[01:03] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: ping
[01:13] <ryanakca> What's the very latest I can merge from Debian? The maintainer doesn't seem to want to apply the debdiff I provided untill he fixes a couple other changes...
[01:13] <ryanakca> bug 132587
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132587
[01:13] <ryanakca> It causes bzflag not to run. At all
[01:18] <ajmitch> depends if it's a new upstream version
[01:18] <ryanakca> ajmitch: no, same version
[01:18] <ajmitch> but it does need to be fixed, whichever way you go about it
[01:20] <ajmitch> you have up until a few days before release at the *very* latest
[01:20] <ajmitch> but don't think of leaving it that long
[01:20] <ryanakca> so, the cutoff date for merging, after which I'll have to stick it into Ubuntu, and then drop it at the next merge/gutsy+1 ?
[01:20] <ryanakca> ok
[01:20] <ryanakca> so... mid septemberish at the latest seems reasonable?
[01:21] <ajmitch> I guess
[01:23] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Fair enough, leave debian/copyright alone. My other three (four?) points still need to be addressed. :-)
[01:26] <kompozer> StevenK: ok for the debian/copyright, but for the other points I have some questions
[01:27] <kompozer> StevenK: if the README.Debian is  completely pointless , could we just remove it?
[01:27] <kompozer> StevenK: (3) KompoZer's manual page is in the debian dir, what else do we need?
[01:28] <StevenK> kompozer: Certainly.
[01:29] <StevenK> kompozer: Why isn't the manual page distributed in the .orig tarball is my main point about the manual page in the debian directory.
[01:29] <kompozer> oh
[01:29] <kompozer> I blatantly copied the way the Firefox package was done
[01:30] <kompozer> that's the only reason why it's in the debian dir
[01:30] <StevenK> Is it distributed in the .orig as well?
[01:30] <kompozer> dunno
[01:31] <StevenK> It's something to keep in mind, not a show-stopped.
[01:31] <kompozer> I don't think so, Mozilla apps usually don't include man pages AFAIK
[01:31] <StevenK> Er, show-stopper.
[01:31] <kompozer> ok
[01:33] <kompozer> about the patches: (4) kompozer.patch is just a test tool, it's been removed. (5) amd64.patch is already applied, the corresponding line has been deleted. (6) the calls to debhelper programs that were commented out in debian/rules have been deleted as well
[01:34] <StevenK> Okay, way cool.
[01:34] <kompozer> getting better
[01:34] <StevenK> Sort out README.Debian, and I think I can rubber stamp it.
[01:34] <kompozer> ok, I also need to remove all non-free files from the .orig tarball (asac's request)
[01:35] <kompozer> I'm working on this
[01:35] <StevenK> kompozer: As upstream, or a repack?
[01:36] <kompozer> as you wish
[01:42] <kompozer> StevenK: I didn't even know there were some non-free files in the tarball. I've removed them, I check KompoZer still builds without them, then I can make another source tarball with a "dfsg" suffix. Would that be ok?
[01:42] <StevenK> kompozer: That's a repack. Absolutely fine.
[02:16] <ward_> is it safe to use a .deb made for 7.10 on 7.04?
[02:16] <Nafallo> no
[02:16] <ward_> Nafallo, can it be safe? or is it just something thats never safe?
[02:16] <Nafallo> yes
[02:17] <ward_> yes on the last one?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> it can be, but its unusal
[02:17] <ward_> i want to use open movie editor, google said theres a deb for 7.10
[02:18] <ward_> someone requested it for 7.04 they closed the request because there's alrleady a 7.10 deb ready for it, so i was wondering if i could use it
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> doubt it, but not really a motu question is it?
[02:18] <ward_> i'm not sure
[02:18] <Nafallo> sounds like backport / jdong
[02:19] <ward_> Nafallo, what is baclport /jdong? (software?)
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ward_, jdong leads the backport effort (iirc)
[02:19] <ward_> Kamping_Kaiser, what channel should i ask this?
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ward_, iirc thers a -backports
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i know theres a backports list, and they have a page on the wiki describing how to file backport requests
[02:20] <ward_> Kamping_Kaiser, aha so what i can do is see if there's a backport available and if not, request it?
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ward_, visit packages.ubuntu.com to check
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ward_, and if not look it up on irc/wiki
[02:21] <ward_> Kamping_Kaiser, ok
[02:21] <ward_> Kamping_Kaiser, i'll try
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> or email
[02:21] <ward_> thanx for the help
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:24] <ward_> damn, none there, then i'll stick with cinelerra :-)
[02:24] <ward_> thanx for the help i'm out
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> fair enough
[03:00] <imbrandon> msg superm1_ ping
[03:01] <ajmitch> heh
[03:01] <imbrandon> oops
[03:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:01] <ajmitch> it could be worse
[03:02] <ajmitch> msg nickerv identify s3cr3t
[03:02] <imbrandon> heh true
[03:02] <imbrandon> man i hate computers sometimes
[03:02] <ajmitch> only sometimes?
[03:03] <ajmitch> you don't spend nearly enough time with them then
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi both
[03:03] <imbrandon> cat /dev/video0 > ~/blah.mpg works perfect , well atleaste records video from my tv card ( hapauge (sp?) pvr-150 ) but no tv viewer apps work
[03:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh
[03:05] <imbrandon> any ideas anyone ( sides google , witch i'm using )
[03:10] <sladen> imbrandon: (not knowing what I'm talking about), but is /dev/video0 a firewire DV interface, rather than a Video4Linux one
[03:12] <imbrandon> no its a v4l one, its a pci wintv pvr-150 card
[03:12] <imbrandon> from hapauge (sp?)
[03:20] <imbrandon> vlc seems to open it on pvr:// also if that matters
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <bddebian> Damn, still no Hobbsee?
[03:31] <ajmitch> no, hobbsee has a life as well
[03:31] <bddebian> Oh, heya ajmitch
[03:31] <bddebian> You can probably help me :-)
[03:31] <ajmitch> probably not
[03:31] <bddebian> I can do a pw recover on REVU :-(
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, hi mate
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser
[03:32] <bddebian> Err s/can/cannot/
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you still a REVU admin?
[03:35] <ajmitch> yes
[03:35] <bddebian> Oh heh :-)
[03:35] <ajmitch> because the account was created but no gpg id is set
[03:35] <ajmitch> tell me it now
[03:36] <bddebian> You mean the e-mail for my gpg or my key?
[03:36] <ajmitch> gpg id, I said
[03:37] <ajmitch> never mind, I'll look it up
[03:38] <bddebian> Sorry I'm a little foggy headed today (ear infection)
[03:40] <ajmitch> ok, that didn't work at asll
[03:40] <ajmitch> s/asll/all/
[03:40] <bddebian> :-(
[03:40] <ajmitch> probably because it uses the email address
[03:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: No workie?
[03:45] <ajmitch> that's what I said
[03:45] <bddebian> Anything you need from me?
[03:46] <ajmitch> no
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ah, OK, sorry
[03:51] <sn9> imbrandon: use mplayer
[05:00] <bddebian> Holy crap lmms is apig
[05:04] <moquist> is it OK for a postinst script to use bash instead of sh?
[05:04] <bddebian> Why?
[05:05] <moquist> sh is unhappy with this:
[05:05] <moquist> if [ $(wc -l <<<"$o") != 1 ] ; then
[05:05] <moquist> I wrote and tested in bash. :(
[05:06] <moquist> That's the first problem. There may be others past this one; I'm not sure. Is it a problem if I use bash?
[05:06] <bddebian> It should be fixable I would think.  Unfortunately I'm no where near helpful in that arena. :-(
[05:06] <moquist> Section 10.4 in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html seems to imply that bash is OK...
[05:06] <bddebian> For debian it is, Ubuntu has moved to dash afaik
[05:06] <moquist> Oh, I'm sure there are 10 ways to do this in sh. But it would be nicer if I can just change the shebang...
[05:07] <moquist> Should I ask this in #ubuntu-devel?
[05:07] <moquist> Should I not ask this in #ubuntu-devel?
[05:08] <bddebian> Someone here can probably answer, I just don't know for sure, sorry.  You should be able to ask in -devel though.
[05:13] <StevenK> moquist: wc -l <<<"$o" is the same as echo "$o" | wc -l
[05:14] <StevenK> moquist: If it's a trivial one line change to not use a bashism, do that. If the script is full of them, change the shebang line.
[05:15] <The-Kernel> hi
[05:15] <StevenK> Argh, the kernel has learnt to speak.
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> (...is it honestly called the "shebang line"?)
[05:15] <The-Kernel> I would like to add an item to the package list for Xubuntu, its a menu icon for the proccess manager
[05:15] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Shebang, hash-bang ... both the same thing
[05:16] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29
[05:16] <moquist> StevenK: right; I've been told in -devel not to use bash. *shrug*
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: nice
[05:20] <StevenK> moquist: The last time I looked at a package having problems installing due to dash, the diff to remove all of the bashisms was 145 lines. I changed the shebang line and got on with my life. :-)
[05:22] <bddebian> Hobbsee: !!
[05:23] <ajmitch> yes, that's a Hobbsee
[05:24] <Hobbsee> bddebian!
[05:24] <Hobbsee> so it seems, anyway
[05:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: If you want me to review, can you help me fix my REVU account? :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> Hmm, would it make more sense for a .desktop and icon to be in a -common package or is that bad form?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh, you're not a reviewer?  which address do you use to login?
[05:25] <bddebian> bddebian@comcast.net
[05:25] <StevenK> It'll make more sense for the desktop and icon to be in the package that provides the binary so you don't confuse the user.
[05:26] <bddebian> StevenK: Ah, that makes sense.  I was thinking the common would be nice since it was arch independent
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: done.  Altering bddebian@comcast.net to level reviewer
[05:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well that's nice but I can't login because I can't recover my pw ;-)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> oh, sigh.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bddebian: there's a p/w set here, you should be able to
[05:29] <ajmitch> should & can don't always match up
[05:29] <Hobbsee> true
[05:30] <ajmitch> but that's no fun
[05:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:30] <Hobbsee> oh darn, this connection really is limited.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> (to 56k)
[05:32] <ajmitch> luxury
[05:33] <bddebian> Nice
[05:33] <Hobbsee> takes a while to rsync an iso from, though
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> lol bug - getting the login prompt showing on-screen before the boot messages are done.  (feisty)
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i noticed that. irritating as hell.
[05:38] <StevenK> So did I, come to to think of it.
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> Any way to fix it?
[05:39] <StevenK> Hit Enter after the boot finishes and deal?
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> heh
[07:30] <khermans_> got a new packages, metasploit3
[07:30] <khermans_> has justin wray come by to try adding it yet?
[07:30] <khermans_> bug marked as FIX COMMITED
[07:31] <khermans_> if anyone has this info, please contact me
[07:31] <khermans_> kristian.hermansen@gmail.com
[07:31] <khermans_> looking to get metasploit into multiverse for Gutsy, package was made earlier
[07:31] <khermans_> thanks...
[07:47] <RAOF> khermans_: Didn't that have crazy licencing problems?
[07:47] <khermans_> RAOF, yeah but its all worked out
[07:48] <RAOF> Ah, cool.
[07:48] <khermans_> RAOF, we found that basiclaly anything can be placed in multiverse if it allows redistribution
[07:48] <RAOF> What bug is marked as fix committed, incidentally.
[07:49] <khermans_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102212
[07:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102212 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Metasploit Framework 3.0 (multiverse)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] 
[07:49] <khermans_> so i am wondering when the package will be installable form apt
[07:49] <khermans_> i updated to latest Gutsy, apt update, but dont see it
[07:50] <khermans_> if you find out, please let me know
[07:50] <khermans_> i am damn tired, moving from boston to san francisco, got tons to do tonight and tomorrow
[07:50] <khermans_> but i wanted to make sure this was all set since cutoff date is tomorrow
[07:51] <RAOF> khermans_: Aaah, so it's actually on REVU now, presumably.
