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saispo | hi cjwatson | 11:27 |
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JD | cjwatson: you make me sad :P | 03:14 |
JD | *goes back to reading bug* | 03:14 |
saispo | cjwatson: why isolinux is not synced on debian for gutsy ? | 03:15 |
JD | cjwatson: I think that one's going to be an forwarded to upstream | 03:16 |
cjwatson | JD: good luck ... | 03:19 |
JD | :) | 03:19 |
cjwatson | saispo: because getting gfxboot working again after merging 3.36 took me several days of staring very hard at x86 assembly code. I have precisely no desire to do that again before gutsy | 03:20 |
saispo | ok | 03:20 |
saispo | because i have no gfxboot with gutsy isolinux | 03:20 |
saispo | but work with feisty isolinux... | 03:21 |
cjwatson | works for us. make sure you have upgraded your gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu as well. | 03:21 |
cjwatson | they need to be in sync as several formats changed incompatibly | 03:21 |
saispo | i have the latest gfxboot for feisty yes | 03:21 |
cjwatson | GUTSY | 03:21 |
cjwatson | not feisty | 03:21 |
saispo | yes | 03:21 |
saispo | excuse me | 03:21 |
cjwatson | I think you must have made a mistake somewhere around there then ... | 03:22 |
cjwatson | or else it's a bug in the new code | 03:22 |
saispo | the cd is generated well, but when i boot on | 03:22 |
saispo | i just have | 03:22 |
saispo | boot: | 03:22 |
saispo | and i must press enter and the installation begin, but no gfx, and no menu | 03:22 |
cjwatson | it is entirely possible for the CD to be generated properly with out-of-sync versions of syslinux, gfxboot, and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu; the fact that it was generated properly proves nothing, I'm afraid | 03:23 |
cjwatson | we had that problem for quite some time in gutsy | 03:23 |
cjwatson | if that is not your problem, I do not know what it is | 03:23 |
saispo | will try... work well for me with dapper, edgy, feisty but not gutsy | 03:24 |
saispo | cjwatson: ok, i will say you the result of my test | 03:24 |
saispo | cjwatson: i add gfxboot, syslinux, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu on my custom seeds and it work... | 03:42 |
saispo | but why germinate don't grab it or something else, don't know | 03:43 |
cjwatson | glad it worked. we don't seed it ourselves | 03:44 |
cjwatson | (except for sticking gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu in supported) | 03:44 |
saispo | in my STRUCTURE file i have not supported in the list of my seeds | 03:46 |
saispo | maybe this | 03:46 |
saispo | ? | 03:46 |
saispo | thanks for your advice, i will inspect this... | 03:46 |
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xivulon | evand, I noticed that casper/scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed interprets paths passed via preseed/file as relative to /root (i.e. squashfs), is that the intended behaviour? | 04:26 |
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cjwatson | hmm, sort of | 04:29 |
cjwatson | actually, yes, it is. is there a problem with that? | 04:30 |
cjwatson | /root seemed like an implementation detail that shouldn't be exposed | 04:30 |
xivulon | cjwatson, not a problem, I was expecting the preseed paths to be absolute (so that you can pass a preseed in the initrd or /cdrom), i'll have to rectify my code for that, no big deal | 04:35 |
cjwatson | /cdrom should be bind-mounted as /root/cdrom by that point | 04:35 |
cjwatson | in fact move-mounted | 04:36 |
cjwatson | cf. casper/scripts/casper-bottom/05mountpoints | 04:36 |
xivulon | hence /cdrom/* paths would still work... got it | 04:37 |
cjwatson | I think initrd preseeding is better done by hardwiring code to load /preseed.cfg if it exists, like d-i does | 04:38 |
cjwatson | no need to make that configurable with preseed/file | 04:38 |
cjwatson | I'll do that now. Won't help with locale or keyboard configuration at present though (nor will preseed/file) - those still need to be passed on the command line | 04:40 |
