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| ubuntu__ | k/ubuntu doesn't support ricoh cameras? | 01:23 |
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| nixternal | Jucato: I see you had to bring up the name unification :) | 05:33 |
| Jucato | heheh... | 05:33 |
| Jucato | that was sitting in my drafts for weeks actually... | 05:33 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| === Hobbsee rescues Jucato | ||
| === Jucato looks for a lifesaver this time | ||
| Hobbsee | pre-emptive rescuing! | 05:33 |
| Jucato | hehehe :) | 05:33 |
| Jucato | could also be pre-emptive drowning :P | 05:34 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 05:34 |
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| Jucato | nixternal: sorry... but I really feel that the "Ubuntu with KDE" thing is a bit unfair/unfortunate for us... | 05:34 |
| nixternal | oh, ya so do I...plus it doesn't answer the marketing issues that people who couldn't market themselves out of a wet paper bag have proposed | 05:35 |
| nixternal | I responded to it with a true marketing standpoint, and nobody that was on the "unification" side even attempted to comment | 05:35 |
| genii | Is anyone else getting weird _:menu item kmenu: Program name here type entries on the menu off of Kubuntu Tribe5 CD install? Gnome Gutsy then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't produce this strangeness | 05:35 |
| nixternal | genii: it has been reported | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | there's a bug reported of it | 05:35 |
| Jucato | genii: see. :P | 05:36 |
| genii | OK, cool | 05:36 |
| nixternal | I haven't seen it, but then again, it is starts with G it ain't for me :) | 05:36 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:36 |
| nixternal | s/it is/if it | 05:36 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt seen the bug, maybe it's from a t5 install. | ||
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I think it only occurse when you install the kubuntu-desktop from within Ubuntu | 05:36 |
| nixternal | I haven't seen it on a typical Kubuntu install | 05:36 |
| genii | Anything installed afterwards appears normally in the menus. just the initial entries are messed up | 05:36 |
| Jucato | hahah don't be deceived by initial letters nixternal :P | 05:37 |
| Jucato | genii is one of our regular dependable helpers in #kubuntu :P | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: ah right. | 05:37 |
| nixternal | give me a g that is good, application wise :) | 05:37 |
| Jucato | gpg? :) | 05:37 |
| === genii slides Jucato a beer (or coffee if you prefer) | ||
| nixternal | ahh, I just got your whole "g" reference there | 05:37 |
| nixternal | OK, gpg is good, you got me there | 05:37 |
| Jucato | hehe | 05:37 |
| nixternal | bet you can't do another one | 05:37 |
| === Hobbsee notes that firefox doesnt begin with a g. | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: gnupg. | 05:37 |
| nixternal | well, that is what Jucato meant I think | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: does sobby count? i dont thinjk so | 05:38 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 05:38 |
| nixternal | ooh, gobby is another good one | 05:38 |
| Jucato | don't be fooled by K's either...Kino and k3d are not kde apps hahaha | 05:38 |
| nixternal | we need a kobby :) | 05:38 |
| nixternal | call it KornKobby | 05:38 |
| Jucato | (can't remember how many people were fooled by that) | 05:38 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: gcc tends to be useful, too... | 05:38 |
| nixternal | damn | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: germinate! | 05:38 |
| nixternal | forgot about gcc | 05:38 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:39 |
| genii | Also a small but annoying thing... the kubuntu splash page seems stuck off centre at some resolution i had previous and modifying theme.rc for instance fails to do much | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | gettext, for you doc lovers | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: grep! | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: grub! | 05:39 |
| Jucato | hahah | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: our power manager. | 05:39 |
| Jucato | I think nixternal got the point now :) | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: but no, nothing that starts with g at all is any good. nope, nope. | 05:40 |
| Jucato | long pointy stick of doom hehehe | 05:40 |
| nixternal | OK, I get it damnit, you guys just owned the hell out of me ;p | 05:40 |
| === Hobbsee just typed g<tab> and looked for the bits of usefulness. | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: :D :D :D | 05:40 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 05:40 |
| === Hobbsee pokes nixternal with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for good measure | ||
| Jucato | lol | 05:40 |
| nixternal | nothing good about that stick | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | sure there is! | 05:40 |
| genii | ouch, the much feared Stick Of Doom | 05:40 |
| Jucato | genii: which splash screen btw? usplash or ksplash? | 05:41 |
| genii | ksplash | 05:41 |
| Jucato | hm.. | 05:42 |
| genii | Stuck at 11280x1024 when i switched now to 1024x768 | 05:42 |
| genii | 1280 rather | 05:42 |
| === genii curses Alexander Keith for the typos | ||
| === Jucato wonders who to tell that to... | ||
| Jucato | anyway, gotta prepare lunch. :) | 05:43 |
| Jucato | er.. rather gotta prepare to *eat* lunch | 05:43 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: !! :) | 05:44 |
| genii | I already tinkered with the kuntu theme.rc file and specified the correct resolution there but it seems stuck on the other resolution for some weird reason | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | gwenview | 05:45 |
| genii | kdm is fine | 05:45 |
| genii | *kubuntu | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | hi DaSkreech! | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee!!! | 05:46 |
| DaSkreech | Mucho Love :) | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | yay, i'm not dropping off | 05:47 |
| DaSkreech | So my router apparently hates my house | 05:47 |
| Jucato | genii: have you tried other splash screens? | 05:47 |
| genii | Jucato: Every other one finds the correct resolution and ceners the "Starting KDE" pic | 05:48 |
| genii | *centers | 05:48 |
| DaSkreech | Oh what causes the hard freezes with Flash? | 05:48 |
| genii | Oh, except the one which is the kubuntu backend | 05:49 |
| genii | bluemoon or somesuch | 05:49 |
| genii | afk, looking up exact name | 05:49 |
| Jucato | kubuntu backend? | 05:49 |
| genii | Moodin | 05:50 |
| genii | Jucato: The kubuntu ksplash theme uses Moodin as it's backend. That is the other one misbehaving per resolutions etc. Altho I also tried to force it's theme.rc file to my current settings | 05:51 |
| genii | no dice tho | 05:51 |
| Jucato | genii: so any other moodin-based splash theme also shows the bug? | 05:52 |
| genii | Jucato: Not sure | 05:52 |
| Jucato | genii: anyway, perhaps you could ping kwwii later. he's our chef artist | 05:52 |
| Jucato | er.. chief | 05:52 |
| genii | Jucato: Since i dunno which others may use it.I have the stock ones which are standard, have not installed any new | 05:52 |
| Jucato | fingerprint uses it | 05:52 |
| genii | I'll check it shortly. Am on my Feisty partition currently | 05:53 |
| Jucato | fingerprint and possibly moodinkde :) | 05:53 |
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| genii | I'll reboot and chack. Be back shortly | 05:54 |
| genii | *check | 05:54 |
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| genii | OK on gutsy now | 05:58 |
| genii | Fingerprint theme also messed up offcentrer | 06:00 |
| genii | Something in Moodin engine | 06:00 |
