[03:14] <asac> hmm what was the name of the hildonized calculator again?
[03:55] <asac> Mithrandir: there?
[03:55] <Mithrandir> asac: I am.
[03:56] <asac> Mithrandir: cool ... do we have a simple packaged application in gutsy that integrates with hildon properly?
[03:56] <asac> e.g. menus are of concern here?
[03:57] <Mithrandir> tasks should be an example.
[03:57] <asac> Mithrandir: whats the package/binary name? 
[03:57] <Mithrandir> tasks
[03:58] <asac> is it hildonized on lpia only ... or everywhere?
[03:58] <Mithrandir> shouldonly be on lpia
[03:58] <Mithrandir> s/d/d /
[03:59] <asac> hmm ok ... so maybe thats the reason ...
[04:01] <asac> Mithrandir: carl told me we have a hildon expert/dev here in channel ... who is that?
[04:02] <Mithrandir> asac: tko, I believe, for instance.
[04:03] <asac> tko: ping :)
[04:09] <asac> Mithrandir: is there a way to just start the hildon-panel?
[04:10] <asac> e.g. DISPLAY=:1 hildon-panel  (doesn't exist unfortunately)
[04:11] <Mithrandir> just the marquee?
[04:11] <Mithrandir> it's in-process of hildon-desktop, iirc
[04:11] <asac> ok let me purge and reinstall hildon-desktop again :)
[04:16] <asac> Mithrandir: hmm i think i am doing something wrong as all looks pretty broken anyway, but anyway ... tasks still has the normal top-level menu here
[04:19] <Mithrandir> I don't have any lpia chroots set up here, and my connectivity isn't the best, so I can't really help you, sorry.
[04:20] <asac> Mithrandir: same for agoliveira ?
[04:20] <asac> you are at sprint, right?
[04:20] <dholbach> asac: yeah
[04:20] <agoliveira> asac: We all are
[04:21] <agoliveira> asac: The task built worked for me locally but I wasn able to test the lpia built yet and right now is kind of hard.
[04:21] <asac> agoliveira: i start matchbox-window-manager + hildon desktop  + tasks ... however tasks still has normal menus
[04:21] <asac> and in lpia chroot all is broken, while the amd64 version of hildon-desktop at least has some items in its panel
[04:22] <asac> agoliveira: so we still don't have any application that is hildonized in gutsy?
[04:22] <Mithrandir> asac: why are you starting matchbox-window-manager by hand?
[04:22] <agoliveira> asac: no and we won't
[04:22] <asac> Mithrandir: because everything else is just broken
[04:22] <agoliveira> asac: All the hildonized applications are going into lpia only.
[04:23] <asac> Mithrandir: if i start-hildon ... for instance
[04:23] <asac> agoliveira: yes thats fine ... but is there any?
[04:23] <agoliveira> should be tasks, contacts-snapshot, dates, cheese and claws (this one didn't make, don  know why yet)
[04:24] <agoliveira> asac: I'm afraid I'll not be able to look at this until later or tomorrow.
[04:24] <asac> agoliveira: dates? no package i can see
[04:25] <agoliveira> asac: Yes, I just checked and dates also didn't make it yet.
[04:25] <asac> ok i install cheese ... my last hope
[04:25] <Mithrandir> asac: uh, no. Use xhost +SI:localuser:root in your normal system, then  DISPLAY=:0 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- /usr/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 1024x600x32 96 -ac with xserver-xephyr installed in the chroot.
[04:25] <Mithrandir> that's the right way to start the UI.
[04:26] <asac> Mithrandir: why isn't that codified somewhere? is that new?
[04:26] <asac> but let me try ;)
[04:26] <Mithrandir> it's been that way for two weeks, and it's been posted to the mailing list.
[04:27] <Mithrandir> the docs aren't updated because nobody has taken the time to do so.
[04:27] <asac> sure
[04:30] <asac> Mithrandir: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-August/thread.html ... what post was that in?
[04:31] <Mithrandir> my bandwidth here is quite limited, it's better if you look yourself.
[04:31] <asac> i can't find it
[04:31] <asac> then nevermind
[04:41] <ian_brasil> Mithrandir: i must have missed this post too.
[04:43] <ian_brasil_> it is this one i think https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-August/000786.html
[04:44] <asac> ian_brasil_: thanks
[04:44] <ian_brasil_> i will update the docs
[04:59] <ian_brasil> Mithrandir: what was the command on the host again?...something like xhost +  localhost:root   ??
[05:03] <asac> ian_brasil: he told me: xhost +SI:localuser:root
[05:03] <asac> ian_brasil: but for me it doesn't work ... i lack some font packages i think
[05:04] <asac> ian_brasil: btw, i had to use xhost +  (not the one above) ... otherwise it couldn't connect
[05:05] <ian_brasil> asac: thx...i will try it out now
[05:05] <asac> ian_brasil: let me know :/
[05:06] <asac> ian_brasil: i am really stuck here atm ;)
[05:07] <ian_brasil> i am getting a connection refused error which is more encouraging
[05:07] <asac> yeah ... try xhost +
[05:12] <ian_brasil> yes, that works but it opens my x session up to the world
[05:12] <asac> ian_brasil: you use a image-creator created chroot?
[05:13] <asac> ian_brasil: have you replaced localuser with your real localuser?
