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Tm_Tbug 103:59
Tm_Tubotu: wake up04:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104:01
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | Tribe 5 out
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mhbmorning folks12:47
Jucatomorning folk :)12:47
Jucatofrom your upstream dude? hehehe12:48
mhbJucato: next thing you know and you are saying KDE4 is not hyped :o)12:48
Jucatoduh!! it's super hyped!12:48
Jucatoboth by developers and very imaginative/anxious/clueless users/media :)12:49
kwwii_the biggest hype of all is the release date12:49
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Jucatohi kwwii!12:49
kwwiihi Jucato12:49
JucatoI see in the core-devel mailing list that we might have delays anyway...12:50
mhbwell, they just get the release names wrong. KDE beta is what we alpha and so on :o)12:50
Jucatoat least I will get the chance to tell those people demanding we delay Gutsy for KDE 4.0, "I told you so!"12:51
kwwiithis whole release date thing is almost embarrasing12:51
Jucatowouldn't it be more difficult to announce a delay right now than make up excuses later on?? Technical Platform Release wth? :)12:52
mhbkwwii: well at least they release the Oxygen icons for us folks to use :o)12:52
kwwiiI think that they should just get off their butts and finish the release on time ;-)12:53
Jucatohehe maybe that's hardly possible at this point :)12:53
kwwiimhb: actually oxygen is probably the biggest feature of the first release12:53
Jucatoyay hehe12:53
Jucatohow's the windeco doing?12:54
kwwiithat and the style are coming right along12:55
Jucatogreat! glad to hear that :)12:55
kwwiiI am sure that by october it will be ready for everyone to complain about :p12:55
JucatoI was a bit worried when I read that the original developer of the style walked out :(12:55
kwwiiactually that was probably for the better12:56
Jucatobah, there are always more whiners/complainers when artwork/taste is involved12:56
kwwiiand whether it was a walk or a push can be argued12:56
Jucatolet's just presume it's a walk for the sake of world peace :)12:56
kwwiiyepp, everyone and their brother have opinions about artwork12:56
Jucatohm...speaking of artwork..12:57
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kwwiiif I complain about code or functionality we have to listen to the geeks in the end but artwork - oh no, everyone has a say in that12:57
Jucatoheh :)12:58
Jucatobtw, I just can't help but feel that the wallpaper for gutsy looks oddly familiar12:58
Jucatoit's great either way :)12:58
kwwiiJucato: hrm? similar to what? I honestly did not try and copy anything12:59
Jucatonot accusing you of copying of course :)01:00
Jucatodunno... just that feeling... but can't put my finger on it actually01:00
kwwiihehe, it is probably just too good :p01:00
Jucatoit's always good :)01:00
Jucatoof course the color scheme still is a mix of blue and purple :P01:00
Jucatoand I had a usplash problem. just installed gutsy a few hours ago. but later on that01:01
Jucatodinner time!! :)01:01
kwwiibon appetit01:01
kwwiiRiddell: I just commited an updated colour-scheme01:01
Jucatoum before I go, where's the config file for usplash? I think I saw something saying that there's no usplash for 800x600?01:01
Jucatobasically I don't have a usplash when I boot01:02
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kwwiiJucato: I think that the issue was with 640x480 but the artwork is there as is a config01:03
kwwiiso it is more a technical problem than an artwork problem01:03
Riddellyes, it's a technical problem01:04
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Jucatoah I guessed so01:04
Riddellbut ubuntu usplash is also a bit wonky so I'm not sure the best way to fix01:04
kwwiiRiddell: the problem is not only in kubuntu I assume?01:05
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kwwiiKeybuck should be the one to fix it I guess01:06
manchicken(and some land, too)01:06
Jucatokwwii: lol now I think I know where I *think* saw the wallpaper :)01:06
kwwiimanchicken: wouldn't that be a big chicken coop01:06
Riddellkwwii: I think the 640x800 issue is kubuntu only, but ubuntu's usplash has a progress bar which is off centre01:06
Riddellalthough I guess it's always better to have the same bug as ubuntu01:06
Riddellmanchicken: congratulations01:06
manchickenkwwii: But of course.  Gotta have somewhere to raise my little hatchling.01:07
Jucatocongratulations manchicken01:07
manchickenIt's kinda intimidating to look on my bank's website and see a six-digit number staring me in the face.01:07
kwwiiRiddell: freaky - they should really be the same as the config files are the same01:07
manchickenGosh, that's scary.01:07