| nixternal | ahhhhhh, I think I know what you are talking about...and yes I have only ever experienced it with Moodin | 06:01 |
| genii | It doesn't pick up what current desktop resolution is or something | 06:02 |
| genii | AFK researching | 06:04 |
| nixternal | that happens on my desktop as a matter of fact | 06:06 |
| genii | Damn it looks like this issue has been around since 6.06 | 06:06 |
| nixternal | I even changed the "virtual" to 1440x800 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it still didn't work correctly | 06:07 |
| genii | per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/41407 | 06:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed] | 06:07 |
| genii | Hmm | 06:07 |
| genii | ubotu is getting too smart or something :) | 06:07 |
| genii | I wonder if it's possible to specify an alternate backend for kubuntu ksplash theme than moodin | 06:09 |
| genii | tinkering, afk | 06:09 |
| nixternal | there are a couple of them | 06:09 |
| genii | I'm switching to Redmond engine. Gonna logoff/on. BRB | 06:13 |
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| genii | Well that didn't work as expected LOL | 06:14 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:15 |
| genii | Trying Default engine. BRB | 06:17 |
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| genii | Hmm | 06:18 |
| genii | Default= not good either | 06:18 |
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| genii | I'm tempted to delve into the Moodin source to see wht the hell it's doing | 06:19 |
| genii | but not today :) | 06:19 |
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| genii | Hmm. An idea occurs. BRB | 06:20 |
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| genii | That was wild. Konversation had absolutely blank server list when I logged back in | 06:30 |
| genii | I did sudo apt-get --purge remove ksplash-engine-moodin ;sudo apt-get install ksplash-engine-moodin interestingly package kwin-style-crystal seems to be involved in this process. | 06:32 |
| genii | Heh :) ksplash now centered | 06:34 |
| nixternal | yo, we have a serious Kontact bug | 06:40 |
| genii | Now if i can only figure out how this _:menu item kmenu: Appname thing | 06:40 |
| genii | nixternal: Pray tell | 06:41 |
| nixternal | all my mail is going to the garbage bin with "no subject" all the way across | 06:42 |
| genii | whoa thats nasty | 06:42 |
| nixternal | and it seems to be locking my accounts, when I go to check mail it gives me an I/O lock error with my password being in use | 06:43 |
| genii | version 1.2.4 ? | 06:45 |
| nixternal | whatever the latest gutsy release is | 06:46 |
| genii | If on KDE 3.5.6 then likely 1.2.4 Kontact | 06:47 |
| stdin | gutsy has KDE 3.5.7 | 06:47 |
| genii | Hmm yes, Kontact on mine say 1.2.5 | 06:49 |
| genii | Just set up my POP there, seeing if anything is gonna get dumped etc | 06:52 |
| genii | nixternal: All my 2000+ mails arrived safely in the inbox | 06:53 |
| genii | Are you using some spam filter? | 06:55 |
| genii | !ping | 06:56 |
| ubotu | host not found | 06:56 |
| genii | OK I'm not ghosting | 06:56 |
| === genii tries to remember not to leave all his emails on the server | ||
| nixternal | could someone please review bug 135445 and bug 135446 ASAP. this is grave at least for me | 06:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135445 | 06:57 |
| genii | Wow, crap from 1997 | 06:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135446 | 06:57 |
| nixternal | using the default spam filters with Kontact | 06:58 |
| genii | Bleh it seems to have started part 2 od d/l emails | 07:00 |
| genii | OK, all 5348 emails have now been downloaded. Nothing seems to have gone directly to garbage | 07:02 |
| nixternal | this is with the latest kdepim updates to gutsy correct? | 07:03 |
| === genii wonders where the Kontact Anti-Spam settings are kept | ||
| genii | nixternal: I have no pending updates | 07:03 |
| nixternal | it happens on both of my machines here | 07:04 |
| Jucato | must be fun to be running on gutsy hehehe | 07:04 |
| nixternal | I can't afford this, I just lost 200 emails | 07:04 |
| nixternal | hope they weren't important | 07:04 |
| genii | I'm using POP, are you on imap? | 07:04 |
| nixternal | I am using POP as well | 07:04 |
| Jucato | ny very emphatic thank you letter to nixternal might have been one of those :) | 07:05 |
| nixternal | it only happens when you have "automatic email checking" turned on, or you manually check your email after Kontact/KMail has been open | 07:05 |
| genii | I set up no spam filters, just set my POP account and checked mail. | 07:06 |
| genii | Hmm let me try checking it now | 07:06 |
| genii | "[01:05:51] Transmission for account POP complete. No new messages" | 07:07 |
| nixternal | I just tested the spam filters, and that isn't the problem..I can mark an email as spam and it doesn't effect it | 07:09 |
| nixternal | there, it just did it again on a manual download | 07:09 |
| genii | What I find strangest is it rewrites the subject line | 07:10 |
| nixternal | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35496/ | 07:10 |
| nixternal | it looks as if when doing a manual download of email, KMail is stripping the email of everything | 07:11 |
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| genii | Yes, headers appear to be stripped | 07:12 |
| nixternal | everything is stripped | 07:13 |
| genii | That is just too freaking weird | 07:13 |
| nixternal | Jucato: what turn? | 07:13 |
| Jucato | hm... stripped... | 07:13 |
| Jucato | nixternal: just an unrelated question. so it can wait | 07:14 |
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| nixternal | well go for it..who knows how much longer I will be awake here | 07:14 |
| genii | I wonder what it uses as backend | 07:14 |
| Jucato | hhehehe | 07:14 |
| Jucato | I was just wondering if you've heard of Project Mallard, and if there are any.. um.. movements in the kde-docs side of things | 07:14 |
| nixternal | ahh, Project Mallard, Gnomes largest vapor ware project :) | 07:15 |
| Jucato | hahah so it's not that.. um... good? :) | 07:15 |
| genii | Well, I just realized i need to be awake in just less than 6 hours for work | 07:15 |
| Jucato | it sounded quite nice, though | 07:15 |
| nixternal | no movements on KDE's side just yet, we have discussed it, but we are waiting for Project Mallard to get up and running before we decide | 07:15 |
| genii | Jucato , nixternal et al ... good night | 07:16 |
| nixternal | Project Mallard is between 2 and 3 years in the making, with nothing but comments from various people | 07:16 |
| Jucato | g'night genii! | 07:16 |
| nixternal | g'nite genii | 07:16 |
| Jucato | ah I see... | 07:16 |
| nixternal | Jucato: Gnome is creating a whole nother language just to do this, which is rather crazy | 07:16 |
| Jucato | heh | 07:16 |
| Jucato | shaunm's mystical new language - much easier than docbook <--- like that? | 07:17 |
| nixternal | somehow it is apart of the whole Freedesktop.org deal as well, which is rather annoying | 07:17 |
| nixternal | docbook is about as easy as it gets | 07:17 |
| nixternal | their reason for ditching docbook for their own language is because docbook has to much | 07:17 |
| nixternal | I will believe Project Mallard when I see it | 07:17 |
| Jucato | couldn't they just use a subset of what docbook has? | 07:18 |
| Jucato | er.. that's coming from someone who hasn't used docbook eheheh | 07:18 |
| nixternal | yes, but there are some things they supposedly do not like | 07:18 |
| Jucato | I see... ok. I was just wondering. actually "anxious" is the proper term... another innovation from them that would subtly make it into fd.o and take us by surprise :P | 07:19 |
| nixternal | Jucato: if you want to get into helping out with the KDE 4 documentation, we could definitely use you...it is so easy to learn and pick up, a lot of the work is there, and even writing a new document is so easy as we have templates and the electronic breakfast network to tell us when we are doing something wrong | 07:19 |
