[03:59] <Tm_T> bug 1
[04:00] <Tm_T> #1
[04:00] <Tm_T> ubotu: wake up
[04:00] <Tm_T> !botsnack
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:01] <Tm_T> heh
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <jdong> LOL
[04:01] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:27] <Prezu> 
[12:47] <mhb> morning folks
[12:47] <Jucato> morning folk :)
[12:48] <Jucato> from your upstream dude? hehehe
[12:48] <mhb> Jucato: next thing you know and you are saying KDE4 is not hyped :o)
[12:48] <Jucato> duh!! it's super hyped!
[12:49] <Jucato> both by developers and very imaginative/anxious/clueless users/media :)
[12:49] <kwwii_> the biggest hype of all is the release date
[12:49] <Jucato> lol
[12:49] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[12:49] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[12:50] <Jucato> I see in the core-devel mailing list that we might have delays anyway...
[12:50] <mhb> well, they just get the release names wrong. KDE beta is what we alpha and so on :o)
[12:51] <Jucato> at least I will get the chance to tell those people demanding we delay Gutsy for KDE 4.0, "I told you so!"
[12:51] <kwwii> this whole release date thing is almost embarrasing
[12:52] <Jucato> wouldn't it be more difficult to announce a delay right now than make up excuses later on?? Technical Platform Release wth? :)
[12:52] <mhb> kwwii: well at least they release the Oxygen icons for us folks to use :o)
[12:53] <kwwii> I think that they should just get off their butts and finish the release on time ;-)
[12:53] <Jucato> hehe maybe that's hardly possible at this point :)
[12:53] <kwwii> mhb: actually oxygen is probably the biggest feature of the first release
[12:53] <Jucato> yay hehe
[12:54] <Jucato> how's the windeco doing?
[12:55] <kwwii> that and the style are coming right along
[12:55] <Jucato> great! glad to hear that :)
[12:55] <kwwii> I am sure that by october it will be ready for everyone to complain about :p
[12:55] <Jucato> I was a bit worried when I read that the original developer of the style walked out :(
[12:56] <kwwii> actually that was probably for the better
[12:56] <Jucato> bah, there are always more whiners/complainers when artwork/taste is involved
[12:56] <kwwii> and whether it was a walk or a push can be argued
[12:56] <Jucato> lol
[12:56] <Jucato> let's just presume it's a walk for the sake of world peace :)
[12:56] <kwwii> yepp, everyone and their brother have opinions about artwork
[12:57] <Jucato> hm...speaking of artwork..
[12:57] <kwwii> if I complain about code or functionality we have to listen to the geeks in the end but artwork - oh no, everyone has a say in that
[12:58] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:58] <Jucato> btw, I just can't help but feel that the wallpaper for gutsy looks oddly familiar
[12:58] <Jucato> it's great either way :)
[12:59] <kwwii> Jucato: hrm? similar to what? I honestly did not try and copy anything
[01:00] <Jucato> not accusing you of copying of course :)
[01:00] <Jucato> dunno... just that feeling... but can't put my finger on it actually
[01:00] <kwwii> hehe, it is probably just too good :p
[01:00] <Jucato> it's always good :)
[01:00] <Jucato> of course the color scheme still is a mix of blue and purple :P
[01:01] <Jucato> and I had a usplash problem. just installed gutsy a few hours ago. but later on that
[01:01] <Jucato> dinner time!! :)
[01:01] <kwwii> bon appetit
[01:01] <kwwii> Riddell: I just commited an updated colour-scheme
[01:01] <Jucato> um before I go, where's the config file for usplash? I think I saw something saying that there's no usplash for 800x600?
[01:02] <Jucato> basically I don't have a usplash when I boot
[01:03] <kwwii> Jucato: I think that the issue was with 640x480 but the artwork is there as is a config
[01:03] <kwwii> so it is more a technical problem than an artwork problem
[01:04] <Riddell> yes, it's a technical problem
[01:04] <Jucato> ah I guessed so
[01:04] <Riddell> but ubuntu usplash is also a bit wonky so I'm not sure the best way to fix
[01:05] <kwwii> Riddell: the problem is not only in kubuntu I assume?
[01:06] <kwwii> Keybuck should be the one to fix it I guess
[01:06] <manchicken> (and some land, too)
[01:06] <Jucato> kwwii: lol now I think I know where I *think* saw the wallpaper :)
[01:06] <kwwii> manchicken: wouldn't that be a big chicken coop
[01:06] <Riddell> kwwii: I think the 640x800 issue is kubuntu only, but ubuntu's usplash has a progress bar which is off centre
[01:06] <Riddell> although I guess it's always better to have the same bug as ubuntu
[01:06] <Riddell> manchicken: congratulations
[01:07] <manchicken> kwwii: But of course.  Gotta have somewhere to raise my little hatchling.
[01:07] <Jucato> congratulations manchicken
[01:07] <manchicken> It's kinda intimidating to look on my bank's website and see a six-digit number staring me in the face.