manchickenI'm hoping these updates will fix the horribly broken networkmanager I've currently got.01:07
manchickenLots of updates, so I remain hopeful.01:08
Jucatokwwii: it reminded me of opensuse 10.2 kdm, or rather a magnified cross-section of it http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5687/17br7.gif01:08
manchickenI think my kmail crashes were config issues.01:08
Jucatomanchicken: where you the one who added the Edit Software Source button in Adept Installer?01:09
manchickenThat'd be Riddell01:10
kwwiiJucato: not that close really, but I get your point01:10
Jucatooooh. I guess it would be either of you.01:10
manchickenOoh, koffice updates.  I like my koffice.01:10
kwwiiluckily I never saw 10.201:10
kwwii10.1 was the last one I did01:10
Jucatokwwii: yeah now that I look closely it's not really that similar. I just had that "feeling"01:10
manchickenkwwii: I stopped at 10.1... where ZMD would automatically update hardware drivers and kill your machine :)01:10
manchickenZMD was such a great idea, with such a crappy implementation.01:11
manchickenRiddell: I've been talking with Tom from System76, btw.01:11
manchickenRiddell: He's going to give me a list of issues that are holding System76 back from offering Kubuntu OEM :)01:11
manchickenWouldn't it be nice to have a Kubuntu OEM?01:12
manchickenI'd dig it.01:12
Riddellmanchicken: that would be interesting01:12
manchickenRiddell: As soon as I get them I'll pass them along to you.01:12
manchickenI'm not gonna check my mail right now though, because I'm on hawked wifi right now.01:12
manchickenWe're in the old rental house right now, but all of my networking equipment is packed.01:13
manchickenMy neighbor was nice enough to leave his wireless router unencrypted :)01:13
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kwwiiRiddell: btw, did you read my comment about the updated colour-scheme in bzr?01:15
Riddellkwwii: yes, I'll take a look in a bit01:17
Riddellkwwii: don't suppose you found where the kdm colour scheme is kept?01:17
kwwiiRiddell: nope, the only kcsrc I can find in k-d-s is the one I just changed01:19
kwwiiRiddell: erm, do not update that file yet, I forgot to change the name in the file itself01:19
Riddellkwwii: actually that kcsrc isn't used (unless you are changing your colour scheme back to kubuntu manually), the colours are in kdeglobals01:19
Riddellbut I'll sort that01:19
Riddellkwwii: what needs changed in the file name?01:20
kwwiicool, I learn something new every day01:20
kwwiithere is a Name= in the kcsrc file itself01:20
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kwwiiI just updated it, should I commit?01:20
manchickenHmm...  I've got some weird dbus issue that seems to be breaking networkmanager.01:21
manchickenAug 30 06:20:04 thepea dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason01:21
manchickenI got a bit of that.01:21
Riddellkwwii: sure01:22
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kwwiiRiddell: commited01:24
Riddellthanks, I'll take a look once I'm done compiling gtk01:25
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manchickenI think I'm experiencing Bug 9336001:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93360 in dhcdbd "Dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9336001:25
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manchickenLots of stupid comments on that bug...01:29
manchicken"Canonical should do something about this, if only to remove the trademark infraction. I do not believe that Red Hat would agree to have its name showing up under Ubuntu."01:33
manchickenThat's funny.01:33
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manchickenVery strange.01:33
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Riddellthat's hardly a case of trading with the name01:36
manchickenIf redhat folks didn't want their name there, they didn't have to name their dbus namespace as such :)01:37
manchickenEither way, it's a ridiculous argument.  heh01:37
manchickenRiddell: I'm more concerned about the bug.01:37
manchickenThis is preventing networkmanager from obtaining an IP address via dhcp.01:37
manchickenI don't know if it's happening for everybody though.01:38
manchickenI imagine if it were, it would have been sorted out by now.01:38
manchickenThis one is five months old.01:38
RiddellI've not had that problem01:39
manchickenI'm guessing this error handler is actually just an error about another error not being reported properly.01:41
manchickenI don't know how to get to NetworkManager's errors.01:43
manchickenThis is interesting: Aug 30 06:43:25 thepea NetworkManager: <info>  nm_policy_device_change_check:: !old_dev && !new_dev!!01:43
manchickenLooks like someone's debug code.01:44
manchickenDon't know whose though.01:44
manchickenDo you know who's maintaining networkmanager?01:44
