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kompozertonyyarusso: ping01:03
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ryanakcaWhat's the very latest I can merge from Debian? The maintainer doesn't seem to want to apply the debdiff I provided untill he fixes a couple other changes...01:13
ryanakcabug 13258701:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13258701:13
ryanakcaIt causes bzflag not to run. At all01:13
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ajmitchdepends if it's a new upstream version01:18
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ryanakcaajmitch: no, same version01:18
ajmitchbut it does need to be fixed, whichever way you go about it01:18
ajmitchyou have up until a few days before release at the *very* latest01:20
ajmitchbut don't think of leaving it that long01:20
ryanakcaso, the cutoff date for merging, after which I'll have to stick it into Ubuntu, and then drop it at the next merge/gutsy+1 ?01:20
ryanakcaso... mid septemberish at the latest seems reasonable?01:20
ajmitchI guess01:21
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StevenKtonyyarusso: Fair enough, leave debian/copyright alone. My other three (four?) points still need to be addressed. :-)01:23
kompozerStevenK: ok for the debian/copyright, but for the other points I have some questions01:26
kompozerStevenK: if the README.Debian is  completely pointless , could we just remove it?01:27
kompozerStevenK: (3) KompoZer's manual page is in the debian dir, what else do we need?01:27
StevenKkompozer: Certainly.01:28
StevenKkompozer: Why isn't the manual page distributed in the .orig tarball is my main point about the manual page in the debian directory.01:29
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kompozerI blatantly copied the way the Firefox package was done01:29
kompozerthat's the only reason why it's in the debian dir01:30
StevenKIs it distributed in the .orig as well?01:30
StevenKIt's something to keep in mind, not a show-stopped.01:31
kompozerI don't think so, Mozilla apps usually don't include man pages AFAIK01:31
StevenKEr, show-stopper.01:31
kompozerabout the patches: (4) kompozer.patch is just a test tool, it's been removed. (5) amd64.patch is already applied, the corresponding line has been deleted. (6) the calls to debhelper programs that were commented out in debian/rules have been deleted as well01:33
StevenKOkay, way cool.01:34
kompozergetting better01:34
StevenKSort out README.Debian, and I think I can rubber stamp it.01:34
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kompozerok, I also need to remove all non-free files from the .orig tarball (asac's request)01:34
kompozerI'm working on this01:35
StevenKkompozer: As upstream, or a repack?01:35
kompozeras you wish01:36
kompozerStevenK: I didn't even know there were some non-free files in the tarball. I've removed them, I check KompoZer still builds without them, then I can make another source tarball with a "dfsg" suffix. Would that be ok?01:42
StevenKkompozer: That's a repack. Absolutely fine.01:42
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ward_is it safe to use a .deb made for 7.10 on 7.04?02:16
ward_Nafallo, can it be safe? or is it just something thats never safe?02:16
ward_yes on the last one?02:17
Kamping_Kaiserit can be, but its unusal02:17
ward_i want to use open movie editor, google said theres a deb for 7.1002:17
ward_someone requested it for 7.04 they closed the request because there's alrleady a 7.10 deb ready for it, so i was wondering if i could use it02:18
Kamping_Kaiserdoubt it, but not really a motu question is it?02:18
ward_i'm not sure02:18
Nafallosounds like backport / jdong02:18
ward_Nafallo, what is baclport /jdong? (software?)02:19
Kamping_Kaiserward_, jdong leads the backport effort (iirc)02:19
ward_Kamping_Kaiser, what channel should i ask this?02:19
Kamping_Kaiserward_, iirc thers a -backports02:19
Kamping_Kaiserbut i know theres a backports list, and they have a page on the wiki describing how to file backport requests02:20
ward_Kamping_Kaiser, aha so what i can do is see if there's a backport available and if not, request it?02:20
Kamping_Kaiserward_, visit packages.ubuntu.com to check02:21
Kamping_Kaiserward_, and if not look it up on irc/wiki02:21
ward_Kamping_Kaiser, ok02:21
ward_Kamping_Kaiser, i'll try02:21
Kamping_Kaiseror email02:21
ward_thanx for the help02:21
ward_damn, none there, then i'll stick with cinelerra :-)02:24
ward_thanx for the help i'm out02:24
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Kamping_Kaiserfair enough02:27
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imbrandonmsg superm1_ ping03:00
ajmitchit could be worse03:01
ajmitchmsg nickerv identify s3cr3t03:02
imbrandonheh true03:02
imbrandonman i hate computers sometimes03:02
ajmitchonly sometimes?03:02
ajmitchyou don't spend nearly enough time with them then03:03
Kamping_Kaiserhi both03:03
imbrandoncat /dev/video0 > ~/blah.mpg works perfect , well atleaste records video from my tv card ( hapauge (sp?) pvr-150 ) but no tv viewer apps work03:03
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imbrandonajmitch: heh03:04
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imbrandonany ideas anyone ( sides google , witch i'm using )03:05
sladenimbrandon: (not knowing what I'm talking about), but is /dev/video0 a firewire DV interface, rather than a Video4Linux one03:10
imbrandonno its a v4l one, its a pci wintv pvr-150 card03:12
imbrandonfrom hapauge (sp?)03:12
imbrandonvlc seems to open it on pvr:// also if that matters03:20
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bddebianHeya gang03:30
bddebianDamn, still no Hobbsee?03:30
ajmitchno, hobbsee has a life as well03:31
bddebianOh, heya ajmitch03:31
bddebianYou can probably help me :-)03:31
ajmitchprobably not03:31
bddebianI can do a pw recover on REVU :-(03:31
Kamping_Kaiserbddebian, hi mate03:32
bddebianHeya Kamping_Kaiser03:32
bddebianErr s/can/cannot/03:32
ajmitchbddebian: ok03:35
bddebianajmitch: Are you still a REVU admin?03:35
bddebianOh heh :-)03:35
ajmitchbecause the account was created but no gpg id is set03:35
ajmitchtell me it now03:35
bddebianYou mean the e-mail for my gpg or my key?03:36
ajmitchgpg id, I said03:36
ajmitchnever mind, I'll look it up03:37
bddebianSorry I'm a little foggy headed today (ear infection)03:38
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ajmitchok, that didn't work at asll03:40
ajmitchprobably because it uses the email address03:40
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bddebianajmitch: No workie?03:44
ajmitchthat's what I said03:45
bddebianAnything you need from me?03:45
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bddebianajmitch: Ah, OK, sorry03:46
sn9imbrandon: use mplayer03:51
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bddebianHoly crap lmms is apig05:00
moquistis it OK for a postinst script to use bash instead of sh?05:04
moquistsh is unhappy with this:05:05
moquistif [ $(wc -l <<<"$o") != 1 ] ; then05:05
moquistI wrote and tested in bash. :(05:05
moquistThat's the first problem. There may be others past this one; I'm not sure. Is it a problem if I use bash?05:06
bddebianIt should be fixable I would think.  Unfortunately I'm no where near helpful in that arena. :-(05:06
moquistSection 10.4 in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html seems to imply that bash is OK...05:06
bddebianFor debian it is, Ubuntu has moved to dash afaik05:06
moquistOh, I'm sure there are 10 ways to do this in sh. But it would be nicer if I can just change the shebang...05:06
moquistShould I ask this in #ubuntu-devel?05:07
moquistShould I not ask this in #ubuntu-devel?05:07
bddebianSomeone here can probably answer, I just don't know for sure, sorry.  You should be able to ask in -devel though.05:08
StevenKmoquist: wc -l <<<"$o" is the same as echo "$o" | wc -l05:13
StevenKmoquist: If it's a trivial one line change to not use a bashism, do that. If the script is full of them, change the shebang line.05:14
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StevenKArgh, the kernel has learnt to speak.05:15
tonyyarusso(...is it honestly called the "shebang line"?)05:15
The-KernelI would like to add an item to the package list for Xubuntu, its a menu icon for the proccess manager05:15
StevenKtonyyarusso: Shebang, hash-bang ... both the same thing05:15
StevenKtonyyarusso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%2905:16
moquistStevenK: right; I've been told in -devel not to use bash. *shrug*05:16
tonyyarussoStevenK: nice05:16
StevenKmoquist: The last time I looked at a package having problems installing due to dash, the diff to remove all of the bashisms was 145 lines. I changed the shebang line and got on with my life. :-)05:20
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bddebianHobbsee: !!05:22
ajmitchyes, that's a Hobbsee05:23
Hobbseeso it seems, anyway05:24
bddebianHobbsee: If you want me to review, can you help me fix my REVU account? :-)05:25
bddebianHmm, would it make more sense for a .desktop and icon to be in a -common package or is that bad form?05:25
Hobbseebddebian: oh, you're not a reviewer?  which address do you use to login?05:25
StevenKIt'll make more sense for the desktop and icon to be in the package that provides the binary so you don't confuse the user.05:25
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bddebianStevenK: Ah, that makes sense.  I was thinking the common would be nice since it was arch independent05:26
Hobbseebddebian: done.  Altering bddebian@comcast.net to level reviewer05:27
bddebianHobbsee: Well that's nice but I can't login because I can't recover my pw ;-)05:27
Hobbseeoh, sigh.05:28
Hobbseebddebian: there's a p/w set here, you should be able to05:28
ajmitchshould & can don't always match up05:29
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ajmitchbut that's no fun05:30
Hobbseeoh darn, this connection really is limited.05:30
Hobbsee(to 56k)05:31
Hobbseetakes a while to rsync an iso from, though05:33
tonyyarussolol bug - getting the login prompt showing on-screen before the boot messages are done.  (feisty)05:35
Kamping_Kaiseri noticed that. irritating as hell.05:37
StevenKSo did I, come to to think of it.05:38
tonyyarussoAny way to fix it?05:39
StevenKHit Enter after the boot finishes and deal?05:39
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khermans_got a new packages, metasploit307:30