| nixternal | I don't think I want to get started with the fd.o and gnome..I did at a recent LUG event due to smartasses and their KDE comments | 07:20 |
| Jucato | heh.. fd.o.. :) | 07:20 |
| nixternal | I am kind of tired of the whole "point and click" stuff about KDE...people who know me and know how I work, will tell you that I hardly ever use the mouse | 07:20 |
| Jucato | but I doubt I could dive in before 4.0 is released (October or January, whichever they decide). I still haven't really settled back in yet. But I do plan on learning to use docbook for myself, so I'll probably hit 2 birds w/ one stone | 07:21 |
| nixternal | Jucato: sure you could dive in, when you are ready of course | 07:21 |
| nixternal | there is PhilRod, jjesse, and myself to help you out..and once you see how everything works, which won't take long, you will be a docbook mastah! | 07:21 |
| Jucato | hahah! | 07:22 |
| Jucato | yeah philrod. and there's annma too. | 07:22 |
| Jucato | they helped me get my theming guide into the docs :) | 07:22 |
| nixternal | and that is the cruddy part...as it stands, there is really just PhilRod and myself working on the docs somewhat full-time...jjesse is just now getting up to speed..actually, he is up to speed, but is he going to be expanding | 07:22 |
| nixternal | ahh ya, forgot about annma, don't tell her that though...she will need a lot of help with the KOffice 2 docs | 07:22 |
| Jucato | actually all doc guys will need a lot of help.. I can't even imagine how you would start with everything in KDE 4.0 still a bit.. um... dunno.. | 07:23 |
| nixternal | that is why I am trying to get the Kubuntu docs finished very quickly so I can spend time over at KDE for a bit | 07:23 |
| Jucato | uncertain? | 07:23 |
| nixternal | well, we are building a list of docs that are ready to start for applications that are at least 75% complete | 07:24 |
| nixternal | ie. Okular right now | 07:24 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:24 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 07:24 |
| Jucato | anyway, don't let me keep you away from your cozy bed any longer hehehe | 07:25 |
| nixternal | we are also looking at revamping KHelpCenter...Phil just received the usability report on it, so hopefully that will start | 07:25 |
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| nixternal | there has been some of our code committed to KHC, but there is a lot to go | 07:25 |
| nixternal | KDE 4 is going to have a "What's this" for just about everything, and we have to incorporate all of that as well | 07:25 |
| nixternal | oh, I still have a few before I go up...gotta finish my tea first | 07:25 |
| Jucato | oooh tea! | 07:26 |
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| Jucato | just ran out of brown rice tea :( | 07:26 |
| nixternal | ya, I have become a green tea junky | 07:26 |
| nixternal | speaking of the devil himself! | 07:26 |
| Jucato | heheh I've always been one :) | 07:26 |
| Jucato | hi jjesse!! | 07:26 |
| nixternal | jjesse: trying to recruit Jucato for some KDE 4 doco love | 07:26 |
| nixternal | I think I am close :) | 07:26 |
| Jucato | nixternal: you don't know how much I want to work on coding, packaging, and documentation... (not to mention usability stuff) | 07:27 |
| Jucato | but as I figured out in my absence, I can't do them all that well at the same time :( | 07:27 |
| nixternal | Jucato: just dive on in...that is what I did...I still want to get more into coding though | 07:27 |
| Jucato | lol I remember my last dive into packaging... I ended up rm'ing my /home :P | 07:28 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:28 |
| nixternal | if you start now, you can make MOTU by Gutsy+1 | 07:28 |
| nixternal | it took me 4 cycles to make MOTU | 07:28 |
| Jucato | ouch :) | 07:28 |
| nixternal | well, I didn't really start doing MOTU stuff though until Feisty and picked it up as I went | 07:29 |
| Jucato | hm.. I'm taking it a bit slow for a reason. I'm trying to review the packaging guide to see some areas that it doesn't do well from the beginner's perspective | 07:29 |
| Jucato | w/c means I also have to read the Debian NM guide as well | 07:29 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:29 |
| nixternal | ya, the Debian NM, and the DD guide as well | 07:29 |
| nixternal | if you use CDBS for packaging, it is so much easier | 07:30 |
| Jucato | so I've heard. from hardest to easiest: manual, dpatch, cdbs. right? | 07:30 |
| nixternal | what I would do is just download stuff from kde-apps and package them | 07:30 |
| Jucato | yeah that's what I was thinking. | 07:30 |
| nixternal | another good thing is go through the debian svn repos to see how they do it as well | 07:31 |
| Jucato | I just found the packaging guide a bit too sparse (specially about CDBS) and lacking in practical examples... the only real example there is GNU Hello.. :/ | 07:31 |
| Jucato | anyway, more on that later on... gotta catch up w/ my C++ and try to finish at least polymorphism and inheritance by Sept... | 07:31 |
| nixternal | ya, that is why you need the 2 debian guides to go with the ubuntu guide | 07:32 |
| nixternal | man, you could easily replace c++ in that statement with java...I am taking advanced c++ and advanced java right now in school and they are to similar that it is scary | 07:32 |
| Jucato | except that C++ is (thankfully?) not object-constrained... | 07:33 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:33 |
| Jucato | I'll finally get a taste of computer science education here next year! yay! | 07:33 |
| nixternal | sweet! | 07:34 |
| Jucato | yeah, but it's only a Diploma degree (2 years)... but it's online. makes it sweeter :) | 07:34 |
| DaSkreech | has KDe ever gotten anything into FDo? | 07:34 |
| nixternal | I am doing my CS degree similar to that..I have some online courses and quite a few classroom courses | 07:34 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: lots... | 07:35 |
| Jucato | er.. into? | 07:35 |
| Jucato | nah not much I think | 07:35 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: dunno...I quit looking at fd.o because it seems it was trying to stop kde from doing the things we do, that work great on top of that | 07:35 |
| DaSkreech | Everytime I hear something from FD it's pretty much Oh Gnome said... | 07:36 |
| Jucato | I feel a bit that way too... although aseigo and Sho_ assures me that it's not all that bad | 07:36 |
| nixternal | ditto Jucato | 07:37 |
| DaSkreech | so they are dropping docbook? | 07:37 |
| Jucato | maybe not... yet... | 07:39 |
| nixternal | OK, bed time...g'nite | 07:40 |
| Jucato | bye!! and thanks again | 07:40 |
| nixternal | no problem | 07:40 |
| DaSkreech | night | 07:44 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: send the kmail bugs upstream, not to launchpad. | 08:46 |