[07:51] <khermans_> the 30th... for multiverse new package
[07:51] <khermans_> REVU ?
[07:52] <RAOF> khermans_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=121
[07:52] <khermans_> i am reading the second hit
[07:52] <khermans_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[07:53] <khermans_> hrmm i dont see it in there...
[07:53] <khermans_> oh ok nm
[07:53] <khermans_> it is in there
[07:53] <khermans_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=121
[07:56] <RAOF> khermans_: It looks like it needs some work.
[07:56] <khermans_> RAOF, a few things, but not much
[07:57] <khermans_>  the errors from linda are warnings, intentionally we left them in
[07:57] <khermans_> lintian warnings
[07:57] <khermans_> it is complaining about .svn directories
[07:57] <StevenK> So repack the tarball
[07:57] <khermans_> SteveA, no we want the svn entries in the release
[07:58] <RAOF> Installing files to /usr/local is a very bad thing, too.
[07:58] <khermans_> due to the nature of the package, it needs security updates, so leaving the .svn for updating is ideal
[07:58] <khermans_> RAOF, yeah that needs ot be ficxed
[07:58] <khermans_> justin was not supposed to upload a pakcage with /usr/local
[07:59] <StevenK> khermans_: That's *BAD*.
[07:59] <khermans_> SteveA, whats bad?
[07:59] <StevenK> I'm not SteveA
[07:59] <khermans_> .svn?
[07:59] <khermans_> StevenK, ..
[07:59] <StevenK> Do NOT encourage users to update installed packages using SVN.
[07:59] <khermans_> StevenK, but i think you are missing the point
[08:00] <khermans_> StevenK, metasploit is a security tool
[08:00] <ScottK2> khermans_: I don't imagine he is.
[08:00] <khermans_> there will not be a new release for every update
[08:00] <khermans_> StevenK, the point is we could remove .svn, but it would make the package pretty much useless
[08:00] <khermans_> 6 month old security exploits are too old
[08:00] <StevenK> But there are better ways than using SVN ...
[08:01] <khermans_> StevenK, yes, but not for a package with restrictive licensing
[08:01] <khermans_> we cant modify and make an auto-update feature
[08:01] <StevenK> Ways that don't make baby Jesus cry, for example.
[08:01] <khermans_> StevenK, ideally yes, but this is multiverse world
[08:01] <khermans_> StevenK, i understand the reasons for why this is bad
[08:01] <khermans_> fully...
[08:01] <khermans_> so let me know how you would do it?
[08:02] <StevenK> Agreed.
[08:02] <khermans_> ScottK2, just means we have less control...
[08:02] <RAOF> khermans_: If the package in useless as shipped, why would we ship it?
[08:02] <ScottK2> khermans_: Who is the "we" in that statement?
[08:02] <khermans_> RAOF, its not *useless*, but just old and outdated
[08:02] <StevenK> I seriously doubt anyone would advocate that package.
[08:03] <khermans_> ScottK, "we" are people modifying the package
[08:03] <khermans_> or maintaining it
[08:03] <khermans_> StevenK, how can we make it advocated?
[08:03] <khermans_> StevenK, what needs to be fixeD?
[08:04] <khermans_> we will work with whatever it needs to get there
[08:04] <StevenK> But not using methods that are crack-addled?
[08:04] <khermans_> StevenK, crack-addled?
[08:04] <StevenK> Yes. Updating installed packages using SVN is utter crack.
[08:04] <khermans_> StevenK, do you know what metasploit is?
[08:04] <khermans_> StevenK, for normal packages i would agree
[08:05] <khermans_> lets say its microsoft tuesday, a patch is released
[08:05] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[08:05] <khermans_> on wednesday hdm uploads a new exploit for metasploit into svn
[08:05] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[08:05] <khermans_> to make it easy for the user, we need to keep svn around
[08:06] <ajmitch> this sounds excruciatingly bad
[08:06] <khermans_> any suggestions please?
[08:06] <khermans_> ajmitch, so what is the solution?
[08:06] <ajmitch> separate the package & the data that needs to be updated?
[08:06] <khermans_> ajmitch, into what?
[08:06] <khermans_> there are many many modules
[08:06] <ajmitch> so that you can ship with some old stuff & update to newer crack in a directory under /var/cache/ for example?
[08:07] <ajmitch> that's nice
[08:07] <khermans_> ajmitch, well then i guess we cant get metasploit into multiverse
[08:07] <khermans_> the license prevents modification
[08:07] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[08:07] <khermans_> we already submitted patches to them, and they integrated our changes
[08:08] <khermans_> and this is the best we can do
[08:08] <khermans_> ajmitch, lots of people would like to see metasploit in ubuntu
[08:08] <ajmitch> it sounds like something that's not really intended for a distro release if you must have the very latest & you can't update data separately
[08:08] <ajmitch> lots of people would like to see automatix in ubuntu
[08:08] <khermans_> ajmitch, automatix sucks
[08:08] <khermans_> ajmitch, metasploit does not :-)
[08:08] <ajmitch> my point stands
[08:08] <StevenK> At least we can agree on one point.
[08:08] <khermans_> ajmitch, so shall i tell the metasploit guys they suck?
[08:08] <ajmitch> the "lots of people" argument isn't the most convincing :)
[08:09] <ajmitch> khermans_: you can if you really really want
[08:09] <khermans_> ajmitch, but this doesnt break your system as automatix does (exclude the /usr/local) problem
[08:09] <RAOF> khermans_: You really, really can't ship the data separately?
[08:09] <ajmitch> but that would be twisting what I said
[08:10] <khermans_> RAOF, http://www.metasploit.com/projects/Framework/msf3/download.html?Release=alpha-r3
[08:10] <khermans_> license is there
[08:10] <khermans_> we cant make modifications to the release
[08:10] <khermans_> i went over this license with a bunch of poeple in here a few weeks back, and the consensus was that it could go into multiverse if we didn't modify it
[08:11] <khermans_> because MSF allows redistribution
[08:11] <RAOF> Why must everyone write their own bad licence?
[08:11] <khermans_> RAOF, i agree
[08:11] <khermans_> RAOF, i told hdm about this
[08:11] <khermans_> they are making new license for next big release
[08:12] <khermans_> shall i point them to something -- they wont do GPL for sure
[08:13] <khermans_> RAOF, even if we could ship the data separately, i wouldn't want to create a new package every few days for ubuntu!
[08:13] <khermans_> thats ludicrous
[08:13] <RAOF> It's a pity that license is so bad.
[08:13] <khermans_> :-(
[08:13] <RAOF> Otherwise you could patch the software, and add an autoupdate-data type script.
[08:14] <khermans_> RAOF, we cant patch
[08:14] <RAOF> Yes, I know.
[08:14] <ajmitch> spamassassin has a useful script like that
[08:14] <khermans_> hrm
[08:14] <RAOF> It's a pity that you can't.
[08:14] <ajmitch> khermans_: not your fault, sorry :)
[08:15] <khermans_> ahh whatever
[08:15] <khermans_> im just going to copy and paste this irc log to msfdev team
[08:15] <RAOF> Because as it stands, it's just not worth packaging, really.
[08:15] <khermans_> let those bastards sort it out...
[08:15] <RAOF> Even if that license made it through archive-admin scrutiny.
[08:15] <khermans_> i c ... too bad...
[08:16] <khermans_> to, just for the record, the correct solution is to modify the license
[08:16] <RAOF> You posted a debian-legal thread earlier, right?
[08:16] <khermans_> and to separate the packages into code/data portions
[08:16] <khermans_> not have them update via svn
[08:16] <khermans_> RAOF, yes
[08:17] <RAOF> And that debian-legal thread pretty much said "Woah, we can't touch this with a 10' asbestos pole!", IIRC.
[08:17] <khermans_> And what license could they use that would allow them to retain rights so other people don't sell their software under another name, but allows us to make such changes?
[08:17] <khermans_> RAOF, lol
[08:17] <ScottK2> Any MOTU reviewing image info right now?
[08:18] <RAOF> khermans_: Well... I don't know.  That's not a free license that they're after.
[08:18] <RAOF> But there has to be *some* existing OSI approved license that they can use.
[08:18] <khermans_> ok well thanks for the chat ... i will just forget about it for now ...
[08:18] <khermans_> thanks guys :-)
[08:18] <ScottK2> I think (but am not sure) that software with a no commercial redistribution clause can go into multiverse.
[08:19] <khermans_> ScottK, yes i think we established that
[08:19] <ScottK2> OK
[08:20] <RAOF> ScottK2: That's not the actual issue, though.
[08:20] <ScottK2> It's not?
[08:20] <ScottK2> I thought the issue was preventing someone else selling their stuff?
[08:20] <RAOF> It was, among other things, the "you will defend the developers" clause, IIRC.
[08:20] <ScottK2> Ah.  That one.  Yeah.  I would never advocate that.
[08:21] <khermans_> ScottK2, yeah but i guess they need to work out a change for updating properly
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> A what clause?
[08:21] <khermans_> RAOF, that was a big clause :-)
[08:21] <ScottK2> Basically they wanted to say that if you redistribute their software and they get sued, you'll defend them
[08:21] <khermans_> Indemnification
[08:21] <khermans_> You agree to indemnify, hold harmless, and defend Developer and
[08:21] <khermans_> Developer's owners, contributors, agents, and business partners from and
[08:21] <khermans_> against any and all claims or actions including reasonable legal expenses
[08:21] <khermans_> that arise or result from Your use of or inability to use the Software.
[08:21] <khermans_> Developer agrees to notify You and reasonably cooperate with Your defense
[08:21] <khermans_> of any third party claim triggering such indemnification.
[08:22] <RAOF> Also, that licence didn't seem like it allowed redistribution, except by pressing the "I accept" button on the website.
[08:22] <RAOF> However, IANAL :)
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> crazy
[08:26] <ScottK2> The internet connection in this hotel is do "wonderful" I feel like I must be visiting NZ.
[08:26] <ScottK2> do/so
[08:27] <StevenK> Careful.
[08:53] <lucas> hi
[08:53] <ScottK2> Hello
[08:53] <lucas> stupid question from a MOTU who hasn't uploaded for a long time (me):
[08:54] <lucas> when modifying a package, should I set XSBC-Original-Maintainer manually, or will it magically be taken care of?
[08:54] <ScottK2> Manually.
[08:55] <lucas> noone has written a script to make the change automatically?
[08:55] <ScottK2> As I understand it (and I'm not sure)....
[08:55] <ScottK2> There is a maintainer mangler script that they run, but we are still supposed to do it.
[08:55] <ScottK2> Dunno if there is a reason for that or if they just forgot to tell us to stop...
[08:56] <ScottK2> I have forgotten to make the change earlier in the cycle and it made it into the archives unchanged, I'll look up the date.
[08:57] <lucas> ok, thank you
[08:58] <ScottK2> July 11 I did a bad upload that was not automagically mangled.  Dunno for sure what's happened since then.
[08:59] <ScottK2> It was "OK" I suppose since I'm the Debian maintainer for the package in question, but ...
[09:03] <lucas> gn
[09:03] <mok0> G'night
[09:16] <mok0> What happens to the software in REVU at NPF?
[09:28] <siretart> npf?
[09:28] <mok0> new package freeze
[09:28] <mok0> ... tomorrow
[09:28] <siretart> will not be processed until gutsy+1 opens
[09:29] <norsetto> morning all
[09:29] <norsetto> zul: can you please have a look at bug 133293?
