[05:19] <hjmf> @schedule
[05:19] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 29 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 13:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 00:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 19:00: Screencast Team | 19 Sep 20:00: Xubuntu Developers
[06:28] <sbalneav> !schedule
[06:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[06:30] <ogra> sbalneav, lol
[06:30] <ogra> sbalneav, s/\!/\@/
[06:31] <sbalneav> @schedule winnipeg
[06:31] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Winnipeg: 29 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 08:00: Community Council | 07 Sep 19:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 14:00: Screencast Team | 19 Sep 15:00: Xubuntu Developers
[06:31] <sbalneav> Knew it was something.
[06:31] <sbalneav> Time for lunch!!!!
[06:31] <ogra> dinner, but yeah :)
[07:58] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[07:58] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team | 19 Sep 22:00: Xubuntu Developers
[10:02] <LaserJock> are we on?
[10:02] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[10:02] <ogra> HEYA !
[10:02] <RichEd> yep ... ogra will chair
[10:02] <RichEd> speak of the devil :)
[10:02] <stgraber> hi
[10:03] <sbalneav> Hello to all my internet friends
[10:03] <ogra> soo, i prepared a report according to RichEd's structure ...
[10:03] <ogra> les see how that new meeting format goes :)
[10:03] <ogra> Where are we in the development cycle:
[10:03] <ogra>     What was the last deadline ?
[10:03] <ogra>     Item Tribe 5
[10:03] <ogra>     Date August 23rd
[10:03] <ogra> What is the next deadline ?
[10:03] <ogra>     Item Tribe CD 6
[10:03] <ogra>     Date September 6th
[10:04] <ogra> Progress over the last week
[10:04] <ogra>     * lots of ltsp bugfixes
[10:04] <ogra> Items needing to be sorted out for the next deadline
[10:04] <ogra>     * bug 121547
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547
[10:04] <ogra> Issues needing assistance for the next deadline
[10:04] <ogra>     * docs (sbalneav has started here)
[10:04] <ogra> Any Other Items under Artwork
[10:04] <ogra>     * give feedback :)
[10:04] <ogra> Any Other Items under Documentation
[10:04] <ogra>      * new ltsp functionallity needs to be documented /(nbd and friends from my side, ldm from scott)
[10:04] <ogra>      * documentation should get a tech review (i.e. our server documentation recommends 60M only per client i just discovered) before string freeze
[10:04] <ogra> Planned Activities for coming week
[10:04] <ogra>     * main focus for me: fix bug 121547
[10:04] <ogra> everybody cheer for sbalneav .... he moved mountains last week in ltsp
[10:05] <sbalneav> I'm moving the doc mountain now :)
[10:05] <ogra> yeah
[10:05] <ogra> i'm stuck on the CD building mountain :/
[10:05] <ogra> but i'll tackle as many bugs as i can
[10:06] <LaserJock> I'm stuck in a muddy creek at the bottom of the valley
[10:06] <sbalneav> ogra: Don't worry about nbd docs, I'll take what's on the LTSP without NFS page, and expand/add to it, and get it into the handbook.
[10:07] <LaserJock> trying to make it to base camp
[10:07] <sbalneav> Als, I'm topicifying some of the handbook, but I'll talk about that wehn we get to that item in the meeting.
[10:07] <ogra> sbalneav, well, ltsp-update-image has no manpage, wikipages need to get looked over and the new functionallity needs to be described there
[10:08] <ogra> there is more :)
[10:08] <sbalneav> I'll write a manpage.
[10:08] <ogra> gah, that was not the intention ...
[10:08] <sbalneav> I'll handle the handbook, if someone else can do wiki.
[10:08] <LaserJock> well, we should really make a list of what needs to get documented
[10:09] <LaserJock> can we just throw up a quick wiki page?
[10:09] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe
[10:09] <sbalneav> SOMEONE needs to do it, and you've already got a ton of cd, tribe, and other issues.
[10:09] <ogra> we need more blood !!!
[10:10] <sbalneav> You must construct additional pylons.
[10:10] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:10] <ogra> well ...
[10:10] <LaserJock> I guess I should tell the wife it's time to start having kids
[10:10] <sbalneav> spawn more overlords.
[10:10] <LaserJock> so I can turn them into Edubuntu developers
[10:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:10] <ogra> i see that the ML gets more and more traffic
[10:10] <LaserJock> which one?
[10:10] <RichEd> LaserJocklets ?