| freeflying | kontact crashs bug was fixed now? | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | not unless someone fixed it | 08:51 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: should be | 09:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the /etc/kderc and /etc/kde-user-profile, would you prefer to have them modified via a patch or a dpkg-divert in k-d-s | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as the config I'm doing for profiles is done via groups added via k-d-s, I suspect that dpkg-divert is probably the better choice in that case... | 10:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: modified for what? | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for groups as we discussed yesterday | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: adding system groups and then make a user use a specific profile just adding him to a group | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | you seemed to agree on that approach | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: easier for the guys to get the profile they want that way | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that I can of course fix kderc via a patch, but as this only work with k-d-s installed, I thought installing the fixed files via dpkg-divert was easier (and that another patch we won't maintain in the future) | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to make it simple : | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/577 http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/578 | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | added to this you create the corresponding system groups | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | and then it makes it easy to set a user to use an accessibility group | 10:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: those groups don't seem to override from the normal k-d-s | 10:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you'll need to modify casper if you want to do this | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works for me.... | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: add yourself to the wanted group and then you use the wanted profile | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the problem with casper ? adding groups ? | 10:55 |
| Riddell | it would probably be easiest just to have these in the default kderc file | 10:56 |
| Riddell | casper would need to be changed from editing kderc to adding and editing groups | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but that's makes it depends on k-d-s as the profile then don't exist right ? | 10:56 |
| Riddell | add a comment saying "#this won't work without k-d-s" | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry but I don't understand you concerning casper | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | is casper editing kderc ? | 10:58 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | hum..... | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | so fixed kderc isn't done via a kdebase patch ? interesting | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: probably too late in the dev cycle for such a change right..... but I have to keep that in mind for gutsy+1 | 11:00 |
| Riddell | it couldn't be done with a kdebase patch, it depends on what the user chooses | 11:01 |
| Riddell | (your way round it can be, but then groups have to be edited) | 11:01 |
| Riddell | probably best for gutsy+1 | 11:01 |
| Riddell | oh, and I believe the name for that is due to be announced this week | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, great :) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay let's add this for gutsy+1 | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a big bug with the latest kdepim you uploaded.... | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: pasting something to a mail editing window causes kontact to crash | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | restarting kde to reproduce.... | 11:06 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: confirmed.... | 11:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: please get a backtrace and report to till on #kontact | 11:10 |
| Riddell | kdepim-dbg should work for backtraces | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 11:10 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: did you upload the nspluginviewer "fix"? | 11:17 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 11:19 |
| Riddell | so you did, thanks | 11:21 |
| Riddell | ug, kdebase build-dep on libgtk, evil | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, that's the problem..... | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well that's temporary, waiting for something else.... | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: evil, but better than konqueror crashing imho.... | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hard to get a backtrace of kontact..... it just hangs and then closes.... | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw, I can paste on any field (TO, CC...), except from the standard text one | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also, right-click and paste works..... | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: till is already aware of the issue, so we can expect a fix soon I suspect :) | 11:31 |
| Riddell | great | 11:32 |
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| glatzor | Riddell: hello, could you please join #launchpad. there is aproblem with the automatically added translator credits in kde that could be solved quite easy for a KDE developer | 11:49 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: kontact has strange behaviar now, it will bring up two threads, but it will not display its GUI | 12:00 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: best to tell till in #kontact | 12:05 |
| Kuhrscher | Hello everybody, with the last launchpad release the translators from Launchpad get included into the translator credits in the "About" dialog of each program. | 12:08 |
| Kuhrscher | This look quite ok in Ubuntu, but really horrible in Kubuntu/KDE. | 12:08 |
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| Kuhrscher | What we need to make it look reasonable would be just a small patch to kdelibs: | 12:08 |
| Kuhrscher | We should add a translateable title above the original upstream translators (eg. "Upstream translators") followed by the normal list of translator names and their mail adresses. | 12:08 |
| Kuhrscher | And a new section for the Lauchpad translators below, with their names and http links to their launchpad accounts. This section should be separted from the upstream translators by a free line and get a translatable title like "Launchpad translators". | 12:09 |
| Kuhrscher | Unfortunatly I am just a translator and cannot do the necessary patch myself... | 12:09 |
| Kuhrscher | Could someone of you help with this issue? | 12:10 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell offered to mentor it :) | 12:10 |
| Kuhrscher | https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/133817 | 12:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress] | 12:12 |
| Riddell | Kuhrscher: you can also try the mailing list (which should accept posting the ubuntu e-mail addresses) | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm just playing a bit with strigi | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like opening a file doesn't work as expected..... jstream:/ doesn't work well | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that known problem or should I investigate ? | 12:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: just noticed there are even errors on the html output in konq... | 12:28 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Ok, I subscribed kubuntu-devel and posted it there again... We will see if it helps... | 12:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: html errors at start I know about, jos has no idea why it would happen | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tested with the latest debian package, same issue..... | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw are you interested in an update ? | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and does jstream complain when you click on a found file to open it ? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: update to what? | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 0.5.2 | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | strigi applet | 12:42 |
| Riddell | what's changed? | 12:42 |
| Riddell | I really want to change strigi applet so it's a systray icon with popup text field | 12:42 |
| Riddell | then we can have it on by default | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | no changelog provided upstream | 12:42 |
