntu> starting firefox
[06:53] <mikubuntu> omg. i'm on the World Wide Web! It's a miracle, it's ... overhyped.  LOL. thanks thingy!
[06:54] <thingy> np
[06:54] <mikubuntu> wanna help me get my screenres fixed now? :)
[06:54] <mikubuntu> jajajajjajajajjajajaajajajajajajaajajjajajaajajajajaj..... like the black hole of technological needs.
[06:55] <mikubuntu> gonna try sudo apt-get updates and see if it fixes screenres, this install just from yesterday
[06:56] <thingy> it prob. wont
[06:56] <thingy> what you can do is pastebin the output of lspci so that we know what your graphics card is
[06:57] <mikubuntu> ok, now i should be able to do that, let me open a term over there again
[06:57] <mikubuntu> just lspci? no sudo?
[06:59] <thingy> ok sudo lspci will be fine
[07:00] <mikubuntu> already got some output without sudo, is that ok?
[07:00] <mikubuntu> just looking for the pastebin address just found it one min
[07:02] <thingy> yep it should be fine
[07:02] <mikubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35415
[07:03] <mikubuntu> mama calling, brb
[07:05] <thingy> mikubuntu: umm what exactly is the screen res issue?
[07:08] <mikubuntu> very poor resolution NOT 1024
[07:08] <mikubuntu> the splashscreen on bootup = very crisp, after that, downhill
[07:09] <thingy> mikubuntu: can you please pastebin the /etc/X11/xorg.conf + the /var/log/Xorg.0.log files
[07:09] <mikubuntu> the sreenres was fine in win98
[07:09] <mikubuntu> ok lemme go find
[07:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[07:13] <kekk> hello
[07:13] <MilhousePunkRock> How crazy am to set up Xubuntu Feisty on a AMD K6-2 350 with 392 MB RAM, a 6 GB HDD and either an ATI Rage Pro or an S3 Trio 3D (I still need to find out which video card is better)?
[07:14] <LadyR> I have it on a Dell C510/610 with a 20gig HD and 256 megs of RAM...
[07:14] <kekk> not that crazy :)
[07:14] <kekk> have an old comp with 467mhz and I thought it was 64mb of ram, turn out 196 or something like that, 6 gb drive also
[07:15] <kekk> won't have a lot of hd space left though
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> So does anyone know which video card I should pick?
[07:15] <kekk> have you searched the forums?
[07:16] <kekk> I think ATI might be more supported, but I don't know much
[07:16] <Ramla> I would think both have equally good drivers, and if so, I'd just look at image quality
[07:16] <thingy> mik's am afk for about 15-20 mins...pastebin the urls and just wait until i get back
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> It almost managed to boot the live cd... I have a desktop, but no panels and the mouse won't move (I should dig in my junk box to see if I have a native PS/2 mouse in there)
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> I dont think drivers will be a problem at that age... I know the S3 is/was reference hardware...
[07:18] <Ramla> How much graphics memory do they have?
[07:18] <mikubuntu> thingy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35416
[07:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Ramla: If I only knew... 8 MB at the most, I would guess...
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> I have to go now... :/ Thanks for the first hints, now I have a project for next weekend... I will most likely come back then anyway...
[07:22] <mikubuntu> thingy: it was a mouthful of output, huh
[07:26] <thingy> back
[07:27] <mikubuntu> k, if you need a few mins to look it over i can run make a sandwich for mom
[07:27] <mikubuntu> because i'm fasting for world peace
[07:28] <mikubuntu> or a piece of the world or something
[07:29] <thingy> mikubuntu: go ahead i'll need a few mins
[07:34] <cheeseboy> anyone good with iptables?
[07:34] <mikubuntu> thingy: i back in 2 min
[07:34] <cheeseboy> :o thingy
[07:34] <The_Kernel> o
[07:35] <thingy> cheeseboy: hello
[07:35] <thingy> cheeseboy: oh you still not managed to get the box to connect to the net?
[07:36] <thingy> cheeseboy: did you try that chroot idea you had?
[07:36] <mikubuntu> thingy: i back whenever u ready holla
[07:36] <cheeseboy> thingy i did get it connected but having port forwarding issue  now
[07:37] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you there?
[07:37] <thingy> mikubuntu: umm i looked at the log file for Xorg and its says that there isn't enough memory in the video card(not the system) to run X at 1024x768@32bit depth colour. Are you willing to settle to run at 1024x768@16bit depth ?
[07:38] <thingy> cheeseboy: I'm curious, what was it that was causing the problem?
[07:38] <mikubuntu> thingy: i takes what i can get
[07:38] <mikubuntu> i don't even know the difference, and donna won't either when i get this laptop back to her :)
[07:38] <mikubuntu> what IS the difference?