[10:11] <LaserJock> hmm, that doesn't sound right
[10:11] <ogra> LaserJock, great plan ... they can be devs *and* users :)
[10:11] <RichEd> LaserJocklettes ?
[10:11] <ogra> lol
[10:11] <LaserJock> well, I was wondering about the CMPC
[10:11] <LaserJock> I've got two neices
[10:11] <LaserJock> that are starting to get old enough the might get interested
[10:12] <LaserJock> I think CMPC+gcompris would be a nifty thing
[10:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: how have you found the usability like of the CMPC device ... size ... robustness  etc
[10:12] <LaserJock> well
[10:12] <LaserJock> I like the weight
[10:12] <LaserJock> screen is a little hard on my old eyes
[10:12] <LaserJock> keyboard is a tad small, as is expected
[10:13] <LaserJock> but there's some real issues with Windows on that thing
[10:13] <LaserJock> IMO
[10:13] <ogra> heh
[10:13] <ogra> who would have guessed
[10:13] <LaserJock> I can't install Adobe Acrobat Reader on it
[10:13] <LaserJock> it's got no swap
[10:13] <ogra> how is the speed ?
[10:13] <LaserJock> and I can't seem to get it to make a swapfile
[10:13] <ogra> its got NO L2 CACHE !
[10:13] <LaserJock> I installed pidgin, Firefox, etc.
[10:13] <ogra> thats way worse than no swap
[10:14] <LaserJock> I find it very speedy
[10:14] <LaserJock> the RAM is the only problem
[10:14] <ogra> yeah, windows ...
[10:14] <LaserJock> I've been writing on a book in it even
[10:14] <LaserJock> so I've got FF with a few tabs open and MS Word
[10:14] <LaserJock> I think it's pretty darn nice
[10:14] <LaserJock> the processors seems fine
[10:15] <LaserJock> and when I load it up as a thin client it's rather nice
[10:15] <ogra> yeah
[10:15] <LaserJock> the screen resolution is going to be a big problem though
[10:15] <LaserJock> Windows seems to handle it better than Ubuntu did
[10:15] <ogra> with the apps you mean ?
[10:15] <LaserJock> yes
[10:15] <RichEd> gen 2 will be 9" and not 7"
[10:15] <LaserJock> like Xcaht
[10:15] <LaserJock> I can't reach any of the OK/Cancel buttons in the preferences
[10:16] <LaserJock> the Preference type dialog windows are the worst
[10:16] <ogra> thats for nearly all settings windows the case
[10:16] <ogra> right
[10:16] <LaserJock> something with a scrollbar is generally fine
[10:16] <LaserJock> but the make the darn windows so you can't shrink them
[10:16] <LaserJock> *they
[10:16] <ogra> yup
[10:16] <ogra> will need fixage
[10:16] <LaserJock> but as far as hardware
[10:16] <LaserJock> very nice
[10:17] <LaserJock> I'm going to try to pick up a 2GB SD card for it
[10:17] <LaserJock> and check that out
[10:17] <ogra> will likely be a lot slower than the flash disk i guess
[10:18] <LaserJock> well, I was specifically looking for some faster disks
[10:18] <LaserJock> but yeah
[10:18] <ogra> get an external USB HD :)
[10:18] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if I have money for that
[10:18] <LaserJock> but that's a good idea
[10:19] <ogra> well, you can use it for other stuff as well ... its a great backup thingie ...
[10:19] <ogra> i even do my test installs to one since gutsy started :)
[10:19] <ogra> well, anyway ...
[10:20] <ogra> edubuntu-users has some more traffic since some time imho
[10:20] <LaserJock> ogra: can you post to edubuntu-devel yet?
[10:20] <ogra> seems we get more and more intrested users ... we sould channel that
[10:20] <sbalneav> It's been picking up quite a bit.
[10:20] <ogra> with my other mail address that should work, yes
[10:20] <LaserJock> ogra: excellent
[10:21] <sbalneav> We're actively getting K12LTSP users switching now
[10:21] <LaserJock> I would like to get -devel picked up too
[10:21] <ogra> yeah
[10:21] <LaserJock> it seems like much of -devel is mostly -users related
[10:21] <ogra> i'd like to see eric in boston and hear his plans ...