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: freaky - they should really be the same as the config files are the same
[01:07] <manchicken> Gosh, that's scary.
[01:07] <manchicken> I'm hoping these updates will fix the horribly broken networkmanager I've currently got.
[01:08] <manchicken> Lots of updates, so I remain hopeful.
[01:08] <Jucato> kwwii: it reminded me of opensuse 10.2 kdm, or rather a magnified cross-section of it http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5687/17br7.gif
[01:08] <manchicken> I think my kmail crashes were config issues.
[01:09] <Jucato> manchicken: where you the one who added the Edit Software Source button in Adept Installer?
[01:10] <manchicken> That'd be Riddell
[01:10] <kwwii> Jucato: not that close really, but I get your point
[01:10] <Jucato> oooh. I guess it would be either of you.
[01:10] <manchicken> Ooh, koffice updates.  I like my koffice.
[01:10] <kwwii> luckily I never saw 10.2
[01:10] <kwwii> 10.1 was the last one I did
[01:10] <Jucato> kwwii: yeah now that I look closely it's not really that similar. I just had that "feeling"
[01:10] <manchicken> kwwii: I stopped at 10.1... where ZMD would automatically update hardware drivers and kill your machine :)
[01:11] <manchicken> ZMD was such a great idea, with such a crappy implementation.
[01:11] <manchicken> Riddell: I've been talking with Tom from System76, btw.
[01:11] <manchicken> Riddell: He's going to give me a list of issues that are holding System76 back from offering Kubuntu OEM :)
[01:12] <manchicken> Wouldn't it be nice to have a Kubuntu OEM?
[01:12] <manchicken> I'd dig it.
[01:12] <Riddell> manchicken: that would be interesting
[01:12] <manchicken> Riddell: As soon as I get them I'll pass them along to you.
[01:12] <manchicken> I'm not gonna check my mail right now though, because I'm on hawked wifi right now.
[01:13] <manchicken> We're in the old rental house right now, but all of my networking equipment is packed.
[01:13] <manchicken> My neighbor was nice enough to leave his wireless router unencrypted :)
[01:15] <kwwii> Riddell: btw, did you read my comment about the updated colour-scheme in bzr?
[01:16] <manchicken> Rebooting...
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, I'll take a look in a bit
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: don't suppose you found where the kdm colour scheme is kept?
[01:19] <kwwii> Riddell: nope, the only kcsrc I can find in k-d-s is the one I just changed
[01:19] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, do not update that file yet, I forgot to change the name in the file itself
[01:19] <Riddell> kwwii: actually that kcsrc isn't used (unless you are changing your colour scheme back to kubuntu manually), the colours are in kdeglobals
[01:19] <Riddell> but I'll sort that
[01:20] <Riddell> kwwii: what needs changed in the file name?
[01:20] <kwwii> cool, I learn something new every day
[01:20] <kwwii> there is a Name= in the kcsrc file itself
[01:20] <kwwii> I just updated it, should I commit?
[01:21] <manchicken> Hmm...  I've got some weird dbus issue that seems to be breaking networkmanager.
[01:21] <manchicken> Aug 30 06:20:04 thepea dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[01:21] <manchicken> I got a bit of that.
[01:22] <Riddell> kwwii: sure
[01:24] <kwwii> Riddell: commited
[01:25] <Riddell> thanks, I'll take a look once I'm done compiling gtk
[01:25] <manchicken> I think I'm experiencing Bug 93360
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93360 in dhcdbd "Dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93360
[01:29] <manchicken> Lots of stupid comments on that bug...
[01:33] <manchicken> "Canonical should do something about this, if only to remove the trademark infraction. I do not believe that Red Hat would agree to have its name showing up under Ubuntu."
[01:33] <manchicken> heh
[01:33] <manchicken> That's funny.
[01:33] <manchicken> Very strange.
[01:36] <Riddell> that's hardly a case of trading with the name
[01:36] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:37] <manchicken> If redhat folks didn't want their name there, they didn't have to name their dbus namespace as such :)
[01:37] <manchicken> Either way, it's a ridiculous argument.  heh
[01:37] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm more concerned about the bug.
[01:37] <manchicken> This is preventing networkmanager from obtaining an IP address via dhcp.
[01:38] <manchicken> I don't know if it's happening for everybody though.
[01:38] <manchicken> I imagine if it were, it would have been sorted out by now.
[01:38] <manchicken> This one is five months old.
[01:39] <Riddell> I've not had that problem
[01:41] <manchicken> I'm guessing this error handler is actually just an error about another error not being reported properly.
[01:43] <manchicken> I don't know how to get to NetworkManager's errors.
[01:43] <manchicken> This is interesting: Aug 30 06:43:25 thepea NetworkManager: <info>  nm_policy_device_change_check:: !old_dev && !new_dev!!
[01:44] <manchicken> Looks like someone's debug code.
[01:44] <manchicken> Don't know whose though.
[01:44] <manchicken> Do you know who's maintaining networkmanager?