khermans_has justin wray come by to try adding it yet?07:30
khermans_bug marked as FIX COMMITED07:30
khermans_if anyone has this info, please contact me07:31
khermans_looking to get metasploit into multiverse for Gutsy, package was made earlier07:31
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RAOFkhermans_: Didn't that have crazy licencing problems?07:47
khermans_RAOF, yeah but its all worked out07:47
RAOFAh, cool.07:48
khermans_RAOF, we found that basiclaly anything can be placed in multiverse if it allows redistribution07:48
RAOFWhat bug is marked as fix committed, incidentally.07:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102212 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Metasploit Framework 3.0 (multiverse)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] 07:49
khermans_so i am wondering when the package will be installable form apt07:49
khermans_i updated to latest Gutsy, apt update, but dont see it07:49
khermans_if you find out, please let me know07:50
khermans_i am damn tired, moving from boston to san francisco, got tons to do tonight and tomorrow07:50
khermans_but i wanted to make sure this was all set since cutoff date is tomorrow07:50
RAOFkhermans_: Aaah, so it's actually on REVU now, presumably.07:51
khermans_the 30th... for multiverse new package07:51
khermans_REVU ?07:51
RAOFkhermans_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12107:52
khermans_i am reading the second hit07:52
khermans_hrmm i dont see it in there...07:53
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khermans_oh ok nm07:53
khermans_it is in there07:53
RAOFkhermans_: It looks like it needs some work.07:56
khermans_RAOF, a few things, but not much07:56
khermans_ the errors from linda are warnings, intentionally we left them in07:57
khermans_lintian warnings07:57
khermans_it is complaining about .svn directories07:57
StevenKSo repack the tarball07:57
khermans_SteveA, no we want the svn entries in the release07:57
RAOFInstalling files to /usr/local is a very bad thing, too.07:58
khermans_due to the nature of the package, it needs security updates, so leaving the .svn for updating is ideal07:58
khermans_RAOF, yeah that needs ot be ficxed07:58
khermans_justin was not supposed to upload a pakcage with /usr/local07:58
StevenKkhermans_: That's *BAD*.07:59
khermans_SteveA, whats bad?07:59
StevenKI'm not SteveA07:59
khermans_StevenK, ..07:59
StevenKDo NOT encourage users to update installed packages using SVN.07:59
khermans_StevenK, but i think you are missing the point07:59
khermans_StevenK, metasploit is a security tool08:00
ScottK2khermans_: I don't imagine he is.08:00
khermans_there will not be a new release for every update08:00
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khermans_StevenK, the point is we could remove .svn, but it would make the package pretty much useless08:00
khermans_6 month old security exploits are too old08:00
StevenKBut there are better ways than using SVN ...08:00
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khermans_StevenK, yes, but not for a package with restrictive licensing08:01
khermans_we cant modify and make an auto-update feature08:01
StevenKWays that don't make baby Jesus cry, for example.08:01
khermans_StevenK, ideally yes, but this is multiverse world08:01
khermans_StevenK, i understand the reasons for why this is bad08:01
khermans_so let me know how you would do it?08:01
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khermans_ScottK2, just means we have less control...08:02
RAOFkhermans_: If the package in useless as shipped, why would we ship it?08:02
ScottK2khermans_: Who is the "we" in that statement?08:02
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khermans_RAOF, its not *useless*, but just old and outdated08:02
StevenKI seriously doubt anyone would advocate that package.08:02
khermans_ScottK, "we" are people modifying the package08:03
khermans_or maintaining it08:03
khermans_StevenK, how can we make it advocated?08:03
khermans_StevenK, what needs to be fixeD?08:03
khermans_we will work with whatever it needs to get there08:04
StevenKBut not using methods that are crack-addled?08:04
khermans_StevenK, crack-addled?08:04
StevenKYes. Updating installed packages using SVN is utter crack.08:04
khermans_StevenK, do you know what metasploit is?08:04
khermans_StevenK, for normal packages i would agree08:04
khermans_lets say its microsoft tuesday, a patch is released08:05
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee08:05
khermans_on wednesday hdm uploads a new exploit for metasploit into svn08:05
Hobbseehi ajmitch08:05
khermans_to make it easy for the user, we need to keep svn around08:05
ajmitchthis sounds excruciatingly bad08:06
khermans_any suggestions please?08:06
khermans_ajmitch, so what is the solution?08:06
ajmitchseparate the package & the data that needs to be updated?08:06
khermans_ajmitch, into what?08:06
khermans_there are many many modules08:06
ajmitchso that you can ship with some old stuff & update to newer crack in a directory under /var/cache/ for example?08:06
ajmitchthat's nice08:07
khermans_ajmitch, well then i guess we cant get metasploit into multiverse08:07
khermans_the license prevents modification08:07
ajmitchthat's a shame08:07
khermans_we already submitted patches to them, and they integrated our changes08:07
khermans_and this is the best we can do08:08
khermans_ajmitch, lots of people would like to see metasploit in ubuntu08:08
ajmitchit sounds like something that's not really intended for a distro release if you must have the very latest & you can't update data separately08:08
ajmitchlots of people would like to see automatix in ubuntu08:08
khermans_ajmitch, automatix sucks08:08
khermans_ajmitch, metasploit does not :-)08:08
ajmitchmy point stands08:08
StevenKAt least we can agree on one point.08:08
khermans_ajmitch, so shall i tell the metasploit guys they suck?08:08
ajmitchthe "lots of people" argument isn't the most convincing :)08:08
ajmitchkhermans_: you can if you really really want08:09
khermans_ajmitch, but this doesnt break your system as automatix does (exclude the /usr/local) problem08:09
RAOFkhermans_: You really, really can't ship the data separately?08:09
ajmitchbut that would be twisting what I said08:09
khermans_RAOF, http://www.metasploit.com/projects/Framework/msf3/download.html?Release=alpha-r308:10
khermans_license is there08:10
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khermans_we cant make modifications to the release08:10
khermans_i went over this license with a bunch of poeple in here a few weeks back, and the consensus was that it could go into multiverse if we didn't modify it08:10
khermans_because MSF allows redistribution08:11
RAOFWhy must everyone write their own bad licence?08:11
khermans_RAOF, i agree08:11
khermans_RAOF, i told hdm about this08:11
khermans_they are making new license for next big release08:11
khermans_shall i point them to something -- they wont do GPL for sure08:12
khermans_RAOF, even if we could ship the data separately, i wouldn't want to create a new package every few days for ubuntu!08:13
khermans_thats ludicrous08:13
RAOFIt's a pity that license is so bad.08:13
RAOFOtherwise you could patch the software, and add an autoupdate-data type script.08:13
khermans_RAOF, we cant patch08:14
RAOFYes, I know.08:14
ajmitchspamassassin has a useful script like that08:14
RAOFIt's a pity that you can't.08:14
ajmitchkhermans_: not your fault, sorry :)08:14
khermans_ahh whatever08:15
khermans_im just going to copy and paste this irc log to msfdev team08:15
RAOFBecause as it stands, it's just not worth packaging, really.08:15
khermans_let those bastards sort it out...08:15
RAOFEven if that license made it through archive-admin scrutiny.08:15
khermans_i c ... too bad...08:15
khermans_to, just for the record, the correct solution is to modify the license08:16
RAOFYou posted a debian-legal thread earlier, right?08:16
khermans_and to separate the packages into code/data portions08:16
khermans_not have them update via svn08:16
khermans_RAOF, yes08:16
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RAOFAnd that debian-legal thread pretty much said "Woah, we can't touch this with a 10' asbestos pole!", IIRC.08:17
khermans_And what license could they use that would allow them to retain rights so other people don't sell their software under another name, but allows us to make such changes?08:17
khermans_RAOF, lol08:17
ScottK2Any MOTU reviewing image info right now?08:17
RAOFkhermans_: Well... I don't know.  That's not a free license that they're after.08:18
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RAOFBut there has to be *some* existing OSI approved license that they can use.08:18
khermans_ok well thanks for the chat ... i will just forget about it for now ...08:18
khermans_thanks guys :-)08:18
ScottK2I think (but am not sure) that software with a no commercial redistribution clause can go into multiverse.08:18
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khermans_ScottK, yes i think we established that08:19
RAOFScottK2: That's not the actual issue, though.08:20
ScottK2It's not?08:20
ScottK2I thought the issue was preventing someone else selling their stuff?08:20
RAOFIt was, among other things, the "you will defend the developers" clause, IIRC.08:20
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ScottK2Ah.  That one.  Yeah.  I would never advocate that.08:20
khermans_ScottK2, yeah but i guess they need to work out a change for updating properly08:21
tonyyarussoA what clause?08:21
khermans_RAOF, that was a big clause :-)08:21
ScottK2Basically they wanted to say that if you redistribute their software and they get sued, you'll defend them08:21
khermans_You agree to indemnify, hold harmless, and defend Developer and08:21
khermans_Developer's owners, contributors, agents, and business partners from and08:21
khermans_against any and all claims or actions including reasonable legal expenses08:21
khermans_that arise or result from Your use of or inability to use the Software.08:21
khermans_Developer agrees to notify You and reasonably cooperate with Your defense08:21
khermans_of any third party claim triggering such indemnification.08:21
RAOFAlso, that licence didn't seem like it allowed redistribution, except by pressing the "I accept" button on the website.08:22
RAOFHowever, IANAL :)08:22