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nixternalmanchicken: I get that dbus error as well01:54
manchickennixternal: Look at my comment on that bug01:55
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Riddellkwwii: I checked and kdm uses the same kdeglobals as the rest of KDE for its select colour02:24
kwwiiRiddell: cool, so the default settings will be applied02:25
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kwwiithis update should fix the problems then02:27
Riddellyes, this is more blue02:31
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blekoshi, in the ubuntu page mentions "Graphical configuration tool for X"02:43
blekoswill this be available in kubuntu?02:44
blekos(i want to be able to have outpout to my TV)02:44
Hobbseesure it's available, but it's probably not written in QT02:48
Riddelldisplayconfig has been available for several releases02:48
Riddellthe new gnome version displayconfig-gtk could also be used02:49
glatzorRiddell: by the way is there a plan to add the bulletproof x using kde-guidance to kubutnu?02:56
Riddellglatzor: I don't now if we can, it relies on a restart hook in gdm that kdm doesn't have02:59
Riddellallee: do you know what's happening with kdebluetooth?  we still have the "unstable to start" error on login03:01
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Riddellnixternal: I fixed casper and we now have "About Kubuntu" on the desktop03:03
Riddellwhich I think works well03:03
Riddellnixternal: however khelpcentre seems to have all its entried duplicated, any idea why?03:03
Jucatonixternal: I love this new look! :)03:05
blekoshow cani upgrade to guttsy from terminal?03:10
Riddellblekos: follow the instructions for server upgrade03:11
blekoswhich are found??03:11
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Riddelldunno, ask a server person03:12
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alleeRiddell: I've seen nothing when I loged in.   But there a bg on bt device removal.  blueplugd   first element of quitprogs[0]  should be kblueooth not kdeblueoothd.03:23
alleeRiddell: I'll test again a fresh user.  brb03:23
Riddellallee: if you have bluetooth hardware then you won't get the "can't load bluetooth" error03:23
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nixternalRiddell: where are the enteries duplicated? I don't see it...groovy on getting casper patched so it is on the desktop now :)03:28
nixternalJucato: thanks03:28
alleeRiddell:  can't confirm.  Everyhing fine (with my dev removal fix)03:29
Riddellnixternal: in the left hand tree view in khelpcentre on the live CD03:29
Jucatonow to browse through *all* of it :)03:29
alleeRiddell: grep kbluetooth /usr/share/autostart/*03:29
nixternalRiddell: I will have to grab a livecd image in a bit and check it out03:29
alleeRiddell: does it find an Exec= line?03:29
nixternaldon't know why it would do that on the live cd and not on an installed system03:29
gnomefreakwhen in dpatch-edit shell i cd to the file that the patch will be applied to and edit the file as needed right?03:29
ScottKgnomefreak: Yes.03:30
gnomefreakk ty03:30
ScottKThen when you are done, exit with a 0 exit code (just exit) and the patch will be saved.  Exit with a non-zero exit code and nothing gets saved.03:31
Riddellgrep kdebluetooth /usr/share/autostart/*03:32
Riddellallee: that's all03:32
gnomefreakScottK: ok cool03:32
RiddellExec=kbluetooth --dontforceshow03:32
Riddellallee: I presume it just needs an upload from tonio with your fancy Exec line03:33
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alleeRiddell: mhmm, after you pinged me I dist-upgraded and got a new kbt pkgs.  In this pkgs there's no kbluetooth.autostart.desktop.  Was replaced by kblueplugd.desktop in the autstart dir03:36
alleeRiddell: fwiw just replacing Exec is not enough.  There this dcop uniq thing in there that needs to be removed too.  Because kblueplugd script does not work like a uniq app03:37
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alleeRiddell: I'll send an e-mail to tonio about the dev-removal fix03:38
Riddell"4 hours ago   1.0~beta6~r706303-0ubuntu1"  so maybe it's already sorted03:38
Riddellallee: new package has http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kblueplugd.desktop03:43
alleeRiddell: yeap, this correctly autostarts if bt device a there.03:47
Riddellallee: great, problem solved03:47
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alleeRiddell: found 2-3 other little buglets.  I'm fixing them and sent a patch.   Btw. is correcting bugus changelog entries considered okay?03:49
Riddellallee: fine with me, although might be good to mention it in the top changelog entry if it's more than a typo03:54
aplg|mobileRiddell: how long does it usually take until one gets his @ubuntu address?04:00
