ymlit is now fetching12:47
ymlso simple 16 caraters  to work around a bug in 13 hours12:48
ymlThank you very much all for your patience and your help12:48
beunoyml: my pleasure, I admire your persistance  :D12:49
ymlYou there is always 2 categories of people:12:49
ymlThe one with talent12:49
ymland the one that persist12:49
ymlObviously I was not in the first category$12:50
beunoyml: hahaha, talent is easier to learn then patience  :p12:50
ymlHow did you find this bug in launchpad 12:50
ymlbecause I try to use the search without a lot of success12:51
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beunoyml: I used google  :D12:51
beunoyml: what version of windows are you running?  I'd like to create a patch for that12:53
ymlbeuno : microsoft XP  Professionnel12:55
ymlversion 200212:55
ymlService Pack 212:55
beunoyml: great, I'll try and see if I can prepare a patch for it12:56
ymlI would be glad to test it12:57
ymlif yo need a tester12:57
beunoyml: would be useful, can you send me an email so I have your address?   beuno@ubuntu.com12:57
ymlbeuno : I have done it thank you01:01
beunoyml: thanks, I'll drop you a line when I cook up something01:02
ymlThank you and good night it 1:00 AM over there01:03
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LaserJockare PPAs working for teams?01:51
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RinchenLaserJock, don't know the answer to that. I know you can enable it but  unfortunately someone like cprov will need to take that02:11
LaserJockright now it's just Beta Testers that can upload right?02:11
Rinchenbelieve so02:12
RinchenI haven't been too involved with PPA02:12
LaserJockI just wondered what happens if you have a team and some people are Beta Testers and some aren't02:12
Rinchenbest to ask crpov in the morning02:12
Rinchenor, of course, email launchpad-users02:13
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tonyyarussohttps://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart lists fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net for the config; is this still correct now that it's out of the beta area?02:24
kiko-afktonyyarusso, nope -- but we haven't updated it yet. we will tomorrow (when matt revell is back)02:30
tonyyarussokiko-afk: so if I use fqdn = upload.launchpad.net it should work?02:31
kiko-afktonyyarusso, yes, but shhh don't tell anyone :)02:33
tonyyarussolol, okay02:34
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LaserJockkiko-afk: heh, it's already on launchpad-users02:34
kiko-afkomg :)02:34
LaserJockwe could blog it for good measure02:35
LaserJockthen what would you do, huh?02:35
LaserJock"ooopss, was that your LP karma?"02:35
kiko-afkai ai, been a while since I've laughed this hard02:37
LaserJock"I'm sorry, we just had a database malfunction, you've just been assigned all Ubuntu bugs"02:37
LaserJock"What? your hackergotchi was replaced by a picture of a pink pony? File a bug and we'll see what we can do" :-)02:38
tonyyarussoAre the rest of the conf fields correct?02:39
LaserJocktonyyarusso: there *is* an email on the launchpad-users list with instructions02:40
tonyyarussoLaserJock: hrm - I may not be on that list yet :S02:40
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tonyyarussoUploading to my-ppa (via ftp to upload.launchpad.net):02:41
tonyyarussoConnection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused')02:41
kiko-afkhave you checked your network?02:42
kiko-afkisn't it ppa.launchpad.net btw?02:43
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tonyyarussoOooh, that could be.02:47
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ubotuNew bug: #135730 in launchpad "Special background for private bug reports etc should be inside tabs" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13573003:15
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effie_jayxquick question.... how does team karma work?03:20
effie_jayxnot general launchpad karma... 03:21
effie_jayxteam karma. I thought I saw it somewhere03:21
beunoeffie_jayx, afaik, it's not implemented yet03:23
effie_jayxcool then03:23
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tonyyarussoBah.  "Rejected - Must be a member of lp-beta-testers for PPA"  I thought it was everyone now, but I guess I'm jumping the gun on that.06:10
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superm1tonyyarusso, hasn't launched yet06:26
superm1they are pretty close, and will announce when its ready06:26
tonyyarussosuperm1: ah, ok.  I must have misheard/read.06:32
superm1tonyyarusso, they were almost ready today, but i believe had to delay a little more06:32
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sander_mHello. My gnome-hearts application is translated through launchpad. I am readying a new, big release and have frozen and uploaded the new .pot files to launchpad. But where can I announce to the launchpad translators that I have done so and ask for their contribution over the next week or two?08:01
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sander_mIs the launchpad-users mailinglist the correct place to announce a string freeze for my project and ask for translations?08:14
sander_mWell... I guess so then.08:20
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elmargolcan someone explain "Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel." to me?08:40
Hobbseeelmargol: if you want it to use universe build-deps, you'll need to set the section as universe/foo08:41
superm1elmargol, luckily since there is an override system in ubuntu, adding the section on the PPA source package and the ubuntu source package won't matter.  the override in ubuntu will take precedence when its uploaded to ubuntu.08:42
Hobbseeelmargol: otherwise it will default ot main, and so will fail to build if any build-deps are in universe08:43
elmargolah ok. Can I sign packages after I build them on PPA?08:43
superm1elmargol, if you mirror to another repository and sign that repository08:44
superm1since ppa doesn't support signing (yet)08:44
superm1elmargol, actually Daviey and I coauthored a script that will apt-mirror, regenerate the release and sign if you're interested in seeing it08:44
elmargolYes I need PPA for a upstream project. ATM i build packages on Virtual machines for every platform :( this sucks08:44
elmargolI need packages for Feisty 32and64 bit and dapper 32and64bit08:45
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superm1elmargol, let me grab you the branch the script is sitting in then08:46
