[01:18] <anon32> maybe?
[01:18] <anon32> I use GDM :-\
[01:18] <anon32> hmm, I finally got Azureus to work. Now I can stop using uTorrent in WINE. Yay.
[01:22] <Stormx2> Nice!
[01:23] <Stormx2> anon32, I just tested out azureus
[01:23] <Stormx2> Turns out azureus also doubles as a handy X-restarting tool.
[01:23] <anon32> lol
[01:30] <randy026> haha
[02:07] <randy026> does firefox have a problem installing normal add-ons for anyone else?
[02:31] <mluser> I have an Asus m6800n laptop and suspend to ram is not working on it, seem to go through all the motions but never actually suspends.  A hard reboot is the only way to recover
[02:32] <mluser> I probably should mentioned that it works just fine in Feisty but not in Gutsy
[02:33] <Balaams_Miracle> mluser: Gutsy just recieved a new update of the powermanager. did you already install it?
[02:34] <mluser> Yes, about 20 minutes ago.  When I saw it I was excited, thought it might solve this problem
[02:36] <RAOF> mluser: You should probably file a bug, stating that it's a regression from Feisty.  It's probably against linux-source.
[02:36] <mluser> Ok.. will do.. thanks :)
[02:37] <RAOF> mluser: Useful things for you to do include: trying all the old kernels and finding the last one that works.
[02:38] <mluser> RAOF: I have no old kernels in Gutsy, did an update from feisty yesterday
[02:39] <RAOF> mluser: By "update" you therefore mean "clean install", right?  Otherwise your feisty kernel would still be hanging around :).
[02:39] <Balaams_Miracle> I've a question myself. A few days ago i've installed Gutsy in the hope i'd finally get rid of bug #109629. That worked, but now my GL apps (screen saver, games, etc.) they all make Xfce restart. Now, that's no real biggie, but i was wondering if it's a known issue.
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109629 in linux-source-2.6.20 "3com NIC stops working after some time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109629
[02:40] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: nvidia drivers?  Running compiz?
[02:40] <mluser> Actually thats a good point.. I did do an update, and then manaully removed the entries from menu.1st for the old kernels, perhaps I'll add them again and try
[02:40] <RAOF> !botsnack
[02:40] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:41] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: No compiz/beryl/fusion. Just plain old Xfce4.4.1. The nvidia drivers were installed automatically (hope that's what you meant)
[02:42] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Yup, that's what I mean.  Hm.  Does xfce have composite effects (drop-shadows, real transparency, etc)?
[02:44] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: Nothing that could be attributed to GL. And since i'm not always to clear (it's a complaint i often get), i'd like to re-state that it only occurs when some app uses GL. As soon as such a program initializes, the WM crashes and i need to log in again
[02:45] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Yeah.  I'm just trying to narrow it down.
[02:45] <Balaams_Miracle> Come to think of it. Xfce does have some (unaccellerated) dropshadows though
[02:45] <RAOF> There *is* a known issue with nvidia+compiz+any GL app killing X
[02:46] <RAOF> I'm just wondering whether the "killing X" bit is actually caused by *any* composite manager, not just Compiz.
[02:47] <Balaams_Miracle> I've just checked all processes, but neither compiz nor beryl has been sneeking its way onto my system.
[02:47] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure that xfce does have a composite manager component.  You may want to check the settings, see if anything jumps out.
[02:47] <Balaams_Miracle> (i'm using a small emergency HDD, so i need to keep the amount of installed apps as small as i can)
[02:48] <LukeEkblad> Hello
[02:48] <LukeEkblad> when gusty going to be released?
[02:48] <Balaams_Miracle> LukeEkblad: Oct 18th
[02:48] <RAOF> (Metacity is the only non-composite-manager WM that's current, IIRC) :)
[02:49] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: I will check. But i must admit that i kind of doubt that Xfce itself is to blame. But... We can't rule out anything befiore it's checked :-)
[02:49] <LukeEkblad> awwwww, thats a long time from now
[02:49] <LukeEkblad> What are the main changes?
[02:50] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: I'm not blaming xfce.  I'm blaming nvidia :).  If there's any option that looks like "composite", try turning it off and see if that fixes it :)
[02:51] <RAOF> LukeEkblad: Gnome 2.20, displayconfig-gtk, bulletproof-X, AppArmour, um... stuff
[02:51] <Balaams_Miracle> LukeEkblad: Go to http://www.ubuntu/com/testing , it will tell you more than we can do
[02:52] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Also, if there *isn't* any composite-like options, you could try installing metacity, run it with "metacity --replace", and see GL apps under metacity kill X.
[02:53] <LukeEkblad> page not found
[02:53] <Balaams_Miracle> Try http://www.ubuntu.com/testing instead of http://www.ubuntu/com/testing
[02:54] <mattyv> Trailing slash? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[02:55] <LukeEkblad> wait, i can download it right now???
[02:56] <RAOF> Yes, for testing purposes.  Of course!
[02:56] <RAOF> We don't drop totally untested releases and say "go, use this!" ;)
[02:56] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: I'm using Xfce in Dutch and the translation is not all that great (working on it though), but i think i've just found a setting that would enable compositing. I've disabled it and will try
[02:57] <LukeEkblad> shoudl i use it?
[02:57] <RAOF> LukeEkblad: Only if you want to file bugs, basically.
[02:57] <Balaams_Miracle> LukeEkblad: If you are going to try Gutsy, either run it in a virtual machine or be prepared to face bugs, errors and other problems
[02:57] <Balaams_Miracle> Better wait until october 18th
[02:58] <LukeEkblad> ok
[02:58] <LukeEkblad> nvm
[02:58] <LukeEkblad> I'm good
[02:59] <LukeEkblad> thanks, bye
[03:01] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: It worked! Thanks a bunch! Xfce doesn't look as spiffy as it did 10 minutes ago, like without the dropshadows and alpha blending stuff, but that's a minute price to pay.
