[01:11] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop: perls isnt in /usr/bin/perl any idea where it is?
[01:12] <vidd_laptop> no idea
[01:12] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: run `which perl` in a terminal, it will tell you where it is.
[01:13] <vidd_laptop> look in /usr/lib
[01:13] <cellofellow> josh@josh:~$ which perl
[01:13] <cellofellow> /usr/bin/perl
[01:13] <vidd_laptop> same here
[01:14] <vidd_laptop> maybe you dont have it installed? cheeseboy
[01:14] <vidd_laptop> ?
[01:15] <cheeseboy> no its there for w/e reaason it was saying it didnt exist tho
[01:15] <cheeseboy> got webmin running though :)
[01:29] <cheeseboy> how do i lik a directory to another directory?
[01:29] <cheeseboy> link*
[01:29] <cellofellow> ln -s targetdir linkfile
[01:48] <doop> "sda1 has gone 49710 days without being checked"
[01:48] <doop> errr
[01:48] <doop> wtf
[01:52] <TheSheep> doop: "0" time means 1970-01-01 in Unix :)
[01:57] <doop> but its checked every few weeks
[01:57] <doop> and 49710 days are 136 years
[01:57] <doop> theres something not cool# :)
[01:58] <wireLESS> hey guys, i need some help with wireless.. i have a prism54 device, which works when i plug it in, but does not work on reboot/startup until i remove and plug it back in.. so i tested ndiswrapper, but it ONLY works if i have the SSID broadcast enabled, and WEP DISabled... any ideas? i'm reading threads about people saying at least 64bit is working for them, and i REALLY don't want to leave my network wide open
[02:00] <wireLESS> also, when playing a video via gmplayer in xubuntu, i get an error about gnome's ability to find the xscreensaver to stop it from starting up during a movie (i have to manually kill the xscreensaver daemon, which is a pita)... on my gentoo box xfce and gmplayer work great without any dependancy on gnome's screensaver abilities
[02:00] <TheSheep> doop: 2007-137 = 1970
[02:01] <TheSheep> wireLESS: the latter seems to be a bug, please report it
[02:01] <wireLESS> ok that's what i was "hoping" for
[02:01] <wireLESS> that it wasn't just me
[02:02] <wireLESS> you ARE talking about the screensaver thing right?
[02:02] <wireLESS> i am reinstalling xubuntu as we speak cuz i installed a bunch of base ubuntu crap to test that (which after all the gnome deps installed it DID remove that error) and couldn't completley remove it
[02:02] <wireLESS> and i hate gnome
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, 2007 - 137 = 1870 when I went to school!
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> maybe he has system time set to 2107?
[02:07] <wireLESS> bbiaf hopefully
[02:08] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: :)
[02:10] <cheeseboy> which mail server app is the best?
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy, define "the best"
[02:11] <TheSheep> !best | cheeseboy
[02:11] <ubotu> cheeseboy: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[02:11] <cheeseboy> in your opinion*
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> postfix is nice
[02:12] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: it's obvious we can only state our personal opinions here :)
[02:31] <cellofellow> I've a networking problem. On a different box I can't get the wired NIC to load. It used to work but I did something screwy to it. It's a 3c905b, and It think the trick would be to just load the correct module.
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, try editing your network interfaces files to set am eth1 with the same settings as eth0
[02:33] <cellofellow> there are no ethernet devices in ifconfig, just lo
[02:34] <cellofellow> ok
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> trust me
[02:35] <cellofellow> now what?
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> run ifup eth1
[02:37] <Aaron_> how do i change the resolution of the login window?
[02:37] <cellofellow> no such device
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, did it work?
[02:37] <Aaron_> pc starts up and comes to xdm @ 1280x1024, and I log into xubuntu and it changes to 1024x768 (where I want it)
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> hrm....
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, do you have other network devices?
[02:40] <cellofellow> no
[02:40] <cellofellow> I think it's the drivers.
[02:41] <cellofellow> What module is for a 3c905b?
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> http://www.scyld.com/pipermail/vortex/2000-March/000293.html
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> this leads me to believe that it should be in the kernel
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, anything?
[03:02] <Random832> is there a good wireless network selection/control interface?
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> define "good"
[03:05] <Zagalo> Update Your Opera
[03:05] <Zagalo> http://hyip-man.blogspot.com/2007/08/opera-javascript-invalid-pointer.html
[03:06] <Random832> the default setup provides no interface to pick a network in roaming mode - i'd like one like with gnome
[03:06] <Random832> an applet to show signal quality in the tray would be nice too
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> so get the one in gnome
[03:07] <Random832> but I don't want gnome
[03:07] <Random832> and i don't know what its wireless meter thingy is called anyway
[03:07] <Random832> eh
[03:07] <Random832> but won't that depend on all the gnome libs?
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> not all of them
[03:07] <Zagalo> hi all
[03:08] <Zagalo> in app menu, i see random, what is it?
[03:08] <Random832> i can deal with not having a thing in the tray or whatever; but having some application - any application really, that'll list available networks and let me pick one
[03:09] <Zagalo> in app menu, i see random, what is it?
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> Zagalo, it would be something you installed.....i dont have it
[03:11] <Random832> is there something for xfce like gsynaptics that i can set touchpad options and have it remember for each time i log in? if i use qsynaptics it always forgets
[03:12] <Zagalo> i dont install random but
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> Random832, you could just set the options in xorg
[03:14] <Random832> i don't know how - is there a way to find out after setting them in qsynaptics?
[03:14] <Random832> [and it'd be nice if i _didn't_ have to mess with the system settings for something that, as evidenced by gnome, can be done per-user] 
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> Random832, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty/Hardware#Adjust_touchpad_sensitivity
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> Random832, if you dont want to configure items by hand, and want something that is available in gnome...then determine the app in gnome and add it
[03:19] <Random832> do gnome control center applets work in xfce?
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> yes
[03:19] <Random832> ok
[03:19] <Random832> how do i find out what the gnome app it
[03:19] <Random832> *is
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> check the process manager in gnome, look the items up in synaptic
[03:20] <Zagalo> in app menu, i see random, what is it?
[03:21] <Zagalo> Update Your Opera
[03:21] <Zagalo> http://hyip-man.blogspot.com/2007/08/opera-javascript-invalid-pointer.html
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> when you see the item that is described that matches what you want to do, apt-get install it (or use synaptic) in xfce
[03:21] <Random832> i don't _have_ gnome - i got rid of it
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> Random832, then use the search option in synaptic
[03:22] <Random832> it's not going to tell me "the network status/wireless signal/wireless network picker applet that lives in the tray"
[03:22] <Random832> [and YES i'm sure it was the tray not the panel] 
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> the tray IS the panel
[03:23] <Random832> yeah
[03:23] <Random832> but it was in the tray area, not as a panel applet
[03:23] <Random832> i'm not an idiot
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> it is still a panel app\
[03:23] <Random832> ...
[03:24] <Random832> ok, fine, the "tray" i'm referring to is called the "notification area"
[03:24] <Random832> meaning the program in question was using the freedesktop.org protocol rather than some gnome-specific stuff to appear in the panel
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> when i get done when my update...ill do the legwork for you
[03:24] <Random832> a tray icon is NOT the same thing as a panel applet - tray icons don't even have to be from a gtk app at all
[03:26] <Random832> http://polishlinux.org/stuff/screenshots/ubuntu/ubuntu_dapper_desktop_nautilus_libervisco.png - the gaim icon is a tray icon. the volume control is a panel applet - the difference is that all the tray icons will move as a group if you move the tray (which the grip thing to the left of it is also part of)
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> !gnome-netstatus-applet | Random832
[03:28] <Random832> ok
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> Random832, im not an idiot either...you should do your own searches in synaptic...took 3 seconds to find it
[03:28] <Random832> i installed that before and it did not appear to install a program
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> you need to add it to you panel for it to work
[03:29] <Random832> I can run /usr/lib/gnome-netstatus/gnome-netstatus-applet and it doesn't put an icon anywhere
[03:29] <Random832> It also did not add anything to the list of things i can add to the panel
[03:29] <Random832> so i uninstalled it and asked in here
[03:29] <Random832> nevermind that the icon i am _looking_ for lives in the notification area / system tray, not directly on the panel
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> then try gnome-nettool
[03:29] <Random832> so it shouldn't _be_ something i can move independently of e.g. the gaim icon
[03:30] <Random832> http://kirsten.urbanzone.com/blog/uploads/misc/ubuntu_network_manager.png - it's the thing in this screenshot - do you happen to _know_ what program this is rather than simply guessing?
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> no
[03:30] <Aaron_> is anyone using XDM?
[03:31] <Aaron_> how do i alter the screen res in XDM?
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> from what you posted...the name is right there:
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> network-manager
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> probably network-manager-gnome
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> there are several in synaptic
[03:35] <Aaron_>  -> /etc/network/interfaces
[03:35] <Aaron_> there's your network managment, right there.
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> Aaron_, was intended for Random832
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> he is afraid of doing anything by hand
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> including searching synaptic for apps
[03:37] <Aaron_> heh.
[03:38] <Aaron_> how does XFCE know what screen res to use?
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> from the xorg config file
[03:39] <Aaron_> I'm looking at it, and I only see a list of available modes and resolutions... not the one it's supposed to use.
[03:40] <rici> Aaron_: it generally uses the first one by default.
[03:40] <rici> although you can specify the default in the xorg.conf file, too.
[03:40] <wireLESS> where would i file a bug about mplayer complaining about gnome's screensaver service?
[03:40] <Aaron_> becuase XDM loads in one res that I don't want to use, then XFCE starts and uses a different one, that I previously selected in the XFCE resolution changer.
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> Random833, did you get the info i posted?
[03:41] <rici> Aaron_: so you actually want to know how xdm picks a resolution?
[03:42] <Aaron_> I really just want XDM and XFCE to stay in sync so I can use x11vnc.
[03:42] <wireLESS> Aaron_: i have the same problem for my htpc.. it starts at 1024x768, when my max res should be 800x600
[03:42] <wireLESS> even though my xorg.conf file is set to only have a 800x600 mode
[03:43] <Aaron_> that's wacky.