superm1elmargol, https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-weekly-build  There are two scripts in there, you only need one of them, the other is for our submissions to PPA08:46
elmargolI give it a look thx08:47
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superm1mirror_repository.sh, and its in revno 1108:47
elmargolsuperm1: I only have 10 revs08:49
elmargolah ok refresh helps08:49
superm1elmargol, pull an update, the commit was pushed right as i was telling you :)08:49
superm1forgot to push it earlier tonight08:49
ubotuNew bug: #135753 in soyuz "PPA FTBFS when needing earlier build's binaries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13575308:50
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elmargolcan someone please add me to the launchpad-beta-testers team?09:03
Hobbseegood morning carlos 09:03
carloselmargol: you need to talk with mrevell09:04
elmargolcarlos: I write an email09:06
carlosyeah, that should work better09:07
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=== Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad | Current version: 1.1.8 | Next developer meeting: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad |Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
=== Topic (#launchpad): set by kiko-afk at Wed Aug 29 14:48:48 2007
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ubotuNew bug: #135799 in malone "Spelling error in pie chart" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13579912:05
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ubotuNew bug: #135817 in malone "Launchpad should support status imports from the Python bugtracker" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13581702:05
ubotuNew bug: #135821 in launchpad "Let's have a whiteboard or a description for a milestone" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13582102:20
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Odd_BlokeI'm currently trying to push to a branch but it isw locked by 'vostok'.  Is this a lock I shouldn't break?02:44
kikoI think vostok is the mirroring machine02:47
mwhudsonthat's very strange02:50
Odd_BlokeI should note I'm pushing using bzr+ssh rather than sftp...02:50
mwhudsonOdd_Bloke: is it reproducible?02:51
Odd_BlokeIt's happened a couple of times.02:51
Odd_BlokeLock is "held by supermirror@vostok on host vostok [process #6311] "02:52
Odd_BlokeJust happened for a third time.02:52
mwhudsonah hm02:54
mwhudsonit looks a bit like there's a bzr process hanging around that may have the lock02:55
mwhudson(it's not PID 6311 though, dunno where that comes from)02:55
mwhudsonOdd_Bloke: have you had any dropped connections or anything like that lately?02:55
Odd_Blokemwhudson: I did earlier, but I broke that lock once...02:56
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mwhudsonOdd_Bloke: i suggest filing a bug02:58
mwhudsonmaybe jml will have a clue02:58
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Odd_Blokemwhudson: In Launchpad or is there a more appropriate subproject?03:00
kikolaunchpad-bazaar, Odd_Bloke 03:01
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Odd_Blokemwhudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/125420 would appear to be the problem I'm having.03:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125420 in launchpad-bazaar "supermirror tasking locks?" [Undecided,New]  03:07
mwhudsonOdd_Bloke: after you broke the lock once, did it then work?03:10
mwhudsonoften there will be two stale locks (a branch lock and a repository lock)03:10
Odd_Blokemwhudson: See my latest comment.  The lock is taken again immediately I break it.03:12
Odd_BlokeThough I have been breaking it using the bzr+ssh protocol, which could be the problem...03:12
ubotuNew bug: #135829 in launchpad-answers "OOPS creating a faq with a rejected question" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13582903:15
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statikwhats a launchpad?03:33
jtvstatik: you raise a good point.  If there is no cocktail named Launchpad yet, there ought to be one.03:34
kikoI'll raise a cocktail to that03:36
bac_jtv: the cocktail would be served ON FIRE, i assume03:37
statikthat's pretty funny. the US space program has just completed a 4 month investigation into astronauts flying the shuttle while drunk. I bet the local bars here near Kennedy Space center would love the idea :)03:38
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statikhe is here, with the other 7 of us04:00
bigjoolsand me04:00
SteveAGood morning!04:01
SteveAWelcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting04:01
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SteveAFor the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development04:01
SteveAwho is here today?04:01
deadwillstop flooding04:01
SteveAdeadwill: hi.  Welcome to the meeting04:02
Rinchenmrevell, mpt ?04:02
SteveA== Agenda ==04:03
SteveA * Roll call04:03
SteveA * Agenda04:03
SteveA * Next meeting04:03
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:03
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:03
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SteveA * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)04:03
SteveA * Bug tags04:03
SteveA * Operations report (mthaddon)04:03
SteveA * DBA report (stub)04:03
SteveA * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)04:03
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:03
SteveA * Coping with changes to configs - kiko04:03
SteveA * Deadline for moving dbschema code - kiko04:03
SteveA * Staging shared mailbox - matsubara04:03
SteveA * Pre-allhands training - kiko04:03
SteveA * Ubuntu bugwatches are growing old - kiko04:03
SteveA (other items)04:03
SteveA * Blockers04:03
SteveAWe have a long agenda today04:03
SteveAso please help to keep things moving along promptly04:03
SteveANext meeting: same time next week.  Anyone know they won't be here?04:04
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SteveA * Actions from last meetig04:04
SteveA * OOPS report -- matsubara04:05
