[12:37] <jordi> soren: nod. I'll poke at that.
[01:35] <halcyonCorsair> hi, can anyone tell me how limits are dealt with in ubuntu/debian? (ie. limits.conf?)
[01:46] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: I don't have that file? Is that something that exisits in another distribution?
[01:47] <ajmitch> pschulz01: you probably do have it, at /etc/security/limits.conf
[01:47] <pschulz01> ajmitch: Ta.
[01:47] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: all i really want to do is increase the maximum number of open files, whats the best wat to do that?
[01:49] <ajmitch> you may be hitting a kernel limit as well
[01:49] <ajmitch> though unlikely
[01:49] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You are 'probably' looking for something like what is set in /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[01:50] <ajmitch> pschulz01: that value is very high
[01:50] <ajmitch> having that many files open would be unusual
[01:50] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Although.. the result of 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' is 202982
[01:50] <pschulz01> ajmitch: yep.
[01:50] <ajmitch> ulimit -n would show 1024 usually
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: pschulz01: i think the limit i'm looking at can be found via ulimit -n
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> yeah...
[01:51] <ajmitch> using pam_limits?
[01:51] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm pretty sure i need to increase that....as i mentioned, i'm trying to run bind9 over 1012 vlans...
[01:51] <ajmitch> sounds painful
[01:52] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Looks like /etc/security/limits.conf is what you need.. this is what pam_limits uses.
[01:52] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: well....1012 vlans, each segregated, each needs dns *shrugs*
[01:53] <ajmitch> and pam_limits would need to be in /etc/pam.d/common-session, I presume you have that there
[01:54] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i only have pam_unix.so and pam_foreground.so in common-session
[01:54] <ajmitch> ok, add it & try
[01:54] <ajmitch> though bind9 may itself have a limit on how many files it can open
[01:56] <ajmitch> and I have to run out in 5 minutes, sorry
[01:56] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: can i just add the line "pam_limits.so" to the end of common-session?
[01:56] <ajmitch> 'session required pam_limits.so'
[01:57] <ajmitch> order is important, so it may need to go near the top
[01:57] <ajmitch> however I don't know how this will get used with a daemon like bind9
[01:58] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/p/M9xUdJ51.html
[01:58] <halcyonCorsair> that was what i was getting
[02:00] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: My setup shows 'pam_limits.so' entries in pam.d in cron,ssh,login,su...
[02:01] <ajmitch> damn, have to leave
[02:01] <ajmitch> back later
[02:01] <halcyonCorsair> alright, i'll soldier on :) see what i can come up with
[02:01] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Are you convinced that it's 'number of files' problem?
[02:02] <Nafallo> lalala
[02:02] <pschulz01> Nafallo: Howdy babe.
[02:03] <Nafallo> hehe. hi :-)
[02:03] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: not convinced, but its my best lead at the moment
[02:04] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Other than googling for the error.. If you can start up bind with 'strace' you should be able to find the exact call that fails.
[02:04] <Nafallo> oh!
[02:04] <Nafallo> I forgot to move a cable :-)
[02:06] <Nafallo> good thing I got access til 7 in the morning :-)
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[02:08] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Morning.
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, morning. hows it going?
[02:09] <pschulz01> Nafallo has already sang the 'good-morning' babe song.
[02:09] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Working on some requirements documentation :-)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, fun fun.
[02:10] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: You'll see it shortly :-)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> abotu to start typing notes again  (and multitasking with irc, so bad look)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, that sounds rather hopeful :)
[02:10] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Where there's life there's hope.
[02:11] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: What do you know about XSL/XSLT ?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, how very philosphical... just wish i could agree atm - i'm about to commit myself to another day of typing... RSI anyone?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i've heard of themb efore
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> they sound fairly familiar
[02:12] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm moving all my 'user' details into an XML format. The plan is that that will help with the migration.
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah... then i've probably heard them in relation to docbook
[02:14] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I'll leave you to it.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i'm looking at irc now and then, if i dont reply, i'm typing elseware :)
[02:46] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: does this mean anything to you? http://rafb.net/p/GBvKm991.html
[02:47] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You live in NZ
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> halcyonCorsair: yes?
