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frank23are there any problems with the updated mythtv in feisty? Can I upgrade without worries?01:30
keescookfrank23: it seems okay so far, I know superm1_ is looking to snag a few other SD fixes that just popped up on #mythtv01:41
frank23keescook: anything serious?01:43
keescookfrank23: don't know, we'll have to ask superm1_.  I upgraded without a hitch so far...01:44
frank23keescook: ok01:45
frank23there are new dependencies? like gksu notification-daemon python-vte update-manager update-notifier. I 'm running kubuntu01:59
frank23mythtv-database now depends on update-notifier which I think depend on the others02:00
frank23But I already have adept-notifier02:01
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frank23So mythtv-database must depends on libgtk02:03
frank23right now anyways02:03
frank23Maybe it's supposed to02:04
frank23at any rate maybe it should be mythtv-database depends on update-notifier or adept-updater02:06
frank23or neither02:08
tgm4883_laptopdidn't there use to be a guide for setting up vnc from the command line?02:15
cornellEvening all.  Getting ready to upgrade, via apt-get, started with apt-get update, got some 404's.  See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35484/  Do I need to be worried about this?02:15
frank23tgm4883_laptop: you mean this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/VNC02:16
frank23tgm4883_laptop: I never tried it though02:17
tgm4883_laptopyep, thought about the whats next section right after i said that02:17
tgm4883_laptopi used it to setup my standalone,02:17
tgm4883_laptopnow i need it on my fileserver02:17
frank23cornell: you have some non-existant repositories in your list    /etc/sources.list02:21
cornellI don't need them, I can get rid of them?  It's not that I have to change them to something else?02:23
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familyI'm getting the following error when installing mythtv-backend:02:25
familysvn20070122-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102:25
familyand when I try to start the initscript, it gives me "mythtv user not found"02:25
familywhich seems to be caused by the first error02:25
frank23cornell: I don't why it's there in the first place but you can remove them if you want to02:26
frank23cornell: I never tried mythbuntu though so there might be something I don't know ;)02:27
cornellThanks frank23, (and there's no  /etc/sources.list ;-) )02:30
frank23oops ;)02:32
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Adlaihi, I just came back upstairs02:41
AdlaiI had a problem a bit ago installing mythtv-backend02:41
Adlaiit had some kind of post-installation error02:41
Adlaipresumably, one of the symptoms was that it didn't create the mythtv user02:41
Adlaianyone know anything about that?  I asked in this channel a few minutes ago as "family"02:42
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foxbuntusuperm1_, did you notice the numbers on the website?02:45
foxbuntu70 users online right now02:45
cornellThanks anyway frank2302:45
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tgm4883_laptopsuperm1_ i hope you saw that ping03:03
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keescookfrank23: can you file bugs about the dependencies?03:26
frank23keescook: ok03:28
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frank23keescook: in mythbuntu or just in ubuntu?03:31
imbrandonkeescook: ltns ;)03:40
imbrandonkeescook: ever use tvtime ?03:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135431 in mythtv "mythtv-database depends on update-notifier only" [Undecided,New] 03:48
jamsso is mythbunta 7.10 supposed to install the nvidia drivers?  I selected the nvidia, binary driver but X will not start because it can't find  it03:50
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keescookimbrandon: heya dude.  :)  I haven't used tvtime, no.06:43
superm1_tgm4883, i installed the views module for ya07:06
tgm4883_laptopsweet, thanks07:07
superm1_foxbuntu, you here?07:07
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cornell_workChecking out the website at http://www.mythbuntu.org, I notice that there's a number of guests, and few users online (notably tgm4883 and superm1) and no apparent registration mechanism.  Is being a "user" limited to active developers or something like that?  For that matter, would being a "user" be of any use to us common folk?01:42
cornell_workI also hit the web-based chat link, and got:01:43
cornell_workUnable to connect : java.net.UnknownHostException : irc.freenode.net01:43
lagacornell_work: AFAIK: being a registered user is limited to active developers01:43
lagaand me01:43
lagathere are no benefits to regular users AFAIK01:44
lagai don't even have java support in my browser01:45
lagamaybe we could have a cgi::irc instead.01:45
cornell_workFor what it's worth, I use cgi::irc from my server, easy to install, easy to use, reliable (mostly), doesn't depend upon java.01:54
lagais it reliable froma  security POV?01:55
cornell_workYou can easily limit it to only certain servers (irc.freenode.net) and certain channels (#mythbuntu, #ubuntu, whatever)01:55
cornell_workmmm... as in is it an easy entrance for hackers?01:56
lagacool stuff01:56
lagai was wondering about that ;)01:56
cornell_workum... don't know, let me consult my experts01:56
cornell_workWhile waiting for a response...  have you ever used it?01:59
lagayes, as a user01:59
Davieyheh http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/08/28/161258.shtml02:00
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DaveMorrisjava client crashed my browser02:17
DaveMorrisHardy Heron is gonna be LTS then, they'll be the 1st mythbuntu lts as well :)02:18
lagacool stuff02:19
DavieyHardy Heron?! what a horrid name02:19
DaveMorrisI blame jono ;)02:19