[01:54] <nixternal> manchicken: I get that dbus error as well
[01:55] <manchicken> nixternal: Look at my comment on that bug
[02:24] <Riddell> kwwii: I checked and kdm uses the same kdeglobals as the rest of KDE for its select colour
[02:25] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, so the default settings will be applied
[02:26] <Riddell> yep
[02:27] <kwwii> this update should fix the problems then
[02:31] <Riddell> yes, this is more blue
[02:43] <blekos> hi, in the ubuntu page mentions "Graphical configuration tool for X"
[02:44] <blekos> will this be available in kubuntu?
[02:44] <blekos> (i want to be able to have outpout to my TV)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> sure it's available, but it's probably not written in QT
[02:48] <Riddell> displayconfig has been available for several releases
[02:49] <Riddell> the new gnome version displayconfig-gtk could also be used
[02:56] <glatzor> Riddell: by the way is there a plan to add the bulletproof x using kde-guidance to kubutnu?
[02:59] <Riddell> glatzor: I don't now if we can, it relies on a restart hook in gdm that kdm doesn't have
[03:01] <Riddell> allee: do you know what's happening with kdebluetooth?  we still have the "unstable to start" error on login
[03:03] <Riddell> nixternal: I fixed casper and we now have "About Kubuntu" on the desktop
[03:03] <Riddell> which I think works well
[03:03] <Riddell> nixternal: however khelpcentre seems to have all its entried duplicated, any idea why?
[03:05] <Jucato> nixternal: I love this new look! :)
[03:10] <blekos> how cani upgrade to guttsy from terminal?
[03:11] <Riddell> blekos: follow the instructions for server upgrade
[03:11] <blekos> which are found??
[03:12] <Riddell> dunno, ask a server person
[03:23] <allee> Riddell: I've seen nothing when I loged in.   But there a bg on bt device removal.  blueplugd   first element of quitprogs[0]  should be kblueooth not kdeblueoothd.
[03:23] <allee> Riddell: I'll test again a fresh user.  brb
[03:23] <Riddell> allee: if you have bluetooth hardware then you won't get the "can't load bluetooth" error
[03:28] <nixternal> Riddell: where are the enteries duplicated? I don't see it...groovy on getting casper patched so it is on the desktop now :)
[03:28] <nixternal> Jucato: thanks
[03:29] <allee> Riddell:  can't confirm.  Everyhing fine (with my dev removal fix)
[03:29] <Riddell> nixternal: in the left hand tree view in khelpcentre on the live CD
[03:29] <Jucato> now to browse through *all* of it :)
[03:29] <allee> Riddell: grep kbluetooth /usr/share/autostart/*
[03:29] <nixternal> Riddell: I will have to grab a livecd image in a bit and check it out
[03:29] <allee> Riddell: does it find an Exec= line?
[03:29] <nixternal> don't know why it would do that on the live cd and not on an installed system
[03:29] <gnomefreak> when in dpatch-edit shell i cd to the file that the patch will be applied to and edit the file as needed right?
[03:30] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Yes.
[03:30] <gnomefreak> k ty
[03:31] <ScottK> Then when you are done, exit with a 0 exit code (just exit) and the patch will be saved.  Exit with a non-zero exit code and nothing gets saved.
[03:32] <Riddell> grep kdebluetooth /usr/share/autostart/*
[03:32] <Riddell> /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop:Icon=kdebluetooth
[03:32] <Riddell> allee: that's all
[03:32] <gnomefreak> ScottK: ok cool
[03:32] <Riddell> Exec=kbluetooth --dontforceshow
[03:33] <Riddell> allee: I presume it just needs an upload from tonio with your fancy Exec line
[03:36] <allee> Riddell: mhmm, after you pinged me I dist-upgraded and got a new kbt pkgs.  In this pkgs there's no kbluetooth.autostart.desktop.  Was replaced by kblueplugd.desktop in the autstart dir
[03:37] <allee> Riddell: fwiw just replacing Exec is not enough.  There this dcop uniq thing in there that needs to be removed too.  Because kblueplugd script does not work like a uniq app
[03:38] <allee> Riddell: I'll send an e-mail to tonio about the dev-removal fix
[03:38] <Riddell> "4 hours ago   1.0~beta6~r706303-0ubuntu1"  so maybe it's already sorted
[03:43] <Riddell> allee: new package has http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kblueplugd.desktop
[03:47] <allee> Riddell: yeap, this correctly autostarts if bt device a there.
[03:47] <Riddell> allee: great, problem solved
[03:49] <allee> Riddell: found 2-3 other little buglets.  I'm fixing them and sent a patch.   Btw. is correcting bugus changelog entries considered okay?
[03:54] <Riddell> allee: fine with me, although might be good to mention it in the top changelog entry if it's more than a typo
[03:58] <allee> k
[04:00] <aplg|mobile> Riddell: how long does it usually take until one gets his @ubuntu address?
