[12:47] it is now fetching [12:47] :D [12:47] yay! [12:48] so simple 16 caraters to work around a bug in 13 hours [12:48] Thank you very much all for your patience and your help [12:49] yml: my pleasure, I admire your persistance :D [12:49] You there is always 2 categories of people: [12:49] The one with talent [12:49] and the one that persist [12:50] Obviously I was not in the first category$ [12:50] ;-) [12:50] yml: hahaha, talent is easier to learn then patience :p [12:50] How did you find this bug in launchpad [12:51] because I try to use the search without a lot of success === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [12:51] yml: I used google :D [12:52] http://www.google.com.ar/search?q=ssh+implementation+is+Putty's+plink.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [12:53] yml: what version of windows are you running? I'd like to create a patch for that [12:55] beuno : microsoft XP Professionnel [12:55] version 2002 [12:55] Service Pack 2 [12:56] yml: great, I'll try and see if I can prepare a patch for it [12:57] I would be glad to test it [12:57] if yo need a tester [12:57] yml: would be useful, can you send me an email so I have your address? beuno@ubuntu.com [01:01] beuno : I have done it thank you [01:02] yml: thanks, I'll drop you a line when I cook up something [01:03] Thank you and good night it 1:00 AM over there [01:03] bye === yml [n=yml@put92-2-82-224-221-145.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad ["Kopete] === mdke_ [i=mdke@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [01:51] are PPAs working for teams? === doko_ is now known as doko === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === spiv [n=andrew@canonical/launchpad/spiv] has joined #launchpad [02:11] LaserJock, don't know the answer to that. I know you can enable it but unfortunately someone like cprov will need to take that [02:11] right now it's just Beta Testers that can upload right? [02:12] believe so [02:12] I haven't been too involved with PPA [02:12] I just wondered what happens if you have a team and some people are Beta Testers and some aren't [02:12] best to ask crpov in the morning [02:13] or, of course, email launchpad-users === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:24] https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart lists fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net for the config; is this still correct now that it's out of the beta area? [02:30] tonyyarusso, nope -- but we haven't updated it yet. we will tomorrow (when matt revell is back) [02:31] kiko-afk: so if I use fqdn = upload.launchpad.net it should work? [02:33] tonyyarusso, yes, but shhh don't tell anyone :) [02:34] lol, okay === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #launchpad [02:34] kiko-afk: heh, it's already on launchpad-users [02:34] omg :) [02:35] we could blog it for good measure [02:35] then what would you do, huh? [02:35] ;-) [02:35] "ooopss, was that your LP karma?" [02:36] lol [02:36] fofl [02:37] ai ai, been a while since I've laughed this hard [02:37] "I'm sorry, we just had a database malfunction, you've just been assigned all Ubuntu bugs" [02:38] "What? your hackergotchi was replaced by a picture of a pink pony? File a bug and we'll see what we can do" :-) [02:39] Are the rest of the conf fields correct? [02:39] hahaa [02:40] tonyyarusso: there *is* an email on the launchpad-users list with instructions [02:40] LaserJock: hrm - I may not be on that list yet :S === tonyyarusso adds [02:41] Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to upload.launchpad.net): [02:41] Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused') [02:42] have you checked your network? [02:43] isn't it ppa.launchpad.net btw? === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad [02:47] Oooh, that could be. === zzorn is now known as zzorn_sleep === EdwinGrubbs_ [n=edwin@rrcs-67-79-191-211.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=beuno@201-213-170-7.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad [03:15] New bug: #135730 in launchpad "Special background for private bug reports etc should be inside tabs" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135730 === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [03:20] quick question.... how does team karma work? [03:21] not general launchpad karma... [03:21] team karma. I thought I saw it somewhere [03:23] effie_jayx, afaik, it's not implemented yet [03:23] cool then === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad === tck [n=tck@A-109-29.cust.iol.ie] has joined #launchpad === reacocard [n=reacocar@67-131-125-162.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@tetkyo018147.