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ubuntu__k/ubuntu doesn't support ricoh cameras?01:23
Riddellbest ask gphoto01:28
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nixternalJucato: I see you had to bring up the name unification :)05:33
Jucatothat was sitting in my drafts for weeks actually...05:33
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Hobbseepre-emptive rescuing!05:33
Jucatohehehe :)05:33
Jucatocould also be pre-emptive drowning :P05:34
nixternalhiya Hobbsee05:34
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Jucatonixternal: sorry... but I really feel that the "Ubuntu with KDE" thing is a bit unfair/unfortunate for us...05:34
nixternaloh, ya so do I...plus it doesn't answer the marketing issues that people who couldn't market themselves out of a wet paper bag have proposed05:35
nixternalI responded to it with a true marketing standpoint, and nobody that was on the "unification" side even attempted to comment05:35
geniiIs anyone else getting weird   _:menu item kmenu: Program name here              type entries on the menu off of Kubuntu Tribe5 CD install? Gnome Gutsy then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't produce this strangeness05:35
nixternalgenii: it has been reported05:35
Hobbseethere's a bug reported of it05:35
Jucatogenii: see. :P05:36
geniiOK, cool05:36
nixternalI haven't seen it, but then again, it is starts with G it ain't for me :)05:36
nixternals/it is/if it05:36
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nixternalHobbsee: I think it only occurse when you install the kubuntu-desktop from within Ubuntu05:36
nixternalI haven't seen it on a typical Kubuntu install05:36
geniiAnything installed afterwards appears normally in the menus. just the initial entries are messed up05:36
Jucatohahah don't be deceived by initial letters nixternal :P05:37
Jucatogenii is one of our regular dependable helpers in #kubuntu :P05:37
Hobbseenixternal: ah right.05:37
nixternalgive me a g that is good, application wise :)05:37
Jucatogpg? :)05:37
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nixternalahh, I just got your whole "g" reference there05:37
nixternalOK, gpg is good, you got me there05:37
nixternalbet you can't do another one05:37
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Hobbseenixternal: gnupg.05:37
nixternalwell, that is what Jucato meant I think05:38
Hobbseenixternal: does sobby count?  i dont thinjk so05:38
nixternalooh, gobby is another good one05:38
Jucatodon't be fooled by K's either...Kino and k3d are not kde apps hahaha05:38
nixternalwe need a kobby :)05:38
nixternalcall it KornKobby05:38
Jucato(can't remember how many people were fooled by that)05:38
Hobbseenixternal: gcc tends to be useful, too...05:38
Hobbseenixternal: germinate!05:38
nixternalforgot about gcc05:38
geniiAlso a small but annoying thing... the kubuntu splash page seems stuck off centre at some resolution i had previous and modifying theme.rc for instance fails to do much05:39
Hobbseegettext, for you doc lovers05:39
Hobbseenixternal: grep!05:39
Hobbseenixternal: grub!05:39
Hobbseenixternal: our power manager.05:39
JucatoI think nixternal got the point now :)05:40
Hobbseenixternal: but no, nothing that starts with g at all is any good.  nope, nope.05:40
Jucatolong pointy stick of doom hehehe05:40
nixternalOK, I get it damnit, you guys just owned the hell out of me ;p05:40
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Hobbseenixternal: :D :D :D05:40
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nixternalnothing good about that stick05:40
Hobbseesure there is!05:40
geniiouch, the much feared Stick Of Doom05:40
Jucatogenii: which splash screen btw? usplash or ksplash?05:41
geniiStuck at 11280x1024 when i switched now to 1024x76805:42
genii1280 rather05:42
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Jucatoanyway, gotta prepare lunch. :)05:43
Jucatoer.. rather gotta prepare to *eat* lunch05:43
DaSkreechHobbsee: !! :)05:44
geniiI already tinkered with the kuntu theme.rc file and specified the correct resolution there but it seems stuck on the other resolution for some weird reason05:45
geniikdm is fine05:45
Hobbseehi DaSkreech!05:45
DaSkreechMucho Love :)05:46
Hobbseeyay, i'm not dropping off05:47
DaSkreechSo my router apparently hates my house05:47
Jucatogenii: have you tried other splash screens?05:47
geniiJucato: Every other one finds the correct resolution and ceners the "Starting KDE" pic05:48
DaSkreechOh what causes the hard freezes with Flash?05:48
geniiOh, except the one which is the kubuntu backend05:49
geniibluemoon or somesuch05:49
geniiafk, looking up exact name05:49
Jucatokubuntu backend?05:49
geniiJucato: The kubuntu ksplash theme uses Moodin as it's backend. That is the other one misbehaving per resolutions etc. Altho I also tried to force it's theme.rc file to my current settings05:51
geniino dice tho05:51
Jucatogenii: so any other moodin-based splash theme also shows the bug?05:52
geniiJucato: Not sure05:52
Jucatogenii: anyway, perhaps you could ping kwwii later. he's our chef artist05:52
Jucatoer.. chief05:52
geniiJucato: Since i dunno which others may use it.I have the stock ones which are standard, have not installed any new05:52
Jucatofingerprint uses it05:52
geniiI'll check it shortly. Am on my Feisty partition currently05:53
Jucatofingerprint and possibly moodinkde :)05:53
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geniiI'll reboot and chack. Be back shortly05:54
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geniiOK on gutsy now05:58
geniiFingerprint theme also messed up offcentrer06:00
geniiSomething in Moodin engine06:00
nixternalahhhhhh, I think I know what you are talking about...and yes I have only ever experienced it with Moodin06:01
geniiIt doesn't pick up what current desktop resolution is or something06:02
geniiAFK researching06:04
nixternalthat happens on my desktop as a matter of fact06:06
geniiDamn it looks like this issue has been around since 6.0606:06
nixternalI even changed the "virtual" to 1440x800 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it still didn't work correctly06:07
geniiper https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/4140706:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed] 06:07