[04:00] <Riddell> aplg|mobile: dunno, ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: shall we organise a meeting for next week?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as for when, it'll have to be decided after i find out which uni timetable of mine is actually correc.t
[04:22] <Hobbsee> iirc, i want it on your tuesday evening
[04:22] <Riddell> ok
[04:23] <Hobbsee> but corey* wants to be there, and he's only there while i'm asleep, effectively
[04:23] <Hobbsee> obviously, as he's going for membership
[04:23] <Hobbsee> so i havent really thought about that one yet.
[04:23] <Riddell> he's low priority in that his process is being done by e-mail because he's hard to schedule in
[04:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I talked to him a few days ago. he mentioned that he was given a special exception that we could vote in e-mail
[04:23] <Riddell> we'll vote at the meeting, but the discussion is by e-mail
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, true
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not doing well this week.  someone stole my tuesday.
[04:26] <Riddell> did you look behind the fridge?  if you lose something it's nearly always there
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, i didnt find my brain, nor my tuesday, behind the fridge.  not behind the couch, either :(
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya
[04:47] <Jucato> hm.. just noticed there isn't a Kubuntu Restricted extras in Adept Installer (Add/Remove Programs), only an Ubuntu restricted extras
[04:54] <Riddell> Jucato: please ping mvo about that
[04:54] <Jucato> ok. thanks
[04:56] <allee> Riddell or others with core upload right: upload: care to upload kbt  http://paste.debian.net/35803  or should I sent to Tonio?
[04:56] <Riddell> allee: I can do it
[04:56] <allee> Riddell: thx!
[04:57] <Riddell> how can I get that out of the pastebin in plain text?
[04:59] <ScottK> Riddell: scroll down to the bottem where you have an edit box and copy/paste what's in there.
[04:59] <allee> Interesting question :)  Sent by e-mail to you
[05:00] <allee> ScottK: that usually converts tabs -> space.  And Tonio converted my spaces to tabs in kblueplugd.  Python bah! :)
[05:03] <ScottK> Ah.
[05:03] <ScottK> Tab spacing code has nothing to do with Python.  It's just (IMO) a bad idea generally.
[05:05] <Riddell> allee: uploaded
[05:05] <allee> Riddell: thx!
[06:24] <nixternal> is there a way to use a previous version of KDEPIM? Enterprise is killing some of us and I have just been asked if we can revert to a non-enterprise release and not have it always wanting to update?
[06:25] <nixternal> in the past, I have done the obvious, but it eventually would break with the other kde* updates
[06:25] <Riddell> you can pin to an older version I guess
[06:25] <DaSkreech> In adept?
[06:25] <nixternal> ya, that only works until an update breaks it...
[06:26] <nixternal> though I would rather have it not start up, than to start up and delete all of my emails again
[06:27] <Riddell> you can't pin in adept no
[06:27] <nixternal> hrmm, I really don't want to go back to Mutt :)
[06:28] <nixternal> although, with Mutt, I can run it from my server and just ssh from any puter to check it :)
[06:58] <mluser> Is anyone having any problems with the latest Gutsy kubuntu usplash update?
[06:58] <Riddell> mluser: do tell
[06:58] <mluser> well.. its not working I dont get the graphical boot screen at all, just reverts to text boot
[06:58] <Riddell> mluser: what resolution monitor do you have?
[06:58] <mluser> 1400x1050
[06:58] <mluser> I checked the usplash.conf file and its set correctly
[06:58] <mluser> I'll try 'update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so' and then update the initramfs and see if that helps
[06:58] <Riddell> mluser: removing kubuntu-artwork-usplash would be useful
[06:58] <Riddell> should do much the same thing
[06:58] <mluser> Riddell: you mean use the ubuntu artwork instead?
[06:58] <Riddell> yes
[06:58] <Riddell> and let me know if it's equally broken
[06:58] <mluser> ok, will be back shortly
[06:58] <Riddell> you can run sudo usplash from a linux console
[06:58] <mluser> Oh.. thats even better.. one sec
[07:00] (mluser/#kubuntu-devel) interesting.. the kubuntu splash screen failed with a message that says "no usable theme found for 1280x1024"
[07:00] <Jucato> ditto
[07:01] <Jucato> and no matter what resolution you put in usplash.conf it doesn't work..
[07:01] <mluser> Jucato: I have not tried changing the resolution in usplash.conf, my laptop lcd looks best at 1400x1050
[07:02] <Jucato> my default usplash.conf had blank xres and yres, and I got the error message for 640x480 (presuming it's the default res)
[07:02] <Jucato> tried to change it to 1024x768 and 1280x1024, no dice
[07:03] <mluser> I will try that now, but if it does work with 1280x1024 isnt that still a bug in the kubuntu-usplash setup?
[07:07] <mluser> Nope.. wont work with either 1024x768 or 1280x1024, although it properly tells me that it cant find a theme for either 1024x768 or 1280x1024, but with 1400x1050 its still looking for 1280x1024
[07:08] <mluser> I'll change it to using the ubuntu usplash untill the kutuntu package gets fixed/updated
[07:13] <mluser> well if you guys are interested just type this 'sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u', select the ubuntu usplash theme and all will be fine again.