[07:39] <cheeseboy> thingy: no idea i updated to gusty and it worked
[07:40] <thingy> mikubuntu: 16bit color depth = 65,000 colors max, 24/32bit = 2/4 million colors
[07:41] <thingy> cheeseboy: but how did you manage to update? without a net connection?
[07:41] <cheeseboy> thingy can you help me with port forwarding?
[07:41] <mikubuntu> thingy: since we're not mapping the universe, 16 will prolly do
[07:41] <thingy> cheeseboy: im weak at iptables *but* i have a friend called google! :-)
[07:42] <azamo> hello, does anyone know if xubuntu 6.01 will install on old world macs?
[07:42] <thingy> mikubuntu: yep, 16bit should be fine...can you confirm whether you ever managed to use linux on this laptop with 1024x768 res? if you did then I can see if we can/need to specify a parameter to tell the system how much video memory the video card has
[07:42] <mikubuntu> azamo: what year, not if its pre 1967
[07:42] <cheeseboy> thingy: ive googled but i failed
[07:42] <azamo> 1997
[07:44] <azamo> ok, well i cant boot off a cd very well unless it's mac, do i need a firmware update?
[07:45] <thingy> cb, you'll have to tell me what the port fwd issue is if you want me to try googling
[07:45] <mikubuntu> thingy: well, hmmmm, i *think* it was at 1024 on win98.  we/she just bought it used from a guy that refurbs last month or so... at any rate, the resolution was much better than its rendering now, altho i can't tell for sure if actual rendering is 800 or 600 right now - it's just very sloppy, like a third grader drew it
[07:46] <mikubuntu> thingy:  it looks splotchy
[07:46] <mikubuntu> thingy: do you need me to look somewhere on the filesys?
[07:48] <thingy> mikubuntu: no insteas can you tell me the make and model of the laptop, i'll google for it and see if i can find the specs for it or if anyones installed linux on an identical machine and what they experienced
[07:49] <mikubuntu> thingy: ok, its a cpi dell d300xt , i think that's all the specs i know
[07:50] <thingy> cpi? is that short for something?
[07:50] <mikubuntu> wait: dell Latitude CPi D300XT
[07:51] <mikubuntu> i don't really know what the cpi stands for, just model number i thought
[07:52] <thingy> mikubuntu: ah ok. nvm i just googled around and found that the machine does come with 2mb of video memory and hence you have to run it at 16bit colour depth. ok you ready to do some text editiing...very minor stuff
[07:52] <mikubuntu> thingy:  u the boss
[07:52] <thingy> mikubuntu: start by launching a terminal and then typing in "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original" to make a backup of you xorg.conf file
[07:53] <mikubuntu> k
[07:53] <thingy> mikubuntu: then type in "sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to open mousepad with the file so that we can edit it
[07:54] <cheeseboy> help anyone?
[07:54] <thingy> mikubuntu: now, in this file find the following line: "DefaultDepth	24" and then change it to: "DefaultDepth	16"
[07:55] <thingy> cheeseboy: I msged you earlier....if you tell me what the port fwding issue is I can see if I find something on google
[07:55] <thingy> mikubuntu: save the file, close mousepad and reboot the laptop
[07:56] <mikubuntu> thingy: was i suppose to get output from the first command, the backup?
[07:56] <mikubuntu> i din't get any output
[07:57] <thingy> no...it shouldnt display any output
[07:57] <thingy> it just makes a copy of the xorg.conf file
[07:57] <thingy> so that if you mess up we can bring it back to the way it was easily
[08:00] <mikubuntu> thingy: gee whiz thingy, you'd think you din't have any confidence in my lack of skills
[08:01] <mikubuntu> thingy: shutting down.
[08:01] <thingy> mikubuntu: :-) no silly...it easy to accidentally insert characters in a file whilst editing it and then finding the problem is a lot more difficult for anybody who doesn't have access to the box and has to work remotely like in this situation. so its safer to make a copy of the file and then if its goe haywire, we restore the old file and start again
[08:01] <mikubuntu> hehe
[08:02] <mikubuntu> thingy: just kidding.  i know you have every confidence in my lack of skills.
[08:02] <mikubuntu> booting up
[08:02] <mikubuntu> she so slow
[08:05] <mikubuntu> thingy:  you are awesome!  beautiful crisp screen!
[08:05] <thingy> awesome!
[08:06] <mikubuntu> thingy: just one more question
[08:06] <mikubuntu> :)
[08:06] <thingy> if its a hard question...im running away
[08:07] <mikubuntu> will the changes we made to make the cardbus device work also enable a usb wireless receiver, should she buy one?  they're on sale at compusa for 25 bucks and a 22 rebate, net cost $3.
[08:08] <thingy> woah! 3 bucks! thats a steal!