xivulon | how does load/preseed.cfg work exactly? where do I find the relevant code? | 04:40 |
cjwatson | preseed/debian-installer-startup.d/S35initrd-preseed | 04:41 |
xivulon | what my find_preseed script does at the moment, it finds a preseed file on HD (scanning all block devs) and copies it on another location (specified in preseed/file) | 04:41 |
cjwatson | but there's not much to say; if /preseed.cfg exists in the initrd, it loads it | 04:41 |
xivulon | sure, I was asking about initrd preseed to evand | 04:42 |
xivulon | he mentioned that it was not implemented in ubiquity and suggested to use preseed/file | 04:42 |
cjwatson | right, I understand your problem that it needs to go on a disk | 04:42 |
cjwatson | let me get some coffee and think about it | 04:43 |
xivulon | originally find_preseed would copy the preseed file onto / (or should it be /root???) | 04:43 |
cjwatson | / is fine | 04:43 |
cjwatson | well, if it lands in /preseed.cfg and is done before 24preseed | 04:44 |
xivulon | yep that's handled by 07find_preseed http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=07find_preseed-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-6 | 04:44 |
xivulon | You'd need to edit line 24 and remove lines 30-35 | 04:45 |
cjwatson | ok, if that just copies it to /preseed.cfg in the initrd, all's good | 04:45 |
cjwatson | I'll upload casper now to make that work | 04:45 |
cjwatson | CR/LF is accepted fine, as I said | 04:46 |
xivulon | great | 04:46 |
cjwatson | I just changed partman-auto-loop to bail out if any of the specified image paths already existe | 04:46 |
cjwatson | -e | 04:46 |
cjwatson | should help with one of your other comment blocks | 04:46 |
xivulon | yes | 04:46 |
xivulon | the check can also be performed within check_loopinstall_folder always in 07find_preseed #76 | 04:47 |
cjwatson | up to you, just seemed neat to put it with the partman stuff | 04:48 |
xivulon | the advantage of having it in partman is that it will be checked even when you do not use HD preseeding | 04:48 |
cjwatson | probably no harm in it being in both places if you like | 04:49 |
xivulon | whatever you prefer, we can maybe factor out the checks used by partman so that I use the same routine | 04:50 |
cjwatson | I doubt that's feasible unfortunately | 04:51 |
xivulon | n.p. | 04:51 |
cjwatson | the hard bit is picking apart the preseeding to find the image paths, and then the rest is debconf error handling which you probably can't use | 04:51 |
xivulon | lupin-helpers can be merged with casper-helpers | 04:52 |
xivulon | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=lupinhelpers-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-5 | 04:52 |
xivulon | Last bit required for stand-alone installer is find_iso http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=20find_iso-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-7 | 04:54 |
cjwatson | (coffee has got more urgent. excuse me) | 04:54 |
xivulon | when you are back: re image-paths in preseed, I actually do the reverse in find_preseed>fix_preseeed: | 04:56 |
xivulon | since in my case preseed is generated from within windows, and linux devices are unknown, I have a file pattern within the preseed file which is used to discover the actual linux device | 04:57 |
xivulon | The preseed is then passed through sed to set the appropriate device | 04:57 |
xivulon | All this to say that image-paths are known in my case, since part of the preseed file must be generated/edited within find_preseed | 04:58 |
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cjwatson | I think it makes most sense for lupin-helpers to remain separate, since it's really just there for the lupin scripts | 05:03 |
cjwatson | could we move lupin under ~ubuntu-installer so that we can commit to it directly? I can add you to the ubuntu-installer team (you applied a while back) | 05:04 |
xivulon | Sure, I'd be glad, but I can only commit when I am at home | 05:05 |
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cjwatson | xivulon: are you set up to be able to do mail filtering? the ubuntu-installer team gets all ubiquity bugs, so the volume can be quite high there, and I don't like to add people without checking that they're prepared for that | 05:05 |