[03:43] <rici> Aaron_: i thought that xdm used the default from the xorg.conf file, and that xfce keeps individual preferences in its local config files
[03:44] <wireLESS> it does for me on gentoo
[03:44] <wireLESS> not in ubuntu
[03:45] <rici> wireLESS: you really only have one mode in your Screen section?
[03:45] <wireLESS> yep
[03:45] <wireLESS> 800x600
[03:46] <wireLESS> which REALLY should be 640x480
[03:46] <wireLESS> but, that's just too hard on the eyes on my crt tv
[03:46] <wireLESS> so big, and the windows dont' fit on screen
[03:46] <Aaron_> i just got it ot stick to 1024. i'll just have to revert back when I want to use 1280 (when the monitor is attached, which is almost never)
[03:47] <Aaron_> xdm sure is fugly.
[03:47] <wireLESS> gdm = sexxy :)
[03:47] <Aaron_> yeah. stinks for VNC though.
[03:47] <wireLESS> how so?
[03:47] <Aaron_> it has it's issues when it logs in, or changes to XFCE instead of gnome.
[03:48] <Aaron_> i think the xubuntu graphics are the best, of all the buntu's
[03:48] <wireLESS> odd... never had that problem; but there is a setting for default session
[03:48] <Aaron_> gdm disconnects vnc after you log in, you can connect right back up, but it disconnects.
[03:48] <wireLESS> odd... i've only done vnc on gentoo
[03:49] <wireLESS> i'm actually going to install it on this htpc as well
[03:49] <wireLESS> which pkg are you using?
[03:49] <Aaron_> x11vnc
[03:49] <Nomemohes> hello, i just want to know where can i find a list of all the commands at the time of boot xubuntu
[03:49] <wireLESS> yeah that's a good one
[03:49] <Aaron_> wireLESS, http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-service
[03:49] <Aaron_> bookmark that.
[03:49] <wireLESS> Nomemohes: do you mean the ones that ARE booted, or the ones available?
[03:49] <wireLESS> Aaron_: roger
[03:50] <Nomemohes> the ones that are availables
[03:50] <Aaron_> i don't think x11vnc is the fastest one available, but it's the best documented.
[03:50] <wireLESS> it's really the only one that works for a current session iirc
[03:51] <Aaron_> right.
[03:51] <wireLESS> Nomemohes: there's a Services app in the System menu
[03:51] <wireLESS> but that one sucks imo
[03:51] <wireLESS> there's anotherone, trying to find it
[03:51] <Nomemohes> i am really lost
[03:51] <Nomemohes> i never try any linux OS
[03:51] <Aaron_> Nomemohes, what are you trying to do?
[03:51] <Aaron_> specifically
[03:52] <wireLESS> probably speed stuff up? i noticed there's a ton of services i dont' care for
[03:52] <Nomemohes>  i am tryng to install xubuntu in my machine
[03:52] <Aaron_> ok
[03:52] <Aaron_> is there anything on it now?
[03:52] <Nomemohes> but it is and old one
[03:52] <Aaron_> then xubuntu is a good choice
[03:52] <Nomemohes> i have 10 gb
[03:52] <Aaron_> it's running on my router. :) 600mhz cele.
[03:53] <Nomemohes> thats all
[03:53] <Aaron_> i don't think that should be a BIG problem.
[03:53] <wireLESS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[03:53] <Nomemohes> and i want to leave a partition to some windows
[03:53] <wireLESS> i'm only using a 10gig partition, another 10 for winblows, and the other 300 for movies/tv
[03:53] <wireLESS> Nomemohes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[03:53] <Nomemohes> i will see it
[03:53] <Nomemohes> thank you
[03:54] <wireLESS> i think the default runlevel for ubuntu is rc2, which is strange imo, but i come from a gentoo world so don't take my word for anything debian based
[03:54] <Aaron_> gentoo is from a different planet.
[03:55] <wireLESS> i love gentoo
[03:55] <Aaron_> ttorvalds made a comment about gentoo and debian that i don't get.
[03:55] <wireLESS> i prefer it over any distro; but for my htpc i really didn't wanna spend forever compiling everything just to play movies
[03:55] <wireLESS> so i opted to test ubuntu
[03:55] <wireLESS> i have to say, i'm impressed, but i hate the monolithic approach it has
[04:03] <wireLESS> i love how i have windows and xubuntu installed side by side, both performing the EXACT same functions, and windows uses 7gig, while xubuntu is using 1.7gig
[04:03] <wireLESS> and i haven't even started to clean up crap
[04:28] <mikubuntu> anyone around to help me work a screenres issue?  thingy helped me today fix a laptop for my friend, and it wasn't till i got done with that, that i realized my res not optimised on this box... anyone know the files offhand that i have to get into to edit?
[04:29] <Random833> gah
[04:29] <Random833> when i asked if gnome control center applets would work in xfce, i meant would the settings take, not would they run :P
[04:29] <Random833> at this point i STILL don't have a solution to my synaptics touchpad program
[04:30] <Random833> is there ANY documentation on what needs to go in xorg.conf?
[04:32] <mikubuntu> is there some online repository of the source code where you can see what the default is in every file?
[04:32] <mikubuntu> like in an orderly fashion?
[04:32] <Random833> and when i try to start nm-applet from autostart, it saves in the session and starts two the next time i log in
[04:34] <Random833> yet when i start it MANUALLY, it, oddly enough, _doesn't_ save in the session
[04:34] <mikubuntu> would be cool to explore (x)ubuntu holographically, in 3d
[04:35] <mikubuntu> isn't that sort of the info presentation style of unix like systems?
[04:35] <mikubuntu> like a googlebuntu flyover
[04:36] <mikubuntu> ya, that would be a great learning tool
[04:36] <Random833> huh?
[04:37] <Random833> what do you mean 'the info presentation style of unix like systems' is 3d?
[04:37] <Random833> i mean, if you mean 'unix' as in 'this is unix, i know this', sure :P
[04:37] <Random833> [yes, it was a real app, but that doesn't really make the scene any more plausible :P
[04:38] <mikubuntu> i don't know, i thought i heard that a long time ago, that unix had such a great way of storing/presenting information
[04:38] <mikubuntu> like very beryl or someting
[04:38] <Random833> beryl does some 3d stuff for window management
[04:39] <mikubuntu> ya, but i'm talking about presenting the whole operating system in a 3d universe, knowhatimean?
[04:39] <Random833> eh - i think i'm going to go back to gnome
[04:39] <Random833> never heard of that
[04:40] <mikubuntu> i swear i'm not crazy
[04:40] <mikubuntu> lol
[04:40] <Random833> xfce is just annoying me now that i've used it a couple days
[04:40] <Random833> it's little things
[04:41] <mikubuntu> like what
[04:41] <Random833> like lack of OSD for the volume keyboard buttons, no coordination between session saving and autostart
[04:41] <mikubuntu> oh, ya ... that
[04:42] <somerville32> Random833 - You're welcome to jump on board and help develop :)
[04:42] <Random833> 833? wtf
[04:42] <Random832> stupid irssi
[04:43] <somerville32> :)
[04:43] <Random832> I don't know anything about gui programming except in .net
[04:43] <somerville32> There is always mono
[04:43] <somerville32> lol
[04:43] <Random832> does xfce use any apps in mono?
[04:43] <Random832> and the problems i have are with existing apps :P
[04:43] <mikubuntu> dot NET?
[04:46] <Random832> what about it?
[04:47] <Random832> eh - the main issue with it is that it's the "third" desktop - so external apps of the sort that really need to be integrated with a desktop environment (like gsynaptics) won't get targeted to it
[04:47] <copasetic> hello
[04:47] <Random832> so unless everything i need is supported within it, that becomes a problem
[04:48] <copasetic> can someone help me
[04:48] <cheeseboy> copasetic: with?
[04:48] <copasetic> i'm trying to get sound on my ibook g3
[04:48] <cheeseboy> why is there no /etc/rc.d/init.d/ ?
[04:48] <somerville32> cheeseboy: /etc/init.d/
[04:49] <copasetic> no sound on my g3 ibook
[04:49] <cheeseboy> somerville32 can i link them ?
[04:50] <copasetic> anyone
[04:54] <copasetic> ok
[04:54] <copasetic> anyone alive
[04:56] <copasetic> hello
[04:57] <copasetic> hey cheeseboy
[04:57] <somerville32> Hello
[04:57] <copasetic> how can i modify a file
[04:58] <somerville32> How would you like to modify the file?
[04:58] <copasetic> i don't have sound on my ibook g3
[04:59] <copasetic> and i like to know how to do it
[04:59] <copasetic> or what to do
[04:59] <mikubuntu> anyone around to help me work a screenres issue?  thingy helped me today fix a laptop for my friend, and it wasn't till i got done with that, that i realized my res not optimised on this box... anyone know the files offhand that i have to get into to edit?
[05:00] <copasetic> anyone
[05:00] <mikubuntu> maybe after i do it a few times i'll be in a position to help the next guy
[05:00] <wireLESS> mikubuntu: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:00] <wireLESS> copasetic: repeat the question, i didn't see it
[05:01] <copasetic> how do i modify a file
[05:01] <wireLESS> ?
[05:01] <wireLESS> that's a really vague question
[05:01] <wireLESS> what are you trying to do?
[05:01] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: i want to get my screenres to 1024
[05:02] <copasetic> i'm trying to get the sound to work on my ibook g3
[05:02] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: u think you could walk me through it?
[05:02] <wireLESS> copasetic: did you start alsa-utils?
[05:02] <copasetic> no
[05:02] <copasetic> how do i do that
[05:02] <wireLESS> copasetic: in terminal, as root, try: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
[05:03] <wireLESS> mikubuntu: it's rather easy, do: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and lok for the lines near the bottom that show resolutions
[05:03] <wireLESS> you'll be interested in the one that is 24 bit depth
[05:03] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: ya, today we changed that to 16 and that cleaned it up on my friends laptop
[05:04] <copasetic> what should happened wireless
[05:04] <mikubuntu> but i still need a little help getting through it i think; couple of things i'm not clear on in steps
[05:04] <wireLESS> mikubuntu: erm, why did you go to 16?