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 134223, 134301, 135829, 13583804:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134223 in launchpad-bazaar "viewing the index page of a bug you can upload to oopses" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134223 - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson)04:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134301 in rosetta "AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'code'" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134301 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is)04:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135829 in launchpad-answers "OOPS creating a faq with a rejected question" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13582904:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135838 in rosetta "Broken link to import queue in +translations page " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13583804:05
matsubaramwhudson, re: bug 134223. was it not fixed on edge? Today's report shows some04:05
matsubaraOOPSes there.04:05
mwhudsonmatsubara: yes :(04:05
matsubarasinzui: how's bug 134301 fix going?04:05
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statikmatsubara: sinzui is vacationing04:05
ubotuNew bug: #135838 in rosetta "Broken link to import queue in +translations page " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13583804:05
daniloscarlos: were you not on #135838?04:06
carlosdanilos: yes04:06
matsubaraoh sorry. didn't know that. thanks statik 04:06
kikomatsubara, we should wait for sinzui for those I guess. email him please04:06
sinzu2matsubara: I can get it ready in a few days. (this net work blows for doing a preimp)04:06
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carlosalthough didn't work too much on it, I'm giving priority to 'the huge branch (TM)'04:06
daniloscarlos: right, understandable04:06
matsubarasinzu2: thanks for the feedback even being away. :-)04:07
matsubarathank you ddaa 04:07
kikosinzu2, don't worry about it.04:07
carlosmatsubara: I just assigned 135838 to me04:07
sinzu2matsubara: I have me pre-imp scripted out04:07
kikosinzu2, enjoy those vacations -- they go by quickly!04:07
matsubarathank you carlos 04:07
matsubaraSteveA: that's it. back to you. thanks!04:08
SteveAthank you matsubara 04:09
SteveA - Critical bugs, Rinchen 04:09
RinchenHowdy, a few for today.04:09
Rinchen salgado, is bug 127004 critical becuase it needs to be done this cycle or is something currently broken?04:09
ubotuBug 127004 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/127004 is private04:09
Rinchen jamesh, is bug 131043 really critical? We're still waiting on an upstream fix correct?04:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131043 in launchpad "database adapter serialisation tests disabled" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13104304:09
Rinchen barr1, current status on bug 132422 and bug 133630 please?04:09
ubotuBug 132422 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/132422 is private04:09
salgadoRinchen, critical because it needs to go in this cycle04:09
ubotuBug 133630 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/133630 is private04:10
Rinchen Bug 134312 seems to be database related. Should this be assigned to stub? Same question wrt to Bug 135312 although this appears to more complicated.04:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134312 in launchpad "Checkwatches script doesn't use correct DB user" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13431204:10
ubotuBug 135312 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/135312 is private04:10
salgadoRinchen, it's already waiting for review, though04:10
jameshRinchen: SteveA asked me to mark the bug critical when filing it04:10
Rinchensalgado, ok thanks. That helps me know the situation.04:10
jameshso that's what I did04:10
jameshI don't know if it needs to be brought up at each meeting though04:10
Rinchenjamesh, ok, any objections if I drop it from this meeting?04:10
stubRinchen: Anyone can do Bug 13431204:10
RinchenThanks stub04:11
Rinchenso I need a taker for bug 134312 then04:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134312 in launchpad "Checkwatches script doesn't use correct DB user" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13431204:11
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SteveAso, 131043 is about us having tests disabled04:11
Rinchenstub, are you able to do the other one,  134312?04:12
SteveAessentially, we're not testing the DB adapter serialization code04:12
BjornTwhat's the reason for changing the db users as soon as possible? it'd be good to get a bit more notice for issues like this04:12
SteveAwhich means this code is subject to being broken, and we won't realize04:12
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stubRinchen: In fact, better for someone who is familiar with checkwatches as I can only make the tests pass - I won't know of areas without test coverage04:12
kikoBjornT, we moved to a new box 04:12
kikoBjornT, so we're trying to clean things out as we move04:12
stubBjornT: We can work around it if scheduling is a bitch04:12
BjornTkiko: but why does it need to be done ASAP?04:12
SteveAeven so, we can change it to High priority, if it is interfering with this report too much.04:12
Rinchenstatik, please poke barry about his above. :-)04:13
SteveAI would prefer it stay critical though04:13
BjornTstub: some scripts are not trivial to convert, so i'd rather push this off to the next cycle04:13
BjornTwe already have too much to do for 1.1.904:13
stubRinchen: I won't be good for any bugs this cycle with all the leave and the db stuff I need to do04:13
RinchenSteveA, I'm ok to not report on it weekly and leave it critical.04:13
stubBjornT: Sure04:13
kikoBjornT, okay, push them off.04:13
BjornTcool, thanks04:13
SteveARinchen: ok04:14
barr1Rinchen: no change in status04:14
teolemonhi everybody, I was wondering if there were some Rosetta gurus out there04:14
mthaddonso are we planning to still fix this in 1.1.9?04:14
SteveARinchen: I worry that if we mark it high, we're not taking our commitment to having good test coverage seriously04:14
mthaddon(the checkwatches, I mean)04:14
SteveAteolemon: we're in a meeting for the next 30 mins.  Maybe someone like carlos or danilos can help you in a private message04:15
teolemonI'll wait04:15
kikoRinchen, and it will get forgotten :-(04:15
carlosteolemon: thanks04:15
SteveAteolemon: sure, thank you04:15
barr1SteveA: i think we still take it seriously, but i don't think it's critical04:15
RinchenI still need a volunteer for checkwatches04:16
Rinchenpretty please04:16
sinzu2I've generally taken critical as cherrypickable, High as must go out in this release.04:16
mthaddonbarr1,  the reason I marked it critical is that I think it warrants a cherry pick before the next release since we currently have an ugly work around04:16