cjwatson | at home> understood | 05:05 |
cjwatson | just that it would let me release packages for you :-) | 05:06 |
xivulon | of course | 05:06 |
xivulon | ;P | 05:06 |
cjwatson | (we want this in main, so ...) | 05:06 |
xivulon | re filtering, I use gmail, which should be fine | 05:06 |
cjwatson | ok, approved then | 05:07 |
xivulon | thanks | 05:07 |
cjwatson | I suggest you filter anything with X-Launchpad-Bug: | 05:07 |
cjwatson | shall I push ~ago/lupin/gutsy to ~ubuntu-installer/lupin/gutsy then? | 05:07 |
xivulon | Sounds good to me | 05:08 |
cjwatson | you can then just do 'bzr bind bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/gutsy' to switch over to that | 05:08 |
xivulon | line 24 and remove lines 30-35 | 05:08 |
cjwatson | mkay | 05:08 |
xivulon | As mentioned to do initrd preseed, you need to remove line 24 and remove lines 30-35 in find_preseed | 05:09 |
xivulon | sorry I mean you need to EDIT line 24 and remove lines 30-35 | 05:09 |
cjwatson | right, I'll prod that and turn it into a package | 05:09 |
cjwatson | I assume you're OK for this to be packaged as 'lupin' in Ubuntu? | 05:09 |
cjwatson | just like to confirm these things :) | 05:10 |
xivulon | line 24 and remove lines 30-35 | 05:10 |
cjwatson | I understand, you can stop saying that now ;-) | 05:10 |
xivulon | stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus | 05:10 |
cjwatson | anyone else on the lupin team is welcome to membership of ubuntu-installer if they jump on here and confirm mail filtering | 05:11 |
cjwatson | heh, my Latin isn't what it used to be, I had to look that up | 05:12 |
xivulon | I think geza kovacs would be glad to take part, but I do not think he is reading this at this point, it would be better to send him an email (I can do that) | 05:12 |
cjwatson | well put | 05:12 |
cjwatson | 30-35> did you mean 33-38? I don't see why you'd want to remove file= support but not preseed/file= | 05:15 |
xivulon | yep | 05:16 |
cjwatson | mkdir -p "${PRESEED}" | 05:17 |
cjwatson | "${PRESEED%/*}" I suspect that should be | 05:17 |
xivulon | I forwarded your offer to the other wubi devs: geza, ecology (NSIS interface), hampusW (downloader). I asked them to send you an email directly if interested, hope you do not mind | 05:18 |
cjwatson | no problem | 05:19 |
cjwatson | I'm conscious I'm late and am keen to get this in place for gutsy | 05:19 |
xivulon | I think the backend is almost there, we should start also thinking about the windows GUI... | 05:20 |
cjwatson | indeed | 05:20 |
evand | Is there anything particularly wrong with the current one, or did we decide to ask the questions in ubiquity and I just forgot? | 05:23 |
cjwatson | it needs to land on the CDs ... | 05:24 |
cjwatson | we didn't decide to ask the questions in ubiquity AFAIK | 05:24 |
cjwatson | xivulon: suitable Maintainer address for lupin? | 05:24 |
evand | ahh, indeed | 05:25 |
xivulon | cjwatson I can maintain lupin code, there is not much left anyway | 05:28 |
cjwatson | sure, I just need an address to put in the control file | 05:28 |
cjwatson | agostino.russo@gmail.com? | 05:29 |
xivulon | evand,cjwatson, re interface, you can see the current one in: http://wubi-installer.org/screenshots.php | 05:29 |
xivulon | cjwatson yes, that's the email | 05:29 |
xivulon | as you see there are 6 questions. | 05:29 |
xivulon | username/password: do we keep it in the windows frontend or move it to ubiquity? | 05:30 |
cjwatson | windows | 05:30 |
evand | should the windows frontend grab that list of reserved users out of the iso then? | 05:31 |
xivulon | desktop environment: my understanding is that the field will be hidden when we launch from CD | 05:31 |
cjwatson | the duplication will be a pain but it's not worth the UI awfulness to avoid it | 05:31 |
cjwatson | evand: we might have to figure out some build magic | 05:31 |
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evand | ok | 05:31 |
cjwatson | like build-depending on user-setup and grabbing the file from there or something | 05:31 |