[10:21] <sbalneav> Problem is, most devel work goes on in #edubuntu or #ltsp
[10:21] <LaserJock> I'll try to use -devel more to spark discussion
[10:21] <ogra> most -devel posts are cross posted to -users
[10:22] <ogra> and get answered on -users then
[10:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yeah, but some people like Gavin and I aren't on IRC much anymore
[10:22] <ogra> s/most/many/
[10:22] <LaserJock> and IRC is really bad when you need to reference
[10:22] <sbalneav> agreed.
[10:22] <LaserJock> I have such a bad memory
[10:22] <LaserJock> it's nice to have an email to go back too
[10:23] <sbalneav> Perhaps, when we solve a problem on IRC, a quick "Here's what we decided in #edubuntu today" mail might help.
[10:23] <sbalneav> I'll try to remember to do this more often.
[10:23] <LaserJock> doesn't hurt
[10:23] <ogra> yeah
[10:23] <sbalneav> Only when I breath.
[10:24] <LaserJock> I feel pretty left out sometimes because of my TZ and real life stuff
[10:24] <LaserJock> I *know* you all are having a blast in #edubuntu ;-)
[10:24] <sbalneav> Yeah, finish up that degree, and get hired by Canonical, would you?
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah yeah
[10:25] <LaserJock> I think I need a bumper sticker that says "I'd rather be pbuilding"
[10:25] <sbalneav> lol
[10:25] <sbalneav> RichEd: We need tshirts that say this for the next UDS.
[10:25] <ogra> thats a cool one !
[10:26] <ogra> we should have that in the ubuntu store :)
[10:26] <RichEd> ogra: they should have a suggestion list for new products
[10:26] <sbalneav> So, what part of the meeting are we on?
[10:26] <LaserJock> my big tasks for gutsy are to 1) help moquist where I can on moodle  2) make sure the addon-enhancements are finished off 3) make sure docs get uploaded, etc.
[10:26] <ogra> sbalneav, well, we only have tech
[10:27] <sbalneav> No doc?
[10:27] <RichEd> yes ...
[10:27] <LaserJock> I can see if I can get a couple MIRs in, but I'm not sure what I'll get too
[10:27] <ogra> sbalneav, the new meeting structure has tech once a week and a "normal" meeting twice a month
[10:27] <ogra> (iirc)
[10:28] <RichEd> well eduntu-user meeting not "normal"
[10:28] <LaserJock> well, we still talk about the technical doc stuff right?
[10:28] <RichEd> *edubuntu
[10:28] <RichEd> where are we now on the agenda you pasted ogra ?
[10:28] <ogra> sbalneav, and i prepare a short tech report like i pasted above and then the meeting is open for tech discussion and questions
[10:28] <RichEd> we need to raise these items first:
[10:29] <RichEd> Any Other Items under Artwork
     * give feedback :)
 Any Other Items under Documentation
[10:29] <ogra> well there are noew images on eh wikiage ... everyone have a look :)
[10:29] <RichEd> for artwork ... see this for samples from our new volunteer
[10:29] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer
[10:29] <RichEd> ogra ... you looked during the week, there are new ones since the last meeting
[10:29] <LaserJock> oh wow
[10:30] <LaserJock> that first one is fantastic
[10:30] <ogra> the first one is perfect
[10:30] <sbalneav> ++ for the first one.
[10:30] <LaserJock> it's got a mature feel to it even, not so kiddie neccesarily
[10:30] <ogra> but the logo is a bit to much in the face in all of them for my taste
[10:30] <stgraber> +1 for the first one
[10:30] <LaserJock> yeah, if you can alpha the logos  a bit
[10:30] <ogra> add your comments on the wiki
[10:30] <LaserJock> so it's more watermarked
[10:31] <sbalneav> 3rd one will be nice for the kiddies.
[10:31] <ogra> so jill can pick them up
[10:31] <LaserJock> the are all quite nice actually
[10:31] <sbalneav> They are.
[10:31] <sbalneav> Include 'em all, says I
[10:31] <ogra> i'll check the space
[10:32] <ogra> i'll try to get some samples in for tribe 6
[10:32] <LaserJock> we could also make a ubuntu-addon-artwork if we got a good collection
[10:32] <LaserJock> I think schools would be interested in having a variety
[10:32] <RichEd> can we all comment on #1 and see if we can get that one good enough for the default ?
[10:32] <ogra> edubuntu you mean ?
[10:32] <sbalneav> Yeah, just put it on the addon cd.
[10:32] <LaserJock> blah, yes
[10:32] <ogra> hey hey
[10:32] <LaserJock> edubuntu-addon-artwork
[10:32] <sbalneav> There's still lots of room on that, yes?
