[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> hi all
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> there is big problem because 7.04 (feisty) CD doesn't  start on lots of new laptops. based on Intel santarosa platform
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> look at bug #126653 for example
[02:38] <mantiena-baltix_>  it's interesting, that older and newer Ubuntu versions (see latest comment) , also. it seems, feisty kernels (from Ubuntu 7.04 beta) detects cdrom and starts fine 
[02:40] <mantiena-baltix_> so, it's important regression - I've tried Ubuntu 5.10, 6.06, 7.04 and 7.10 (Gutsy) and only 7.04 (tried both kernels - from aprils release and from updates) doesn't start on santarosa platform-based laptops
[02:41] <mantiena-baltix_> there are several simillar bugs reported already, look for example at bug 126552 
[02:46] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: try booting with all_generic_ide on the kernel command line and see if that helps
[02:46] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: we're two months from releasing gutsy, so it's unlikely we'll devote a lot of time to respinning feisty CD's
[02:47] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: might be best to just use a gutsy tribe CD instead
[02:48] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC: it's not the best solution, problem is not for me, but for lots of users, who get new laptops from computer shops. how I can you help to fix this important regression ?
[02:49] <mantiena-baltix_> there are several computer shops in Lithuania who ships new computers with Ubuntu 7.04 (or Ubuntu 7.04-based local distro) CD
[02:50] <mantiena-baltix_> so, users buy clean computer and get Ubuntu CD, when they tried to boot they get initramfs command line and think, that Ubuntu is crap :(
[02:52] <mantiena-baltix_> so, they have contacted me, asked if I can fix and rebuild Ubuntu 7.04 CD for distributing with new laptops
[02:53] <maks_> news at 11 - old kernel seldomly work with newest hardware
[02:54] <mantiena-baltix_> at bug 126552 there is comment - Chuck Short wrote on 2007-08-06: (permalink)
[02:54] <mantiena-baltix_> I have a patch for this in gutsy which can probably be used as well for 2.6.20
[02:55] <mantiena-baltix_> So, maybe someone from Ubuntu kernel developers could produce patched kernel for testing ?
[03:01] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: have you tried the latest feisty kernel to see if it works?
[03:02] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, yes, I though I already told this ;) Your are talking about 2.6.20-16 from updates repository, right ?
[03:03] <mantiena-baltix_> I didn't found newer kernel in proposed-updates
[03:04] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: You could respin a CD that forces all_generic_ide
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> I think, that this problem must be fixed in updates repository, because lots of people could upgrade older ubuntu versions (for example 6.06 or 6.10) and get not-working CD/DVD drives after upgrading
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> to 7.04
[03:05] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: Basically we are two months from gutsy release, and we are putting all of our efforts into getting it as stable as possible
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, I understand about gutsy, but isn't all_generic_ide only temporary fix ?
[03:06] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: it's enough to get the system working until they can upgrade to gutsy
[03:06] <BenC> from what I understand, it's only needed for the cdrom, not for the harddrive
[03:07] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: if these are santa rosa, most likely they'll still need updated kernel+packages to get intel gfx working anyway, so you'll need a cd with some feisty updates anyway
[03:08] <zul> besides the santa rosa stuff got added in 2.6.22.y i believe
[03:42] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[03:42] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[04:06] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, updated feisty cd isn't a problem, problem is, that there are no working kernel  on santarosa for feisty :(
[04:07] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: unless you add the all_generic_ide work around
[04:07] <BenC> which is quicker and safer than us doing a new kernel+cd build
[04:07] <BenC> by safer I mean less prone to other regressions that we would have to test for
[04:07] <BenC> which is why we can't put a lot of effort into it
[04:10] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: it would take us 3-4 weeks to implement the fix, and test it thoroughly, after which we would have reduced effort in gutsy, and would only be a month away from gutsy release...so the pay-off is not good enough to justify it
[04:56] <mantiena-baltix_> yea, I thought it's a simple fix, because CD/DVD drive is detected on all other Ubuntu kernels, even on Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty" beta kernel (2.6.20-12)
[05:28] <bdmurray> Hello
[05:29] <bdmurray> I was looking at bug 133823 and wondering how the kernel determines what modules to load.
[08:27] <elmo> hmm
[08:27] <elmo> I have a tg3 NIC on my laptop that doesn't appear to work in gutsy
[08:28] <elmo> given how widely deployed tg3 is, is it possible that this NIC isn't supported, or more likely that the laptop's broken?