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ScottK2The internet connection in this hotel is do "wonderful" I feel like I must be visiting NZ.08:26
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lucasstupid question from a MOTU who hasn't uploaded for a long time (me):08:53
lucaswhen modifying a package, should I set XSBC-Original-Maintainer manually, or will it magically be taken care of?08:54
lucasnoone has written a script to make the change automatically?08:55
ScottK2As I understand it (and I'm not sure)....08:55
ScottK2There is a maintainer mangler script that they run, but we are still supposed to do it.08:55
ScottK2Dunno if there is a reason for that or if they just forgot to tell us to stop...08:55
ScottK2I have forgotten to make the change earlier in the cycle and it made it into the archives unchanged, I'll look up the date.08:56
lucasok, thank you08:57
ScottK2July 11 I did a bad upload that was not automagically mangled.  Dunno for sure what's happened since then.08:58
ScottK2It was "OK" I suppose since I'm the Debian maintainer for the package in question, but ...08:59
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mok0What happens to the software in REVU at NPF?09:16
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mok0new package freeze09:28
mok0... tomorrow09:28
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siretartwill not be processed until gutsy+1 opens09:28
norsettomorning all09:29
norsettozul: can you please have a look at bug 133293?09:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133293 in cecilia "[unmetdepds]  cecilia has unmet dependancies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13329309:29
Hobbseesiretart: may as well archive, on that basis.09:30
norsettoubotu: good morning, a bit slow today eh, need some coffee?09:30
siretartHobbsee: right09:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about coffee - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:31
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU09:31
ubotuWith Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.09:32
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siretartoh, my. the ubuntu wiki still has references to tiber, which is dead :(09:32
siretartcould someone update that?09:32
norsettosiretart: which page?09:32
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ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU09:33
siretartthat one09:33
\shsiretart, is revu now hosted by canonical or still outside the CDC?09:33
siretart\sh: atm, revu is hosted at the department of computer siences 4, operating systems at university of erlangen09:34
\shsiretart, cool :)09:34
siretart(that's where I'm currently working as PhD student)09:34
RAOFAnyone want to run their eyes over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125 ?  I think it's ready to go.09:34
siretart\sh: whats even more cool is that it is running on ununtu/sparc!09:34
\shsiretart, and can build i386/x86_64 packages? more coolnees ,-)09:35
\shs/nees/ness/ ,-)09:35
siretartno, it doesn't build anything anymore09:35
norsettosiretart: what is the right email for keyring syncing now? Was keyring@tiber.tauware.de09:35
\shsiretart, so the pbuilders are removed, just the webapp is running09:35
siretartit is currently running on a poor old ultra10, but we have a replacement machine, a faster ultra 30 for that ready to be setup09:35
siretartnorsetto: there is no email for that right now09:36
siretartnorsetto: this irc channel is your best choice09:36
norsettosiretart: ok, I just delete that entry09:36
HobbseeRAOF: looks fine, but i've not test built, etc.09:37
norsettosiretart: admin@tiber.tauware.de too I guess?09:37
siretart\sh: right. atm every motu has access to that machine, since it is part of the ubuntuwire network. we need to rethink that when we move it from sparky to spooky09:37
Hobbseenorsetto: you may as well email siretart directly if you're going to do that09:37
RAOFHobbsee: I can email you the buildlog if you like :)09:37
siretartnorsetto: right. tiber is dead, and so are all tiber email adresses09:37
norsettosiretart: ok09:37
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siretartI could perhaps create a mailman list if we decide its a good idea09:38
cfalc1good morning all!09:40
cfalc1now I understand why my email to tiber weren't delivered ;)09:41
norsettosiretart: I will add that to register as a reviewer they should also contact one of the admins here09:42
cfalc1I've updated my package following norsetto's comments09:44
cfalc1would anyone have a look at09:44
norsettocfalc1: bad news cesare, still fails to build on amd6409:44
siretartnorsetto: good idea09:45
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cfalc1alas! I tried to activate my ppa on launchpad09:46
norsettosiretart: ok, looks good, you can check it at the usual address: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU09:46
cfalc1but I'm still waiting for admittance in the beta tester09:46
HobbseeRAOF: acking.09:46
cfalc1so I couldn't test it09:46
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norsettocfalc1: you can ask in #launchpad for help on that09:46
cfalc1great! thanks! :)09:47
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cfalc1both lindia and lintian complain about section multiverse/games09:48
cfalc1is that right?09:48
cfalc1linda, of course ;)09:49
norsettocfalc1: on the .deb?09:49
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RAOFSo!  One more for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125 ?09:50
norsettocfalc1: ok, can't check as I can't build it09:50
cfalc1norsetto, could you please email me the build log, please?09:50
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norsettocfalc1: same as before09:51
siretartnorsetto: excellent. thanks09:51
cfalc1norsetto, ok09:51
mok0I'd like to get http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=108 reviewed, I think it should be ready09:51
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norsettocfalc1: concerning the complain from linda, check out this: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections09:52
Hobbseelinda wont know about multiverse09:53
norsettocfalf1: its possible that linda is not aware that in ubuntu non-free is multiverse09:53
norsettohobbsee: :-)09:53
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cfalc1good to know, thanks both! :)09:54
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ImNOTcesarefalcoahhh, feels better now :-D09:55
ImNOTcesarefalcocfalc1: I see that you still do not include license.txt, so at the moment there is no upstream license; thats no good I think09:56
ImNOTcesarefalcoHobbsee: if I have a source in multiverse for a multi-binaries package, will the binaries built from it automatically in multiverse or do I need to add a  Section:10:02
ImNOTcesarefalcomultiverse/xxxx in all control sections?10:02
HobbseeImNOTcesarefalco: you dont need to use multiverse/ at all10:02
HobbseeImNOTcesarefalco: it'll automatically be sent to multiverse10:02
cfalc1Imnotme :) : I copied upstream licence in debian/copyright10:03
Hobbseeunless you're playing with ppa's, of course10:03
cfalc1should I revert to original file?10:03
ImNOTcesarefalcoHobbsee: ok, you just need to say it to the archive--admins10:03
HobbseeImNOTcesarefalco: well, "automatically" as in the archive admins force it10:03
Hobbseeyeah, and they can usually tell anyway10:03
ImNOTcesarefalcocfalc1: the way I see it you need to add the upstream license, even if you copied it verbatim in copyright.10:04
cfalc1incf: good, I'll do it in next update10:05
ImNOTcesarefalcocafalc1: but people here should confirm this (or not)10:05
ImNOTcesarefalcocfalc1: also, you may want to copyrigth your work (that is, the package)10:07
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coNPGood morning10:07
ImNOTcesarefalcocoNP: all hail coNP!10:07
cfalc1incf: where should I do this? debian/copyright?10:08
ImNOTcesarefalcocfalc1: yes; for patching, have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources10:09
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cfalc1incf: bookmarked, thanks ;)10:10
coNPHiya Hobbsee10:10
cfalc1time to go, family's waiting :(10:10
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Hobbseeand a few lightning bolts10:11
ImNOTcesarefalcoconf1: you usually add something like this: The Debian packaging is (C) 2007, Cesare Falco <cesare.falco@gmail.com> and10:11
ImNOTcesarefalcois licensed under the GPL, see `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.10:11
cfalc1I'll be back this evening... thanks for all help! :)10:11
cfalc1thanks for help!10:11
ImNOTcesarefalcoHobbsee: is it heil?10:11
HobbseeImNOTcesarefalco: i dont think so.  i dont see a whole bunch of stupid customers around here, so it cant be.10:12
Hobbseeunless someone's let them out again10:12
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ImNOTcesarefalcoHobbsee: we could do with some rain here, please keep trying10:13
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coNPWe have rain. Thanks Hobbsee :)10:13
ImNOTcesarefalcook, now that my nemesis is gone, I can go to my old faithful skin10:14
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Hobbseeno, no, you're not jono too10:14
norsettowe look similar actually 8-)10:15
coNPnorsetto: you mean you and your nemesis?10:15
norsettocoNP: me and jono10:16
norsettocoNP: we are both cool guitar players:P10:17
coNPYeah. And norsetto act like a MOTU community manager most of the time...10:17
norsettocoNP: I think he is actually a drummer10:18
coNPHobbsee: can you have a look at bug 134623 and bug 134624?10:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462310:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462410:18
norsettocoNP: its the age coNP ... don't pay attention to it10:18
=== coNP has to. He is more then half as old as you...
HobbseecoNP: not now, i'm heading out10:19
coNPOkay. We have plenty of time :)10:19
coNPI might bug StevenK, soren or zul as well ...10:20
coNPIs it considered harmful? I mean pinging once a day, especially when the deadline is really-really close...10:20
StevenKIt might be. :-P10:21
=== Hobbsee did actual ubuntu "work" yesterday, so...
=== coNP does not want to say even something similar to "you are not working" or "your are not working on Ubuntu" or even "you are not working well on Ubuntu"...