[03:02] <seba> is there server version 7.10 ?
[03:02] <Balaams_Miracle> seba: there probably will be.
[03:02] <seba> yes i know, but i mean now for testing
[03:02] <RAOF> seba: Yes.
[03:03] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Cool.  One less compiz bug!
[03:09] <Balaams_Miracle> RAOF: well, i knew it wasn't compiz, it's not installed on my system :-)
[03:10] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Yeah.  But the fact that nvidia+GL dies when there's *any* composite manager, rather than just compiz, gets us closer to pointing at nVidia and saying "Nyaaa!  Fix your crappy drivers"
[03:11] <Balaams_Miracle> Aha! Now i see. I'm a bit dense today...
[03:14] <RAOF> Balaams_Miracle: Oooh.  You may want to try using the nvidia-glx rather than the nvidia-glx-new drivers.  Apparently that's a regression in the 100.whatever drivers.
[03:16] <snadge> uhoh.. i've overclocked my card too much ;)
[03:34] <snadge> are there any apt/dpkg wizards about at the moment? :P
[03:34] <iblicf> hello guys,, i installed the abiword ,but it just 'abort core dumpted',,any idea ..
[03:35] <aka_youtube> I'm suddently experiencing graphics problems in gutsy
[03:36] <aka_youtube> when I open something under wine (firefox or world of warcraft) or a 3D game like planeshift it log out before the app even starts
[03:36] <aka_youtube> its like gdm restart or something
[03:37] <aka_youtube> anyone knows about this bug?
[03:39] <RAOF> aka_youtube: Yes.  Blame nvidia.  Or use the nvidia-glx (not nvidia-glx-new) drivers.
[03:39] <iblicf> aka_youtube: dont's know why, but i intrest in your characters in WOW
[03:40] <aka_youtube> hehe
[03:41] <Hobbsee> snadge: i dont know how much you need to be a wizard, more just reading the man pages
[03:41] <aka_youtube> brb
[03:42] <snadge> Hobbsee: this is a very difficult problem though.. i only say that because amaranth doesn't know how to solve it and is suspecting a fault in the packaging subsystem, rather than the way the particular package was packaged
[03:42] <snadge> the culprit is the compiz-core package from his unofficial gutsy backport repo for compiz
[03:43] <Hobbsee> what's the problem?
[03:43] <snadge> compiz-core permanently thinks it needs to be upgraded
[03:43] <snadge> to the same version as the one thats already installed
[03:44] <snadge> so if you do aptitude upgrade.. multiple times.. it will just keep reinstalling that package
[03:45] <Hobbsee> why does it say it needs upgrading?
[03:45] <snadge> thats what i'd like to know
[03:45] <snadge> installed version and to install version are identical
[03:46] <Hobbsee> is the package "compiz" installed?
[03:47] <snadge> ok theres 2 compiz packages.. what looks like amaranth's one
[03:47] <snadge> and the ubuntu one
[03:48] <snadge> cant remember how to tell which one is installed
[03:49] <nickrud> apt-cache policy <package>
[03:50] <snadge> ok, amaranths one is installed
[03:50] <Hobbsee> does the amaranth one have the same version number as the compiz-core package?
[03:50] <Amaranth> i'd really love to know how to make apt tell me why it thinks it need to be upgraded
[03:50] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: it wants to upgrade from mine to mine
[03:50] <Amaranth> same version number, package hasn't changed at all
[03:50] <Amaranth> and it just keeps doing it
[03:51] <snadge> i've found the problem i think ;)
[03:51] <snadge> or something which could point to it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: there's probably a debug mode on apt.  did you ever ask mvo what it was?
[03:51] <snadge> have a look at apt-cache policy for compiz and compiz-core
[03:51] <snadge> they're "different" im not sure what relevence this is
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: also, are your version numbers above or below ubuntu's, because that will mess with it too
[03:51] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I keep forgetting
[03:51] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: above
[03:51] <Hobbsee> right
[03:52] <Amaranth> snadge: i don't even have feisty running here :)
[03:52] <snadge> ok i'll paste what the policy output for both packages shows
[03:52] <Amaranth> i have a couple of users who know how to follow directions to debug problems :)
[03:53] <snadge> might use pastebin..
[03:53] <Amaranth> this is the crappiest code i've ever had to plow through
[03:53] <Amaranth> it's literally impossible to follow
[03:53] <Amaranth> even the maintainer doesn't remember how this bit of code works :P
[03:54] <snadge> http://pastebin.ca/675374
[03:54] <snadge> why does the entry for compiz-core have 3 entries in the version table?
[03:55] <snadge> but compiz package 2
[03:55] <Amaranth> snadge: we already knew this
[03:55] <Amaranth> it's because apt thinks the local one and the remote one are different
[03:56] <snadge> so it comes back to the question of why would it think that
[03:56] <snadge> every other package works, it doesnt make sense.. whats so special about compiz-core
[03:59] <tatters> my centrino b/g wireless card (ipw2200) has been detected but seems dead to the world ,no signals being transmitted or recieved, it works fine in windows (multiboot)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: do you know if multiple people are getting this?
[04:03] <Amaranth> everyone using my repo is getting this
[04:03] <snadge> the output of showpkg is interesting too.. it shows the same thing.. ubuntu thinks theres two versions of the same package available.. one associated with amaranth's repo.. and the other with /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:03] <snadge> both with the same version
[04:03] <Amaranth> yes, this is already known
[04:04] <Amaranth> if it doesn't say _why_ it's not helpful
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i wonder if it still happens if you bump the version number for compiz in your repo
[04:04] <Amaranth> it does
[04:05] <Amaranth> i'm bumped it 4 times since the repo was created
[04:05] <Amaranth> and it's always been like this
[04:05] <Amaranth> originally is was because the index had 'Priority: Optional' instead of 'Priority: optional'
[04:05] <Amaranth> but cprov fixed that
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:07] <snadge> being the tool that i am.. i'd almost suggest loading apt into a debugger
[04:08] <Amaranth> won't help
[04:08] <snadge> and setting a breakpoint where its figuring out whether the installed version is the same as the available one
[04:08] <Amaranth> you need apt to spit out it's reasoning, not follow it's code path
[04:15] <snadge> damn.. now i know why i never try and fix things in open source stuff.. i've wasted half a day and am no closer to figuring it out
[04:17] <DeepB> anyone tried Gutsy in MacBook Pro (SantaRosa) with nvidia?