[07:17] <mhb> hi kde-devel, how is KDE4? :o)
[07:18] <ScottK> mhb: Wrong channel?
[07:18] <mhb> ScottK: well, ask the kde-devel user ... I just presume he's running KDE4
[07:19] <kde-devel> doh
[07:19] <ScottK> Ah
[07:19] <mhb> ScottK: otherwise I feel pretty comfortable here :o)
[07:19] <jjesse> its me trying to setup kde4
[07:19] <jjesse> still checking things out of svn over slow hotel wireless
[07:19] <mhb> ScottK: you are right
[07:19] <mhb> there is
[07:19] <ScottK> And there is.
[07:20] <mhb> hi jjesse, how's KDE4? :o)
[07:21] <mhb> jjesse: actually you don't have to set up separate users to hack KDE4
[07:21] <mhb> jjesse: the techbase manuals are a little confusing (and you might know this already)
[07:22] <jjesse> mhb: i do know that already
[07:22] <mhb> :o)
[07:22] <jjesse> but nixternal is suckering me into working on docs for kde4
[07:22] <jjesse> so i'm working on getting it settup
[07:25] <mhb> jjesse: right-o
[07:26] <mhb> jjesse: I don't know anything about the way you compile KDE4 now but if you get errors about "strigiconfig.h" missing, you should edit the corresponding source and change the include path from local to global
[07:27] <mhb> jjesse: which is what I had to do with today's checkout to get it working. If you do it differently, just ignore me :o)
[07:30] <jjesse> mhb: hopefully my svn checkout will finish quickly
[07:30] <jjesse> the hotel's wireless is pretty slow
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Beta 2 was flagged right?
[07:33] <mhb> DaSkreech: no, it was tagged :o)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Hardy HarHar
[07:33] <mhb> DaSkreech: forgive my good mood
[07:34] <DaSkreech> I'll join you after lunch
[07:46] <Riddell> mluser: you're right, it's broken
[07:53] <snikker> why if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder) start with a comment (#) or a blank line, the templates file in the packaged version (with debuild) start with 2 blank lines? This happen in dapper
[07:56] <Riddell> snikker: I don't understand
[07:56] <Riddell> possibly an example would help
[07:59] <DaSkreech> sabdfl gone back to using ubuntu plain?
[07:59] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:59] <DaSkreech> He was giving reasons that he doesn't use evolution
[07:59] <mluser> Riddell: thanks
[08:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: he's always used ubuntu on his laptop, it's his desktop that has kubuntu
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Ah right I thought it was the other way around
[08:06] <snikker> Riddell: if you have a "debian/template.master" file like the one in the sample here: http://pastebin.com/d46e962ea, after packaging it replace the comment block, with a blank line
[08:07] <Riddell> snikker: dunno, maybe that's just how debconf does it's thing (or possibly debhelper does the install), you'd need to ask someone with more experience of debconf
[08:09] <snikker> Riddell: oh, ok... this could be a right chan for this, or i must ask in another chan?
[08:11] <Riddell> snikker: #ubuntu-motu or failing that play with the big boys in #ubuntu-devel
[08:12] <ScottK> He already asked in #ubuntu-devel and got no answer.  He's shopping now.
[08:12] <Riddell> does it matter?  it's only spaces
[08:13] <Riddell> tsk, sarcasm from #u-d
[08:14] <snikker> Yes, i've alread asked in #ubuntu-devel ut with no answer... i'll try in #ubuntu-motu later...
[08:16] <snikker> Riddell: now i must go... btw thanks for your help and for your work in kubuntu :)
[08:17] <Lure_> Riddell: is it just me, or is new kdepim very unstable (crashes, random failures of pop...)?
[08:17] <milian> how do I remove the new "favorite folder" feature from kmail?
[08:17] <milian> I don't like it but cant find any option to hide it
[08:17] <Riddell> Lure_: it seems not be to just you
[08:17] <Riddell> Lure_: but the maintainers are responsive, please do report bugs to them (till and pradeepto on #kontact)
[08:18] <Riddell> I guess I should revert it, although I hate to think what will happen with the version number
[08:18] <Lure_> Riddell: ok, I plan to first re-install clean gutsy today (last tribe + updates) as I want to be sure it is not my gutsy install that is bad
[08:19] <Lure_> Riddell: I suppose kde4.0 beta2 is around the corner?
[08:19] <Riddell> Lure_: hopefully yes
[08:20] <Lure_> Riddell: great, I have finally some time now to restart my hacking times (after vacation and all the business trips)
[08:23] <Riddell> ooh
[08:23] <Riddell> Lure_: anything you're itching to work on?
[08:23] <Riddell> mluser: about?
[08:23] <Riddell> mluser: could you try http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-artwork-usplash_7.10-19_i386.deb
[08:29] <mhb> Riddell: are you working on packaging beta2? Or is it again stuck on the buildd?