Riddellaplg|mobile: dunno, ask in #canonical-sysadmin04:00
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RiddellHobbsee: shall we organise a meeting for next week?04:21
HobbseeRiddell: yes04:21
HobbseeRiddell: as for when, it'll have to be decided after i find out which uni timetable of mine is actually correc.t04:21
Hobbseeiirc, i want it on your tuesday evening04:22
Hobbseebut corey* wants to be there, and he's only there while i'm asleep, effectively04:23
Hobbseeobviously, as he's going for membership04:23
Hobbseeso i havent really thought about that one yet.04:23
Riddellhe's low priority in that his process is being done by e-mail because he's hard to schedule in04:23
JucatoHobbsee: I talked to him a few days ago. he mentioned that he was given a special exception that we could vote in e-mail04:23
Riddellwe'll vote at the meeting, but the discussion is by e-mail04:23
HobbseeJucato: yeah, true04:24
HobbseeRiddell: i'm not doing well this week.  someone stole my tuesday.04:24
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Riddelldid you look behind the fridge?  if you lose something it's nearly always there04:26
HobbseeRiddell: no, i didnt find my brain, nor my tuesday, behind the fridge.  not behind the couch, either :(04:26
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Jucatohm.. just noticed there isn't a Kubuntu Restricted extras in Adept Installer (Add/Remove Programs), only an Ubuntu restricted extras04:47
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RiddellJucato: please ping mvo about that04:54
Jucatook. thanks04:54
alleeRiddell or others with core upload right: upload: care to upload kbt  http://paste.debian.net/35803  or should I sent to Tonio?04:56
Riddellallee: I can do it04:56
alleeRiddell: thx!04:56
Riddellhow can I get that out of the pastebin in plain text?04:57
ScottKRiddell: scroll down to the bottem where you have an edit box and copy/paste what's in there.04:59
alleeInteresting question :)  Sent by e-mail to you04:59
alleeScottK: that usually converts tabs -> space.  And Tonio converted my spaces to tabs in kblueplugd.  Python bah! :)05:00
ScottKTab spacing code has nothing to do with Python.  It's just (IMO) a bad idea generally.05:03
Riddellallee: uploaded05:05
alleeRiddell: thx!05:05
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nixternalis there a way to use a previous version of KDEPIM? Enterprise is killing some of us and I have just been asked if we can revert to a non-enterprise release and not have it always wanting to update?06:24
nixternalin the past, I have done the obvious, but it eventually would break with the other kde* updates06:25
Riddellyou can pin to an older version I guess06:25
DaSkreechIn adept?06:25
nixternalya, that only works until an update breaks it...06:25
nixternalthough I would rather have it not start up, than to start up and delete all of my emails again06:26
Riddellyou can't pin in adept no06:27
nixternalhrmm, I really don't want to go back to Mutt :)06:27
nixternalalthough, with Mutt, I can run it from my server and just ssh from any puter to check it :)06:28
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mluserIs anyone having any problems with the latest Gutsy kubuntu usplash update?06:58
Riddellmluser: do tell06:58
mluserwell.. its not working I dont get the graphical boot screen at all, just reverts to text boot06:58
Riddellmluser: what resolution monitor do you have?06:58
mluserI checked the usplash.conf file and its set correctly06:58
mluserI'll try 'update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so' and then update the initramfs and see if that helps06:58
Riddellmluser: removing kubuntu-artwork-usplash would be useful06:58
Riddellshould do much the same thing06:58
mluserRiddell: you mean use the ubuntu artwork instead?06:58
Riddelland let me know if it's equally broken06:58
mluserok, will be back shortly06:58
Riddellyou can run sudo usplash from a linux console06:58
mluserOh.. thats even better.. one sec06:58
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=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Aug 23 23:58:53 2007
(mluser/#kubuntu-devel) interesting.. the kubuntu splash screen failed with a message that says "no usable theme found for 1280x1024"07:00
Jucatoand no matter what resolution you put in usplash.conf it doesn't work..07:01
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mluserJucato: I have not tried changing the resolution in usplash.conf, my laptop lcd looks best at 1400x105007:01
Jucatomy default usplash.conf had blank xres and yres, and I got the error message for 640x480 (presuming it's the default res)07:02
Jucatotried to change it to 1024x768 and 1280x1024, no dice07:02