DavieyI blame jono for most things in life02:19
DaveMorrisso are we gonna have flock 1,2,3,4 then?02:21
Davieybah.. jono's evil laugh02:49
Davieyjono: in 4 channels,seperate people have whinged about the new name02:49
DavieyIt has much in common with donkeys02:49
DavieyWhat happend to Hungry Hippos02:50
Davieyor Horny Heron?02:50
jonoDaviey: really? do I care? no. :P02:50
lagaheron? isn't that some kind of duck?02:50
jonoDaviey: people always whinge about the name :)02:50
Daviey:O .. i dunno.. It's nice to hae a community manager that listens to his community ;)#02:51
DaveMorrisDaviey: they could always call it Ubuntu 8.0402:52
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Davieythey do02:52
DaveMorristhen dapper was released out of sync?02:53
DaveMorristhats what confused me02:53
Daviey6.06 june 0602:54
cornell_workoops... laga, tried to PM, guess my nick registration doesn't include this one ;-(  Re: cgi:irc...  http://cornell.pastebin.com/d773da72c02:55
lagacornell_work: hey, thanks a lot! :)02:55
lagawho's our webmaster, btw?02:56
DavieyDon't think any of *@mythbuntu.org works atm02:56
lagawho's the person hiding behind it? foxbuntu, superm1, tgm4883.. one of them it is IIRC02:57
DaveMorristbh it should prob go to most of us, since we can edit the site etc02:57
Davieywell.. that was the plan02:58
lagatrue enough02:59
DaveMorriswe gonna setup the mythbuntu email addresses again?02:59
cornell_workum... so an email to mirrors@mythbuntu wouldn't make it03:00
Davieycornell_work: think not03:03
Davieywe need to speak with bendailey about getting the dns sorted03:03
DavieyIt might be working03:04
Davieyor not03:04
lagaisn't mythbuntu.org supposed to move again?03:04
DaveMorrisbut is there an email server listening to it?03:04
Davieydave@dave-laptop:~$ host smtp.mythbuntu.org03:04
Davieysmtp.mythbuntu.org is an alias for mythbuntu.org.03:04
Davieymythbuntu.org has address
Davieymythbuntu.org mail is handled by 0 smtp.mythbuntu.org03:04
Davieydave@dave-laptop:~$ telnet smtp.mythbuntu.org:2503:05
Davieytelnet: could not resolve smtp.mythbuntu.org:25/telnet: Name or service not known03:05
cornell_workJust as well... my hoster says, that though he'd like to help, mirroring distros would provide us with a bandwidth "meltdown'03:06
cornell_workPersonally, I've only 10 GB/month03:07
Davieycornell_work: well it might still be helpful03:07
DavieyCould cap the bandwidth?03:07
lagai've got like 1 or 2 TB per month, but i won't distribute liblame. ;)03:07
cornell_workUm... but if I cap the bandwidth, and hit the cap, doesn't that shutdown the rest of my site as well?03:08
cornell_workTried to sign up for ubuntu/mythbuntu wiki... got sent to launchpad... it said it would send the info to my email address, if it doesn't show, subscribe to launchpad mailing list and mention it.03:11
cornell_workmmm signing up to say my signup didn't work?03:11
Davieylaga: you know liblame aint an mp3 encoder? ;)03:15
Davieycornell_work: sign up with launchpad; then sign up with the wiki03:16
lagaDaviey: SRSLY! :)03:16
DaveMorrisI'd imagine the actual site hardly uses any bandwidth, its the packages and iso's which is the main crunch03:17
DaveMorriswhich can all be hosted off the main site03:17
Davieywell maily ISO's.. @ >400Mb each03:18
DaveMorrisonce we have out xen server running at the uni I'll approach the IT guys to see if I can mirror here03:18
DavieyThe full repo is only <100Mb03:18
Davieyinc amd64,i386 & src03:18
DavieyDaveMorris: cool .. currently I have setup a UK mirror, I could set it up to RoundRobin between us03:19
DaveMorristhe 1st major problem is getting ubuntu installed onto an Intel Xserve03:23
cornell_workRight, Daviey, but signing up with launchpad includes they're sending stuff to my email, which hasn't been received in more than an hour.  They say if you don't get the email, then sign up (subscribe) to the launchpad mailing list and mention it there.03:27
Davieycornell_work: or maybe ask in #launchpad03:29
cornell_workAh... thank you03:29
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Davieysuperm1_: ping03:32
superm1_Daviey, i just got here, but i need to run.  i'll be back in ~30-90 min03:33
DavieyI'll be watching the clock03:33
Davieybefore you go... how does this sound as an application for signing.. "dpkg-sig"03:34
Daviey$ wnatis  - Create and verify signatures on .deb-files03:34
superm1_na you just sign Release files, not debs03:35
superm1_no need to sign debs03:35
superm1_did u see what i posted in here last evening03:36
superm1_explaining how to sign Release files03:36
superm1_and which ones to sign?03:36
Daviey superm1_> Daviey, sudo gpg --output $BUILD/dists/breezy/Release.gpg -ba03:38
Daviey          $BUILD/dists/breezy/Release03:38
superm1_but use feisty and gutsy instead03:39
Daviey /lastlog ftw03:39
Davieylet me try that.. so not all "Release" files needs signing?03:39
superm1_just the ones in the dists folders03:40
DavieyDoesn't quite work03:42
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Daviey(malformed Release file"03:43
Davieywant so see a pastebin of "Release"?03:43
superm1_ugh i'm gonna be late, i need to put this off for a bit okay?03:44
DavieyYou are in no hurry03:44
Davieyrelax.. better late than never03:44
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KenzuJust testing the new iso... but.. it can't find vnc on install04:31
lagawhat new iso?04:31
lagaalpha 3?04:31
Kenzuand when I upgrade after install I have to reconfigure all mythtv packages again04:31
Kenzu7.10 08/01/200704:32
Kenzusorry for the upgrade thing..04:33
lagayeah, that'd be alpha 304:33
Kenzucan see the upgrade thing on the homepage04:33
lagawhat do you mean: "and when I upgrade after install I have to reconfigure all mythtv packages again"?04:34
Kenzuit downloads all the new 0.20-2 packages and then it configure them agian... the same as in the install04:34
