[02:27] <SeveredCross> Anyone have any issues with faac lockups?
[02:34] <skkane> do you still have to add nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-glx to restricted modules file?
[02:34] <skkane> so that you don't have to install drivers on each boot
[02:45] <swj> is it appropriate to talk about ubuntu art here?
[02:47] <AnRkey> Why would the NetworkManagerDispatcher process take up 100% cpu usage for about 2 to 5 min every time I boot?
[02:47] <AnRkey> Can some1 help me find more information to submit a bug report, I don't quite know what to report here
[02:52] <mattyv> AnRkey: try looking at dmesg for entries relating to NM
[02:52] <AnRkey> thanks
[02:53] <AnRkey> sheesh, it's only just stopped raping the CPU now
[02:53] <mattyv> lol, you might find some sort of cryptic message in that log that you can put in a bug
[02:54] <mattyv> 'dmesg | less' will make it easier to read
[02:56] <mattyv> have a look in /var/log/syslog too, that's where I've found NM entries
[02:56] <AnRkey> looking now
[03:02] <AnRkey> ok /var/log/messages has 2 lines about kernel something or others with eth1
[03:02] <AnRkey> dmesg returned wireless card killswitch errors
[03:02] <mattyv> AnRkey: interestingly, my syslog has 15 seconds worth of NM retries and warnings because dhcdbd isn't running, eventually it works but I have a 2,5mb syslog file
[03:02] <AnRkey> and so did var/log/syslog
[03:03] <AnRkey> sheesh
[03:03] <mattyv> don't have your problem though so I guess it's something different
[03:03] <AnRkey> well i have tailed 100 lines of each into output files that I will submit as a bug
[03:03] <AnRkey> maybe they can work with me on it
[03:03] <mattyv> hopefully
[03:04] <AnRkey> it's a dell laptop
[03:04] <AnRkey> so hold thumbs
[03:04] <AnRkey> xps m170
[03:04] <mattyv> nice
[03:04] <AnRkey> yeah and i have to give it back to the company i work for in 3 months cause i am leaving
[03:04] <AnRkey> soooo sad
[03:05] <AnRkey> at least it was used
[03:05] <AnRkey> and at least it was happy while it had ubuntu on it
[03:05] <AnRkey> poor thing
[03:05] <AnRkey> some winblows user will get it next
[03:05] <AnRkey> thanks vor the help mattyv
[03:07] <mattyv> no probs, wish I could provide more help but I'm no programmer
[03:11] <AnRkey> I think I can at least submit now
[03:14] <AnRkey> mattyv, found the bug, it's listed with very little info though
[03:14] <AnRkey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123332
[03:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123332 in network-manager "NetworkManagerDispatcher uses 100% CPU on startup" [Undecided,New] 
[03:14] <AnRkey> thanks ubotu u sexy bot
[03:20] <macaco> Hello again..
[03:21] <macaco> how i configure compiz to work fine
[03:23] <ysth1> .oO(some like it rough)
[03:26] <macaco> ?
[03:27] <mattyv> AnRkey: Good work, I'll have a look
[03:28] <AnRkey> macaco, thats a very broad question mate
[03:28] <AnRkey> u running gutsy?
[03:28] <macaco> yes i runing gutsy 32bit
[03:29] <AnRkey> fully updated?
[03:29] <AnRkey> and did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy or did you do a fresh install?
[03:29] <macaco> fresh
[03:29] <AnRkey> good
[03:29] <AnRkey> nvidia, ati or intel graphics
[03:30] <AnRkey> or other?
[03:30] <macaco> i enable accelerate Nvidia and work corrrect
[03:30] <AnRkey> good
[03:30] <macaco> but wen some effect and widnows manager don't working
[03:30] <mattyv> AnRkey: also attach your lspci -vv to that bug report
[03:30] <AnRkey> then go to System > Preferences > Appearance
[03:31] <AnRkey> mattyv, will do that now
[03:31] <AnRkey> lspci?
[03:31] <AnRkey> macaco, then click Desktop Effects
[03:31] <mattyv> lists your hardware i detail so the devs know exatcly what networking gear you have
[03:31] <AnRkey> try normal
[03:31] <AnRkey> if that works then try extra effects
[03:32] <macaco> how?
[03:32] <AnRkey> mattyv, shweet thanks
[03:32] <AnRkey> macaco, did you do what i said above?
[03:32] <macaco> yes
[03:32] <AnRkey> System > Preferences > Appearance > Desktop Effects
[03:32] <AnRkey> enable extra effects
[03:33] <macaco> but whre  i am in CompizConfig Setting now
[03:33] <AnRkey> macaco, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:33] <AnRkey> do that from console
[03:33] <AnRkey> the settings-manager is in System > Prefferences
[03:34] <macaco> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:34] <macaco> and say
[03:34] <macaco> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:34] <happyface> :O
[03:34] <macaco> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:35] <AnRkey> close any other package manager
[03:35] <macaco> ok
[03:35] <macaco> sorry :P
[03:35] <AnRkey> no prob
[03:35] <AnRkey> :D
[03:35] <AnRkey> then for extra toys in the settings-manager you can run  sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[03:35] <AnRkey> have fun
[03:35] <macaco> Reading package lists... Done
[03:35] <macaco> Building dependency tree
[03:35] <macaco> Reading state information... Done
[03:35] <macaco> compizconfig-settings-manager is already the newest version.
[03:35] <macaco> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:35] <macaco> already have  lol
[03:36] <AnRkey> :D
[03:36] <macaco> and i install GT desktop two
[03:36] <qid> anyone know where I can get the wireless tools packages for gutsy 7.10? I'm attempting to follow the suggested workaround here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/50214/comments/48
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50214 in network-manager "can't connect to hidden network" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:37] <AnRkey> qid, have u tried looking for it with apt-cache search packagenamehere
[03:37] <mattyv> AnRkey: once you get that attachment up, confirm the bug by clicking where it says "status new". So far it's only been confirmed in comments so no dev will notice it
[03:38] <AnRkey> ok
[03:38] <AnRkey> thanks
[03:38] <qid> AnRkey: it's in there, but I'd assume it's the 7.04 version instead
[03:39] <scizzo-> evening everyone
[03:40] <mattyv> qid: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[03:40] <qid> can't connect to that site
[03:40] <qid> is there an additional source or something like that I have to add to get 7.10 packages?
[03:41] <macaco> is ok that i install GL desktop 2???'
[03:41] <mattyv> qid: try without the 's' in https:// and see
[03:42] <mattyv> I was used to launchpad which is https://
[03:43] <AnRkey> why?
[03:43] <AnRkey> are the effects working?
[03:44] <AnRkey> qid, have u tried it?
[03:45] <AnRkey> if it's in the gutsy repo it might work
[03:45] <AnRkey> or post a quetion on the bug
[03:47] <qid> yeah, I found wireless-tools and libiw29 in the gutsy packages, installing now and I'll see if it works
[03:48] <macaco> how add in my session compiz
[03:49] <scizzo-> macaco: wanna add it to start when logging in?
[03:53] <mssnlayam> I upgraded to Gusty, looks like there is some problem with cups-pdf. Please take a look at this bash session and offer your thoughts. Thanks. http://dpaste.com/17988/
[03:54] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, one sec
[03:55] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: configure problem big time with cups... :P
[03:55] <mssnlayam> :)
[03:55] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, had the same problem today
[03:55] <mssnlayam> so, I guess a bug has already been reported?
[03:56] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, sudo apt-get remove --purge cups-pdf
[03:56] <AnRkey> then if cups-pdf caused the upgrade to fail u can run
[03:57] <AnRkey> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:57] <mssnlayam> the upgrade got over, that is my understanding
[03:57] <AnRkey> to finish the upgrade
[03:57] <AnRkey> run this
[03:57] <AnRkey> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:57] <AnRkey> u can then try sudo apt-get install cups-pdf
[03:58] <AnRkey> the configure problem was only an upgrade problem
[03:58] <AnRkey> if u install it from scratch it should work
[03:58] <mssnlayam> all right, removed cups-pdf, did apt-get -f install
[03:59] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, what did -f install do?
[03:59] <mssnlayam> and now I am doing "apt-get install cups-pdf" and get the same error
[03:59] <AnRkey> ok then remove it and try again if a week or so
[04:00] <mssnlayam> output of removing and -f install http://dpaste.com/17990/
[04:00] <larson9999> can i client running gutsy log in via xdmcp to a server running fiesty?