[04:19] <anon32> Hey cool, there's one Microsoft package in Ubuntu
[04:19] <anon32> well, actually, two
[04:20] <Hobbsee> which?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> msttcorefonts, obviously
[04:21] <anon32> ironpython
[04:21] <snadge> i've got a few ideas.. install a backported apt/dpkg from gutsy
[04:21] <snadge> see if that fixes it
[04:22] <snadge> have a look at trevinos compiz-core package and see how it differs
[04:22] <snadge> im assuming that his repo doesnt suffer from this problem
[04:22] <Hobbsee> bah.  trevhino crack.  that'll break your system quicker than anything.
[04:22] <anon32> I can't run compiz because my screen resolution is higher than my maximum texture resolution..
[04:22] <snadge> i didnt say anything about installing it.. just looking at it
[04:22] <anon32> any workarounds for that?
[04:24] <snadge> the other option is to just install gutsy...
[04:24] <snadge> and pretend this problem never existed ;)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> anon32: ah
[04:25] <Hobbsee> snadge: you really dont want to backport dpkg and friend.s
[04:25] <Hobbsee> well, if you were, you may as well just run gutsy
[04:26] <anon32> quick question: why does the next codename start with 'H' again?
[04:26] <anon32> wouldn't it be more logical to use a new one?
[04:26] <snadge> well if gutsy is packaged the same as the feisty repo.. then it would point to a fault in the dpkg/apt in feisty
[04:27] <snadge> the next step would be to figure out what changes fixed the problem, possibly attempt to work around it
[04:31] <mrigns> I've a problem with kaffeine, seeking trough files is kind of impossible as terribly slow, actually it will freeze and crash kaffeine
[04:40] <snadge> i can't seem to be able to install the source package for trevinhos compiz
[04:40] <snadge> f$@# it.. i'll just install it
[04:42] <cwillu> what's the gutsy mailing list url?
[04:43] <RAOF> I don't think there is one, unless you mean the "gutsy-changes" list.
[04:49] <slimz> anyone know if there's a way to reset all ubuntu settings back to default without reinstalling completely? i've been using gutsy since tribe 1, and now it just a bit slow to boot up, no startup sound, no login sound, takes ~2-3 mins to login, but then works fine.
[04:51] <cwillu> dpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh might do something useful, although it won't uninstall extra packages that might be causing you grief
[04:51] <slimz> what's -phigh?
[04:52] <cwillu> the priority of question that you want to be bugged about
[04:52] <slimz> ahh
[04:52] <cwillu> might even go -pcritical, but I haven't tried it before
[04:53] <nickrud> and an aptitude full-upgrade can't hurt
[04:53] <slimz> dpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh wouldnt work
[04:53] <cwillu> I wonder, could you do something like marking everything for removal, reselecting ubuntu-desktop, and aptitude reinstalling?
[04:53] <slimz> Unknown option: l
[04:54] <nickrud> ohh, mark everything for reinstall, hope you have a big cache :)
[04:54] <slimz> im on  a junk laptop
[04:54] <slimz> 1.7 pentium M
[04:55] <cwillu> I need a bigger desk
[04:55] <nickrud> aptitude has a L <shift L> that marks for reinstall, by the way
[04:58] <anon32> gah, anyone know how to change default file icons?
[04:58] <nickrud> change the theme
[04:59] <anon32> ....no, for a specific filetype
[05:00] <nickrud> you could pick an icon you like, and drop it into a copy of the icon theme you're using and use that copy as your theme
[05:00] <anon32> .......no
[05:00] <nickrud> anon32, I'm not a real fan of how icon themes work either
[05:00] <anon32> :-\
[05:05] <Clinton__> Where/how can I determine if certain packages will be includes in Gutsy?
[05:06] <anon32> packages.ubuntu.com maybe?
[05:07] <Clinton__> ah, it is there
[05:07] <Clinton__> *sigh*  I last looked a few months ago
[05:08] <Clinton__> *sigh* and packages for Logitech's G15 keyboard still aren't going to be includes....
[05:27] <scizzo-> morning everyone
[06:07] <atrus> trying to print a landscape-oriented pdf to a portrait-oriented printer with evince in gutsy, but it stretches it instead of rotating it. suggestions?
[06:09] <thiebaude> how do i download 7.10 from the terminal, just for testing purposes?
[06:10] <scizzo-> just wanna upgrade a installation?
[06:10] <thiebaude> yup
[06:12] <scizzo-> changing the repositories I guess in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:14] <thiebaude> one i changed every occurance of fiesty to gustsy and nothing happened so i changed it back to feisty
[06:14] <thiebaude> gutsy
[06:15] <thiebaude> scizzo:i have a question about flash if you can help
[06:15] <iblicf> hi, i just add a user ..by edit /etc/passwd & group ,,something wrong occured ..can't use sudo now ,..
[06:15] <RAOF> iblicf: Why would you do something like that manually? :(
[06:16] <RAOF> iblicf: Recovery mode is your friend. :/
[06:16] <iblicf> coz i use SCO/AIX as that ..
[06:17] <iblicf> RAOF: recovery ...and use passwd my id?
[06:17] <RAOF> Since you're capable of adding a user by manually editing passwd & group, it should be a snap to fix it in recovery mode.