BjornTRinchen: didn't we agree on pusing it off to 1.1.10?04:16
stubRinchen: We can defer checkwatches too if needed04:16
Rinchenmthaddon, how badly will this interfere with your work if we delay checkwatches and the others?04:17
kikoSteveA, this meeting is moving very slowly.04:17
stubmthaddon: (We just need to allow access to the launchpad user from forster and it will work like it did on gangotri)04:17
barr1critical to me means "drop everything and fix it NOW"04:17
SteveAkiko: you think so?  in general, or just this part about critical bugs?04:17
kikoSteveA, my internet connection hiccupped. sorry. :)04:18
RinchenOk, I'll try to sort the rest of this out today.  SteveA back to you.04:18
mthaddonRinchen, it'll mean continuing to have an ugly hack in place for checkwatches - some of the other ones do need to happen sooner as I need to migrate all scripts of gangotri as part of the app server reconfig project04:18
SteveAthanks Rinchen :-)04:18
SteveA * Bug tags04:18
mthaddonRinchen, can discuss the details with you later04:19
SteveAthere is one new proposal for an official launchpad project bug tag04:19
SteveA - focus04:19
kikofield-focus maybe04:19
SteveA about the focusing of form controls04:19
SteveAI agree with kiko that 'focus' is a very general term04:19
SteveAfor example, the focus of development04:19
kikoform-focus sounds less ambiguous of the options04:19
SteveAthe dutch prog rock band, with their yodelling hit "hocus pocus"04:20
jtvSteveA: you're not thinking of Crocus?04:20
SteveAmpt: what's your opinion?04:20
barr1nope, it's Focus04:20
danilosI think tags are there to help developers... even if they may be confusing to those who are not using them, it's important they are short and understandable to those who are using them04:20
kikodanilos, focus is confusing /to me/04:20
daniloskiko: wouldn't mpt be the one using them most?04:21
SteveAjtv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_%28band%2904:21
SteveAdanilos: the tags are to help both developers, and casual users of Launchpad04:21
kikodanilos, I don't see the connection there. I still need to read the tags in the portlet.04:21
SteveAdanilos: also, tags are more often read than written04:21
SteveAdanilos: also also, there's support in the application to show you what tags exist04:22
danilosSteveA: my only concern is maybe they'd be written more often if they were not as cumbersome to add04:22
jtvThat may be more a UI matter than a naming matter though...04:22
kikowhat jtv said04:23
SteveAdanilos: outside of the meeting, please try adding the tags focus and form-focus to some bugs on staging04:23
kikoour handling of tags is too simplistic04:23
SteveAdanilos: and see how much extra total work it is, and recommend some improvements04:23
SteveAI'm with jtv and kiko04:23
daniloskiko: that's true, but I don't see the connection either... unless you are interested in tracking all your focus bugs yourself... anyway, I'm done with the matter04:23
SteveAmpt: you proposed the tag04:23
SteveAmpt: do you agree with form-focus?04:23
SteveAok, time to move on.  form-focus is approved for the use mpt proposed, provided mpt agrees with it04:24
SteveA * Operations report (mthaddon)04:24
mthaddonNumerous cherry picks have been applied and issues discovered with moving scripts to run from new server which has more restricted DB access04:25
mthaddonRollout procedure is changing - script now includes means of performing commands (e.g. starting services) immediately after pushing out code (tested yesterday successfully)04:25
mthaddonSeems to be an ongoing issues with the branch-puller (per the scriptactivity emails)04:25
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kikomthaddon, beautiful work, thanks.04:25
mthaddonOther than that all other issues have been discussed04:25
SteveAmthaddon: havbe been discussed here today?  or elsewhere?04:26
mthaddonSteveA, discussed here today (the script DB user issues)04:26
SteveAI'm very happy to hear about greater amounts of reliable automation for rollouts04:26
SteveA * DBA report (stub)04:26
SteveA.wub 6104:26
kikowub wub04:27
stubDatabase patches need to be in my queue by Tuesday. I won't be around Monday, so grab me tomorrow if you need me.04:27
stubDB patch review call is scheduled with Mark Wednesday 5th.04:27
stubA call to discuss the code import patch is being scheduled for tomorrow. I may try and discuss other ready patches if Mark has time.04:27
stubtink dat is all04:27
SteveAthanks stub04:28
SteveA * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)04:28
RinchenDoes anyone have any RT requests that need attention? If you are blocked on any, please speak now. 04:28
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SteveAactually, to save time in this meeting, please privmsg Rinchen 04:28
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:29
mrevellRight now, the upstream Amarok team deal with bugs reported against the Ubuntu Amarok package. I'm told that they've expressed frustration at not being able to set importances, see private bugs and set wishlist bugs. These tasks are reserved for the Ubuntu drivers, as it's an Ubuntu package and not the upstream project.04:29
mrevellI'll start a discussion on launchpad-users where I'd value your thoughts on what we can offer upstreams who want to be more involved in managing bugs filed against the Ubuntu package of their software.04:29
mrevellThanks, back to you SteveA.04:29
SteveAok, thanks.  more on launchpad-users04:29
SteveA * Coping with changes to configs - kiko04:29
Hobbseemrevell: kiko was planning to add to that on what launchpad was planning to do about how we send bugs upstream, as well.04:29
mrevellthanks Hobbsee04:30
Hobbseeno problem04:30
kikowe've had a horrible number of problems with config updating this cycle04:30
kikothere are two reasons for this04:30
kikofirst, because our config system is a disaster04:30
kikoin particular the lack of proper inheritance/overriding04:30
kikosecond, because people are not being disciplined about updating our production configs04:30
kikoI would like us to address the latter part of the problem right now04:31
kikoI suspect part of the issue is that few people really understand what configs are used where (I certainly don't)04:31
SteveAhow about a simple diff-based lint script?04:31
SteveAso make lint-configs04:31
kikoand the other part of the issue is that reviewers don't pay attention to config changes04:31
jameshor a test that tries to load each config04:31
barr1kiko: and also, how do you /test/ the other configs?04:31