geniiubotu is getting too smart or something :)06:07
geniiI wonder if it's possible to specify an alternate backend for kubuntu ksplash theme than moodin06:09
geniitinkering, afk06:09
nixternalthere are a couple of them06:09
geniiI'm switching to Redmond engine. Gonna logoff/on. BRB06:13
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geniiWell that didn't work as expected LOL06:14
geniiTrying Default engine. BRB06:17
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geniiDefault= not good either06:18
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geniiI'm tempted to delve into the Moodin source to see wht the hell it's doing06:19
geniibut not today :)06:19
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geniiHmm. An idea occurs. BRB06:20
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geniiThat was wild. Konversation had absolutely blank server list when I logged back in06:30
geniiI did sudo apt-get --purge remove ksplash-engine-moodin ;sudo apt-get install ksplash-engine-moodin      interestingly  package kwin-style-crystal seems to be involved in this process.06:32
geniiHeh :) ksplash now centered06:34
nixternalyo, we have a serious Kontact bug06:40
geniiNow if i can only figure out how this _:menu item kmenu: Appname thing06:40
geniinixternal: Pray tell06:41
nixternalall my mail is going to the garbage bin with "no subject" all the way across06:42
geniiwhoa thats nasty06:42
nixternaland it seems to be locking my accounts, when I go to check mail it gives me an I/O lock error with my password being in use06:43
geniiversion 1.2.4 ?06:45
nixternalwhatever the latest gutsy release is06:46
geniiIf on KDE 3.5.6 then likely 1.2.4 Kontact06:47
stdingutsy has KDE 3.5.706:47
geniiHmm yes, Kontact on mine say 1.2.506:49
geniiJust set up my POP there, seeing if anything is gonna get dumped etc06:52
geniinixternal: All my 2000+ mails arrived safely in the inbox06:53
geniiAre you using some spam filter?06:55
ubotuhost not found06:56
geniiOK I'm not ghosting06:56
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nixternalcould someone please review bug 135445 and bug 135446 ASAP. this is grave at least for me06:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13544506:57
geniiWow, crap from 199706:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13544606:57
nixternalusing the default spam filters with Kontact06:58
geniiBleh it seems to have started part 2 od d/l emails07:00
geniiOK, all 5348 emails have now been downloaded. Nothing seems to have gone directly to garbage07:02
nixternalthis is with the latest kdepim updates to gutsy correct?07:03
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geniinixternal: I have no pending updates07:03
nixternalit happens on both of my machines here07:04
Jucatomust be fun to be running on gutsy hehehe07:04
nixternalI can't afford this, I just lost 200 emails07:04
nixternalhope they weren't important07:04
geniiI'm using POP, are you on imap?07:04
nixternalI am using POP as well07:04
Jucatony very emphatic thank you letter to nixternal might have been one of those :)07:05
nixternalit only happens when you have "automatic email checking" turned on, or you manually check your email after Kontact/KMail has been open07:05
geniiI set up no spam filters, just set my POP account and checked mail.07:06
geniiHmm let me try checking it now07:06
genii"[01:05:51]  Transmission for account POP complete. No new messages"07:07
nixternalI just tested the spam filters, and that isn't the problem..I can mark an email as spam and it doesn't effect it07:09
nixternalthere, it just did it again on a manual download07:09
geniiWhat I find strangest is it rewrites the subject line07:10
nixternalit looks as if when doing a manual download of email, KMail is stripping the email of everything07:11
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geniiYes, headers appear to be stripped07:12
nixternaleverything is stripped07:13
geniiThat is just too freaking weird07:13
nixternalJucato: what turn?07:13
Jucatohm... stripped...07:13
Jucatonixternal: just an unrelated question. so it can wait07:14
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nixternalwell go for it..who knows how much longer I will be awake here07:14
geniiI wonder what it uses as backend07:14
JucatoI was just wondering if you've heard of Project Mallard, and if there are any.. um.. movements in the kde-docs side of things07:14
nixternalahh, Project Mallard, Gnomes largest vapor ware project :)07:15
Jucatohahah so it's not that.. um... good? :)07:15
geniiWell, I just realized i need to be awake in just less than 6 hours for work07:15
Jucatoit sounded quite nice, though07:15
nixternalno movements on KDE's side just yet, we have discussed it, but we are waiting for Project Mallard to get up and running before we decide07:15
geniiJucato , nixternal et al ... good night07:16
nixternalProject Mallard is between 2 and 3 years in the making, with nothing but comments from various people07:16
Jucatog'night genii!07:16
nixternalg'nite genii07:16
Jucatoah I see...07:16
nixternalJucato: Gnome is creating a whole nother language just to do this, which is rather crazy07:16
Jucatoshaunm's mystical new language - much easier than docbook <--- like that?07:17
nixternalsomehow it is apart of the whole Freedesktop.org deal as well, which is rather annoying07:17
nixternaldocbook is about as easy as it gets07:17
nixternaltheir reason for ditching docbook for their own language is because docbook has to much07:17
nixternalI will believe Project Mallard when I see it07:17
Jucatocouldn't they just use a subset of what docbook has?07:18
Jucatoer.. that's coming from someone who hasn't used docbook eheheh07:18
nixternalyes, but there are some things they supposedly do not like07:18
JucatoI see... ok. I was just wondering. actually "anxious" is the proper term... another innovation from them that would subtly make it into fd.o and take us by surprise :P07:19
nixternalJucato: if you want to get into helping out with the KDE 4 documentation, we could definitely use you...it is so easy to learn and pick up, a lot of the work is there, and even writing a new document is so easy as we have templates and the electronic breakfast network to tell us when we are doing something wrong07:19