[04:00] <mssnlayam> so, should I report a bug?
[04:04] <qid> wonderful, the new network-manager requires a libc6 upgrade... which probably means upgrading half of everything to gutsy
[04:05] <scizzo-> larson9999: you mean connecting to a feisty server?
[04:06] <mssnlayam> AnRkey: Thanks :)
[04:07] <larson9999> scizzo-, yeah, via xdmcp from a gutsy client
[04:07] <larson9999> scizzo-, i can see the machine but it won't log in.  works just fine from fiesty though
[04:07] <scizzo-> larson9999: ok....you get any error?
[04:08] <larson9999> nope.  just when i click connect instead of giving me the login dialog for the server it gives me the dialog for the client
[04:09] <nickrud> what are people using for hot keys under compiz/emerald?
[04:09] <scizzo-> larson9999: hmmm....sounds strange
[04:10] <scizzo-> nickrud: standard... :)
[04:11] <nickrud> scizzo-, hm, my metacity command bindings aren't working ... not suprising since metacity isn't running
[04:11] <scizzo-> nickrud: you are running the desktop effects? normal one?
[04:12] <nickrud> compiz --replace , emerald --replace
[04:13] <scizzo-> nickrud: what hotkeys are you tryint to use?
[04:13] <nickrud> scizzo-, I normally have super-t for a terminal at 80x50; it's the only one I really want back
[04:14] <scizzo-> nickrud: not sure then.....if its a setup you are trying to do yourself then I dont know really
[04:14] <scizzo-> nickrud: check the settings for compiz in the preferences maybe?
[04:15] <scizzo-> nickrud: might find something there
[04:16] <nickrud> scizzo-, did a quick look, didn't see anything in either the gnome-compiz-manager or compizconfig-settings-manager . But, I look closer
[04:18] <scizzo-> nickrud: yeah I am not 100% sure myself so
[04:18] <scizzo-> anyone can confirm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player/+bug/135358
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135358 in vmware-player "vmware-player uninstallable" [Undecided,New] 
[04:18] <scizzo-> for me please?
[04:18] <nickrud> scizzo-, I did a dpkg -L on comizconfig-settings-manager, and there's an svg called category-key-bindings, so I think I will find it somewhere :)
[04:19] <scizzo-> nickrud: nice.. :)
[04:20] <nickrud> scizzo-, general settings, buried under there. I was looking at the surface
[04:21] <scizzo-> nickrud: hehe that usually is the case...good to have found it now though... ;)
[04:22] <nickrud> scizzo-, yeah, I got a bit impatient. But I've got a decent working compiz on an ati 200 express, so I'm more than happy
[04:22] <vlowther> compiz, bah.  Real Men use xmonad and like it!
[04:22] <scizzo-> vlowther: tvm
[04:24] <nickrud> twm is sufficient, really
[04:25] <vlowther> bah, too much window decoration
[04:26] <mssnlayam> I get the following message from the kernel http://dpaste.com/17991/  my logfiles are getting filled :)
[04:29] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: this is flooded in dmesg also?
[04:29] <mssnlayam> yes
[04:30] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: you wouldn't happen to have a serial device plugged to the machine?
[04:30] <mssnlayam> like?
[04:31] <mssnlayam> is a USB mouse a serial device?
[04:31] <scizzo-> no
[04:31] <mssnlayam> then no, no serial device added
[04:31] <scizzo-> you have any hardware that is not recognized maybe...
[04:31] <scizzo-> check with lspci if everything seems ok there...
[04:32] <mssnlayam> looks okay to me
[04:32] <mon^rch> is anyone having problems with their extensions not working?
[04:33] <mbt> Anyone here use Thunderbird and experiencing a memory corruption issue with glibc?
[04:33] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: try to use tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[04:33] <mssnlayam> scizzo-, is this related to LVM?
[04:34] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: hmmm raid?
[04:34] <mattyv> mon^rch: extensions for what, firefox?
[04:34] <mon^rch> yeah
[04:34] <mon^rch> I am thing about dist-upgrading and I need them to work
[04:34] <mon^rch> thinking
[04:34] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: the error is about input/output to a driver device anyway
[04:35] <mssnlayam> scizzo-: /var/log/dmesg remains the same, the output of dmesg changes every time, and /var/log/syslog keeps growning
[04:35] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: right...hmmm...hardware stuff...hard to know what exactly is going wrong here...
[04:35] <mssnlayam> http://marc.info/?l=linux-raid&m=110717904304319&w=2
[04:36] <mssnlayam> something got to do with raid, will try to disable some service and see
[04:36] <mattyv> mon^rch: All good here, but I'm mainly using GranParadiso
[04:36] <mattyv> mon^rch: I should also say, 2.0.0.6 is still standard on Gutsy, so you should be fine
[04:37] <mssnlayam> http://www.google.com/search?q=dm-linear+device+lookup+failed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a  looks like a lot of people have it
[04:37] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: maybe a general kernel problem
[04:37] <mssnlayam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress] 
[04:37] <mssnlayam> :)
[04:37] <scizzo-> yepp
[04:38] <mssnlayam> cool, so people are on top of this
[04:38] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: most of the time they are...
[04:39] <mssnlayam> doesn't hurt to say have one more nice thing said about the community
[04:40] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: hehe
[04:40] <tretle> is anyone here using empathy?
[04:40] <nickrud> hah! and network manager Works For Me, finally!
[04:42] <tretle> or if anyone could recommend a multi-protocol telepathy instant messenger which supports voice + video chat?
[04:43] <Arwen> telepathy? o.O
[04:43] <scizzo-> tretle: ekiga?
[04:43] <Arwen> ekiga can't read your mind
[04:43] <tretle> based off of telepathy?
[04:44] <scizzo-> tretle: google?
[04:44] <tretle> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[04:45] <tretle> but I was wondering if there is any that might not be listed there
[04:45] <tretle> banter looks like it covers all of the requirements but its not in the official repos
[04:45] <tretle> and I cant find a deb or repo for it
[04:47] <scizzo-> there is a ubuntu site about it
[04:47] <tretle> link?
[04:47] <scizzo-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/IM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM?action=show&redirect=MOTUIM%2FDesktopIntegrationSIPIM
[04:48] <scizzo-> old site though
[04:48] <snadge> is debian dieing? i know this is ot.. but someone in here surely has a few cents on the subject ;)
[04:48] <snadge> ian left for sun.. wondering if he had cranky pants over ubuntu
[04:49] <scizzo-> snadge: old news
[04:49] <scizzo-> snadge: doesnt mean that its dying really
[04:49] <tretle> telepathy on ubuntu is practically non existent
[04:49] <snadge> yeah i know its old news, just wondering what the relevance/impact of that will be
[04:49] <tretle> the choice is telepathy
[04:49] <tretle> when banter is by far better
[04:50] <tretle> sorry " the choice is empathy
[04:50] <tretle> not telepathy
[04:50] <tretle> you know what i mean
[04:50] <tretle> :D
[04:51] <snadge> i havnt been following the politics.. just know that obviously ubuntu has stolen the thunder.. and its based on debian.. leaving a kind of interesting situation
[04:52] <snadge> kind of like a parasite thats slowly killing its host ;)
[04:53] <Arwen> the people that use Debian would never even consider touching Ubuntu. Same goes the other way.
[04:55] <snadge> i still use debian on my production web server
[04:55] <snadge> but ubuntu for everything else.. including dev
[05:03] <snadge> but basically mark shuttleworth has taken debian in the direction that I always wanted it to go.. the power and correctness (in policy, licensing etc) of debian.. but made accessable to ordinary (or lazy like me) people :)
[05:04] <snadge> remove some arrogance, add a whole load of stupidity.. voila hehe
[05:17] <forevertheuni> i'm searching like cray
[05:17] <forevertheuni> crazy*
[05:17] <forevertheuni> does anyone has a gusty .deb with wine 0.9.44
[05:18] <forevertheuni> it's too much time to a compile
[05:18] <Arwen> forevertheuni, I do
[05:19] <Arwen> wine does take a good amount of time to compile though
[05:19] <RAOF> Why would you bother?  Feisty packages work just fine.