[09:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133293 in cecilia "[unmetdepds]  cecilia has unmet dependancies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133293
[09:30] <Hobbsee> siretart: may as well archive, on that basis.
[09:30] <norsetto> ubotu: good morning, a bit slow today eh, need some coffee?
[09:31] <siretart> Hobbsee: right
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> !coffee
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coffee - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <siretart> !revu
[09:31] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:32] <norsetto> !ppa
[09:32] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[09:32] <siretart> oh, my. the ubuntu wiki still has references to tiber, which is dead :(
[09:32] <siretart> could someone update that?
[09:32] <norsetto> siretart: which page?
[09:33] <siretart> !revu
[09:33] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:33] <siretart> that one
[09:33] <\sh> siretart, is revu now hosted by canonical or still outside the CDC?
[09:34] <siretart> \sh: atm, revu is hosted at the department of computer siences 4, operating systems at university of erlangen
[09:34] <\sh> siretart, cool :)
[09:34] <siretart> (that's where I'm currently working as PhD student)
[09:34] <RAOF> Anyone want to run their eyes over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125 ?  I think it's ready to go.
[09:34] <siretart> \sh: whats even more cool is that it is running on ununtu/sparc!
[09:35] <\sh> siretart, and can build i386/x86_64 packages? more coolnees ,-)
[09:35] <\sh> s/nees/ness/ ,-)
[09:35] <siretart> no, it doesn't build anything anymore
[09:35] <norsetto> siretart: what is the right email for keyring syncing now? Was keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[09:35] <\sh> siretart, so the pbuilders are removed, just the webapp is running
[09:35] <siretart> it is currently running on a poor old ultra10, but we have a replacement machine, a faster ultra 30 for that ready to be setup
[09:36] <siretart> norsetto: there is no email for that right now
[09:36] <siretart> norsetto: this irc channel is your best choice
[09:36] <norsetto> siretart: ok, I just delete that entry
[09:37] <Hobbsee> RAOF: looks fine, but i've not test built, etc.
[09:37] <norsetto> siretart: admin@tiber.tauware.de too I guess?
[09:37] <siretart> \sh: right. atm every motu has access to that machine, since it is part of the ubuntuwire network. we need to rethink that when we move it from sparky to spooky
[09:37] <Hobbsee> norsetto: you may as well email siretart directly if you're going to do that
[09:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I can email you the buildlog if you like :)
[09:37] <siretart> norsetto: right. tiber is dead, and so are all tiber email adresses
[09:37] <norsetto> siretart: ok
[09:38] <siretart> I could perhaps create a mailman list if we decide its a good idea
[09:40] <cfalc1> good morning all!
[09:41] <cfalc1> now I understand why my email to tiber weren't delivered ;)
[09:42] <norsetto> siretart: I will add that to register as a reviewer they should also contact one of the admins here
[09:44] <cfalc1> I've updated my package following norsetto's comments
[09:44] <cfalc1> would anyone have a look at
[09:44] <cfalc1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=131
[09:44] <cfalc1> ?
[09:44] <cfalc1> thanks!
[09:44] <norsetto> cfalc1: bad news cesare, still fails to build on amd64
[09:45] <siretart> norsetto: good idea
[09:46] <cfalc1> alas! I tried to activate my ppa on launchpad
[09:46] <norsetto> siretart: ok, looks good, you can check it at the usual address: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:46] <cfalc1> but I'm still waiting for admittance in the beta tester
[09:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: acking.
[09:46] <cfalc1> so I couldn't test it
[09:46] <norsetto> cfalc1: you can ask in #launchpad for help on that
[09:47] <cfalc1> great! thanks! :)
[09:48] <cfalc1> both lindia and lintian complain about section multiverse/games
[09:48] <cfalc1> is that right?
[09:49] <cfalc1> linda, of course ;)
[09:49] <norsetto> cfalc1: on the .deb?
[09:49] <cfalc1> yes
[09:50] <RAOF> So!  One more for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125 ?
[09:50] <norsetto> cfalc1: ok, can't check as I can't build it
[09:50] <cfalc1> norsetto, could you please email me the build log, please?
[09:51] <norsetto> cfalc1: same as before
[09:51] <siretart> norsetto: excellent. thanks
[09:51] <cfalc1> norsetto, ok
[09:51] <cfalc1> thanks
[09:51] <mok0> I'd like to get http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=108 reviewed, I think it should be ready
[09:52] <norsetto> cfalc1: concerning the complain from linda, check out this: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[09:53] <Hobbsee> linda wont know about multiverse
[09:53] <norsetto> cfalf1: its possible that linda is not aware that in ubuntu non-free is multiverse
[09:53] <norsetto> hobbsee: :-)
[09:54] <cfalc1> good to know, thanks both! :)
[09:55] <ImNOTcesarefalco> ahhh, feels better now :-D
[09:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:56] <ImNOTcesarefalco> cfalc1: I see that you still do not include license.txt, so at the moment there is no upstream license; thats no good I think
[10:02] <ImNOTcesarefalco> Hobbsee: if I have a source in multiverse for a multi-binaries package, will the binaries built from it automatically in multiverse or do I need to add a  Section:
[10:02] <ImNOTcesarefalco> multiverse/xxxx in all control sections?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> ImNOTcesarefalco: you dont need to use multiverse/ at all
[10:02] <Hobbsee> ImNOTcesarefalco: it'll automatically be sent to multiverse
[10:03] <cfalc1> Imnotme :) : I copied upstream licence in debian/copyright
[10:03] <Hobbsee> unless you're playing with ppa's, of course
[10:03] <cfalc1> should I revert to original file?
[10:03] <ImNOTcesarefalco> Hobbsee: ok, you just need to say it to the archive--admins
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ImNOTcesarefalco: well, "automatically" as in the archive admins force it
[10:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, and they can usually tell anyway
[10:04] <ImNOTcesarefalco> cfalc1: the way I see it you need to add the upstream license, even if you copied it verbatim in copyright.
[10:05] <cfalc1> incf: good, I'll do it in next update
[10:05] <ImNOTcesarefalco> cafalc1: but people here should confirm this (or not)
[10:07] <ImNOTcesarefalco> cfalc1: also, you may want to copyrigth your work (that is, the package)
[10:07] <coNP> Good morning
[10:07] <ImNOTcesarefalco> coNP: all hail coNP!
[10:08] <cfalc1> incf: where should I do this? debian/copyright?
[10:09] <ImNOTcesarefalco> cfalc1: yes; for patching, have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[10:10] <Hobbsee> -i
[10:10] <cfalc1> incf: bookmarked, thanks ;)
[10:10] <coNP> Hiya Hobbsee
[10:10] <cfalc1> time to go, family's waiting :(
[10:11] <Hobbsee> and a few lightning bolts
[10:11] <ImNOTcesarefalco> conf1: you usually add something like this: The Debian packaging is (C) 2007, Cesare Falco <cesare.falco@gmail.com> and
[10:11] <ImNOTcesarefalco> is licensed under the GPL, see `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.
[10:11] <cfalc1> I'll be back this evening... thanks for all help! :)
[10:11] <cfalc1> thanks for help!
[10:11] <ImNOTcesarefalco> Hobbsee: is it heil?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> ImNOTcesarefalco: i dont think so.  i dont see a whole bunch of stupid customers around here, so it cant be.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> unless someone's let them out again
[10:13] <ImNOTcesarefalco> Hobbsee: we could do with some rain here, please keep trying
[10:13] <coNP> We have rain. Thanks Hobbsee :)
[10:14] <ImNOTcesarefalco> ok, now that my nemesis is gone, I can go to my old faithful skin
[10:14] <Hobbsee> no, no, you're not jono too
[10:15] <norsetto> we look similar actually 8-)
[10:15] <coNP> norsetto: you mean you and your nemesis?
[10:16] <norsetto> coNP: me and jono
[10:17] <norsetto> coNP: we are both cool guitar players:P
[10:17] <coNP> Yeah. And norsetto act like a MOTU community manager most of the time...
[10:18] <norsetto> coNP: I think he is actually a drummer
[10:18] <coNP> Hobbsee: can you have a look at bug 134623 and bug 134624?
[10:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134623
[10:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134624
[10:18] <norsetto> coNP: its the age coNP ... don't pay attention to it
[10:19] <Hobbsee> coNP: not now, i'm heading out
[10:19] <coNP> Okay. We have plenty of time :)
[10:20] <coNP> I might bug StevenK, soren or zul as well ...
[10:20] <coNP> Is it considered harmful? I mean pinging once a day, especially when the deadline is really-really close...
[10:21] <StevenK> It might be. :-P
[10:21] <Hobbsee> no
[10:21] <Hobbsee> well...
[10:22] <Hobbsee> well, i'm not "working" on ubuntu, by talking on irc
[10:22] <Hobbsee> well, apart from getting to know people, of course
[10:23] <StevenK> coNP: Give me one bug number, and I'll look at it now.
[10:23] <coNP> StevenK: bug 134623
[10:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134623
[10:24] <coNP> And I guess bug 134624 is needed as well ...
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134624
[10:24] <coNP> Hobbsee: I am neither "working" on Ubuntu by IRC, but it is very nice to have things coordinated.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> true
[10:27] <StevenK> coNP: I'm very curious about that changelog entry...
[10:27] <StevenK> It's for 0.1.4-1, and yet you're packaging 0.1.4-0ubuntu1
[10:28] <StevenK> If that's the case, I'd prefer you drop the 0.1.4-1 changelog entry, 1) since it's pointless, and 2) if Debian release 0.1.4-1 soonish, we can just sync it.
[10:29] <coNP> It has been filed by someone else. You are right, if we can sync still after tomorrow...
[10:30] <StevenK> Of course we can. And 0.1.4-0ubuntu1 -> 0.1.4-1 doesn't require a UVFe
[10:31] <StevenK> I won't ask you to redo the UVFe for that trivial change.
[10:32] <coNP> Oh, when is it done? I mean when there are no more UVFes accepted?
[10:32] <coNP> Which freeze, I mean
[10:33] <StevenK> Huh? EPARSE
[10:33] <coNP> Till when can UVF exceptions be accepted?
[10:34] <StevenK> Um, till the hard freeze.
[10:34] <StevenK> Which is like a week before release.
[10:34] <StevenK> coNP: Bug 134623 commented on
[10:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134623
[10:37] <coNP> Enjoy your dinner, StevenK :)
[11:00] <StevenK> RAOF: Why .... ?
[11:05] <coNP> Hey pochu!
[11:06] <pochu> howdy coNP :)
[11:22] <\sh> so...I signed the CoC again...
[11:24] <Nightrose> nice
[11:24] <coNP> Welcome :)
[11:25] <\sh> coNP, you mean "re" ,-)
[11:25] <coNP> I mean re-welcome, of course.
[11:31] <norsetto> StevenK: are u mentoring RAOF?
[11:37] <RAOF> StevenK: Because they get freaked out by polynomials-as-vector-space-elements.
[11:49] <zorglu_> q. where can i find the recomendation/definition of the purpose of each directory ? like "where do i put my pidfile" ? what should i put in "/var/lib" etc... ?
[11:50] <Lamego> hello zorglu_ I believe those are defined on LSB, anyway you can always check a daemon package, otherwise maybe with experience on that type of packages will be able to help you
[11:51] <zorglu_> Lamego: ok you remember the name for this ? it would help my search. i already read it, so i know it exists, but my memory is failing me on the name :)
[11:51] <geser> !FHS
[11:51] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[11:52] <zorglu_> thanks
[11:52] <Lamego> HFS does not cover pid files, does it ?