[08:29] <Riddell> there have only been tarballs available for a few hours
[08:29] <jjesse> grin i've only been downloading from svn for the last few hours as well
[08:30] <Riddell> mhb: I was planning on starting tomorrow, although if someone wants to start tonight I can get you the tar files
[08:31] <mhb> Riddell: I'm not the mighty packager, so I guess I leave it to you
[08:32] <mhb> :o)
[08:32] <Riddell> anyony else want to try that .deb?
[08:33] <mluser> Riddell: Yes.. I'll try it now.. one second please
[08:36] <mluser> Riddell: It work now with that new package, thanks :)
[08:38] <ryanakca> allee: ping, I figured out a way around giving users a shell, just so they can change their password... it's based on irssh, which restricts access to an irssi screen... http://pastebin.ca/676038
[08:39] <Riddell> mluser: great
[08:39] <Lure_> Riddell: help on digikam for kde4 port
[08:39] <mluser> I have not tested with any other resolutions besides 1400x1050 though
[08:39] <Lure_> Riddell: if you have something to look in gutsy, I could also look into that
[08:40] <Lure_> Riddell: and I may look into powermgmt work for kde4 (have seen emails from sebas)
[08:41] <allee> ryanakca: cool!
[08:43] <Riddell> Lure_: main coding work I'd like to see if strigi becoming a systray applet
[08:44] <Lure_> Riddell: but not for gutsy (since we are in feature freeze), right?
[08:44] <Riddell> for gutsy
[08:44] <Riddell> it's not really a feature, just a jiggling of the existing applet
[08:45] <Lure_> Riddell: I am not sure how tray will be done in kde4 though (I suspect still based on Qt tray)
[08:45] <Riddell> it's for kde 3
[08:45] <Riddell> current applet is a kicker applet, but that takes up too much space
[08:45] <Lure_> Riddell: yep, Qt4 under kde3
[08:45] <Riddell> it should be a systray icon that pops up the text field
[08:45] <Lure_> Riddell: so you would just have an icon?
[08:45] <Riddell> Lure_: the applet is kde 3 code
[08:46] <Riddell> (you could start on in qt 4 but as you say that would be a new feature)
[08:46] <Lure_> Riddell: right...
[08:52] <Lure_> Riddell: so what would you change exactly for kde3/gutsy? Just replace input field with icon only (or make old behaviour optional)
[08:52] <mhb> yay for Lure_ back! :o)
[08:52] <Lure_> mhb: hello!
[08:52] <Riddell> Lure_: change the kicker applet which has a text field, to be a systray application with the text field as popup widget
[08:52] <Lure_> mhb: and yay for all mhb's goodies in gutsy! ;-)
[08:52] <sahin_w> Kmail from the enterprise branch messed up my IMAP account.
[08:52] <Lure_> Riddell: but we may want to keep old behaviour (optional) as some people might be fine to give some tray space to remove need for another click
[08:52] <sahin_w> I don't like this enterprise branch.
[08:52] <mluser> anyone here have a repository for adding freenx to Gutsy?
[08:52] <sahin_w> Kmail simply mark all of my mails as unreaded.
[08:52] <sahin_w> Fine.
[08:53] <nixternal> hehe, the Enterprise branch is creating all kinds of goodies
[08:53] <sahin_w> Now I'dont know what is unreaded really.
[08:53] <Riddell> Lure_: can do, if it's easy to do
[08:54] <sahin_w> I cry for the old good kmail.
[08:54] <Riddell> sahin_w: that sounds like a bug that was reported this morning
[08:54] <Riddell> sahin_w: but please complain to till and pradeepto in #kontact and let me know what they say
[08:54] <Lure_> Riddell: ok, will look into this over weekend
[08:54] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Like?
[08:54] <fdoving> so.. suddenly gutsy killed my sound. intel-thing. fun.
[08:55] <Riddell> nixternal: you deleted the Tribe 6 page?
[08:55] <Riddell> Lure_: you rock
[08:55] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok, I will... But first... time smoke.
[08:59] <Lure_> Riddell: I will rock if I can really do it (as I am no Qt expert) ;-)
[09:06] <Riddell> Lure_: I don't think it would be that hard, just change from a kicker applet to a ksystrayicon
[09:06] <Riddell> all the rest is the same
[09:08] <nixternal> Riddell: yes I did!
[09:08] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe6/Kubuntu
[09:08] <Lure_> Riddell: I think so...
[09:09] <nixternal> Riddell: that's right, I decided on a little jumpstart this time...no more procrastination!!
[09:09] <sahin_w> Riddell: I saw the conversion on #kontact.
[09:09] <sahin_w> Riddell: Is this a good idea to provide a kontakt snapshot to the end users?
[09:10] <nixternal> sahin_w: did you have the same issue with IMAP that there is for POP3? ie. when you manually check email it is sent to the trash folder and marked as spam since it has been stripped of everything?
[09:11] <jjesse> nixternal: still chekcing out qt-copy :(
[09:11] <nixternal> haha :)
[09:11] <sahin_w> nixternal: Nope. I just configured kmail for IMAP, and I did a manual check.