jamesh(won't catch everything, but will catch the worst problems)04:31
kikoI have no idea. I don't understand how our configs work. I just know that people forget to update them and then we have rollout pains.04:32
SteveAok, I'd like to have a discussion of this on the launchpad mailing list.  kiko, please write the above in a message to the list.04:32
SteveAthen we can get a variety of ideas, and get something done04:32
mthaddonjamesh, like one I discovered last night where we had duplicate ppa entries in edge2 04:32
kikoSteveA, it needs to be done for
kikoanother rollout like this and I'll have a heart attack04:32
kikomove on.04:32
SteveAthanks for raising it here, and mention that on the list04:32
SteveA * Staging shared mailbox - matsubara04:32
matsubaraI'd like to propose that all team leads should have access to the shared staging mailbox. Is there any security concern regarding that?.04:33
SteveAI can't think of one04:33
SteveAif there is none, then the whole launchpad team should have access04:33
matsubaraI can email (encrypted) the password to all team lead, but maybe IS should do that.04:33
jtvWill there be any problem if several of us try to create accounts with that mailbox as its email address?04:33
matsubaraI'm fine with the whole team having access to it.04:34
SteveAif there is no issue, then we can put the password on the internal development wiki04:34
cprovmthaddon: that was probably my fault ... sorry04:34
matsubarajtv: we should use that email address to create accounts04:34
matsubarajtv: it's a catch all account04:34
mthaddoncprov, fixed now04:34
SteveAcan we use mailbox+uniquename as the mail address, if we need that?04:34
matsubaraso any email you use, it'll end up there04:34
SteveAI don't think we'll need it though04:34
matsubaras/should/should not/04:34
stubfoo@example.com ends up there04:34
barr1matsubara: how will we access that?  via imap(s)?04:34
SteveAmatsubara: please mail the list, asking for any security concerns04:34
stub(and any other email address)04:34
matsubarabarr1: yes, imap04:34
SteveAmatsubara: if we get none, and we get "there are no concerns in my subsystem" from team leads04:35
SteveAmatsubara: then we can go ahead04:35
matsubaraSteveA: all right. thanks!04:35
SteveA * Deadline for moving dbschema code - kiko04:35
SteveAmatsubara: you're on the hook for chasing team leads about this, to get an answer04:35
SteveAmatsubara: thanks04:35
kikowe have new dbenum code thanks to thumper 04:36
kikomany developers have moved their code04:36
kikobut many more have not.04:36
kiko1.1.10 is the release where lib.canonical.lp.dbschema will exist04:36
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kikoso make sure you make time for this04:36
SteveAkiko: the last release ?04:36
kikoI will file the individual bugs for each team. get moving!04:36
carloskiko: exist or will be killed?04:36
SteveAthank you kiko04:37
kikobe killed, cease to exist.04:37
SteveA * Pre-allhands training - kiko04:37
kikothis is just an announcement04:37
SteveAkiko: when you've filed bugs, please mail the list too04:37
kikosome people don't read the launchpad list, to which clan sent an announcement04:37
kikospecifying /special/ arrival dates for the launchpad team04:37
SteveAeveryone here should read the launchpad list!04:37
SteveAit's our primary means of coordination other than launchpad itself04:37
kikoyou are meant to arrive on the 31st of october.04:37
kikoif some bozo books his tickets wrong because they did not read the list (and yes, the warthogs announcement is superseded by the launchpad one)04:38
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SteveAif there's a reason you don't read the launchpad list in a timely way, then mail me to tell me why, and I'll look at getting that issue fixed04:38
SteveAnext week, we'll do a poll about whether people have booked travel to these meetings04:38
SteveAACTION for SteveA there.04:39
carlosSteveA, kiko: I'm waiting since Tuesday for Dionne04:39
jtvNote that down: SteveA wants action.04:39
carlosI didn't get any input since my first email04:39
SteveAjtv: actually, I mean, that should go on next week's meeting agenda04:39
Rinchenmine were done within 24 hours04:39
carlosand I think jtv is in the same situation too04:39
SteveAif you have issues arranging travel, talk with your line manager and/or to me04:40
jtvI got an answer from a colleague of hers04:40
SteveAby email04:40
carlosjtv: oh!04:40
SteveA * Ubuntu bugwatches are growing old - kiko04:40
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carlosSteveA: ok04:40
kikoI raised an issue on-list related to the Ubuntu bugwatches04:40
jtvcarlos: I got mine an hour or two ago04:40
kikoand the fact that they are largely useless04:40
carlosjtv: maybe I will get mine later today...04:41
SteveAwhy are they largely useless?04:41
kikoI just wanted to ask jamesh and BjornT together if they feel that the hack in place is more painful than having to cope with redirection through some other means.04:41
kikoSteveA, because the ubuntu bugzilla no longer exists.04:41
SteveAI see04:41
kikoit is just a redirection shim to launchpad. we aren't "watching" anything.04:41
kikojamesh, BjornT: speak now or the hack stays. :)04:41
BjornTkiko: the hack in place is not painful, but i agree that they are useless. my vote would probaly be to keep the watches, though04:42
jameshkiko: other than needing to special case ubuntu-bugs in the checkwatches script, I don't know how much pain it is04:42
kikothat special-casing hasn't caused problems so far, and I doubt it will.04:42
kikookay. thanks for your opinions!04:43
stubHasn't enough time passed that we can break old book marks now? Any old bookmarks would be for retired versions of Ubuntu now anyway, wouldn't they?04:43
kikostub, there's changelog links and URLs.. cjwatson asked they be kept.04:43
BjornTkiko: the main reason being is that there's more work involved in removing the watches than it is to maintain the current hack04:43
kikoBjornT, yeah, I agree04:43
kikoSteveA, move on.04:44
SteveAthanks kiko 04:44
SteveAkiko: did you have any other items?04:44
jameshas I said earlier, we could produce a static rewritemap to keep the links working04:44
jameshnot sure if it is worth it though04:44
jtvGoogleBot might appreciate it04:44
kikoSteveA, not that i recall04:45
SteveA * Blockers -- by new-fangled launchpad team organisation04:45
matsubaraoh today we already start by the new team org04:46
SteveAthis time, I'll ask for temas...04:46
SteveAum teams04:46