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === fabbione [n=fabbione@217.207.76.231] has joined #launchpad === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === zzorn [n=zz@212.16.103.33] has joined #launchpad === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === _Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === _Paracha is now known as Paracha === fabbione [n=fabbione@217.207.76.231] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [06:10] Bah. "Rejected - Must be a member of lp-beta-testers for PPA" I thought it was everyone now, but I guess I'm jumping the gun on that. === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad [06:26] tonyyarusso, hasn't launched yet [06:26] they are pretty close, and will announce when its ready [06:32] superm1: ah, ok. I must have misheard/read. [06:32] tonyyarusso, they were almost ready today, but i believe had to delay a little more [06:35] ah === Paracha [n=Paracha@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ is now known as Prognatus === Paracha [n=Paracha@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === sander_m [n=sander@sander-marechal.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [08:01] Hello. My gnome-hearts application is translated through launchpad. I am readying a new, big release and have frozen and uploaded the new .pot files to launchpad. But where can I announce to the launchpad translators that I have done so and ask for their contribution over the next week or two? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #launchpad [08:14] Is the launchpad-users mailinglist the correct place to announce a string freeze for my project and ask for translations? [08:20] Well... I guess so then. === samiam_ [n=samurai@74-134-144-215.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #launchpad === samiam_ is now known as samiam === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.37.68] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [08:40] can someone explain "Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel." to me? [08:41] elmargol: if you want it to use universe build-deps, you'll need to set the section as universe/foo [08:42] elmargol, luckily since there is an override system in ubuntu, adding the section on the PPA source package and the ubuntu source package won't matter. the override in ubuntu will take precedence when its uploaded to ubuntu. [08:43] elmargol: otherwise it will default ot main, and so will fail to build if any build-deps are in universe [08:43] ah ok. Can I sign packages after I build them on PPA? [08:44] elmargol, if you mirror to another repository and sign that repository [08:44] since ppa doesn't support signing (yet) [08:44] elmargol, actually Daviey and I coauthored a script that will apt-mirror, regenerate the release and sign if you're interested in seeing it [08:44] Yes I need PPA for a upstream project. ATM i build packages on Virtual machines for every platform :( this sucks [08:45] I need packages for Feisty 32and64 bit and dapper 32and64bit === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad [08:46] elmargol, let me grab you the branch the script is sitting in then [08:46] elmargol, https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-weekly-build There are two scripts in there, you only need one of them, the other is for our submissions to PPA [08:47] I give it a look thx === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [08:47] mirror_repository.sh, and its in revno 11 [08:49] superm1: I only have 10 revs [08:49] ah ok refresh helps [08:49] elmargol, pull an update, the commit was pushed right as i was telling you :) [08:49] forgot to push it earlier tonight [08:50] New bug: #135753 in soyuz "PPA FTBFS when needing earlier build's binaries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135753 === stub [n=stub@tetkyo018147.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [09:01] morning === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-219-40.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad [09:03] can someone please add me to the launchpad-beta-testers team? [09:03] good morning carlos [09:04] elmargol: you need to talk with mrevell [09:06] carlos: I write an email [09:07] yeah, that should work better === _Paracha [n=Paracha@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === _Paracha is now known as Paracha === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@nat/canonical/x-ea7d95e2d6d0cbf7] has joined #launchpad === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === zzorn_sleep is now known as zzorn_away === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-138464b7a5499aad] has joined #launchpad === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad | Current version: 1.1.8 | Next developer meeting: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad |Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by kiko-afk at Wed Aug 29 14:48:48 2007 === #launchpad [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === fernando1 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-25f0ed98e9df5b4f] has joined #launchpad === jsk [n=jonathan@client-82-20-9-142.