[10:32] <ogra> the addon CD isnt endless
[10:32] <LaserJock> well, yes and no
[10:33] <LaserJock> ogra fills the remaining space with lang packs
[10:33] <LaserJock> which I think are valuable
[10:33] <ogra> (Laser asked for incliding 140M oo.o clipart today)
[10:33] <LaserJock> heah
[10:33] <LaserJock> it was a good idea ;-)
[10:33] <ogra> it is :)
[10:33] <ogra> but the addon CD only has 700M
[10:34] <ogra> and i'm not sure yet what to do with the DVDs
[10:34] <ogra> they are pretty oversized
[10:34] <LaserJock> oh really?
[10:34] <ogra> (and we have no specific seed to adjust anything on them)
[10:34] <LaserJock> I was actually going to have a look at the DVD
[10:34] <sbalneav> I think shipit should just send 250 gig preinstalled hard drives :)
[10:34] <ogra> edubuntu/dvd: gutsy-dvd-amd64.iso oversized by 650883072 bytes (5351256064)
[10:34] <ogra> edubuntu/dvd: gutsy-dvd-i386.iso oversized by 686366720 bytes (5386739712)
[10:34] <sbalneav> That'd solve the problem.
[10:34] <ogra> heh
[10:34] <LaserJock> can we create a dvd seed?
[10:35] <ogra> sbalneav, that would dissolve canonical pretty quickly as well i guess :)
[10:35] <ogra> LaserJock, i dont think so ...
[10:35] <LaserJock> bah, Mark's loaded ;-)
[10:35] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:35] <LaserJock> we should discuss that then
[10:35] <ogra> i havent taken a deep look at what's on the DVD at all yet ...
[10:35] <LaserJock> it's no good having DVD .isos that nobody can use
[10:36] <ogra> i'll have to do that and plan to do so before tribe 6
[10:36] <LaserJock> the live CDs seem to be making it so far
[10:36] <LaserJock> we'll see what else Ubuntu piles in there before release
[10:36] <LaserJock> they've already gotten rid of the lang packs I think
[10:36] <ogra> they tend to break every now and then
[10:37] <ogra> but we're in good shape atm
[10:37] <ogra> even though the langs we'll be able to ship will be very limited on the liveCD
[10:38] <LaserJock> are we supposed to get any artwork from the artwork team/Canonical?
[10:39] <ogra> well, ken will make the default themes easily changeable wrt color etc ...
[10:39] <ogra> i'll just apply out colorscheme on top of the ubuntu stuff ....
[10:39] <ogra> worked well in feisty
[10:39] <ogra> (see gdm)
[10:39] <ogra> we dont have a desktop splash anymore ...
[10:39] <ogra> thats makes it all a bit easier
[10:40] <ogra> for usplash we'll surely get somwthing adapted from kwwii if he changes ubuntu
[10:40] <ogra> but we wont get any wallpapers or so ...
[10:41] <ogra> so what jill offers is whats likely to end up on the CD
[10:41] <sbalneav> kwii?  Is that pronounced "kwee", or is it the kde version of world war 2?
[10:41] <LaserJock> ok great
[10:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hehe, he gets that a lot
[10:41] <RichEd> kwwii = kenneth w**** wimer II
[10:41] <RichEd> nor sure of the middle name
[10:41] <RichEd> *not
[10:42] <sbalneav> heh
[10:42] <ogra> sbalneav, thats ken, he likes to play with his nintendo :P
[10:42] <ogra> kw wii :)
[10:43] <LaserJock> so
[10:43] <sbalneav> Only buttons
[10:43] <LaserJock> I was wondering what you guys thought about doing an Edubuntu Bug Day
[10:43] <sbalneav> \o/
[10:43] <LaserJock> maybe after Beta is released
[10:43] <ogra> after tribe release would be good i guess
[10:43] <LaserJock> or tribe would be good
[10:43] <ogra> so we catch some before beta
[10:43] <sbalneav> esPECially after all the new ltsp improvements.
[10:43] <ogra> and another one after beta
[10:44] <LaserJock> we'd need to make sure we have the technical backing
[10:44] <LaserJock> so people aren't stranded
[10:44] <ogra> right
[10:44] <LaserJock> but I thought it might be a good way to get some bugs crushed and get some new people perhaps involved
[10:44] <sbalneav> I could take a day off work, hang around the house.