nixternalI don't think I want to get started with the fd.o and gnome..I did at a recent LUG event due to smartasses and their KDE comments07:20
Jucatoheh.. fd.o.. :)07:20
nixternalI am kind of tired of the whole "point and click" stuff about KDE...people who know me and know how I work, will tell you that I hardly ever use the mouse07:20
Jucatobut I doubt I could dive in before 4.0 is released (October or January, whichever they decide). I still haven't really settled back in yet. But I do plan on learning to use docbook for myself, so I'll probably hit 2 birds w/ one stone07:21
nixternalJucato: sure you could dive in, when you are ready of course07:21
nixternalthere is PhilRod, jjesse, and myself to help you out..and once you see how everything works, which won't take long, you will be a docbook mastah!07:21
Jucatoyeah philrod. and there's annma too.07:22
Jucatothey helped me get my theming guide into the docs :)07:22
nixternaland that is the cruddy part...as it stands, there is really just PhilRod and myself working on the docs somewhat full-time...jjesse is just now getting up to speed..actually, he is up to speed, but is he going to be expanding07:22
nixternalahh ya, forgot about annma, don't tell her that though...she will need a lot of help with the KOffice 2 docs07:22
Jucatoactually all doc guys will need a lot of help.. I can't even imagine how you would start with everything in KDE 4.0 still a bit.. um... dunno..07:23
nixternalthat is why I am trying to get the Kubuntu docs finished very quickly so I can spend time over at KDE for a bit07:23
nixternalwell, we are building a list of docs that are ready to start for applications that are at least 75% complete07:24
nixternalie. Okular right now07:24
Jucatoanyway, don't let me keep you away from your cozy bed any longer hehehe07:25
nixternalwe are also looking at revamping KHelpCenter...Phil just received the usability report on it, so hopefully that will start07:25
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nixternalthere has been some of our code committed to KHC, but there is a lot to go07:25
nixternalKDE 4 is going to have a "What's this" for just about everything, and we have to incorporate all of that as well07:25
nixternaloh, I still have a few before I go up...gotta finish my tea first07:25
Jucatooooh tea!07:26
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Jucatojust ran out of brown rice tea :(07:26
nixternalya, I have become a green tea junky07:26
nixternalspeaking of the devil himself!07:26
Jucatoheheh I've always been one :)07:26
Jucatohi jjesse!!07:26
nixternaljjesse: trying to recruit Jucato for some KDE 4 doco love07:26
nixternalI think I am close :)07:26
Jucatonixternal: you don't know how much I want to work on coding, packaging, and documentation... (not to mention usability stuff)07:27
Jucatobut as I figured out in my absence, I can't do them all that well at the same time :(07:27
nixternalJucato: just dive on in...that is what I did...I still want to get more into coding though07:27
Jucatolol I remember my last dive into packaging... I ended up rm'ing my /home :P07:28
nixternalif you start now, you can make MOTU by Gutsy+107:28
nixternalit took me 4 cycles to make MOTU07:28
Jucatoouch :)07:28
nixternalwell, I didn't really start doing MOTU stuff though until Feisty and picked it up as I went07:29
Jucatohm.. I'm taking it a bit slow for a reason. I'm trying to review the packaging guide to see some areas that it doesn't do well from the beginner's perspective07:29
Jucatow/c means I also have to read the Debian NM guide as well07:29
nixternalya, the Debian NM, and the DD guide as well07:29
nixternalif you use CDBS for packaging, it is so much easier07:30
Jucatoso I've heard. from hardest to easiest: manual, dpatch, cdbs. right?07:30
nixternalwhat I would do is just download stuff from kde-apps and package them07:30
Jucatoyeah that's what I was thinking.07:30
nixternalanother good thing is go through the debian svn repos to see how they do it as well07:31
JucatoI just found the packaging guide a bit too sparse (specially about CDBS) and lacking in practical examples... the only real example there is GNU Hello.. :/07:31
Jucatoanyway, more on that later on... gotta catch up w/ my C++ and try to finish at least polymorphism and inheritance by Sept...07:31
nixternalya, that is why you need the 2 debian guides to go with the ubuntu guide07:32
nixternalman, you could easily replace c++ in that statement with java...I am taking advanced c++ and advanced java right now in school and they are to similar that it is scary07:32
Jucatoexcept that C++ is (thankfully?) not object-constrained...07:33
JucatoI'll finally get a taste of computer science education here next year! yay!07:33
Jucatoyeah, but it's only a Diploma degree (2 years)... but it's online. makes it sweeter :)07:34
DaSkreechhas KDe ever gotten anything into FDo?07:34
nixternalI am doing my CS degree similar to that..I have some online courses and quite a few classroom courses07:34
JucatoDaSkreech: lots...07:35
Jucatoer.. into?07:35
Jucatonah not much I think07:35
nixternalDaSkreech: dunno...I quit looking at fd.o because it seems it was trying to stop kde from doing the things we do, that work great on top of that07:35
DaSkreechEverytime I hear something from FD it's pretty much Oh Gnome said...07:36
JucatoI feel a bit that way too... although aseigo and Sho_ assures me that it's not all that bad07:36
nixternalditto Jucato07:37
DaSkreechso they are dropping docbook?07:37
Jucatomaybe not... yet...07:39
nixternalOK, bed time...g'nite07:40
Jucatobye!!  and thanks again07:40
nixternalno problem07:40
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Hobbseenixternal: send the kmail bugs upstream, not to launchpad.08:46
freeflyingkontact crashs bug was fixed now?08:50
Hobbseenot unless someone fixed it08:51
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Riddellfreeflying: should be09:32
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ?10:26
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the /etc/kderc and /etc/kde-user-profile, would you prefer to have them modified via a patch or a dpkg-divert in k-d-s10:26