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@nat/canonical/x-77c5066acb395cff] has joined #launchpad [12:05] New bug: #135799 in malone "Spelling error in pie chart" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135799 === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tk@151.82.6.84] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-20-34.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-219-40.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-ef3049c7c467cb13] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@193.189.122.196] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #launchpad [02:05] New bug: #135817 in malone "Launchpad should support status imports from the Python bugtracker" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135817 [02:20] New bug: #135821 in launchpad "Let's have a whiteboard or a description for a milestone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135821 === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-103-134-216.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === deadwill [n=deadwill@146037.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [02:44] I'm currently trying to push to a branch but it isw locked by 'vostok'. Is this a lock I shouldn't break? [02:47] I think vostok is the mirroring machine [02:50] that's very strange [02:50] I should note I'm pushing using bzr+ssh rather than sftp... [02:51] Odd_Bloke: is it reproducible? [02:51] It's happened a couple of times. [02:52] Lock is "held by supermirror@vostok on host vostok [process #6311] " [02:52] Just happened for a third time. [02:54] ah hm [02:55] it looks a bit like there's a bzr process hanging around that may have the lock [02:55] (it's not PID 6311 though, dunno where that comes from) [02:55] Odd_Bloke: have you had any dropped connections or anything like that lately? [02:56] mwhudson: I did earlier, but I broke that lock once... [02:56] hm === mwhudson curses once, twice, thrice the ssh server logs [02:58] Odd_Bloke: i suggest filing a bug [02:58] maybe jml will have a clue === fernando1 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-fc60f4de4330a2a5] has joined #launchpad [03:00] mwhudson: In Launchpad or is there a more appropriate subproject? [03:01] launchpad-bazaar, Odd_Bloke === zooko [n=user@nooxie.zooko.com] has left #launchpad ["ERC] === fabbione [i=fabbione@nat/canonical/x-c8dbcdae1b93617e] has joined #launchpad [03:07] mwhudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/125420 would appear to be the problem I'm having. [03:07] Launchpad bug 125420 in launchpad-bazaar "supermirror tasking locks?" [Undecided,New] [03:10] Odd_Bloke: after you broke the lock once, did it then work? [03:10] often there will be two stale locks (a branch lock and a repository lock) [03:12] mwhudson: See my latest comment. The lock is taken again immediately I break it. [03:12] Though I have been breaking it using the bzr+ssh protocol, which could be the problem... [03:15] New bug: #135829 in launchpad-answers "OOPS creating a faq with a rejected question" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135829 === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === EdwinGrubbs_ [n=edwin@rrcs-67-79-191-211.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.professional.rinchen] has joined #launchpad === edwingrubbs_ [n=edwin@rrcs-67-79-191-211.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === edwingrubbs_ is now known as EdwinGrubbs === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad === bac_ [n=bac@rrcs-67-79-191-210.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #launchpad [03:33] whats a launchpad? [03:34] statik: you raise a good point. If there is no cocktail named Launchpad yet, there ought to be one. [03:36] I'll raise a cocktail to that [03:37] jtv: the cocktail would be served ON FIRE, i assume [03:37] hmmm... [03:38] that's pretty funny. the US space program has just completed a 4 month investigation into astronauts flying the shuttle while drunk. I bet the local bars here near Kennedy Space center would love the idea :) [03:38] wtf === adeuring [n=abel@Fc111.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad === sinzu2 [n=sinzui@71-87-150-175.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #launchpad === barr1 [n=barry@rrcs-71-43-199-194.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [03:58] me [03:58] him [03:59] wut === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [03:59] you === Rinchen looks around for SteveA [04:00] he is here, with the other 7 of us [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] and me [04:00] shhhh [04:00] me [04:01] Good morning! [04:01] Evening. [04:01] Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting === schwuk [n=schwuk@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [04:01] For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development [04:01] who is here today? [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] stop flooding [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:02] me [04:02] deadwill: hi. Welcome to the meeting [04:02] me [04:02] me [04:02] :D [04:02] me [04:02] mrevell, mpt ? [04:02] me [04:02] sorry [04:03] == Agenda == [04:03] * Roll call [04:03] * Agenda [04:03] * Next meeting [04:03] * Actions from last meeting [04:03] * Oops report (Matsubara) === sinzu2 [n=sinzui@71-87-150-175.