[06:17] <RAOF> iblicf: Well, you're root in recovery mode.  Just fix it :)
[06:17] <RAOF> You know how, right?
[06:18] <iblicf> RAOF: just ..a little strange ,..is that one security policy?
[06:19] <RAOF> iblicf: The thinking is that anyone who knows & cares enough to want physical security will also know and care enough to password protect grub :)
[06:20] <iblicf> a lesson to me :)
[06:23] <stefano> Could anyone tell me if it is possible to do a "distro-upgrade" on feisty to gutsy?
[06:23] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:23] <scizzo-> stefano: yes
[06:23] <stefano> I don't want to reinstall ubuntu from scratch.
[06:24] <stefano> Great! Know how?
[06:24] <RAOF> stefano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28tribe%29%7C%285%29
[06:24] <stefano> thanks
[06:25] <stefano> Will it be possible to revert back to feisty incase i don't like gutsy?
[06:25] <RAOF> No
[06:25] <stefano> lol ^^, do my themes stay?
[06:25] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:25] <RAOF> *All* your stuff stays.
[06:25] <stefano> RAOF, thanks for the info.
[06:26] <Toma-> also, report bugs on the upgrade process if anything bad happens
[06:26] <RAOF> It wouldn't be much of an upgrade if your settings & installed programs & stuff didn't cary over :)
[06:26] <scizzo-> what happens is that you get a bleeding edge version of most things and its not likely that everything will work
[06:27] <scizzo-> all your files and everything stays.....but program and packages are changing....
[06:45] <sboysel> hey i my usb external harddrive is no longer recognized after a gutsy upgrade
[06:45] <sboysel> any suggestions?
[06:51] <scizzo-> sboysel: does dmesg tell you anything?
[06:51] <sboysel> umm one sec
[06:52] <sboysel> can i send you the output?
[06:52] <sboysel> what should i look for
[06:53] <sboysel> my hd is connected via firewire
[06:54] <scizzo-> run a: tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[06:54] <scizzo-> gah!
[07:18] <scizzo-> hmm I don't dare to test the glxgears at the moment....would love to do that to test my settings with graphicscard and so on
[07:19] <Kousotu> Can Windows EXEs be run on linux except through wine?
[07:19] <scizzo-> Kousotu: you need a emulator
[07:19] <scizzo-> Kousotu: like wine
[08:03] <shirish> hi all, I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which?
[08:08] <Kousotu> shirish
[08:08] <Ayabara> I'm had issues with acrobat reader, so I decided to uninstall it and use Evince instead. Something's still wrong though. Every time I click a link to a pdf in evolution or firefox, firefox hangs.
[08:08] <Kousotu> the spped isn't that different
[08:08] <Kousotu> Ayabara: hapen to me n both window and linux
[08:09] <Kousotu> it's somewhat normal
[08:10] <Ayabara> Kousotu: so no fix for it? you just copy the link or download the pdf?
[08:10] <Kousotu> Ayabara: if you dl it should load fine, but I don't download many PDFs
[08:11] <Kousotu> so I can't attest to that
[08:11] <Ayabara> Kousotu: ok. thanks for the feedback :-)
[08:11] <Kousotu> no problem
[08:12] <Kousotu> glad I could povide it
[08:12] <Kousotu> xtknight you here?
[08:12] <shirish> Kousotu: you are wrong m8, there is a whole lotta difference, from 12 mbps to 480 mbps, that's quite a jump
[08:13] <Kousotu> shirish: ok, I have never noticed, betten answer?
[08:13] <Kousotu> better*
[08:13] <shirish> Ayabara: which version of firefox are you using, the 2.x series or 3.x series?
[08:13] <Kousotu> there's a 3.x series now??
[08:14] <shirish> Kousotu: do an search through synaptic or apt-get for firefox-granparadiso
[08:14] <Kousotu> shirish: does T5 have it?
[08:14] <mattyv> granparadiso is still alpha though
[08:15] <shirish> mattyv: right, but it has some cool features ;)
[08:15] <shirish> Kousotu: what's T5?
[08:15] <Kousotu> ...
[08:15] <Kousotu> T5 = Tricbe 5
[08:15] <Kousotu> tribe*
[08:15] <shirish> Kousotu: nope, its in the repository though, its not installed by default
[08:15] <mattyv> shirish: sure does, I'm using it exclusively on my gutsy box. Just thought I should mention the alphaness of it ;)
[08:16] <Ayabara> shirish: 2.0.0.6
[08:16] <shirish> mattyv: I know, I used to use it exclusively till I turned to minefield, pre 3a8 which has some more cooler features
[08:17] <shirish> Ayabara: did you upgrade, there have been 2 updates to 2.0.0.6 series IIRC
[08:17] <shirish> Ayabara: correction 3 updates, its now at 2.0.0.6ubuntu3
[08:18] <mattyv> shirish: ah yes I should have differentiated, I'm using minefield too, liking bookmark tags
[08:18] <Ayabara> shirish: how can I check if I have the ubuntu3-version?
[08:18] <shirish> mattyv: hmm.... I haven't used that service
[08:19] <shirish> Ayabara: simple, do a dpkg -l firefox that would give you the version no.
[08:19] <Kousotu> shirish: I have a bit of an issue, think you could help me with it?
[08:19] <Ayabara> shirish: 2.0.0.6+2-0ubuntu3
[08:20] <Kousotu> involves th Live cd
[08:20] <shirish> mattyv: I'm in organize bookmarks & don't see the tagging features
[08:20] <shirish> Kousotu: go ahead, maybe I know something maybe I don't
[08:20] <shirish> ;)
[08:20] <mattyv> shirish: use the little star near the go button, click it twice
[08:21] <shirish> mattyv: wow, that's cool ;)
[08:21] <shirish> mattyv: and this resides locally or does it get put up on a repository somewhere, something like del.ici.ous for e.g.