[05:19] <Arwen> they're 2 versions old
[05:19] <genii> I'm curious why Gutsy Kubuntu cd install makes weird prepends to menu items, something like _:menu item kmenu:            Whereas apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't
[05:20] <forevertheuni> Arwen, long time since I dcc'd something from Irc :D
[05:20] <Arwen> forevertheuni, of course, I made them myself, so don't trust me
[05:20] <Arwen> I can send you the source packages too if you don't trust them
[05:20] <forevertheuni> Arwen, it's ok
[05:20] <forevertheuni> tnx :D
[05:20] <forevertheuni> damn eve-online new patch..
[05:21] <forevertheuni> doesn't work with cedega
[05:21] <Arwen> hint: to run Windows applications, you should use Windows
[05:21] <Arwen> :-)
[05:21] <genii> Arwen: I agree
[05:22] <brmassa> guys, im using kubuntu gutsy. i installed flash but my konqueror is crashing every single page where there is flash.
[05:22] <genii> Anyopne else experiencing the _:menu item kmen:   thing or is it just me?
[05:22] <genii> bleh typos
[05:24] <mattyv> brmassa: adobe flash plugin or gnash?
[05:24] <brmassa> mattyv: adobe
[05:24] <genii> Anyhow this is with Tribe 5 kubuntu CD, md5 check was fine. If I install Gnome Tribe 5 then do the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   the menu items appear as normal.
[05:24] <brmassa> konqueror, in fact, detect a flash page on the very first time and offer to install the adobe one automatically
[05:25] <forevertheuni> Arwen, na..I have no windows
[05:25] <Arwen> that's a shame, it's a good thing to have
[05:25] <Arwen> let's the sun in for one
[05:25] <forevertheuni> O.o uh?
[05:26] <scizzo-> brmassa: I think there is a bug report about it krasching when using flash player
[05:26] <forevertheuni> some years ago I decided I would only have software I payed for in my computer
[05:26] <forevertheuni> so..I aint giving one euro to m$
[05:26] <genii> Must be an expensive proposition
[05:26] <brmassa> scizzo, yes, there is. but no solution there.
[05:27] <Arwen> forevertheuni, that doesn't make sense. So you bought Ubuntu?
[05:27] <mbt> Did GNU make drastic changes to glibc or something?
[05:27] <scizzo-> brmassa: have you updated the system today?
[05:27] <Arwen> and hint: there's no such thing as m$
[05:27] <SeveredCross> mbt: I don't think so, why?
[05:27] <DanaG> "m$" is a really really lame, overused attempt at humor.
[05:27] <mbt> SeveredCross, Because after upgrading, I am getting lots of crashes seemingly caused by glibc detecting memory corruption...
[05:27] <DanaG> At least saying something like "Winderz" is somwehat funny.
[05:27] <mbt> And the same versions of some of this software on Feisty had no such problem.
[05:28] <SeveredCross> Weird...I haven't seen any issues like that myself.
[05:28] <scizzo-> 31337
[05:28] <scizzo-> is also over used
[05:28] <mbt> Doing things like opening mail messages in Thunderbird, and the like.  I was able to fix some, but not all, of the problem, by moving my old ${HOME} and starting over.  :-/
[05:28] <forevertheuni> Arwen, bah...software that costs money
[05:28] <forevertheuni> Arwen, late here
[05:28] <forevertheuni> insognia
[05:28] <Arwen> Cedega costs money >_>
[05:28] <forevertheuni> insomnia*
[05:29] <forevertheuni> Arwen, and I payed for
[05:29] <brmassa> scizzo, doing this right now!
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: ok
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: cause someone updated his plugins today and seemed to have fixed it
[05:29] <Arwen> that's 'paid' to you :-)
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: not sure though....might still be broken.....problem with dev releases you know... :D
[05:30] <forevertheuni> wtf..the download didn't save?
[05:30] <Arwen> what client?
[05:30] <forevertheuni> xchat
[05:30] <forevertheuni> :/
[05:30] <forevertheuni> oh..went to ~
[05:30] <Arwen> look in ~/.xchat2/downloads
[05:31] <darkstar61> brmassa: could you post a link to a site that made konqueror crash?
[05:31] <scizzo-> brmassa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/128308
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128308 in kdebase "[gutsy]  konqueror freezes when viewing flash (dup-of: 127944)" [Undecided,New] 
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Open Office applications don't start " [High,Fix released] 
[05:31] <DanaG> T.  Now that's cooler than numbers.
[05:32] <mbt> lol @ DanaG
[05:32] <SeveredCross> bug 128308
[05:32] <SeveredCross> bug #128308
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Dammit post the link you stupid bot.
[05:32] <brmassa> darkstart61, every flash site.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Oh someone did already.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> LOL
[05:32] <brmassa> youtube for eaxample
[05:32] <genii> Just look it up on launchpad
[05:33] <brmassa> ops... darkstar61
[05:33] <DanaG> Where's the "go to specific bug number" box on Launchpad?
[05:34] <darkstar61> brmassa: it works fine for me...
[05:34] <wastrel> is there going to be a way to easily disable gnome network manager in gusty?
[05:34] <Arwen> forevertheuni, oh yeah, by the way, I was talking about the windows in your house earlier :-)
[05:34] <Arwen> they're nice to have
[05:34] <wastrel> that's a feature request if not :] 
[05:34] <darkstar61> brmassa: i'm on a gutsy fully upgraded...
[05:34] <brmassa> im updating now.
[05:34] <Arwen> wastrel, system -> prefs -> sessions -> startup
[05:34] <brmassa> maybe thats it
[05:34] <forevertheuni> Arwen, oh :D :/
[05:34] <scizzo-> just try to do todays upgrade and then try to reproduce the problem
[05:34] <forevertheuni> lol
[05:34] <Arwen> it should just have a "remove and disable" option in the menu though
[05:35] <forevertheuni> Arwen, I tend to have big door
[05:35] <forevertheuni> doors*
[05:35] <forevertheuni> :d
[05:35] <wastrel> Arwen:  i also want to disable the daemons :]   just to be spiteful
[05:35] <Arwen> (MS Windows is also nice to have, but that'd get me flamed here)
[05:35] <Arwen> :-P
[05:35] <mbt> I wonder if my issues are 64-bit specific.
[05:35] <Arwen> wastrel, ps -e | grep network returns no processes
[05:35] <Arwen> so I think you're ok
[05:35] <wastrel> grep Network
[05:35] <Arwen> oh, capitalized :-\
[05:38] <dwidmann> Arwen: (I suppose you need something to fill all that extra hdd space :P)
[05:38] <darkstar61> brmassa: http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3442/testyoutubewu9.jpg
[05:38] <Arwen> extra? I'm at 99% usage, lol
[05:38] <scizzo-> darkstar61: let him test after he has upgraded his installation
[05:39] <Arwen> wastrel, you can do a apt-get remove network-manager
[05:39] <darkstar61> yep...
[05:39] <wastrel> so it would appear
[05:42] <brmassa_> scizzo and darkstar61, its working! thanks
[05:42] <scizzo-> WEE!
[05:42] <darkstar61> good
[05:43] <scizzo-> apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade owns
[05:43] <scizzo-> :P
[05:49] <dfgas> good job on gusty guys, so far
[05:50] <dfgas> it is looking sweet
[05:50] <DanaG> !aptitude
[05:50] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[05:50] <DanaG> I like it better.
[05:50] <dfgas> however, i have to wipe it clean  :( gonna try out mce i may upgrade my 7.04 to 7.10t5 though
[05:51] <dfgas> 6 os's and counting, lol
[05:51] <darkstar61> dfgas: positively... i do a fresh gutsy install on a test box and until now no major bad issues...
[05:51] <dfgas> i have none yet either
[05:51] <dfgas> its kickarse
[05:52] <dfgas> but after seeing mce at a local computer store, i must mess with it till i like it, then i will get another system for it.
[05:52] <darkstar61> i'm only waiting for the kde4/oxygen things... :)
[05:54] <dfgas> i want to mess with kde4 as well
[05:55] <mluser-work> is there a repository for installing freenx in gusty?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> unlikely
[06:01] <darkstar61> mluser-work: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ?
[06:01] <mluser-work> darkstar61: thank you
[06:02] <darkstar61> mluser-work: i don't tested it, so it could not work...
[06:03] <mluser-work> I'm trying it now..
[06:08] <mluser-work> it seems I dont know how to add the gusty repo's.. changing feisty to gusty is not enough
[06:11] <darkstar61> mluser-work: i guess freenx is stopped to feisty, on that repo... sorry
[06:11] <SeveredCross> Uh.