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #launchpad [04:03] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [04:03] * Bug tags [04:03] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:03] * DBA report (stub) [04:03] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [04:03] me [04:03] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Coping with changes to configs - kiko [04:03] * Deadline for moving dbschema code - kiko [04:03] * Staging shared mailbox - matsubara [04:03] * Pre-allhands training - kiko [04:03] * Ubuntu bugwatches are growing old - kiko [04:03] (other items) [04:03] me [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Blockers [04:03] [04:03] We have a long agenda today [04:03] so please help to keep things moving along promptly [04:04] Next meeting: same time next week. Anyone know they won't be here? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-75-102.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #launchpad [04:04] 6 [04:04] 5 [04:04] 4 [04:04] 3 [04:04] 2 [04:04] 1 [04:04] great [04:04] * Actions from last meetig [04:05] none [04:05] * OOPS report -- matsubara [04:05] Today's oops report is about bugs 134223, 134301, 135829, 135838 [04:05] Launchpad bug 134223 in launchpad-bazaar "viewing the index page of a bug you can upload to oopses" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134223 - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson) [04:05] Launchpad bug 134301 in rosetta "AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'code'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134301 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is) [04:05] Launchpad bug 135829 in launchpad-answers "OOPS creating a faq with a rejected question" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135829 [04:05] Launchpad bug 135838 in rosetta "Broken link to import queue in +translations page " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135838 [04:05] mwhudson, re: bug 134223. was it not fixed on edge? Today's report shows some [04:05] OOPSes there. [04:05] matsubara: yes :( [04:05] sinzui: how's bug 134301 fix going? === Rinchen excels at testing edge. :-) [04:05] matsubara: sinzui is vacationing [04:05] New bug: #135838 in rosetta "Broken link to import queue in +translations page " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135838 [04:06] carlos: were you not on #135838? [04:06] danilos: yes [04:06] oh sorry. didn't know that. thanks statik [04:06] matsubara, we should wait for sinzui for those I guess. email him please [04:06] matsubara: I can get it ready in a few days. (this net work blows for doing a preimp) === ddaa fixes the summary of bug 134223 [04:06] although didn't work too much on it, I'm giving priority to 'the huge branch (TM)' [04:06] carlos: right, understandable [04:07] sinzu2: thanks for the feedback even being away. :-) [04:07] thank you ddaa [04:07] sinzu2, don't worry about it. [04:07] matsubara: I just assigned 135838 to me [04:07] matsubara: I have me pre-imp scripted out [04:07] sinzu2, enjoy those vacations -- they go by quickly! [04:07] thank you carlos [04:08] SteveA: that's it. back to you. thanks! [04:09] thank you matsubara [04:09] - Critical bugs, Rinchen [04:09] Howdy, a few for today. [04:09] salgado, is bug 127004 critical becuase it needs to be done this cycle or is something currently broken? [04:09] Bug 127004 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/127004 is private [04:09] jamesh, is bug 131043 really critical? We're still waiting on an upstream fix correct? [04:09] Launchpad bug 131043 in launchpad "database adapter serialisation tests disabled" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131043 [04:09] barr1, current status on bug 132422 and bug 133630 please? [04:09] Bug 132422 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/132422 is private [04:09] Rinchen, critical because it needs to go in this cycle [04:10] Bug 133630 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/133630 is private [04:10] Bug 134312 seems to be database related. Should this be assigned to stub? Same question wrt to Bug 135312 although this appears to more complicated. [04:10] Launchpad bug 134312 in launchpad "Checkwatches script doesn't use correct DB user" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134312 [04:10] Bug 135312 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/135312 is private [04:10] Rinchen, it's already waiting for review, though [04:10] Rinchen: SteveA asked me to mark the bug critical