| Riddell | hmm, I thought we were on 0.5.2 | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope .... | 12:43 |
| Riddell | that's fine, it can just be synced? | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: closing kde bug 429490 | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | debian bug 429490 | 12:43 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 429490 in strigi-applet "strigi-applet is not usable by kicker due to a missing symbol" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/429490 | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, can be sync, that's okay | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: stupid question but how to request for a sync? I never did that ;) | 12:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: please file a request and subscribe ubuntu-release (then I ack and subscribe ubuntu-archive and seb should do it) | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just a bug request.... let's do it | 12:45 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done, see bug 135521 | 12:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135521 | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to figure out the html encoding issue.... | 12:49 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: it'll be fiddly, the first few characters of the ioslave output are turned to spaces | 12:49 |
| Riddell | a quick patch would be just to add say 10 spaces at the start before the <?xml | 12:50 |
| Riddell | but a proper fix probably needs to debug ioslave foo | 12:50 |
| Riddell | it's not consistent, it doesn't always happen | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: happens everytime for me at least.... | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: very strange behavior, do you consider this a kdebase/libs issue or a strigi bug ? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw jstream not working is bigguer issue | 12:51 |
| Riddell | probably strigi but hard to say | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't get preview for text files on the ioslave, and jstream cannot open anything.... | 12:51 |
| Riddell | I don't think I've ever acually used jstream consciously | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to make it simple, compared to the screenshots on the official website, our strigi integration sucks..... nothing works as expected.... | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just search for a word and try to click on a result for viewing...... doesn't work | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | let's try to improve this a bit.... | 12:52 |
| Riddell | jos says he's getting a new computer this weekend and will put gutsy on it | 12:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: please add the 0.5.2 debian changelog to bug 135521 | 12:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135521 | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the html output, that's interesting since I have a very specific case here..... browsing Web type results has the issue | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | "Other" type doesn't, so there might be a difference.... | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what if you search for this for example : | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | strigi:/?q=toto&t=Other | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | strigi:/?q=toto&t=Web | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | can you confirm what I see ? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: they look exactly the same to me | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | weird.... | 12:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: vandenoever is on irc if you want to ask in #strigi | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: true, depends if I refresh or not.......... really weird...... | 01:00 |
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| mhb | it is kinda early to announce hardy, but hooray (if it is official)! | 01:32 |
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| Jucato | hardy heron eh? | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | allee: lots of commits today on kdebluetooth, preparing a package | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | allee: new files added btw | 02:06 |
| mhb | Jucato: not eh, hooray!, you upstreamer :o) | 02:17 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:18 |
| allee | Tonio_: cool. Hopefully kinputwizard is fixed then. FWIW: BT mice added via hidd --search, are forgotten after reboot or a long idle times. | 02:18 |
| Jucato | nah... I'm just thinking of jokes that would revovle around a "hard(y) bird"... | 02:18 |
| allee | Tonio_: did you try kbt-wait and the autstart desktop file? | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | allee: not yet | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I have a segfault somewhere.... | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | allee: what if you use the paired device tool and then click on one of the devices name ? | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | it should open as if clicking on the + | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | + works, but the name gives a segfault here | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I can't test the kbt-wait in fact, all my computers are bluetooth enabled | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | and no way to disable the chipset | 02:24 |
| allee | Tonio_: well at least you can test that bkt-wait start kbluetooth ;) So either trust me that start on plugin works, or try blacklist the bt device module. hehe | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | yep, that I can test | 02:27 |
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| allee | Tonio_: ah, if you quit kblueooth and insert an external BT stick, kbt should be restarted too. I rely on the fact that kbt is a uniq app, so if running one just gets a 'kblueooth already running message' | 02:29 |
| allee | ... instead of testing if kbt already run and only start if it does not | 02:30 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: I requested the vote | 02:30 |
| Stecchino | yes, I got the mail | 02:30 |
| Stecchino | how long do the members get to vote | 02:31 |
| Riddell | three weeks I think | 02:31 |
| Riddell | although we might have agreed to shorten it, I don't remember | 02:31 |
| Stecchino | I'll be on holiday when the results are in then :) | 02:31 |
| Riddell | I can send you a text if you give me your mobile number | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah but what if you unplug the device and insert it again ? | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | or better, plug another device ? | 02:32 |
| Stecchino | Riddell: I'll probably take my laptop with me anyway | 02:32 |
| Stecchino | have some hacking to do on Mobile Amarok | 02:33 |
| Stecchino | Still waiting for my greenphone :) | 02:33 |
| allee | Tonio_: I only listen to plug in events, making sure that kbluetooth gets started if a device is plugged in. | 02:33 |
| Riddell | sounds exciting | 02:34 |
| allee | Tonio_: When 2nd bt device appears and 1st is removed, it's kblueooth task to use it as new default device | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yep | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: btw shouldn't it be a kbluetooth task to be able to start waiting for a device to be plugued | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 02:35 |
| allee | Tonio_: afaiu such a setup in not supported. but it's exotic enough to wait for KDE4 | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that's my point in fact ;) | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | true that | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | okay so let's test this | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | allee: also, you pythong scripts requires universe material...... that's the problem I can see with it | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | but I'll test today, I promiss that :) | 02:35 |