[11:53] <zorglu_> the pidfile was an example, even if i got some
[11:53] <zorglu_> usually i use /var/run but wanted to be sure
[11:53] <Lamego> it covers, /var/run on which pidfiles will be in, but there are some other rules :P
[11:53] <zorglu_> ok :)
[11:54] <StevenK> RAOF: Surely with good reason? :-)
[12:07] <siretart> \sh: you've signed the CoC? does this mean you intend to continue as MOTU?
[12:08] <\sh> siretart, let's see ,-)
[12:09] <\sh> siretart, I don't think that anybody will cheer for me being an ubuntu member again ,-)
[12:09] <\sh> siretart, but if you are so kind, please review the FTBFS fix for 4g8 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/4g8/+bug/135504
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135504 in 4g8 "[FTBFS]  4g8_1.0-1" [Undecided,New] 
[12:09] <\sh> hopefully I didn't forget anything...
[12:10] <siretart> uuh, why do you add dpatch for such a simple patch?!
[12:10] <siretart> most of the diff is just because of dpatch :/
[12:10] <coNP> norsetto: what about reviewing sdlmame again? :)
[12:10] <coNP> Only if you have some time, of course :)
[12:11] <norsetto> coNP: yes, I gave some comments to cfalc1 already this morning on IRC
[12:11] <coNP> Oh, cool.
[12:12] <coNP> let me know if I should advocate it :)
[12:12] <norsetto> coNP: right now no, it doesn't build on x86_64
[12:13] <\sh> siretart, so what is todays patch system? just include the patch in diff.gz?
[12:13] <siretart> \sh: I really think that for such a small fix, its easiest to just include them inline
[12:14] <\sh> siretart, good..give me a sec
[12:14] <siretart> it always depends a bit if the source package is already using some patch system or not. in this case, it is not
[12:16] <\sh> siretart, will update the debdiff just now :)
[12:17] <coNP> RAOF: is startupmanager packaged by you?
[12:17] <MehdiHassanpour> hi, will you have sync with debian unstable before Gutsy release ?
[12:18] <MehdiHassanpour> jalali-calendar package is now in debian unstable but not in universe yet
[12:18] <RAOF> coNP: No, I just did the initial review.
[12:18] <coNP> RAOF I mean http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125
[12:18] <coNP> Oh, sorry.
[12:18] <RAOF> :)
[12:18] <MehdiHassanpour> stardict is updated to 3 but still 2.4.8 in universe
[12:18] <coNP> Bixente: did you make http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125
[12:19] <RAOF> As a part of my MOTU application I've reviewed stuff. :)
[12:19] <norsetto> !fsf
[12:19] <ubotu> fsf is The Free Software Foundation. See http://www.fsf.org/
[12:19] <coNP> It fails to start
[12:19] <coNP> (if not run as root)
[12:19] <coNP> It would be nice to fix this before the first upload.
[12:19] <coNP> But I would advocate it anyway
[12:19] <RAOF> Ah.  The icon runs it under gksudo.
[12:20] <coNP> Sure. That is all right.
[12:20] <coNP> But an application should not crash if you run it from command-line
[12:20] <RAOF> And I had a look at the code, and I think it would be quite invasive to make it properly start without root privs.
[12:20] <coNP> It should output run me as root (or preferalbly) re-launch itself as "gksu $0"
[12:20] <RAOF> But that was a very brief code-sanity check.
[12:21] <RAOF> coNP: Certainly.  Oh, and that would be easy.
[12:21] <coNP> Yeah, about 4 lines in Python
[12:22] <RAOF> Bixente is the one who did the upload, and yes he should :)
[12:24] <\sh> siretart, fixed debdiff attached to the bug
[12:27] <siretart> \sh: I see a sucessful build in gutsy. how do you know that it ftbfs now?
[12:27] <\sh> siretart, lucas mail and self pbuilder run
[12:28] <siretart> oh, he already did the run?
[12:29] <\sh> siretart, yepp
[12:35] <siretart> \sh: uploaded
[12:35] <\sh> siretart, thx
[12:50] <\sh> guys, those
[12:50] <\sh> libxext-dev ftbfs packages, should I tag them with missing-libxext-dev ?
[12:59] <StevenK> How many are there?
[01:00] <\sh> 21 regarding lucas' mail from this morning
[01:02] <\sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aewm++-goodies/+bug/135522 e.g.
[01:02] <Bixente> coNP: I did this upload
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135522 in aewm++-goodies "[FTBFS]  aewm++-goodies because of missing libxext-dev build-dep" [Undecided,New] 
[01:03] <coNP> Bixente: you mean a newer one?
[01:03] <coNP> Oh, no. Just the fact.
[01:03] <Bixente> coNP: no
[01:03] <coNP> So I commented this at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=125
[01:03] <coNP> It would be very nice if you could fix this to run as non-root or at least provide some error message
[01:04] <coNP> It would be easier to fix this now and let it go, than to let it go and bug you with a bug ...
[01:05] <Bixente> coNP: thanks for the review, I understand but I don't know hwo to fix this
[01:05] <norsetto> bugger .....
[01:09] <coNP> don't we have other python config tools
[01:10] <coNP> from where we could steal the source?
[01:15] <RAOF> Bixente: You could patch the script to add a "import os\n if os.getuid() != 0 :\n print "Be root, fool!"\n os.exit(1)"
[01:21] <Bixente> RAOF: thanks, I'll try with that
[01:26] <RAOF> Bixente: Sorry, it's just "exit(1)" rather than "os.exit(1)"
[01:29] <coNP> Bixente: feel free to ping me once ready to give a 2nd ack
[01:29] <coNP> bryce: do you think we should still apply for Ubuntu Membership?
[01:29] <coNP> I guess you also have been MOTUfied since :)
[01:32] <coNP> jono: is Hardy Heron for real? I thought it would be the "Hobbsee Human LPS"...
[01:36] <ogra> LPS ?
[01:36] <ogra> you cant do that ... surely against COC in a release name :)
[01:36] <ogra> yay, acronyms
[01:38] <\sh> LPS? what does it mean?
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Long Pointy Stick
[01:38] <\sh> oh
[01:40] <\sh> ScottK, I introduced a new tag: missing-libxext-dev ...when you search for it you find the ftbfs reports I filed already with attached debdiff
[01:40] <Fujitsu> Hardy Heron can't be real... we release in like 2 months, and we've not known this far ahead of time before.
[01:40] <\sh> hardy heron sounds like a new LTS
[01:41] <Fujitsu> It is.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> Another bird, with a nice adjective.
[01:45] <Bixente> coNP: I added a patch, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=134
[01:47] <lucas> are there something similar to Debian's usertags in malone?
[01:49] <coNP> Bixente: looking
[01:51] <\sh> anyone who wants to sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kterm/+bug/135552 ?
[01:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135552 in kterm "[FTBFS]  kterm" [Undecided,New] 
[01:57] <coNP> Bixente: thanks, advocating. Please consider to send this patch upstream.
[01:59] <Bixente> coNP: thanks. np, I'll send it.
[01:59] <RAOF> Hm.  Does it actually fix it in that position?
[01:59] <coNP> RAOF: I tried to run as root. And tried to run as non-root
[02:00] <coNP> Bixente: OTOH try to find another advocate
[02:00] <RAOF> coNP: Cool.  So that strange __init__ stuff doesn't matter.
[02:00] <coNP> Bixente: I guess LongPointyStick will advocate it again if she comes back.
[02:01] <StevenK> RAOF: __init__ in Python?
[02:01] <RAOF> StevenK: Well, in the module directory.
[02:01] <coNP> \sh: still need an advocate?
[02:01] <StevenK> RAOF: #define crazy stuff?
[02:01] <StevenK> lucas: Yes. Where is this list of libxext-dev needing packages, I can mass upload them.
[02:02] <RAOF> StevenK: if __name__ == '__main__' in the init for the module.
[02:02] <StevenK> RAOF: That's not crazy, it's "If I'm called from the command-line, do ..."
[02:03] <norsetto> coNP: you will never make it for ubuntu membership
[02:03] <coNP> norsetto: sorry. I don't understand you.
[02:04] <RAOF> StevenK: Hm.  I've never really messed with the more advanced module stuff.
[02:04] <norsetto> coNP: you are already, you fool :-)
[02:04] <coNP> But you can be a direct and an indirect member...
[02:04] <norsetto> coNP: and whats the difference!?
[02:04] <lucas> StevenK: flwm libforms1 plotmtv psemu-drive-cdrmooby vflib2 wmanager wmbinclock wmclock wmnet xbat xbattbar xbattle xboing xdemineur xdigger xfishtank xhangglider xlife xvier
[02:04] <lucas> (I removed from the list the two packages that I already fixed)
[02:05] <StevenK> RAOF: It's not more advanced, it's basic Python if you've written anything more complicated than hello world. :-)
[02:06] <StevenK> lucas: Aye. I'm looking at them now.
[02:07] <StevenK> lucas: 19 packages, right?
[02:07] <coNP> \sh: uploaded. You can consider use the LP-autoclose-bug magic next time.
[02:08] <lucas> yes
[02:08] <lucas> 19 + 2 (fixed by me) = 21
[02:08] <StevenK> lucas: Oh, are there bugs for all of these?
[02:08] <lucas> I don't think so
[02:08] <norsetto> coNP: hey, why don't you give a look at my patches? I've got a couple of outstanding ones.
[02:08] <coNP> No1Viking: which ones?
[02:08] <StevenK> lucas: Fair enough.
[02:08] <coNP> norsetto: ^^^
[02:09] <RAOF> StevenK: Yes, but I've never seen that in the __init__.py for a module.  In various scripts & such, yes.  Eh.
[02:10] <norsetto> coNP: I don't think you can actually, two have been assigned to somebody already, and one is in the UVF queue
[02:11] <coNP> norsetto: UVF is beyond my powers. :)
[02:11] <norsetto> coNP: oh well, easy does it, let me prepare a new one
[02:12] <StevenK> RAOF: I'll agree, it's a bit wierd. What bozo is going to call an __init__.py from the command line? :-)
[02:12] <siretart> lucas: do you happen to know who is coordinating filing of bugs of your list?
[02:13] <RAOF> StevenK: Yes :)
[02:13] <norsetto> coNP: I see there is an outstanding merge, and the previous uploader was a certain Aron Sisak, wonder who that was
[02:13] <coNP> :D
[02:13] <coNP> norsetto: bug #?
[02:13] <norsetto> coNP: no bug # yet, is in dad (kiwi)
[02:15] <siretart> \sh: btw, did you get a copy of the ACCEPTED mail from soyuz for 4g8?
[02:16] <StevenK> Hrm. Can someone remind what script does the Maintainer mangling, and where I get it?
[02:17] <\sh> siretart, nope..I just saw it on changes
[02:18] <siretart> StevenK: if you find it, please add it to devscripts
[02:18] <siretart> \sh: hm. interesting. thanks
[02:18] <\sh> coNP: I did it now for the new one...
[02:22] <\sh> siretart, now I got the accepted mail ;)
[02:22] <siretart> \sh: yes. i bounced it manually
[02:23] <\sh> siretart, ah :)
[02:32] <StevenK> sed -e 's/Maintainer: \(.*\)$/Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>\nXSBC-Original-Maintainer: \1/' < debian/control > debian/control.mine
[02:32] <StevenK> Yummy.
[02:37] <siretart> StevenK: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/
[02:38] <StevenK> Oh, neat.
[02:38] <StevenK> I didn't think of u-d-t
[02:38] <Hobbsee> WHAT????
[02:39] <siretart> the tools in that branch still need manpages
[02:39] <siretart> xxxxx1: hey there
[02:39] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hum?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hardy herron?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> er, heron?