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Hobbseewell, i'm not "working" on ubuntu, by talking on irc10:22
Hobbseewell, apart from getting to know people, of course10:22
StevenKcoNP: Give me one bug number, and I'll look at it now.10:23
coNPStevenK: bug 13462310:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462310:23
coNPAnd I guess bug 134624 is needed as well ...10:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462410:24
coNPHobbsee: I am neither "working" on Ubuntu by IRC, but it is very nice to have things coordinated.10:24
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StevenKcoNP: I'm very curious about that changelog entry...10:27
StevenKIt's for 0.1.4-1, and yet you're packaging 0.1.4-0ubuntu110:27
StevenKIf that's the case, I'd prefer you drop the 0.1.4-1 changelog entry, 1) since it's pointless, and 2) if Debian release 0.1.4-1 soonish, we can just sync it.10:28
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coNPIt has been filed by someone else. You are right, if we can sync still after tomorrow...10:29
StevenKOf course we can. And 0.1.4-0ubuntu1 -> 0.1.4-1 doesn't require a UVFe10:30
StevenKI won't ask you to redo the UVFe for that trivial change.10:31
coNPOh, when is it done? I mean when there are no more UVFes accepted?10:32
coNPWhich freeze, I mean10:32
StevenKHuh? EPARSE10:33
coNPTill when can UVF exceptions be accepted?10:33
StevenKUm, till the hard freeze.10:34
StevenKWhich is like a week before release.10:34
StevenKcoNP: Bug 134623 commented on10:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462310:34
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coNPEnjoy your dinner, StevenK :)10:37
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StevenKRAOF: Why .... ?11:00
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coNPHey pochu!11:05
pochuhowdy coNP :)11:06
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\shso...I signed the CoC again...11:22
coNPWelcome :)11:24
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\shcoNP, you mean "re" ,-)11:25
coNPI mean re-welcome, of course.11:25
norsettoStevenK: are u mentoring RAOF?11:31
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RAOFStevenK: Because they get freaked out by polynomials-as-vector-space-elements.11:37
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zorglu_q. where can i find the recomendation/definition of the purpose of each directory ? like "where do i put my pidfile" ? what should i put in "/var/lib" etc... ?11:49
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Lamegohello zorglu_ I believe those are defined on LSB, anyway you can always check a daemon package, otherwise maybe with experience on that type of packages will be able to help you11:50
zorglu_Lamego: ok you remember the name for this ? it would help my search. i already read it, so i know it exists, but my memory is failing me on the name :)11:51
ubotuThe files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux11:51
LamegoHFS does not cover pid files, does it ?11:52
zorglu_the pidfile was an example, even if i got some11:53
zorglu_usually i use /var/run but wanted to be sure11:53
Lamegoit covers, /var/run on which pidfiles will be in, but there are some other rules :P11:53
zorglu_ok :)11:53
StevenKRAOF: Surely with good reason? :-)11:54
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siretart\sh: you've signed the CoC? does this mean you intend to continue as MOTU?12:07
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\shsiretart, let's see ,-)12:08
\shsiretart, I don't think that anybody will cheer for me being an ubuntu member again ,-)12:09
\shsiretart, but if you are so kind, please review the FTBFS fix for 4g8 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/4g8/+bug/13550412:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135504 in 4g8 "[FTBFS]  4g8_1.0-1" [Undecided,New] 12:09
\shhopefully I didn't forget anything...12:09
siretartuuh, why do you add dpatch for such a simple patch?!12:10
siretartmost of the diff is just because of dpatch :/12:10
coNPnorsetto: what about reviewing sdlmame again? :)12:10
coNPOnly if you have some time, of course :)12:10
norsettocoNP: yes, I gave some comments to cfalc1 already this morning on IRC12:11
coNPOh, cool.12:11
coNPlet me know if I should advocate it :)12:12
norsettocoNP: right now no, it doesn't build on x86_6412:12
\shsiretart, so what is todays patch system? just include the patch in diff.gz?12:13
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siretart\sh: I really think that for such a small fix, its easiest to just include them inline12:13
\shsiretart, good..give me a sec12:14
siretartit always depends a bit if the source package is already using some patch system or not. in this case, it is not12:14
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\shsiretart, will update the debdiff just now :)12:16
coNPRAOF: is startupmanager packaged by you?12:17
MehdiHassanpourhi, will you have sync with debian unstable before Gutsy release ?12:17
MehdiHassanpourjalali-calendar package is now in debian unstable but not in universe yet12:18
RAOFcoNP: No, I just did the initial review.12:18
coNPRAOF I mean http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12512:18
coNPOh, sorry.12:18
MehdiHassanpourstardict is updated to 3 but still 2.4.8 in universe12:18
coNPBixente: did you make http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12512:18
RAOFAs a part of my MOTU application I've reviewed stuff. :)12:19
ubotufsf is The Free Software Foundation. See http://www.fsf.org/12:19
coNPIt fails to start12:19
coNP(if not run as root)12:19
coNPIt would be nice to fix this before the first upload.12:19
coNPBut I would advocate it anyway12:19
RAOFAh.  The icon runs it under gksudo.12:19
coNPSure. That is all right.12:20
coNPBut an application should not crash if you run it from command-line12:20
RAOFAnd I had a look at the code, and I think it would be quite invasive to make it properly start without root privs.12:20
coNPIt should output run me as root (or preferalbly) re-launch itself as "gksu $0"12:20
RAOFBut that was a very brief code-sanity check.12:20
RAOFcoNP: Certainly.  Oh, and that would be easy.12:21
coNPYeah, about 4 lines in Python12:21
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RAOFBixente is the one who did the upload, and yes he should :)12:22
\shsiretart, fixed debdiff attached to the bug12:24
siretart\sh: I see a sucessful build in gutsy. how do you know that it ftbfs now?12:27
\shsiretart, lucas mail and self pbuilder run12:27
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siretartoh, he already did the run?12:28
\shsiretart, yepp12:29
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siretart\sh: uploaded12:35
\shsiretart, thx12:35
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\shguys, those12:50
\shlibxext-dev ftbfs packages, should I tag them with missing-libxext-dev ?12:50
StevenKHow many are there?12:59
\sh21 regarding lucas' mail from this morning01:00
=== StevenK might just script and upload the lot.
\shhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aewm++-goodies/+bug/135522 e.g.01:02
BixentecoNP: I did this upload01:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135522 in aewm++-goodies "[FTBFS]  aewm++-goodies because of missing libxext-dev build-dep" [Undecided,New] 01:02
coNPBixente: you mean a newer one?01:03
coNPOh, no. Just the fact.01:03
BixentecoNP: no01:03
coNPSo I commented this at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=12501:03
coNPIt would be very nice if you could fix this to run as non-root or at least provide some error message01:03
coNPIt would be easier to fix this now and let it go, than to let it go and bug you with a bug ...01:04
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BixentecoNP: thanks for the review, I understand but I don't know hwo to fix this01:05
norsettobugger .....01:05
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coNPdon't we have other python config tools01:09
coNPfrom where we could steal the source?01:10
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RAOFBixente: You could patch the script to add a "import os\n if os.getuid() != 0 :\n print "Be root, fool!"\n os.exit(1)"01:15
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BixenteRAOF: thanks, I'll try with that01:21
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RAOFBixente: Sorry, it's just "exit(1)" rather than "os.exit(1)"01:26
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coNPBixente: feel free to ping me once ready to give a 2nd ack01:29
coNPbryce: do you think we should still apply for Ubuntu Membership?01:29
coNPI guess you also have been MOTUfied since :)01:29
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coNPjono: is Hardy Heron for real? I thought it would be the "Hobbsee Human LPS"...01:32
ograLPS ?01:36
ograyou cant do that ... surely against COC in a release name :)01:36
ograyay, acronyms01:36
\shLPS? what does it mean?01:38
FujitsuLong Pointy Stick01:38
\shScottK, I introduced a new tag: missing-libxext-dev ...when you search for it you find the ftbfs reports I filed already with attached debdiff01:40
FujitsuHardy Heron can't be real... we release in like 2 months, and we've not known this far ahead of time before.01:40
\shhardy heron sounds like a new LTS01:40
FujitsuIt is.01:41
FujitsuAnother bird, with a nice adjective.01:41
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BixentecoNP: I added a patch, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=13401:45
lucasare there something similar to Debian's usertags in malone?01:47
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coNPBixente: looking01:49
\shanyone who wants to sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kterm/+bug/135552 ?01:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135552 in kterm "[FTBFS]  kterm" [Undecided,New] 01:51
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coNPBixente: thanks, advocating. Please consider to send this patch upstream.01:57
BixentecoNP: thanks. np, I'll send it.01:59
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RAOFHm.  Does it actually fix it in that position?01:59
=== RAOF has just noticed that __init__ seems to do crazy stuff.
coNPRAOF: I tried to run as root. And tried to run as non-root01:59
coNPBixente: OTOH try to find another advocate02:00
RAOFcoNP: Cool.  So that strange __init__ stuff doesn't matter.02:00
coNPBixente: I guess LongPointyStick will advocate it again if she comes back.02:00
StevenKRAOF: __init__ in Python?02:01
RAOFStevenK: Well, in the module directory.02:01
coNP\sh: still need an advocate?02:01
StevenKRAOF: #define crazy stuff?02:01
StevenKlucas: Yes. Where is this list of libxext-dev needing packages, I can mass upload them.02:01
RAOFStevenK: if __name__ == '__main__' in the init for the module.02:02
StevenKRAOF: That's not crazy, it's "If I'm called from the command-line, do ..."02:02
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norsettocoNP: you will never make it for ubuntu membership02:03
coNPnorsetto: sorry. I don't understand you.02:03
RAOFStevenK: Hm.  I've never really messed with the more advanced module stuff.02:04
norsettocoNP: you are already, you fool :-)02:04
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coNPBut you can be a direct and an indirect member...02:04
norsettocoNP: and whats the difference!?02:04
lucasStevenK: flwm libforms1 plotmtv psemu-drive-cdrmooby vflib2 wmanager wmbinclock wmclock wmnet xbat xbattbar xbattle xboing xdemineur xdigger xfishtank xhangglider xlife xvier02:04
lucas(I removed from the list the two packages that I already fixed)02:04
StevenKRAOF: It's not more advanced, it's basic Python if you've written anything more complicated than hello world. :-)02:05
StevenKlucas: Aye. I'm looking at them now.02:06
StevenKlucas: 19 packages, right?02:07
coNP\sh: uploaded. You can consider use the LP-autoclose-bug magic next time.02:07