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: the strace....anything there?
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> oops
[02:50] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Can yuo run it again with the 'include children' option? (-f I think)
[02:51] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: What I want to see is the print call that produces the error that you are seeing... then we can work back from there.
[02:52] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: eek, its 1.3M
[02:53] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: tail -n 200
[02:53] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: With maybe a grep.
[02:54] <halcyonCorsair> i won't get to see it print the error in there i don't think, will I/
[02:59] <ajmitch> grep helps
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser>  grep "string" -A15 -B15
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> i think this is the relevant section for the first vlan that bind9 fails for:
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> http://rafb.net/p/A9bKUz60.html
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch, pschulz01: see anything interesting there?
[03:05] <ajmitch> you mean apart from the 'too many open files' bit?
[03:07] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: which would bring me back to trying to change the max open files limit, yes?
[03:09] <ajmitch> quite
[03:10] <halcyonCorsair> peachy
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:11] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm running bind chrooted, so in my limits.conf file, i need: "bind hard nofile 4096" perhaps?
[03:12] <ajmitch> you can try it
[03:12] <halcyonCorsair> i love the confidence :)
[03:12] <ajmitch> not many people ask about having >1000 vlans in here :)
[03:14] <halcyonCorsair> well sure....they're just afraid to push the boundaries!  :P
[03:17] <Nafallo> ehrm
[03:17] <Nafallo> what would you need that for?
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> Nafallo: a hotel with about 500 rooms, most of those needing two vlans with dhcp
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> hmm, although potentially the second vlan in each room doesn't need dhcp.....
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> but thats irrelevant
[03:21] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i get a lot more of this now: socket: too many open file descriptors
[03:21] <halcyonCorsair> but i don't see a noticable difference
[03:23] <ajmitch> I wonder what would happen if you had multiple bind instances, just as a test
[03:24] <halcyonCorsair> how would you propose i do that?
[03:24] <ajmitch> you could do multiple chroots & start each individually
[03:25] <halcyonCorsair> an interface / subnet per instance?
[03:27] <ajmitch> that would end up with a lot of processes
[03:28] <ajmitch> try just splitting it in 2 for now
[03:32] <halcyonCorsair> hmm
[03:36] <ajmitch> I presume you're generating a list of interfaces to listen on?
[03:40] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm not specifying the interfaces, no
[03:40] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: what i'm specifying is the subnets
[03:41] <ajmitch> either way
[03:41] <ajmitch> so you can split based on that
[03:41] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/p/smj01748.html
[03:42] <ajmitch> ok, that looks like dhcp to me
[03:42] <ajmitch> I'm meaning how you specify the bind configuration
[03:43] <halcyonCorsair> oh whoops
[03:43] <halcyonCorsair> hmm, now that you mention it....
[03:48] <halcyonCorsair> come to think of it, i've been thinking bind and looking at dhcp....
[03:48] <halcyonCorsair> i don't do anything to specify interfaces or anything for bind....
[03:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: any idea on where i should begin?
[03:50] <ajmitch> probably something to look at then
[03:50] <ajmitch> how are you starting it chrooted?
[03:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: yes
[03:51] <halcyonCorsair> also, where can i check whether the packager compiled it multithreaded?
[03:51] <ajmitch> I asked how
[03:51] <ajmitch> apt-get source bind9, see debian/rules
[03:53] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: as per: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p4
[03:56] <ajmitch> ok, interesting
[03:57] <ajmitch> so you could probably hack up the initscripts & create a new chroot, etc
[03:57] <ajmitch> if you wanted to try it out that way
[03:57] <ajmitch> I'd prefer to solve the open file descriptors issue
[04:03] <halcyonCorsair> me too
[04:03] <halcyonCorsair> but what i'm trying is coming up empty
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> using /etc/security/limits.conf to up the hard and soft nofiles limit
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> upping /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> and still no change
[04:05] <ajmitch> most likely a hard limit in bind9 itself, at compile time
[04:06] <ajmitch> since I've seen references to things like mangling headers to get a single process to use > 1024 open file descriptors
[04:06] <ajmitch> eg FD_SETSIZE in /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h
[04:08] <halcyonCorsair> are you saying i'll need to change that and recompile?