[08:08] <mikubuntu> so you see, it's not a 'for today' question, but maybe a 'for next week' question
[08:09] <mikubuntu> well, you gotta pay $25 and then wait for the rebate in the mail, but yeah, pretty good deal
[08:09] <thingy> oh and no I cant be sure the changes we made will apply to the wireless usb device...since the device may appear to the system as something other than eth0, e.g. ra0 and it may need more configuring for it to work
[08:10] <mikubuntu> oh, god.  don't go and get hit by a bus or anything then, ok :)
[08:10] <mikubuntu> i'm very concerned about your health.
[08:10] <mikubuntu> hahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahha ... lol
[08:10] <thingy> :-)
[08:11] <mikubuntu> k, gotta go, thanks ever so much again, see you soon
[08:11] <thingy> bye
[08:12] <mikubuntu> ciao now
[08:14] <dewp> how can i uninstall just one packet without its dependancies?
[08:14] <cellofellow> dewp: sudo apt-get uninstall thepackage
[08:15] <cellofellow> and don't auto-remove
[08:15] <dewp> aah
[08:15] <cellofellow> it's remove, not uninstall
[08:15] <dewp> thank you :)
[08:15] <cellofellow> blah
[08:15] <dewp> yeah
[08:15] <dewp> cool
[08:15] <cellofellow> np
[08:16] <dewp> no, its the same
[08:16] <dewp> it wants to remove all other packets, too
[08:16] <thingy> dewp: dpkg -P full.pkg.name
[08:17] <thingy> uh you have to sudo that cmd btw
[08:18] <cellofellow> apt-get has gotten smarter but it still doesn't compare to aptitude
[08:18] <dewp> hmm, never used it
[08:19] <dewp> thats strange, i typed in the dpkg -P as you said (with the exact path), but then its saying "you must specigy packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in"
[08:20] <dewp> the path is "/home/xpc/downloads/libc6_2.6.1-1_amd64.deb"
[08:21] <dewp> (without quotes ;o)
[08:21] <laserbeak43> hi i took the wireless tutorial here http://boredklink.googlepages.com/ubuntuguide and then my wireless worked, i logged into windows, was forced to use a different wifi network and then logged back into linux and it didnt work. now i've doen the tutorial over again and i can't connect wirelessly.(wtf?)
[08:24] <hyper_ch> local linux guru needed ;)
[08:25] <j1mc> hi
[08:25] <thingy> dewp: Woah! what are you doing? are you trying to remove libc ?
[08:25] <dewp> i needed a newer version for libxine1
[08:26] <dewp> i compiled it but did not expect such problems
[08:26] <dewp> then i want to install something with apt-get and it says something with bad dependencies
[08:26] <thingy> dewp: gosh. Libc is like a central lib that EVERYTHING is dependant on....you should not touch it until you do a dist-upgrade
[08:26] <dewp> so i'd like to remove only this libc package and install the standard ubuntu package
[08:27] <dewp> oh :) good to know
[08:29] <thingy> dewp: look in the forums for pre-built binaries for things like 32bit xine/mplayer etc saves you from a lot of hassle
[08:31] <dewp> too late :)
[08:33] <thingy> dewp: umm you do realise that if that dpkg command had worked you would have an instant unusable box, since ls/cp etc everything would not work anymore. :-)
[08:45] <Sherwinator> hey my gf just installed xubuntu and it doesnt play dvd's , is this a commmon problem can anyone help ?
[08:45] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: install vlc - that has most codecs or you need to add codecs manually
[08:46] <Sherwinator> thanks alot hyper
[08:46] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: you know vlc?
[08:47] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: just a hint... most irc programs have tab completion.. this means you type the first 2-3 letters of a name, then hit "tab" and it will complete it or give you a selection... that way you use the right nickname when you write to someone
[08:48] <hyper_ch> hiho PriceChild
[08:49] <Sherwinator> cool
[08:50] <Sherwinator> hyper_ch: thanks for that
[08:50] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: you're welcome :) anyway, you know VLC? It also exists for windows.. that was my default player for any video/dvd
[08:50] <laserbeak43> whats the diff between an SSID and an ESSID?
[08:50] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: there's only a few things it can't play
[08:50] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: a letter ;)
[08:51] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:51] <laserbeak43> seriously
[08:51] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: it is ;)
[08:51] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: but I guess you mean it in PHP?
[08:51] <laserbeak43> no
[08:51] <laserbeak43> i mean it for wifi
[08:52] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: ah.... no clue :)
[08:52] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: could be the smae
[08:52] <laserbeak43> hehe
[08:52] <thingy> laserbeak43: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/33474-difference-between-essid-ssid.html
[08:53] <laserbeak43> thingy: thanks
[08:53] <Sherwinator> g2g cya all
[08:53] <Sherwinator> hyper_ch:  thanks again
[08:59] <thingy> hyper_ch: is your issue pertaining to backups?