[08:21] <mattyv> yeh, not finished yet but it's a good advance
[08:22] <mattyv> shirish: think it's in the local places database, no doubt an extension could give that extra functinality though
[08:22] <shirish> mattyv: true, but it definitely improves my productivity quite a lot, I do hope they open it up
[08:22] <shirish> mattyv: yup, just what I was thinking ;)
[08:23] <Kousotu> shirish: I wanted to run the live CD on my grandmother's computer. the specs are 500mhz and 320mb ram, is that "useable"?
[08:23] <shirish> Kousotu: nope, I wouldn't say so
[08:24] <shirish> Kousotu: what I would suggest is you take xubuntu and that too the alternate install CD & install it.
[08:24] <shirish> Kousotu: she would get better bang for her buck there ;)
[08:24] <Kousotu> shirish: I can't install it
[08:24] <mattyv> shirish: the other recent addition I'm loving is the new address bar history behaviour, you noticed that?
[08:24] <Kousotu> and the reason I want to use the cd is to check the temps in her pc
[08:25] <Kousotu> I uspect there's something wrong with the fan
[08:25] <shirish> Kousotu: it's the same thing as a live CD, just has an ncurses interface
[08:25] <shirish> Kousotu: oh, hmm.... you could try it but it would take ages, there is whole lot of stuff the Live CD puts in memory, the least I would say is a p3 with 512 mb ram.
[08:26] <Kousotu> shirish: my grandmother WANTS windows Xp on her pc, I just want tocheck the thermal isues she's havingwith my Live cd
[08:26] <shirish> mattyv: what address bar history behavior?
[08:27] <jscinoz> Is there a fix to the bug which involves ALSA not working on intel cards in the .10 kernel?
[08:27] <shirish> Kousotu: I have tried to use Live CD's with lower specs, and its a pain, there are some switches which can do with lower specs machines, but the machine is really ancient, sorry
[08:27] <mattyv> shirish: start typing the title of a page you've visited into the address bar (rather than the url), it will find the page you're after. Much easier than remembering the url of some sites
[08:28] <shirish> mattyv: I didn't know that, that's cool, so its doing some remembering of the <TITLE> </TITLE> tag.
[08:28] <mattyv> shirish: yeah, another benefit of places :)
[08:29] <shirish> mattyv: true, I esp. liked the fact that they are using now sqlite, makes for more efficient usage of lot of things, memory, space etc.
[08:30] <mattyv> Indeed
[08:31] <jscinoz> How do i access the two new firefox features mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?
[08:33] <mattyv> jscinoz: One of them is through Tools > Addons > Get Ubuntu...or something like that
[08:33] <jscinoz> i see
[08:34] <jscinoz> thanks
[08:34] <jscinoz> whats the URL for the bug database thing again?
[08:35] <jscinoz> nevermind
[08:40] <shirish> Hobbsee: I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which? some way of probing, maybe with a thumb-drive or something?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> google
[08:41] <Hobbsee> ie, no
[08:41] <Hobbsee> well, there probably is, but iv'e not encountered it
[08:45] <DanaG> Plug stuff into devices, and look in hal-device-manager.
[08:45] <DanaG> I mean, plug a known USB2 device into each port, and look where it shows up in hal-device-manager.
[08:49] <shirish> ok guys, bbl
[08:51] <bronson> I was wondering somewhat the same thing as jscinoz...   How do I install Flash the Gutsy way?
[08:52] <bronson> I clicked around for a while but couldn't figure it out.
[08:52] <jscinoz> not sure.
[08:52] <jscinoz> mine was installed back on tribe 4
[08:52] <jscinoz> through apt
[08:58] <scizzo-> add/remove program
[08:59] <scizzo-> in there...there is a drop down menu.....click that and choose All Available applications.....search for restricted
[08:59] <scizzo-> there is a package they put together with loads of plugins....
[09:00] <scizzo-> but...if you only want the flashplayer then search for flashplayer
[09:01] <scizzo-> otherwise its the way RAOF said
[09:03] <RAOF> scizzo-: Also, the new ubufox *should* be automatically installing flashplugin-nonfree when you need it.  That's what they were talking about, I believe.
[09:03] <scizzo-> yes
[09:04] <avis> i have had issues on a clean install of gutsy where firefox would not add bookmarks (freeze at add new bookmark window) as well as freeze when doing things like a direct download from sourceforge.  will freeze upon spawning the dialog box window
[10:03] <Kousotu> why is the Tribe 5 CD so big?
[10:05] <Kousotu> !dvd
[10:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:05] <Kousotu> !mud
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <Kousotu> hey Hobbsee
[10:57] <RAOF> I am, of course, not disinterested in this.  If KDE *had* chosen to use GStreamer, there'd be more eyes looking at GST code, and it'd get better faster :)
[10:59] <pvandewyngaerde> i have to admit i am a KDE fanboy and it dont know exactly what gstreamer is capable of, but to me phonon sounds logic
[10:59] <RAOF> pvandewyngaerde: Basically, gstreamer is capable of everything :)
[11:00] <pvandewyngaerde> phonon will have sound categories, so you can mute flash audio with a phonon slider, while still listening to other categories of sound
[11:00] <pvandewyngaerde> like mail notifications
[11:00] <RAOF> pvandewyngaerde: GStreamer *already* does that.
[11:01] <RAOF> Implemented in last year's SoC :)
[11:01] <leperkhanz> Does everyone else get pretty much every 3d app crashing when compiz is running?
[11:02] <RAOF> leperkhanz: Welcome to the joy of nvidia.
[11:02] <leperkhanz> ah, that's an nvidia driver issue?
[11:02] <mattyv> was waiting for that RAOF :P
[11:02] <RAOF> Yes.  GL + Composite crashes X.
[11:02] <leperkhanz> Sad Face.