SteveALaunchpad translations04:46
SteveAjtv: ?04:46
danilosjtv: you mean 'no'? :)04:47
SteveAjtv: is the Translations team blocked on anything outside of the team?04:47
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jtvNot urgently04:47
SteveAthat's 'no' then04:47
SteveAno grey areas here04:47
SteveAthank you jtv 04:47
SteveALaunchpad bugs04:48
SteveABjornT: ?04:48
BjornTSteveA: not blocked04:48
SteveAthanks BjornT 04:48
SteveAkiko, cprov, bigjools ?04:48
bigjoolsnot blocked04:48
cprovnot blocked04:48
SteveASC: not blocked04:48
SteveAI didn't ask.  My bad.04:49
salgadoSteveA, not blocked04:49
SteveACollaborative commerce:04:49
SteveAstatik: ?04:49
statiknot blocked04:49
Rinchenrelease team: not blocked04:49
SteveAthanks Rinchen 04:50
Rinchenthanks matsubara  :-)04:50
SteveAgah... jetlag04:50
SteveAdid I miss any?04:50
mwhudsonme! me!04:50
ddaaTEAM: Code BLOCKED: code-import db patch review (confcall scheduled)04:50
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SteveAof course!04:50
SteveAI think that's it04:50
SteveAif I've been slack and missed a team, sorry, please speak up now04:51
SteveAthat's all04:51
SteveAthanks everyone!04:51
mwhudsonthanks SteveA04:51
mrevellthanks all04:51
mrevellcprov: I'm going to get tea then will ping you04:51
cprovmrevell-tea: yup04:51
statikbuh bye04:51
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kikothanks SteveA 04:52
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SteveAhere did teolomon go?04:53
SteveAhe wanted some help with something about translations04:54
beunocarlos, ready when you are  :D04:57
carlosSteveA: no idea...04:58
carlosbeuno: let me finish something, I will be ready in a couple of minutes04:58
beunocarlos, sure, I'll just get more coffee04:58
ubotuNew bug: #135853 in soyuz "Clean up your dbschema items" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13585305:01
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ubotuNew bug: #135856 in malone "Clean up your dbschema items" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13585605:06
ubotuNew bug: #135857 in blueprint "Clean up your dbschema items" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13585705:06
matsubaraisn't that a good example of using bugtasks?05:07
carlosbeuno: ping me when you are ready, please05:07
matsubarakiko: ^05:07
beunocarlos, ping  :D05:07
carlosbeuno: pong05:08
beunotranslation stats05:08
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carlosTell me the exact information you would like to get and I will try to get it for you 05:08
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kikomatsubara, hmm, maybe.05:09
kikowould have made my life easier05:09
carlosbeuno: I will not be able to provide with history, except store the statistics in a per date file05:09
beunook, the ideal information I would want is an activity log of translation, "x translated y in z" with a date stamp05:09
kikomatsubara, yeah, I don't see a good reason why not. I suck :-(05:09
carlosso I will export statistics per day and you will need to calculate the improvements05:09
beunocarlos, sure I don't mind parsing any kind of data05:10
carlosbeuno: what's 'x', 'y' and 'z' ? 05:10
carlosI guess z == distroseries (gutsy, daper, edgy)05:10
carlosy == sourcepackage (evolution, openoffice.org, etc...)05:10
carlosand x person?05:10
beunoUser translated package in distro05:11
carlosso I guessed correctly05:11
beunoI'm very glad you did  :D05:11
carlosbeuno: are you interested on suggestions too?05:11
carlosor just in translations that are actually used?05:11
beunocarlos, absolutely, anything you can, I'd rather have to filter out05:11
carlosbeuno: I mean, you want it split or aggregated?05:12
carlosfor instance:05:12
carlos"carlos did 100 translations in Gutsy's evolution"05:12
carlos"carlos did 30 translations and 70 suggestions in Gutsy's evolution"05:13
beunocarlos, I'd prefer the second option, but not if it takes you much longer05:13
beunoI'm also happy with something like the Karma summary05:14
beuno"carlos translated a string in Gutsy's evolution"05:14
carlosbeuno: dude, I have raw access to a db mirror so I could provide anything you want05:15
beuno"carlos suggested..."05:15
ubotuNew bug: #135859 in launchpad "Clean up your dbschema items" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13585905:15
beunocarlos, hahahaah, I don't want to abuse your friendlyness  :p05:15
carlosbeuno: well, I would prefer if you give me a list of things you really want to know05:15
beunothe ideal for me would somethin I could show semi-live, like in ubuntustats.com05:16
carlosif it's not possible, I will tell you that, don't worry05:16
carlosbeuno: I'm using a mirror, so it will not be live05:16
beunoso I would show items fly by the browser of people translating stuff05:16
carlosit usually has a small delay, less than 24 hours, but a delay anyway05:17
carlosuntil we implement the proper spec about stats05:17
beunocarlos, that works, it doesn't have to be live as in "it's happening right now"05:17
carlosin which case, it will be updated live05:17
beunomost of the items now aren't live either05:17
beunojust acceptably recent  :D05:18
beunothat way I can show that info in ubuntustats, and generate the weekly stats for UWN05:18
carlosok, let me prepare something...05:18
beunoand eventually querying for stats, since I'll have all that in a db05:19
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carloshmm, this query is being long...05:29
carlosbeuno: waiting for the sql server05:29
beunocarlos, great, that means I'm getting a lot of data  :p05:30
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beunocarlos, I was thinking maybe you could generate a file per hour or so to make it easier on the DB, and quicker for me (less if it's convenient for you)05:45
carlosbeuno: well, data doesn't change so often05:46
carlosso once per day is enough05:46
carlosalthough I need to optimise that query... (still running)05:46
carlosbeuno: we update the DB mirror once per day anyway05:46
beunocarlos, ah, right, makes sense then05:47
beunoand, while I'm not trying to get greedy, that means the whole LP DB?  as in "maybe, in the future, if I send you enough fruit baskets, we could generate more of these"?05:48
beunocarlos, the main server at my office just exploded into pieces and I've got 18 people staring at the ceiling instead of programming, I have to run over there real quick, can we continue in about an hour?05:55
carlosbeuno: sure05:56
beunothanks!  :D05:56