[08:59] <hyper_ch> thingy: yes
[08:59] <thingy> gaah
[08:59] <thingy> thought so
[08:59] <thingy> what is it
[09:00] <hyper_ch> thingy: the hardlinking uses extremly much space on the server for which I have no explanation.... on my local computer it almost uses none
[09:02] <thingy> wb
[09:03] <thingy> well is it a ext3 block size issue first of all...i
[09:03] <hyper_ch> back again
[09:03] <hyper_ch> had a little issue
[09:03] <hyper_ch> thingy: the scripts are here:  http://www.roleplayer.org/backup.txt   http://www.roleplayer.org/my.txt
[09:04] <hyper_ch> I mirror from one server to another
[09:04] <hyper_ch> when I do it from one drive to another on my computer it works fine
[09:04] <thingy> ugh need to go drop my sis off...back in 30 mins. but the questions i was going to ask are: could the ext3 block size be causing a mis reporting of the file usage, 2) is it possible the not all the references to a hardlink are gone and hence files you thought should be deleted are stilll hanging around?
[09:05] <thingy> afk 30 mins
[09:06] <hyper_ch> ok
[09:08] <cheeseboy> can i get some help with iptables please??
[09:57] <cellofellow> Well, here I am dappling in wireless. I just put in a Netgear MA311 PCI card. It's got the Prism 2.5rev1 chipset. My system doesn't recognize it as wireless. What do I do?
[09:58] <kekk> might want to try #ubuntu
[09:59] <kekk> or the wifidocs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:59] <cellofellow> been reading the wifi docs, but things aren't going too well.
[10:00] <kekk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting tried this?
[10:00] <hyper_ch> hiho cellofellow
[10:00] <cellofellow> hello
[10:05] <hyper_ch> hiho Jester45
[10:07] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: any help on the wifi?
[10:08] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: my ralink chip just works out of the box
[10:08] <cellofellow> This worked moderately (at least it tried to connect to stuff) on another Ubuntu box.
[10:08] <cellofellow> but it is right now just sitting there unused.
[10:08] <cellofellow> iwconfig shows No Wireless Extensions.
[10:09] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: lspci  --> is it listed there?
[10:09] <cellofellow> and it's not in ifconfig (though it is in network-admin)
[10:09] <cellofellow> yes
[10:09] <hyper_ch> what is it?
[10:09] <cellofellow> it's a wired card in network-admin
[10:09] <cellofellow> Netgear MA311, Prims 2.5 chipset.
[10:10] <hyper_ch> !netgear
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netgear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <hyper_ch> !wifi
[10:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:10] <cellofellow> !prism
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prism - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <cellofellow> Already reading the wifidocs, but having trouble. None of the recommended commands do anything.
[10:11] <hyper_ch> it's a wifi right?
[10:11] <cellofellow> yes
[10:11] <hyper_ch> usb?
[10:11] <cellofellow> set as /dev/wlan0
[10:11] <cellofellow> no, PCI
[10:12] <cellofellow> it's just 802.11b
[10:15] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: run this:
[10:16] <hyper_ch> $ sudo modprobe -r orinoco_pci
[10:16] <hyper_ch> $ sudo modprobe -r hostap_pci
[10:16] <hyper_ch> $ sudo modprobe -r prism2_pci
[10:16] <hyper_ch> $ sudo modprobe orinoco_pci
[10:16] <cellofellow> ok
[10:17] <cellofellow> hey hey, look at that
[10:17] <cellofellow> now it's in iwconfig
[10:18] <hyper_ch> is it working?
[10:18] <cellofellow> not got to the SSID and WEP stuff yet.
[10:19] <hyper_ch> wep is not needed ;)
[10:19] <cellofellow> Well, WEP is enabled on router.
[10:19] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:19] <hyper_ch> I have no encryption
[10:19] <cellofellow> I should disable it, just causes problems.