mluserI will try that now, but if it does work with 1280x1024 isnt that still a bug in the kubuntu-usplash setup?07:03
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mluserNope.. wont work with either 1024x768 or 1280x1024, although it properly tells me that it cant find a theme for either 1024x768 or 1280x1024, but with 1400x1050 its still looking for 1280x102407:07
mluserI'll change it to using the ubuntu usplash untill the kutuntu package gets fixed/updated07:08
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mluserwell if you guys are interested just type this 'sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u', select the ubuntu usplash theme and all will be fine again.07:13
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mhbhi kde-devel, how is KDE4? :o)07:17
ScottKmhb: Wrong channel?07:18
mhbScottK: well, ask the kde-devel user ... I just presume he's running KDE407:18
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mhbScottK: otherwise I feel pretty comfortable here :o)07:19
jjesseits me trying to setup kde407:19
jjessestill checking things out of svn over slow hotel wireless07:19
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mhbScottK: you are right07:19
mhbthere is07:19
ScottKAnd there is.07:19
mhbhi jjesse, how's KDE4? :o)07:20
mhbjjesse: actually you don't have to set up separate users to hack KDE407:21
mhbjjesse: the techbase manuals are a little confusing (and you might know this already)07:21
jjessemhb: i do know that already07:22
jjessebut nixternal is suckering me into working on docs for kde407:22
jjesseso i'm working on getting it settup07:22
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mhbjjesse: right-o07:25
mhbjjesse: I don't know anything about the way you compile KDE4 now but if you get errors about "strigiconfig.h" missing, you should edit the corresponding source and change the include path from local to global07:26
mhbjjesse: which is what I had to do with today's checkout to get it working. If you do it differently, just ignore me :o)07:27
jjessemhb: hopefully my svn checkout will finish quickly07:30
jjessethe hotel's wireless is pretty slow07:30
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DaSkreechBeta 2 was flagged right?07:32
mhbDaSkreech: no, it was tagged :o)07:33
DaSkreechHardy HarHar07:33
mhbDaSkreech: forgive my good mood07:33
DaSkreechI'll join you after lunch07:34
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Riddellmluser: you're right, it's broken07:46
snikkerwhy if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder) start with a comment (#) or a blank line, the templates file in the packaged version (with debuild) start with 2 blank lines? This happen in dapper07:53
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Riddellsnikker: I don't understand07:56
Riddellpossibly an example would help07:56
DaSkreechsabdfl gone back to using ubuntu plain?07:59
DaSkreechHe was giving reasons that he doesn't use evolution07:59
mluserRiddell: thanks07:59
RiddellDaSkreech: he's always used ubuntu on his laptop, it's his desktop that has kubuntu08:00
DaSkreechAh right I thought it was the other way around08:00
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snikkerRiddell: if you have a "debian/template.master" file like the one in the sample here: http://pastebin.com/d46e962ea, after packaging it replace the comment block, with a blank line08:06
Riddellsnikker: dunno, maybe that's just how debconf does it's thing (or possibly debhelper does the install), you'd need to ask someone with more experience of debconf08:07
snikkerRiddell: oh, ok... this could be a right chan for this, or i must ask in another chan?08:09
Riddellsnikker: #ubuntu-motu or failing that play with the big boys in #ubuntu-devel08:11
ScottKHe already asked in #ubuntu-devel and got no answer.  He's shopping now.08:12
Riddelldoes it matter?  it's only spaces08:12
Riddelltsk, sarcasm from #u-d08:13
snikkerYes, i've alread asked in #ubuntu-devel ut with no answer... i'll try in #ubuntu-motu later...08:14
snikkerRiddell: now i must go... btw thanks for your help and for your work in kubuntu :)08:16
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Lure_Riddell: is it just me, or is new kdepim very unstable (crashes, random failures of pop...)?08:17
milianhow do I remove the new "favorite folder" feature from kmail?08:17
milianI don't like it but cant find any option to hide it08:17
RiddellLure_: it seems not be to just you08:17
RiddellLure_: but the maintainers are responsive, please do report bugs to them (till and pradeepto on #kontact)08:17
RiddellI guess I should revert it, although I hate to think what will happen with the version number08:18
Lure_Riddell: ok, I plan to first re-install clean gutsy today (last tribe + updates) as I want to be sure it is not my gutsy install that is bad08:18