[08:28] <thom> what are the symptoms?
[08:29] <thom> (JOOI)
[08:29] <thom> just complete not-workingness, or occasional drops?
[08:30] <elmo> not detecting a link on a known good cable/connections
[08:32] <kylem> elmo, which laptop?
[08:32] <elmo> HP nc6320
[08:33] <kylem> laptop of doom.
[08:34] <fabbione> elmo: hw hates you
[08:35] <kylem> elmo, plz file a bug with full lspci -vvnn for that pci device
[08:35] <kylem> elmo, also any of the dmesg from tg3, and ethtool -i
[08:35] <elmo> kylem: ok - unfortunately I blatted window in a rather blase manner before install, so I can't confirm it isn't a HW problem
[08:36] <kylem> i wouldn't imagine it is.
[08:37] <elmo> ok
[08:43] <mjg59> elmo: PXE is still a way of testing
[08:43] <mjg59> (if you're worried)
[08:43] <elmo> good point, I'll try that
[08:44] <kylem> i can see a few commits to tg3 since then that would explain it...
[08:46] <elmo> hmm
[08:46] <elmo> pxe failed
[08:46] <rtg> kylem: I pushed gutsy-lum. Please upload.
[08:46] <elmo> (oh, but that may be a local issue)
[08:48] <kylem> rtg, care to add that poulsbo patch and respin?
[08:48] <rtg> kylem: Can do.
[08:48] <elmo> anyway, I'll assume it's not HW and wait for kyle to fix my network at some point with kernel magic
[08:49] <kylem> hehe
[09:01] <rtg> kylem: Poulsbo patch included.
[09:02] <kylem> thanks dude.
[09:07] <kylem> rtg, uploadedx0red.
[09:15] <rtg> kylem: Should we also upload the kernel since I merged 2.6.22.5 this morning?
[09:18] <kylem> have you testbuilt it on lpia/amd64/i386?
[09:19] <kylem> hmm, it's probably going to be another abi event?
[09:19] <rtg> kylem: generic only so far. It ought not be an ABI event.
[09:21] <kylem> er. nobody re-added the abifiles.
[09:21] <kylem> brb.
[09:57] <tormod> dear kernel-team, bug #114793 makes me cry at night and is currently assigned to you. There has been a debdiff for 2 months but nobody has looked closer at it. What can I do?
[10:30] <BenC> tormod: not sure why we should fix a failure in a package we don't need
[10:31] <BenC> we already build prism drivers
[10:33] <mjg59> kylem: Did l-u-m build for amd64?
[10:33] <mjg59> I have no working sound on an MBP
[10:42] <tormod> benc, it's not so much the driver building, but the rest of the debdiff - needed for network-manager for instance. BTW, the broken shipped drivers got fixed today - thanks Tim!
[10:43] <BenC> tormod: anyone on core-dev can do that upload
[10:43] <BenC> tormod: but we can do it if no one else can
[10:46] <tormod> benc, I don't care who does it :) but it just keeps being reassigned around...
[10:47] <mjg59> kylem: Ah, no, it's just that alsa is *still* broken on the MBP (it seems)
[10:54] <kylem> well, it's identical to what's in gutsy stock
[10:55] <mjg59> Yeah, I can believe that
[10:55] <mjg59> Sigh
[10:55] <mjg59> Why must this be so hard
[10:55] <mjg59> I'll see if I can find a patch to make it work
[10:56] <kylem> does it work in upstream?
[10:56] <mjg59> NFC
[10:56] <mjg59> Which upstream? alsa or kernel?
[11:17] <BenC> you guys need to remember to run updateconfigs every so often
[11:52] <mjg59> kylem: Works with hg alsa-drivers
[11:52] <mjg59> Well, almost - volume is on "front" and "master" does nothing
[11:55] <kylem> heh.
[12:02] <mjg59> But this is better than gutsy, where left speaker is "Center" and right speaker is "LFE" and master and front *both* do nothing
[12:03] <mjg59> And I need to select "Line in as output"
[12:03] <mjg59> So, on average, hg ftw
[12:05] <kylem> yeah.
[12:05] <kylem> can you try -rc4?
[12:05] <kylem> i need to get off my ass and release a linux-vanilla thing in ppa.
[12:09] <mjg59> kylem: 2.6.23-rc4?
[12:09] <kylem> yes.
[12:11] <mjg59> Ok, will do
[12:11] <kylem> thanks very much.