[10:20] <hyper_ch> makes me safer without encrpytion ;)
[10:20] <cellofellow> safer?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> yeah
[10:20] <cellofellow> explain
[10:21] <hyper_ch> uploading of copyright protected material is not allowed
[10:21] <hyper_ch> all my data drives are encrypted
[10:21] <hyper_ch> so I just have to say someone else used my wifi ;)
[10:21] <hyper_ch> I cannot be hold responsible for that
[10:21] <cellofellow> hmmm
[10:21] <hyper_ch> well, that's here the case.. might be different for you ;)
[10:25] <albert> hey i got a question
[10:26] <hyper_ch> !question | albert
[10:26] <ubotu> albert: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:27] <albert> im new to linux (xubuntu) and am trying to install ndiswrapper, something didnt work, and i want to make sure im installing it correctly. because of that i think i need to make sure i have the right kernel  with kernel headers but i have no clue how to check that and if i dont have it how to get it, can somebody help me
[10:27] <kekk> hyper_ch, I use the same trick
[10:28] <kekk> I only have mac filtering enabled but I can say macs can be forged easily :)
[10:28] <Jester45> with openvz you can set what the mac adress is
[10:28] <kekk> it's just to keep those windows comps that are set to autoconnect away
[10:29] <kekk> so nobody would steal my wifi ;)
[10:29] <vrkhans> hi
[10:29] <vrkhans> problem
[10:29] <Jester45> a password would stop that
[10:29] <hyper_ch> kekk: hehehe :) well, it just depends on what you local law says... here I cannot be hold responsible for my internet access... and without proof that I did something I can't be punished
[10:29] <vrkhans> my wireless card haveing chipset realtek 8185 has not been detected
[10:30] <vrkhans> what sould I do
[10:30] <kekk> I don't know about the exact laws here but I just feel I can use this as an argument. 'my wifi was insecure. the area that my router gives the connection to is pretty big, anybody could connect to it and download that stuff'
[10:31] <kekk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting tried this?
[10:31] <hyper_ch> kekk: well, in hamburg/Germany there was one verdict where you were liable for what is done through your inet access account
[10:31] <vrkhans> I check the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but there is no listing for r8181x  or r8187
[10:31] <kekk> that's unfortunate, hyper_ch  :( really..
[10:32] <hyper_ch> kekk: in Germany it's just been Hamburg so far.. but then I don't live in Germany
[10:32] <kekk> well, let's just hope my ipblocklists are good ;)
[10:32] <kekk> btw, which lists do you use?
[10:32] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:33] <hyper_ch> none
[10:33] <kekk> no moblock or something like that? k. I use a plugin for deluge, the torrent client I use
[10:33] <hyper_ch> nope, nothing
[10:33] <kekk> haven't found out which was the best list out there..
[10:34] <hyper_ch> i prefer lightweight clients ;)
[10:34] <kekk> it is lightweight
[10:34] <hyper_ch> not really
[10:35] <albert> how can i know if i have a kernel with headers
[10:35] <kekk> very even
[10:35] <kekk> now azureus.. that's a different topic ;)
[10:35] <kekk> hyper_ch, how come?
[10:35] <hyper_ch> kekk: it's gui... it's not lightweight ;)
[10:35] <kekk> haha, well I'll give you that
[10:36] <hyper_ch> <-- rtorrent
[10:36] <hyper_ch> albert: you can install the headers
[10:36] <vrkhans> can any one help me
[10:36] <kekk> my laptop starts screaming if cpu > 10% and even with encryption enabled, it doesn't start screaming with deluge running
[10:36] <albert> where
[10:36] <vrkhans> in setting yup my wireless card
[10:36] <hyper_ch> !wifi | vrkhans
[10:36] <ubotu> vrkhans: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:36] <vrkhans> hyper_ch I check the dock
[10:36] <vrkhans> doc
[10:37] <hyper_ch> vrkhans: if your card is not listed there, then use google
[10:37] <kekk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting vrkhans.
[10:37] <hyper_ch> my card works out of the box
[10:37] <albert> i have no clue what that means
[10:37] <kekk> my 2 cards are also ootb
[10:37] <vrkhans> I have realtek 8185
[10:37] <hyper_ch> kekk: deluge is heavyweight ;)
[10:38] <kekk> but compared to azureus.. :P
[10:38] <vrkhans> I have desktop
[10:38] <hyper_ch> still heavyweight ;)
[10:38] <vrkhans> and its a pci card
[10:38] <vrkhans> so when I do lspci , it show me that card
[10:39] <vrkhans> but not detected as in the network only the wired and modem option is avaliable
[10:39] <kekk> vrkhans, from the forums: "Just found a post that says the realtek 818x drivers are blacklisted by default on 7.04. Nevertheless I will check later."
[10:39] <vrkhans> so ,, I am stuck
[10:39] <kekk> you said they aren't?
[10:40] <vrkhans> i dont have any listing in the blacklisted for 818x
[10:40] <vrkhans> that is the problem
[10:41] <kekk> what's the blacklist file?
[10:41] <vrkhans>   /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:42] <kekk> # buggy driver causes kernel BUG on load (Ubuntu: #78255, #88430)
[10:42] <kekk> blacklist r818x
[10:42] <kekk> blacklist r8187
[10:42] <kekk> that's what's in mine, last 3 rows
[10:42] <vrkhans> I just installed xubuntu and there is no listing for the 818x
[10:42] <vrkhans> i dont have that
[10:43] <kekk> ok
[10:43] <vrkhans> i dont know why
[10:43] <kekk> ifconfig didn't list it? iwconig?
[10:43] <kekk> iwconfig*
[10:43] <vrkhans> how can I install these drivers
[10:44] <kekk> http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian/Ubuntu
[10:44] <kekk> it maybe it but I'm not sure..