[09:11] <nixternal> what issue are you having with enterprise then?
[09:12] <sahin_w> nixternal: kmail started to refresh the "mail view"
[09:12] <sahin_w> nixternal: and simply marks evry mail as an unreaded one.
[09:12] <nixternal> hrmm...I haven't seen that one yet
[09:13] <nixternal> but right now I have to open kontact/kmail, check email, then close kontact/kmail
[09:13] <sahin_w> nixternal: So kmail did not eat my mails, just marked as unreaded.
[09:13] <mhb> jjesse: if you used Gutsy ... :o)
[09:13] <nixternal> hehe so true mhb...definitely saves you time
[09:13] <nixternal> or if you used Debian Testing
[09:13] <sahin_w> nixternal: on the #kontakt channel the developres told me, this is a known problem.
[09:13] <nixternal> ahh, must be IMAP only then
[09:14] <sahin_w> nixternal: yes, this is imap only
[09:15] <sahin_w> nixternal: some kind of flag handling problem.
[09:16] <sahin_w> Ahhhh! I'm lucky by the way!
[09:16] <sahin_w> I didn't close my oter offline imap client at home.
[09:17] <sahin_w> So now I know which mail is realy unreaded.
[09:17] <sahin_w> It's time for lottery. ;-)
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Beta2 will be gutsy only?
[09:19] <mhb> DaSkreech: I guess it won't
[09:19] <mhb> DaSkreech: but you know how much time it takes to build the packages
[09:20] <mhb> aww, I won't get KDE4 Desktop Effects on the best open-source graphic card driver in town :(
[09:20] <DaSkreech> intel?
[09:21] <nixternal> Riddell: if you want/need help with the KDE 4 Beta 2 packages, let me know
[09:21] <mhb> DaSkreech: yup
[09:21] <mhb> DaSkreech: screen turns white and you have to close the session
[09:21] <mhb> white screen of death, you might say
[09:22] <sahin_w> mhb: I have ATI card in my notebook. So I think I won't see the effects on too. :-(
[09:23] <mhb> sahin_w: on the contrary, I think you might be
[09:23] <sahin_w> mhb: I have to use the fglrx driver.
[09:23] <sahin_w> mhb: Without fglrx I can't use my card.
[09:24] <DaSkreech> mhb: not by the criteria you set
[09:24] <sahin_w> mhb: I think fglrx driver and the KDE4 effects won't be good friends soon.
[09:25] <sahin_w> mhb: However I have nvidia card in my home pc. So I will try the effects on that machine.
[09:26] <mhb> sahin_w: yeah
[09:26] <mhb> they still have a year to work on it (nudge nudge wink wink) .o)
[09:28] <nixternal> anything !nvidia == horrid with KDE 4 composite effects
[09:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: isn't anything !nvidia usually horrid with any composite effect?
[09:33] <nixternal> anything !intel is horrid binary hell! :)
[09:33] <ryanakca> hehe
[09:36] <sahin_w> Is the KDE4 effect relay on composite? Right?
[09:37] <sahin_w> So Is this effect using composite?
[09:37] <sahin_w> If yes, the same true for compiz fusion too. I think.
[09:38] <mhb> sahin_w: yes, it is
[09:38] <mhb> nixternal: yes, but not even intel works well on "kwin composite" (or how do you call it)
[09:39] <nixternal> you got it right I think
[09:39] <nixternal> it works here fine for me with kwin composite in kde3
[09:39] <nixternal> a little slowness, but not horribly bad like compiz or such
[09:40] <sahin_w> nixternal: Are you have any problem with composite and kde3?
[09:40] <mhb> nixternal: I managed to enable the effects and actually see them (the first crash was related to a second X session having no direct rendering)
[09:40] <sahin_w> nixternal: I'm wondering because I switched on my home pc once...
[09:40] <nixternal> I didn't when I tried it...I don't use any of the composite stuff anyways..it messes with all of my key-combos and really isn't efficient or practical
[09:40] <mhb> nixternal: but the window gets focus in like 15s, which is not really desirable
[09:41] <nixternal> haha, ya, I had that same issue with the KDE 4 compositing...and it was another 15s just to click the checkbox to shut it off
[09:41] <mhb> nixternal: it took me a minute to wait until it really checks off the checkbox :o)
[09:41] <sahin_w> nixternal: ... and there was some issues. So I switched of. I'm talking about the kde3 built in effects.
[09:41] <nixternal> there are a lot of bugs with the kwin compositing in kde3
[09:42] <sahin_w> nixternal: Yes, so I don't use it.
[09:42] <nixternal> I don't need shadows and all of that...doesn't do anything for me really...and those few extra cycles can be used for pbuilder or gcc
[09:42] <sahin_w> However compiz and KDE4 effects have some good features.
[09:43] <sahin_w> I really like when the put the pointer to the right upper corner and I can see all of my windows.
[09:43] <sahin_w> I can select what I wan't.