[06:11] <SeveredCross> First, make sure you spell it right.
[06:12] <SeveredCross> Gutsy not gusty.
[06:12] <SeveredCross> And then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade should be good.
[06:12] <mluser-work> oh.. hehe, thanks
[06:20] <vega-> is it possible to see when a package has been installed? does dpkg/apt store the install date somewhere?
[06:21] <stdin> vega-: probably in the dpkg log, /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:24] <homerhomer> hey all, I was wondering is gutsy noticeably faster feisty?
[06:24] <homerhomer> oops
[06:24] <homerhomer> hey all, I was wondering is gutsy noticeably faster THAN feisty?
[06:24] <scizzo-> homerhomer: how you mean faster?
[06:25] <randy026> hmm that's funny i read it right the first time lol
[06:25] <SeveredCross> That's because English is a predictable language.
[06:25] <vega-> stdin: yep, there it is, thanks
[06:25] <SeveredCross> You know what should be there, so your brain just fills it in.
[06:25] <homerhomer> just very vaguely, like overall  - the bootup, gnome log in
[06:25] <SeveredCross> It does feel a mite faster to me but I really don't know.
[06:26] <homerhomer> desktop responsiveness
[06:26] <SeveredCross> I think the kernel is tickless which I've heard may help out a bit.
[06:26] <SeveredCross> It's pretty good for me, fairly responsive.
[06:26] <scizzo-> homerhomer: let me guess....compiz/emerald question in general?
[06:27] <homerhomer> no, I was just wondering on the effects of optimizations of the kernel and gnome stuff
[06:28] <scizzo-> yes, I think so......
[06:29] <homerhomer> kewl, I know that I'll like, just doing a quick probe   :)   Thanks
[06:29] <scizzo-> I still have a very very new geforce card so can't really say its very good in linux just yet with the drivers that comes from nvidia
[06:38] <randy026> is the tab extention in firefox broken for anyone else?
[06:38] <randy026> the ubuntu add-on one
[06:46] <DanaG> "Tabbrowser Extension", if that's the one, is dangerous -- even in the words of the creator.
[06:46] <DanaG> Try "Tab Mix Plus", instead.
[06:46] <DanaG> I don't get why they even packaged TBE, anyway... it's just asking for breakage.
[06:48] <randy026> really...
[06:49] <randy026> ok I like TMP anyway thats what I used on windows I just assumed it didnt work in linux or something since they had that
[06:50] <DanaG> Wow, Firefox's info bar is soooo slow to open, and eats 100% CPU while opening.
[06:50] <DanaG> Not very nice.
[06:58] <DanglyBits> how do i install acrobat 9 for gutsy?
[07:01] <nickrud> DanglyBits, according to the adobe site, 7.0.9 is the latest for linux
[07:01] <DanglyBits> how do i install acrobat 7 for gutsy?
[07:02] <dfgas> ran into the first problem
[07:03] <dfgas> booted up and compiz.real and it was bouncing back and fortth on my cores and making my cpu work at 100%
[07:05] <dfgas> i shut desktop effects off and nothing, i had to kill the process
[07:05] <nickrud> DanglyBits, download the one from adobe http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10&platform=unix and follow the instructions
[07:06] <DanglyBits> how can i install the beta for kde 4 on my gutsy system?
[07:08] <scizzo-> DanglyBits: beta of kde?
[07:08] <scizzo-> dfgas: what happens if you use compiz --replace instead?
[07:08] <scizzo-> dfgas: not using the normal desktop effects and so on?
[07:08] <dfgas> i don't know this is the first time it happened
[07:09] <dfgas> i booted up and i started downloading something and all the sudden i was at a bare desktop again
[07:10] <scizzo-> right
[07:10] <DanglyBits> kubuntu has beta of kde 4...how to install that with gutsy ?
[07:53] <msikma> Hey everyone
[07:54] <msikma> Just wondering, could you point me to where I can turn off extra desktop effects via terminal? Because I just restarted and it seems it's only going into effect now, and it doesn't seem to like it
[07:56] <Tomcat_> msikma: metacity --replace should work I think.
[07:58] <msikma> When I try that, it says "unable to open X display"
[07:59] <msikma> I'd like to note that by saying it "doesn't like extra desktop effects", it's continually crashing while I try to start it :P
[07:59] <ysth1> I've heard people say compiz is faster (at what?) than metacity - if so, why metacity at all?
[07:59] <crdlb> DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace
[08:00] <msikma> crdlb: I'm trying this now, it waited for a while and then said it couldn't open display 0. But my X server just gave another error message saying "I'll try to restart the X server in 2 minutes", so then I'll try again
[08:02] <mattyv> ysth1: compiz requires 3d acceleration if im not mistaken, i would say close to a majority of ppl don't have that yet. Plus compiz isn't as stable
[08:04] <msikma> Nope, I don't seem to be able to use "metacity --replace", even with the DISPLAY prefix or while the X server is trying really hard to start up.
[08:06] <msikma> Any other way I can try to fix this?
[08:07] <msikma> I don't know where to find the config files for "desktop effects".
[08:09] <msikma> Time to file a bug, then :P
[08:15] <Tomcat_> msikma: The config files for desktop effects are in the gconf directory... i.e. you have to use gconf to change configs.
[08:19] <shirish> hi all, is there anyway to get a font list on the system?
[08:20] <msikma> Tomcat_: I see, but that can be done with command line, right?
[08:20] <shirish> !fonts
[08:20] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:23] <msikma> Thanks for the help, I'll file a bug report and come back later to try and fix it :)
[08:40] <shirish> !lsb-release
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb-release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <shirish> !lsb_release
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <Hobbsee> shirish: what about it?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> shirish: you want lsb_release -a
[08:42] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah yes, that's what I was searching for, there should have been a short manual entry for it :(
[08:43] <stdin> man lsb_release ?
[08:43] <stdin> or !version
[08:44] <Hobbsee> stdin: the former
[08:44] <shirish> stdin: man lsb_release works not the latter.
[08:44] <Hobbsee> shirish: the bot doesnt contain every man entry, for good reason
[08:44] <Hobbsee> !version
[08:44] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[08:44] <Hobbsee> the latter works - it's a bot command
[08:44] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh you meant ubotu
[08:44] <shirish> !ubotusnack
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubotusnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: if it's prefaced with a !, that's usually an indication that i'ts for an irc bot.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: have you ever seen !'s used for the start of a command, in the console?
[08:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: not yet :P
[08:46] <stdin> after "man lsb_release", !l is interesting...
[08:46] <stdin> erm, !m rather
[08:49] <shirish> !botsnack
[08:49] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: stdin: do you guys know if lsb-release is installed from the daily/alternate CD or not.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> it is
[08:51] <stdin> it should be installed with ubuntu-minimal anyway
[08:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's in -minimal
[08:53] <shirish> stdin: ok cool, btw how did you find that out that its part of ubuntu-minimal from lsb-release?
[08:54] <stdin> one way is to do "apt-cache rdepends lsb-release"
[08:55] <shirish> stdin: I tried that
[08:55] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ apt-cache -rdepends lsb-release
[08:55] <shirish> E: Command line option 'r' [from -rdepends]  is not known.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> s/check/confirm
[08:56] <Hobbsee> shirish: read reply.  look.  think.  try again.
[08:56] <stdin> no dash in the command
[08:56] <Hobbsee> dont put yourself higher on the idiot list.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> it's an award you *dont* want to win.
[08:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh yeah, the -
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:57] <shirish> my mistake
[08:57] <Hobbsee> it's amazing how things dont work when you put in the wrong command :P
[09:04] <shirish> !girls
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <shirish> !girl
[09:04] <ubotu> Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | For more interesting reading, see http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/
[09:04] <shirish> Hobbsee: that was an excellent addition to the factoids
[09:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm going to put that up on my LUG mailing list, both the url's
[09:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: :)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, i found that yesterday, and thought it was really good
[09:08] <arooni> folks on gutsy; eclipse is crashing like nobody's business;  i also have java runtime 6  up
[09:09] <arooni> and thats supplying java for eclipse
[09:09] <Hobbsee> then fix it?
[09:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: nah, I didn't like the second one, too short & somewhat compressed
[09:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: the first one is entertaining (as I am an MMORPG fan) also & it does make more sense.