[05:04] <wireLESS> copasetic: huh? that's unrelated to wireless
[05:05] <wireLESS> bbias, i need to ironically test a ch ange in my xorg.conf
[05:05] <copasetic> what should happen
[05:05] <wireLESS> ok back
[05:05] <copasetic> wireLESS what happen
[05:05] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: let me see.  tell me if i've got it right: open terminal, sudo tomboy /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[05:06] <wireLESS> copasetic: with what?
[05:06] <wireLESS> if tomboy is an editor, yes
[05:06] <copasetic> with the /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
[05:06] <wireLESS> copasetic: that should start your sound daemon
[05:06] <wireLESS> did it exit with [OK]  ?
[05:06] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: thingy said my vid card wouldn't support 24 after he checked the laptop model number
[05:07] <wireLESS> mikubuntu: hmm ok
[05:07] <wireLESS> actually, if you can, post your xorg.conf on www.speedyshare.com and i can help you easier
[05:07] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: ok, i try to open
[05:07] <copasetic> wireLESS that didn't work
[05:08] <wireLESS> copasetic: any errors?
[05:08] <wireLESS> mikubuntu: ok, now what?
[05:08] <copasetic> no
[05:09] <copasetic> no errors
[05:09] <wireLESS> copasetic: try running alsamixer to make sure your sounds are not muted, use "m" to unmute channels, in particular the PCM and Master channels
[05:09] <mikubuntu> wireLESS: gonna try to start the process, brb
[05:10] <KlrSp1> k
[05:10] <copasetic> i don't have a alsamicer
[05:11] <KlrSpz> mixer
[05:11] <KlrSpz> alsamixer
[05:11] <copasetic> yes
[05:11] <KlrSpz> should be installed by default
[05:11] <copasetic> ok
[05:11] <KlrSpz> i JUST installed xubuntu literally about 20 min ago and i have it without installinga  single package
[05:11] <copasetic> ok
[05:12] <copasetic> well no sound for me
[05:12] <KlrSpz> are you on a laptop?
[05:12] <copasetic> yes
[05:12] <copasetic> ibook
[05:12] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: hmmmm, tomboy failed.  actually this box is ubuntu, the one i worked on today was x and had mousepad for text editor
[05:13] <KlrSpz> hmm... do an: lspci | grep -i audio
[05:13] <KlrSpz> paste the line here
[05:13] <KlrSpz> mikubuntu: what do you mean tomboy failed
[05:13] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: here rheres one called 'text editor' would i do sudo text editor /etc/ ....'?
[05:14] <mikubuntu> don't know, it said failed somehow, and so i closed it
[05:14] <mikubuntu> maybe i have to add mousepad to my toolkit here for simplicity?
[05:15] <KlrSpz> mikubuntu: just use nano
[05:15] <KlrSpz> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:15] <KlrSpz> it's a command line editor
[05:15] <mikubuntu> don't know if i have it installed?
[05:15] <mikubuntu> lemme see
[05:15] <KlrSpz> should, it's a default app
[05:17] <copasetic> hey i got it i hope it works
[05:18] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: ok, got it open with nano, do you want me to pastebin it?
[05:18] <KlrSpz> yeah, or just go to www.speedyshare.com and upload it
[05:18] <KlrSpz> that's probably easier
[05:19] <mikubuntu> how do i upload it?
[05:19] <KlrSpz> click the browse button and pick the file
[05:20] <corrupt> should i install feisty fawn or dapper drake?
[05:20] <mikubuntu> oh, ok, browse it and upload it?
[05:20] <mikubuntu> brb
[05:23] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: http://www.speedyshare.com/489764775.html
[05:23] <mikubuntu> oh, ya, i like speedyshare
[05:24] <KlrSpz> well you still have it set to 24 bit, but it looks like it's at 1024x768
[05:25] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: i thought you wanted to check it before i changed to 16?
[05:25] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: so i should just change it, save it, and reboot?
[05:26] <KlrSpz> oh np
[05:26] <KlrSpz> i haven't ever seen a computer in the past 10 years not support 24 bit though
[05:27] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: so is there something else we should look at?  i know we looked at some /var/log today, but i don't remember if it was the same issue :(
[05:28] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: that's what happens when your brain shrinks
[05:29] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: well, guess i could just go change it, and if that don't solve it, change it back, huh?
[05:30] <KlrSpz> so keep it at 24, save the file, and do the 3 finger salute (CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE) to restart X, then use speedyshare to upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:31] <mikubuntu> you mean i have to save it and restart because i already opened it with nano?
[05:36] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: nano doesn't have a SAVE in the file menu
[05:38] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: help, i'm stuck ... don't see how to save in nano
[05:44] <KlrSpz> sorry i've been doing all kidns of stuff
[05:44] <KlrSpz> mikubuntu: do CTRL+X
[05:44] <KlrSpz> then Y
[05:44] <KlrSpz> then ENTER
[05:45] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: k, lemme try
[05:47] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: said command not found, then everything disappeared.  did i just fry my xorg?
[05:51] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: do you think i could have just screwed it up royally?
[05:53] <mikubuntu> KlrSpz: says bash: y: command not found
[05:54] <Jester45> mikubuntu, what are you trying to do.... you just told bash to run y
[05:55] <mikubuntu> Jester45: KlrSpz said to do ctrl plus x, then y, then enter in nano editing xorg.conf to save, i don't know if it did it or if i fried it....
[05:57] <Jester45> after nano is open and you edit it press ctrl x
[05:57] <Jester45> it will ask to say
[05:57] <Jester45> save*
[05:57] <Jester45> thats when you press y
[05:57] <mikubuntu> Jester45: should i sudo nano xorg again?
[05:57] <Jester45> yea
[05:57] <mikubuntu> Jester45: is it *too late*?
[05:58] <Jester45> it looks like you allready exited nano
[05:58] <mikubuntu> Jester45: arrrrggghhh, so now what do i do? i screwed?
[05:58] <Jester45> o and i dont know if you where the person but someone rebooted to let the settings get changed
[05:59] <mikubuntu> Jester45: no i haven't rebooted
[05:59] <Jester45> but you can change them with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:59] <mikubuntu> Jester45: do that now?
[06:00] <Jester45> **it will close all windows giving no time to save
[06:00] <Jester45> if you have changed your settings
[06:00] <mikubuntu> Jester45: no, i hadn't made any changes
[06:01] <Jester45> are you stuck in text only? or do you have a gui
[06:02] <mikubuntu> Jester45: i uploaded the xorg.conf file to speedyshare, can i, or do i need to retrieve it?  i wish i would have just left well enough alone ...
[06:02] <Jester45> i dont know what that is
[06:02] <mikubuntu> speedyshare.com like pastebin
[06:03] <mikubuntu> Jester45: http://www.speedyshare.com/489764775.html
[06:04] <Jester45> ok... what about it
[06:04] <Jester45> is that the edited version?
[06:07] <mikubuntu> Jester45: no, i never did edit it, that is, i never changed anything, but i did go in with sudo nano
[06:07] <Jester45> ok so now you can edit the file from in nano
[06:07] <xjkx> I changed my mouse cursor to a red one, it appears just sometimes, there are times i have this white one, whats wrong?
[06:08] <Jester45> just use it like a text editor
[06:08] <xjkx> If i put the cursor on gaim, its red, if i put the cursor on thunar its white ;o
[06:09] <mikubuntu> Jester45: thats when KlrSpz said to do the control x, then y, then enter, and i newbie, all the output disappeared, i don't know if it saved or not or if i fried it
[06:09] <mikubuntu> see?
[06:09] <Jester45> well... you can allways open it again and see if the changes are there
[06:10] <mikubuntu> Jester45:  i think nano closed.  that's what i din't know, if i can open it again? sokay to redo sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[06:11] <Jester45> yes
[06:11] <Jester45> if the changes are there then you saved it
[06:11] <mikubuntu> Jester45: ok, i check
[06:13] <mikubuntu> Jester45:  seems to be as i left it.  so will changing the default depth from 24 to 16 get my screenres to 1024?
[06:14] <Jester45> no.. depth is how many colors
[06:14] <Jester45> resolution is the resolution
[06:15] <mikubuntu> Jester45: just changing that today on an older than this one dell cpi lat d300xt was enough to fix screenres ... thingy walked me through it; he said the vid card in that one wouldn't support 24
[06:16] <mikubuntu> Jester45: that's why i'm messing with this one, because when i saw how crisp that screen got, i realized i must not be getting optimum res on this lat d600 here
[06:16] <Jester45> what is the res
[06:17] <mikubuntu> resolution
[06:17] <Jester45> lower the bit then, i run mine at 16 to save memory
[06:17] <Jester45> i know what i was asking what is it running at
[06:17] <mikubuntu> ok, then to save? tell me again plz how?
[06:18] <mikubuntu> oh, i guess at 800
[06:18] <Jester45> ctrl + x
[06:18] <Jester45> then y
[06:18] <mikubuntu> letters a little fuzzy, not too tight
[06:19] <mikubuntu> ok, then after save, reboot?
[06:19] <Jester45> and... resolution is 2 numbers 800x600 is normal when the first is 800
[06:19] <Jester45> no
[06:19] <Jester45> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:19] <Jester45> much faster than reboot
[06:20] <Jester45> mikubuntu, remebmer only windows has to reboot to change a setting
[06:20] <mikubuntu> should i go make the change, save, and come back here?
[06:20] <Jester45> if you want
[06:20] <mikubuntu> ok, i try
[06:23] <mikubuntu> after i did 'y' and enter, then nano says: file name to write: etc/x11/xorg.conf  do i need to enter something else
[06:23] <Jester45> no
[06:23] <xjkx> could anyone try changing the mose cursor ? i chose the red one but it works only to some window (such as gaim) on some others its still white, i wanna know if its just here
[06:24] <mikubuntu> Jester45: so i just x out and go to terminal again for restart?