Tonio_Riddell: as the config I'm doing for profiles is done via groups added via k-d-s, I suspect that dpkg-divert is probably the better choice in that case...10:27
RiddellTonio_: modified for what?10:47
Tonio_Riddell: for groups as we discussed yesterday10:48
Tonio_Riddell: adding system groups and then make a user use a specific profile just adding him to a group10:48
Tonio_you seemed to agree on that approach10:48
Tonio_Riddell: easier for the guys to get the profile they want that way10:49
Tonio_Riddell: the point is that I can of course fix kderc via a patch, but as this only work with k-d-s installed, I thought installing the fixed files via dpkg-divert was easier (and that another patch we won't maintain in the future)10:50
Tonio_Riddell: to make it simple :10:51
Tonio_Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/577 http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/57810:51
Tonio_added to this you create the corresponding system groups10:51
Tonio_and then it makes it easy to set a user to use an accessibility group10:52
RiddellTonio_: those groups don't seem to override from the normal k-d-s10:53
RiddellTonio_: you'll need to modify casper if you want to do this10:53
Tonio_Riddell: works for me....10:53
Tonio_Riddell: add yourself to the wanted group and then you use the wanted profile10:54
Tonio_Riddell: what is the problem with casper ? adding groups ?10:55
Riddellit would probably be easiest just to have these in the default kderc file10:56
Riddellcasper would need to be changed from editing kderc to adding and editing groups10:56
Tonio_Riddell: but that's makes it depends on k-d-s as the profile then don't exist right ?10:56
Riddelladd a comment saying "#this won't work without k-d-s"10:57
Tonio_Riddell: sorry but I don't understand you concerning casper10:57
Tonio_is casper editing kderc ?10:58
Tonio_so fixed kderc isn't done via a kdebase patch ? interesting10:59
Tonio_Riddell: probably too late in the dev cycle for such a change right..... but I have to keep that in mind for gutsy+111:00
Riddellit couldn't be done with a kdebase patch, it depends on what the user chooses11:01
Riddell(your way round it can be, but then groups have to be edited)11:01
Riddellprobably best for gutsy+111:01
Riddelloh, and I believe the name for that is due to be announced this week11:01
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, great :)11:02
Tonio_Riddell: okay let's add this for gutsy+111:03
Tonio_Riddell: I have a big bug with the latest kdepim you uploaded....11:06
Tonio_Riddell: pasting something to a mail editing window causes kontact to crash11:06
Tonio_restarting kde to reproduce....11:06
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Tonio_Riddell: confirmed....11:08
RiddellTonio_: please get a backtrace and report to till on #kontact11:10
Riddellkdepim-dbg should work for backtraces11:10
Tonio_Riddell: sure11:10
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RiddellTonio_: did you upload the nspluginviewer "fix"?11:17
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Tonio_Riddell: yes11:19
Riddellso you did, thanks11:21
Riddellug, kdebase build-dep on libgtk, evil11:21
Tonio_Riddell: yes, that's the problem.....11:23
Tonio_Riddell: well that's temporary, waiting for something else....11:24
Tonio_Riddell: evil, but better than konqueror crashing imho....11:25
Tonio_Riddell: hard to get a backtrace of kontact..... it just hangs and then closes....11:27
Tonio_Riddell: btw, I can paste on any field (TO, CC...), except from the standard text one11:28
Tonio_Riddell: also, right-click and paste works.....11:28
Tonio_Riddell: till is already aware of the issue, so we can expect a fix soon I suspect :)11:31
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glatzorRiddell: hello, could you please join #launchpad. there is aproblem with the automatically added translator credits in kde that could be solved quite easy for a KDE developer11:49
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freeflyingRiddell: kontact has strange behaviar now, it will bring up two threads, but it will not display its GUI12:00
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Riddellfreeflying: best to tell till in #kontact12:05
KuhrscherHello everybody, with the last launchpad release the translators from Launchpad get included into the translator credits in the "About" dialog of each program.12:08
KuhrscherThis look quite ok in Ubuntu, but really horrible in Kubuntu/KDE.12:08
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KuhrscherWhat we need to make it look reasonable would be just a small patch to kdelibs:12:08
KuhrscherWe should add a translateable title above the original upstream translators (eg. "Upstream translators") followed by the normal list of translator names and their mail adresses.12:08
KuhrscherAnd a new section for the Lauchpad translators below, with their names and http links to their launchpad accounts. This section should be separted from the upstream translators by a free line and get a translatable title like "Launchpad translators".12:09
KuhrscherUnfortunatly I am just a translator and cannot do the necessary patch myself...12:09
KuhrscherCould someone of you help with this issue?12:10
KuhrscherRiddell offered to mentor it :)12:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress] 12:12
RiddellKuhrscher: you can also try the mailing list (which should accept posting the ubuntu e-mail addresses)12:13
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just playing a bit with strigi12:18
Tonio_Riddell: looks like opening a file doesn't work as expected..... jstream:/ doesn't work well12:18
Tonio_Riddell: is that known problem or should I investigate ?12:19
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Tonio_Riddell: just noticed there are even errors on the html output in konq...12:28
KuhrscherRiddell: Ok, I subscribed kubuntu-devel and posted it there again... We will see if it helps...12:29
RiddellTonio_: html errors at start I know about, jos has no idea why it would happen12:39
Tonio_Riddell: tested with the latest debian package, same issue.....12:40
Tonio_Riddell: btw are you interested in an update ?12:40
Tonio_Riddell: and does jstream complain when you click on a found file to open it ?12:40