[11:03] <RAOF> !nouveau
[11:03] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[11:04] <pvandewyngaerde> RAOF: if gsteamer allready does that, it will be very easy to implement for the gstreamer backend,    maybe if it was named Kstreamer it could have had a chance :-)
[11:04] <RAOF> Indeed.  KDE seems to have a bit of a NIH complex.
[11:05] <RAOF> Gnome may have also, but I don't know enough non-gnome technology to know about it :)
[11:06] <pvandewyngaerde> RAOF:  lets say in 10 years,  kde will stil be using phonon, i dont know about gstreamer
[11:06] <RAOF> I don't see gstreamer going anywhere.
[11:07] <RAOF> And in 10 years time phonon won't look much like it does today, anyway.
[11:07] <RAOF> The name will be the same, but the code will be very different :)
[11:09] <pvandewyngaerde> RAOF:  maybe the backend code, but not the API for all other programs to use
[11:09] <RAOF> Maybe they won't *drop* any API, but there will certainly be API additions.
[11:11] <pvandewyngaerde> phonon targets only simple, " i want to play this sound/soundeffect "  for advanced audio dont use phonon
[11:11] <pvandewyngaerde> choose the -backend-of-the-moment- for advanced audio
[11:13] <RAOF> pvandewyngaerde: You know, the phonon sample code looks almost identical to a simple GStreamer application :)
[11:14] <jgm> Why doesn't someone write a new API that can use either GStreamer or Phonon underneath it then everyone (or perhaps no-one) will be happy?
[11:15] <RAOF> jgm: Because then you have an infinite stack of turtles :)
[11:16] <jgm> Of course, but in a world of choice surely infinite choice is the ultimate goal :)
[11:16] <RAOF> :P
[11:16] <RAOF> Of course, in a world with infinite choice, you actually have *no* choice :)
[11:16] <pvandewyngaerde> thats why KDE chose phonon and not a fixed backend
[11:17] <pvandewyngaerde> in reply to jgm, that is
[11:17] <praecox> hey guys
[11:17] <praecox> is there anyone can help me out with KMail problem after last upgrade?
[11:17] <RAOF> pvandewyngaerde: But phonon *is* a fixed backend.  It's just a fixed backend at a higher lever :)
[11:18] <praecox> I'm using Kubunty Gutsy.
[11:18] <pvandewyngaerde> layering is good for standardization in some way
[11:18] <praecox> http://pastebin.ca/675581
[11:19] <RAOF> pvandewyngaerde: But actually standardising is better :)
[11:19] <snadge> lol.. i just joined #windows and said "vista rules!"
[11:19] <praecox> here's my problem. after last daily upgrade KMail started saying: Unable to complete LIST operation. Invalid Response From Server.
[11:20] <praecox> and it's kinda odd, it has never happened before.
[11:21] <pvandewyngaerde> virus last !
[11:51] <richard> Going Ape!
[11:51] <richard> I just wanted to say, Gutsy has been pretty kick ass so far.
[11:52] <richard> There is an issue with the screen resolution though - the new GTK tool tells me I'm running at 1280x960 while xorg.conf tells me 1280x800
[12:00] <f0rqu3> :)
[12:35] <Infecto> hi
[12:35] <Infecto> some one use kmail?
[12:35] <leperkhanz> Die hard Thunderbird fan here.
[12:35] <Infecto> it hangs, and no crash but crash without any warning when i try to paste something
[12:35] <Infecto> in composer messsage window
[12:38] <Infecto> oits bug for it
[12:39] <leperkhanz> I'm using utorrent in wine, and for the life of me, I can't get it to display the window again. :(
[12:48] <motin> hey guys
[12:48] <motin> any wiki page up yet about how to install tribe 5 on a separate partition to be able to help out testing?
[12:49] <motin> I am all set for install I think, but I am not sure of where to put the bootloader
[12:49] <motin> on the last step in the installation process, there is an "advanced" dialogue that allows me to install the bootloader
[12:49] <motin> but I do not want to overwrite the existing one
[12:50] <motin> the root partition I am using for gutsy is /dev/sda4, does this mean I should install the bootloader to (hd0,3) ?
[12:51] <motin> i am sure many of you have done this. how did you do it?
[12:53] <praecox> Infecto, to jest babol w najnowszym upgradzie KMaila.
[12:53] <Infecto> praecox: no wlasnie obsysa strasznie
[12:55] <Infecto> ale to obsysa strasznie normalnie pracowac nie mozna :)
[12:56] <Infecto> infecto   7786  102  0.4  46620  4692 ?        RNl  12:55   0:12 /usr/lib/opera/plugins/operapluginwrapper 48 51 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[12:56] <Infecto> thats wery strange :)
[02:26] <tatters> where do I report centrino bg card (ipw2200) and a wireless pmcia card rt2500 both not working in gutsy?
[02:29] <motin> bump
[02:29] <motin> (10:48:24 AM) motin: hey guys
[02:29] <motin> (10:48:46 AM) motin: any wiki page up yet about how to install tribe 5 on a separate partition to be able to help out testing?
[02:29] <motin> (10:49:11 AM) motin: I am all set for install I think, but I am not sure of where to put the bootloader
[02:29] <motin> (10:49:45 AM) motin: on the last step in the installation process, there is an "advanced" dialogue that allows me to install the bootloader
[02:29] <motin> (10:49:58 AM) motin: but I do not want to overwrite the existing one
[02:29] <motin> (10:50:35 AM) motin: the root partition I am using for gutsy is /dev/sda4, does this mean I should install the bootloader to (hd0,3) ?
[02:29] <motin> (10:51:51 AM) motin: i am sure many of you have done this. how did you do it?
[02:32] <slytherin> tatters: where as in 'against which package'?
[02:32] <slytherin> motin: Why don't you want to overwrite existing one?
[02:33] <motin> slytherin: because I already have one which I do not want to break
[02:33] <motin> I want to chainload this bootloader instead
[02:33] <motin> as gutsy could be unstable I do not want it to interfere at all with my existing system
[02:33] <tatters> slytherin: what do mean against package?