lagaare you asked any questions during the process?04:35
Kenzuyes all the same as in the install... password, lirc and so on04:36
Kenzumythweb access04:36
lagaweird stuff04:37
lagathat shouldn't happen.04:37
lagadid you do anything special?04:37
Kenzusudo aptitude update && sudo aptitute upgrade04:39
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KenzuIf I have a PVR500 what to chose when installing? on or to pvrxxx series tuner04:40
lagaKenzu: please file a bug then04:40
jamshey laga04:40
lagahey jams04:40
Kenzulaga, have just started allover.... if it's happes agian I will file a bug04:41
jamsso thats where you keep the bugs04:41
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jamsalpha 3 failed to install the nivida drivers for me04:42
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tembahi guys04:43
tembatgm4883 this edit in xorg.conf doesnt fixed the flickering on tv04:44
tembaany idea ?04:44
lagawhat flickering?=04:45
tembai get no clear screen04:45
tembaseems the lines dances weird around04:45
lagamore specific?04:45
tembascreen is on boot okay, i can read bios messages , but from the beginning of mythtv screen the screen is distorted04:46
Kenzuhow do I get Alpha 4?04:46
lagait's not available yet04:47
lagatemba: *how* is it distorted?04:47
KenzuI wan't the control center04:47
tembahmm how to discribe in english..........04:47
lagaKenzu: sudo aptitude install mythbuntu-control-centre04:47
lagatemba: http://dict.leo.org04:48
tembano clear screen, its like tv that is blurred, distorted04:48
lagacan you take a picture?04:50
tembai try04:53
lagahint: screenshots probably won't work ;)04:54
Kenzu2 things I miss, better unichrome support in install and xmltv packages installed as standard04:55
lagaKenzu: file some bug reports. :)04:56
Kenzulaga, but that are not bugs? that's features04:58
lagaKenzu: XMLTV not being included is clearly a bug to me.05:01
lagaKenzu: wrt unichrome/EPIA support: if you have any ideas how this is done best, create a blueprint.05:02
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superm1Daviey, okay i'm back05:02
tembalaga u know a service where i can upload the pictures ?05:13
Davieysuperm1: food.. brb05:13
DaveMorrisI'd prob suggest opening a bug report on launchpad assigned to us with the details and uploading the pics to that05:14
DaveMorrisKenzu: unichrome is important to me too as I have an epia1500EN board and would like to see it supported out of the box for TV-OUT and we will get around to it05:14
DaveMorrisonly problem is the other 1/2 will kill me if I take it out of service for any amount of time and I can't afford a development board atm05:16
tembalaga here a picture of screen after mythtv start http://profile.imageshack.us/user/wolfgangv/05:17
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DaveMorristemba are you using a PAL/NTSC tv and is it correctly set in your xorg file05:21
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tembaatgm4883 :D05:23
tembaahere a shot of the screen05:23
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tgm4883_laptopimageshack is taking forever05:25
tgm4883_laptopis this better or worse than before05:25
KenzuDaveMorris, I have to motherboards with unichrome... An Epia M10000 and A MSI with cle26605:26
DaveMorrisDid you need to build the drivers for those from the unichrome site, or did the other fork in ubuntu do the job?05:27
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lagahttp://www.moanmyip.com/ <- ROTFL05:28
laganot work safe05:29
DaveMorrisa bit late laga05:29
tgm4883_laptopa little late05:29
tembaau looked picture?05:29
tgm4883_laptopgood thing im quick on the close finger05:29
tgm4883_laptoptembaa, yes05:29
tgm4883_laptopis it better or worse than before05:29
DaveMorrisyeah, but it's been logged in my work's proxy05:29
superm1DaveMorris, openchrome is in gutsy fyi05:29
tgm4883_laptopi can only see a small pic of it05:29
tembaasame like before05:30
lagatgm4883_laptop, DaveMorris: sorry. didn't realize there might be working people in here ;)05:30
KenzuDaveMorris, just have to setup xorg and install drm packages05:30
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lagatgm4883_laptop, DaveMorris: it's only not safe for work if you have flash enabled and your speakers turned on05:30
DaveMorrissuperm1: I'll have to check them out05:30
tgm4883_laptopit's cool05:30
DaveMorrisno flash here till gutsy05:30
tgm4883_laptopI work mostly from home05:31
tembaahow can i get screen "clear"05:31
tgm4883_laptopbut im sitting next to my girlfriend05:31
tgm4883_laptopso she wasn't to thrilled05:31
DaveMorristemba can you provide a pastebin of your xorg file please?05:31
tembaanot really05:32
tembaatgm you can paste yours again?05:32
tembaaonly change is reso to 720x57605:32
tgm4883_laptopwhat kind of tv05:33
DaveMorrisare you using NTSC/PAL and what is your xorg set to?05:33
DaveMorrisare you using composite/svideo and what is your xorg set to?05:33
Kenzuwhat is the password for mythtv user?05:33
lagatgm4883_laptop: just blame it on random idiots from IRC ;)05:33
lagaffs, imageshack is slow05:33
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, he is using svideo to scart05:33
tgm4883_laptopI did the best I could, but i dont know a whole lot about pal05:33
DaveMorrisoh, I use svideo/pal05:34
DaveMorriswell svideo->scart/pal05:34
tembaayo same here05:34
tgm4883_laptopwhat resolution05:34
tgm4883_laptoptembaa is in germany05:34
DaveMorriswhat sort of svideo-scart cable is it?  As some are one way only (I found out the hard way)05:34
DaveMorrisI'll ssh home and find out05:34
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, he gets bios and such fine, it's just when mythbuntu gui starts05:35
tembaai have a scart with switch IN/OUT05:35
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tembaaDaveMorris u changed alot to get it run ?05:37