RiddellTonio_: update to what?12:41
Tonio_Riddell: 0.5.212:42
Tonio_strigi applet12:42
Riddellwhat's changed?12:42
RiddellI really want to change strigi applet so it's a systray icon with popup text field12:42
Riddellthen we can have it on by default12:42
Tonio_no changelog provided upstream12:42
Riddellhmm, I thought we were on 0.5.212:43
Tonio_Riddell: nope ....12:43
Riddellthat's fine, it can just be synced?12:43
Tonio_Riddell: closing kde bug 42949012:43
Tonio_debian bug 42949012:43
ubotuDebian bug 429490 in strigi-applet "strigi-applet is not usable by kicker due to a missing symbol" [Important,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/42949012:43
Tonio_Riddell: yes, can be sync, that's okay12:44
Tonio_Riddell: stupid question but how to request for a sync? I never did that ;)12:44
RiddellTonio_: please file a request and subscribe ubuntu-release (then I ack and subscribe ubuntu-archive and seb should do it)12:44
Tonio_Riddell: just a bug request.... let's do it12:45
Tonio_Riddell: done, see bug 13552112:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13552112:48
Tonio_Riddell: I'll try to figure out the html encoding issue....12:49
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RiddellTonio_: it'll be fiddly, the first few characters of the ioslave output are turned to spaces12:49
Riddella quick patch would be just to add say 10 spaces at the start before the <?xml12:50
Riddellbut a proper fix probably needs to debug ioslave foo12:50
Riddellit's not consistent, it doesn't always happen12:50
Tonio_Riddell: happens everytime for me at least....12:50
Tonio_Riddell: very strange behavior, do you consider this a kdebase/libs issue or a strigi bug ?12:51
Tonio_Riddell: btw jstream not working is bigguer issue12:51
Riddellprobably strigi but hard to say12:51
Tonio_Riddell: I don't get preview for text files on the ioslave, and jstream cannot open anything....12:51
RiddellI don't think I've ever acually used jstream consciously12:52
Tonio_Riddell: to make it simple, compared to the screenshots on the official website, our strigi integration sucks..... nothing works as expected....12:52
Tonio_Riddell: just search for a word and try to click on a result for viewing...... doesn't work12:52
Tonio_let's try to improve this a bit....12:52
Riddelljos says he's getting a new computer this weekend and will put gutsy on it12:53
RiddellTonio_: please add the 0.5.2 debian changelog to bug 13552112:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13552112:53
Tonio_Riddell: sure12:54
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the html output, that's interesting since I have a very specific case here..... browsing Web type results has the issue12:55
Tonio_"Other" type doesn't, so there might be a difference....12:55
Tonio_Riddell: what if you search for this for example :12:56
Tonio_can you confirm what I see ?12:56
RiddellTonio_: they look exactly the same to me12:58
RiddellTonio_: vandenoever is on irc if you want to ask in #strigi12:59
Tonio_Riddell: true, depends if I refresh or not.......... really weird......01:00
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mhbit is kinda early to announce hardy, but hooray (if it is official)!01:32
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Jucatohardy heron eh?02:04
Tonio_allee: lots of commits today on kdebluetooth, preparing a package02:05
Tonio_allee: new files added btw02:06
mhbJucato: not eh, hooray!, you upstreamer :o)02:17
alleeTonio_: cool.  Hopefully kinputwizard is fixed then.   FWIW: BT mice added via hidd --search, are forgotten after reboot or a long idle times.02:18
Jucatonah... I'm just thinking of jokes that would revovle around a "hard(y) bird"...02:18
alleeTonio_: did you try kbt-wait and the autstart desktop file?02:18
Tonio_allee: not yet02:19
Tonio_allee: I have a segfault somewhere....02:19
Tonio_allee: what if you use the paired device tool and then click on one of the devices name ?02:19
Tonio_it should open as if clicking on the +02:20
Tonio_+ works, but the name gives a segfault here02:20
Tonio_allee: I can't test the kbt-wait in fact, all my computers are bluetooth enabled02:23
Tonio_and no way to disable the chipset02:24
alleeTonio_: well at least you can test that bkt-wait start kbluetooth ;)   So either trust me that start on plugin works, or try blacklist the bt device module. hehe02:27
Tonio_yep, that I can test02:27
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alleeTonio_: ah, if you quit kblueooth and insert an external BT stick, kbt should be restarted too.   I rely on the fact that kbt is a uniq app, so if running one just gets a 'kblueooth already running message'02:29
allee... instead of testing if kbt already run and only start if it does not02:30
RiddellStecchino: I requested the vote02:30
Stecchinoyes, I got the mail02:30
Stecchinohow long do the members get to vote02:31
Riddellthree weeks I think02:31
Riddellalthough we might have agreed to shorten it, I don't remember02:31
StecchinoI'll be on holiday when the results are in then :)02:31
RiddellI can send you a text if you give me your mobile number02:32
Tonio_allee: yeah but what if you unplug the device and insert it again ?02:32
Tonio_or better, plug another device ?02:32
StecchinoRiddell: I'll probably take my laptop with me anyway02:32
Stecchinohave some hacking to do on Mobile Amarok02:33
StecchinoStill waiting for my greenphone :)02:33
alleeTonio_: I only listen to plug in events, making sure that kbluetooth  gets started if a device is plugged in.02:33
Riddellsounds exciting02:34
alleeTonio_: When 2nd bt device appears and 1st is removed, it's kblueooth task to use it as new default device02:34
Tonio_allee: yep02:34
Tonio_allee: btw shouldn't it be a kbluetooth task to be able to start waiting for a device to be plugued02:35
alleeTonio_: afaiu such a setup in not supported.  but it's exotic enough to wait for KDE402:35
Tonio_allee: that's my point in fact ;)02:35
Tonio_true that02:35
Tonio_okay so let's test this02:35
Tonio_allee: also, you pythong scripts requires universe material...... that's the problem I can see with it02:35
Tonio_but I'll test today, I promiss that :)02:35