[02:33] <slytherin> motin: Overwriting existing will not break anything. It will have entries for all the OS
[02:34] <motin> slytherin: aha so no gain to install the bootloader on the partition and chainloading instead then?
[02:34] <slytherin> tatters: You asked, 'where do I report'. What do you mean exactly?
[02:34] <slytherin> motin: Nope. Unless there are more than 1 boot loaders from which you want to chainload the gutsy bootloader
[02:35] <tatters> where do I find out if they working on the bugs for my cards and if no bug reported, how do I begin the process.
[02:36] <motin> tatters: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:36] <slytherin> tatters: http://launchpad.net
[02:37] <tatters> k ,thnx
[02:37] <motin> tatters: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[02:38] <blekos> hi, i'm actually running kubuntu, could you tell me how can I upgrade w/o downloading the cd?
[02:39] <motin> blekos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5
[02:39] <motin> read first part "Upgrading from Feisty"
[02:39] <Stormx2> http://pastebin.ca/675711 <-- I need a hand. Apt issues :(
[02:40] <blekos> sorry, logged out, do u know how I can upgrade to guttsy w/o downloading the cd? (i'm using kubuntu)
[02:41] <motin> (12:39:08 PM) motin: blekos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5
[02:41] <motin> (12:39:09 PM) blekos left the room (quit: Client Quit).
[02:41] <motin> (12:39:19 PM) motin: read first part "Upgrading from Feisty"
[02:41] <rohan> it's final the ubuntu wont have xserver 1.4 ?? especially now that its releasing tomorrow itself ?
[02:42] <slytherin> Stormx2: The package file for dpkg seems to be corrupted. Try deleting it from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:42] <Stormx2> slytherin: I tried that, but it didn't work...
[02:43] <slytherin> rohan: I think gutsy will have 1.3 only. gutsy has already crossed feature freeze
[02:43] <slytherin> Stormx2: What happens after that?
[02:43] <Stormx2> Same thing I think, hold on.
[02:43] <rohan> slytherin: oh, damn ..
[02:43] <slytherin> Stormx2: Try changing mirror.
[02:43] <Stormx2> slytherin: Ooh good idea :)
[02:44] <rohan> also, how about eclipse 3.3 ? having 3.2 now is so strange .. espcially when 3.3 was released ages ago !!
[02:45] <Stormx2> slytherin: if I changed to say, france, would that have any impact language-wise?
[02:45] <slytherin> Stormx2: nope
[02:46] <slytherin> rohan: File a UVF and beg someone in #ubuntu-motu to provide necessary info. I am also surprised eclipse 3.3 is not there. Can't really help since I have no net connection at home. :-(
[02:47] <asisak> rohan, slytherin https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046 describes how to fill UVFe requests
[02:48] <slytherin> coNP: I know the process. But as I said I can't help as I don't have net connection at home. :-)
[02:48] <coNP> slytherin: okay. I am sorry. :)
[02:49] <slytherin> coNP: By the way, you are the one who files UVF for bluez-gnome, right?
[02:49] <coNP> No. But I have bugged the people to do that...
[02:49] <coNP> !info bluez-gnome gutsy
[02:49] <ubotu> bluez-gnome: Bluetooth utilities for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 0.13-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 688 kB
[02:50] <coNP> It seems to be done since.
[02:50] <slytherin> coNP: Yes. I think it was uploaded sometime yesterday.
[02:53] <Stormx2> slytherin: I switched to the irish mirror. Same thing happened.
[02:53] <Stormx2> slytherin: Also if it were corrupt, wouldn't checksums nab it?
[02:54] <Stormx2> I think I'll reboot, that might help I guess.
[02:54] <rohan> slytherin: are you filing a UVF then ?
[02:54] <rohan> Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested! You will need this anyway to provide proper diffstats and buildlogs.
[02:55] <slytherin> rohan: Nope. Better you do. I don't have net connection at home and gmail access is blocked at work. So I can't do any bug activity these days.
[02:55] <saxi1> I'm currently on a fresh install of Ubuntu Gutsy. The compiz-fusion effects are working great, but is there any place where I can do some changes? Or do I need to download a program to do that? If so, what is it called?
[02:56] <rohan> slytherin: well i can't either, because i don't know how to create an eclipse package
[02:56] <slytherin> rohan: If you have never built any package, find someone on #ubuntu-motu who will file the UVF for you.
[02:56] <rohan> slytherin: i've built packages, but nothing as complex as eclipse
[02:56] <rohan> and compiling eclipse is not my cup of tea
[02:56] <slytherin> rohan: :-)
[02:56] <rohan> i guess just wait for fedora 8 to release .. it has eclipse 3.3 :P
[02:57] <coNP> It is really not trivial to make such an upgrade
[02:57] <slytherin> rohan: Anyway, see if you can at least request someone on motu channel
[02:57] <rohan> slytherin: https://launchpad.net/bugs/123064
[02:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123064 in eclipse "Upgrade to Eclipse 3.3" [Wishlist,In progress] 
[02:57] <coNP> Wow. Deadwill is working on that :)
[02:57] <slytherin> rohan: Great
[02:57] <rohan> slytherin: on #ubuntu-motu deadwill told me he is
[02:58] <slytherin> saxi1: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:58] <saxi1> slytherin: Thanks :-)
[03:13] <Stormx2> Damnit
[03:13] <Stormx2> Still won't work :(
[03:13] <Stormx2> I have no idea what to do...
[03:14] <snadge> inject some heroin?
[03:14] <Stormx2> i already tried that.
[03:14] <Stormx2> slytherin, you about?
[03:15] <slytherin> Stormx2: yup
[03:15] <slytherin> Stormx2: Are you seeing the problem today only?
[03:16] <Stormx2> slytherin:If I use the update-manager, and disable the dpkg upgrade, it fails on the next package.