[06:24] <Jester45> arrg
[06:24] <Jester45> dont restart
[06:24] <Jester45> it takes forever and isnt to nice on your harddrive
[06:25] <Jester45> use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:25] <mikubuntu> i din't mean restart, i mean the command you gave me there
[06:26] <mikubuntu> i don't need to send it 'to files' or anything?  bunch of options show at the bottom of nano
[06:27] <Jester45> no
[06:27] <Jester45> ctrl x exits
[06:27] <Jester45> but if you made changes it askes if you want to save
[06:27] <mikubuntu> ok, i go try, but no, control x din't seem to exit a minute ago ... ?
[06:28] <mikubuntu> yes, thats what it did
[06:29] <mikubuntu> but the whole file still sitting there, i'm just wanting to be clear if all i have to do is close the window and then go to terminal for sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:29] <Jester45> yes
[06:29] <mikubuntu> ok
[06:29] <Jester45> if you removed the file then xorg wouldnt know how to config
[06:29] <somerville32> Does anyone want to give me some feedback on the current new-xubuntu-website in-progress?
[06:31] <xork> sure
[06:32] <somerville32> http://xubuntu.no-ip.org/
[06:35] <xjkx> somerville32: what are you in the project?
[06:35] <somerville32> xjkx: hmm?
[06:36] <xork> somerville32: looks good.. i'd take out the screenshot.. and the related projects stands out too much
[06:36] <xork> otherwise nicely in line with ubuntu.com
[06:36] <xjkx> you want some feed back on a website of xubuntu that is in progress, i thought you were a part of the team
[06:36] <somerville32> xjkx: I am :] 
[06:36] <somerville32> xjkx: http://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[06:37] <xjkx> Cody A.W. Somerville (cody-somerville)
[06:37] <xjkx> :o
[06:38] <somerville32> :S
[06:38] <xork> maybe put related projects under Get Developing
[06:38] <somerville32> xork: I'm planning to make it look exactly like Ubuntu's website but branded for Xubuntu
[06:39] <xork> somerville32: sounds good, i like the main page
[06:39] <somerville32> :)
[06:40] <xjkx> I like it too :D
[06:40] <xork> i think it should say somewhere
[06:40] <xork> boldly
[06:40] <xork> that xfce is not only for old hardware!
[06:40] <xork> seems to be common misconception
[06:41] <mikubuntu> Jester45: well, that command din't restart me, it just went to a black screen and wouldn't clear, so i powered down and rebooted.  my screenresolution none improved tho .. dang.
[06:41] <Jester45> people allways think wait you use xubuntu? and thats a fast computer
[06:42] <xork> it's just the least bloated, yet still complete DE
[06:42] <Jester45> i could care less about the bloat or lack of
[06:42] <Jester45> i just like it
[06:42] <Jester45> and it is nice that its faster than the rest
[06:42] <xork> i like the snappiness
[06:43] <xork> KDE just felt like a slow moving thing
[06:43] <xork> even on a blazing computer
[06:43] <xjkx> I'd use it even if it was heavier
[06:43] <xork> i like it has it's own stripped down compositor
[06:43] <Jester45> i think its the idea that it has gui tools but yet lets you configure things
[06:43] <xork> yeah.. that's a blessing
[06:43] <Jester45> that keeps me using it
[06:44] <Jester45> kde is like well.. there are defualts but to get it working how you like you need to spend 10 days configing each app
[06:44] <Jester45> and gnome says well we have option 1 and 2... what? you want a 3rd thats to much
[06:45] <Jester45> o and by the way both options are slow
[06:45] <xork> sounds like my experiences too ;)
[06:45] <xork> these things should be on the site!
[06:45] <xork> so people don't think it's.. just ubuntu for slow comps
[06:45] <Jester45> they should reword to
[06:46] <xork> i kind of wish ubuntu would pick xfce as it's flagship
[06:46] <Jester45> i dont
[06:46] <Jester45> then it would make a mess of it
[06:46] <Jester45> lets add this and this
[06:47] <Jester45> people that use ubuntu just want more and more options
[06:47] <xork> well, improvement's good..
[06:47] <xork> the menu editor
[06:47] <xork> seems to be something a lot of people have trouble with
[06:47] <Jester45> the only thing i want is xfwm4 to be able to be just an decorator so i could use compiz core
[06:47] <xork> that'd be nice
[06:49] <xjkx> does anyone know if xfce5 is comming up soon?
[06:50] <Jester45> i think if it is gutsy+1 would have it
[06:50] <Jester45> maybe +2
[06:52] <somerville32> xjkx: It isn't for a long long long time
[06:52] <somerville32> They're working on 4.6 at the moment
[06:53] <Jester45> hey you guys know whats fun
[06:53] <Jester45> at school having qemu running linux and mac os at the same time
[06:54] <Jester45> and switching them and making people think your rebooting that fast
[06:54] <Jester45> it doesnt
[06:54] <Jester45> -offtopic is dead
[06:54] <Jester45> and my mouse has gone missing
[06:54] <somerville32> That might be because you refuse to you it
[06:55] <Jester45> could be
[06:55] <Jester45> never know with me
[06:55] <Jester45> night everyone
[06:56] <Jester45> better shut up before somerville32 gets mad again
[07:00] <xork> anyone know if it's possible for items deleted from the xfce desktop
[07:01] <xork> to go to a specified location? :P
[07:01] <somerville32> They goto the trash bin
[07:01] <xork> i'd like them to go to ~/.Trash
[07:01] <xork> is that possible?
[07:02] <mikubuntu> jest[00:54] 	<Jester45>	thanks, goodnite
[07:02] <mikubuntu> Jester45: thanks, goodnite
[07:02] <mikubuntu> nite guys
[07:08] <xjkx> I dont know what i did but my applications menu just dissapeared :/ rebooted trying to fix but its still not here
[07:08] <xjkx> killed restarted xfdesktop but didnt open
[07:12] <somerville32> Is it just the application menu?
[07:12] <xjkx> yes
[07:12] <xjkx> everything else is fine
[07:13] <somerville32> Then just re-add it
[07:13] <xjkx> how
[07:14] <xjkx> i done i think
[07:14] <somerville32> :] 
[07:14] <xjkx> the icon ist the same but i will survive with that
[07:14] <xjkx> thanks
[07:15] <xjkx> Now i saw a "remove" right clicking it :>
[07:16] <xjkx> It explains much
[07:18] <xjkx> Guys, there is a xfce 4.4.1 out, our xfce is 4.4.0, and the apt-get upgrade still doesn't offer the new one, you think its unstable to install the package from xfce.org ?
[07:24] <somerville32> Yes, it is unstable
[07:25] <somerville32> I'm sure it would work okay
[07:25] <somerville32> But you lose all the work we've put into packaging it and integrating it along with support.
[07:25] <somerville32> I would recommend waiting until Gutsy is released and you'll have the few bug fixes that 4.4.1 offers
[07:38] <xjkx> somerville32: is it comming out soon?
[07:39] <xjkx> the gutsy
[07:39] <somerville32> xjkx: Yes.
[07:39] <somerville32> October
[07:40] <xjkx> Cool. I don't expect to download it, i think i will apt-get upgrade, i believe its the same. Isnt't it ? :)
[07:43] <somerville32> Yes.
[07:43] <somerville32> Just about
[10:37] <dorana> Hi, I'm having problem with my mic volume beeing very low... anything anyoine know something about?
[10:47] <dorana> NEVER MIND, i SOLVED IT
[12:22] <imduffy15> how do i install new themes on xubuntu
[12:25] <somerville32> !themes
[12:25] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[12:26] <somerville32> You put the theme in ~/.themes/
[12:27] <xork> hm
[12:27] <xork> shouldn't xfce-look be listed? ;)
[12:28] <imduffy15> ok thanks
[12:29] <Ben_Cs> hello
[01:14] <Jester45> anyone know how to keep thunar from using trash on a usb drive
[01:16] <Ben_Cs> i think it's not only tunar. i had same thing in gnome
[01:17] <Ben_Cs> actually i think it's a nice feature
[01:18] <imduffy15> hey
[01:18] <imduffy15> how do i install new login screens on xubuntu
[01:20] <Ben_Cs> i would think you should copy the new screen dir to ~/.splash or something like that and then it'll appear in applications->settings->splash screen settings
[01:21] <Ben_Cs> i'm not sure about the ~/.splash directory name though
[01:21] <Ben_Cs> well gotta go.
[01:23] <imduffy15> ok thanks
[01:24] <Jester45> did it work?
[01:24] <imduffy15> am online try it now i was in a video call
[01:26] <imduffy15> only*
[01:33] <imduffy15> thanks for your help bye
[03:10] <dewp> when i installed a plugin to kaffeine, where should it appear=
[03:10] <dewp> ?
[03:10] <somerville32> You're using Kaffeine in Xubuntu?
[03:10] <dewp> yes
[03:11] <somerville32> Well, if you install a plugin for kaffeine, it should appear within kaffeine.
[03:11] <dewp> i think so, too
[03:11] <dewp> strange
[03:11] <dewp> the installation did not tell that there was anything wrong
[03:20] <warbler> dewp: what was the plugin called?
[03:28] <dewp> its the softcam plugin
[03:29] <CreativeEmbassy> can someone help me out with a new xubuntu install?
[03:30] <CreativeEmbassy> i'm trying to get it running on some pretty old hardware
[03:30] <CreativeEmbassy> it loads the CD, so I see the menu at the beginning
[03:31] <pleia2> CreativeEmbassy: how much ram do you have? the LiveCD requires 192M
[03:31] <CreativeEmbassy> originally I had 192, and I just bought ram to bring it up to 512
[03:31] <CreativeEmbassy> thought maybe that was the problem at first :-/
[03:31] <pleia2> well you could try the Alternative disk anyway, it's a text-based installer but still very easy to use and tends to solve problems like this
[03:32] <CreativeEmbassy> i could try that
[03:32] <CreativeEmbassy> link in the topic?