DaveMorrisok, I'm using an EPIA1500EN board, and am actually using a compostite->svideo->scart adapter and I have this in the relvelent sections http://pastebin.ca/67482905:37
DaveMorrishowever I'm not sure whats needed to work with your card (what ever it is)05:39
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, you output at 800x600 over composite?05:39
tgm4883_laptopor 640x48005:39
DaveMorrisI don't really know05:39
DaveMorrisit works though :)05:39
tgm4883_laptopI think 640x480 probably05:39
tgm4883_laptopsvideo only does 480i05:40
DaveMorrismore than likely05:40
tgm4883_laptopor 576i05:40
tgm4883_laptoptemba, i would stick 640x480 in their and test that05:40
tembaa+1 ?05:42
DaveMorrisI agree05:42
DaveMorris-1 = I disagree05:42
tembaaahh oke05:42
tembaayo i will test the settings of DaveMorris05:43
DaveMorriswhats your gfx card?05:44
tgm4883_laptoptembaa, you don't want to use the via driver05:45
tembaaoh gfx card is ATI RADEON 925005:48
lagaati? heh05:48
laga17:38 < Falballa`> laga: 'ati' could be (#1) http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=26907, or (#2) <http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page>, or (#3) <http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2241#comment:4>, or (#4) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AtiProprietaryDriver05:49
lagatembaa: ^^05:49
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MythbuntuGuest28So how you guys like MythBuntu good choice for me?05:49
MythbuntuGuest28i love ubuntu05:49
MythbuntuGuest28and i want a mythbox05:49
tembaalaga , so dont works with ati ?05:50
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest28, do you want a desktop on the system also?05:50
DaveMorrisMythbuntuGuest28: thats great how can we help you?05:51
tgm4883_laptopI think we should shorten it to MythGuest on the site05:51
MythbuntuGuest28desktop please05:51
lagatembaa: read the links05:51
tembaaseems ATI is not supported for mythtv05:51
MythbuntuGuest28ati sucks with linix drivers allaround05:52
lagatembaa: especially the last one, there might be a fix somewhere05:52
tembaai see05:52
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest28 mythbuntu sounds like it would work05:52
tembaaapt-get install ubuntu-desktop tgm4883 ?05:54
tgm4883_laptopnot sure about that05:54
tgm4883_laptoptembaa, have you fixed the resolution problem05:55
tgm4883_laptopthe desktop can be installed from the control centre05:55
tembaanot yet i reading the last link laga posted05:55
tgm4883_laptopim not sure if it installs ubuntu-desktop or other packages05:55
MythbuntuGuest28"Many of the required drivers needed for a MythTV installation come with Mythbuntu, such as drivers for proprietary graphics cards and tuner cards."05:56
MythbuntuGuest28Any ati drivers included?05:56
DaveMorrisubuntu-desktop is a meta package which pulls in loads more05:58
DaveMorrisMythbuntuGuest28: it includes the drivers provided with Ubuntu05:58
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, yes, but is that what the control centre installs?05:58
DaveMorrisafaik the names match up to the packages, otherwise I'll slap whoever wrote it (Daviey)05:59
tembaahow do install this .patch ?05:59
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lagajust tried nvidia-settings to reconfigure my dual head setup. big mistake.06:23
lagacomplete failure.06:24
trog_you make a xorg.conf.bak? : )06:24
lagai think it does that automagially06:25
lagalet's see if i can make something useful with it06:25
trog_then all is not lost06:25
laganice surprise when your keyboard config is reset and you've got special characters in your password, though06:26
trog_charactermap onto gedit then copy/paste06:27
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tgm4883where do we look to see when .20.2 clears proposed?06:32
superm1tgm4883, it is a minimum of a 7 day process06:36
lagatrog_: gedit? in kdm? ;)06:37
lagatrog_: i just changed my password06:37
lagaanyways. twinview looks like it might just work for me. can i plz specifcy PAL now? kthx06:37
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lagaooh. this worked. nice.06:40
lagathis twinview stuff is kinda cool07:04
tgm4883superm1, since is doesn't break anything, I think we should install the inline images module in mythbuntu.org07:10
tgm4883I think it doesn't work for me because something is up with my host07:10
tgm4883of course, im talking to someone who isn't here :)07:10
DavieyWhere's superm1 when you need him!07:26
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superm1Daviey, you here?07:31
superm1laga, you here?07:40
superm1Daviey, ppa's backend is live07:40
Davieysuperm1: cool07:40
superm1so you need to clear our your apt-mirror07:40
superm1and apt-mirror the new url07:40
Davieywhat has changed?07:40
superm1new server07:41
superm1its not on dogfood07:41
superm1so its fresh builds07:41
Davieybtw.. I think the supplied 'Release' is malformed07:42
superm1perhaps you got it at a bad time?07:42
Davieypossibly.. but it's bad still07:42
Davieywhats the new url then?07:43
superm1rather than ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net07:43
Davieysure it's working?07:45
superm1why wouldn't it be?07:45
DavieyProceed indexes: [Ssh: ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu//dists/feisty/main/source/Sources.gz: No such file or directory07:45
Davieyapt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 368.07:45
superm1oh feisty isn't pushed yet07:46
superm1just gutsy07:46
superm1i guess give me a little bit07:46
superm1i'll push the feisty stuff07:46
Davieyseems small07:47
Davieyv. small07:47
Davieythats just deb-i386 binary tho07:48
Davieybut still *very* small07:48
superm1there are only a few apps in it07:48
superm1control centre, mythstream, ubiquity, mythbuntu-meta07:48
Daviey3Mb in total?!07:48
Davieysurely it's bigger than that07:49
Davieyeek.. sorry misread df07:49