[09:14] <shirish> Hobbsee: also lot of youngsters here are also into MMORPG even though the net connectivity is not so conducive.
[09:15] <pwnguin> anyone know how to ask randr what the current rotation is?
[09:17] <shirish> pwnguin: I believe 'xrandr' gives you some insight
[09:17] <pwnguin> default connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm
[09:17] <pwnguin> in feisty it'd show up explicitly, now it only shows if it's not normal =(
[09:21] <shirish> pwnguin: dunno much about it, xrandr has a manual page about it, and google might help
[09:21] <pwnguin> hmm.
[09:21] <pwnguin> the resolution applet knows about it somehow
[09:26] <shirish> bbl guys
[09:28] <pwnguin> i think --verbose is what i needed
[09:33] <huno> Hi There :)
[09:33] <scizzo-> hello
[09:33] <huno> anyone who managed to use the new serial service of libbluetooth2 from python?
[09:46] <scizzo-> huno: never tried
[10:22] <c1|freaky> what is a good desktop search program i can use for kubuntu? im on gutsy tribe 5 where strigi was added but the daemon seems to keep crashing
[10:29] <Jordan_U> sigh... It almost seems like VESA is going to be broken for Gutsy too :(
[10:52] <arooni> hey folks; sound was working great on my t61 (intel-hda).... after compiling & installing alsa drivers from scratch......... but after installing some packages.... it looks like my sound doesnt work nemore
[10:52] <arooni> what shoul di do
[10:52] <arooni> reinstall sound drivers?
[10:54] <Jordan_U> arooni, Is this happening in Gutsy?
[10:54] <arooni> Jordan_U, yes
[10:55] <Jordan_U> arooni, Have you filed a bug report or is one already filed?
[10:55] <arooni> Jordan_U, havent filed one myself
[10:55] <arooni> dont know if its already filed
[10:56] <Jordan_U> arooni, Please check for one
[10:57] <Jordan_U> arooni, If the problem isn't know then it can't be fixed.
[10:57] <arooni> Jordan_U, good point
[10:58] <arooni> i love ubuntu
[10:59] <arooni> on an unrelated note; how do i play back wmv files within firefox
[10:59] <jussi01> arooni: install ther firefox plugin for mplayer
[11:00] <Jordan_U> arooni, Just right click and choose "open with movie player" then totem should automatically install the needed codecs, from then on they will play from within FF
[11:00] <arooni> jussi01, do u know what id type for sudo apt-get install ?
[11:00] <arooni> Jordan_U, it installed them but i get black screen durin gplayback
[11:00] <Jordan_U> arooni, Did you try opening in Totem?
[11:01] <arooni> Jordan_U, isn't ... open with movie player = totem?
[11:02] <Jordan_U> arooni, Yes
[11:02] <Jordan_U> arooni, Have you done that?
[11:02] <arooni> Jordan_U, yes
[11:05] <Jazon> hihi :-)
[11:05] <Jazon> i just noticed after about a week that my OOo is broke
[11:06] <Jordan_U> Jazon, Using KDE?
[11:06] <Jazon> Jordan_U: yes
[11:07] <Jazon> i was forced to use KOffice :P
[11:07] <Jordan_U> Jazon, There was a known bug about OO in KDE with tribe4, don't know if it has been fixed yet
[11:07] <Jordan_U> Jazon, There is a work around in the bug report if it is the same bug
[11:08] <Jazon> i am trying a sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[11:08] <Jazon> Jordan_U: if that dooesnt fix it i will try the workaround
[11:10] <Jazon> hmmm there be weirdness here.... (after resuming from a suspend on my laptop)
[11:10] <Jazon> gee, already there was 85.9 Mb of updates to OOo
[11:17] <Jazon> Jordan_U: the update worked.  i have OOo back :-D
[11:34] <Jazon> not sure if this is a bug or not...
[11:35] <Jazon> http://rafb.net/p/Qxes9m39.html
[11:47] <Jordan_U> Jazon, It's a bug if you are connected to a wireless network / router with dhcp
[12:27] <Asad2005> i have installed gusty and am looking for cpu temp applet for panel ? computertemp  is not in repos
[12:30] <Jazon> Asad2005: ksensors ?
[12:32] <Asad2005> Jazon, I have installed xsensors but its not for panel and also gives this error "Sensor 'k8temp' not supported by xsensors"
[12:33] <Jazon> i am running ksensors with no problem on my box (kde)
[12:33] <Asad2005> Jazon, sensors in command displays the cpu temp ok
[12:34] <Asad2005> Jazon, thanks anyhow
[12:35] <Jazon> ok good luck
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: give me a sec there is one
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: computertemp sensors-applet there should also be one in gdesklets gdesklets-data
[12:54] <gnomefreak> there was a guide to set them up as well
[12:54] <gnomefreak> cant find it though
[12:56] <Trewas> and there's sensors-applet for gnome
[12:56] <Trewas> oh you mentioned it :)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> theres also CPu Frequency Scaling Monitor in the panel applets (right click gnome panel than add to panel it should be there by default or part of gdesklets but i dont thin i installed gdesklets
[01:00] <gnomefreak> and there is more all you have to do is use apt-cache search or open synaptic and search
[01:02] <Asad2005> gnomefreak, i know about all these and wonder why they are not in synaptic search, i have enabled universe and multiverse
[01:03] <gnomefreak> are you sure you didnt just enable backports universe and multiverse?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: can you please post the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[01:06] <gnomefreak> gdesklets* in is main iirc
[01:06] <gnomefreak> !info sensors-applet gutsy
[01:06] <ubotu> sensors-applet: Display readings from hardware sensors in your Gnome panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.12+dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 96 kB, installed size 512 kB
[01:06] <gnomefreak> thats in universe and i think that is the most popular
[01:08] <Asad2005> gnomefreak, thanks all it seems that synaptic is hiding some apps and i am not familiar with its new GUI, i installed computertemp from command line ok
[01:08] <gnomefreak> k iirc ther eis a bunch of set up things you have to do but its been ages since i used any of them
[01:12] <mon^rch> ff is still pooched
[01:20] <mon^rch> why do I keep after dev versions of linux... I'll never know
[01:46] <mon^rch> can someone help me get my firefox extensions working? please...
[01:52] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, In what way are they not working?
[01:52] <mon^rch> ff hangs when I try to open it. ff preferences do not work either
[01:53] <mon^rch> if i delete my profile ff works
[01:53] <mon^rch> :/
[01:53] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, And if you start in safe mode?
[01:53] <mon^rch> didnt try that
[01:53] <mon^rch> you mean ff safe mode?
[01:54] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, firefox --safe-mode ( one of the things it does is disable all extentions )
[01:57] <jsomers> which is the extension causing the problem?
[02:00] <monarch> lol it froze my comp
[02:00] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Froze the entire OS or just FF?
[02:02] <monarch> the entire os
[02:02] <monarch> and now my nick is stuck :P
[02:02] <monarch> but now i can start in safe mode
[02:04] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Can you get to a Console?
[02:04] <monarch> :( i miss my extentions
[02:04] <monarch> yes
[02:04] <monarch> :P
[02:04] <Jordan_U> monarch, try killing firefox ( killall firefox-bin )
[02:05] <monarch> why? it works
[02:05] <monarch> just without the extensions
[02:06] <Jordan_U> monarch, I thought the OS was frozen, or was that temporary / dealt with?
[02:06] <monarch> i hard booted :/
[02:06] <Jordan_U> monarch, You give up to easily :)
[02:06] <monarch> lol
[02:06] <monarch> perhaps
[02:07] <monarch> can you get my extensions up?
[02:07] <Jordan_U> monarch, I assume that they aren't just disabled?
[02:07] <monarch> yeah they're disabled
[02:08] <Jordan_U> monarch, And when you enable them FF freezes ?
[02:08] <monarch> yup
[02:08] <monarch> er, hangs while opening
[02:08] <Jordan_U> monarch, No matter which one, or does it freeze at the menu before you even actually enable them?
[02:09] <monarch> I cant open ff preferences
[02:10] <monarch> how do I enable my extensions?
[02:11] <monarch> duh
[02:12] <mon^rch> ahem
[02:14] <mon^rch> its one of my extensions that is causing it to hang... Jordan_U do you know a way around this maybe?
[02:14] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, I was hoping you could do it from safe mode
[02:15] <ccooke> Interesting...