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| allee | Tonio_: hey, kblueooth could do it. Especially as kbt does not exit when device is unplugged, just uses an even more dark 'b' icon. | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hehe | 02:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: Riddell mentioned that a MIR would be possible if needed. FWIW, I doubt that kbt will support auto-start-and-wait-in-bg when no device is available. | 02:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: upstream (all SuSE devs afaik) have already a working autostart script + suseplug prog that start kbt just like kbt-wait does | 02:38 |
| allee | at least for KDE3 | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: oki | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: so the perfect thing would just be to patch kbluetooth to quit on unplug right ? | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I can't see your mail, can you send it again ? I suspect my bogofilter doesn't like you ;) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: tonio@ubuntu.com | 02:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: kbt-wait has a dummy hook to catch device removal. But I don't care kbt running when no device is available. | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: no but if you plug anotehr device, quitting the application and restarting it would be nice | 02:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: most important is that kbt does not run when BT is/was never available\ | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: sure, but what would the problem in killing the app that way ? | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: btw I realy can't find your mail..... resending would be nice :) ;) | 02:44 |
| allee | Tonio_: never tried, Saving some memory versus requires startup time/disk io. Pick your favorite ;) At least in battery I prefer kbt to just run when I unplug BT | 02:44 |
| allee | Tonio_: sent. I'll replace laposte in kaddressbook ... | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | allee: those adresses are the same mailbox in fact ;) | 02:45 |
| allee | Tonio_: Strange. | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | antispam, that's it | 02:46 |
| allee | I'll resent again to tonio@kubuntu.org if that's To: is more trustworthy to your spam software ;) | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I don't even know if that address works :) | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | should, we'll see :) | 02:48 |
| allee | test msg sent :) | 02:49 |
| allee | Tonio_: kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35674 autostart: http://paste.debian.net/35676 | 02:51 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: shame on you !!!!!!!!! | 02:52 |
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| allee | Tonio_: fixed: http://paste.debian.net/35680 | 02:57 |
| nixternal | we can't link to upstream bugs anymore with LP? | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: we can | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: it's just confusing. ask in #launchpad as to how | 03:01 |
| nixternal | k | 03:01 |
| nixternal | thanks | 03:01 |
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| nixternal | jeesh, gotta love when they change a good thing and make it a pita | 03:02 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: super let's test | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | allee: afaics python-dbus is in main...... isn't that just what's needed ? | 03:08 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I added both of my reports upstream | 03:10 |
| allee | Tonio_: oh, yes python-dbus is main. Great! ( Looks like I checked feisty last week instead of gutsy :( ) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: cool :) | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | allee: how would you stop bluetooth if the device number goes to 0 ? | 03:10 |
| nixternal | I was going to do it last night, but my pillow was calling my name :) | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | s/bluetooth/bluetooth ? | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | allee: once that done, I'll patch kbluetooth to forget about its autostart and we'll deal with the autostart with your script | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: we should stop kbluetooth if a device is removed as there be several devices | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | but when there are 0 devices, it makes sense stoping this | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | especialy when you still can start it manually | 03:12 |
| allee | Tonio: dcop kdebluetooth MainApplication-Interface quit | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah but I mean within your script | 03:13 |
| allee | Tonio_: and what about kbluemon kinputwizard ... ? | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: isn't there a way to just kill the process ? | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: my mouse is in charge, I'll test in a moment | 03:13 |
| allee | distutils.spawn.spawn(['/usr/bin/dcop', kbtcmd, 'MainApplication-Interface' 'quit' ] ) | 03:14 |
| allee | should work. But IMHO it's not worth the trouble. | 03:15 |
| allee | Tonio_: I mean add distutils.... below def slotAdapterRemoved(device): | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | allee: you meandistutils.spawn.spawn([kbtquitcmd] ) | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | where kbtquitcmd = '/usr/bin/dcop kdebluetooth MainApplication-Interface quit' | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | ???? | 03:17 |
| allee | Tonio_: I can add it. I just have a user here. brb | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | thought using sys.exec would be better, no ? | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/583 | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | should be right no ? | 03:22 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/586 | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: should be nice this time | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: dunno if it's better checking if kbluetooth is running..... | 03:47 |
| kwwii | can someone check and see that we have included the new color scheme for the desktop? | 03:48 |
| kwwii | also, we need to put that new color scheme in kdm as well | 03:48 |
| Riddell | kwwii: default is like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/clours.png | 03:55 |
| kwwii | Riddell: hrm, those are the new colors...I thought otherwise because someone came in with screenshots complaining that they still had the old colors | 03:56 |
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| allee | Tonio_: os.execl gives: ERROR: Communication problem with kdebluetooth, it probably crashed. | 03:57 |
| Tm_P | hi kids | 03:57 |
| Riddell | kwwii: kdm looks the same to me, purpley selection colour | 03:58 |
| allee | Tonio_: kbt-wait is my first python script. So I'm sure there a better way than distutils. but that was the first I found that DWIW when I grep'ed python-support tree :) | 03:58 |
| kwwii | Riddell: then we need to use the new colors from the desktop (the ones in your screenshot) in kdm as well | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah doesn't work, I'm fixing this | 03:59 |
| kwwii | ie. the selection color should not be purple anymore | 03:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: wait I'm working already on it | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | k | 04:00 |
| Riddell | kwwii: that looks like purple to me on that screenshot | 04:01 |