when filing it [04:10] salgado, ok thanks. That helps me know the situation. [04:10] so that's what I did [04:10] I don't know if it needs to be brought up at each meeting though [04:10] jamesh, ok, any objections if I drop it from this meeting? [04:10] Rinchen: Anyone can do Bug 134312 [04:11] Thanks stub [04:11] so I need a taker for bug 134312 then [04:11] Launchpad bug 134312 in launchpad "Checkwatches script doesn't use correct DB user" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134312 === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #launchpad [04:11] so, 131043 is about us having tests disabled [04:12] stub, are you able to do the other one, 134312? [04:12] essentially, we're not testing the DB adapter serialization code [04:12] what's the reason for changing the db users as soon as possible? it'd be good to get a bit more notice for issues like this [04:12] which means this code is subject to being broken, and we won't realize === teolemon [n=pierre@clamwin/translator/teolemon] has joined #launchpad [04:12] Rinchen: In fact, better for someone who is familiar with checkwatches as I can only make the tests pass - I won't know of areas without test coverage [04:12] BjornT, we moved to a new box [04:12] BjornT, so we're trying to clean things out as we move [04:12] BjornT: We can work around it if scheduling is a bitch [04:12] kiko: but why does it need to be done ASAP? [04:12] even so, we can change it to High priority, if it is interfering with this report too much. [04:13] statik, please poke barry about his above. :-) [04:13] I would prefer it stay critical though [04:13] stub: some scripts are not trivial to convert, so i'd rather push this off to the next cycle [04:13] we already have too much to do for 1.1.9 [04:13] Rinchen: I won't be good for any bugs this cycle with all the leave and the db stuff I need to do [04:13] SteveA, I'm ok to not report on it weekly and leave it critical. [04:13] BjornT: Sure [04:13] BjornT, okay, push them off. [04:13] cool, thanks [04:14] Rinchen: ok [04:14] Rinchen: no change in status [04:14] hi everybody, I was wondering if there were some Rosetta gurus out there [04:14] so are we planning to still fix this in 1.1.9? [04:14] Rinchen: I worry that if we mark it high, we're not taking our commitment to having good test coverage seriously [04:14] (the checkwatches, I mean) [04:15] teolemon: we're in a meeting for the next 30 mins. Maybe someone like carlos or danilos can help you in a private message [04:15] sorry [04:15] I'll wait [04:15] Rinchen, and it will get forgotten :-( [04:15] teolemon: thanks [04:15] teolemon: sure, thank you [04:15] SteveA: i think we still take it seriously, but i don't think it's critical [04:16] I still need a volunteer for checkwatches [04:16] pretty please [04:16] I've generally taken critical as cherrypickable, High as must go out in this release. [04:16] barr1, the reason I marked it critical is that I think it warrants a cherry pick before the next release since we currently have an ugly work around [04:16] Rinchen: didn't we agree on pusing it off to 1.1.10? [04:16] Rinchen: We can defer checkwatches too if needed [04:17] mthaddon, how badly will this interfere with your work if we delay checkwatches and the others? [04:17] SteveA, this meeting is moving very slowly. [04:17] mthaddon: (We just need to allow access to the launchpad user from forster and it will work like it did on gangotri) [04:17] critical to me means "drop everything and fix it NOW" [04:17] kiko: you think so? in general, or just this part about critical bugs? [04:18] SteveA, my internet connection hiccupped. sorry. :) [04:18] Ok, I'll try to sort the rest of this out today. SteveA back to you. [04:18] Rinchen, it'll mean continuing to have an ugly hack in place for checkwatches - some of the other ones do need to happen sooner as I need to migrate all scripts of gangotri as part of the app server reconfig project [04:18] thanks Rinchen :-) [04:18] * Bug tags [04:19] Rinchen, can discuss the details with you later [04:19] there is one new proposal for an official launchpad project bug tag [04:19] - focus [04:19] focus?! [04:19] field-focus maybe [04:19] about the focusing of form controls [04:19] form-focus [04:19] I agree with kiko that 'focus' is a very general term [04:19] input-focus? [04:19] for example, the focus of development [04:19] form-focus sounds less ambiguous of the options [04:20] the dutch prog rock band, with their yodelling hit "hocus pocus" [04:20] SteveA: you're not thinking of Crocus? [04:20] mpt: what's your opinion? [04:20] nope, it's Focus [04:20] I think tags are there to help developers... even if they may be confusing to those who are not using them, it's important they are short and understandable to those who are using them [04:20] danilos, focus is confusing /to me/ [04:21] kiko: wouldn't mpt be the one using them most? [04:21] s/them/it/ [04:21] jtv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_%28band%29 [04:21] danilos: the tags are to help both developers, and casual users of Launchpad [04:21] danilos, I don't see the connection there. I still need to read the tags in the portlet. [04:21] danilos: also, tags are more often read than written [04:22] danilos: also also, there's support in the application to show you what tags exist [04:22] SteveA: my only concern is maybe they'd be written more often if they were not as cumbersome to add [04:22] That may be more a UI matter than a naming matter though... [04:23] what jtv said [04:23] danilos: outside of the meeting, please try adding the tags focus and form-focus to some bugs on staging [04:23] our handling of tags is too simplistic [04:23] danilos: and see how much extra total work it is, and recommend some improvements [04:23] I'm with jtv and kiko [04:23] kiko: that's true, but I don't see the connection either... unless you are interested in tracking all your focus bugs yourself... anyway, I'm done with the matter [04:23] mpt: you proposed the tag [04:23] mpt: do you agree with form-focus? [04:24] ok, time to move on. form-focus is approved for the use mpt proposed, provided mpt agrees with it [04:24] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:25] Numerous cherry picks have been applied and issues discovered with moving scripts to run from new server which has more restricted DB access [04:25] Rollout procedure is changing - script now includes means of performing commands (e.g. starting services) immediately after pushing out code (tested yesterday successfully) [04:25] Seems to be an ongoing issues with the branch-puller (per the scriptactivity emails) === teolemon [n=pierre@clamwin/translator/teolemon] has left #launchpad [] [04:25] mthaddon, beautiful work, thanks. [04:25] Other than that all other issues have been discussed [04:26] mthaddon: havbe been discussed here today? or elsewhere? [04:26] SteveA, discussed here today (the script DB user issues) [04:26] I'm very happy to hear about greater amounts of reliable automation for rollouts [04:26] thanks [04:26] * DBA report (stub) [04:26] .wub 61 [04:27] wub wub [04:27] Database patches need to be in my queue by Tuesday. I won't be around Monday, so grab me tomorrow if you need me. [04:27] DB patch review call is scheduled with Mark Wednesday 5th. [04:27] A call to discuss the code import patch is being scheduled for tomorrow. I may try and discuss other ready patches if Mark has time. [04:27] tink dat is all [04:28] thanks stub [04:28] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [04:28] Does anyone have any RT requests that need attention? If you are blocked on any, please speak now. [04:28] Yup === jtv looks it up [04:28] #28968 [04:28] actually, to save time in this meeting, please privmsg Rinchen [04:28] ok [04:29] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:29] Right now, the upstream Amarok team deal with bugs reported against the Ubuntu Amarok package. I'm told that they've expressed frustration at not being able to set importances, see private bugs and set wishlist bugs. These tasks are reserved for the Ubuntu drivers, as it's an Ubuntu package and not the upstream project. [04:29] I'll start a discussion on launchpad-users where I'd value your thoughts on what we can offer upstreams who want to be more involved in managing bugs filed against the Ubuntu package of their software. [04:29] Thanks, back to you SteveA. [04:29] ok, thanks. more on launchpad-users [04:29] * Coping with changes to configs - kiko [04:29] mrevell: kiko was planning to add to that on what launchpad was planning to do about how we send bugs upstream, as well. [04:30] thanks Hobbsee [04:30] no problem [04:30] we've had a horrible number of problems with config updating this cycle [04:30] there are two reasons for this [04:30] first, because our config system is a disaster [04:30] in particular the lack of proper inheritance/overriding [04:30] second, because people are not being disciplined about updating our production configs [04:31] I would like us to address the latter part of the problem right now [04:31] I suspect part of the issue is that few people really understand what configs are used where (I certainly don't) [04:31] how about a simple diff-based lint script? [04:31] so make lint-configs [04:31] and the other part of the issue is that reviewers don't pay attention to config changes [04:31] or a test that tries to load each config [04:31] kiko: and also, how do you /test/ the other configs? [04:31] (won't catch everything, but will catch the worst problems) [04:32] I have no idea. I don't understand how our configs work. I just know that people forget to update them and then we have rollout pains. [04:32] ok, I'd like to have a discussion of this on the launchpad mailing list. kiko, please write the above in a message to the list. [04:32] then we can get a variety of ideas, and get something done [04:32]