cjwatson | but no rush | 05:31 |
cjwatson | xivulon: licence for lupin? | 05:32 |
xivulon | Anything you wish to change in current interface other than branding? | 05:32 |
xivulon | gplv2 | 05:32 |
cjwatson | honestly right now I just want it in place | 05:32 |
cjwatson | thanks | 05:32 |
xivulon | do you prefer gplv3? | 05:32 |
cjwatson | I don't care | 05:33 |
cjwatson | v2 or later maybe? | 05:33 |
cjwatson | but obviously up to you | 05:33 |
xivulon | ok | 05:33 |
cjwatson | xivulon: confirm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37/ ? | 05:34 |
xivulon | Sounds good to me | 05:35 |
xivulon | cjwatson, one think I thought should mention is that find_iso will mount the device hosting the iso file (/isodevice), not sure if that affects other casper scrpits that scan devices | 05:37 |
cjwatson | something might want to move-mount that into /root, not sure | 05:38 |
cjwatson | maybe not | 05:38 |
cjwatson | probably won't be a problem, but if it is it should be easy to solve | 05:38 |
xivulon | I use the LIVEMEDIA trick to have the ISO mounted on /cdrom thus using existing casper code | 05:40 |
cjwatson | I've committed initial packaging | 05:41 |
xivulon | Thanks | 05:41 |
cjwatson | wouldn't it be better to just mount it on /cdrom directly | 05:41 |
cjwatson | ? | 05:41 |
cjwatson | LIVEMEDIA is a bit of a fuckup perpetuated by Debian | 05:41 |
cjwatson | in fact you have to use /cdrom otherwise ubiquity will get confused | 05:41 |
xivulon | You mentioned that, | 05:42 |
xivulon | But the advantage of using LIVEMEDIA is that I do not have to override casper/scripts/casper | 05:42 |
cjwatson | oh, wait a sec, LIVEMEDIA isn't what I thought it was | 05:42 |
xivulon | I just set LIVEMEDIA=/path/to/HD/ISO/file | 05:42 |
cjwatson | so the /isodevice mount is purely internal to lupin? | 05:43 |
xivulon | Then there is some code in casper that checks that before looking for CD-roms | 05:43 |
cjwatson | yeah | 05:43 |
cjwatson | I was thinking of the /live_media mount that existed in casper at one point until we ripped it out again | 05:43 |
cjwatson | LIVEMEDIA looks fine | 05:43 |
xivulon | good | 05:44 |
cjwatson | I haven't packaged the xinit-ubiquity stuff - I have an untested diff sitting in my ubiquity tree that merges that into ubiquity | 05:44 |
xivulon | I haven't tested xinit-ubiquity yet | 05:44 |
cjwatson | (which I'd never have got round to if you hadn't done the first version, so much appreciated) | 05:44 |
xivulon | Also we now need initrd preseeding in ubiqity! | 05:44 |
cjwatson | err. why? | 05:44 |
cjwatson | ubiquity doesn't do any preseeding | 05:45 |
xivulon | I mean in the livecd initrd | 05:45 |
xivulon | casper | 05:45 |
cjwatson | it just processes stuff set by casper | 05:45 |
cjwatson | oh, I already uploaded casper 1.98 to do that | 05:45 |
xivulon | casper/casper-bottome/24preseed -> check for /preseed.cfg | 05:45 |
cjwatson | update :-) | 05:45 |
xivulon | you are quick | 05:46 |
cjwatson | it'll take a short while to build and stuff, but it's in the queue | 05:46 |
xivulon | did you work on sysctl by any chance? | 05:48 |
xivulon | Also on disabling suspend/hibernation, last time you mentioned acpi-support, but the issue is that we need to remove the suspend/hibernate buttons from gnome/kde dialogs and to my knwledge (admittedly very limited) that is not achieved via acpi-support but via policy commands | 05:50 |
cjwatson | sysctl> not yet :-( | 05:53 |
xivulon | I may try tonight | 05:53 |
cjwatson | we could just nobble powermanagement-interface | 05:53 |
cjwatson | that would be OK | 05:53 |
cjwatson | and probably a hell of a lot easier | 05:54 |
xivulon | looking at it | 05:58 |
xivulon | I notice that /usr/sbin/pmi > query (capabilities) will return the value of /etc/default/acpi-support:ACPI_SUSPEND/ACPI_HIBERNATE | 06:02 |
xivulon | In my naive world, gnome and kde should query pmi for capabilities before displaying suspend/hibernate buttons, hence by editing /etc/default/acpi-support you should be able to hide the buttons | 06:03 |