superm1the whole repo should be like 12megs07:49
DavieyHmm.. i didn't misread it.. it is currently 3meg07:50
lagasuperm1: i'm here07:50
superm1laga, can you update your checkout of the weekly builds script07:50
superm1it should be ready to take your stuff and upload it to a ppa and all07:50
superm1to have launchpad do builds07:50
superm1so i'd like if you can push it to a personal ppa on your username07:51
superm1and we can try it07:51
lagacool stuff07:51
lagai'll try tomorrow, i've had enough linux today07:51
tgm4883superm1, you may want to try out the image inline module.  I still can't get it to work, and can't figure out if it's something on my hosts end, or something that i'm doing wrong.  I do however, have the gallery module working which also can put images inline07:55
superm1tgm4883, does image inline depend on gallery then?07:56
superm1or am i interpreting wrong?07:56
tgm4883interpreting wrong07:56
tgm4883gallery also can do what inline image does07:56
tgm4883i found that i pretty much needed gallery, as it was much easier just bringing over 200 images from G1 rather than reuploading07:57
superm1but for the purposes of mythbuntu, you think the normal image module will suffice then?07:57
tgm4883I still can't the the inline image module to work, so I uninstalled it07:57
tgm4883I think the normal image module will suffice, if we can get it to work07:58
laga19:47 < directhex> i've put up 0.20.2 packages for dapper too, if anyone still uses it07:58
tgm4883It may just be something strange with my host07:58
laga^^ cool07:58
tgm4883it doesn't break anything by installing it, so I think it's worth a shot07:58
superm1laga, where was this?07:58
superm1and how did he build them07:58
superm1well didn't i install image inline already on mythbuntu.org?07:59
superm1you mean installing gallery207:59
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tgm4883not sure, I can't see the modules that are installed, and if you did, then you didn't add the option in the input filter08:00
Davieysuperm1: can you share a `screen -x` with me?08:00
superm1never done that Daviey08:01
superm1how do i do?08:01
Davieypm ssh details - then `screen -x`08:01
superm1do you want my public key?08:01
superm1so you dont need to pm a password08:01
Davieymade a tmp passwd for now08:01
superm1oh ok08:02
Daviey- will do in the future tho08:02
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superm1well if all works out right with this build, then i'll find a way to push it around for you guys to all try08:05
tgm4883bittorrent module?08:05
tgm4883Can you check the installation of the inline image module?  I'll start working on it on mythbuntu.org if it's there08:06
superm1give me a min, i need to prep the rest of the alpha4 stuff08:07
tgm4883Also, check the Administer > Input Formats > Full HTML.  Under filters there should be a checkbox for the inline module08:08
imbrandonsuperm1: deactivating me ?08:10
superm1imbrandon, just on the ~ubuntu-mythtv, i was gonna pop you on ~mythbuntu though08:11
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superm1i was just going to leave ~ubuntu-mythtv for modifying the mythtv/mythplugins branches08:11
superm1and ~mythbuntu for the rest08:11
imbrandonkk just was curious08:11
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superm1okay tgm4883 its activated08:15
superm1gosh the number of modules on here is growing big.08:15
tgm4883well you can't have a website without feature :)08:15
superm1woah 34 users on here today08:16
superm1wonder why we're suddenly so popular :)08:16
tgm4883hmm interesting08:16
tgm4883I wonder if this is a different version of the module I had08:17
superm1is it working for you now?08:17
tgm4883still testing, but I can't pull from already uploaded pictures anymore08:17
tgm4883which module is this?08:19
tgm4883maybe it needs both and thats why mine didn't work08:20
tgm4883[inline:imag1.png=test] 08:20
tgm4883thats the module for it08:20
superm1i dont have img_assist?08:20
tgm4883the one installed now just puts a link for the uploaded image in the text08:21
superm1no it puts images too i thought08:21
tgm4883just tested08:21
superm1so you need to use one of the already listed images08:22
superm1that are in the image module08:22
tgm4883maybe i need to submit it then08:22
superm1what test page are you trying to play with08:22
tgm4883i just said create page08:23
tgm4883but i haven't submitted08:23
tgm4883a page doesn't hit the rss does it?08:23
Davieydon't think so08:23
tgm4883maybe i have the syntax wrong08:24
superm1i can't edit that page for some reason?08:25
lagaheh, FTBS08:25
superm1woah wth< i'm not logged in all of a sudden?08:25
superm1laga, with what?08:25
tgm4883yea i dont know, it's still the same for me08:30
superm1what is up with the site, its crawling right now...08:32
tgm4883did you change the css?08:32
tgm4883from install08:33
tgm48835. Add to the css stylesheet you're using in your theme (usually style.css)08:33
tgm4883   the following lines which you can tune to your needs. This style will be08:33
tgm4883   used by the module to print our images.08:33
tgm4883  .inline  {08:33
tgm4883   float: left; margin: 0em 1em 1em 0; display: inline;08:33
tgm4883   padding: 4px 4px;08:33
tgm4883  }08:33
superm1that would be it probably08:33
tgm4883you also need to set max size In admin/settings/inline08:33
superm1it needs to be modified on a per theme basis?08:33
superm1that's pretty bogus...08:33
tgm4883i guess, although I didn't see a style.css08:33
superm1okay let me get that in08:33
tembaawhat Gfx-Card can u guys recommend on linux / mythbuntu to get working screen on TV ?08:34
tgm4883in germany?08:34
tgm4883is there a gfx card that outputs scart08:35
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tembaanever heared of , think all have only s-video08:35
Davieytgm4883: seriously?!08:35
tgm4883well i do what it is08:35