[02:16] <ccooke> Just tried to open a video in Totem and got back:
[02:16] <ccooke> Message: Error: No space left on the resource.
[02:16] <mon^rch> well I know which one I think
[02:16] <ccooke> (There's plenty of both RAM and disk space)
[02:17] <mon^rch> and wouldnt you know it my favorite extension is the one causing it to hang  :(
[02:18] <jussi01> mon^rch: which one is that?
[02:18] <mon^rch> del.icio.us bookmarks
[02:19] <mon^rch> i use it like constantly :(
[02:19] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Try safe mode again and don't give up so easily this time if it crashes again? :)
[02:20] <jussi01> Jordan_U: I think it works fine for him now, just that his extention is crashing it.
[02:21] <mon^rch> cant i just try and enable it normaly
[02:22] <mon^rch> ;)
[02:24] <mon^rch> holy.. freak my amarok icons are gone
[02:24] <rents> hi, i just couldn't figure out why gutsy's gives me just a beep in pc speaker instead of the original sound
[02:24] <mon^rch> like all of them
[02:24] <rents> any ideas?
[02:24] <mon^rch> :P
[02:30] <mon^rch> I had to set all my fonts to 8
[02:33] <Nick_Hill> Xsane is causing a core dump on Gutsy. Considering filing a bug. Core is being dumped to /var/crash/  . Is it likely the dumped core contains sensitive information, or could it safely be published?
[02:33] <mon^rch> my konversation tray icon is displayed improperly
[02:35] <jussi01> Nick_Hill: no Idea. I would wait until they ask - just tell them in the bug you have it if they want it
[02:38] <Nick_Hill> jussi01, Thanks.
[02:38] <jussi01> :)
[02:54] <mon^rch> I like the pidgin icons :)
[02:55] <mon^rch> anyone know where the konversation tray icon is kept :D
[03:04] <davmor2> bottom right next to everything else that is open
[03:05] <Lattyware> Anyone else find gnome-terminal to be broken?
[03:09] <jgm> Yeah
[03:10] <jgm> And updating the xterm package removes the desktop shortcuts to it
[03:10] <jgm> I think that gutsy is going all-GUI :)
[03:11] <saispo> when a package is not synced with stable or testing debian, where can i say that ?
[03:20] <Trewas> saispo: there is upstream version freeze in place, so saying that anywhere is not likely to help unless the new version fixes some serious bugs, for this there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[03:20] <Trewas> and afaik the packages are synced from unstable
[03:25] <mon^rch> is there a way I can revert to an old version of ff... or something so I can have all my extensions and the preferences and stuff?
[03:27] <mr-russ> Hi, I'm wanting help formulating bug reports about dual monitor and intel graphics printing white lines on the screen?
[03:28] <mr-russ> Is someone able to guide me a little in producing something that is reasonable to put on launchpad?
[03:37] <mon^rch> can someone make it so del.icio.us bookmarks works in firefox please
[03:37] <jsomers> they work for me :x
[03:38] <mon^rch> no way! seriously?
[03:38] <jsomers> at least yesterday evening
[03:38] <jsomers> I'm still at work so I cannot test it at the moment
[04:09] <soc> is there a chace that xorg 7.3 will be shipped with gutsy?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> doubtful if they are not already working on it but if they are working on it it might be included
[04:13] <anon32> soc, unlikely
[04:13] <gnomefreak> we cant take anymore new upstream packages
[04:14] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: did anyone already start on xorg7.3?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: bryce was looking into it
[04:15] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[04:16] <soc> ah ok
[04:17] <soc> will there maybe be an backport?
[04:17] <gnomefreak> no
[04:17] <gnomefreak> never backport xorf
[04:17] <gnomefreak> xorg
[04:17] <soc> ok
[04:17] <gnomefreak> i pinged him to find out if gutsy will get it
[04:17] <gnomefreak> waiting for reply
[04:17] <soc> i hoped that i could eventually use avivo for my laptop when gutsy is out ....
[04:18] <gnomefreak> it depends what he found in xorg7.3 (regressions or blocker bugs ect..) if it has a chance
[04:19] <soc> ah ok
[04:19] <soc> so lets hope the xorg dev produced a stable release
[04:19] <soc> :-P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it was mentioned in the dev team meeting a few weeks ago, iirc
[04:20] <gnomefreak> a few weeks ago i was in hospital
[04:20] <gnomefreak> without my laptop
[04:20] <anon32> o.O
[04:20] <soc> wish me luck
[04:20] <soc> just compiled avivo from git ...
[04:20] <soc> the last tries have been desastrous ...
[04:20] <anon32> ...Xorg keeps spiking my CPU for no apparent reason
[04:20] <anon32> any ideas?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> !away | warbler
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[04:35] <SeveredCross> Wait..Are we talking avivo like ATI?
[04:43] <sque> Hi! I am trying to use displayconfig-gtk, but no lack! Is there somebody here to help with this application? I think its totally bogus on my system :S (Gytsy tribe 5/ full updated)
[04:45] <anon32> eh? I never used it either, didn't trust it :-P
[04:47] <SeveredCross> DId you make sure to run it with root privileges?
[04:51] <sque> anon32, SeveredCross: yes always with sudo
[04:51] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[04:51] <sque> but its like not working at all
[04:52] <sque> I am using it on a laptop with nvidia go 7400 and restricted drivers
[04:52] <SeveredCross> What about it doesn't work?
[04:52] <SeveredCross> You can't do anything?
[04:52] <sque> if I dont plug external monitor
[04:53] <sque> I can see 2 screens on the left
[04:53] <SeveredCross> It works for me..
[04:53] <sque> on from my laptop and one like external
[04:53] <sque> If i try to change the resolution of internal screen and press ok
[04:53] <sque> nothing changes
[04:53] <sque> and I get this report on terminal:
[04:53] <sque> (can I mass paste here?)
[04:54] <sque> (8 lines..)
[04:54] <pvandewyngaerde> sque:  try nvidia-settings
[04:54] <sque> pvandewyngaerde:  with nvidia-settings everything works perfectly
[04:54] <sque> always worked, with any version and distro of linux :P
[04:55] <sque> Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'displayconfig-gtk' received an X Window System error.
[04:55] <sque> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[04:55] <sque> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[04:55] <sque>   (Details: serial 13 error_code 2 request_code 158 minor_code 2)
[04:55] <sque>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[04:55] <sque>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[04:55] <sque>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[04:55] <sque>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[04:55] <sque>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[04:55] <sque> aborting...
[04:55] <sque> Aborted (core dumped)
[04:55] <sque> this is the error I get from displayconfig-gtk when I change my resolution of my only one screen
[04:55] <sque> and res doesn't change
[04:56] <anon32> !pastebin | sque
[04:56] <ubotu> sque: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:57] <sque> :P
[04:58] <sque> anon32, SeveredCross: anyway, this works fine for you?
[04:58] <SeveredCross> It works for me, mostly fine.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> It just doesn't change the layout section, LOL.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> I just changed a whole bunch of stuff.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> And it added a new section for it, instead of changing the old one.
[04:59] <anon32> sque, I never tried
[05:00] <sque> I tryied to connect an external monitor and rerun the application
[05:00] <sque> it then detected both my screens as the model of the external :S
[05:01] <sque> and I still can't change resolution or layout
[05:01] <sque> is there a plan to correct all this? I see an launchpad many many bug reports! This is not ready even for alpha version
[05:02] <sque> s/an/on
[05:03] <Hobbsee> sque: feel free to help fix.
[05:03] <sque> Hobbsee: I wish I could, but have no idea on this :S
[05:04] <sque> I can only test :P
[05:26] <jeffferrari> !info wine
[05:26] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[05:47] <Do``> how can i install the new pdf printer feature?
[05:48] <jeffferrari> I thought it was active out of the box
[05:48] <jeffferrari> let me try
[05:48] <Do``> it's not active, my printer dialog doesnt look like this http://bp3.blogger.com/_r2XUlRoVDD4/RtEbLcNDOWI/AAAAAAAAAOU/kJZExGZ7glk/s1600-h/printing_ubuntu.jpg
[05:49] <Do``> xorg gui wasnt active out of the box either, when upgrading from feisty pack by pack stuff goes missing apparently :)
[05:49] <jeffferrari> yeah, thats the pic I saw in the marketing material
[05:49] <jeffferrari> lol - fresh install here... loving it too
[05:50] <Do``> any idea what package am i missing?