[04:08] <ajmitch> I'm saying that I've seen that recommended, yes
[04:09] <ajmitch> I don't know if it'll work or if it's a good idea
[04:10] <ajmitch> sure
[04:34] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: can i be sure its getting FD_SETSIZE from there?
[04:35] <ajmitch> nope
[04:35] <ajmitch> bits/typesizes.h:#define        __FD_SETSIZE            1024
[04:35] <ajmitch> it's also in 1 or 2 other places
[04:36] <ajmitch> it'd be a really ugly hack if you have to do it this way
[04:40] <KurtKraut> How can I know how many kbytes a process is occupying in RAM ?
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair> there is a lib/bind/include/fd_setsize.h in the bind source, but it says:
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair> * If you need a bigger FD_SETSIZE, this is NOT the place to set it.
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair>  * This file is a fallback for BIND ports which don't specify their own.
[05:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: unless you have another suggestion, short of trying another dns server, its all i got
[05:21] <ajmitch> you've tried it, I presume?
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> another dns server?
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> or the FD_SETSIZE?
[05:22] <ajmitch> no, changing the header & recompiling bind9
[05:22] <ajmitch> it should only take a few minutes to verify
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> oh, i'm about to do that now
[05:23] <ajmitch> doing it in a chroot may be wise
[05:23] <ajmitch> you know the general procedures for building debian packages, right?
[05:23] <halcyonCorsair> i've changed typesizes.h & posix_types.h
[05:23] <halcyonCorsair> i haven't done it in about 2 or 3 years, since i last used debian, so not really....a howto of some kind or something would be handy here
[05:24] <ajmitch> generally just apt-get install build-essential, apt-get build-dep bind9, apt-get source bind9, then go into the dir & debuild
[05:24] <ajmitch> (you probably want devscripts as well)
[05:25] <ajmitch> changing the version number in debian/changelog could be a good idea to avoid the package getting clobbered on upgrade
[05:25] <ajmitch> but then you're on your own for further updates
[05:26] <halcyonCorsair> right
[05:36] <halcyonCorsair> building now
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> whats the easiest way to install all my new packages?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg -i?
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> ah dpkg -i *.deb did the trick
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> i wasn't sure if it would figure out the deps properly
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: success
[05:49] <halcyonCorsair> how depressing
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. have to rebuild bind?
[05:50] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: I was afraid of that
[05:50] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: worse - rebuilding bind after modifying headers in /usr/include
[05:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: do you have the bind9 source at the moment?
[05:51] <ajmitch> sure
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, ew
[05:58] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: look at lib/isc/unix/resource.c and search for FD_SETSIZE
[05:59] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: there is a big comment starting with "The BIND 8 documentation reports:"
[05:59] <ajmitch> hm
[06:03] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: postfix and squid both seem to hack around this, but i guess bind hasn't had enough problems for people to care
[06:04] <ajmitch> bind tends not to need to open thousands of file descriptors at the same time
[06:07] <halcyonCorsair> *shrugs*
[06:07] <ajmitch> most people tend not to have quite that many interfaces, for some reason
[06:07] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: it used to be a problem with an older design, particularly on windows, and they've obviously taken note of it
[06:08] <ajmitch> or they'd run bind on 1 ip address & rely on something like iptables or routing to redirect packets :)
[06:08] <halcyonCorsair> potentially that might be smarter :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> it may save you headaches in the long run
[06:19] <lamont> why does someone want BIND to have that many open files?
[06:20] <ajmitch> 11:52 < halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: well....1012 vlans, each segregated, each needs dns *shrugs*
[06:20] <ajmitch> moderate levels of insanity
[06:21] <halcyonCorsair> i didn't design the system....just trying to get it to work
[06:21] <lamont> and they can talk to BIND on an off-subnet IP, no?