xivulon | Last time I tried it though, it did not quite work like that... | 06:04 |
cjwatson | they certainly used to query it | 06:10 |
cjwatson | I was thinking of editing the pmi script | 06:10 |
cjwatson | should be trivial | 06:10 |
xivulon | Do you mean pmi query and pmi capability? As mentioned, last time I tried, whatever value is returned there, the gnome suspend/hibernate buttons are still displayed | 06:15 |
xivulon | But maybe I did something wrong. | 06:16 |
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cjwatson | gnome-session? | 06:16 |
xivulon | cjwatson, don't take my word for it, have a go (should be sufficient to edit /etc/default/acpi-support). | 06:18 |
cjwatson | tricky on powerpc ;-) but yes | 06:18 |
cjwatson | I'm reading the source instead | 06:18 |
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xivulon | The only way I found to disable those buttons was via gnome policies, via gconftool-2 --set --type bool /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_hibernate false | 06:20 |
xivulon | I'll give it another go to the pmi approach tonight, as mentioned I'd expect gnome to check pmi capabilities at startup. | 06:21 |
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cjwatson | evand: not required for gutsy | 06:23 |
evand | s/whatever/what/ | 06:23 |
cjwatson | (it's, uh, a top-down thing ...) | 06:24 |
evand | did he ever get back to you on what he wanted, or is it still a matter of other pieces coming together first? | 06:24 |
cjwatson | I think I understand what's wanted, but word is it is not urgent and there are more important things to do | 06:27 |
cjwatson | (AIUI the plan is jabber) | 06:27 |
evand | ah, indeed | 06:27 |
xivulon | cjwatson, looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/47303 | 06:27 |
evand | oh, I thought it was jabber + openid | 06:27 |
xivulon | seems like can_suspend is set in postinst and not at gnome startup | 06:28 |
cjwatson | is that relevant though? I thought this stuff was implemented by gnome-session and gdm | 06:29 |
cjwatson | oh, I'm wrong, gnome-session queries gpm | 06:34 |
cjwatson | you are in a twisty maze of packages, all subtly different | 06:34 |
xivulon | and I didn't dip into kde yet... | 06:34 |
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xivulon | evand, can we have an m-a "light-settings" option in m-a as discussed some time ago'? | 06:49 |
xivulon | light-settings=all settings that do not involve large files. E.g. contacts yes, emails no, desktop background yes, myimages no... | 06:49 |
evand | hrmm, sure | 06:51 |
xivulon | AIM Triton, Internet Explorer, Yahoo, MSN, Opera, Firefox, Wallpaper, User Picture, Outlook Express, Gaim | 06:52 |
xivulon | ...for instance | 06:52 |
evand | indeed, nothing that requires copying large amounts of data around | 06:52 |
xivulon | yeah, that is a good default for wubi. I do not see why people should avoid their bookmarks and contacts, but I can understand why they may want to skip their emails or music collection | 06:53 |
evand | in the meantime you can always preseed those options. m-a wont fail if it can't find something. | 06:53 |
evand | err, it wont cause the d-i component to fail, that is | 06:53 |
xivulon | I am alreading doing that | 06:53 |
xivulon | The ones I preseed are the ones you see above | 06:54 |
evand | ah, indeed | 06:54 |
cjwatson | xivulon: ok, I've fixed hal to honour pmi; will upload that shortly | 07:21 |
xivulon | that's great | 07:28 |
xivulon | cjwatson, evand, if you did not notice the grub4dos devs have made the required changes, so relative paths in menu.lst are now supported | 07:28 |
cjwatson | I got your mail about that | 07:28 |
xivulon | All is required on your side is to set menu.lst to: #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ | 07:29 |
cjwatson | "grep -q ' /host fuse' /proc/mounts" is a sufficient test to stick in pmi, right? | 07:30 |
cjwatson | if that matches, then disallow suspend and hibernate | 07:30 |
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xivulon | hibernate I would suspend if swap is on a file (if I understood that correctly), suspend if / is mounted via fuse | 07:31 |