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alleeTonio_: hey, kblueooth could do it.  Especially as kbt does not exit when device is unplugged, just uses an even more dark 'b' icon.02:36
Tonio_allee: hehe02:37
alleeTonio_: Riddell mentioned that a MIR would be possible if needed.  FWIW, I doubt that kbt will support auto-start-and-wait-in-bg when no device is available.02:38
alleeTonio_: upstream (all SuSE devs afaik) have already a working autostart script + suseplug prog  that start kbt just like kbt-wait does02:38
alleeat least for KDE302:39
Tonio_allee: oki02:39
Tonio_allee: so the perfect thing would just be to patch kbluetooth to quit on unplug right ?02:39
Tonio_allee: I can't see your mail, can you send it again ? I suspect my bogofilter doesn't like you ;)02:41
Tonio_allee: tonio@ubuntu.com02:41
alleeTonio_:  kbt-wait has a dummy hook to catch device removal.   But I don't care kbt running when no device is available.02:41
Tonio_allee: no but if you plug anotehr device, quitting the application and restarting it would be nice02:41
alleeTonio_: most important is that kbt does not run when BT is/was never available\02:41
Tonio_allee: sure, but what would the problem in killing the app that way ?02:42
Tonio_allee: btw I realy can't find your mail..... resending would be nice :) ;)02:44
alleeTonio_: never tried,   Saving some memory versus requires startup time/disk io.  Pick your favorite ;)   At least in battery I prefer kbt to just run when I unplug BT02:44
alleeTonio_: sent.  I'll replace laposte in kaddressbook ...02:45
Tonio_allee: those adresses are the same mailbox in fact ;)02:45
alleeTonio_: Strange.02:46
Tonio_antispam, that's it02:46
alleeI'll resent again to tonio@kubuntu.org if that's To: is more trustworthy to your spam software ;)02:48
Tonio_allee: I don't even know if that address works :)02:48
Tonio_should, we'll see :)02:48
alleetest msg sent :)02:49
alleeTonio_: kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35674   autostart: http://paste.debian.net/3567602:51
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Tonio_allee: shame on you !!!!!!!!!02:52
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alleeTonio_: fixed: http://paste.debian.net/3568002:57
nixternalwe can't link to upstream bugs anymore with LP?03:01
Hobbseenixternal: we can03:01
Hobbseenixternal: it's just confusing.  ask in #launchpad as to how03:01
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nixternaljeesh, gotta love when they change a good thing and make it a pita03:02
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Tonio_allee: super let's test03:04
Tonio_allee: afaics python-dbus is in main...... isn't that just what's needed ?03:08
nixternalHobbsee: I added both of my reports upstream03:10
alleeTonio_: oh, yes python-dbus is main. Great!   ( Looks like I checked feisty last week instead of gutsy :(  )03:10
Hobbseenixternal: cool :)03:10
Tonio_allee: how would you stop bluetooth if the device number goes to 0 ?03:10
nixternalI was going to do it last night, but my pillow was calling my name :)03:10
Tonio_s/bluetooth/bluetooth ?03:10
Tonio_allee: once that done, I'll patch kbluetooth to forget about its autostart and we'll deal with the autostart with your script03:11
Tonio_allee: we should stop kbluetooth if a device is removed as there be several devices03:11
Tonio_but when there are 0 devices, it makes sense stoping this03:11
Tonio_especialy when you still can start it manually03:12
alleeTonio:  dcop kdebluetooth  MainApplication-Interface quit03:12
Tonio_allee: yeah but I mean within your script03:13
alleeTonio_: and what about kbluemon kinputwizard ... ?03:13
Tonio_allee: isn't there a way to just kill the process ?03:13
Tonio_allee: my mouse is in charge, I'll test in a moment03:13
alleedistutils.spawn.spawn(['/usr/bin/dcop', kbtcmd, 'MainApplication-Interface' 'quit' ] )03:14
alleeshould work.   But IMHO it's not worth the trouble.03:15
alleeTonio_: I mean add distutils.... below def slotAdapterRemoved(device):03:15
Tonio_allee: you meandistutils.spawn.spawn([kbtquitcmd] )03:17
Tonio_where kbtquitcmd = '/usr/bin/dcop kdebluetooth  MainApplication-Interface quit'03:17
alleeTonio_: I can add it.  I just have a user here.  brb03:18
Tonio_thought using sys.exec would be better, no ?03:18
Tonio_allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/58303:22
Tonio_should be right no ?03:22
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Tonio_allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/58603:47
Tonio_allee: should be nice this time03:47
Tonio_allee: dunno if it's better checking if kbluetooth is running.....03:47
kwwiican someone check and see that we have included the new color scheme for the desktop?03:48
kwwiialso, we need to put that new color scheme in kdm as well03:48
Riddellkwwii: default is like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/clours.png03:55
kwwiiRiddell: hrm, those are the new colors...I thought otherwise because someone came in with screenshots complaining that they still had the old colors03:56
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alleeTonio_: os.execl gives: ERROR: Communication problem with kdebluetooth, it probably crashed.03:57
Tm_Phi kids03:57
Riddellkwwii: kdm looks the same to me, purpley selection colour03:58
alleeTonio_: kbt-wait is my first python script.  So I'm sure there a better way than distutils.  but that was the first I found that DWIW when I grep'ed python-support tree :)03:58
kwwiiRiddell: then we need to use the new colors from the desktop (the ones in your screenshot) in kdm as well03:58
Tonio_allee: yeah doesn't work, I'm fixing this03:59
kwwiiie. the selection color should not be purple anymore03:59
alleeTonio_: wait I'm working already on it04:00
Riddellkwwii: that looks like purple to me on that screenshot04:01
kwwiiRiddell: funky, it doesn't look to purple here...04:02
Riddellkwwii: well I think kdm is the same colour whatever it is04:03
kwwiiRiddell: I will look into this then and upload something ASAP04:03
Riddellalthough I've kindae forgotten where kdm sets its colours04:04
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, it does not appear to be in the kdm-theme04:06