lucas19 + 2 (fixed by me) = 2102:08
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StevenKlucas: Oh, are there bugs for all of these?02:08
lucasI don't think so02:08
norsettocoNP: hey, why don't you give a look at my patches? I've got a couple of outstanding ones.02:08
coNPNo1Viking: which ones?02:08
StevenKlucas: Fair enough.02:08
coNPnorsetto: ^^^02:08
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RAOFStevenK: Yes, but I've never seen that in the __init__.py for a module.  In various scripts & such, yes.  Eh.02:09
norsettocoNP: I don't think you can actually, two have been assigned to somebody already, and one is in the UVF queue02:10
coNPnorsetto: UVF is beyond my powers. :)02:11
norsettocoNP: oh well, easy does it, let me prepare a new one02:11
StevenKRAOF: I'll agree, it's a bit wierd. What bozo is going to call an __init__.py from the command line? :-)02:12
siretartlucas: do you happen to know who is coordinating filing of bugs of your list?02:12
RAOFStevenK: Yes :)02:13
norsettocoNP: I see there is an outstanding merge, and the previous uploader was a certain Aron Sisak, wonder who that was02:13
coNPnorsetto: bug #?02:13
norsettocoNP: no bug # yet, is in dad (kiwi)02:13
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=== coNP has to go now. Bye everyone
siretart\sh: btw, did you get a copy of the ACCEPTED mail from soyuz for 4g8?02:15
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StevenKHrm. Can someone remind what script does the Maintainer mangling, and where I get it?02:16
\shsiretart, nope..I just saw it on changes02:17
siretartStevenK: if you find it, please add it to devscripts02:18
siretart\sh: hm. interesting. thanks02:18
\shcoNP: I did it now for the new one...02:18
\shsiretart, now I got the accepted mail ;)02:22
siretart\sh: yes. i bounced it manually02:22
\shsiretart, ah :)02:23
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StevenKsed -e 's/Maintainer: \(.*\)$/Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>\nXSBC-Original-Maintainer: \1/' < debian/control > debian/control.mine02:32
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siretartStevenK: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/02:37
StevenKOh, neat.02:38
StevenKI didn't think of u-d-t02:38
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siretartthe tools in that branch still need manpages02:39
siretartxxxxx1: hey there02:39
StevenKHobbsee: Hum?02:39
HobbseeStevenK: hardy herron?02:39
Hobbseeer, heron?02:39
xxxxx1hey siretart :)02:39
xxxxx1mornin' all02:39
KmosStevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/update-maintainer-transition02:39
siretartxxxxx1: did you see that panthera is maintaining ecryptfs in debian now?02:40
StevenKOh, wah02:40
xxxxx1siretart, panthera is Daniel Baumann?02:40
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siretartxxxxx1: right02:46
xxxxx1siretart, i already spoke with him.02:46
siretartxxxxx1: ah, cool. could you agree on something?02:47
xxxxx1siretart, i've forwarded a mail for you right now.02:51
siretartah, I see. great!02:52
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BixenteHobbsee: could you please advocate this please, I've just added a patch. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=13402:59
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ScottK2Or more precisely waiting for this "wonderful" hotel internet connection to finish downloading it so he can review it...03:52
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ScottK2I'm not going to have time to finish wulfware right now, so if someone else wants to give it a whack, feel free.  I'll get back to it later if no one else does.04:10
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StevenKlucas: The remaining 19 packages have been uploaded.04:12
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gnomefreakbryce: did you start on xorg 7.3 (i heard you were looking at it) someone asked if it was gonna be included in gutsy but im thinking since upstream freeze it would have to be started04:16
gnomefreakto get into gutsy04:16
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mok0Does gutsy+1 have a name yet?04:21
siretartmok0: the name will start with 'h'04:21
Hobbseeit's announced.04:21
siretartHobbsee: it is?04:21
Hobbseesiretart: yes04:22
Hobbseesiretart: ubuntu-devel-announce04:22
siretartwow. just a few moments ago :)04:22
mok0Hobbsee: Can't remember or wont tell?04:22
siretartmok0: see u-d-a04:22
StevenKI think she's trying to forget.04:22
Hobbseemok0: you'll next ask me the rest of what was said, in which case you may as well look up the announcement and read it yourself.04:22
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zulmok0: or you could check jono's blog04:23
mok0zul: I don't know where to find all these things... I have to google04:23
Hobbseethis is usually a good start, until you remmeber04:23
mok0zul: I'm a n00b04:23
zulmok0: er planet.ubuntu.com04:23
siretartmok0: you are aware of the existance of lists.ubuntu.com, and the mailing list ubuntu-devel-announce, are you?04:24
Hobbseei would have thought "jono bacon blog" would come up with a good asnwer.04:24
gnomefreakchecking email for it04:24
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gnomefreakah hardy herion04:24
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\shStevenK, can you close my bugs then regarding libxext-dev ftbfs?04:25
StevenK\sh: ... I can ... I'd rather lambast you on the mailing list, can I do both? :-)04:26
Hobbseemok0: you are expected to know how to search, so as not to require constant spoon feeding.04:26
\shStevenK, whatever ,-)04:26
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Lamegoany CDBS expert around ?04:26
Hobbseedefine "expert"04:27
Lamegoexpert, someone with expertise :P04:28
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HobbseeLamego: better to ask what you want to konw04:28
HobbseeLamego: sometimes you need to read the cdbs source for help04:28
Lamegoi have an install/package::04:28
Lamegowhich is not being executed with debuild -nc04:29
Lamegodh_install* and friends are executed, so I am missing something04:29
Lamegoops, i think i found it :P04:30
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StevenK\sh: 4 out of 5 bugs closed. The remaining one open I didn't upload. lucas probably did.04:32
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StevenKjoejaxx: Update the Gutsy stats page!04:34
\shStevenK, you mean aewm++-goodies...i didn't see anything on -changes...04:35
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StevenKlucas: Still here?04:35
joejaxxStevenK: ok :)04:36
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StevenKjoejaxx: :-)04:36
StevenKjoejaxx: Where does it get the data from, by the way?04:37
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bddebianHeya gang04:39
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StevenK\sh: Right, dealing with aewm++-goodies04:39
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StevenK\sh: aewm++-goodies uploaded.04:46
lucasStevenK: \sh: I didn't upload it04:48
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lucasI only uploaded packages not in the list I gave you ;)04:48
StevenKlucas: Fair enough, I verified it had the problem and uploaded it.04:48
lucasStevenK: ok04:49
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bddebianDamn, I swore that sdlmame got in to Feisty.. Hmm04:53
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cavedonhi all!04:55
bddebianHello cavedon04:55
cavedonIs there a way to know if my key have been synced to the REVU keyring? If I upload a package and dput says "Successfully uploaded packages.", but I do not get any mail shortly, should I be suspicious something is wrong?04:56
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Hobbseecavedon: you dont get mail for package uploads to revu.  is it on revu.tauware.de?04:56
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cavedonno, I uploaded it 10 mins ago04:57
cavedonpackage is "wengophone"04:58
Hobbseecavedon: ah yes, here it is04:59
lucassiretart: lcd4linux FTBFS ;) (also in Debian, btw)04:59
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Hobbseecavedon: yeah, i'ts a key problem.  resyncing.04:59
cavedonHobbsee:  ok! thanks!05:00
lucassiretart: ah, you already know05:00
cavedonHobbsee: should I re-upload?05:00
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cavedonHobbsee: could you give me a rough idea of how much time it will take to show up, please?05:13
Hobbseecavedon: >1 hr from when i said i was resyncing05:14
Hobbseecavedon: as in, someone will have to move it back, and it'll reprocess05:14
cavedonHobbsee: ok, tnx :)05:14
Hobbseecavedon: if i move it back now, the cronjob will just move it back to rejected, as the key isntthere yet05:14
Hobbseecavedon: yes, it's slow atm05:14
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cavedonnp :)05:14
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fernandoError '425 Security: Bad IP connecting.' during ftp transfer of gtk-vnc_0.1.0-1ubuntu0.dsc05:25
fernandowhile uploading to revu05:25
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geserHi bddebian05:29
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bddebianHeya geser05:29
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bddebianDamn now I remember why I don't like reviewing.. :-)05:43
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geserbddebian: have you your password back?05:43
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socis there a chance that avogadro will get into universe?05:57
soci didn't ask earlier because all the depencies of avogadro, e. g. libopenbabel were updated, so i thought it would be a matter of time since it will appear in the repo05:58
geservery unlikely, it would need to be packaged and review till tomorrow05:59
azeemavogadro uses openbabel?05:59
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ScottK2mok0: Are you there.06:01
mok0ScottK2: yes06:01
azeemany project which has a "Quit" icon on its toolbar is suspect06:02
socazeem: yes06:02
azeemsoc: but thanks, doesn't look bad06:02
azeemsoc: are you using it yourself?06:02
azeemyou like it06:02
socbut a very old version06:02
mok0ScottK2:  Are you back home?06:02
soci'm just compiling the newest06:02
ScottK2No.  In a meeting.06:02
socfrom trunk06:03
soci'll check it out and report back?06:03
azeemsoc: which toolkit is it using?06:03
ScottK2mok0: Copyright should be 2001 - 2007 and not just 2007.  If that's all I find, do you mind if I change it and upload?06:03
mok0ScottK2: No go ahead!06:03
socas far as i know 4.206:03
socit needs eigen06:04
socwhich is in kdesupport06:04
soc(which is already in the repos)06:04
azeemhuh, I hang out with one of the devs in a channel and knew nothing about this06:05
ScottK2OK.  SO far that's all I've found.06:05
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soccompiling eigen works flawlessly06:07
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luisbghow can I know if my package is being processed by the archive admins?06:07
socazeem: eigen is only needed for compiling, no runtime dependency!06:09
socso it seems the repos are able to support avogadro without adding another library06:09
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geserluisbg: check if is published or sitting in the NEW queue06:11
luisbggeser, sitting in the queue06:12
_MMA_geser: 'tis in the queue but we've had bad luck with things sitting there without getting processed. With it being so close to freeze Im curious.06:12
Hobbsee_MMA_: stuff already in the new queue by freeze should get processed, i'd expect06:13
_MMA_As would I but that bit us in the arse with the Ubuntu Studio art for Feisty. :(06:13
_MMA_Granted it was after freeze but we had all the exceptions.06:14
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luisbgwe just want to be sure everything is ok06:15