| kwwii | Riddell: funky, it doesn't look to purple here... | 04:02 |
| Riddell | kwwii: well I think kdm is the same colour whatever it is | 04:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I will look into this then and upload something ASAP | 04:03 |
| Riddell | although I've kindae forgotten where kdm sets its colours | 04:04 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yeah, it does not appear to be in the kdm-theme | 04:06 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: this works : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/587 | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | just tested here, both commands are working | 04:25 |
| allee | Tonio_: eh? Interesting. I'm experimenting with stop the other bluetooth proccess | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | allee: oki | 04:30 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:39 |
| mhb | yum yum, new kde4 beta soonish | 04:39 |
| mhb | I am really looking forward to the packages | 04:41 |
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| allee | Tonio_: one question: as python-dbus is same for python 2.4 and python 2.5. I assume I better change #! to just python, right? | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I suspect so ;) | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | allee: just patches kbluetooth to remove it's autostart thing as the script does it now, and patched to remove the buggy hiding icon functionnality | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | allee: just added your scripts in it, so we can test | 04:51 |
| allee | Tonio_: updated kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35694 I don't kill kbluelock, better save than sorry. Better save than sorry. | 04:53 |
| allee | Tonio_: what's strange is that I never saw the 'hidden' icon thing again | 04:54 |
| Tm_P | heyyyyyy | 04:54 |
| allee | Tonio_: fwiw: my modified autodesktop file contains important fixes too | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | allee: where is it ? | 04:55 |
| allee | http://paste.debian.net/35676 | 04:55 |
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| allee | Tonio_: e.g., if this dcop uniq thing is not removed from autostart.desktop, logout dialog is blocked until one kills kbt-wait . Too some time to figures this out ;) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | allee: oki | 04:58 |
| Tm_P | anyone knows way to get jar of (k)ubuntu cookies/candy ?? | 04:58 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: I just renamed your script to kbluetoothd and changed the exec command in the desktop file | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: makes sense no ? | 04:58 |
| allee | Tonio_: Uhmm, that the 0.99 name. Think it's no good idea, confusing. Maybe somethiing like kblueplug(ger) as the other pkgs start also with kblue<whatever> | 05:01 |
| allee | or kblueminid :) | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | allee: right | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is very strange with the nspluginviewer patch is that it looks now more stable when browsing a website with a lot of flash in it | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I regularly had konqueror crashes several websites, that I can't reproduce today.... :) | 05:08 |
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| allee | Tonio_: one k-d-s bug(?): I switched to gusty last night. The I've logged out in feisty/rsynced home dir. Now login progress dialog in gutsty is still as it was in feisty. Known problem? | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: you mean small size instead of big right ? | 05:13 |
| allee | Tonio_: no bg and colors are as in feisty. For new users login prograss is as kdm login and default bg | 05:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: as soon as login progress is done I see the gusty bg | 05:15 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: hum, strange problem | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | allee: no kspash entry in your profile . | 05:15 |
| allee | kdm grfx -> gusty, login progress -> feisty, desktop bg -> gusty | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 05:15 |
| allee | I'll grep for it | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 05:16 |
| Riddell | allee: yes, the ksplash-moodin theme is cached | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | should be something in your profile I suspect | 05:16 |
| allee | Tonio_: I sure (hah) that I never touched it ;) | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? when did that happen ? I didn't saw any change on that point ...... | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oups, cashed <> crashed :) sorry | 05:17 |
| Riddell | allee: volunteers welcome for a patch to make it forget the cache when theme has changed | 05:18 |
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| allee | Riddell: hmm, I would prefer to volunteer to patch, whatever changes my external monitor to resolution of my laptop. Most annoying to switch back everytime with krandrtray. Any idea what program does it? | 05:20 |
| allee | kdm login greeting uses correct resolution for my external monitor. Then as soon as login process starts: 1900x1200 changes to 1680x1050 :( | 05:22 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: well a nasty workarround could be to clear the cache on logout, that's pretty easy to do in startkde..... but that's not very clean, although working | 05:25 |
| allee | Tonio_: where are those cached files stored? | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: .kde/share/apps/ksplash | 05:26 |
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| allee | Tonio_: uhm, the cached files don't save from which files they are created. (interesting: no chached files for the new size of my laptop display) | 05:30 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: I wonder when is the cache created, as I've nothing in my .kde | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | allee: looks like depends if there is or not a background for your resolution in fact | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: there is for mine | 05:34 |
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| Tonio_ | so the cache is a good thing to avoid doing the resize every time | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I didn't figure out that before... :) | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: got a plan, but pretty hard to fix moodin for this | 05:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: maybe this change-resulution-to-#$%! on login prevents me getting an updated cache :( Have to logout/in to check it. | 05:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: .kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/ | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: here is the point, at logout, via startkde, compare the md5sum of the file to the one putted in a file via the same script | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if md5sum changes, delete the cache | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that would work, but is a bash script..... | 05:37 |
| Riddell | or if the date is newer | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't the md5sum enough ? | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem is that this will only work for future updates, not for the people switching from feisty to gutsy | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | hum got it, delete the cache if no tag-file exists initialy, that should work | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want me to do this ? | 05:40 |
| Riddell | tag-file? | 05:42 |