Lure_Riddell: I suppose kde4.0 beta2 is around the corner?08:19
RiddellLure_: hopefully yes08:19
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Lure_Riddell: great, I have finally some time now to restart my hacking times (after vacation and all the business trips)08:20
RiddellLure_: anything you're itching to work on?08:23
Riddellmluser: about?08:23
Riddellmluser: could you try http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-artwork-usplash_7.10-19_i386.deb08:23
mhbRiddell: are you working on packaging beta2? Or is it again stuck on the buildd?08:29
Riddellthere have only been tarballs available for a few hours08:29
jjessegrin i've only been downloading from svn for the last few hours as well08:29
Riddellmhb: I was planning on starting tomorrow, although if someone wants to start tonight I can get you the tar files08:30
mhbRiddell: I'm not the mighty packager, so I guess I leave it to you08:31
Riddellanyony else want to try that .deb?08:32
mluserRiddell: Yes.. I'll try it now.. one second please08:33
mluserRiddell: It work now with that new package, thanks :)08:36
ryanakcaallee: ping, I figured out a way around giving users a shell, just so they can change their password... it's based on irssh, which restricts access to an irssi screen... http://pastebin.ca/67603808:38
Riddellmluser: great08:39
Lure_Riddell: help on digikam for kde4 port08:39
mluserI have not tested with any other resolutions besides 1400x1050 though08:39
Lure_Riddell: if you have something to look in gutsy, I could also look into that08:39
Lure_Riddell: and I may look into powermgmt work for kde4 (have seen emails from sebas)08:40
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alleeryanakca: cool!08:41
RiddellLure_: main coding work I'd like to see if strigi becoming a systray applet08:43
Lure_Riddell: but not for gutsy (since we are in feature freeze), right?08:44
Riddellfor gutsy08:44
Riddellit's not really a feature, just a jiggling of the existing applet08:44
Lure_Riddell: I am not sure how tray will be done in kde4 though (I suspect still based on Qt tray)08:45
Riddellit's for kde 308:45
Riddellcurrent applet is a kicker applet, but that takes up too much space08:45
Lure_Riddell: yep, Qt4 under kde308:45
Riddellit should be a systray icon that pops up the text field08:45
Lure_Riddell: so you would just have an icon?08:45
RiddellLure_: the applet is kde 3 code08:45
Riddell(you could start on in qt 4 but as you say that would be a new feature)08:46
Lure_Riddell: right...08:46
Lure_Riddell: so what would you change exactly for kde3/gutsy? Just replace input field with icon only (or make old behaviour optional)08:52
mhbyay for Lure_ back! :o)08:52
Lure_mhb: hello!08:52
RiddellLure_: change the kicker applet which has a text field, to be a systray application with the text field as popup widget08:52
Lure_mhb: and yay for all mhb's goodies in gutsy! ;-)08:52
sahin_wKmail from the enterprise branch messed up my IMAP account.08:52
Lure_Riddell: but we may want to keep old behaviour (optional) as some people might be fine to give some tray space to remove need for another click08:52
sahin_wI don't like this enterprise branch.08:52
mluseranyone here have a repository for adding freenx to Gutsy?08:52
sahin_wKmail simply mark all of my mails as unreaded.08:52
nixternalhehe, the Enterprise branch is creating all kinds of goodies08:53
sahin_wNow I'dont know what is unreaded really.08:53
RiddellLure_: can do, if it's easy to do08:53
sahin_wI cry for the old good kmail.08:54
Riddellsahin_w: that sounds like a bug that was reported this morning08:54
Riddellsahin_w: but please complain to till and pradeepto in #kontact and let me know what they say08:54
Lure_Riddell: ok, will look into this over weekend08:54
DaSkreechnixternal: Like?08:54
fdovingso.. suddenly gutsy killed my sound. intel-thing. fun.08:54
Riddellnixternal: you deleted the Tribe 6 page?08:55
RiddellLure_: you rock08:55
sahin_wRiddell: Ok, I will... But first... time smoke.08:55
Lure_Riddell: I will rock if I can really do it (as I am no Qt expert) ;-)08:59
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RiddellLure_: I don't think it would be that hard, just change from a kicker applet to a ksystrayicon09:06
Riddellall the rest is the same09:06
nixternalRiddell: yes I did!09:08
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Lure_Riddell: I think so...09:08
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nixternalRiddell: that's right, I decided on a little jumpstart this time...no more procrastination!!09:09
sahin_wRiddell: I saw the conversion on #kontact.09:09
sahin_wRiddell: Is this a good idea to provide a kontakt snapshot to the end users?09:09