\shtime to go home...cu06:15
geserluisbg: the only option is then ask the archive admins06:17
luisbggeser, like whom?06:17
_MMA_Is Mithrandir processing again?06:18
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_MMA_Or elmo? (I thought he did as well)06:19
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sorenHobbsee: Am I supposed to unsubscribe motu-uvf now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sobby/+bug/13558806:20
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 135588 in sobby "[UVFe]  Please sync sobby (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:20
Hobbseesoren: with it's second ack, yes please06:20
zorglu_q. is there like a /etc/init.d but at the user level ? this is to start/stop daemon at the user level06:20
sorenHobbsee: Thought so. Done. Thanks.06:20
bddebianDamn, why are all of these REVU packages so freakin huge?? :-(06:23
ScottK2mok0: Uploaded06:23
mok0ScottK2: Great! Thanks a lot!06:24
bddebianHeya ScottK206:24
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geserluisbg: Mithrandir, Riddell, seb128, pitti06:24
ScottK2Heya bddebian06:24
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_MMA_geser: Thanx.06:25
Lamegozorglu_, /etc/init.d there is no such thing as "user level" to start/stop, you can do it, as session level, when an user starts a X session06:25
Lamegohowever, ther is no such thing as user boot ;)06:25
_MMA_Riddell: I was just wondering about new queue processing. PM?06:26
ScottK2mok0: You are doing great work.  Keep it up.06:26
Riddell_MMA_: does it need to be private?06:26
_MMA_Not really.06:26
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_MMA_Im wondering when the queue will be cleared.06:27
mok0ScottK2: I will! Next stop Hardy Heron!06:27
_MMA_Riddell:  Ubuntu Studio has a critical package and this close to freeze I dont want to have issues like we did with Feisty.06:28
Riddell_MMA_: dunno, I seem to be the only archive admin who likes to do New queue and I'm busy with release management of 4 ubuntu distros06:28
brycegnomefreak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post322397106:28
HobbseeRiddell: just clone yourself.06:28
_MMA_Riddell: As long as it gets done without a freeze exception I dont mind. We had exceptions for Feisty and the queue wasnt processed. :(06:29
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Riddell_MMA_: if it was uploaded before a freeze that shouldn't be your problem in my opinion06:30
_MMA_Ok. I'm hoping. ;)06:30
mok0Gotta go, bbl!06:31
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Riddell_MMA_: ubuntustudio-menu?06:37
_MMA_Riddell: Correct.06:40
luisbgRiddell, yes, the menu06:40
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Riddell_MMA_: the prerm doesn't seem to do anything and the postinst seems to add its functionality regardless of what is happening to the package06:43
Riddellbut that's not a blocker for me, just something for you to look for, I'll approve it06:43
luisbgi did the package06:43
luisbgI will look into that06:43
luisbgthanks! =)06:44
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luisbgRiddell, postinst does something pretty important06:48
luisbgln -sf /etc/xdg/menus/preferences.menu $BASE_DIR/menus/06:48
luisbg11 ln -sf /etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu $BASE_DIR/menus/06:49
luisbgif not you wouldn't see the system>preferences and system>settings menu categories06:49
luisbgbut it is true prerm doesn't do anything and could be taken away06:49
luisbgafter it get's into universe I will do an update06:49
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Riddellluisbg: but it does it even if the package is already installed (in which case it might cause a fail because the link is already there, I'm not sure)06:52
luisbgthe -f makes it to redo it06:53
luisbgI tested it and it doesn't fail06:54
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luisbgRiddell, so will you approve it?07:02
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Riddellluisbg: already have (it'll still need to go through binary new)07:05
_MMA_Riddell: Thanx man.07:05
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bddebianCould someone possibly review boswars?  It looks OK to me but I would prefer a third ack?07:06
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luisbgRiddell, thanks! =)07:11
fernandocan somebody review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=136 ? thanks07:12
bddebianfernando: I will give me a few minutes07:17
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fernandobddebian, great! thank you07:18
ranffernando, the version is wrong: 0.1.0-1ubuntu007:18
ranfshould be -0ubuntu107:18
fernandoops, fixed07:19
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zulwhee I get to do a debian package for work07:35
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mohammadScottK: hello, are you online?07:49
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fernandoranf, can you review again?08:04
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ranffernando, I'm no MOTU. But the version was an easy to find error.08:05
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fernandoranf, thanks. version is already fixed08:06
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gnomefreakty bryce08:16
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bddebianfernando: You have a few little things to fix :-)08:34
fernandobddebian, thanks. fixing08:35
deadwillhey bddebian08:37
bddebianHello deadwill08:37
bddebianDoes anyone know who Aron is on REVU?08:38
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geserbddebian: have you an exact link?08:40
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bddebiangeser: No someone reviewing as aron@ubuntu.hu08:44
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geserbddebian: https://launchpad.net/~asisak aka coNP08:45
bddebianAh, OK, thx08:45
geserone of our new MOTUs08:45
ScottK2bddebian: Brand new motu08:46
bddebianNP, I just wasn't familiar with the name :-)08:46
bddebianHey if you two are bored, check out boswars for me ;-)08:46
ScottK2Sorry, in a meeting...08:47
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Lamegodoes REVU check if the the package builds properly ?08:51
Lamegoso if it is accepted, and has a building problem, where on the process does it get detected ?08:53
Lamegoautomated building before entering the archives ?08:53
cavedonREVU people: Hobbsee started a REVU key sync from LP neary 4 hrs ago. Is it likely it has not finished yet? tnx08:53
ScottK2Lamego: MOTU reviewers build it locally as part of their review.08:54
Lamegowhy do they spend time checking a package that may not even build :P ?08:54
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ScottK2Lamego: Well that's one of the annoyances of reviewing.08:55
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ScottK2There has been some discussion of using LP personal package archives once that's rolled out.08:56
LamegoScottK, ok, something that should be an automated review, but is not (yet I hope)08:56
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LaserJockbddebian: ping09:01
imbrandonheya LaserJock09:05
imbrandonheya bro09:05
imbrandonjust picked up a few truckloads of computer stuff ( some old, very old, some brand new ) sorting through it all ;)09:06
LaserJockhow are things?09:06
imbrandonseeing if i can find a few diamonds09:06
zulheya imbrandon09:06
imbrandonheya zul09:06
zulhow is everything09:06
imbrandonthat and got an invite to sanfran for a motorolla dev confrence, contemplating going09:07
imbrandonprobably wont this round though'09:07
imbrandonhow about yall?09:07
LaserJockI'm trying to survive a PhD and my inlaws are coming tomorrow09:07
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nixternalwhat's up homeskillet!09:08
zulgood i think i might have a cold09:08
nixternalI am sick of you hiding and playing like you have a life...I miss you man :p09:08
imbrandoni just got over one, summer coldds suck09:08
zulyeah specially since 5 months olds gave you it09:08
LaserJockI remember the one I got from UDS Paris09:08
LaserJockman I was so sick09:09
imbrandonnixternal: hahaha, you need to trek down here and stay a few days with me, drink some beer etc09:09
nixternalsounds like a plan...maybe a long weekend or something09:09
nixternalwe can find mr brouhard and commence to deleting his harddrives09:09
LaserJockimbrandon: find any Sun keyboards in your junk pile?09:10
nixternaldude, my Rhoulette wheel rox...if only I could get it to work, then I would get an A++ on this project :D09:10
imbrandonahh actualy i have 2, still need one LaserJock ?09:10
LaserJockas a matter of fact yeah09:10
nixternalI have one that didn't make it through a dishwash cleaning09:10
imbrandonkk email me your usps addy and i'll get it out to you this weekend09:11
imbrandonor my ubuntu addy09:11
LaserJockthe're going for like $20+ shipping on ebay09:11
LaserJockso this sparc has just been sitting in the other room09:11
LaserJockhaven't turned it on in a couple months09:11
imbrandonheheh yea its no biggie, shouldent cost me more than 5 or 10 bux tops to ship, i can cover that for a MOTU rockstar09:13
bddebianLaserJock: Yo, sorry09:13
LaserJockbddebian: who packages startupmanager?09:13
bddebianUh oh, what'd I do now?09:14
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bddebianLaserJock: Vincent Legout <bixente44@gmail.com>09:14
zulwow https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/13563109:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135631 in ubuntu "Startup on Win 98" [Undecided,New] 09:15
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cbx33ping imbrandon09:15
cbx33LaserJock, http://progbox.co.uk/comic/justice.png09:15
LaserJockthank goodness for batteries09:16
LaserJockbeen there09:16
cbx33what really?09:16
cbx33you played an FPS at dinner with the missus?09:16
cbx33andshe unplugged ya pc09:17
LaserJockwell, it wasn't FPS09:17
cbx33LaserJock, you naughty naughty thing09:17
LaserJockI don't do that anymore09:17
LaserJockI was probably ssh'd into my server pbuilding something09:17
LaserJockcbx33: that's what screen is meant for, btw09:19
LaserJockif my laptop gets shut down, I can go somewhere else and screen back in ;-)09:19
imbrandoncbx33: pong09:23
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cbx33hey hey imbrandon09:24
imbrandonscreen ftw09:24
cbx33long time no see dude09:24
cbx33been trying to get hold of you for ages09:24
imbrandonheh yea , took a break for a bit09:24
cbx33i did that too09:24
cbx33the python training stuff09:24
cbx33i think09:24
cbx33i think i found a way to do it09:24
cbx33stream audio and video that is09:24
cbx33all i need now is your help09:25
cbx33wanna pop into a pm?09:25
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fernandobddebian, how to fix the copyright problem?09:33
bddebianfernando: Just add a notation for any extra copyright holders.  So like foo/bar.c Copyright 2000-2001 Hugh Jardon .. or so09:34
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bddebianfernando: If it is under a different license you may have to include the license text in debian/copyright also09:35
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erableHi, I had created qdevelop package one month ago. How to make so that it is accepted in gutsy ?09:42
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bddebianerable: Can you post it to REVU?09:43
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erablepackage is in REVU09:45
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bddebianGah, I'm blind sorry.  I'll look at it shortly09:48
luisbghey imbrandon =)09:48
erablebddebian : thank you :)09:50
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LaserJockbddebian: I wondered about startupmanager because I think the SoC project I mentored fostered a bit of competition ;-)09:51
bddebianLaserJock: Ah, nice :-)09:52