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Tonio_allee: this works : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/58704:22
Tonio_just tested here, both commands are working04:25
alleeTonio_: eh?  Interesting.  I'm experimenting with stop the other bluetooth proccess04:29
Tonio_allee: oki04:30
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mhbyum yum, new kde4 beta soonish04:39
mhbI am really looking forward to the packages04:41
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alleeTonio_: one question: as python-dbus is same for python 2.4 and python 2.5.  I assume I better change #! to just python, right?04:50
Tonio_allee: I suspect so ;)04:51
Tonio_allee: just patches kbluetooth to remove it's autostart thing as the script does it now, and patched to remove the buggy hiding icon functionnality04:51
Tonio_allee: just added your scripts in it, so we can test04:51
alleeTonio_:  updated kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35694   I don't kill kbluelock, better save than sorry.  Better save than sorry.04:53
alleeTonio_: what's strange is that I never saw the 'hidden' icon thing again04:54
alleeTonio_: fwiw: my modified autodesktop file contains important fixes too04:55
Tonio_allee: where is it ?04:55
allee http://paste.debian.net/3567604:55
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alleeTonio_: e.g., if this dcop uniq thing is not removed from autostart.desktop,  logout dialog is blocked until one kills kbt-wait .  Too some time to figures this out ;)04:57
Tonio_allee: oki04:58
Tm_Panyone knows way to get jar of (k)ubuntu cookies/candy ??04:58
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Tonio_allee: I just renamed your script to kbluetoothd and changed the exec command in the desktop file04:58
Tonio_allee: makes sense no ?04:58
alleeTonio_: Uhmm, that the 0.99 name.  Think it's no good idea, confusing.    Maybe somethiing like  kblueplug(ger) as the other pkgs start also with kblue<whatever>05:01
alleeor kblueminid :)05:02
Tonio_allee: right05:03
Tonio_Riddell: what is very strange with the nspluginviewer patch is that it looks now more stable when browsing a website with a lot of flash in it05:07
Tonio_Riddell: I regularly had konqueror crashes several websites, that I can't reproduce today.... :)05:08
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alleeTonio_: one k-d-s bug(?): I switched to gusty last night.  The I've logged out in feisty/rsynced home dir.  Now login progress dialog in gutsty is still as it was in feisty.  Known problem?05:12
Tonio_allee: you mean small size instead of big right ?05:13
alleeTonio_: no bg  and colors are as in feisty.  For new users login prograss is as kdm login and default bg05:14
alleeTonio_: as soon as login progress is done I see the gusty bg05:15
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Tonio_allee: hum, strange problem05:15
Tonio_allee: no kspash entry in your profile .05:15
alleekdm grfx -> gusty, login progress -> feisty,  desktop bg -> gusty05:15
alleeI'll grep for it05:16
Riddellallee: yes, the ksplash-moodin theme is cached05:16
Tonio_should be something in your profile I suspect05:16
alleeTonio_: I sure (hah) that I never touched it ;)05:16
Tonio_Riddell: ah ? when did that happen ? I didn't saw any change on that point ......05:16
Tonio_Riddell: oups, cashed <> crashed :) sorry05:17
Riddellallee: volunteers welcome for a patch to make it forget the cache when theme has changed05:18
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alleeRiddell: hmm,  I would prefer to volunteer to patch, whatever changes my external monitor to resolution of my laptop.  Most annoying to switch back everytime with krandrtray.  Any idea what program does it?05:20
alleekdm login greeting uses correct resolution for my external monitor.  Then as soon as login process starts: 1900x1200 changes to 1680x1050 :(05:22
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Tonio_Riddell: well a nasty workarround could be to clear the cache on logout, that's pretty easy to do in startkde..... but that's not very clean, although working05:25
alleeTonio_: where are those cached files stored?05:26
Tonio_allee: .kde/share/apps/ksplash05:26
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alleeTonio_: uhm, the cached files don't save from which files they are created.  (interesting: no chached files for the new size of my laptop display)05:30
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Tonio_allee: I wonder when is the cache created, as I've nothing in my .kde05:33
Tonio_allee: looks like depends if there is or not a background for your resolution in fact05:34
Tonio_allee: there is for mine05:34
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Tonio_so the cache is a good thing to avoid doing the resize every time05:34
Tonio_allee: I didn't figure out that before... :)05:35
Tonio_Riddell: got a plan, but pretty hard to fix moodin for this05:36
alleeTonio_: maybe this change-resulution-to-#$%! on login prevents me getting an updated cache :(    Have to logout/in to check it.05:36
RiddellTonio_: .kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/05:37
Tonio_Riddell: here is the point, at logout, via startkde, compare the md5sum of the file to the one putted in a file via the same script05:37
Tonio_Riddell: if md5sum changes, delete the cache05:37
Tonio_Riddell: that would work, but is a bash script.....05:37
Riddellor if the date is newer05:38
Tonio_Riddell: isn't the md5sum enough ?05:38
Tonio_Riddell: the problem is that this will only work for future updates, not for the people switching from feisty to gutsy05:40
Tonio_hum got it, delete the cache if no tag-file exists initialy, that should work05:40
Tonio_Riddell: want me to do this ?05:40
Riddelljust comparing dates is fine, no need to store an md5sum anywhere05:42
Tonio_Riddell: a file used to store the md5sum for example so that it is easy to compare05:42
Tonio_Riddell: yeah but we have to store the date somewhere right ?05:43
Riddellfilesystems already store dates05:43
Tonio_otherwise, what to compare the date with ?05:43
Riddellthe wallpaper05:43
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Tonio_Riddell: I don't follow you, the cache will always be newer than the wallpaper, since create at login.....05:44