[02:39] <xxxxx1> hey siretart :)
[02:39] <xxxxx1> mornin' all
[02:39] <Kmos> StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/update-maintainer-transition
[02:40] <siretart> xxxxx1: did you see that panthera is maintaining ecryptfs in debian now?
[02:40] <StevenK> Oh, wah
[02:40] <xxxxx1> siretart, panthera is Daniel Baumann?
[02:46] <siretart> xxxxx1: right
[02:46] <xxxxx1> siretart, i already spoke with him.
[02:47] <siretart> xxxxx1: ah, cool. could you agree on something?
[02:51] <xxxxx1> siretart, i've forwarded a mail for you right now.
[02:51] <xxxxx1> :)
[02:52] <siretart> ah, I see. great!
[02:59] <Bixente> Hobbsee: could you please advocate this please, I've just added a patch. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=134
[03:52] <ScottK2> Or more precisely waiting for this "wonderful" hotel internet connection to finish downloading it so he can review it...
[04:10] <ScottK2> I'm not going to have time to finish wulfware right now, so if someone else wants to give it a whack, feel free.  I'll get back to it later if no one else does.
[04:12] <StevenK> lucas: The remaining 19 packages have been uploaded.
[04:16] <gnomefreak> bryce: did you start on xorg 7.3 (i heard you were looking at it) someone asked if it was gonna be included in gutsy but im thinking since upstream freeze it would have to be started
[04:16] <gnomefreak> to get into gutsy
[04:21] <mok0> Does gutsy+1 have a name yet?
[04:21] <siretart> mok0: the name will start with 'h'
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:21] <Hobbsee> it's announced.
[04:21] <siretart> Hobbsee: it is?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> siretart: yes
[04:22] <Hobbsee> siretart: ubuntu-devel-announce
[04:22] <siretart> wow. just a few moments ago :)
[04:22] <mok0> Hobbsee: Can't remember or wont tell?
[04:22] <siretart> mok0: see u-d-a
[04:22] <StevenK> I think she's trying to forget.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> mok0: you'll next ask me the rest of what was said, in which case you may as well look up the announcement and read it yourself.
[04:23] <zul> mok0: or you could check jono's blog
[04:23] <mok0> zul: I don't know where to find all these things... I have to google
[04:23] <Hobbsee> this is usually a good start, until you remmeber
[04:23] <mok0> zul: I'm a n00b
[04:23] <zul> mok0: er planet.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <siretart> mok0: you are aware of the existance of lists.ubuntu.com, and the mailing list ubuntu-devel-announce, are you?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i would have thought "jono bacon blog" would come up with a good asnwer.
[04:24] <gnomefreak> checking email for it
[04:24] <gnomefreak> ah hardy herion
[04:25] <gnomefreak> heron
[04:25] <\sh> StevenK, can you close my bugs then regarding libxext-dev ftbfs?
[04:26] <StevenK> \sh: ... I can ... I'd rather lambast you on the mailing list, can I do both? :-)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> mok0: you are expected to know how to search, so as not to require constant spoon feeding.
[04:26] <\sh> StevenK, whatever ,-)
[04:26] <Lamego> any CDBS expert around ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> define "expert"
[04:28] <Lamego> expert, someone with expertise :P
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Lamego: better to ask what you want to konw
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Lamego: sometimes you need to read the cdbs source for help
[04:28] <Lamego> i have an install/package::
[04:29] <Lamego> which is not being executed with debuild -nc
[04:29] <Lamego> dh_install* and friends are executed, so I am missing something
[04:30] <Lamego> ops, i think i found it :P
[04:32] <StevenK> \sh: 4 out of 5 bugs closed. The remaining one open I didn't upload. lucas probably did.
[04:34] <StevenK> joejaxx: Update the Gutsy stats page!
[04:35] <\sh> StevenK, you mean aewm++-goodies...i didn't see anything on -changes...
[04:35] <StevenK> lucas: Still here?
[04:36] <joejaxx> StevenK: ok :)
[04:36] <StevenK> joejaxx: :-)
[04:37] <StevenK> joejaxx: Where does it get the data from, by the way?
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:39] <StevenK> \sh: Right, dealing with aewm++-goodies
[04:46] <StevenK> \sh: aewm++-goodies uploaded.
[04:48] <lucas> StevenK: \sh: I didn't upload it
[04:48] <lucas> I only uploaded packages not in the list I gave you ;)
[04:48] <StevenK> lucas: Fair enough, I verified it had the problem and uploaded it.
[04:49] <lucas> StevenK: ok
[04:53] <bddebian> Damn, I swore that sdlmame got in to Feisty.. Hmm
[04:55] <cavedon> hi all!
[04:55] <bddebian> Hello cavedon
[04:56] <cavedon> Is there a way to know if my key have been synced to the REVU keyring? If I upload a package and dput says "Successfully uploaded packages.", but I do not get any mail shortly, should I be suspicious something is wrong?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> cavedon: you dont get mail for package uploads to revu.  is it on revu.tauware.de?
[04:57] <cavedon> no, I uploaded it 10 mins ago
[04:58] <cavedon> package is "wengophone"
[04:59] <Hobbsee> cavedon: ah yes, here it is
[04:59] <lucas> siretart: lcd4linux FTBFS ;) (also in Debian, btw)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> cavedon: yeah, i'ts a key problem.  resyncing.
[05:00] <cavedon> Hobbsee:  ok! thanks!
[05:00] <lucas> siretart: ah, you already know
[05:00] <cavedon> Hobbsee: should I re-upload?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> no
[05:13] <cavedon> Hobbsee: could you give me a rough idea of how much time it will take to show up, please?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> cavedon: >1 hr from when i said i was resyncing
[05:14] <Hobbsee> cavedon: as in, someone will have to move it back, and it'll reprocess
[05:14] <cavedon> Hobbsee: ok, tnx :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> cavedon: if i move it back now, the cronjob will just move it back to rejected, as the key isntthere yet
[05:14] <Hobbsee> cavedon: yes, it's slow atm
[05:14] <cavedon> np :)
[05:18] <ranf> hi
[05:19] <bddebian> Hello ranf
[05:25] <fernando> Error '425 Security: Bad IP connecting.' during ftp transfer of gtk-vnc_0.1.0-1ubuntu0.dsc
[05:25] <fernando> while uploading to revu
[05:29] <geser> Hi bddebian
[05:29] <bddebian> Heya geser
[05:43] <bddebian> Damn now I remember why I don't like reviewing.. :-)
[05:43] <geser> bddebian: have you your password back?
[05:43] <bddebian> Aye
[05:57] <soc> hi
[05:57] <soc> is there a chance that avogadro will get into universe?
[05:57] <soc> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Avogadro?content=59521
[05:58] <soc> http://avogadro.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
[05:58] <soc> i didn't ask earlier because all the depencies of avogadro, e. g. libopenbabel were updated, so i thought it would be a matter of time since it will appear in the repo
[05:59] <geser> very unlikely, it would need to be packaged and review till tomorrow
[05:59] <azeem> avogadro uses openbabel?
[06:01] <ScottK2> mok0: Are you there.
[06:01] <mok0> ScottK2: yes
[06:02] <azeem> any project which has a "Quit" icon on its toolbar is suspect
[06:02] <soc> azeem: yes
[06:02] <azeem> soc: but thanks, doesn't look bad
[06:02] <azeem> soc: are you using it yourself?
[06:02] <soc> yes
[06:02] <azeem> you like it
[06:02] <soc> but a very old version
[06:02] <soc> yes
[06:02] <mok0> ScottK2:  Are you back home?
[06:02] <soc> i'm just compiling the newest
[06:02] <ScottK2> No.  In a meeting.
[06:03] <soc> from trunk
[06:03] <soc> i'll check it out and report back?
[06:03] <azeem> soc: which toolkit is it using?
[06:03] <ScottK2> mok0: Copyright should be 2001 - 2007 and not just 2007.  If that's all I find, do you mind if I change it and upload?
[06:03] <soc> qt4
[06:03] <mok0> ScottK2: No go ahead!
[06:03] <azeem> ok
[06:03] <soc> as far as i know 4.2
[06:04] <soc> it needs eigen
[06:04] <soc> which is in kdesupport
[06:04] <soc> openbabel
[06:04] <soc> (which is already in the repos)
[06:05] <azeem> huh, I hang out with one of the devs in a channel and knew nothing about this
[06:05] <ScottK2> OK.  SO far that's all I've found.
[06:07] <soc> ok
[06:07] <soc> compiling eigen works flawlessly
[06:07] <luisbg> how can I know if my package is being processed by the archive admins?
[06:09] <soc> azeem: eigen is only needed for compiling, no runtime dependency!
[06:09] <soc> so it seems the repos are able to support avogadro without adding another library
[06:10] <azeem> good
[06:11] <geser> luisbg: check if is published or sitting in the NEW queue
[06:12] <luisbg> geser, sitting in the queue
[06:12] <_MMA_> geser: 'tis in the queue but we've had bad luck with things sitting there without getting processed. With it being so close to freeze Im curious.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: stuff already in the new queue by freeze should get processed, i'd expect
[06:13] <_MMA_> As would I but that bit us in the arse with the Ubuntu Studio art for Feisty. :(
[06:14] <_MMA_> Granted it was after freeze but we had all the exceptions.
[06:15] <luisbg> we just want to be sure everything is ok
[06:15] <\sh> time to go home...cu
[06:17] <geser> luisbg: the only option is then ask the archive admins
[06:17] <luisbg> geser, like whom?
[06:18] <_MMA_> Is Mithrandir processing again?
[06:19] <_MMA_> Or elmo? (I thought he did as well)
[06:20] <soren> Hobbsee: Am I supposed to unsubscribe motu-uvf now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sobby/+bug/135588
[06:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135588 in sobby "[UVFe]  Please sync sobby (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:20] <Hobbsee> soren: with it's second ack, yes please
[06:20] <zorglu_> q. is there like a /etc/init.d but at the user level ? this is to start/stop daemon at the user level
[06:20] <soren> Hobbsee: Thought so. Done. Thanks.
[06:23] <bddebian> Damn, why are all of these REVU packages so freakin huge?? :-(
[06:23] <ScottK2> mok0: Uploaded
[06:24] <mok0> ScottK2: Great! Thanks a lot!
[06:24] <bddebian> Heya ScottK2
[06:24] <geser> luisbg: Mithrandir, Riddell, seb128, pitti
[06:24] <ScottK2> Heya bddebian
[06:25] <_MMA_> geser: Thanx.
[06:25] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:25] <Lamego> zorglu_, /etc/init.d there is no such thing as "user level" to start/stop, you can do it, as session level, when an user starts a X session
[06:25] <Lamego> however, ther is no such thing as user boot ;)
[06:26] <_MMA_> Riddell: I was just wondering about new queue processing. PM?
[06:26] <ScottK2> mok0: You are doing great work.  Keep it up.
[06:26] <Riddell> _MMA_: does it need to be private?
[06:26] <_MMA_> Not really.
[06:27] <_MMA_> Im wondering when the queue will be cleared.
[06:27] <mok0> ScottK2: I will! Next stop Hardy Heron!
[06:28] <_MMA_> Riddell:  Ubuntu Studio has a critical package and this close to freeze I dont want to have issues like we did with Feisty.
[06:28] <Riddell> _MMA_: dunno, I seem to be the only archive admin who likes to do New queue and I'm busy with release management of 4 ubuntu distros
[06:28] <bryce> gnomefreak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post3223971
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just clone yourself.
[06:29] <_MMA_> Riddell: As long as it gets done without a freeze exception I dont mind. We had exceptions for Feisty and the queue wasnt processed. :(
[06:30] <Riddell> _MMA_: if it was uploaded before a freeze that shouldn't be your problem in my opinion
[06:30] <_MMA_> Ok. I'm hoping. ;)
[06:31] <mok0> Gotta go, bbl!