[05:13] <asac> e.g. xhost +SI:ian_brasil:root
[05:14] <ian_brasil> asac: i installed manually following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure
[05:14] <asac> ian_brasil: hmm ok that might work for me as well as my amd64 install works a bit at least
[05:14] <asac> ian_brasil: or do you use lpia architecture?
[05:15] <ian_brasil> no i am not using lpia
[05:15] <asac> ian_brasil: problem is that there are no hildonized apps if not in lpia atm (i just got that info from agoliveira)
[05:16] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: This procedure is a bit outdated and will not give you the lattest pieces and bits. You should use the image creator if possible.
[05:16] <mjg59> Yes, we don't want to package hildonised apps separately
[05:16] <mjg59> Which means they'll only end up in lpia
[05:17] <Hobbsee> agoliveira: were there any other packages that you needed a UVFe for, while i'm at it?
[05:20] <agoliveira> Hobbsee: Sorry but I'm not sure right now. We're a sprint here and I'm a bit disconnected to the applications.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> agoliveira: no problem.  enjoy. 
[05:25] <ian_brasil> if i use  $ xhost +  does the -ac parameter to Xephyr override the world access to the xsession?
[05:25] <mjg59> ian_brasil: No
[05:25] <mjg59> ian_brasil: The -ac to Xephyr allows anything to connect to Xepyhr
[05:25] <rustyl> ian_brasil, when you do the command 'xhost +', you are only changing the access permissions for your current display
[05:52] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: there's a long dependency chain for claws-mail; I've rescored the first item in the list, and we might end up with the rest built later today.
[05:52] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Yes, I saw that a few minutes ago. Thanks.
[06:01] <Mithrandir> Sciri: for the dailies, you might want to look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/mobile-image-runner/
[06:01] <Mithrandir> (bzr repo, so bzr branch $url)
[06:02] <Sciri> OK, great...
[06:20] <ian_brasil> i have xhost access control enabled..i started Xephyr like Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x32 -dpi 96 -ac and i used the start-hildon script ...this works ok 
[06:21] <Mithrandir> it shouldn't, any more
[06:21] <Mithrandir> so if that works, it's a bug. :-P
[06:30] <alek_laptop> Mithrandir, u there?
[06:30] <ian_brasil> like asac on the same setup xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- /usr/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x32 -dpi 96 -ac
[06:30] <ian_brasil>  fails ...complaining about not able to free font path
[06:31] <alek_laptop> mjg59, u there ?
[06:31] <Mithrandir> alek_laptop: I am
[06:31] <mjg59> alek_laptop: Hi
[06:31] <alek_laptop> oh, great!
[06:31] <alek_laptop> I have a reported bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/134626
[06:32] <alek_laptop> but don't know how to change the project to linux-source-2.6.22
[06:32] <mjg59> alek_laptop: Hit the status, and a box will drop down. Type the source package name in there.
[06:33] <alek_laptop> yeah, but it always said no such project ....
[06:33] <mjg59> alek_laptop: Just worked fine for me :)
[06:33] <alek_laptop> and when I searched, only show package named "linux" ...
[06:34] <mjg59> Ah - you need to edit the package, not the project
[06:34] <mjg59> The project is ubuntu
[06:34] <alek_laptop> mjg59, oh, let me try.
[06:36] <alek_laptop> it said the bug was already marked affecting linux-2.6.22-source
[06:38] <mjg59> Yes, I changed it myself when you said it didn't work for you
[06:38] <alek_laptop> mjg59, hoho, thanks a lot.
[07:24] <kwwii> bspencer, kyleN: I talked to Michael (the guy at Nokia working on the hildon-theme-tools)
[07:25] <bspencer> yes
[07:25] <kwwii> they are working on changing a few things and write new documentation for them, I agreed to help with the process
[07:25] <kwwii> so we should get a lot further soon
[07:25] <bspencer> that sounds great
[07:30] <rob_moblin> sodarock_ubuntu, how's it going in boston?
[07:31] <sodarock_ubuntu> rob_moblin: Going good.  No problems.
[07:45] <kyleN> that's great
[07:45] <kyleN> kwwii: Do they have a specification they are working from or are they just going to do what they think is best?
[08:56] <asac> tko: there?
[09:01] <mfrey> Mithrandir: PKGS=hal gnome-keyring-manager gnome-system-tools network-manager-gnome gksu bluez-utils libbluetooth-dev libbluetooth2 bluetooth bluetooth-alsa bluez-btsco bluez
[09:01] <mfrey> -hcidump gnome-bluetooth bluez-gnome python-bluez wireless-tools ppp pppconfig wvdial diald gnome-ppp  libpt-plugins-v4l2  libsdl1.2debian 
[09:01] <Mithrandir> cheers
[09:41] <kwwii> kyleN: as far as I know they are mainly working on a system for themselves...at the time it seems to be the best way to understand what they are doing and why. after that we can change things to fit out needs
[10:04] <tko> asac: sort of
[10:52] <dholbach> hey HappyCamp
[10:52] <sodarock_ubuntu> dholbach: http://berlin.craigslist.org/  Not sure how popular it is there.
[10:52] <dholbach> sodarock_ubuntu: yeah, just got there myself :)
[11:44] <asac> tko: thanks, but I solved my hildon event issues ... for now ;)