[03:33] <pleia2> yeah, go to http://xubuntu.org/get click on your location and then scroll down to "Alternate install CD"
[03:34] <CreativeEmbassy> ah, found it
[03:34] <CreativeEmbassy> i'll download it immediately
[03:34] <pleia2> good luck :)
[03:35] <CreativeEmbassy> thanks
[03:35] <CreativeEmbassy> i'll stay in here for a while and let you know if it works
[03:40] <warbler> dewp: try the easy way first - file search for softcam
[03:44] <dewp> it is installed
[03:44] <dewp> at least apt-get says that
[03:45] <dewp> in which section should plugins appear? "configure dvb"=
[03:56] <Nevermind> hello
[03:57] <Nevermind> does anyone know how to install a .tar.gz file? i'm new to linux
[03:59] <ehird`> i'm installing xubuntu on ppc via the alt cd
[03:59] <dewp> thats not hard, its easyer to google for that :)
[03:59] <ehird`> its at Select & install software, 85%
[03:59] <ehird`> no disk activity
[03:59] <ehird`> nothing, it's just hanging there with "Please wait.."
[03:59] <ehird`> this happened at 6% but with disk activity and it passed after a while
[04:00] <ehird`> but ... no disk activity: i googled and both cases were internet related
[04:00] <ehird`> :/
[04:00] <Nevermind> so i download the .tar.gz file, right click and install?
[04:01] <ehird`> anyone know if this is for sure the cause?
[04:01] <Nevermind> Do i have gtk+ 1.2.x and GNU gettext already on my system? if i only just installed Xubuntu?
[04:02] <ehird`> k fine now
[04:03] <warbler> dewp: doing many things :) - the search was to see where it turned up
[04:18] <ehird`> i installed xubuntu on an old g3 ppc imac.
[04:18] <ehird`> it went fine
[04:18] <ehird`> i rebooted; yet got a neverending spew of open firmware errors - DEFAULT CATCH!
[04:18] <ehird`> i went into the prompt and tried manually booting but the same
[04:18] <dewp> hmm it turns up many times
[04:20] <ehird`> the error contains code=300 to be precise
[04:23] <Nevermind> ok still having problems installing a tar.gz file
[04:23] <Nevermind> please please help
[04:23] <somerville32> maxamillion: Hey :)
[04:23] <Nevermind> i've downloaded it
[04:24] <Nevermind> and ran it, but all it's done is exract it into a folder
[04:24] <ehird`> anyone?
[04:24] <mikubuntu> help. my friend and i are trying to listen to cd for the first time on xubntu, and the cd player doesn't work right off.  are there some configuration issues with the players that anyone might know of?
[04:25] <Nevermind> not really, try installing a peice of software called VLC Media player, it will play 99% of all formats and can run straight off
[04:25] <maxamillion> hey somerville32, long time no speak
[04:25] <Nevermind> i have it and i dont need to install anything else
[04:26] <somerville32> maxamillion: Indeed.
[04:26] <mikubuntu> unable to mount audio cd, and another window unable to mount volume
[04:26] <somerville32> maxamillion: Not on gtalk?
[04:26] <maxamillion> somerville32: no, i am ssh'd into my server ... i am actually teaching a class right now
[04:27] <maxamillion> somerville32: but they are all working on an assignment i passed out so i got bored
[04:27] <somerville32> Is it nice to have the tables turned?
[04:28] <maxamillion> somerville32: just a bit :)
[04:28] <maxamillion> somerville32: i signed into gtalk through the web interface :)
[04:32] <ehird`> is anybody ppc-fu here :(
[04:33] <somerville32> maxamillion: You signed out of gtalk
[04:34] <somerville32> But anyhow, http://xubuntu.no-ip.org
[04:34] <maxamillion> somerville32: yeah, sorry ... i forgot that it killed convos that are popped out when you sign out of gmail
[04:34] <maxamillion> somerville32: i am getting back on right now
[04:37] <maxamillion> somerville32: jeebus, it looks awesome
[04:37] <maxamillion> somerville32: major kudos
[04:38] <maxamillion> somerville32: we need some updated screenshots ... the dapper screenies really don't do xubuntu justice
[04:39] <somerville32> Thanks a bunch :)
[04:39] <somerville32> TheSheep did most of the work :) I just glued it all together.
[04:39] <somerville32> It still needs a lot more glue though, hehe
[04:40] <somerville32> I'm actually going to infuse the Canonical template to allow us to have a right column that the ubuntu.com ubuntu07 theme only gives the perception of existence
[04:41] <maxamillion> ahhh
[04:41] <maxamillion> i wasn't aware
[04:41] <somerville32> aka: I'm going to beat it with a stick
[04:41] <maxamillion> my web dev skills are ameture at best
[04:41] <somerville32> Same here
[04:41] <somerville32> lol
[04:41] <somerville32> Lets see how I make out
[04:41] <maxamillion> lol
[04:41] <maxamillion> well good luck to you
[04:41] <maxamillion> i really want to learn python web dev stuffs
[04:42] <somerville32> :) I miss chatting with you maxamillion
[04:43] <ehird`> the alt install cd doesn't detect my ethernet connection via dhcp...
[04:43] <somerville32> With all of you really :) I've missed the community insurmountably
[04:43] <ehird`> i have to enter it manually
[04:43] <ehird`> is this a known problem? :/
[04:43] <somerville32> ehird`: What version?
[04:43] <ehird`> somerville32: fiesty
[04:44] <maxamillion> somerville32: yeah, i miss alot of things of how it used to be in the xubuntu community .... but time goes and so must i .... just looking for a python project to leech on these days
[04:48] <hspopoy> hi guys
[04:48] <dewp> hey
[04:49] <hspopoy> hi dewp
[04:49] <hspopoy> can anybody help me?
[04:49] <somerville32> !ask
[04:49] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:50] <ehird`> dhcp not working is pretty annoying
[04:50] <ehird`> :/
[04:50] <somerville32> ehird`: Tell me about your network configuration
[04:50] <hspopoy> can anyone tell me how to install xubuntu on a drive with xp pre-installed?
[04:50] <hspopoy> i mean - i wanna dual boot
[04:50] <hspopoy> :D
[04:50] <somerville32> hspopoy: Just tell the installer to dual boot :)
[04:50] <hspopoy> hmmm...how?
[04:50] <CreativeEmbassy> i'm still not able to install, even with the alternate disc :-/
[04:51] <ehird`> somerville32: it's trivial. a standard ethernet router, with an ethernet cable, plugged into the g3
[04:51] <ehird`> somerville32: what more do you need? :)
[04:51] <somerville32> ehird`: The only time I had trouble with dhcp was when I was using Windows as the router
[04:51] <somerville32> Does it work on another operating system?
[04:52] <somerville32> (same box)
[04:52] <ehird`> somerville32: yes it works with os x 10.1
[04:52] <CreativeEmbassy> after I get the "loading linux kernel" window, when it gets past that the screen clears and I get the blinking cursor
[04:52] <ehird`> somerville32: also on my pc and my new imac (wirelessly)
[04:52] <CreativeEmbassy> and the blinking cursor stays there, nothing else happens...
[04:52] <somerville32> ehird`: So you're running Xubuntu on PPC?
[04:53] <ehird`> somerville32: Trying to. ;)
[04:53] <ehird`> somerville32: Original imac g3. Low-specced, to say the least - I'm using the alt. install cd
[04:56] <hspopoy> question on "preparing disk space" - should i choose "guided-resize partition" or "guided-use entire disk" if i wanna dual boot?
[05:01] <n4p1-1> short question: should I install xubuntu 6.06.1 or 7.04 ? where is the difference?
[05:05] <Ben_Cs> no importanat difference for u
[05:05] <Ben_Cs> dapper should be more stable but i wouldn't think so
[05:05] <boogie> 7.04 just has some newer versions
[05:05] <pleia2> n4p1-1: 6.06 is supported for longer (3 years from release), 7.04 has a shorter support window and so upgrading to the newer version every 6 months is recommended
[05:06] <boogie> xubuntu 6.06 has not LTS!
[05:06] <ehird`> yes it does
[05:07] <Ben_Cs> 6.06 = dapper, 7.04 = feisty
[05:07] <Ben_Cs> what do u need LTS 4 anyway?
[05:08] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: in a business environment it is worth while
[05:08] <pleia2> Ben_Cs: not everyone wants to go through a major upgrade every 6 months
[05:18] <CreativeEmbassy> anyone have ideas on my problem?
[05:20] <Ben_Cs> yes, an upgrade for a big organization is lots of time and money. right about that
[05:29] <mikubuntu> has anyone listening used xubuntu while navigating aol's 'new' mail site, and do you know of any issues associated.   i put ubuntu on my friends laptop, and she went straight to aol, who i like about as much as i like bill gates, and had all kinds of problems with her mail.  she'd selectr mail to delete, and it keeps showing back up, like bad beer, or seafood (and some poultry products). ...
[05:29] <mikubuntu> ...also she kept getting an error message: unresponsive script on page.
[05:30] <asmith42a> I just swapped out my monitor. Is there an app or command line I can use to rescan for the new monitor or update the monitor profile?
[05:30] <asmith42a> Or do I have to go in and manually edit the xconfig or what-not?
[05:31] <asmith42a> mikubuntu: Wouldn't the problems be browser-specific?
[05:31] <asmith42a> mikubuntu: I haven't been to AOL's new mail site, so I can't give you a direct solution.
[05:36] <mikubuntu> asmith42a: hmmm, maybe a firefox issue then?  i'll tell her to try with opera... thanks
[05:37] <asmith42a> mikubuntu: Glad to help, even though it was a little.
[06:16] <Nevermind> hello
[06:17] <Nevermind> i'm using a prog called pyNeighborhood , python built v. of LinNeighborhood, and i can not mount to a shared hard drive over my router
[06:18] <somerville32> Are you using the packaged version or did you download it off the website?
[06:19] <Nevermind> i downloaded it off the add/remove software that came with Xubuntu
[06:19] <somerville32> Okay
[06:20] <Nevermind> for some reason i can't mount it with my laptop
[06:20] <somerville32> Well, please file a bug and I'll look at it after I get some sleep
[06:20] <Nevermind> help
[06:20] <Nevermind> ?