[06:37] <Riddell> _MMA_: ubuntustudio-menu?
[06:40] <_MMA_> Riddell: Correct.
[06:40] <luisbg> Riddell, yes, the menu
[06:43] <Riddell> _MMA_: the prerm doesn't seem to do anything and the postinst seems to add its functionality regardless of what is happening to the package
[06:43] <Riddell> but that's not a blocker for me, just something for you to look for, I'll approve it
[06:43] <luisbg> i did the package
[06:43] <luisbg> I will look into that
[06:44] <luisbg> thanks! =)
[06:48] <luisbg> Riddell, postinst does something pretty important
[06:48] <luisbg> ln -sf /etc/xdg/menus/preferences.menu $BASE_DIR/menus/
[06:49] <luisbg> 11		 ln -sf /etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu $BASE_DIR/menus/
[06:49] <luisbg> if not you wouldn't see the system>preferences and system>settings menu categories
[06:49] <luisbg> but it is true prerm doesn't do anything and could be taken away
[06:49] <luisbg> after it get's into universe I will do an update
[06:52] <Riddell> luisbg: but it does it even if the package is already installed (in which case it might cause a fail because the link is already there, I'm not sure)
[06:53] <luisbg> the -f makes it to redo it
[06:54] <luisbg> I tested it and it doesn't fail
[07:02] <luisbg> Riddell, so will you approve it?
[07:05] <Riddell> luisbg: already have (it'll still need to go through binary new)
[07:05] <_MMA_> Riddell: Thanx man.
[07:06] <bddebian> Could someone possibly review boswars?  It looks OK to me but I would prefer a third ack?
[07:11] <luisbg> Riddell, thanks! =)
[07:12] <fernando> can somebody review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=136 ? thanks
[07:17] <bddebian> fernando: I will give me a few minutes
[07:18] <fernando> bddebian, great! thank you
[07:18] <ranf> fernando, the version is wrong: 0.1.0-1ubuntu0
[07:18] <ranf> should be -0ubuntu1
[07:19] <fernando> ops, fixed
[07:35] <zul> whee I get to do a debian package for work
[07:49] <mohammad> ScottK: hello, are you online?
[08:04] <fernando> ranf, can you review again?
[08:05] <ranf> fernando, I'm no MOTU. But the version was an easy to find error.
[08:06] <fernando> ranf, thanks. version is already fixed
[08:16] <gnomefreak> ty bryce
[08:34] <bddebian> fernando: You have a few little things to fix :-)
[08:35] <fernando> bddebian, thanks. fixing
[08:37] <deadwill> hey bddebian
[08:37] <bddebian> Hello deadwill
[08:38] <bddebian> Does anyone know who Aron is on REVU?
[08:40] <geser> bddebian: have you an exact link?
[08:44] <bddebian> geser: No someone reviewing as aron@ubuntu.hu
[08:45] <geser> bddebian: https://launchpad.net/~asisak aka coNP
[08:45] <bddebian> Ah, OK, thx
[08:45] <geser> one of our new MOTUs
[08:46] <ScottK2> bddebian: Brand new motu
[08:46] <bddebian> NP, I just wasn't familiar with the name :-)
[08:46] <bddebian> Hey if you two are bored, check out boswars for me ;-)
[08:47] <ScottK2> Sorry, in a meeting...
[08:51] <Lamego> does REVU check if the the package builds properly ?
[08:52] <ScottK2> No
[08:53] <Lamego> so if it is accepted, and has a building problem, where on the process does it get detected ?
[08:53] <Lamego> automated building before entering the archives ?
[08:53] <cavedon> REVU people: Hobbsee started a REVU key sync from LP neary 4 hrs ago. Is it likely it has not finished yet? tnx
[08:54] <ScottK2> Lamego: MOTU reviewers build it locally as part of their review.
[08:54] <Lamego> why do they spend time checking a package that may not even build :P ?
[08:55] <ScottK2> Lamego: Well that's one of the annoyances of reviewing.
[08:56] <ScottK2> There has been some discussion of using LP personal package archives once that's rolled out.
[08:56] <Lamego> ScottK, ok, something that should be an automated review, but is not (yet I hope)
[08:56] <ScottK2> Agreed.
[09:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: ping
[09:05] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[09:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon!!!
[09:05] <imbrandon> heya bro
[09:06] <imbrandon> just picked up a few truckloads of computer stuff ( some old, very old, some brand new ) sorting through it all ;)
[09:06] <LaserJock> how are things?
[09:06] <imbrandon> seeing if i can find a few diamonds
[09:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:06] <zul> heya imbrandon
[09:06] <imbrandon> heya zul
[09:06] <zul> how is everything
[09:07] <imbrandon> that and got an invite to sanfran for a motorolla dev confrence, contemplating going
[09:07] <zul> coolio
[09:07] <imbrandon> probably wont this round though'
[09:07] <imbrandon> how about yall?
[09:07] <LaserJock> I'm trying to survive a PhD and my inlaws are coming tomorrow
[09:08] <imbrandon> heh
[09:08] <nixternal> what's up homeskillet!
[09:08] <zul> good i think i might have a cold
[09:08] <nixternal> I am sick of you hiding and playing like you have a life...I miss you man :p
[09:08] <imbrandon> i just got over one, summer coldds suck
[09:08] <LaserJock> ++
[09:08] <zul> yeah specially since 5 months olds gave you it
[09:08] <LaserJock> I remember the one I got from UDS Paris
[09:09] <LaserJock> man I was so sick
[09:09] <imbrandon> nixternal: hahaha, you need to trek down here and stay a few days with me, drink some beer etc
[09:09] <nixternal> sounds like a plan...maybe a long weekend or something
[09:09] <nixternal> we can find mr brouhard and commence to deleting his harddrives
[09:10] <imbrandon> lol
[09:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: find any Sun keyboards in your junk pile?
[09:10] <nixternal> dude, my Rhoulette wheel rox...if only I could get it to work, then I would get an A++ on this project :D
[09:10] <imbrandon> ahh actualy i have 2, still need one LaserJock ?
[09:10] <LaserJock> as a matter of fact yeah
[09:10] <nixternal> I have one that didn't make it through a dishwash cleaning
[09:11] <imbrandon> kk email me your usps addy and i'll get it out to you this weekend
[09:11] <imbrandon> brandon@imbrandon.com
[09:11] <imbrandon> or my ubuntu addy
[09:11] <LaserJock> the're going for like $20+ shipping on ebay
[09:11] <LaserJock> so this sparc has just been sitting in the other room
[09:11] <LaserJock> haven't turned it on in a couple months
[09:13] <imbrandon> heheh yea its no biggie, shouldent cost me more than 5 or 10 bux tops to ship, i can cover that for a MOTU rockstar
[09:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yo, sorry
[09:13] <LaserJock> bddebian: who packages startupmanager?
[09:14] <LaserJock> *packaged
[09:14] <bddebian> Uh oh, what'd I do now?
[09:14] <LaserJock> nothin
[09:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: Vincent Legout <bixente44@gmail.com>
[09:15] <zul> wow https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/135631
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135631 in ubuntu "Startup on Win 98" [Undecided,New] 
[09:15] <cbx33> ping imbrandon
[09:15] <cbx33> LaserJock, http://progbox.co.uk/comic/justice.png
[09:16] <LaserJock> hahaha
[09:16] <LaserJock> thank goodness for batteries
[09:16] <LaserJock> been there
[09:16] <cbx33> heheh
[09:16] <cbx33> no
[09:16] <cbx33> what really?
[09:16] <cbx33> you played an FPS at dinner with the missus?
[09:17] <cbx33> andshe unplugged ya pc
[09:17] <LaserJock> well, it wasn't FPS
[09:17] <cbx33> LaserJock, you naughty naughty thing
[09:17] <cbx33> heheh
[09:17] <LaserJock> I don't do that anymore
[09:17] <cbx33> hahaha
[09:17] <cbx33> *anymore*
[09:17] <LaserJock> I was probably ssh'd into my server pbuilding something
[09:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: that's what screen is meant for, btw
[09:19] <LaserJock> if my laptop gets shut down, I can go somewhere else and screen back in ;-)
[09:20] <cbx33> indeed
[09:23] <imbrandon> cbx33: pong
[09:24] <cbx33> hey hey imbrandon
[09:24] <imbrandon> screen ftw
[09:24] <cbx33> long time no see dude
[09:24] <cbx33> been trying to get hold of you for ages
[09:24] <imbrandon> heh yea , took a break for a bit
[09:24] <cbx33> sure
[09:24] <cbx33> i did that too
[09:24] <cbx33> the python training stuff
[09:24] <cbx33> i think
[09:24] <cbx33> i think i found a way to do it
[09:24] <cbx33> stream audio and video that is
[09:24] <imbrandon> sweet
[09:25] <cbx33> all i need now is your help
[09:25] <cbx33> wanna pop into a pm?
[09:33] <fernando> bddebian, how to fix the copyright problem?
[09:34] <bddebian> fernando: Just add a notation for any extra copyright holders.  So like foo/bar.c Copyright 2000-2001 Hugh Jardon .. or so
[09:35] <bddebian> fernando: If it is under a different license you may have to include the license text in debian/copyright also
[09:42] <erable> Hi, I had created qdevelop package one month ago. How to make so that it is accepted in gutsy ?
[09:43] <bddebian> erable: Can you post it to REVU?
[09:45] <erable> package is in REVU
[09:48] <bddebian> Gah, I'm blind sorry.  I'll look at it shortly
[09:48] <luisbg> hey imbrandon =)
[09:50] <erable> bddebian : thank you :)
[09:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: I wondered about startupmanager because I think the SoC project I mentored fostered a bit of competition ;-)
[09:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, nice :-)
[09:53] <bddebian> Competition is always good unless you're in those nanny-state socialist countries.... ;-P
[09:54] <LaserJock> haha
[09:54] <kompozer> Hello, I would like to know how much time remains until the package freeze please? I can't reach the maintainer of my project :-/
[09:54] <LaserJock> !schedule
[09:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[09:55] <LaserJock> pfft, that's a pretty crappy factoid
[09:55] <bddebian> heh
[09:55] <LaserJock> kompozer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[09:56] <kompozer> LaserJock: I know the freeze is on the 30th, but does that mean it remains two hours or 22 hours?
[09:56] <LaserJock> oh
[09:56] <LaserJock> I thought we had a couple weeks
[09:56] <bddebian> Tomorrow
[09:57] <LaserJock> kompozer: well, I'm not quite sure what time exactly
[09:58] <kompozer> LaserJock: I had to change some details on the package yesterday, it's still not uploaded by the maintainer, so I begin to get anxious
[09:59] <LaserJock> kompozer: who is the maintainer?
[09:59] <kompozer> Tony Yarusso
[10:00] <bddebian> Frick, I have GOT to get a Gutsy machine going
[10:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: my server is running Gutsy
[10:01] <LaserJock> it's kinda not pretty
[10:03] <joejaxx> bddebian: i am living on the edge
[10:03] <joejaxx> bddebian: running debian unstable and gutsy
[10:03] <joejaxx> lol
[10:05] <fernando> bddebian, can you review again =) itens fixed
[10:07] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well I'm not doing a good job of testing install and execution of my stuff so I need something :-(
[10:08] <bddebian> joejaxx: Nice :_)
[10:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: vmware?
[10:08] <joejaxx> vmware ftw :)
[10:08] <bddebian> fernando: Let me finish up with qdevelop first
[10:08] <fernando> bddebian, ok, no problem =)
[10:13] <kompozer> StevenK: ping
[10:19] <cavedon> REVU people: Hobbsee started a REVU key sync from LP 5 hrs ago. Is it likely it has not finished yet?