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bddebianCompetition is always good unless you're in those nanny-state socialist countries.... ;-P09:53
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kompozerHello, I would like to know how much time remains until the package freeze please? I can't reach the maintainer of my project :-/09:54
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases09:54
LaserJockpfft, that's a pretty crappy factoid09:55
LaserJockkompozer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule09:55
kompozerLaserJock: I know the freeze is on the 30th, but does that mean it remains two hours or 22 hours?09:56
LaserJockI thought we had a couple weeks09:56
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LaserJockkompozer: well, I'm not quite sure what time exactly09:57
kompozerLaserJock: I had to change some details on the package yesterday, it's still not uploaded by the maintainer, so I begin to get anxious09:58
LaserJockkompozer: who is the maintainer?09:59
kompozerTony Yarusso09:59
bddebianFrick, I have GOT to get a Gutsy machine going10:00
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LaserJockbddebian: my server is running Gutsy10:01
LaserJockit's kinda not pretty10:01
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joejaxxbddebian: i am living on the edge10:03
joejaxxbddebian: running debian unstable and gutsy10:03
fernandobddebian, can you review again =) itens fixed10:05
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bddebianLaserJock: Well I'm not doing a good job of testing install and execution of my stuff so I need something :-(10:07
bddebianjoejaxx: Nice :_)10:08
LaserJockbddebian: vmware?10:08
joejaxxvmware ftw :)10:08
bddebianfernando: Let me finish up with qdevelop first10:08
fernandobddebian, ok, no problem =)10:08
kompozerStevenK: ping10:13
cavedonREVU people: Hobbsee started a REVU key sync from LP 5 hrs ago. Is it likely it has not finished yet?10:19
cavedonI uploaded a package and it has not appearedin  http://revu.tauware.de/ yet10:20
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LaserJockcavedon: it used to take < 30 min10:23
LaserJockbut on the new server I have no idea10:23
cavedonok, tnx LaserJock10:24
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cavedonmhm, If I want to update a package; automatic sync from debian stopped because a "build1" version was uploaded in order to trigger recompilation10:42
DavieyHi.. how can i recreate a 'Release' file?10:42
cavedonI would like to do a sync + some changes for Ubuntu10:43
Daviey-- google aint helping much10:43
cavedonit is not properly a merge10:43
bddebiancavedon: File a bug and attach your patches.  Of course it's probably too late for Gutsy but you can request an exception10:43
cavedonbddebian: do I have to upload to new? or not at all?10:44
bddebiancavedon: Shouldn't need to at all, just make your changes against the debian version and post a debdiff10:44
cavedonbddebian: because my patch would be agains a deb package, which has not been synced in Ubuntu10:45
bddebiancavedon: Aye, we would grab the debian version and apply your patch and upload if it was approved10:45
cavedonbddebian: ok, thank you again, sorry for bothering10:45
bddebianDaviey: Do you mean a Releases file from an archive?10:50
bddebiansudo apt-get update :-)10:51
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Davieybddebian: I mean; recreate the Releases file on an archive10:51
Davieyarchive / apt-repo10:52
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Davieyomg.. imbrandon lives10:52
sommer /whois imbrandon10:52
imbrandonor Falcon imho would be easier10:52
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Davieyimbrandon: well i'm trying to apt-mirror an archive - then pgp sign it10:53
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imbrandonyou would be better letting falcon take care of that for you10:53
Davieyimbrandon: can it do it?10:54
imbrandonsommer: https://launchpad.net/~imbrandon10:55
sommerheh thanks...I thought you may have been a different brandon.10:55
imbrandonnope tis i, and you ?10:56
Davieyimbrandon: I thought you died or something10:56
imbrandonnope , new job, new wife, new house all in the same month, forces a break on ya10:57
Davieygeez... new life10:57
DavieyWas it your new wife I spoke to when i phoned?10:58
geserimbrandon: also an new imbrandon or still the old one?10:58
LaserJockimbrandon: you got married?!!?10:58
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imbrandonLaserJock: yea to my 1st wife again ;)(11:01
fernando$ linda ../../pbuild-gutsy/result/libgtk-vnc-1.0-0_0.1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb11:01
imbrandonex is still in reno11:01
fernandoCheck LibraryCheck failed. Exception IndexError thrown (list index out of range).11:01
fernandothis is a linda issue. right?11:01
LaserJockimbrandon: really?11:01
imbrandonyea ;)11:01
LaserJockimbrandon: good for you11:01
imbrandoni;ll post wedding pics tonight11:01
LaserJockimbrandon: she move out there?11:01
imbrandonwell the 1st wife has always lived in KC ;)11:02
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imbrandonsudo apt-get install gftp11:04
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bddebianfernando: What did you change wrt libgtk-vnc?  Did you manually create a shlibs file?11:07
fernandobddebian, yes11:08
bddebianAh, probably better to use dh_makeshlibs (I think)11:08
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imbrandonLaserJock: ping11:10
bddebianOh, you aren't using debhelper eh?11:10
LaserJockimbrandon: pong11:10
imbrandonLaserJock: some are still uploading but here is one of us both at the reception http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/pics/reception/100_1273.jpg11:10
fernandobddebian, ok. i need to go. thank you a lot11:11
imbrandonpics are kinda shoddy but its the only ones i have on this PC11:12
LaserJockimbrandon: dang, dressed up and everything ;-)11:13
imbrandonlol, there is a first time for everything11:14
imbrandonprobably the only time you will see me without a ballcap too11:14
LaserJockimbrandon: that's what I was thinking11:15
=== ajmitch is shocked
ajmitchthat's not imbrandon!11:15
norsettogeser: thx for your comment on bug 135661. So, if I get it right, we do not sync and the bug can be rejected?11:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135661 in kiwi "[Sync request]  Please sync kiwi (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13566111:15
imbrandonajmitch: heh11:15
ajmitchimbrandon: well congrats anyway11:16
ajmitchI suppose you're back to normal attire now?11:16
imbrandonmost definately, and mt dew11:16
imbrandononly now i dont have to make fridge runs, long as i'm not in the dogg house she brings them to me ;)11:17
ajmitchso you're back to being married11:17
ajmitchhow confusing11:17
Tonio_dholbach: ping ?11:17
ajmitchhello Tonio_11:18
imbrandonyea confuses me too at times , but this was my HS sweetheart soo .... ;)11:18
Tonio_hey ajmitch, imbrandon11:18
imbrandonheya Tonio_11:18
gesernorsetto: we should keep this replaces till the hardy release, it can be dropped afterwards11:18
ajmitchTonio_: I had someone asking about a nm-pptp change you made a couple of months ago - apparantly it didn't end up as an upgrade, but somehow broke stuff (according to the original maintainer)11:18
Tonio_imbrandon: doesn't work as expected :)11:19
ajmitchI'm not sure what he meant, he's in a different TZ now :)11:19
Tonio_ajmitch: true, I just saw that with him11:19
norsettogeser: ok, so its on hold and we keep the sync request open until then. thx11:19
ajmitchTonio_: ok :)11:19
Tonio_ajmitch: I'm reworking the package with him now11:19
Tonio_ajmitch: complete miscomprehension on the svn checkout and package versioning in fact11:19
ajmitchah good11:19
gesernorsetto: I doubt it's useful to keep the sync request open for 8 months (till 8.04)11:20
norsettogeser: ok, so we reject it11:20
DavieyIs the net -motu meeting really - Saturday, September 8th, 00:00 UTC?!11:20
ajmitchDaviey: is that a problem?11:21
Daviey1am UK time for a meeting?11:21
geserDaviey: depending on your timezone is either still friday or already saturday for you11:21
ajmitchDaviey: that's expected, plenty of MOTUs live in australia or NZ11:22
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Davieyokay, was just suprised to have it scheduled that late UTC11:22
ajmitchso 10AM or noon is a better time for a meeting for us11:22
=== bddebian now remembers why he hated reviewing :-)
DavieyThought it might have been a wiki-error11:22
ajmitchwe do try & rotate meeting times11:22
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Tonio_dholbach: when you read this, I'm fixing your bluez-utils upload11:23
Tonio_dholbach: you added --enable-input and a lot of other things, but some files are missing the package, resulting kdebluetooth doesn't work11:23
Tonio_dholbach: filling the .install files with dh_install --list-missing and uploading11:23
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superm1ajmitch, well i may not be able to make it at that meeting time (not sure yet), but i added an item the agenda this time around.  if i'm not able to make it, i'll send some notes to the mailing list with what i was planning to discuss with it11:26
LaserJockfor goodness sakes, why aren't there more hours in a day11:26
geserLaserJock: are you sure that would help?11:28
LaserJockI'd get more done at least11:28
LaserJockbut then there would be more hours for people to add things for me to do11:28
geserand you would more hours a day :)11:29
LaserJockwhat was that law that crimsun always talked about?11:29
ajmitchmurphys? :)11:29
LaserJockwhere the amount of work will always fill the amount of time available, or something like that11:30
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dholbach Tonio_: what's missing?11:33
Tonio_dholbach: bluetooth.install :)11:34
Tonio_dholbach: and in consequence every files in it11:35
dholbachoh? that's weird11:35
dholbachTonio_: but thanks for fixing it!11:35
Tonio_dholbach: you're welcome :)11:35
Tonio_dholbach: hum stop bluetooth is a metapackage, stupid of me....11:37
Tonio_dholbach: okay so what's missing is a bunch of files generated when activating certain configure options11:37
dholbachTonio_: I guess they should be in the bluez-utils package11:37
Tonio_dholbach: here is the list11:37
Tonio_.la files can be removed11:38
Tonio_appart from that, I suspect everything is needed11:38
Tonio_dholbach: also I see a usr/lib/bluez-utils/udev/bluetooth_serial file11:38
Tonio_dholbach: is that of any use ? there is already a usr/lib/udev/bluetooth_serial file in the bluetooth-pcmcia package....11:38
dholbachlet me see what was in 3.1311:39
Tonio_dholbach: sure11:39
dholbachor 3.1211:39
dholbachI think some of the files were not installed in packages intentionally11:39
dholbachbut I'm not sure11:39
Tonio_dholbach: yep you know the packaging better than me11:39
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Tonio_dholbach: well some are absolutly required for kdebluetooth for example11:39
dholbachno, I guess I don't11:39
dholbachI really hope the mobile team will pick up the bluetooth packages at some stage :)11:40
Tonio_well I'm just unsure what to do with the bluetooth_serial script and where it is supposed to be.....11:41
dholbachTonio_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/59611:41
dholbachthat was missing in 3.1211:41
dholbachso I'd leave those file out11:41
dholbachrest of the stuff can go to bluez-utils11:41
dholbach... I guess11:41
Tonio_etc/udev/bluetooth.rules ?11:41
Tonio_weird it is not required ;)11:42
Tonio_okay let's do the same way, indeed11:42
Tonio_at least it'll fix kdebluetooth11:42
dholbachI guess we have our own udev rules somewhere else already11:42
dholbachI wouldn't really like to mess with udev stuff11:42
dholbachrock on11:42
=== norsetto wonders if dholbach ever sleep .....