nixternalsahin_w: did you have the same issue with IMAP that there is for POP3? ie. when you manually check email it is sent to the trash folder and marked as spam since it has been stripped of everything?09:10
jjessenixternal: still chekcing out qt-copy :(09:11
nixternalhaha :)09:11
sahin_wnixternal: Nope. I just configured kmail for IMAP, and I did a manual check.09:11
nixternalwhat issue are you having with enterprise then?09:11
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sahin_wnixternal: kmail started to refresh the "mail view"09:12
sahin_wnixternal: and simply marks evry mail as an unreaded one.09:12
nixternalhrmm...I haven't seen that one yet09:12
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nixternalbut right now I have to open kontact/kmail, check email, then close kontact/kmail09:13
sahin_wnixternal: So kmail did not eat my mails, just marked as unreaded.09:13
mhbjjesse: if you used Gutsy ... :o)09:13
nixternalhehe so true mhb...definitely saves you time09:13
nixternalor if you used Debian Testing09:13
sahin_wnixternal: on the #kontakt channel the developres told me, this is a known problem.09:13
nixternalahh, must be IMAP only then09:13
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sahin_wnixternal: yes, this is imap only09:14
sahin_wnixternal: some kind of flag handling problem.09:15
sahin_wAhhhh! I'm lucky by the way!09:16
sahin_wI didn't close my oter offline imap client at home.09:16
sahin_wSo now I know which mail is realy unreaded.09:17
sahin_wIt's time for lottery. ;-)09:17
DaSkreechBeta2 will be gutsy only?09:18
mhbDaSkreech: I guess it won't09:19
mhbDaSkreech: but you know how much time it takes to build the packages09:19
mhbaww, I won't get KDE4 Desktop Effects on the best open-source graphic card driver in town :(09:20
nixternalRiddell: if you want/need help with the KDE 4 Beta 2 packages, let me know09:21
mhbDaSkreech: yup09:21
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mhbDaSkreech: screen turns white and you have to close the session09:21
mhbwhite screen of death, you might say09:21
sahin_wmhb: I have ATI card in my notebook. So I think I won't see the effects on too. :-(09:22
mhbsahin_w: on the contrary, I think you might be09:23
sahin_wmhb: I have to use the fglrx driver.09:23
sahin_wmhb: Without fglrx I can't use my card.09:23
DaSkreechmhb: not by the criteria you set09:24
sahin_wmhb: I think fglrx driver and the KDE4 effects won't be good friends soon.09:24
sahin_wmhb: However I have nvidia card in my home pc. So I will try the effects on that machine.09:25
mhbsahin_w: yeah09:26
mhbthey still have a year to work on it (nudge nudge wink wink) .o)09:26
nixternalanything !nvidia == horrid with KDE 4 composite effects09:28
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ryanakcanixternal: isn't anything !nvidia usually horrid with any composite effect?09:32
nixternalanything !intel is horrid binary hell! :)09:33
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sahin_wIs the KDE4 effect relay on composite? Right?09:36
sahin_wSo Is this effect using composite?09:37
sahin_wIf yes, the same true for compiz fusion too. I think.09:37
mhbsahin_w: yes, it is09:38
mhbnixternal: yes, but not even intel works well on "kwin composite" (or how do you call it)09:38
nixternalyou got it right I think09:39
nixternalit works here fine for me with kwin composite in kde309:39
nixternala little slowness, but not horribly bad like compiz or such09:39
sahin_wnixternal: Are you have any problem with composite and kde3?09:40
mhbnixternal: I managed to enable the effects and actually see them (the first crash was related to a second X session having no direct rendering)09:40
sahin_wnixternal: I'm wondering because I switched on my home pc once...09:40
nixternalI didn't when I tried it...I don't use any of the composite stuff anyways..it messes with all of my key-combos and really isn't efficient or practical09:40
mhbnixternal: but the window gets focus in like 15s, which is not really desirable09:40
nixternalhaha, ya, I had that same issue with the KDE 4 compositing...and it was another 15s just to click the checkbox to shut it off09:41
mhbnixternal: it took me a minute to wait until it really checks off the checkbox :o)09:41
sahin_wnixternal: ... and there was some issues. So I switched of. I'm talking about the kde3 built in effects.09:41
nixternalthere are a lot of bugs with the kwin compositing in kde309:41
sahin_wnixternal: Yes, so I don't use it.09:42
nixternalI don't need shadows and all of that...doesn't do anything for me really...and those few extra cycles can be used for pbuilder or gcc09:42
sahin_wHowever compiz and KDE4 effects have some good features.09:42
sahin_wI really like when the put the pointer to the right upper corner and I can see all of my windows.09:43