[10:20] <cavedon> I uploaded a package and it has not appearedin  http://revu.tauware.de/ yet
[10:20] <cavedon> tnx
[10:23] <LaserJock> cavedon: it used to take < 30 min
[10:23] <LaserJock> but on the new server I have no idea
[10:24] <cavedon> ok, tnx LaserJock
[10:42] <cavedon> mhm, If I want to update a package; automatic sync from debian stopped because a "build1" version was uploaded in order to trigger recompilation
[10:42] <Daviey> Hi.. how can i recreate a 'Release' file?
[10:43] <cavedon> I would like to do a sync + some changes for Ubuntu
[10:43] <Daviey> -- google aint helping much
[10:43] <cavedon> it is not properly a merge
[10:43] <bddebian> cavedon: File a bug and attach your patches.  Of course it's probably too late for Gutsy but you can request an exception
[10:44] <cavedon> bddebian: do I have to upload to new? or not at all?
[10:44] <bddebian> cavedon: Shouldn't need to at all, just make your changes against the debian version and post a debdiff
[10:45] <cavedon> bddebian: because my patch would be agains a deb package, which has not been synced in Ubuntu
[10:45] <bddebian> cavedon: Aye, we would grab the debian version and apply your patch and upload if it was approved
[10:45] <cavedon> bddebian: ok, thank you again, sorry for bothering
[10:45] <bddebian> NP
[10:50] <bddebian> Daviey: Do you mean a Releases file from an archive?
[10:50] <Daviey> yes
[10:51] <bddebian> sudo apt-get update :-)
[10:51] <Daviey> bddebian: I mean; recreate the Releases file on an archive
[10:52] <bddebian> Oohh
[10:52] <Daviey> archive / apt-repo
[10:52] <imbrandon> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
[10:52] <Daviey> omg.. imbrandon lives
[10:52] <sommer>  /whois imbrandon
[10:52] <imbrandon> or Falcon imho would be easier
[10:53] <Daviey> imbrandon: well i'm trying to apt-mirror an archive - then pgp sign it
[10:53] <imbrandon> you would be better letting falcon take care of that for you
[10:54] <Daviey> imbrandon: can it do it?
[10:54] <imbrandon> yes
[10:55] <imbrandon> sommer: https://launchpad.net/~imbrandon
[10:55] <imbrandon> :)
[10:55] <sommer> heh thanks...I thought you may have been a different brandon.
[10:56] <imbrandon> nope tis i, and you ?
[10:56] <Daviey> imbrandon: I thought you died or something
[10:57] <imbrandon> nope , new job, new wife, new house all in the same month, forces a break on ya
[10:57] <Daviey> geez... new life
[10:58] <Daviey> Was it your new wife I spoke to when i phoned?
[10:58] <geser> imbrandon: also an new imbrandon or still the old one?
[10:58] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you got married?!!?
[11:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea to my 1st wife again ;)(
[11:01] <fernando> $ linda ../../pbuild-gutsy/result/libgtk-vnc-1.0-0_0.1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:01] <imbrandon> ex is still in reno
[11:01] <fernando> Check LibraryCheck failed. Exception IndexError thrown (list index out of range).
[11:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:01] <fernando> this is a linda issue. right?
[11:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: really?
[11:01] <imbrandon> bbiab
[11:01] <imbrandon> yea ;)
[11:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: good for you
[11:01] <imbrandon> i;ll post wedding pics tonight
[11:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: she move out there?
[11:02] <imbrandon> well the 1st wife has always lived in KC ;)
[11:02] <imbrandon> heh
[11:04] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:04] <imbrandon> err
[11:07] <bddebian> fernando: What did you change wrt libgtk-vnc?  Did you manually create a shlibs file?
[11:08] <fernando> bddebian, yes
[11:08] <bddebian> Ah, probably better to use dh_makeshlibs (I think)
[11:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ping
[11:10] <bddebian> Oh, you aren't using debhelper eh?
[11:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: pong
[11:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock: some are still uploading but here is one of us both at the reception http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/pics/reception/100_1273.jpg
[11:11] <fernando> bddebian, ok. i need to go. thank you a lot
[11:11] <bddebian> NP
[11:12] <imbrandon> pics are kinda shoddy but its the only ones i have on this PC
[11:13] <LaserJock> imbrandon: dang, dressed up and everything ;-)
[11:14] <imbrandon> lol, there is a first time for everything
[11:14] <imbrandon> probably the only time you will see me without a ballcap too
[11:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:14] <ajmitch> morning
[11:15] <LaserJock> imbrandon: that's what I was thinking
[11:15] <ajmitch> that's not imbrandon!
[11:15] <norsetto> geser: thx for your comment on bug 135661. So, if I get it right, we do not sync and the bug can be rejected?
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135661 in kiwi "[Sync request]  Please sync kiwi (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135661
[11:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh
[11:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: well congrats anyway
[11:16] <imbrandon> thanks
[11:16] <ajmitch> I suppose you're back to normal attire now?
[11:16] <imbrandon> most definately, and mt dew
[11:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:17] <imbrandon> only now i dont have to make fridge runs, long as i'm not in the dogg house she brings them to me ;)
[11:17] <imbrandon> lol
[11:17] <ajmitch> haha
[11:17] <ajmitch> so you're back to being married
[11:17] <ajmitch> how confusing
[11:17] <Tonio_> dholbach: ping ?
[11:18] <ajmitch> hello Tonio_
[11:18] <imbrandon> yea confuses me too at times , but this was my HS sweetheart soo .... ;)
[11:18] <Tonio_> hey ajmitch, imbrandon
[11:18] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[11:18] <imbrandon> pappa
[11:18] <imbrandon> yet?
[11:18] <geser> norsetto: we should keep this replaces till the hardy release, it can be dropped afterwards
[11:18] <ajmitch> Tonio_: I had someone asking about a nm-pptp change you made a couple of months ago - apparantly it didn't end up as an upgrade, but somehow broke stuff (according to the original maintainer)
[11:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: doesn't work as expected :)
[11:19] <ajmitch> I'm not sure what he meant, he's in a different TZ now :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> ajmitch: true, I just saw that with him
[11:19] <norsetto> geser: ok, so its on hold and we keep the sync request open until then. thx
[11:19] <ajmitch> Tonio_: ok :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> ajmitch: I'm reworking the package with him now
[11:19] <Tonio_> ajmitch: complete miscomprehension on the svn checkout and package versioning in fact
[11:19] <ajmitch> ah good
[11:20] <geser> norsetto: I doubt it's useful to keep the sync request open for 8 months (till 8.04)
[11:20] <norsetto> geser: ok, so we reject it
[11:20] <Daviey> Is the net -motu meeting really - Saturday, September 8th, 00:00 UTC?!
[11:20] <Daviey> s/net/next
[11:21] <ajmitch> Daviey: is that a problem?
[11:21] <Daviey> 1am UK time for a meeting?
[11:21] <geser> Daviey: depending on your timezone is either still friday or already saturday for you
[11:22] <ajmitch> Daviey: that's expected, plenty of MOTUs live in australia or NZ
[11:22] <Daviey> okay, was just suprised to have it scheduled that late UTC
[11:22] <ajmitch> so 10AM or noon is a better time for a meeting for us
[11:22] <Daviey> Thought it might have been a wiki-error
[11:22] <ajmitch> we do try & rotate meeting times
[11:23] <Tonio_> dholbach: when you read this, I'm fixing your bluez-utils upload
[11:23] <Tonio_> dholbach: you added --enable-input and a lot of other things, but some files are missing the package, resulting kdebluetooth doesn't work
[11:23] <Tonio_> dholbach: filling the .install files with dh_install --list-missing and uploading
[11:26] <superm1> ajmitch, well i may not be able to make it at that meeting time (not sure yet), but i added an item the agenda this time around.  if i'm not able to make it, i'll send some notes to the mailing list with what i was planning to discuss with it
[11:26] <LaserJock> for goodness sakes, why aren't there more hours in a day
[11:28] <geser> LaserJock: are you sure that would help?
[11:28] <LaserJock> I'd get more done at least
[11:28] <LaserJock> but then there would be more hours for people to add things for me to do
[11:29] <geser> and you would more hours a day :)
[11:29] <LaserJock> what was that law that crimsun always talked about?
[11:29] <ajmitch> murphys? :)
[11:30] <LaserJock> where the amount of work will always fill the amount of time available, or something like that
[11:33] <dholbach>  Tonio_: what's missing?
[11:34] <Tonio_> dholbach: bluetooth.install :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> dholbach: and in consequence every files in it
[11:35] <dholbach> oh? that's weird
[11:35] <dholbach> Tonio_: but thanks for fixing it!
[11:35] <Tonio_> dholbach: you're welcome :)
[11:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: hum stop bluetooth is a metapackage, stupid of me....
[11:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: okay so what's missing is a bunch of files generated when activating certain configure options
[11:37] <dholbach> Tonio_: I guess they should be in the bluez-utils package
[11:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: here is the list
[11:37] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/595
[11:38] <Tonio_> .la files can be removed
[11:38] <Tonio_> appart from that, I suspect everything is needed
[11:38] <Tonio_> dholbach: also I see a usr/lib/bluez-utils/udev/bluetooth_serial file
[11:38] <Tonio_> dholbach: is that of any use ? there is already a usr/lib/udev/bluetooth_serial file in the bluetooth-pcmcia package....
[11:39] <dholbach> let me see what was in 3.13
[11:39] <Tonio_> dholbach: sure
[11:39] <dholbach> or 3.12
[11:39] <dholbach> I think some of the files were not installed in packages intentionally
[11:39] <dholbach> but I'm not sure
[11:39] <Tonio_> dholbach: yep you know the packaging better than me
[11:39] <Tonio_> dholbach: well some are absolutly required for kdebluetooth for example
[11:39] <dholbach> no, I guess I don't
[11:40] <dholbach> I really hope the mobile team will pick up the bluetooth packages at some stage :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> well I'm just unsure what to do with the bluetooth_serial script and where it is supposed to be.....
[11:41] <dholbach> Tonio_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/596
[11:41] <dholbach> that was missing in 3.12
[11:41] <dholbach> so I'd leave those file out
[11:41] <dholbach> rest of the stuff can go to bluez-utils
[11:41] <dholbach> ... I guess
[11:41] <Tonio_> etc/udev/bluetooth.rules ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> weird it is not required ;)
[11:42] <Tonio_> okay let's do the same way, indeed
[11:42] <Tonio_> at least it'll fix kdebluetooth
[11:42] <dholbach> I guess we have our own udev rules somewhere else already
[11:42] <dholbach> I wouldn't really like to mess with udev stuff
[11:42] <dholbach> rock on
[11:42] <dholbach> norsetto: I'm in Boston :)
[11:42] <dholbach> so it's 17:42 for me
[11:43] <nixternal> dholbach: have you gone to the Salty Dog yet?
[11:43] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:43] <norsetto> dholbach: ah! this explains why you suddendly disappeared :-)
[11:43] <dholbach> nixternal: no - what is it?
[11:43] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[11:43] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[11:43] <sistpoty> hi bddebian and dholbach
[11:43] <dholbach> yeah, sorry - I was and still am quite busy over here
[11:43] <sistpoty> and dholbach w.b. from holidays ;)
[11:43] <norsetto> sistpoty: hiya
[11:43] <dholbach> thanks sistpoty :)
[11:43] <nixternal> dholbach: it is a great bar down by Fanuel (spelling) Hall
[11:44] <sistpoty> hi norsetto
[11:44] <dholbach> nixternal: I guess I'll be there during UDS :)
[11:44] <nixternal> Salty Dog Seafood Grille & Bar....great baked beans, clam chowder, and brooohahaha
[11:45] <dholbach> nice
[11:45] <norsetto> nixternal: no, pls. no more clam chowder!