[06:20] <somerville32> I'm going on 48hrs now :(
[06:20] <Nevermind> rofl.... awwwwww
[06:20] <Nevermind> i'll let you log off it=f you want :P
[06:20] <Nevermind> *of
[06:20] <Nevermind> *if
[06:21] <somerville32> Well, if you file the bug, it'll file off an e-mail to me which means I'll most for sure look at it and resolve it
[06:21] <Nevermind> ok
[06:21] <Nevermind> thankyou
[06:21] <somerville32> Make sure to file it under the PyNeighborhood package
[06:22] <Nevermind> ok
[06:24] <Nevermind> thankyou very much
[06:26] <somerville32> No problem :)
[06:34] <graceofdragons> would anyone be able to tell me why I'm getting an error after setting up the partioner while trying to install from the live CD?
[06:39] <Slash> Hi
[07:04] <ehird`> xubuntu fiesty alt install cd fails to dhcp my very simple ethernet network
[07:04] <ehird`> :/
[07:05] <hyper_ch> ehird`: then configure it later
[07:06] <ehird`> hyper_ch: but dhcp >should work<
[07:06] <hyper_ch> ehird`: should != is
[07:06] <hyper_ch> ehird`: people should not use windoze... but they do
[07:06] <ehird`> hyper_ch: it works on other computers
[07:07] <hyper_ch> ehird`: is all the hardware identical?
[07:07] <ehird`> hyper_ch: Uh, no?
[07:07] <ehird`> hyper_ch: But it works on that machine.
[07:07] <ehird`> hyper_ch: In OS X.
[07:07] <hyper_ch> ehird`: you have different hardware so you might no expect everything running the same
[07:07] <ehird`> hyper_ch: It works on the same machine; different OS
[07:08] <hyper_ch> ehird`: see "DIFFERENT" OS ;) another distinction
[07:08] <ehird`> let's pick at semantics.
[07:08] <ehird`> '"DIFFERNT" OS' should make no difference. Xubuntu should be able to use DHCP.
[07:09] <ehird`> There is absolutely /no reason/ it should not.
[07:09] <ehird`> Indeed, I would bet it /would/, if conditions were different. It's a matter of figuring out which conditions, and what the fix is.
[07:09] <hyper_ch> different OS makesa  difference as there is different support for the hardware as different drivers exist - if they do
[07:34] <Sherwinator> i need help
[07:34] <Sherwinator> when i try playing rented DVD'S on xubuntu
[07:34] <Sherwinator> i get an error like
[07:34] <Sherwinator> are you trying to play a protected DVD without X file?
[07:34] <Ben_Cs> is there as featurefull torrent client as ktorrent, but lighter one? gtk based, that is?
[07:36] <Sherwinator> .......
[07:36] <Sherwinator> can any1 help me ?
[07:39] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: rtorrent is full featured and very light as it is command line based
[07:39] <Sherwinator> hi again hyper
[07:39] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: install libdvdcss2
[07:39] <Merchelo> aww
[07:39] <Sherwinator> what is that ?
[07:39] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: how about a one with gui?
[07:40] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you want to get light, use rtorrent ;) it's really great
[07:40] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: have a guess
[07:41] <Sherwinator> hyper_ch:  thanks alot (again)
[07:42] <hyper_ch> Sherwinator: you know now what it is
[07:42] <Sherwinator> yea thanks
[07:45] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you may want to try deluge
[07:45] <Ben_Cs> ok. i'll check it
[07:47] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you probably can't find it ;)
[07:48] <Ben_Cs> why not?
[07:48] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: did you=?
[07:48] <Ben_Cs> i'm browsing the site
[07:48] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: there's a simpler way:  www.getdeb.net
[07:49] <Ben_Cs> yeh i know that site. a good one.
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: but still no repository
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: try rtorrent, it's really great
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: and very light
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: and if you have ssh server installed, you can control it from everywhere
[07:49] <Ben_Cs> i don't like command lining unless i have to
[07:50] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: command line is great ;)
[07:50] <Ben_Cs> y do i need repos? if it's there in .deb i'll download it. or elese compile it
[07:51] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you need them for update
[07:51] <Ben_Cs> i can just download by hand new versions
[07:51] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: do you do that on a regular base? I guess not
[07:52] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: so my recommendation is either using repos or compile from svn
[07:53] <Ben_Cs> but i use some soft no on repos anyway. like pidgin, gimpshop etc.
[07:53] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: it's up to you... it's ust a lot more tedious to stay up-to-date
[07:54] <hyper_ch> you can do whatever you want ;) just stating my opinion
[07:54] <Ben_Cs> look, if something work fine, no need to update it every day
[07:54] <Ben_Cs> i know
[07:54] <hyper_ch> if you think it works fine, you won't update it at all ;)
[08:26] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:26] <s-x-u> ugh hi
[08:27] <cheeseboy> can anyone see from this(http://pastebin.ca/674301) or think of any reason why im getting connection reset by peer on my xbox(192.168.2.103) when i try to watch tv-links videos? videos work fine on this pc and i do get internet on my xbox.
[08:28] <Ben_Cs> for some reason non of my video players (niether vlc) are playing movies. what happened. help!
[08:29] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: you get error opening file?
[08:29] <Ben_Cs> nope. i get only sound
[08:30] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: run vlc from terminal and tell me the output
[08:30] <Ben_Cs> one sec
[08:31] <Ben_Cs> no output. and when i slide the button to forward vlc gets stuck!
[08:32] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: have you tried reinstalling vlc?
[08:32] <Ben_Cs> yup. no change
[08:33] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: did you purge it just apt-get remove ?
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> no
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> should i remove it?
[08:34] <cheeseboy> try purgeing (sudo dpkg -P vlc) then apt-get install vlc
[08:35] <Ben_Cs> same thing. sound. no video
[08:36] <Ben_Cs> could it be something colides there?
[08:37] <xjkx> I don't know how. I don't know why. The dhcpclient never gives me the right configuration i need, and i have to ifconfig xxx xxx myself. Problem is that dhcpclient is being ran on boot, and i'd like to know how to remove it.
[08:38] <Ben_Cs> cheeseboy. is there to reinstall the whole gui system?
[08:38] <Ben_Cs> to init it to start point?
[08:39] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: i dont understand
[08:40] <Ben_Cs> cheeseboy: maybe if i reinstall the whole system (to initial state) except the kernel, whatever is broken will be fixed?
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> i'm frustrated :(
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> i don't want to reinstall everything from scratch
[08:43] <hyper_ch> open vlc or whatever from the command line ;) and play then a movie
[08:45] <Ben_Cs> i'll try it again
[08:46] <cheeseboy> Ben_Cs: do you use mplayer also ?
[08:46] <Ben_Cs> yes i do
[08:46] <cheeseboy> mplayer has terminal version
[08:47] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: same result. no video
[08:49] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: but you get some output of what's wrong ;=
[08:49] <Ben_Cs> no output whatsoever
[08:50] <Ben_Cs> now mplayer does give output
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> here it is:
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> open: No such file or directory
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> [MGA]  Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> open: No such file or directory
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> [MGA]  Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> [VO_TDFXFB]  Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory.
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> [VO_3DFX]  Unable to open /dev/3dfx.
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg]  FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> Selected video codec: [ffodivx]  vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> Forced audio codec: mad
[08:51] <Ben_Cs> Opening audio decoder: [libmad]  libmad mpeg audio decoder
[08:52] <Ben_Cs> well, these are the lines that are suspicious to me
[08:52] <Ben_Cs> any idea?
[08:52] <Ben_Cs> and ofcourse, mplayer plays sound but no video
[08:57] <Ben_Cs> arrr. do i have to reinstall xubuntu?
[08:58] <Ben_Cs> never mind. i'm off to reinstall the system
[09:46] <cheeseboy> ugh #ubuntu  sucks
[09:47] <neozen> lol
[09:47] <neozen> moves too fast for ya?
[09:48] <neozen> oh wait... wrong one
[09:49] <cheeseboy> any forum staff here ?
[09:49] <neozen> as in xubuntu forum?
[09:49] <neozen> or the really popular forum for ubuntu
[09:49] <neozen> ?
[09:50] <cheeseboy> ubuntu forum
[09:50] <neozen> maxamillion perhaps...
[09:51] <neozen> ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
[09:51] <neozen> lol
[09:52] <kalikiana_> Do you dare poke me from behind =)
[09:52] <cheeseboy> is he awake ?
[09:53] <neozen> doubt it
[09:53] <neozen> but anything's possible
[09:53] <kalikiana_> What are you guys after anyway?
[09:54] <cheeseboy> i cant pst on the forum for some reason
[09:55] <kalikiana_> Lamer, you need to login first :P
[10:01] <neozen> me?
[10:01] <neozen> I'm just hanging out
[10:02] <neozen> jester! salu!
[10:02] <Jester45> does anyone know how to use sed
[10:02] <Jester45> salu
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: man sed :)
[10:12] <Jester45> its not to helpfull
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: what are you trying to do?
[10:12] <Jester45> but... i think i have a work around
[10:12] <neozen> Jester... indeed.. what ye up to?
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: usually you run it with: sed -i -e 'some commands to perform on the text'
[10:13] <TheSheep> and then the file name
[10:13] <neozen> unless you're looking to overwrite/change newlines..... that makes for baaaad times
[10:13] <neozen> or so I've heard
[10:14] <neozen> enter perl
[10:14] <Jester45> can to take the first "word" out of a file and pipe it to a diffrent program
[10:16] <aryr100> hello all
[10:16] <aryr100> has anyone had any problem installing x7.04 on amd labtop ?
[10:20] <Jester45> aryr100, what laptop vendor? what is the problem if any?
[10:20] <aryr100> compaq when tring to installing get unable to make file system
[10:21] <TheSheep> Jester45: grep -m1 -o -E '^\S+'
[10:21] <aryr100> have ran ubuntu with no problem
[10:21] <TheSheep> aryr100: disable volume management in thunar
[10:22] <TheSheep> aryr100: thunar -> edit -> preferences -> advanced
[10:22] <Jester45> The-Kernel, ping
[10:22] <neozen> Jester45: you might want awk instead of sed for this purpose
[10:22] <aryr100> kk can disable from live cd to allow install ?