[10:44] <kekk> hmm, it maybe included in 7.10 out of the box
[10:47] <vrkhans> how can I check what version i have for xubuntu
[10:49] <kekk> I'm on ubuntu and I can see the version from System > About Ubuntu..
[10:49] <kekk> don't know about other options
[10:49] <kekk> 7.10 is a development version so you probably have 7.04
[10:50] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: how do I make what those modprobe commands did permanent?
[10:51] <vrkhans> could be but notting like that in xubuntu
[10:51] <cheeseboy> can one of you help me with iptables?
[10:51] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: it worked?
[10:51] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: yes
[10:51] <cellofellow> with wep and everything.
[10:51] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: just add the orinoco_pci to your /etc/modules file
[10:52] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: that should do it
[10:52] <cellofellow> ok
[10:52] <cellofellow> thanks dude
[10:53] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: not sure but it should
[10:53] <cellofellow> ok
[10:54] <cellofellow> that was modprobe -r orinoco_pci, hotspot_pci, and prism_pci, then modprobe orinoco_pci?
[10:54] <cellofellow> I can't remember
[10:55] <vrkhans> where is the repository file
[10:55] <vrkhans> /ect/...
[10:55] <vrkhans> i forget
[10:55] <cellofellow> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <vrkhans> thanks
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> hey guys.
[10:57] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: tengo un problema.  trying to add programs on my new xbox from the add/remove apps... keeps axing me to insert the xubuntu disk in the cdrom, EVEN when i have the disk ALREADY in there... then it doesn't complete the installation... like i tried to install the aisle riot games and it seemed to only download 32 of 35 files, then delivers error message... can you help?
[10:57] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: don't have an xbox
[10:57] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: open Software Sources and in CD stuff, just disable it.
[10:58] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: a lot of 'failed to fetch' messages...
[10:58] <kekk> I hate that the cd is in the sources list by default
[10:58] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: disable what?
[10:58] <cellofellow> one sec...
[10:58] <kekk> disable the cd as a repo/source
[10:59] <vrkhans> cellofellow: how I can update that list
[10:59] <vrkhans> apt-get update
[10:59] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: under the Ubuntu Software tab in the Software Sources too, uncheck the CD in the box in the bottom.
[10:59] <vrkhans> or ..
[10:59] <cellofellow> yes
[10:59] <cheeseboy> none of you can help with iptables?
[10:59] <cellofellow> no, that updates your cache.
[10:59] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: try firestarter
[11:00] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: wait, were you the one trying to share your net connection with your xbox?
[11:00] <cheeseboy> cellofellow: yes
[11:00] <cellofellow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless
[11:01] <cellofellow> These instructions are the same but backwards.
[11:01] <cheeseboy> cellofellow: i already got internet connection working but i get connection refused trying to watch videos
[11:01] <cellofellow> you've got a port blocked then.
[11:01] <vrkhans> does any one of you know how to install the rtl 8185 wire less driver
[11:01] <cellofellow> Just put the xbox in DMZ using iptables/firstarter.
[11:01] <cellofellow> firestarter*
[11:02] <cheeseboy> cellofellow how do i unblock it :/ videos work fine on the pc with internet
[11:02] <vrkhans> I have pci wireless card which is not detected
[11:02] <cheeseboy> cellofellow i dont use firestarter didnt like it
[11:02] <cellofellow> ok
[11:02] <cellofellow> iptables is really quite complex. I think whole O'Reilly books have been written on it.
[11:03] <Ben_Cs> what's the best itunes alternative for linux?
[11:03] <cellofellow> Ben_Cs: Exaile for GNOME/XFCE, AmaroK for KDE.
[11:03] <hyper_ch> amarok
[11:03] <cheeseboy> cellofellow: can you jusrt tell me how to open dmz please
[11:04] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: search for iptables dmz. I honestly don't know how, only that that is what you want.
[11:04] <cheeseboy> ialready have dmz on this pc but not the box
[11:04] <mikubuntu>  cellofellow then just enable it if i need to install something via cd?  is this a known bug?
[11:04] <cheeseboy> xbox*
[11:04] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: I know it's possible cause linux-based routers can do it, and most of those just use iptables for the firewall.
[11:04] <mikubuntu> now that i disabled the cd rom will the synaptic work properly probably?
[11:04] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: yes
[11:05] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: nothing is on the CD that is not on the Internet. Can't say that there is nothing on the Internet that is not on the CD.
[11:05] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: if you want to use the CD, then after disabling it, re-enable it by running sudo apt-cdrom add with it in the drive.
[11:06] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: ok, trying to download aisleriot again , thanks
[11:07] <Ben_Cs> cellofellow: how about banshee? is it good?
[11:07] <cellofellow> Never used Banshee or RythmBox. Both are pretty good It think.