[06:21] <halcyonCorsair> lamont: they're not meant to be able to no
[06:21] <lamont> multiple BIND instances comes to mind, or just have bind listen on A.B.C.D and have everyone talk to that IP
[06:21] <ajmitch> both of those suggestions have come up today
[06:21] <lamont> put the DNS server in it's own DMZ, which forces accessability from each vlan
[06:22] <halcyonCorsair> sometimes i really don't step back enough to see that fixing the current way the system works is stupid, and i should update the method
[06:22] <lamont> beyond that, you're talking making changes to bind9 that probably don't want to be in the stock distro for ubuntu (or debian, or anywhere, for that matter) --> support costs
[06:23] <halcyonCorsair> lamont: yeah
[06:24] <lamont> ergo, I'd be inclined to make it listen on 1 IP, and have 1012 views if I need to keep everything that separate...
[06:28] <halcyonCorsair> i'll probably just allow each vlan back to the main IP of that interface for DNS
[09:16] <dezmaeth> hi, im having a problem, i installed a new network card, and now , any of my network cards are working, i did /etc/init.d/networking restart , but nothing , none gets ip
[02:34] <nandemonai> Hey guys, general nfs question.. If I have machine A mounting from machine B and machine B is rebooted or shutdown.. Will it umount on machine A safely?
[02:40] <ICU> no
[02:41] <soren> nandemonai: No. Any attempt to access the share will hang until the machine is back up.
[02:42] <nandemonai> soren, Hmm ok.. by hang you mean time out or will it cause real issues?
[02:43] <soren> nandemonai: Depends on how it was mounted. It might hang indefinetely.
[02:44] <soren> nandemonai: I've heard stories about nfs server going down due to hardware issues, being sent to the manufacturer for repairs, coming back, getting turned back on, and then all of the clients just continued where they left off.
[02:44] <nandemonai> soren, Mounted via a term, sudo mount yadda yadda. It's just I have a share from my desktop to the server and wondered about if I need to shutdown or whatnot.
[02:44] <nandemonai> soren,  Heh that's pretty impressive.
[02:45] <soren> nandemonai: If you're just rebooting the server, everything should be fine.
[02:45] <nandemonai> soren, I guess if I need to shutdown for a period of time I should just umount server-side.
[02:46] <nandemonai> soren, Server will be up fulltime, it's the fact it has a mount coming from my desktop I want to share that's the issue. I don't want to have to keep the desktop up fulltime also.
[02:47] <soren> nandemonai: You can just leave it as is. If you try to read from it, it just won't return until the share is available.
[02:48] <nandemonai> soren, Okie doke. It's not like it's a corporate environment or anything, just didn't want the server to die if one of my roomies tries to access the share and it's not up my end.
[02:48] <nandemonai> soren, Thanks for the info ;)
[02:49] <soren> nandemonai: Any time
[03:11] <kurosaki> soren, Umm, hate to be a nag, but I went ahead and rebooted the desktop and now even though it's back up I'm getting: Stale NFS file handle trying to access the share on the server.
[03:13] <mralphabet> kurosaki=nandemonai?
[03:13] <kurosaki> oh yeah.. sry
[03:14] <soren> kurosaki: Could you pastebin the output of /proc/mounts, please?
[03:14] <ivoks> hello
[03:14] <soren> Hi, ivoks!
[03:14] <nandemonai> I went ahead and umounted them and remounted so my proc wont be helpful right?
[03:15] <soren> nandemonai: Not really :)
[03:15] <nandemonai> ro,async,subtree_check
[03:15] <nandemonai> They look ok?
[03:20] <soren> nandemonai: Yeah, that looks sane.
[03:21] <nandemonai> soren, That's what I thought. Oh well no biggie. I just have to remember to umount if I'm going to shutdown for a bit.
[03:21] <soren> nandemonai: http://sysunconfig.net/unixtips/stale_nfs.txt
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: Do any of those apply, you think?
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: What was shared?
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: It really, really should work. You should not have to reboot
[03:22] <nandemonai> soren, Well it's shared to a www dir via nfs
[03:23] <soren> nandemonai: I'm more interested in where it's shared *from*.
[03:23] <nandemonai> soren, That all works primo just didn't seem to like the server(ie my desktop) rebooting.