cjwatson | so if (swap is on file); then (do not hibernate)? | 07:33 |
xivulon | So is my understanding | 07:33 |
xivulon | E.g. I might loopmount on top of ext3. In this case suspend should work (no fuse) but hibernation will not. | 07:34 |
xivulon | A more relevant case might be vfat, but I did not specifically test hibernation/suspend in there | 07:34 |
xivulon | Probably better: if fuse is used when mounting / OR swap is on file do not hibernate | 07:36 |
xivulon | if fuse is used when mounting / do not suspend | 07:37 |
cjwatson | swapon -s | tail -n +2 | awk '$2 == "file" { exit 1 }' | 07:37 |
cjwatson | ^-- test for swap on file | 07:37 |
cjwatson | done, powermanagement-interface 0.3.16 | 07:42 |
xivulon | #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ | 07:45 |
cjwatson | yeah, I have to go out now though | 07:45 |
cjwatson | that's your lot for today :-) | 07:45 |
xivulon | typo #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu should read #groot(hdX,Y)/ubuntu/ | 07:46 |
cjwatson | ok | 07:46 |
xivulon | #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ | 07:47 |
xivulon | I have this web chat client that submits messages when I type ctrl+v, apologies | 07:47 |
cjwatson | I did wonder :) | 07:47 |
xivulon | Anyway wanted to say that the path might be /ubuntu/disks or whatever is the folder that contains "boot" as seen from the windows side | 07:49 |
xivulon | so whatever is bindmounted to /boot stripped out of "/host" and "/boot": /host/ubuntu/disks/boot -> groot(hdX,Y)/ubuntu/disks | 07:51 |
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xivulon | evand, I was reading about bulletproof-x | 08:34 |
xivulon | I noticed that not there is a feature whereby you can scan the CD for *inf files | 08:35 |
xivulon | To get monitor refresh rates and such | 08:35 |
xivulon | Thirst thing I though is why not scanning the HD as well? | 08:36 |
xivulon | That would be a nice m-a add-on that may potentially address several X configuration issues | 08:37 |
evand | hrmm, 'tis an interesting idea, but I think the xorg maintainers would treat the inability to grab the right refresh rate as a bug. | 08:41 |
xivulon | I was reading http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/29/ubuntu-xorg-maintainer-demonstrates-bulletproof-x | 08:42 |
evand | hrmmm | 08:42 |
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xivulon | "Unfortunately, it doesn't work to select just any of the generic monitors, so users may find they need to trial-and-error a solution. Fortunately, there is a cool new featureAdd Model which allows users to add a new monitor by using the Windows driver CD" | 08:42 |
xivulon | On m-a side I would simply copy all *.inf files in *\windows into a /etc/wininf folder and have suche inf parser look for that folder | 08:44 |
evand | indeed, I'll have to talk to bryce about it and add it to the todo list. Neat! | 08:44 |
superm1 | evand, were you guys aware that the button for release notes wasn't working? | 09:23 |
superm1 | we were going to publish, and then picked up on that | 09:25 |
evand | arr lame, no I wasn't. I'll look into that now. | 09:25 |
evand | superm1: it appears to be a gtk bug. Still investigating though. | 09:55 |
superm1 | evand, okay well i guess that's good and bad news. | 09:56 |
superm1 | evand, since it probably is affecting a few other pyGTK apps i've written :) | 09:56 |
evand | heh | 09:56 |
evand | yeah, manually constructing a LinkButton in the python console in the LiveCD and on my gutsy system has the same problem of not launching firefox. | 09:59 |
superm1 | live cd being tribe5 shipped with this issue? | 10:02 |
superm1 | or it showed up later | 10:02 |
evand | hrm, lets see | 10:08 |
evand | sometime after tribe 3. I'll narrow it down further in a bit. | 10:17 |
evand | seems to be an issue prior to tribe 5 | 10:40 |
superm1 | is there a gtk bug made for it yet? | 10:44 |
superm1 | that you found | 10:44 |
evand | haven't looked yet | 10:44 |
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