[10:44] <ogra> well, if i'm around i'm in ubuntu-bugs as well anyway
[10:45] <ogra> i usually catch the ltsp bugs faster there than they arrive in my mailbox
[10:45] <ogra> but thats a very limited number anyway
[10:45] <sbalneav> You uploaded the new ltsp stuff yet?
[10:45] <ogra> even the amount raised a lot compared to feisty ... thats a very good sign for more users imho
[10:45] <ogra> nope
[10:45] <ogra> will do right after the meeting
[10:46] <sbalneav> ogra++
[10:46] <LaserJock> I'd like to see what we can do about some edu app bugs too
[10:46] <LaserJock> I try to have a look at them every once in a while
[10:46] <ogra> squeak could need an adopter
[10:46] <LaserJock> and went through all the gcompris ones once
[10:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:46] <sbalneav> yeah, we've got a few of them, and they're not really going down.
[10:46] <ogra> (nobody attending the meeting)
[10:46] <sbalneav> Lot of people using squeak?
[10:46] <LaserJock> I want to grab that other packaging
[10:47] <LaserJock> as I think it's better
[10:47] <ogra> yeah
[10:47] <LaserJock> I just didn't have time :(
[10:47] <sbalneav> What?!?  What'd I do?!? :)
[10:47] <LaserJock> but it might be a fun project for an edu person wanting to get into packaging
[10:47] <ogra> there is also a lot of request for an amd64 version
[10:47] <ogra> sbalneav, nothing
[10:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm not sure about the amd64 stuff
[10:47] <LaserJock> I thought #squeak told me it was 32bit only
[10:48] <ogra> me neither
[10:48] <ogra> right
[10:48] <ogra> the thing is that we by default dont disable possible arches
[10:48] <ogra> the ackages with binary blob content we have there are just available on all arches
[10:48] <LaserJock> a couple of the bug emails seemed to indicate that it might work on other aches
[10:48] <ogra> the vm package isnt since it doesnt build on anything but i386
[10:49] <LaserJock> in any case we should fix it so it only builds on the arches it should
[10:49] <ogra> we could try to enable it for amd64 and listen for feedback
[10:49] <ogra> (if it builds)
[10:50] <LaserJock> yep
[10:50] <LaserJock> ogra: is there any good day of the week for you when it comes to bug crushing?
[10:50] <ogra> wednesday is bad if we have the early meeting
[10:51] <LaserJock> right
[10:51] <LaserJock> what about the thursday after Beta?
[10:52] <LaserJock> Tribe 6 rather
[10:53] <ogra_> grr
[10:53] <ogra_> thursdays i have an internal canonical meeting ... (15:00 UTC fixed)
[10:53] <sbalneav> Hello, evil ogra.
[10:53] <ogra_> beyond that i'm open
[10:53] <LaserJock> Friday?
[10:53] <LaserJock> make it a Fix-it-Friday
[10:53] <sbalneav> ++
[10:54] <ogra> ++
[10:54] <ogra> sounds good
[10:54] <ogra> so the friday after tribe 6 and the friday after beta ?
[10:54] <LaserJock> ok, I'll announce and blog?
[10:54] <ogra> ++
[10:54] <sbalneav> ++
[10:54] <LaserJock> k
[10:55] <ogra> ok, we're hitting the hour ...
[10:55] <sbalneav> is it can be doco tiem now pleez?
[10:55] <LaserJock> do we need to get out?
[10:55] <RichEd> nope ... just trying to keep it to an hour in general
[10:56] <ogra> not really, but i expected the new format to srten the meeting, not to make it loger
[10:56] <sbalneav> ok, gimme 2 minutes, I'll be fast.
[10:56] <RichEd> sbalneav: go ahead
[10:56] <LaserJock> ogra: we were running 2 hrs so it's still shorter ;-)
[10:56] <ogra> LaserJock, 1h for tech
[10:57] <sbalneav> ok, so doco work has begun, and I'm working on documenting all the new stuff.
[10:57] <sbalneav> Part of the whole "topic based help" issue is me breaking up the big "customizing ltsp behaviour" sections into topics
[10:57] <sbalneav> so, ldm
[10:57] <sbalneav> printing
[10:58] <sbalneav> display customization,
[10:58] <sbalneav> etc.
[10:58] <ogra> do you know whats involved to build the edubuntu-docs package ?
[10:58] <sbalneav> No.
[10:58] <sbalneav> I'm just committing to the svn
[10:58] <ogra> hmm, me neither ... LaserJock ?