[05:50] <jeffferrari> dude, very cliche'd - did you try just pressing "add printer"?
[05:50] <Do``> yes
[05:51] <Do``> and when i try adding a new network printer by 'cups-pdf:/'
[05:51] <Do``> i cant find the generic pdf printer make and model in the list
[05:51] <Do``> only postscript and other usual stuff
[05:52] <jeffferrari> wierd... it was on my todo list to try out this feature - compared to working in apple support this is one of the ball breakers in default ubuntu installs
[05:54] <Do``> i didnt have the new 'screens & graphics' option either, until i installed some displayconfig-gtk or w/e package and restarted the gnome panel :P
[05:54] <Do``> i must be missing the cups pdf package whatever it's called
[05:54] <jeffferrari> yeah, I found a lot of the touted features needing a single apt-get or somesuch
[05:55] <jeffferrari> been browsing launchpad trying to find correct places to report things
[05:55] <slytherin> Do``: Do you have ubuntu-desktop package installed (if using ubuntu, kubuntu-desktop otherwise).
[05:55] <slytherin> jeffferrari: You need apt-get dist-upgrade. :-)
[05:55] <Do``> slytherin: yes
[05:55] <slytherin> Do``: Did you do upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[05:56] <Do``> dist-upgrade
[05:56] <jeffferrari> slytherin: actually, straight tribe 5 install
[05:56] <jeffferrari> slytherin: yes to ubuntu-desktop too
[05:56] <slytherin> Do``: I am surprised why don't you have that PDF printer.
[05:57] <slytherin> Do``: You can try one thing, try removing ubuntu-desktop, do apt-get update and then install it again.
[05:57] <cr1ss> I 've been trying to burn some Heroes episodes (avi) with K3b and Gnomebaker but I don't know why, both programs pop an error message and eject my disc.. why is that ?
[05:57] <Do``> slytherin: oki
[05:57] <slytherin> cr1ss: What is error?
[05:57] <cr1ss> let me check again
[05:57] <Do``> omg. now it says i have 151mbs a new packages to install...
[05:58] <cr1ss> media is not formatted or unsupported !
[05:58] <Do``> including evolution and other stuff which i dont waaant :(
[05:58] <slytherin> Do``: I have seen such problems before.
[05:58] <jeffferrari> slytherin: should it be like that from a clean tribe5 install?
[05:58] <Do``> slytherin: okay, cups-pdf is there. new problem though, how do i reinstall with ubuntu-desktop, without it reinstalling evolution too?
[05:59] <Do``> totem too..
[06:00] <slytherin> Do``: Install system-config-printer for the new print dialog
[06:00] <slytherin> jeffferrari: Not related to gfresh install
[06:00] <Do``> slytherin: thanks
[06:00] <slytherin> Do``: ubuntu-desktop is meta package. it doesn't provide any functionality. You can selectively upgrade other packages you want
[06:01] <Do``> slytherin: i'll just upgrade everything it suggests, removing all the crap i dont want
[06:01] <slytherin> Do``: As you wish.
[06:02] <cwillu> anyone with any experience with unredirect-fullscreen-windows?
[06:02] <jeffferrari> yeah, I noticed its a meta package, but didn't trigger any dependencies... I'll have a look at the dep and try and figure out whats happening
[06:02] <slytherin> cwillu: What is that?
[06:03] <cwillu> long story :p
[06:03] <cwillu> video playback is very choppy when fullscreen unless I turn that on
[06:04] <cwillu> the catch is that apps don't seem to come back after unfullscreening them
[06:04] <cwillu> just get a black screen
[06:04] <slytherin> cwillu: Which media player?
[06:04] <cwillu> vlc that I've tried so far
[06:04] <slytherin> cwillu: Do you have compiz enabled?
[06:04] <cwillu> yes
[06:05] <cwillu> video playback is easy if compiz isn't running :p
[06:05] <slytherin> cwillu: Try turning that off. I have seen video playback problems when using compiz
[06:05] <cwillu> yes, I know it works fine if you turn it off
[06:06] <albertico> Hi.
[06:06] <albertico> I installed kde4base and I have this error:
[06:07] <Do``> slytherin: it's working now, thanks for the help
[06:07] <cwillu> albertico: ?
[06:09] <jeffferrari> Do``: just for the record, got mine working by just reinstalling cups-pdf
[06:10] <Do``> i didnt have that installed :)
[06:16] <forevertheuni> hi all
[06:17] <mendred> oh brilliant nspluginviewer has started working again..woohoo..
[06:17] <forevertheuni> is networkmanager broken to you too?
[06:17] <forevertheuni> to change Accesspoint in wireless I need to kill all networkmngr related stuff and do a iwconfig ethX essid AP
[06:17] <forevertheuni> and other thing
[06:17] <cwillu> forevertheuni: more specific?  works fine for me
[06:17] <forevertheuni> when I start computer I have IP
[06:17] <forevertheuni> and after a while I have to manually do dhclient eth1
[06:18] <forevertheuni> because the iface goes down
[06:18] <cwillu> forevertheuni: what does uname -a say?
[06:18] <forevertheuni> kernel version?
[06:18] <forevertheuni> 2.6.22-10 generic "smp "
[06:19] <cwillu> i.e., you're running a completely normal kernel?
[06:20] <forevertheuni> yes..
[06:20] <forevertheuni> only alsa compiled modules
[06:20] <cwillu> k
[06:20] <forevertheuni> but..it was like this before..
[06:20] <forevertheuni> sure it's not alsa anyway :D
[06:20] <forevertheuni> even if I do dhclient when I have ip
[06:20] <cwillu> cfs and sd expose a bug in networkmanager, but you won't be running those then
[06:20] <forevertheuni> (right in the beginning)
[06:21] <forevertheuni> it stops
[06:21] <cwillu> check bugs.launchpad.net;  likely somebody has run into it, and there might even be a workaround
[06:22] <forevertheuni> k
[06:30] <Asher256> Hi, i've a bug with vim-addons package i think
[06:30] <Asher256> (in Ubuntu Gutsy)
[06:30] <Pici> !bugs
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[06:30] <Asher256> !bugs
[06:30] <Asher256> :)
[06:30] <Asher256> ubotu, you're a bot ?
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you're a bot ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Pici> !bot
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[06:31] <Hobbsee> Asher256: i suspect it's already filed, and waiting in teh sponsorship queue
[06:31] <Asher256> ubotu, lol
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, it's about vimplate
[06:31] <Hobbsee> right
[06:31] <Hobbsee> then probably different to what i saw
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, I've this error : Use of uninitialized value in opendir at /usr/bin/vimplate line 216.
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, vimplate is in vim-scripts package,
[06:34] <sque> hi!
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Asher256: probably worth filing, then
[06:36] <Asher256> Hobbsee, ok
[06:37] <Hobbsee> assuming it's not already filed.
[06:37] <Asher256> Hobbsee, you've an idea to fix that ?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> not at this time of night.
[06:37] <Asher256> Hobbsee, it's night ?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> here it is, yes.  2.37am
[06:38] <Asher256> Hobbsee, lol... normal, i'm in GMT :-p
[06:38] <Asher256> Hobbsee, The error is here, if you know perl : opendir(DIR, $Config::opt->{dir});
[06:38] <Hobbsee> i dont, and feel free to do a patch
[06:39] <Asher256> Hobbsee, yes, i will do that...
[06:40] <sque> I destrhi!
[06:40] <sque> erm sry
[06:40] <sque> hi!
[06:40] <sque> :p
[06:40] <Asher256> Hobbsee, anyway, thanks a lot ^_^
[06:41] <sque> I destroyed my xorg.conf. How can I get a correct initial xorg.conf again?
[06:41] <Asher256> Hobbsee, i'm going to post this bug un launchpad..
[06:41] <cwillu> sque: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should do the trick
[06:41] <cwillu> just take the defaults for everything
[06:41] <sque> axa!
[06:41] <sque> I tried it but it was too confusing :p
[06:41] <sque> so i'll just select the default
[06:41] <sque> ;)
[06:41] <sque> ty
[07:37] <ironmatar> i know your all hard at work on gutsy   i seem to be haveing a real issue with fiesty though   i just installed the alt iso once agian  and the sigkill and reboot worked finnaly  but i think my issue that keeps cropping up is related to one of 117 update packages  as every time iv run those  afterwords my systm worn boot at all
[07:38] <ironmatar> or i get the litle loading icon but ubntu never finisheds startup
[07:39] <Carroarmato0> Hi, I'm looking for a way to configure compiz in Gutsy... I can't find the compizconfig package
[07:39] <SeveredCross> When you get to the grub menu, press e to edit the kernel's boot lines. edit the 2nd line (the one with all the kernel options) to say nosplash verbose instead of splash quiet.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> Then find the error message.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> And come back.