carlosbeuno: about 'generating more of these', about translations, no problem for other things... I would prefer to check with the maintainers. the proper solution is use launchpad for it05:56
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kikomatsubara-lunch, is there no bug for empty config sectios being required? how odd.06:13
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ddaakiko: IIRC a bug was filed previously and marked invalid because06:29
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ddaaboth upstream and launchpad want to get away from the existing config management system06:30
ddaaso there would be little point in fixing upstream bugs there06:30
ddaa(so said stub, IIRC)06:30
beunocarlos, ok, just killed the person who touched the server, how's the query06:31
ddaabeuno: you're carlos's "cleaner"?06:32
ddaacan I ask you to clean people too?06:32
carlosbeuno: still running, even after I optimised it a bit, I guess I would need to improve it even more...06:32
carlosddaa: it was not my server... but who knows... :-P06:33
beunoddaa, yes you can, but I don't accept money, only "launchpad favours" currency06:33
mwhudsonkiko: bug 5003306:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 50033 in launchpad "Default values are not accessible from config section if a config file doesn't contain that section" [High,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50033 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)06:34
beunocarlos, I remembered something on my way here, I would also need what language it was translated in06:36
carloshmm, that's even worse06:36
beunoI thought it would be :D06:36
carlosmore joins06:36
beunobut UWN stats are basically per language stats06:37
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beunoI can replace IDs for languages if that saves time/resources06:37
carlosdon't worry, it's more easy for me to do it directly06:38
carlosok, per language it's faster06:41
carlosI just got the Spanish one06:41
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synickiko: ok... I'm an idiot.  I get the series stuff now.  Would it be a big pain for me to request deletion of the "unstable" series in the exaile project?  There's a milestone in there....06:42
synicI promise I'll consult you before I create a new series, just to I can make sure I know what I'm doing.06:44
carlosbeuno: http://people.ubuntu.com/~carlos/statistics/gutsy_es_20070830.txt06:45
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carlosthat's the list of Spanish translations that are being used per package06:46
carlosin Gutsy06:46
carlosI could do it relative to current day too06:47
beunocarlos, that's almost perfect06:58
beunoif you add it relative to the day, and distiguish suggestions from translations, I'm set06:58
carlosthat's just translations06:58
carlosI could provide another file with the same information for suggestions not being used06:58
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carlosbeuno: although, if you prefer to get that information in the same file, I think it's possible06:58
beunocarlos, it's the same to me, as long as I can parse it06:58
carloswell, anything is possible, I mean, I think I'm able to do it :-P06:58
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beunoare you using mysql, or is it top secret?06:58
carlosbeuno: we use postgres06:58
ddaaand that's anything but secret.06:58
beunohmmm, this might work anyway then: http://tlug.dnho.net/?q=node/20906:58
ddaaour database schema does not lend itself well to brainless exports06:58
ddaafor example, some people do not want to disclose their email addresses06:58
ddaaalso, anything involving translations touch tables with literally zillions of rows06:58
ddaaexporting this data involves some expertise06:58
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=== Topic (#launchpad): set by kiko-afk at Wed Aug 29 14:48:48 2007
beunoddaa, right, I understand, I was just trying to help out a bit, I believe that formats the output as a csv file, easier to parse06:59
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kikosynic, that's easy.07:00
=== ddaa cannot find bug that said "cannot convert person to team"
kikosynic, hand me a url please?07:01
ddaakiko: was it fixed?07:01
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kikoddaa, was what fixed?07:02
synickiko: for which question?  The first one?07:02
carlosbeuno: I just need to go out for 20 minutes, will you be around when I'm back?07:02
kikosynic, were there multiple questions? :)07:02
synickiko: yup.07:02
beunocarlos, all day, yes07:02
carlosbeuno: ok07:02
ddaakiko: I thought there was a bug filed about being unable to convert a person into a team.07:02
carlosbeuno: will ping you as soon as I'm back07:02
synickiko: Here's the one regarding exaile-tickets: https://launchpad.net/~exaile-tickets07:02
beunocarlos, great, thanks  :D07:03
kikosynic, oh, that's an existing bug. please file a request (see support in the /topic)07:04
kikosynic, when salgado <wink> finished that bug you'll be able to do it.07:04
kikosynic, just leave it as-is for now -- it's safest.07:05
synickiko: wait, what's the bug?  07:05
kikosynic, if you file the support request matsubara-lunch will link it in07:05
synicis the bug being able to delete users, or being able to convert them to teams?07:06
kikosynic, the latter.07:06
synicthe other question was this:07:06
synickiko: ok... I'm an idiot.  I get the series stuff now.  Would it be a big pain for me to request deletion of the "unstable" series in the exaile project?  There's a milestone in there....07:06
kikono problem.07:06
kikoI was on the phone with Rinchen who as we know talks a great deal (even more than me!)07:07
kikoso I missed all this fun stuff07:07
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kikosynic, but there is a branch attached to that series.07:07
kikoshould it be moved to main?07:07
kikookay changing.07:07
synickiko: yeah.07:07
ddaawould be simpler to delete "trunk" and rename "unstable" to "trunk"07:09
kikosynic, you're not an idiot. series are too complicated.07:09
ddaathen set the branch back in the new trunk07:09
kikoalready too late07:09
ddaaoh, that works that way too :)07:09
synickiko: yeah.  I'm just used to trackers that can do a lot less.  I can see how all of this stuff would be really useful07:09
kikosynic, done.07:10
synicthanks :)07:10
kiko-fudlet me have that lunch now!07:10
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kiko-fudsynic, should I use exaile instead of rhythmbox btw?07:11