[11:07] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: you so right.  it grabbed the remaining packages and is installing
[11:07] <cellofellow> Both can do ipods I think.
[11:07] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: coool.
[11:07] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: have fun with AisleRiot.
[11:07] <mikubuntu> danka shine
[11:08] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: not me, i can't stand those games, but my friend donna will like them and it's her laptop.
[11:08] <xork> banshee is what i use
[11:08] <xork> easiest to browse the way i like to
[11:09] <mikubuntu> just trying to round out her install before i give it back to her
[11:09] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: my favorite game is xjump. Simple, fun, challenging.
[11:09] <cellofellow> makes sense
[11:09] <cellofellow> I do the same.
[11:09] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: i'll try it out
[11:09] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: but usually not much time in the day, what with george bush still in the white house and all
[11:25] <xork> go ron paul
[11:33] <vrkhans> how can I delete a non empty dir
[11:33] <vrkhans> rmdir
[11:33] <vrkhans> doesnt work
[11:34] <Pumpernickel> rm -r
[11:36] <thingy> back
[11:37] <vrkhans> rm: descend into write-protected directory `rtl-wifi/'?
[11:37] <vrkhans> msg
[11:37] <vrkhans> what is this
[11:37] <thingy> hyper_ch: hi. Ok I've got your backup script loaded in a window...what was the issue? disk space usage?
[11:38] <vrkhans> Pumpernickel: now what
[11:38] <hyper_ch> thingy: yeah... locally it works fine
[11:38] <hyper_ch> thingy: but on the servers a lot more space gets used than it should
[11:39] <vrkhans> how can I delte this directory sudo rm -f rtl-wifi/
[11:39] <vrkhans> rm: cannot remove `rtl-wifi/': Is a directory
[11:39] <vrkhans> sudo rm -f rtl-wifi/
[11:39] <vrkhans> rm: cannot remove `rtl-wifi/': Is a directory
[11:40] <vrkhans> how i can remove this dir
[11:40] <hyper_ch> vrkhans: rm -Rf
[11:40] <cellofel1ow> careful with rm -rf
[11:41] <cellofel1ow> you can wipe your system with it, even from a non / directory (if it picks up on the .. "file")
[11:41] <thingy> hyper_ch: ok and you think its because of hard links? or ext3?
[11:41] <hyper_ch> thingy: I dunno... I use the same at my computer and it works..
[11:42] <thingy> hyper_ch: can you give examples of the problem? since I don't know what to look for in terms of a problem yet
[11:43] <hyper_ch> thingy: the problem is that on every backup the whole thing uses about 1-2 GB more space
[11:43] <Pumpernickel> cellofel1ow: That's why it doesn't follow the .. links or symlinks.
[11:43] <cellofel1ow> ok
[11:43] <cellofel1ow> I read about someone who had that happen though,
[11:43] <hyper_ch> I'm sure with rm there is an option that lets you follow symlinks
[11:44] <thingy> hyper_ch: so du -h /my/lovely/backup/servers/backup/folder is > du -h /my/home/desktop/machine/with/data/that/i/want/to/backup ?
[11:44] <hyper_ch> thingy: the, the backuped up folder is remote ;)
[11:45] <hyper_ch> and it has quite a few exluded dirs
[11:45] <thingy> hyper_ch: ah but im trying to determine is whether, magically the same data on backup server is larger than the data on the backed up machine
[11:46] <hyper_ch> thingy: I know
[11:46] <Ben_Cs> is there a way in pidgin to search for someone not in list?
[11:46] <hyper_ch> only about 10-30 mb are transferred each time
[11:46] <thingy> hyper_ch: but are using a du -h to measure the total size?
[11:47] <hyper_ch> thingy: so far I don't... after each backup I run in the shell script "df" and everything is being emailed
[11:48] <hyper_ch> thingy: that's how I can tell that more space is being used
[11:49] <thingy> hyper_ch: ok the only way youre going to even begin to find out whats going is if you compare the backed up data from backup server to backed up computer, on a file to file/folder to folder basis. Without a "diff" theres nothing anyone can help you with because there isn't any information about whats happening
[11:50] <hyper_ch> thingy: yeah :(
[11:50] <thingy> hyper_ch: do want links to director compare programs?
[11:50] <thingy> hyper_ch: i can google them for you if you want
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> never mind
[11:51] <hyper_ch> thingy: nah, not necessary, I can goole myself ;) learned that a couple of years ago
[11:51] <thingy> Google know all! All hail the GOogle!
[12:08] <varreon> hey ppl
[12:08] <varreon> i just started using xubuntu, rather than ubuntu with fluxbox
[12:08] <varreon> and I have to say I REALLY like it
[12:09] <varreon> anyway I can help on the project?
[12:10] <varreon> anyone?