[10:22] <neozen> awk's great for dealing with words
[10:22] <TheSheep> neozen: grep works fine
[10:23] <TheSheep> neozen: I'd rather use cut instead of awk for such a simple thing though
[10:23] <neozen> cut?
[10:23] <neozen> ...nice
[10:23] <neozen> never heard of cut before
[10:24] <neozen> thankee
[10:24] <TheSheep> neozen: beware, using it for processing larger sets of data leads to *very* inneficient programs (lots of forks0
[10:24] <TheSheep> )
[10:25] <neozen> will keep that in mind
[10:26] <neozen> what exactly is the definition of "large sets of data" these days
[10:26] <neozen> a gb or two of text?
[10:26] <TheSheep> neozen: for bash scripts it's still about 1M
[10:27] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[10:27] <neozen> eep
[10:27] <neozen> that's tiny
[10:27] <TheSheep> hi hyper_ch
[10:27] <TheSheep> neozen: you usually process text though
[10:27] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how are you?
[10:27] <TheSheep> neozen: try to type 1GB of text
[10:27] <neozen> nope
[10:27] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: fine, thanks, you?
[10:27] <neozen> don't have to
[10:27] <TheSheep> neozen: ok, logs
[10:27] <hyper_ch> one does not have to type 1gb, one can generate that ;)
[10:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: same... room looks very empty now here
[10:28] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: tried skating yet? ;)
[10:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: nope, there are still some obstacles like a bed and the computer ;)
[10:29] <neozen> lol
[10:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: two more nights and then my university life/career comes to a definitive end ;(
[10:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: first time I'm going to live alone
[10:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you need to find yourself a hyperette
[10:32] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:32] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I have one, but she's still in Canada
[10:32] <Ben_Cs> had a problem before, that vlc and other players didn't show video
[10:32] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you have win32codecs installed?
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> problem solved. "window manager twiks" if enabled, crews totaly the video streams
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> *screws
[10:33] <hyper_ch> evil twaks
[10:33] <hyper_ch> tweaks
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> eventually i reinstalled xubuntu, and checked vlc after each change i made. and so i found the cause
[10:34] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: what video card have you got?
[10:34] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you mean compositor?
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> intel 950
[10:34] <TheSheep> argh
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> yes , compositor
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: evil tweaks indeed
[10:34] <hyper_ch> according to TheSheep's reaction tot he intel card it's not a very good one ;)
[10:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, it's good, I just had some problems with intel cars on older kernels
[10:35] <hyper_ch> tot he --> to the
[10:35] <Ben_Cs> it's actually has great performance with games
[10:35] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah... well, I trust in nVidia
[10:35] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: never disappointed me
[10:35] <hyper_ch> not on windoze, not in linux
[10:35] <Jester45> oo intel makes cars now to :0
[10:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'd prefer opensource drivers
[10:36] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: like?
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> google makes cell phones, so y can't intel make cars :)
[10:36] <TheSheep> Jester45: do you have to stop, get out and get back in if it bleascreens?
[10:36] <TheSheep> bluescreens
[10:36] <hyper_ch> well, SWATCH also makes cars
[10:36] <Jester45> front window turns blue
[10:36] <hyper_ch> google cell phones?
[10:36] <Jester45> and you have to get out and back in
[10:37] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I want one!
[10:37] <neozen> I've had great experience w/ the intel950
[10:37] <Ben_Cs> is there a prog for linux like norton ghost is for win?
[10:37] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: dd
[10:37] <neozen> dd
[10:37] <Jester45> lol
[10:37] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: it's called dd
[10:37] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:37] <Jester45> dd is much better
[10:37] <neozen> because it's dumber
[10:37] <Ben_Cs> it's htc +google cooperation
[10:37] <TheSheep> Jester45: yes, it also rips cds ;)
[10:37] <hyper_ch> what does dd actually stand for? dupicate disc?
[10:38] <neozen> dump device
[10:38] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: dump data
[10:38] <neozen> something like that
[10:38] <neozen> that'll do
[10:38] <TheSheep> or data dump
[10:38] <Jester45> DD is an acronym for "data definition"
[10:38] <hyper_ch> it's named after what it does... what a genious idea ;)
[10:38] <Jester45> says wikipedia
[10:38] <hyper_ch> Jester45: wiki can be manipulated ;)
[10:38] <neozen> wonder what awk stands for...
[10:39] <TheSheep> neozen: the info is available
[10:39] <neozen> ah... author's names
[10:39] <neozen> makes sense
[10:39] <TheSheep> neozen: THAT Aho?
[10:40] <Jester45> huhu hyper_ch
[10:40] <Jester45> :)
[10:40] <hyper_ch> there's truly someone named Awk? Poor guy ;)
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: huhu
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: how the gf doing?
[10:40] <Jester45> what one
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: that one you've talked about the other week
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: you have more than one?
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: or do you change them that often? ;)
[10:40] <TheSheep> Data Structures and Algorithms (with A. V. Aho and J. E. Hopcroft)
[10:40] <Ben_Cs> is dd in repos?
[10:41] <Ben_Cs> cause i don't see it
[10:41] <Jester45> hyper_ch, both
[10:41] <TheSheep> Aho, Hopcroft and Ullman are almost as famous as Knuth
[10:41] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: dd is installed by default... it's command line ;)
[10:41] <Ben_Cs> i see
[10:41] <hyper_ch> knuth?
[10:41] <hyper_ch> Jester45: hehehe
[10:42] <Ben_Cs> i wrote "dd" and no response
[10:42] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: harder ;)
[10:42] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: man dd
[10:42] <Ben_Cs> ok
[10:42] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :)
[10:42] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=mybackup
[10:42] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: for a moment I thought you were referring to the icebear Knut
[10:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth
[10:43] <Jester45> and to replace its if=mybackup of=/dev/hda1
[10:43] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: and don't forget to prepend it with sudo
[10:43] <neozen> TheSheep: whee... I'm reading that
[10:43] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: thanks
[10:44] <neozen> oh wait.... this is Art of Unix Programming
[10:44] <hyper_ch> Version numbers of his TeX software approach the transcendental number , that is versions increment in the style 3, 3.1, 3.14 and so on. Version numbers of Metafont approach the number e similarly.
[10:45] <hyper_ch> thats great
[10:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yup
[10:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: mail him and ask when the version 4.0 is scheduled :D
[10:46] <neozen> TheSheep: that was a good book
[10:46] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I guess that will make me a victim of his humor
[10:46] <TheSheep> neozen: makes you believe in Quality :)
[10:47] <neozen> heheehe
[10:47] <neozen> and all its various forms
[10:48] <TheSheep> neozen: but that's not new, programmers always knew that code has Quality
[10:48] <neozen> and other code... does not
[10:48] <neozen> what's that rule? 90% of everything is garbage
[10:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: 74% of bebop fetched
[10:49] <TheSheep> even if you, after a month of hacking, come up with exactly the same code that you started with, it has a lot more of it than initially
[10:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: cool, you're working for my ratio :D
[10:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how comes?
[10:49] <neozen> its more the way it is now then it ever was before
[10:50] <neozen> (quote from pattern recognition)
[10:50] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: that's a "private" tracker, and it keeps track of how much you download/upload
[10:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah :)
[10:51] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and that particular download is "freebie", meaning that it doesn't count how much you download of it, but it counts upload normally
[10:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh well, I slowly find my way around public trackers... one day I maybe will also master private ones ;)
[10:53] <TheSheep> but I'm being OT here, sorry
[10:53] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: no need to be sorry
[10:54] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm supposed to watch over this channel
[10:55] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and that you do... but no one here has any support inquiry pending right now
[10:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: still, many people lurk here and read scrollback
[10:56] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what for?
[10:56] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: to see what happened when they were afk
[10:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I do that too
[10:57] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: those people must really be bored
[10:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: on the contrary
[10:57] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I mean those except you ;)
[10:57] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why would one do that if he's not bored?
[10:58] <TheSheep> procrastination :D
[10:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ???
[10:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I don't understand
[10:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: suppose you have lots of work -- so much, that you don't even know what to start with
[10:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what do you do then?
[10:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: go back to bed ;)
[10:59] <Jester45> nothing
[11:00] <hyper_ch> Jester45: nice upload ;)
[11:00] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: of course! you browse wikipedia, read jokes, customize your desktop, read scrollback, etc.
[11:00] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, never done reading scrollback... but the others... yeah, done that
[11:01] <Jester45> my moviex.info stats are 6.3gb up 4.12 down 1.53 ratio
[11:01] <hyper_ch> Jester45: what's that? private torrent?
[11:01] <Jester45> yep
[11:01] <Jester45> only kind i will use
[11:02] <hyper_ch> how does one use them=
[11:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: afraid of RIA?
[11:02] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you need to be registered, then you download a torrent with hash of your password embedded
[11:02] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: is that a mix of RIAA and CIA?
[11:02] <Jester45> i dont care about them
[11:02] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah :) and those are great?
[11:03] <Jester45> i like the speed and the quality of the torrents
[11:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: so far I just use TOB
[11:03] <hyper_ch> TPB
[11:03] <Jester45> TPB mininova moviex torrentzilla and google for me
[11:03] <TheSheep> ok, this is getting really offtopic
[11:03] <TheSheep> even for freenode :(
[11:03] <hyper_ch> suprnova is supposed to open again
[11:04] <hyper_ch> ^^
[11:04] <hyper_ch> ok, let's put that in a xubuntu context... ;)
[11:05] <hyper_ch> btw, anyone can recommend me a notebook for xubuntu?
[11:06] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: this one looks good: http://www.tlachac.com/FLASHMX/TicTackToe/ScannedNotebookPaper.gif
[11:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it even comes with Genuine Paper Advantage
[11:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: intuitive user interface
[11:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: lol....
[11:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and 3d scrolling animation
[11:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: have you installe Linux Genuine Advantage?