[07:40] <ironmatar> pardon was that for me?
[07:44] <SeveredCross> Yes.
[07:47] <ironmatar> ok
[07:54] <ironmatar> SeveredCross:  should i edit that before doing the updates?
[07:54] <SeveredCross> No, after.
[07:55] <SeveredCross> After you reboot post-update.
[07:55] <ironmatar> ok
[08:01] <mamefan> Is there a package that contains the 3d, and screensaver compiz plugins for gutsy?  It looks like the ones I was using are gone (*-unsupported and *-unofficial)
[08:16] <gnomefreak> mamefan: try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[08:16] <ironmatar> and just to make shure i understand  edit both -15 and -16 or just the new -16 image?
[08:17] <crdlb> mamefan, no
[08:18] <crdlb> as -unsupported is well...unsupported :P, it won't be in gutsy
[08:18] <crdlb> and unofficial is just some package trevinho invented for random plugins that are completely unmaintained
[08:38] <mssnlayam> I get the following error (Problematic frame: ... gtk_tooltips_set_tip+0x1dc) repeatedly with eclipse (Java IDE), looks like there is some problem with the gtk libraries  http://dpaste.com/18046/ has the entire log
[08:39] <ironmatar> SeveredCross:  i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[08:45] <ironmatar> i actually thought i had gotten bast that blasted thing somehow logged in and everthing but it kept rebooting after a few moments
[09:00] <mssnlayam> I get the following error (Problematic frame: ... gtk_tooltips_set_tip+0x1dc) repeatedly with eclipse (Java IDE), looks like there is some problem with the gtk libraries  http://dpaste.com/18046/ has the entire log
[09:02] <ScislaC> am I the only person still having keyring issues?
[09:03] <ScislaC> I have a nice new default.keyring in ~/.gnome2/keyrings even
[09:03] <ironmatar> i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[09:03] <ironmatar> thts my current problem
[09:18] <michiel> Hi everybody
[09:26] <rexy> o/ michiel
[09:26] <ironmatar> o/
[09:26] <ironmatar>  any help for this i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[09:35] <michiel> Hello
[09:36] <michiel> Hmm, still haven't been able to un-explode my Gutsy
[09:41] <rexy> well i managed to break some stuff, but most stuff still works
[09:41] <rexy> though i'm quite sure the laptop will work much better once i put the power inverter for the lcd back in
[09:43] <mrtimdog> Hi, has anyone else looked for the jack plugin in the libasound2-plugins package and wondered where it was?
[09:44] <michiel> rexy: you don't happen to know anything about un-exploding the "extra desktop effects" after you find your X server no longer starting up?
[09:51] <rexy> i have no idea where ubuntu puts that particular config file michiel
[09:51] <rexy> it's in your home directory
[09:59] <anon32> ...apparently Ubuntu+2 is going to be "Hardy Heron"? Aside from the fact that the letter 'H' has already been used, that one sounds even worse than Feisty Fawn did.
[10:31] <mon^rch> what happens when they reach the end of the alphabet?
[10:32] <mon^rch> a?
[10:38] <ggilbert> mon^rch:  I don't think it's been decided yet. There's still 9 years to sort it out though. :)
[10:38] <mon^rch> :D
[10:39] <mon^rch> hic
[10:40] <theine> hi, can one actually change the number of workspaces in gutsy?
[10:40] <theine> under gnome that is
[10:45] <mon^rch> in compiz-config settings manager you can make it as big as you want... under general options...
[10:47] <shirish> !winzip
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winzip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <shirish> !info unzip
[10:48] <ubotu> unzip: De-archiver for .zip files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.52-10ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[10:49] <shirish> guys does somebody which would be the right tool to unzip ipw6591a.zip ipw6591b.zip till ipw6591h.zip
[10:56] <mssnlayam> My fonts look bad after upgrading to Gusty. How do I check if everything is in order?
[11:00] <pwnguin> how is it that ogm is so poorly supported by gstreamer / mplayer?
[11:04] <mon^rch> i had to change all my fonts to 8...
[11:05] <SeveredCross> That's what it is--everything's set too damn big.
[11:05] <SeveredCross> Is it 10 or 12 by default?
[11:05] <SeveredCross> 12, because i'm at sans 10
[11:06] <mssnlayam> what is the default ubuntu configuration?
[11:06] <SeveredCross> Sans 10 I believe.
[11:06] <SeveredCross> I usually change to Serif 10, because I'm weird and prefer serifed fonts.
[11:06] <mssnlayam> is there some way to look at relevant config files and check that my settings match what others have got?
[11:06] <DanaG> I usually use the DejaVu fonts.
[11:06] <SeveredCross> System --> Preferences --> Appearance
[11:06] <DanaG> I wonder why those aren't default.
[11:06] <voidmage> what's the new sync feature in kontact and how can I use it?
[11:23] <malnilion> When I rightclick and tell ask Ubuntu to open a file (let's say a video) with a certain program, it does not even attempt to open the program and play the video.  Anybody know how to fix that?
[12:21] <anon32> gah, updates without descriptions, wtf
[12:44] <Scorpaen> my kdm broke during an update i think. how do i fix it?
[12:45] <Scorpaen> nvidia module loads, then i get a pale yellow screen
[12:45] <anon32> depends, how is it broken?
[12:45] <Scorpaen> can't even kill x
[12:45] <Scorpaen> i'm booted in recovery mode now
[12:45] <Scorpaen> using irssi
[12:45] <anon32> what does Xorg.0.log say?
[12:46] <anon32> /var/log/Xorg.0.log, look for errors
[12:46] <Scorpaen> let's see if i can open another console and look. thanks. brb
[12:46] <Scorpaen> nope. can't open another one
[12:46] <anon32> hmm
[12:46] <Scorpaen> hmmmmm
[12:46] <anon32> !screen
[12:46] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:46] <anon32> very useful when you're stuck on a consolke
[12:46] <anon32> console*
[12:46] <Scorpaen> heheh
[12:47] <Scorpaen> i know an update busted my system. is there a way to downgrade xorg or kdm?
[12:47] <anon32> apt-get install package=version number
[12:47] <Scorpaen> alright
[12:47] <anon32> make sure that if it's a multi-part package, you add each part to the command
[12:47] <Scorpaen> so what's the working version of kdm pleaes?
[12:47] <Scorpaen> uh oh. i did 128 updates
[12:48] <Scorpaen> i could be in trouble
[12:48] <anon32> hmm
[12:48] <Scorpaen> and i have school work to do before work tonight
[12:48] <anon32> got a live CD
[12:48] <anon32> ?
[12:48] <Scorpaen> yeap
[12:48] <Scorpaen> gutsy alpha3
[12:48] <anon32> urgh :-\
[12:49] <Scorpaen> that didn't sound good
[12:49] <Scorpaen> heh
[12:50] <Scorpaen> i survived Gentoo desktop for 3 years.. i know i can fix this
[12:50] <Scorpaen> somehow.
[12:50] <Scorpaen> lol
[12:50] <Scorpaen> i got tired of compiling KDE
[12:51] <Scorpaen> in hindsight, i work and go to school and shouldn't be using a testing distro
[12:51] <Scorpaen> but we all know hindsight is 20/20
[12:51] <Scorpaen> :)
[12:53] <Scorpaen> ok. i'm going to go check out xorg logs
[12:53] <Scorpaen> i might be bakc
[12:53] <Scorpaen> bye now
[12:55] <Artimus> Is there a way I can unsubscribe from an ubuntu mailing list through email?  The web frontend won't unsubscribe me.  I'm getting too much email from gutsy-changes and would like them to stop...
[12:58] <Scorpaen> ok. xorg is fine. it's kdm that's broken
[12:59] <Scorpaen> 'stack smashing attempt'
[01:00] <Stormx2> PHP-CLI appears to be broken. I am receiving "Illegal instruction (core dumped)", can anyone else confirm?
[01:00] <Scorpaen> kdm fix anyone?
[01:02] <Scorpaen> am i the only person whose kdm broke today?