=== dholbach hugs Tonio_
dholbachnorsetto: I'm in Boston :)11:42
dholbachso it's 17:42 for me11:42
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nixternaldholbach: have you gone to the Salty Dog yet?11:43
sistpotyhi folks11:43
norsettodholbach: ah! this explains why you suddendly disappeared :-)11:43
dholbachnixternal: no - what is it?11:43
bddebianHeya sistpoty11:43
dholbachhey sistpoty11:43
=== dholbach hugs sistpoty
sistpotyhi bddebian and dholbach11:43
=== sistpoty hugs dholbach
dholbachyeah, sorry - I was and still am quite busy over here11:43
sistpotyand dholbach w.b. from holidays ;)11:43
norsettosistpoty: hiya11:43
dholbachthanks sistpoty :)11:43
nixternaldholbach: it is a great bar down by Fanuel (spelling) Hall11:43
sistpotyhi norsetto11:44
dholbachnixternal: I guess I'll be there during UDS :)11:44
nixternalSalty Dog Seafood Grille & Bar....great baked beans, clam chowder, and brooohahaha11:44
norsettonixternal: no, pls. no more clam chowder!11:45
nixternalwe don't have good clam chowder in Chicago11:45
bddebianThere is no such thing as "good" clam chowder :-)11:46
nixternalhow about a Philly Cheese Steak then?11:47
bddebianw00t, now you are talking :-)11:47
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AndyPhi folks11:47
norsettohey andy11:47
bddebianHeya AndyP11:47
nixternalChicago just has the best pizza and the best hot dogs...how the hell anyone could have the best hotdogs is beyond me11:47
AndyPjust thought i'd show my face before you guys forget me :)11:48
sistpotyhi AndyP11:48
AndyPi'm ++busy atm11:48
nixternalhowdy AndyP11:48
bddebianAndyP: Who are you again? ;-P11:48
AndyPbddebian: just one of your faithful worshipers11:48
bddebianSick bastage :-)11:49
AndyPgoing to my first conference this weekend - linuxconf.eu11:49
LaserJockhi sistpoty and dholbach11:50
sistpotyhi LaserJock11:50
norsettolong trip from Cardiff to Cambridge, be careful ....11:51
LaserJockAndyP: that sounds like linuxconf.ewwww11:51
ajmitchhey sistpoty, dholbach11:51
sistpotyhi ajmitch11:51
LaserJockhow is REVU2 coming along? :-)11:51
ajmitchdholbach: wow, what are you doing in boston already? eager for UDS? :)11:51
AndyPnorsetto: it's not too scary :)11:51
dholbachajmitch: no, not really ;-)11:52
LaserJockajmitch: he's got a *lot* of specs to draft ;-)11:52
sistpotyLaserJock: many good new ideas... interestingly siretart and /me had quite similar ones last week11:52
imbrandoni wanna come to boston ;)11:52
ajmitchLaserJock: hah11:53
ajmitchimbrandon: so do I, but it's not happening ;)11:53
sistpotyLaserJock: however siretart is actually implementing s.th. already, while I'm still fighting with revu1 ;)11:53
LaserJockI'm not sure what I'm going to do yet11:53
LaserJockI might pop in for Thursday-Sunday11:53
dholbachhave a nice evening - see you tomorrow11:54
LaserJockas that would only require 2 days off and no international flying11:54
=== sistpoty won't get vacations
ajmitchbye dholbach11:54
LaserJockcya dholbach11:54
sistpotygn8 dholbach11:54
=== ajmitch is planning to have a holiday around that time
sistpotydamn, too late11:54
ajmitchbut boston is too far & too expensive11:54
norsettosistpoty: no, too early (its 18:00 there :-))11:54
bddebianPlus it's in the EVIIIIL US :-)11:54
ajmitchand UDS isn't my idea of a real fun holiday11:54
imbrandonno idea if i'll be able to make it or not, not having a "real" job atm makes it hard to judge11:54
ajmitchimbrandon: oh?11:55
=== imbrandon is makin money the ebay way reselling stuff atm
ajmitchimbrandon: what happened to your normal job?11:55
imbrandoni got pissy with the owner11:55
imbrandonand it went from there11:55
ajmitchoh dear11:55
ajmitchthat was stupid11:55
LaserJocksounds like somebody else i know11:55
imbrandonwell considering the circumstances it wasent, it would have been my ass in jail11:55
_MMA_imbrandon: Link to ebay stuff?11:56
imbrandonand i got a nice little severance package and i've been doing "ok" reselling computer stuff on ebay so i dunno11:56
Tonio_imbrandon: but talking about the "papa" thing, we're still trying11:56
imbrandonTonio_: cool11:56
imbrandon_MMA_: user_id a_store_4_u11:57
Tonio_imbrandon: making a baby isn't as "mathematic" as building a package11:57
imbrandonbrb dinner time11:57
Tonio_imbrandon: sometimes it doesn't work and you don't know why :(11:57
imbrandonTonio_: but it can be alot funner11:57
LaserJockTonio_: no HowTos on the forum?!?11:57
Tonio_LaserJock: I searched a bit11:57
Tonio_LaserJock: not even wikipedia has the key in fact :(11:57
LaserJockmy gosh :-)11:58
Tonio_imbrandon: sure it is hehe :)11:58
LaserJockI don't know, math can be pretty darn invigorating ;-)11:58
sistpotygrml... bzr gives a traceback when trying to commit to a http:// address11:59
bddebianNo shix11:59
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ajmitchthat's not so good12:00
sistpotyii  bzr                               0.18-112:00
=== ajmitch would expect it gives a nice error message rather than traceback
=== sistpoty as well, but at least I saw my error soon enough
bddebianHow are the bugs on LP for a package that doesn't exist?12:01
bddebianI'm looking at nssbackup from REVu and he references bug #s in the changelog12:02
LaserJockbugs can be filed against ubuntu12:02
sistpotybddebian: maybe debian bugs?12:02
ajmitchespecially if it's a needs-packaging bug12:03
LaserJockyou don't have to file a bug against a package12:03
bddebianOh apparently he has it as upstream on LP, sheesh.. :-)12:03
LaserJockhmm, that's interesting12:03
LaserJock!info mpfr12:04
ubotuPackage mpfr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas12:04
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geser!info libmpfr112:05
ubotulibmpfr1: multiple precision floating-point computation. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1.dfsg.1-1 (feisty), package size 271 kB, installed size 440 kB12:05
LaserJockwhat the12:06
LaserJockit doesn't take source package?12:06
geseropen a wishlist bug against ubotu12:06
sistpoty!info src:libmpfr112:07
ubotuPackage srclibmpfr1 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas12:07
LaserJockman, I hate filing bugs :/12:07
geserLaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+filebug12:09
LaserJockI'm there ...12:09
bddebianGah, I think that's enough "reviewing" for a bit..12:09
geserbddebian: NPFU is on Aug 30th12:10
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bddebiangeser: I know12:11
geserLaserJock: New Packages Freeze for Universe12:12
bddebianAre we going to shut off REVU until Gutsy+1 opens? :-)12:12
LaserJockI know what it means, I just had an alternate pop into my head ;-)12:12
kompozergeser: NPFU is over yet or is there still some time?12:13
tonyyarussoHas anyone yet declared a UTC _time_ on the 30th?12:13
sistpotybddebian: when revu will get migrated to its new server, only $DEITY knows if the packages will accidentilly get lost ;)12:13
bddebiansistpoty: Hehe12:13
geserkompozer: afaik it isn't in effect yet12:14
kompozergeser: *pfoooh* good thing12:14
geserkompozer: but hurry, you have less than 24 hours12:15
kompozergeser: I know12:15
=== kompozer can
bddebianDamn, somone look at boswars then.. It's already got 2 advocates but I don't trust myself and I don't know conNP well enough12:17
kompozergeser: what needs to be done besides uploading the files to REVU?12:17
bddebiankompozer: Is what's on REVU OK?  I got the impression that you had more to do?12:17
tonyyarussobddebian: there will be a new one very shortly12:17
norsettokompozer: according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule NPFU is already in place12:18
geserkompozer: it needs to be reviewed and  uploaded to the archive before the deadline12:18
tonyyarussonorsetto: It doesn't say that...12:18
LaserJocknorsetto: it's the 29th here for like 9 more hours12:18
kompozerwell, my files have been waiting for the upload all day, so I hope somebody will review them on time now12:18
norsettotonyyarusso: at the start of the date, UTC, I read it its over since two hours12:18
LaserJocknorsetto: it's more like end of day12:19
bddebianThat's what I thought12:19
=== tonyyarusso wonders if someone authoritative should update the wiki
norsettolaserjock: thats what I thought too, but in that page it says different12:19
kompozerI really hope I didn't work like a dumb*** for nothing with this release12:19
LaserJockit's pretty loose12:20
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LaserJockwell, how many pressing packages do we have?12:20
LaserJockthink we can do boswars, imageinfo, avant-window-navigator, and kompozer ?12:22
sistpotybddebian: the debdiff for boswars looks when I last reviewed it looks quite reasonable, and back then it was in a very good shape12:22
LaserJockthat takes care of all the ones with 1 vote12:22
sistpotybddebian: so I'd say upload it (since you gave a +1)12:22
bddebianI don't want to get in any more trouble ;-P12:23
=== tonyyarusso wishes things had progress bars
LaserJockjust get over it and upload :-)12:23
sistpotyok, then I'll upload it... (after a quick rebuild=12:23
ajmitchwhat is kompozer waiting on?12:23
kompozerajmitch: un upload on REVU + a review12:23
tonyyarussoajmitch: A new source package to be built from existing files and upload to REVU.12:23
norsettoLaserjock: btw, is an updated package a new package for the NFPU?12:23
LaserJocknorsetto: no12:24
ajmitchok, then get on with uploading :)12:24
=== tonyyarusso will as soon as his internet connection gets into gear
=== ajmitch isn't available for reviewing, though
norsettolaserjock: ok, so I still have time until beta for conky, still waiting a new tarball from upstream12:24
tonyyarussoAlthough, this is _way_ less painful than doing this on dialup last spring :P12:24
bddebiansistpoty: I'll do it :)12:24
sistpotybddebian: ok, great :)12:25
LaserJocknorsetto: no, the Upstream Version Freeze has past already12:25
bigonStevenK: are you there?12:25
norsettolaserjock: yes, but I would require an UVFe anyhow, the package in gutsy now has bad licenses12:25
LaserJockok, who's gonna take avant-window-navigator?12:25
LaserJocknorsetto: NEW packages don't require a UVFe until after NPFU12:26
norsettolkaserjock: you just said an update is not like a new for NPFU!?12:26
norsettokaserjock :-)12:26
tonyyarussonorsetto: Was it in feisty or prior, or only on previous uploads to REVU?12:27
LaserJocknorsetto: new upstream versions are frozen at Upstream Version Freeze12:27
gesernorsetto: use tab-completion :)12:27
norsettoit was in feisty12:27
LaserJocknorsetto: UVF applies to packages already in the archives12:28
LaserJocknorsetto: NPFU is for pakcages that are not already in the archives12:28
norsettofeisty version is 1.4.5, expecting 1.4.7 to make the update (1.4.6 still had bad licenses)12:28
LaserJockso you need to do a UVFe12:28
norsettoLaserJock: yes, so whats wrong with what I said? That I need to require an UVFe?12:28
norsettoLaserJock: anyhow, can't do a thing until I get the bloody tarball, waiting for that since a month12:29
LaserJockI thought you were saying it didn't need a UVFe because it wasn't a NEW package12:29
norsettoLaserJock: sorry, must be my english :-)12:29
LaserJockor mine ;-)12:29
LaserJockso, maybe kompozer can be the last before NPFU?12:32
=== kompozer agrees on that
LaserJockunless Ubuntu Archive has some objection12:34
LaserJockbut they haven't in the past12:34
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