tgm4883but haven't really ever seen a picture or anything08:36
tgm4883so i really vaguely know about it08:36
Davieyscart is a wrapper connection for S-video + sound or composite08:36
superm1tgm4883, okay i modified the style.css08:36
DavieyUsed heavily in europe08:36
tembaasince midd 80`s08:37
Davieyie. *all* tv's in europe have it afaik08:37
tembaalast years s-video get more favorite08:37
tgm4883i see it now08:37
tgm4883makes lots of sense08:37
tgm48831 cable for audio and video08:37
tgm4883still nothing superm108:38
superm1hm tgm488308:38
tembaaand i have scart where u can plugin sound + s-vid from pc08:38
superm1any other install steps?08:38
tembaayou guys use mythbuntu on tv or monitor ?08:38
tgm4883nothing that you haven't done08:38
tgm4883except maybe the one for different languages08:38
tgm4883tembaa, both kinda, my tv has vga in08:39
tgm4883would the failed to build email i got for the mythbuntu ppa be a bad thing, i think it is08:40
superm1tgm4883, um possibly i'll have to check.08:40
Davieyeeeek.. mythplugins failed to build?08:40
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tgm4883for i386 and amd6408:41
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MythbuntuGuest09hi, just wondering what minimum specs of machine are for latest version of mythbuntu?08:42
DavieyMythbuntuGuest09: hi08:42
tgm4883MythbuntuGuest09, depends on what you want to do with the machine08:42
DavieyMythbuntuGuest09: depends highly on what you want08:42
tgm4883High def, or standard def08:42
tgm4883frontend only, backend only, both08:42
MythbuntuGuest09backend serving to 2 modded xboxes08:43
tgm4883what kind and how many tv tuners08:43
MythbuntuGuest09curently 1 tv tuner, 1 sec, ill find the make08:43
DavieySome tuners do the mpeg conversion on the card; others make the CPU do it08:43
superm1tgm4883, that failed build is okay08:44
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superm1just needs to be requeued08:44
Davieyahh was it because it depennded upon packages that were not yet built?08:45
tgm4883superm1, maybe i need to try a different file type.  No go for .png?08:46
superm1tgm4883, i'd kinda doubt that, but it wont hurt to try another type08:46
MythbuntuGuest09its a visionplus 3020 dvb-t card08:47
MythbuntuGuest09cheap so im guessing not hardware encoder.08:47
Davieynever heard of it08:47
DavieyMythbuntuGuest09: dvb-t is raw mpeg stream08:47
Davieyso v. little cpu usage08:47
MythbuntuGuest09connexant chip and philips big silver thingy if that helps :P08:47
DavieyMythbuntuGuest09: will this box be both frontend and back?08:48
MythbuntuGuest09nah, just back08:49
MythbuntuGuest09its just a temporary fix for now, will be upgrading soon08:49
DavieyMythbuntuGuest09: naff all then08:49
Davieyunless you want to do commerical detection / re-encode08:49
MythbuntuGuest09will an athlon 2100+ 512mb ram do for?08:49
Daviey650Mhz will probably run it :)08:49
tgm4883superm1, neither jpg or gif worked either, so it must be something else wrong08:50
MythbuntuGuest09ooh, thats my 2nd choice pc :P08:50
Davieythat will be fine08:50
MythbuntuGuest09commercial detection?08:50
MythbuntuGuest09well, thanking you all very much :) you have been really helpful :)08:51
tgm4883I don't know whats wrong superm1, looking at the documentation it should be working08:52
tgm4883this is what it should be looking like08:52
tgm4883let me try one more thing08:53
tgm4883superm1, i may have figured it out08:54
superm1tgm4883, that can make for some sweet pages then08:55
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tgm4883what do you have the max size set for08:55
lagasuperm1: mythplugins, just got that email08:55
superm1laga, yea its okay08:55
tgm4883i think we have to manually make the pics the right size08:55
superm1laga, just needs to be requeued08:55
superm1it was tried to build too quick08:55
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tgm4883superm1, is the site still going slow for you?08:57
superm1tgm4883, i haven't visitied in a few min08:57
superm1i'm working with daviey on the apt-mirror08:58
tgm4883seems to be pretty quick for me08:58
superm1okay good08:58
superm1ick um that link for schedules direct in ubiquity isn't working08:58
superm1that's odd08:58
superm1in alpha4's iso08:58
tgm4883isn't it directed to http://www.schedulesdirect.org/08:58
lagawhere is alpha 4?08:59
superm1its not opening anything08:59
superm1laga, i just built it locally to test before pushing to you guys08:59
tgm4883superm1, does it open it if you already have firefox open?08:59
superm1tgm4883, nope same thing09:00
superm1doesnt do anything09:00
superm1wonder what happened there09:01
superm1okay well that's gotta be fixed before alpha4 goes out09:02
tgm4883do the other links work?09:02
superm1the link at the beginning for release notes appears to be active09:02
tgm4883let me check it out09:03
tgm4883which one is it again /mythbuntu-ubiquity/?09:03
superm1that sounds right09:04
tgm4883i'm going to have to pull the old one out of alpha 3 and look at that09:06
tgm4883it's going to take me a few minutes09:06
superm1well i think its something that changed in alpha4's ubiquity possibly09:07
superm1in the code09:07
superm1that is requiring things to work this way09:07
superm1tgm4883, you want to generate an alpha4 disk by you09:07
superm1and you can see perhaps?09:07
tgm4883there is another link in the alpha 4 that works though?09:07
tgm4883i may not need it, let me see if i can examine the other link first09:08
superm1let me double check09:08
superm1i'm pretty sure the first link works right09:08
tgm4883I can't find the other link, whats it in reference to?09:14
tgm4883superm1, build me that iso and i'll take a look at it09:14
superm1tgm4883, do you want me to show you how to build it?09:14
superm1its a really easy process now09:14
superm1i just committed my build script changes09:14