[12:11] <thingy> varreon: http://www.xubuntu.org/devel
[12:11] <varreon> thnx
[12:23] <vrkhans>  I have a PCI wireless card rtl 8185 but it isnt detected what should I do
[12:24] <vrkhans> to install it please help me I am new to linux
[12:24] <cellofellow> is it detected in lspci?
[12:24] <vrkhans> ya
[12:24] <cellofellow> does it have a /dev file?
[12:24] <cellofellow> like eth1 or wlan0 or wifi0?
[12:24] <vrkhans> i dont knwo
[12:25] <cellofellow> wait, those don't show in /dev anymore.
[12:25] <vrkhans> I try to fellowed this http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu
[12:25] <cellofellow> maxamillion: do you know where the network device files hang out these days?
[12:25] <vrkhans> but didnt workout got some errors ins the make
[12:26] <cellofellow> there's gotta be a driver in the repos. Why compile?
[12:26] <maxamillion> cellofellow: network device files? ... in what respect?
[12:27] <vrkhans> cellofellow: I am new , some one told me
[12:27] <vrkhans> to fellow that instruction
[12:27] <cellofellow> maxamillion: there is some file(s) that the eth? or wlan? devices are represented by.
[12:27] <vrkhans> that didnt workout
[12:27] <cellofellow> page ain't loading. Just huge white screen.
[12:27] <vrkhans> my chipset is rtl8185
[12:28] <vrkhans> thats what I am looking for apt-get install .....
[12:29] <vrkhans> some thing like that
[12:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: not that i know of .... i believe that its just detected and handled by the kernel module
[12:29] <vrkhans> its a pci so when I did lspci it showed but I dought that there is the driver loaded
[12:30] <cellofellow> how to programs access them then? I thought the way device files worked was they are a communication thing between the userland and the kernel.
[12:30] <cellofellow> vrkhans: what about lspci -v
[12:30] <vrkhans> let me try what you want to see
[12:31] <cellofellow> gives full information
[12:32] <vrkhans> \msg cellofellow 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
[12:32] <vrkhans>         Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller
[12:32] <vrkhans>         Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11
[12:32] <vrkhans>         I/O ports at 1400 [size=256] 
[12:32] <vrkhans>         Memory at f4101000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] 
[12:32] <vrkhans>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[12:32] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i actually really don't know ....
[12:32] <cellofellow> it's /msg next time
[12:32] <vrkhans> thats what I got
[12:32] <vrkhans> like i said it showed up in lspci
[12:32] <vrkhans> but thats it
[12:32] <cellofellow> ok, just a minute
[12:35] <cellofellow> vrkhans: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[12:35] <cellofellow> dunno what to tell yah
[12:36] <cellofellow> vrkhans: how about searching or posting on the forums?
[12:37] <vrkhans> :-(
[12:37] <cheeseboy> wheres apache configuration file ?
[12:39] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[12:39] <cellofellow> vrkhans: this page says it should just work too. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsByVersion
[12:46] <cheeseboy> cellofellow do you know if mod_proxy is installed on ubuntus version of apache?
[12:46] <cellofellow> umm
[12:47] <cheeseboy> i want to run webmin
[12:47] <cellofellow> webmin is no biggie to install. If it needs mod_proxy it will depend on it like any other debian package.
[12:48] <cheeseboy> cellofellow you need to configure it differently if you run apache too
[12:48] <cellofellow> webmin uses port 10000 by default I think.
[12:48] <cellofellow> So it doesn't get bothered by Apache
[12:49] <cellofellow> I installed Apache first and then Webmin on Sarge and had not trouble at all.
[12:50] <cheeseboy> cellofellow im getting Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:10000.
[12:50] <cellofellow> I haven't tried it on Ubuntu and I don't have it running on my Etch server anymore.
[12:51] <cellofellow> We never have all the answers here. The net is full of info. Google.com/linux is your friend.
[12:51] <cheeseboy> ive googled
[12:56] <Pumpernickel> !webmin
[12:56] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[12:56] <cellofellow> oh, hmm
[12:56] <Pumpernickel> That being said, if you really want to continue using it, check that it's running and where it's listening with `netstat -l`.
[01:03] <cheeseboy> wheres perl located in ubuntu?
[01:03] <cellofellow> /usr/bin I think
[01:03] <cellofellow> which perl
[01:04] <cheeseboy>  /usr/bin/perl: Not a directory
[01:04] <cheeseboy> Full path to perl (default /usr/bin/perl):
[01:04] <cheeseboy> in webmin install
[01:08] <cheeseboy> !perl
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <cheeseboy> :0 vidd_laptop
[01:10] <vidd_laptop> hello cheeseboy
[01:10] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop: know where perl is ?
[01:10] <vidd_laptop> huh?
[01:11] <doop> does anyone use linvdr?