[09:44] <nixternal> that is one feature I do like..the scaling...
[09:44] <sahin_w> And I like the alt+tab handling too.
[09:45] <sahin_w> The cube effect in compiz not so amazig for me for example. But really amazed my 2.5 years old sun. ;-)
[09:46] <nixternal> hehe
[09:46] <sahin_w> "Please dady, the box again"
[09:47] <nixternal> haha
[09:48] <DaSkreech> sahin_w: Show him the pyramid :)
[09:49] <Riddell> nixternal: why did you delete the tribe 6 page?
[09:49] <sahin_w> Yes, and I won't work on my computer anymore. ;-) He would like to see the effects over and over again.
[09:49] <nixternal> Riddell: take a look at the tribe 6 page :)
[09:50] <Riddell> nixternal: ooh, groovy
[09:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:51] <DaSkreech> wiki.kubuntu !
[09:53] <Riddell> nixternal: if you want to start on kde 4 tonight I can give you access to them
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Sweet Go Mandriva :)
[09:54] <nixternal> Riddell: that works for me
[09:54] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I guess the purple scheme won't be installable Gutsy?
[09:56] <sahin_w> I fixed my IMAP folders after the "gutsy kmail crime".
[09:57] <sahin_w> I won't use the enterprise branch till the package which contains the fix won't be uploaded.
[09:57] <Riddell> parse error
[09:58] <kwwii> DaSkreech: nope, guess not unless you take it from some feisty repo
[09:58] <DaSkreech> I liked the purple :*(
[09:59] <nixternal> haha
[09:59] <nixternal> come on man, kde is all about that blooooo
[09:59] <nixternal> you can always switch to brown
[10:00] <nixternal> as long as it is not "hardy" har har
[10:00] <nixternal> Riddell: when it comes to K, they better let us pick for once
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah my friends are calling it hard-on for short
[10:02] <mhb> nixternal: oliver was, is and always will be rock-solid :o)
[10:02] <nixternal> DaSkreech: your friends aren't the only one
[10:03] <nixternal> I have heard the ear full at the uni these past couple of days
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Like what?
[10:05] <mhb> you whippersnappers call it "hard-on" ... nobody appreciates the classic comedy acts anymore :o(
[10:08] <DaSkreech> Laurel?
[10:09] <mhb> DaSkreech: Oliver .o) the rock-solid LTS one
[10:09] <DaSkreech> Ah
[10:09] <nixternal> I am a 33 yo whippersnapper!! yes! \o/
[10:10] <DaSkreech> L ->P ->T ->X ->BB
[10:10] <nixternal> L, P, T, X
[10:10] <nixternal> ya
[10:10] <nixternal> haha, that sucked to count out
[10:11] <nixternal> X will be a fun one
[10:11] <DaSkreech> What adjective is worthy of a LTS X ?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> what X adjective is there? :)
[10:11] <nixternal> who knows...food time..back in a few
[10:17] <ryanakca> Hmm. When you open the new kontact for the first time, you get a blue screen giving you the option to read the handbook, setup for egroupware, and another option. Any way to get back to that screen?
[10:18] <ryanakca> (enterprise edition)
[11:15] <mhb> what's the URL for the daily-live kubuntu cd? I'm trying rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/
[11:15] <mhb> kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:16] <mhb> but it's not the one I guess
[11:23] <ryanakca> mhb: just a sec... I have it somewheres
[11:23] <ryanakca> or maybe not... um
[11:25] <Riddell> mhb: see KubuntuFiles
[11:26] <mhb> thank you very much ,both of you
[11:27] <ryanakca> mhb: rsync -v --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-amd64.iso .
[11:28] <mhb> Riddell: I should have poked about the missing l10n in guidance modules
[11:29] <ryanakca> or the one on KubuntuFiles ... now that I look at it... it's probably better :)
[11:29] <Riddell> mhb: mm, right
[11:29] <Riddell> it's on my todo
[11:31] <mhb> Riddell: splendid, if you need any assistance I can provide, tell me
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: did you want to start on KDE 4 beta 2?
[11:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: you are documenting it?
[12:07] <DaSkreech> nixternal: QUESTION
[12:24] <Lure> Riddell: no failsafe-X in Kubuntu Gutsy, right? http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18534&limit=no&threshold=-1
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> what?
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> no bulletproof x in kubuntu?
[12:33] <mhb> Lure: AFAIK no, because of kdm not supporting it
[12:34] <Lure> mhb: yep, have just re-read the spec... :-(
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> that sucks...
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> what if I switched to gdm?
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> more to the point... what if kubuntu switched to gdm?
[12:35] <mhb> very unlikely to happen
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I know.
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> is kdm being rewritten for KDE4?
[12:35] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I guess if you have displayconfig-gtk AND gdm, it will work
[12:36] <mhb> actually what I'd go for would be showing KDE upstream some love and implementing the same thing in KDM4 (if there is/will be any)
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah... that probably would be better. and I'd try.. but alas, I don't know C++.
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> :(