tgm4883uh, sure, can i build it for i386 on a amd64 easily?09:15
superm1oh yea09:15
tgm4883i dont' have any 64 bit VM's09:15
superm1you can debootstrap into an i386 chroot, you can build it09:15
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superm1no you dont09:16
superm1it does it for you09:16
superm1during the build09:16
superm1the whole build consists of one step now09:16
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tgm4883it's those 12 step programs that get him09:16
superm1get the mythbuntu-livedisk branch09:16
superm1revno 12 has my latest changes09:17
tgm4883arg, i didn't add that to my packaging file09:17
superm1tgm4883, you don't even want to see my ~/Software/source directory09:18
tgm4883bzr branch ...live disk?09:18
superm1 bzr+ssh://superm1@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk/09:18
superm1is what i use09:18
superm1on gutsy ya09:20
superm1on feisty, use sftp://09:20
tgm4883ok, i got something wrong then09:21
superm1that's right09:21
superm1oh nvm the other URL is broken too09:21
superm1the Release Notes one09:21
tgm4883No such file or directory09:21
superm1okay well dont worry about it then09:21
superm1for now09:21
tgm4883ok, but I still get No such file or directory09:21
tgm4883so we'll have to figure that out sometime09:22
superm1bzr branch sftp://tgm4883@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk/ ?09:22
tgm4883f, i knew i was supposed to have the bzr branch part09:22
tgm4883all good now09:22
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hendrixskihey... quick questions about Ubuntu, mythtv, and xservers...09:26
hendrixskidoes Mythtv run on any other xservers other than x11? like xvesa or something?09:26
hendrixskiand does Ubuntu package those in any way?  like how DSL does? or the yahoo group trying to make ubuntu-lite?09:26
hendrixskierr.. google groups09:27
superm1tgm4883, once you have that checked out you do the build like this:09:40
superm1NEW_DIRECTORY=/home/user/blah sudo sh mythbuntu_install.sh09:41
superm1and it goes09:41
superm1you can override any other variable in the script near the top too09:41
superm1should you want to09:41
superm1hendrixski, it should work on other Xservers09:41
superm1dont see any reason why not09:41
superm1tgm4883, did you experiment with imagecache too?09:45
tgm4883superm1, not yet, have a few work related items i need to attend to09:45
superm1ah okay09:45
superm1well i just installed it, i wonder if that is all that will be needed :)09:46
superm1i saw it mentioned on the page09:46
superm1tgm4883, ^09:47
hendrixskisuperm1, sweet09:47
hendrixskiI'm thinking of giving it a try with some of the xservers used in embedded systems...in order to get faster performance...09:47
hendrixskiand I'm looking for an Ubuntu distribution that has any of those tools... I'm guessing Ubuntu-lite will, but I don't see them progressing.09:48
superm1hendrixski, if such utilities aren't packaged yet, touch bases with me around after gutsy is finished, and i'll help get things in for gutsy+109:49
superm1packaged and such09:49
hendrixskisuperm1, will do09:49
hendrixskiI'm thinking of starting a company that'll develop a service model, and one of the many components for our apliance would be Mythtv... and of course, I'm an ubuntu user so I want to use Ubuntu as much as I can... I have a feeling that you and I are going to be talking a lot in the near future.  :-)09:50
tgm4883superm1, do you know what the max size is set for the inline module?09:54
tgm4883I had to shrink that pic down in order to get it to work09:54
superm1tgm4883, imagecache should dynamically scale it now i'd think09:55
tgm4883i'll try it with image cache then09:55
superm1 where do i check the max size though?09:55
tgm4883check pm09:56
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ubotuNew bug: #135216 in mythtv (multiverse) "OSD fonts badly rendered in most zoom settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13521610:00
superm1foxbuntu, foxbuntu_laptop you here?10:12
Davieysuperm1: I truly give up!10:35
DavieyI am stumped10:35
superm1Daviey, you cant give up10:35
superm1you signed a contract10:35
superm1that you will figure this out10:35
DavieyO RLY10:35
DavieyIs this contract enforceable under english law10:36
Davieyor just naff o' US law? :)10:36
superm1well its not a software patent10:36
superm1so yes10:36
DavieyI honestly don't know what else to do10:37
Davieyi've tried signing all Releases10:37
superm1perhaps this is why they haven't introduced signing to the buildds yet10:38
superm1some annoying bug like this10:38
Davieysuperm1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baz/+bug/70210:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 702 in baz "Error accessing signed package archive" [Medium,New] 10:39
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superm1woah that looks familiar....10:39
DavieySo we need to recreate the Releases file10:40
Davieybut how?10:40
superm1that's a bit of an old bug though10:40
Davieystill same issue10:40
lagasuperm1: WRT mythbuntu-control-centre and vnc: we could patch mythweb to add a java vnc client. just a thought10:46
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superm1laga, ooh i like that idea10:47
Davieysuperm1: apt-get update ;)10:47
Davieygetting there10:47
superm1W: GPG error: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG C1A77650EEED06D0 Mythbuntu Automated Package Builder <packages@mythbuntu.org>10:48
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keescooksuperm1: no data again today, but it does know my expiration date.11:11
superm1keescook, hm that's not good.  i'll double check mine when i get home tonight11:11
keescooksuperm1: cool11:11
keescookwe've got 13 days to fix it.  ;)11:12
keescookThere's guide data until 2007-09-11 20:00 (13 days).11:12
superm1keescook, well seb128 gave me a handful about uploading another SRU11:12