[10:58] <LaserJock> well
[10:58] <ogra> would be nice if scott couls also build the source :)
[10:59] <LaserJock> I do a svn export and then move some directories around and remove unnecessary ones
[10:59] <LaserJock> hmm, good point
[10:59] <sbalneav> what I was going to ask was, could doco interested people keep an eye over the next week or so (i guess up until the 13th) and send me feedback on how they feel the handbook's progressing?
[10:59] <LaserJock> I can add the necessary documentation for building the source package
[11:00] <ogra> that'd be great
[11:00] <LaserJock> I think we should really be testing the .debs out
[11:00] <LaserJock> and how they look in Gnome Help
[11:00] <ogra> yeah
[11:00] <LaserJock> yelp has changed a lot
[11:00] <ogra> sbalneav, make a call on the ML :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> so I want to make sure things don't end up weird
[11:00] <ogra> so you also get feedback from teh regular user
[11:00] <sbalneav> will do.  Devel or users? or both?
[11:00] <ogra> users
[11:00] <ogra> or both
[11:01] <ogra> i see some gutsy tester on -users ...
[11:01] <ogra> so that makes sense i guess
[11:01] <sbalneav> Also, any good wysiwig xml editors people can recommend?
[11:01] <sbalneav> I'm doing everything in vi at the moment.
[11:02] <sbalneav> I looked at that.  It's not wysiwig.
[11:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:02] <LaserJock> there is *no* wysiwig XML editor
[11:02] <LaserJock> that's been a problem in the doc team
[11:02] <sbalneav> ok
[11:02] <sbalneav> vi it is then.
[11:03] <LaserJock> it create a definite barrier to contribution
[11:03] <ogra> LaserJock, nvu/kompozer ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> not for our docs
[11:03] <ogra> sad
[11:03] <LaserJock> we have so many includes, etc.
[11:03] <LaserJock> most things just choke
[11:04] <sbalneav> ok, well, that's all I had.
[11:04] <ogra> great :)
[11:04] <ogra> any ad-hoc topics ?
[11:04] <SpudDogg> Sorry to butt in here fellas, but is there a reason you are going to use vi?
[11:04] <LaserJock> heh
[11:04] <LaserJock> cause it works
[11:04] <sbalneav> Suggest something else.  I'm all ears.
[11:05] <SpudDogg> what about nano/pico?  too noobish?
[11:05] <ogra> SpudDogg, cause we know it :)
[11:05] <LaserJock> SpudDogg: not noobish, just not as feature full for doc editing
[11:05] <sbalneav> Using vi's like using a steam engine.  Pico would be walking. :)
[11:05] <SpudDogg> i see.  i've been meaning to learn to use vi, but i havent had a reason to yet :)
[11:06] <ogra> SpudDogg, if you want to contribute docs and ant to use nanao for that, feel free, we wont care what you used to create them ;)
[11:06] <LaserJock> exactly
[11:06] <ogra> really, the outcome counts :)
[11:06] <LaserJock> heck, we might even let you use gedit ;p
[11:06] <SpudDogg> i'm too much of a noob to write docs for anyone, lol
[11:06] <ogra> or a secretary if you can afford one ;)
[11:06] <SpudDogg> damn gedit, even I dont use that
[11:06] <sbalneav> ogra++
[11:07] <LaserJock> there are several Ubuntu Documentation people who use gedit
[11:07] <LaserJock> it's not too bad once you get the plugins enabled
[11:07] <ogra> SpudDogg, well, you could read them and ask about stuff thats badly formulated or sounds weird as well ;)
[11:07] <SpudDogg> alright, i'll leave you guys alone...i'll go get a secretary
[11:08] <ogra> no need to produce anything to contribute time ;)
[11:08] <ogra> anyway, lets end this meeting (nless anyone has another topic to discuss)
[11:09] <ogra> speak NOW !
[11:09] <ogra> going once ....
[11:09] <ogra> going twice ....
[11:09] <ogra> you could still speak up ...
[11:09] <ogra> adjourned !
[11:09] <ogra> thanks everybody :)
[11:09] <SpudDogg> welcome
[11:09] <RichEd> thanks ogra ... and all
[11:09] <SpudDogg> ;)
[11:09] <LaserJock> thanks
[11:09] <RichEd> see you on the morrow
[11:10] <ogra> heh
[11:29] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[11:29] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 08:00: Community Council | 07 Sep 19:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 14:00: Screencast Team | 19 Sep 15:00: Xubuntu Developers