| Riddell | just comparing dates is fine, no need to store an md5sum anywhere | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a file used to store the md5sum for example so that it is easy to compare | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah but we have to store the date somewhere right ? | 05:43 |
| Riddell | filesystems already store dates | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | otherwise, what to compare the date with ? | 05:43 |
| Riddell | the wallpaper | 05:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't follow you, the cache will always be newer than the wallpaper, since create at login..... | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I must missunderstand you :) | 05:44 |
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| Riddell | ...unless the wallpaper has been updated | 05:45 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: right, that's obvious..... | 05:46 |
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| allee | Tonio_: files in deb are installed with time stamp preserved. Maintainer add new wallpager. User login. User updates pkg. Now cache image is newer than image from deb | 05:47 |
| allee | to prevent it the postinst would have to touch every wallpaper | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: :( | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | okay, but we can do that | 05:50 |
| allee | IMHO it would be better if the info file would save date of the image used to create the cache bg image | 05:50 |
| allee | as it looks to me the date in the info file is the one of the bg image. If no idea why that should be interesting. | 05:51 |
| allee | s/if/I've/ | 05:51 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ping? | 06:14 |
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| ryanakca | Whenever you get a chance? | 06:14 |
| Riddell | hi ryanakca | 06:15 |
| ryanakca | Hi... mind telling me if anybody else needs accounts, and if not, I'll get to mailing out the login info? | 06:15 |
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| fdoving | ryanakca: is that the groupware thing? | 06:16 |
| ryanakca | yes | 06:16 |
| fdoving | is that just for testing or something usefull? | 06:16 |
| ryanakca | usefull | 06:16 |
| ryanakca | or so I hope | 06:16 |
| fdoving | ok, then i'll take one too if that's ok :) | 06:16 |
| ryanakca | I've had interest in it from quite a few people, but if it actually gets used... dunno | 06:17 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: you're a kubuntu member, right? | 06:17 |
| fdoving | yes. | 06:17 |
| ryanakca | all kubuntu members have one :) | 06:17 |
| fdoving | ok. | 06:17 |
| fdoving | how do i access it then? | 06:17 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: can't think of anyone else | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: okies | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | thanks :) | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/egroupware/ | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | you'll login with your launchpad ID and a password... which I have to set and mail out... people can then log in and run passwd | 06:19 |
| fdoving | ok. | 06:19 |
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| allee | ryanakca: run passwd? You mean all kubuntu members have an shell account there? (They just don't know the password :) | 06:49 |
| ryanakca | allee: *nods* | 07:06 |
| ryanakca | allee: it's the only way I can think of to have people change their password | 07:07 |
| ryanakca | allee: because the login to egroupware is the mail login password, which is the user's system password | 07:07 |
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| allee | ryanakca: k. I was just asthonished that egroupware can't/configured to handle users on it's own | 07:13 |
| ryanakca | allee: it can handle them on its own, but I find its easier to just have to create one account(system), rather than two (system & egroupware)... of course, I could've used virtual(8) for postfix, and managed it in (vmail-mysql-db & egroupware), but the people in #postfix strongly recommended not to, for 1 domain | 07:15 |
| allee | ah, okay. | 07:15 |
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| DaSkreech | No hippos??? | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | Whyyyyyyyy?????? | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | so any ideas for Heron? | 07:58 |
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| milian | can anyone confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/135627 ? | 08:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135627 in k3b "k3b fails to burn in gutsy" [Undecided,New] | 08:22 |
| Riddell | milian: works for me | 08:35 |
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| milian | ok, I'll try to look more into it | 08:36 |
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| Riddell | milian: which doesn't mean to say it isn't broken on other hardware of course | 08:41 |
| milian | well it worked like a charm since I use kubuntu which would be since the alpha days of dapper, riddell | 08:44 |
| milian | but I do have a new computer setup (with the old burner) so I am not sure | 08:44 |
| milian | oh hell no, it looks like the dvd roms are the fault | 08:52 |
| milian | I hope I can get my money back for them... | 08:53 |
| Riddell | arse, kdesudo breaks dist upgrade tool called from adept | 09:02 |
| nixternal | Riddell: does the "restart" notification work at all? it seems I am never notified about rebooting after certain updates | 09:04 |
| nixternal | I also bought my Lotto tickets today, so after I win 300+ million dollars, I will share it with you guys...how about a week long vacation to anywhere in the world :) | 09:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it should do | 09:05 |
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| Riddell | which certain updates? | 09:06 |
| nixternal | well, I found out today that in Gutsy, when the battery goes empty, the computer shuts itself down, and when I am plugged back in, it comes back up just like the way I left it :) | 09:06 |
| nixternal | libc, libglad and such | 09:06 |
| nixternal | don't know if I had a Linux kernel upgrade since then, but I would think that any applications that runs initramfs would need a reboot afterwords | 09:07 |
| nixternal | afterwards rather | 09:07 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I think I've found something related to the input devices bug in kbluetooth, will get back to you on that. | 10:14 |
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| nixternal | OK, this Enterprise KDEPIM is evil! | 11:30 |
| === aplg|mobile is right now building a proper kdepim :P | ||
| nixternal | I am starting to think there is no "proper" kdepim :) | 11:46 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: what's your problem? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | 21:41 < sbalneav> kwii? Is that pronounced "kwee", or is it the kde version of world war 2? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | what is it that makes people's minds think that about kwwii | 11:55 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: bug 135445 and bug 135446 - I have reported both upstream as well | 12:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135445 | 12:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135446 | 12:08 |
| jdong | nixternal: yay kt 2.2.2 | 12:09 |
| jdong | I'm trying to figure out WTF is changed | 12:09 |
| jdong | and decide if it's worth UVF'ing | 12:09 |
| nixternal | heh | 12:09 |
| jdong | I can tell you what hasn't changed. | 12:10 |
| jdong | the changelog | 12:10 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: How about you buy a bunch of MS stock and then vote for them to open source the code put up the patent proof and shut up? | 12:35 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: cause if you see WWII you think world war two? | 12:36 |
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