synickiko-fud: you sure should07:11
kiko-fudI'll give it a spin07:11
synicalright :)07:11
kiko-fudin python too! cool.07:11
kiko-fudokay real lunch now07:11
kiko-fud(because fake lunch doesn't help)07:12
ddaayou know what I'd love from a media player?07:12
ddaathe ability to deal with multiple encodings of the same track07:12
synicwhich type of encodings are you talking about?07:12
ddaaso, when on the move, it would use low-quality ogg that fit on my internal drive07:12
ddaabut when at home, it would use flac stored on an usb drive07:13
synicwhat about automatic transcoding?07:13
synic... nevermind, I guess that would take too long.07:13
ddaathat would not solve the use case too07:13
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matsubarakiko-fud: bug 5003307:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 50033 in launchpad "Default values are not accessible from config section if a config file doesn't contain that section" [High,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50033 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)07:40
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kikothanks matsubara 07:50
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kikohey this exaile thing08:07
kikoit's pretty cool08:07
kikoman, ddaa, that's such a corner case08:07
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ddaakiko: did not say that was a common requirement08:29
ddaaactually, I do not expect it to be ever supported08:29
ddaamost people do not even care that their music is compressed in horribly lossy ways08:29
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sbalneavHas ppa become public yet, or only for launchpad beta testers?08:32
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LaserJocksbalneav: you already ask?08:32
sbalneavYep :)08:33
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kikosbalneav, I invite you to be a beta tester already!08:38
sbalneavI'll try uploading again.  Gonna be around for a bit?  08:42
sbalneavMuito Obrigado, BTW08:42
kikosbalneav, yeah, I'll be around for another 1:1508:46
kikode nada08:46
LaserJockthanks kiko 08:47
LaserJocksbalneav needs PPA power!08:52
kikosbalneav, you're a beta tester. 08:52
kikoLaserJock, does he need to have signed the CoC too?08:52
LaserJockhe should have already08:52
sbalneavI'm an ubunteroooooo09:03
sbalneavHmm, so if I've already done an upload via dput, and it failed, how do I try again?09:05
sbalneavdput my-ppa edubuntu-docs_7.07.1ubuntu1_source.changes09:05
sbalneavAlready uploaded to upload.dogfood.launchpad.net09:05
sbalneavDoing nothing for edubuntu-docs_7.07.1ubuntu1_source.changes09:05
synicis there any way to import tickets from another bug tracker, csv file, or any of that?09:05
kikosbalneav, it's no longer dogfood -- see help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart09:10
kikodogfood is the past 09:13
kikolpnet is the future09:13
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ubotuNew bug: #135905 in malone "ExternalBugTracker tests need to be refactored" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13590509:26
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sbalneavkiko-afk: [PPA sbalneav]  Accepted:09:54
sbalneav  OK: edubuntu-docs_7.07.1ubuntu1~ppa1.tar.gz09:54
sbalneav  OK: edubuntu-docs_7.07.1ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc09:54
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CharlesEdwardPaxIs this a good place to get some help on packaging and PPA?10:08
CharlesEdwardPaxI have a handy little application in Python using libglade called Gladex (http://www.openphysics.org/~gladex/), which is hosted in Launchpad bzr. I hacked together a Makefile that will output a binary package when the user types "make package"; this is located in the bzr repository. This is fine for personal use and distribution to those who don't mind poking around a bit. However, in the hopes of distributing to a wider au10:09
CharlesEdwardPaxThe problem I'm having is making a source package that won't make PPA's automated build system puke. All the tutorials and documentation I've found are more complex than I would hope for.10:09
CharlesEdwardPaxCharlesEdwardPax: Does anyone have an example or can point me to some good information on how I need to structure the code in the bzr repository and what files must be included in the bzr repository?10:09
cprovCharlesEdwardPax:  yes, but #ubuntu-devel is better for packaging issues.10:09
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LaserJockcprov: #ubuntu-motu10:10
LaserJockcprov: #ubuntu-devel doesn't do packaging support10:10
ddaacprov means "here is a good place to ask about PPA specifically, but #ubuntu-motu is better for general packaging issues"10:10
ddaaLaserJock: thx :)10:10
synicmatsubara: is converting a person to a team something that might happen soon, or should I just create a new team?10:12
CharlesEdwardPaxI'll go checkout #ubuntu-motu. Thanks.10:12
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ddaasynic: at this point, you want to create a new team, and maybe merge your account with the other person you created.10:18
ddaaIn any case, the bug is not going to be fixed before the next release in two weeks10:18
synicah, ok10:21
ubotuNew bug: #136103 in malone "Suggestion about bug types" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13610310:25
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huatsI'd like to use ppa, can anybody help me a bit ? I don't know where to start...10:35
jameshhuats: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart would be a good place to start10:37
huatsjamesh: Yep I've seen that10:37
jameshhuats: perhaps be a bit more specific about what you want to know10:43
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synicbleh, how do you create a new team again?10:47
synicnevermind :)10:50
ddaaadmittedly, https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/TeamManagement is not very helpful10:50
ddaa"Creating a team is trivial."10:50
LaserJockof course it *is* trivial if you know where to go10:51
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synicso anyone registered for launchpad can modify any ticket?12:33
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LaserJocksynic: not all parts of a bug can be modified by anyone12:42
synicwhat can be?12:43
LaserJockwell, they can set certain statuses12:43
LaserJockthen can comment12:43
LaserJockthat kind of thing12:43

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