[03:24] <nandemonai> soren, My desktop. Which I want to be able to shutdown on occasion. To local house 'server' ubuntu as well which is the client mounting from my machine.
[03:24] <soren> nandemonai: Sure, but which part of the filesystem?
[03:25] <nandemonai> soren, Just a dir with some data from my home dir.
[03:25] <soren> nandemonai: I'm trying to determine if it's plausible that might appear to disappear for nfs.
[03:25] <soren> nandemonai: Sounds odd. If you can provide simple steps to reproduce it, I'd appreciate it.
[03:26] <nandemonai> soren, Ok sure. I'll reboot my machine again and see if the share stales out again.
[03:30] <nandemonai> Well that would be right..
[03:31] <nandemonai> It's fine now.
[03:31] <nandemonai> Although, I didn't try and access it from another machine while it was down, which I did the previous time. I'll try that.
[03:42] <nandemonai> Okies that did it. Seems that rebooting the nfs-server (my desktop) and then trying to access the share on the nfs-client (home server) hangs when my machine is down which makes sence ;) Ok then bring the nfs-server back up and the shares are showing as mounted via df with - - - - and an ls of the mount point reads Stale NFS Handler again.
[03:43] <nandemonai> Err on the nfs client that is after my machine is back up.
[03:45] <nandemonai> Both running ubuntu 7,04 and up to date. The home server is 64bit if that makes a difference... Any other info you'd like soren?
[03:49] <nandemonai> soren, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35548/ is my /proc/mounts after this has occurred. Last two lines are the two stale mounts.
[03:52] <soren> nandemonai: nfs-kernel-server?
[03:52] <nandemonai> soren, Yes indeedy.
[03:53] <soren> nandemonai: Could you please file a bug about it?
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, Sure, will do.
[03:54] <soren> nandemonai: Thanks very much.
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, So expected behaviour is that it should resume nicely once the server is back up right?
[03:54] <soren> nandemonai: IMO, yes.
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, Okies.
[05:25] <raky> i've just finished a long trial with centos 5.  too many things missing for what i'm doing.  is ubuntu server 7.04 good-to-go, or should i revert to 6.10 or 6.06 server?
[05:26] <mralphabet> raky: it depends on what your requirements are
[05:26] <mralphabet> raky: do you need certain versions of packages?
[05:26] <raky> i just want to do a pxe-install and use Xen or VMware
[05:27] <mralphabet> vmware works out of 6.06 and 6.10, I am using it on 7.04 atm (though at the time I installed, it was unsupported)
[05:28] <mralphabet> for xen I would suggest 7.04
[05:28] <mralphabet> I am sure vmware is working out of the box now
[05:29] <raky> so i saw a few tweaks for VMware in 7.04.  where they as small as i saw - only like fixing 5 or so lines with command line?
[05:30] <mralphabet> I did it ~4 months ago and at the time it was less then 2 minutes to do it
[05:30] <raky> great, thanks
[05:31] <raky> and what OSs have you made into VMs?
[05:31] <mralphabet> 2003 server, xp, vista
[05:31] <raky> sweet
[05:31] <raky> i'll just need to virt. some other linux distros
[05:31] <mralphabet> should work great
[05:32] <raky> thanks, mralphabet
[05:34] <mralphabet> np
[06:08] <osmosis> anyone using Xen ?
[06:08] <osmosis> I wanted to know how it is.
[06:35] <raky> I'm gonna choose a gui for Xen in a few days, there are several to choose from.
[06:36] <raky> osmosis, xen has a lot more variables to choose from than vmware.  and virtualization techniques are a little diff between the two.
[06:42] <raky> oh, and see ##xen for more details, osmosis
[07:35] <osmosis> raky: okay cool
[07:44] <raky> i have hardware RAID 5.  is install ubuntu to hdd diff from install to first hdd on the first prompt?
[07:47] <mralphabet> raky: should be fine, software raid is troublesome, however
[08:48] <dho_ragus> raky: i've had some issues with hardware raid and found solutions for all of them.  i don't understand what you're asking though.
[08:49] <raky> i just wondered if the install process was diff for first hdd versus install on hdd, dho_ragus
[08:49] <raky> everything looks like its working now, dho_ragus , but i'm curious about alternatives
[08:52] <raky> why is the new server image upgrade offereing not authenticated?  whta's the deal?