superm1saying i have to subscribe ~ubuntu-archive11:12
superm1and that i shouldnt be asking in -devel for someone to do it11:13
keescook*sigh*  too bad the SRU docs don't mention it.11:13
superm1keescook, i got fed up with it, and i put it on the MOTU meeting agenda11:15
superm1for the upcoming meeting11:15
keescookyeah.  hmpf11:15
superm1i might not be able to make the meeting, but i think it should at least be discussed11:16
DavieySaturday, September 8th, 00:00 UTC.  ---- SERIOUSLY?!11:19
superm1i know.11:19
superm1horrible timing11:19
DavieySomebody must be tugging on my catheter11:19
tgm4883how do you show html code on a page?  For instance I want to show <span class="inline left"><img src="/files/images/pnw-logo.png" width="250"> on the page, not have it insert the image11:24
keescook< == &lt;   and > == &gt;   these are called "entity encoding"11:25
keescookso e.g.:    &lt;span class="inline left"&gt;11:26
tgm4883ah, thanks11:26
keescooknp :)11:26
superm1looks like i'm already unearthing bugs in pre-ppa-productions release.  i suddenly have all these uploads on my lp.net/~superm1/+packages that i uploaded to ppa.  oops :)11:27
Davieysuperm1: ;)11:51
Davieyapt-get update11:51
superm1you got it?11:51
Davieynot *quite*11:52
superm1W: Conflicting distribution: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release (expected gutsy but got )11:52
superm1but the GPG key works!11:52
Davieyno idea wtf the error is about tho11:52
superm1what'd you chnage?11:53
Davieyrecreated Release11:54
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tgm4883wholey crap12:08
tgm4883all my write ups end up being really long12:09
tgm4883well anyway, superm1,  i think this explains how to use img assist pretty well12:09
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Davieysuperm1: apt-get update NOW12:09
tgm4883anyway, i have an errand to run, so let me know what you think12:10
MythbuntuGuest90hi I have a video errow with the live cd? it tells me that I need t o set up my video card but I dont knolw how to do it12:10
superm1woah Daviey :)12:11
superm1it works!12:11
MythbuntuGuest90I have a radeon 925012:11
Davieysuperm1: that was peeing me off12:12
Davieynow i need to put it into a script12:13
MythbuntuGuest90hello anyone?12:13
DavieyMythbuntuGuest90: we are here12:13
MythbuntuGuest90can you help please?12:13
DavieyIs it an error, or just a text box?12:13
DavieyI don't know the answer tbh; but I'm sure you can skip it at this stage and come back to it12:14
DavieyUbuntu might do it for you :)12:14
MythbuntuGuest90it tells me that it cannot setup my video card, sorry I came out of it so I cannot tell the exact error but it wont let me get any further. it goes to the coman prompt12:15
DavieyThere again; it also depends if you have a 4:3 or 16:9 TV attahed12:15
MythbuntuGuest90it tells me that it cannot setup my video card, sorry I came out of it so I cannot tell the exact error but it wont let me get any further. it goes to the command prompt12:15
Davieyhmm.. I think keescook might be your man on that12:15
MythbuntuGuest90`6:9 tv lcd12:15
DavieyHe was playing around with autodetection iiirc12:15
MythbuntuGuest9016:9 even12:16
keescookless autodetection, more "make udev keep my devices in the right order".  ;)12:16
MythbuntuGuest90so what can I do to get past it? I'm usinga live CD to test it withput install12:16
MythbuntuGuest90sorry for the typing...I'm using a media centre keyboard.. not too accurate :)12:17
MythbuntuGuest90is there a command I can type in to set up my video display and move on? it mentions GDM needs restarting when I've setup the video?12:19
Davieyrestart gdm with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart12:19
MythbuntuGuest90ok.. I12:20
DavieyI'm sorry, but I can't help more12:20
MythbuntuGuest90I'll try that thanks12:20
DavieyI would suggest you raise a bug tho ;)12:20
MythbuntuGuest90I'll have a go at that and then raise a bug if doesnt work. Thanks :)12:22
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williammandaanyone one awake?12:48
Davieywilliammanda: yah12:49
williammandahave you heard of setting up a lcd monitor using dvi to hdmi connection? dvi-video hdmi-monitor12:50
Alowishusshould be no problem with the right cable?12:51
Davieywilliammanda: i use that on my production machine12:53
williammandai bought a dvi-hdmi cable from walmart12:53
Davieyhdmi-monitor = 32" 16:9 LCD TV12:54
williammandai'm stuck trying to get 1366*768 res12:54
Davieywilliammanda: bear in mind that normally hdmi carries sound.. and DVI-HDMI won't12:54
williammandai have a vizio 42 lcd and nvidia 7300 le.....the best I can get is 1280*72012:55
Davieyand the native resolution is 1366*76812:56
williammandathe video quality isn't good12:56
DavieyHD video?12:56
williammandayes...and the native resolution is 1366*76812:56
williammandayes..HD is poor12:56
DavieyHave you checked the manual on what the TV is expecting from HDMI12:57
DavieyMy TV had about 3 options12:57
williammandaI'm using Option "UseEDID" "True"12:57
DavieySorry.. I mean - on the actual TV12:58
Davieymy TV would only accept 3 resolutions IIRC12:58
williammandathe tech at vizio says you can only expect 640*480 using dvi-hdmi12:58
Alowishusthat's nuts12:58
Davieywilliammanda: bah.. full of rubbish12:58
williammandasurprised me when he said that12:58
Davieybrb.. dog walkies12:59
Alowishuswondering if he was thinking S-Video12:59
williammandanot sure...we never talked about anything other than using digital12:59
williammandaam i missing something or have I got the best I can get so far?01:00
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CBiLLhowdy .. how alpha4 coming along?01:03
williammandaif i can't get the resolution to get recognized automatically by using Option "UseEDID" "True" then do i need to you modeline?01:06

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