[11:45] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:45] <nixternal> we don't have good clam chowder in Chicago
[11:46] <bddebian> There is no such thing as "good" clam chowder :-)
[11:47] <nixternal> boo
[11:47] <nixternal> how about a Philly Cheese Steak then?
[11:47] <bddebian> w00t, now you are talking :-)
[11:47] <AndyP> hi folks
[11:47] <norsetto> hey andy
[11:47] <bddebian> Heya AndyP
[11:47] <nixternal> Chicago just has the best pizza and the best hot dogs...how the hell anyone could have the best hotdogs is beyond me
[11:48] <AndyP> just thought i'd show my face before you guys forget me :)
[11:48] <sistpoty> hi AndyP
[11:48] <AndyP> i'm ++busy atm
[11:48] <nixternal> howdy AndyP
[11:48] <bddebian> AndyP: Who are you again? ;-P
[11:48] <nixternal> haha
[11:48] <AndyP> bddebian: just one of your faithful worshipers
[11:49] <bddebian> Sick bastage :-)
[11:49] <AndyP> going to my first conference this weekend - linuxconf.eu
[11:50] <bddebian> nice
[11:50] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty and dholbach
[11:50] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[11:51] <norsetto> long trip from Cardiff to Cambridge, be careful ....
[11:51] <LaserJock> AndyP: that sounds like linuxconf.ewwww
[11:51] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty, dholbach
[11:51] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:51] <LaserJock> how is REVU2 coming along? :-)
[11:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: wow, what are you doing in boston already? eager for UDS? :)
[11:51] <AndyP> norsetto: it's not too scary :)
[11:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: no, not really ;-)
[11:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: he's got a *lot* of specs to draft ;-)
[11:52] <sistpoty> LaserJock: many good new ideas... interestingly siretart and /me had quite similar ones last week
[11:52] <imbrandon> i wanna come to boston ;)
[11:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah
[11:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so do I, but it's not happening ;)
[11:53] <sistpoty> LaserJock: however siretart is actually implementing s.th. already, while I'm still fighting with revu1 ;)
[11:53] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet
[11:53] <LaserJock> I might pop in for Thursday-Sunday
[11:54] <dholbach> have a nice evening - see you tomorrow
[11:54] <LaserJock> as that would only require 2 days off and no international flying
[11:54] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[11:54] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:54] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:54] <sistpoty> damn, too late
[11:54] <ajmitch> but boston is too far & too expensive
[11:54] <norsetto> sistpoty: no, too early (its 18:00 there :-))
[11:54] <bddebian> Plus it's in the EVIIIIL US :-)
[11:54] <ajmitch> and UDS isn't my idea of a real fun holiday
[11:54] <LaserJock> pffft
[11:54] <imbrandon> no idea if i'll be able to make it or not, not having a "real" job atm makes it hard to judge
[11:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: oh?
[11:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what happened to your normal job?
[11:55] <LaserJock> goodness
[11:55] <imbrandon> i got pissy with the owner
[11:55] <imbrandon> and it went from there
[11:55] <ajmitch> oh dear
[11:55] <ajmitch> that was stupid
[11:55] <LaserJock> heh
[11:55] <LaserJock> sounds like somebody else i know
[11:55] <imbrandon> well considering the circumstances it wasent, it would have been my ass in jail
[11:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:56] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Link to ebay stuff?
[11:56] <imbrandon> and i got a nice little severance package and i've been doing "ok" reselling computer stuff on ebay so i dunno
[11:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but talking about the "papa" thing, we're still trying
[11:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_: cool
[11:57] <imbrandon> _MMA_: user_id a_store_4_u
[11:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: making a baby isn't as "mathematic" as building a package
[11:57] <_MMA_> k
[11:57] <imbrandon> brb dinner time
[11:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sometimes it doesn't work and you don't know why :(
[11:57] <imbrandon> Tonio_: but it can be alot funner
[11:57] <LaserJock> Tonio_: no HowTos on the forum?!?
[11:57] <Tonio_> LaserJock: I searched a bit
[11:57] <Tonio_> LaserJock: not even wikipedia has the key in fact :(
[11:58] <LaserJock> my gosh :-)
[11:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sure it is hehe :)
[11:58] <LaserJock> I don't know, math can be pretty darn invigorating ;-)
[11:58] <ajmitch> hah
[11:58] <ajmitch> geek
[11:59] <sistpoty> grml... bzr gives a traceback when trying to commit to a http:// address
[11:59] <bddebian> No shix
[12:00] <ajmitch> that's not so good
[12:00] <ajmitch> 0.90?
[12:00] <sistpoty> ii  bzr                               0.18-1
[12:01] <bddebian> How are the bugs on LP for a package that doesn't exist?
[12:01] <sistpoty> hm?
[12:02] <bddebian> I'm looking at nssbackup from REVu and he references bug #s in the changelog
[12:02] <ajmitch> and?
[12:02] <LaserJock> bugs can be filed against ubuntu
[12:02] <sistpoty> bddebian: maybe debian bugs?
[12:03] <ajmitch> especially if it's a needs-packaging bug
[12:03] <LaserJock> you don't have to file a bug against a package
[12:03] <bddebian> Oh apparently he has it as upstream on LP, sheesh.. :-)
[12:03] <LaserJock> hmm, that's interesting
[12:04] <LaserJock> !info mpfr
[12:04] <ubotu> Package mpfr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:05] <geser> !info libmpfr1
[12:05] <ubotu> libmpfr1: multiple precision floating-point computation. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1.dfsg.1-1 (feisty), package size 271 kB, installed size 440 kB
[12:06] <LaserJock> what the
[12:06] <LaserJock> it doesn't take source package?
[12:06] <geser> open a wishlist bug against ubotu
[12:07] <sistpoty> !info src:libmpfr1
[12:07] <ubotu> Package srclibmpfr1 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:07] <LaserJock> man, I hate filing bugs :/
[12:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:09] <geser> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+filebug
[12:09] <LaserJock> I'm there ...
[12:09] <bddebian> Gah, I think that's enough "reviewing" for a bit..
[12:10] <geser> bddebian: NPFU is on Aug 30th
[12:11] <bddebian> geser: I know
[12:12] <geser> LaserJock: New Packages Freeze for Universe
[12:12] <bddebian> Are we going to shut off REVU until Gutsy+1 opens? :-)
[12:12] <LaserJock> I know what it means, I just had an alternate pop into my head ;-)
[12:13] <kompozer> geser: NPFU is over yet or is there still some time?
[12:13] <tonyyarusso> Has anyone yet declared a UTC _time_ on the 30th?
[12:13] <sistpoty> bddebian: when revu will get migrated to its new server, only $DEITY knows if the packages will accidentilly get lost ;)
[12:13] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hehe
[12:14] <geser> kompozer: afaik it isn't in effect yet
[12:14] <kompozer> geser: *pfoooh* good thing
[12:15] <geser> kompozer: but hurry, you have less than 24 hours
[12:15] <tonyyarusso> noted
[12:15] <kompozer> geser: I know
[12:17] <bddebian> Damn, somone look at boswars then.. It's already got 2 advocates but I don't trust myself and I don't know conNP well enough
[12:17] <kompozer> geser: what needs to be done besides uploading the files to REVU?
[12:17] <bddebian> kompozer: Is what's on REVU OK?  I got the impression that you had more to do?
[12:17] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: there will be a new one very shortly
[12:18] <norsetto> kompozer: according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule NPFU is already in place
[12:18] <geser> kompozer: it needs to be reviewed and  uploaded to the archive before the deadline
[12:18] <tonyyarusso> norsetto: It doesn't say that...
[12:18] <LaserJock> norsetto: it's the 29th here for like 9 more hours
[12:18] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:18] <kompozer> well, my files have been waiting for the upload all day, so I hope somebody will review them on time now
[12:18] <norsetto> tonyyarusso: at the start of the date, UTC, I read it its over since two hours
[12:19] <tonyyarusso> hrm
[12:19] <LaserJock> norsetto: it's more like end of day
[12:19] <bddebian> That's what I thought
[12:19] <norsetto> laserjock: thats what I thought too, but in that page it says different
[12:19] <kompozer> I really hope I didn't work like a dumb*** for nothing with this release
[12:19] <LaserJock> nah
[12:20] <LaserJock> it's pretty loose
[12:20] <LaserJock> well, how many pressing packages do we have?
[12:22] <LaserJock> think we can do boswars, imageinfo, avant-window-navigator, and kompozer ?
[12:22] <sistpoty> bddebian: the debdiff for boswars looks when I last reviewed it looks quite reasonable, and back then it was in a very good shape
[12:22] <LaserJock> that takes care of all the ones with 1 vote
[12:22] <sistpoty> bddebian: so I'd say upload it (since you gave a +1)
[12:23] <bddebian> I don't want to get in any more trouble ;-P
[12:23] <LaserJock> pfft
[12:23] <LaserJock> just get over it and upload :-)
[12:23] <sistpoty> ok, then I'll upload it... (after a quick rebuild=
[12:23] <ajmitch> what is kompozer waiting on?
[12:23] <kompozer> ajmitch: un upload on REVU + a review
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: A new source package to be built from existing files and upload to REVU.
[12:23] <norsetto> Laserjock: btw, is an updated package a new package for the NFPU?
[12:24] <LaserJock> norsetto: no
[12:24] <ajmitch> ok, then get on with uploading :)
[12:24] <norsetto> laserjock: ok, so I still have time until beta for conky, still waiting a new tarball from upstream
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> Although, this is _way_ less painful than doing this on dialup last spring :P
[12:24] <bddebian> sistpoty: I'll do it :)
[12:25] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok, great :)
[12:25] <LaserJock> norsetto: no, the Upstream Version Freeze has past already
[12:25] <bigon> StevenK: are you there?
[12:25] <norsetto> laserjock: yes, but I would require an UVFe anyhow, the package in gutsy now has bad licenses
[12:25] <LaserJock> ok, who's gonna take avant-window-navigator?
[12:26] <LaserJock> norsetto: NEW packages don't require a UVFe until after NPFU
[12:26] <norsetto> lkaserjock: you just said an update is not like a new for NPFU!?
[12:26] <norsetto> kaserjock :-)
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> norsetto: Was it in feisty or prior, or only on previous uploads to REVU?
[12:27] <LaserJock> norsetto: new upstream versions are frozen at Upstream Version Freeze
[12:27] <geser> norsetto: use tab-completion :)
[12:27] <norsetto> it was in feisty
[12:28] <LaserJock> norsetto: UVF applies to packages already in the archives
[12:28] <LaserJock> norsetto: NPFU is for pakcages that are not already in the archives
[12:28] <norsetto> feisty version is 1.4.5, expecting 1.4.7 to make the update (1.4.6 still had bad licenses)
[12:28] <LaserJock> so you need to do a UVFe
[12:28] <norsetto> LaserJock: yes, so whats wrong with what I said? That I need to require an UVFe?
[12:29] <norsetto> LaserJock: anyhow, can't do a thing until I get the bloody tarball, waiting for that since a month
[12:29] <LaserJock> I thought you were saying it didn't need a UVFe because it wasn't a NEW package
[12:29] <norsetto> LaserJock: sorry, must be my english :-)
[12:29] <LaserJock> or mine ;-)
[12:32] <LaserJock> so, maybe kompozer can be the last before NPFU?
[12:34] <LaserJock> unless Ubuntu Archive has some objection
[12:34] <LaserJock> but they haven't in the past