[11:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: can't find genuine linux anywhere
[11:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: so I just have the advantages
[11:08] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/  --> but it's already hacked ;)
[11:10] <hyper_ch> hello archangelpetro, how may we help tonight?
[11:11] <archangelpetro> :D i do appreciate the concern and friendliness :)
[11:11] <archangelpetro> but i'm here just for the sheer pleasure of company
[11:11] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: was that now enough on-topic? ;)
[11:12] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: ^^
[11:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: he's here to read the scrollback
[11:12] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: go back to work ;)
[11:12] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how, if he wasn't logged in before?
[11:13] <archangelpetro> :P how are you TheSheep? :)
[11:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: cut him some slack, he's just starting
[11:13] <archangelpetro> (im not just starting?....?)
[11:13] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah :)
[11:13] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: sorry about that, just joking around
[11:13] <archangelpetro> :D
[11:13] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: you've just started collecting the scrollback
[11:14] <archangelpetro> i'll forgive you :)
[11:14] <archangelpetro> ah, i see
[11:14] <hyper_ch> hmmm could I input somehow from /dev/urandom into freenode.org #xubuntu with IRSSI?
[11:14] <TheSheep> it's kind of like kilwater
[11:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: try /cat /dev/urandom
[11:14] <archangelpetro> lol
[11:15] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you'll get kicked instantly
[11:15] <hyper_ch> well, if I can pip from /dev/urandom into this channel, then he'll have very much scrollback soon :)
[11:15] <archangelpetro> actually
[11:15] <archangelpetro> about 10 lines
[11:15] <archangelpetro> before you disappear :)
[11:15] <TheSheep> not even taht if I'm quick :)
[11:15] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: don't
[11:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: to be quick is not always advicable :)
[11:16] <hyper_ch> damn, i'm OT again
[11:16] <archangelpetro> :)
[11:17] <hyper_ch> so, archangelpetro what issue do you have with Xubuntu?
[11:18] <archangelpetro> well, i dont use xubuntu :D
[11:18] <archangelpetro> not anymore :D
[11:18] <archangelpetro> so, none?
[11:18] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: that issue can easily be resolved
[11:18] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: you know where to find the ISOs?
[11:18] <archangelpetro> i do indeed, ty
[11:18] <Ben_Cs> the issue is: he doesn't use xubuntu
[11:18] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: and do you have a blank cd or rw at your disposal?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: ^^
[11:19] <archangelpetro> i use debian :)
[11:19] <archangelpetro> hate me, if you will :)
[11:19] <Ben_Cs> but with xfce yes?
[11:19] <archangelpetro> i used to use Xubuntu, but I didnt like Xorg, it kept taking up more and more memory
[11:19] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: why do you use a server OS for a desktop? ;)
[11:19] <archangelpetro> xfce is cool :)
[11:20] <archangelpetro> desktop
[11:20] <Ben_Cs> it's best
[11:20] <archangelpetro> and my preferred WM
[11:20] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: so now you're using the-X-server-with-funny-license?
[11:20] <cheeseboy> any of you ubuntu forum staff ?
[11:20] <archangelpetro> :D
[11:21] <Ben_Cs> i tried gnome+kde+fluxbox and like most xfce and then fluxbox
[11:21] <archangelpetro> i like FVWM also
[11:21] <hyper_ch> fluxbox is great on my usb stick
[11:21] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: usb? DSL then?
[11:21] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: yes, dsl
[11:21] <LikeVinyl> for me, first place: xfce, second: enlightenment (in the future rockz) third: fluxbox (better for games)
[11:22] <Ben_Cs> i like DSL as a mini-distro
[11:22] <hyper_ch> 70mb on the stick
[11:22] <hyper_ch> 1.9 gb free ;)
[11:22] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it uses windowmaker, right?
[11:22] <Ben_Cs> had DSL on PII
[11:22] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i recon so
[11:23] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: and ROX as file manager
[11:23] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: can we help anyway?
[11:24] <cheeseboy> i need someone good with xboxs networking and python
[11:24] <Ben_Cs> BTW ppl, when i get a message marked in red, does it mean it's a private message or it's just reaction to <nick name>: and everybody can see it?
[11:25] <cheeseboy> doubt anyone like that is here
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: it's just highlighting ;)
[11:25] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I'm good with networking and python, you still need someone good with xbox though :/
[11:25] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: maybe he can give you an xbox ;)
[11:25] <cheeseboy> TheSheep well i doubt its the xboxs fault
[11:25] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: do only i see the highlighting?
[11:26] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: nope, it's a public channel... but highlighting helps if you are talking to someone specific ;)
[11:26] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: and anybody else who has the same nick as you ;)
[11:26] <cheeseboy> TheSheep i want to use this python script to watch videos from tv-links.co.uk on my xbox but i get connection reset by peer
[11:26] <Ben_Cs> how do i highlight?
[11:27] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: looks like they are closing the connection for some reason
[11:27] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: mention the nick
[11:27] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: <-- like this
[11:27] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you can use tab
[11:27] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: <-- or this
[11:27] <Ben_Cs> i see. cool.
[11:27] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: the xbox has no problem watching the videos when modem is directly attaxched to modem
[11:27] <hyper_ch> let's mass highlight Ben_Cs ^^
[11:27] <Ben_Cs> LOL
[11:28] <Ben_Cs> i like this xchat prog very much. nicer than konversation
[11:28] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: you use etch?
[11:28] <archangelpetro> aye
[11:28] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: konvi is much better
[11:29] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: xbox is connected to this pc via crossover cable
[11:29] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: can you make a .deb for egroupware?
[11:29] <archangelpetro> possibly
[11:30] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: I just don't seem to be able to install it properly ;(
[11:30] <hyper_ch> archangelpetro: in sarge there was a package in the repo
[11:30] <Ben_Cs> konvi is kde app?
[11:30] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: are you routing all the traffic to it?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: yes, so what?
[11:31] <archangelpetro> what is it hyper_ch?
[11:31] <hyper_ch> http://www.egroupware.org/
[11:31] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you're using masquerade, or the xbox has its own ip?
[11:31] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: ACCEPT     0    --  192.168.2.0/24       anywhere            state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED in iptables
[11:31] <Ben_Cs> i googled it and it says that konversation is the new version of konvi
[11:31] <cheeseboy> xboxs ip is 192.168.2.103
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: koni is just the abbreviation I use :) it's knoversation... it's really great
[11:32] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: and videos from youtube and apple video trailers work
[11:33] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: sudo iptables -L POSTROUTING
[11:34] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: what does that say?
[11:34] <cheeseboy> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
[11:34] <TheSheep> ok, so no masquerade
[11:34] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: use konvi for a week. don't see how it's better than xchat
[11:35] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: how is xchat better than knoversation?
[11:35] <Ben_Cs> it's pretty much the same i guess
[11:36] <Ben_Cs> well. time to sleep
[11:36] <Ben_Cs> nighty night all
[11:37] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: how does it download the movie exactly?
[11:38] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: im not sure you want to see the python script?
[11:39] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: yes, please
[11:41] <archangelpetro> im off to bed, nn people
[11:41] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: http://rafb.net/p/spvk9L57.html
[11:47] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: omg, it does http manually using sockets :D
[11:47] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: wonder why he didn't use urllib
[11:47] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: will you update it for me please ?
[11:52] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: ok, find the place where it uses mySocket
[11:53] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: around line 297
[11:53] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: comment it all out
[11:53] <TheSheep> from mySocket = socket.socket(... to mySocket.close()
[11:54] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: then put this in there http://rafb.net/p/AB9tUP68.html
[11:55] <cheeseboy> arg it looks alot different in gedit
[11:56] <TheSheep> ?
[11:58] <mikubuntu> has anyone listening used xubuntu while navigating aol's 'new' mail site, and do you know of any issues associated.   i put ubuntu on my friends laptop, and she went straight to aol, who i like about as much as i like bill gates, and had all kinds of problems with her mail.  she'd selectr mail to delete, and it keeps showing back up, like bad beer, or seafood (and some poultry products). ...
[11:58] <mikubuntu> ...also she kept getting an error message: unresponsive script on page.
[12:08] <mikubuntu> someone said earlier that it might be a browser specific problem with firefox, but got the same result with opera.  didn't have any of the same problems using yahoo or gmail, so it's an aol incompatibility with SOMETHING.
[12:08] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: http://rafb.net/p/fFQe8g20.html is that right ?
[12:09] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: yeah, should work
[12:09] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: btw, that code is UGLY
[12:10] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: if you rewrite it id be very happy :-P
[12:10] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: not only it uses java-like names, it also confuses sockets and python's file-like urlopener interface
[12:10] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: ultra ugly .... tabs = 4 spaces, lines shouldn't be longer than 80 characters
[12:11] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i gotta run, just had to throw in my 2 cents :)
[12:15] <cheeseboy> so TheSheep so will you fix the whole script ?
[12:16] <hyper_ch> why is there an empty line after each line of code?
[12:16] <cheeseboy> hyper_ch: no paste did that
[12:16] <hyper_ch> ah ;)
[12:18] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: no time or will :)
[12:18] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: does it work at least?
[12:20] <hyper_ch> nice, Hardy Heron :)
[12:20] <hyper_ch> that's the code name for 8.04
[12:20] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: havnt tested yet
[12:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: will it contain Nero? ;)
[12:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: no clue
[12:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why should it?
[12:21] <TheSheep> nah, sounded a bit like Herod
[12:22] <TheSheep> Heron was a Greek
[12:22] <hyper_ch> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-August/000336.html
[12:24] <TheSheep> the next version is *bound* to be codenamed "Stealth Ninja Mutant Robot Pirate Zombie"
[12:24] <hyper_ch> lol
[12:25] <TheSheep> I don't understand, which version will be LTS, 8.04 or 7.10?
[12:25] <hyper_ch> 8.04
[12:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: at least they say so in the release
[12:26] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[01:00] <eagle-101> mmm whoever is in charge of wireless development for ubuntu really needs to see what linux from scratch has done.
[01:01] <eagle-101> LFS literally had a broadcom card working in 30 seconds
[01:03] <eagle-101> err missed up my distros, I mean puppy linux