sahin_wI can select what I wan't.09:43
nixternalthat is one feature I do like..the scaling...09:44
sahin_wAnd I like the alt+tab handling too.09:44
sahin_wThe cube effect in compiz not so amazig for me for example. But really amazed my 2.5 years old sun. ;-)09:45
sahin_w"Please dady, the box again"09:46
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DaSkreechsahin_w: Show him the pyramid :)09:48
Riddellnixternal: why did you delete the tribe 6 page?09:49
sahin_wYes, and I won't work on my computer anymore. ;-) He would like to see the effects over and over again.09:49
nixternalRiddell: take a look at the tribe 6 page :)09:49
Riddellnixternal: ooh, groovy09:50
DaSkreechwiki.kubuntu !09:51
Riddellnixternal: if you want to start on kde 4 tonight I can give you access to them09:53
DaSkreechSweet Go Mandriva :)09:54
nixternalRiddell: that works for me09:54
DaSkreechkwwii: I guess the purple scheme won't be installable Gutsy?09:54
sahin_wI fixed my IMAP folders after the "gutsy kmail crime".09:56
sahin_wI won't use the enterprise branch till the package which contains the fix won't be uploaded.09:57
Riddellparse error09:57
kwwiiDaSkreech: nope, guess not unless you take it from some feisty repo09:58
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DaSkreechI liked the purple :*(09:58
nixternalcome on man, kde is all about that blooooo09:59
nixternalyou can always switch to brown09:59
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nixternalas long as it is not "hardy" har har10:00
nixternalRiddell: when it comes to K, they better let us pick for once10:00
DaSkreechYeah my friends are calling it hard-on for short10:01
mhbnixternal: oliver was, is and always will be rock-solid :o)10:02
nixternalDaSkreech: your friends aren't the only one10:02
nixternalI have heard the ear full at the uni these past couple of days10:03
DaSkreechHa ha Like what?10:03
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mhbyou whippersnappers call it "hard-on" ... nobody appreciates the classic comedy acts anymore :o(10:05
mhbDaSkreech: Oliver .o) the rock-solid LTS one10:09
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nixternalI am a 33 yo whippersnapper!! yes! \o/10:09
DaSkreechL ->P ->T ->X ->BB10:10
nixternalL, P, T, X10:10
nixternalhaha, that sucked to count out10:10
nixternalX will be a fun one10:11
DaSkreechWhat adjective is worthy of a LTS X ?10:11
DaSkreechwhat X adjective is there? :)10:11
nixternalwho knows...food time..back in a few10:11
ryanakcaHmm. When you open the new kontact for the first time, you get a blue screen giving you the option to read the handbook, setup for egroupware, and another option. Any way to get back to that screen?10:17
ryanakca(enterprise edition)10:18
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mhbwhat's the URL for the daily-live kubuntu cd? I'm trying rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/11:15
mhbbut it's not the one I guess11:16
ryanakcamhb: just a sec... I have it somewheres11:23
ryanakcaor maybe not... um11:23
Riddellmhb: see KubuntuFiles11:25
mhbthank you very much ,both of you11:26
ryanakcamhb: rsync -v --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-amd64.iso .11:27
mhbRiddell: I should have poked about the missing l10n in guidance modules11:28
ryanakcaor the one on KubuntuFiles ... now that I look at it... it's probably better :)11:29
Riddellmhb: mm, right11:29
Riddellit's on my todo11:29
mhbRiddell: splendid, if you need any assistance I can provide, tell me11:31
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Riddellnixternal: did you want to start on KDE 4 beta 2?11:42
DaSkreechnixternal: you are documenting it?11:43
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DaSkreechnixternal: QUESTION12:07
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LureRiddell: no failsafe-X in Kubuntu Gutsy, right? http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18534&limit=no&threshold=-112:24
nosrednaekimno bulletproof x in kubuntu?12:27
mhbLure: AFAIK no, because of kdm not supporting it12:33
Luremhb: yep, have just re-read the spec... :-(12:34
nosrednaekimthat sucks...12:34
nosrednaekimwhat if I switched to gdm?12:34
nosrednaekimmore to the point... what if kubuntu switched to gdm?12:35
mhbvery unlikely to happen12:35
nosrednaekimyeah... I know.12:35
nosrednaekimis kdm being rewritten for KDE4?12:35
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mhbnosrednaekim: I guess if you have displayconfig-gtk AND gdm, it will work12:35
mhbactually what I'd go for would be showing KDE upstream some love and implementing the same thing in KDM4 (if there is/will be any)12:36
nosrednaekimyeah... that probably would be better. and I'd try.. but alas, I don't know C++.12:38

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