[08:54] <raky> if i'm going to run vmware, will i need this?  i know support has been increasing lately, so it may be good for that
[09:03] <mralphabet> 13:49 < raky> why is the new server image upgrade offereing not authenticated?  whta's the deal?
[09:03] <mralphabet> what?
[09:04] <raky> it may be a eth0/1 problem, i'm looking at my connection
[09:05] <raky> i feared this, this connection thing is a problem, i have to work with the gui, maybe/maybe not
[09:06] <mralphabet> this connection thing?
[09:07] <raky> network settings
[09:07] <raky> ok, i see, confused eth0 and eth1
[09:08] <raky> n/m, good-to-go, but about the authentication, mralphabet i'm checking it again
[09:09] <raky> yeah, the linux-server-image 2.6.20-16-server is not authenticated, mralphabet
[09:10] <raky> i didn't expect server images to be not authenticated, and wonder why
[09:11] <raky> i'm in no hurry now, i'll be back around 11 or 12 PM, or tomorrow morning.
[09:11] <mralphabet> interesting
[09:12] <mralphabet> I didn't have anything like that come up
[09:12] <raky> hmm.  well, later, ttyl
[10:37] <WaVeR> Hello
[11:05] <Yahooadam> do you have a problem WaVeR - or just saying hi ?
[11:05] <kraut> i have a problem with your plenking!
[11:06] <Yahooadam> ... ?
[11:06] <kraut> aaaaaaah!
[11:06] <kraut> stop it!
[11:06] <WaVeR> Yahooadam>  Just saying hi, and I try to offer my help.
[11:07] <kraut> WaVeR: please help Yahooadam to stop plenking ;)
[11:07] <WaVeR> I just join the Ubuntu-server team so I'm here to see ^^
[11:07] <WaVeR> I can't ^^
[11:07] <kraut> damn it
[11:08] <kraut> Yahooadam: please read this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenk
[11:08] <Yahooadam> wtf is plenking :S
[11:08] <Yahooadam> ah
[11:08] <Yahooadam> ./shrug
[11:08] <Yahooadam> its teh interwebs, who cares about the space between punctuation :p
[11:08] <kraut> is this plenking? <- no
[11:08] <kraut> is this plenking ? <- yes
[11:09] <kraut> web2.0 doesn't support plenking!
[11:09] <Yahooadam> it so does !
[11:09] <WaVeR> LoL
[11:09] <Yahooadam> see :p
[11:09] <kraut> GAH ! ! ! 1 1 one eleven
[11:09] <kraut> that was prell-plenking :P
[11:10] <mathiaz> WaVeR: did you apply for membership on launchpad ?
[11:11] <kraut> i did and i am still waiting for replies :/
[11:11] <WaVeR> Yes mathiaz
[11:11] <WaVeR> And I think you approve me
[11:11] <mathiaz> WaVeR: ah ok. I tought you said you can't join the Ubuntu-server team.
[11:13] <WaVeR>  I try to know how can I help. Now I'm looking the Ubuntu-server wiki page
[11:16] <ajmitch> morning
[11:19] <ajmitch> mathiaz: just wrote to the MC list for you
[11:20] <mathiaz> ajmitch: hi. I've seen it. Thanks for your support.
[11:20] <ajmitch> np
[11:23] <mathiaz> WaVeR: great. Let me know if it's confusing.
[11:24] <mathiaz> WaVeR: or if you have any question
[11:25] <WaVeR> Thanks for your support mathiaz. I will inform you if I have trouble
[11:25] <Yahooadam> plenked ?
[11:25] <Yahooadam> :p
[12:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: ping
[12:20] <ajmitch> hello
[12:22] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: so now that i know that changing FD_SETSIZE works, and is horrible
[12:22] <ajmitch> heh
[12:22] <halcyonCorsair> how do i get rid of the packages I created and revert back to the official version?
[12:22] <ajmitch> you could remove & reinstall, or try apt-get --reinstall
[12:23] <ajmitch> the latter is preferable