Tonio_Riddell: I must missunderstand you :)05:44
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Riddell...unless the wallpaper has been updated05:45
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Tonio_Riddell: right, that's obvious.....05:46
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alleeTonio_: files in deb are installed with time stamp preserved.  Maintainer add new wallpager.   User login.  User updates pkg.  Now cache image is newer than image from deb05:47
alleeto prevent it the postinst would have to touch every wallpaper05:48
Tonio_allee: :(05:49
Tonio_okay, but we can do that05:50
alleeIMHO it would be better if  the info file would save date of the image used to create the cache bg image05:50
alleeas it looks to me the date in the info file is the one of the bg image.  If no idea why that should be interesting.05:51
ryanakcaRiddell: ping?06:14
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ryanakcaWhenever you get a chance?06:14
Riddellhi ryanakca06:15
ryanakcaHi... mind telling me if anybody else needs accounts, and if not, I'll get to mailing out the login info?06:15
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fdovingryanakca: is that the groupware thing?06:16
fdovingis that just for testing or something usefull?06:16
ryanakcaor so I hope06:16
fdovingok, then i'll take one too if that's ok :)06:16
ryanakcaI've had interest in it from quite a few people, but if it actually gets used... dunno06:17
ryanakcafdoving: you're a kubuntu member, right?06:17
ryanakcaall kubuntu members have one :)06:17
fdovinghow do i access it then?06:17
Riddellryanakca: can't think of anyone else06:18
ryanakcaRiddell: okies06:18
ryanakcathanks :)06:18
ryanakcafdoving: https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/egroupware/06:18
ryanakcayou'll login with your launchpad ID and a password... which I have to set and mail out... people can then log in and run passwd06:19
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alleeryanakca: run passwd?  You mean all kubuntu members have an shell account there?  (They just don't know the password :)06:49
ryanakcaallee: *nods*07:06
ryanakcaallee: it's the only way I can think of to have people change their password07:07
ryanakcaallee: because the login to egroupware is the mail login password, which is the user's system password07:07
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alleeryanakca: k.  I was just asthonished that egroupware can't/configured to handle users on it's own07:13
ryanakcaallee: it can handle them on its own, but I find its easier to just have to create one account(system), rather than two (system & egroupware)... of course, I could've used virtual(8) for postfix, and managed it in (vmail-mysql-db & egroupware), but the people in #postfix strongly recommended not to, for 1 domain07:15
alleeah, okay.07:15
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DaSkreechNo hippos???07:57
DaSkreechso any ideas for Heron?07:58
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miliancan anyone confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/135627 ?08:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135627 in k3b "k3b fails to burn in gutsy" [Undecided,New] 08:22
Riddellmilian: works for me08:35
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milianok, I'll try to look more into it08:36
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Riddellmilian: which doesn't mean to say it isn't broken on other hardware of course08:41
milianwell it worked like a charm since I use kubuntu which would be since the alpha days of dapper, riddell08:44
milianbut I do have a new computer setup (with the old burner) so I am not sure08:44
milianoh hell no, it looks like the dvd roms are the fault08:52
milianI hope I can get my money back for them...08:53
Riddellarse, kdesudo breaks dist upgrade tool called from adept09:02
nixternalRiddell: does the "restart" notification work at all? it seems I am never notified about rebooting after certain updates09:04
nixternalI also bought my Lotto tickets today, so after I win 300+ million dollars, I will share it with you guys...how about a week long vacation to anywhere in the world :)09:05
Riddellnixternal: it should do09:05
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Riddellwhich certain updates?09:06
nixternalwell, I found out today that in Gutsy, when the battery goes empty, the computer shuts itself down, and when I am plugged back in, it comes back up just like the way I left it :)09:06
nixternallibc, libglad and such09:06
nixternaldon't know if I had a Linux kernel upgrade since then, but I would think that any applications that runs initramfs would need a reboot afterwords09:07
nixternalafterwards rather09:07
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_StefanS_Tonio_: I think I've found something related to the input devices bug in kbluetooth, will get back to you on that.10:14
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nixternalOK, this Enterprise KDEPIM is evil!11:30
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nixternalI am starting to think there is no "proper" kdepim :)11:46
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Riddellnixternal: what's your problem?11:55
Riddell21:41 < sbalneav> kwii?  Is that pronounced "kwee", or is it the kde version of world war 2?11:55
Riddellwhat is it that makes people's minds think that about kwwii11:55
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nixternalRiddell: bug 135445 and bug 135446 - I have reported both upstream as well12:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13544512:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13544612:08
jdongnixternal: yay kt 2.2.212:09
jdongI'm trying to figure out WTF is changed12:09
jdongand decide if it's worth UVF'ing12:09
jdongI can tell you what hasn't changed.12:10
jdongthe changelog12:10
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DaSkreechnixternal: How about you buy a bunch of MS stock and then vote for them to open source the code put up the patent proof and shut up?12:35
DaSkreechRiddell: cause if you see WWII you think world war two?12:36

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