[03:16] <Stormx2> slytherin: Yeah
[03:17] <slytherin> Stormx2: So looks like problem with all the packages
[03:17] <Stormx2> slytherin, surely not? o.O Surely it's dpkg at fault or some bad config.
[03:17] <Stormx2> I've only had this since last night.
[03:20] <slytherin> Stormx2: Do one thing. Delete dpkg*.deb from apt cache. Then do 'sudo apt-get --ignore-missing -no-download dist-upgrade'
[03:20] <Stormx2> okay :O
[03:20] <Stormx2> But, like I said, it affects every package...
[03:20] <slytherin> Stormx2: Let us see
[03:21] <Stormx2> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic_2.6.22-10.25_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:21] <Stormx2>  failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libcurl3-gnutls': Input/output error
[03:22] <Stormx2> Interesting that it always lists libcurl3-gnutls
[03:22] <Stormx2> Maybe that is the source of the error?
[03:22] <Stormx2> Synaptic is broken tho. It crashes once it has completed a search
[03:23] <Stormx2> maybe i can just scroll to it
[03:23] <slytherin> Stormx2: Are there any broken packages?
[03:23] <slytherin> Stormx2: sudo apt-get -f install
[03:24] <Stormx2> None.
[03:24] <Stormx2> How can I reinstall libcurl3-gnutls from CLI?
[03:24] <Pici> Have you cleared the apt-cache and tried to re-update/upgrade?
[03:24] <Stormx2> Pici: Yep.
[03:24] <Pici> hmm
[03:25] <Pici> it always says:  failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libcurl3-gnutls'?
[03:25] <Stormx2> Yeah.
[03:25] <slytherin> Stormx2: One last thing, because I am out of idea. do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
[03:25] <Stormx2> slytherin, tried it.
[03:25] <Stormx2> Same result.
[03:25] <Pici> Stormx2: Did you system happen to crash or were you forced to do a hard reboot lately?
[03:26] <Stormx2> Pici: Well, that happened just now, but the issue was present before then
[03:26] <Stormx2> It might have happened last night, when the issue started.
[03:26] <Stormx2> I can't remember.
[03:26] <Stormx2> gutsy seems to have got a lot less stable over the past few days.
[03:27] <Pici> Stormx2: I'd suggest first doing `sudo touch /forcefsck` to force a fsck at next reboot.
[03:27] <Pici> If that doesnt fix it I have one other idea.
[03:27] <Stormx2> Okay.
[03:28] <Stormx2> give it a few, I'm writing something first.
[03:29] <Pici> Move /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcurl3-gnutls.list
[03:29] <Pici> Stormx2: Move that somewhere, and then try to update/upgrade again.
[03:29] <Stormx2> Okay.
[03:29] <Pici> I'm guessing you wont be able to move it though, sounds like something got corrupt on the HD.
[03:30] <Stormx2> Hmm yeah
[03:30] <Stormx2> maybe
[03:30] <Stormx2> Hmm
[03:30] <Stormx2> I could move it.
[03:30] <Stormx2> No prob.
[03:31] <Pici> Okay, hopefully this works /me crosses fingers
[03:31] <Stormx2> I did an apt-get clean tho.
[03:31] <Stormx2> Just out of deperation
[03:31] <Stormx2> so its re-downloading the packages.
[03:32] <Stormx2> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libcurl3-gnutls' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[03:32] <Stormx2> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[03:32] <Stormx2> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[03:32] <Stormx2> That's all.
[03:33] <Pici> what about forcing a reinstall of libcur3-gnutls
[03:34] <Stormx2> Pici, how?
[03:34] <Pici> Stormx2: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libcurl3-gnutls
[03:34] <Stormx2> Pici, gedit was acting all slow when I tried to edit the file. Maybe there is a disk problem.
[03:35] <Pici> Stormx2: Thats not good.
[03:35] <Stormx2> Wow
[03:36] <Stormx2> Whole bunch of new errors
[03:36] <Stormx2> I'll pastebin.
[03:36] <Stormx2> Pici: http://pastebin.ca/675757
[03:37] <Stormx2> Read-only filesystem
[03:37] <Stormx2> :P
[03:37] <Stormx2> Time for a fsck.
[03:37] <Pici> Yes.
[03:37] <Pici> I agree.
[03:37] <Stormx2> barney@spadge:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo touch /forcefsck
[03:37] <Stormx2> touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system
[03:37] <Stormx2> ...
[03:37] <Stormx2> Damnit.
[03:38] <Stormx2> I'll reboot anyway.
[03:39] <Pici> Stormx2: Maybe restart into single us... er nevermind
[03:46] <Stormx2> Pici, lawl. i had about a bajillion errors.
[03:46] <Pici> Yikes.
[03:47] <Stormx2> ut
[03:47] <Stormx2> But*
[03:47] <Stormx2> everything has booted fine.
[03:48] <Pici> Stormx2: You may need to move that file back for it to work... if its going to work. But try both ways.
[03:50] <Stormx2> Pici, is there actual physical damage done to my hard disk drive, or is it just data corruption?
[03:51] <Pici> Stormx2: I dont know. :/
[03:53] <mendred> hi in dolphin how can i remove the text from the toolbar buttons?
[03:53] <Seeker`> i'm having problems with my soundcard - it isn't being detected
[03:54] <Stormx2> Woh!
[03:54] <Stormx2> it's working!
[03:54] <Pici> yay!
[03:54] <Stormx2> and slytherin
[03:55] <slytherin> Stormx2: I didn't do anything. :-O
[03:55] <Stormx2> Yeah but you tried to help :O
[03:55] <slytherin> mendred: What is dolphin?
[03:55] <Pici> slytherin: kde4
[03:55] <slytherin> Pici: ahh
[03:55] <mendred> Pici: i am actually using the kde3 one
[03:56] <slytherin> Seeker`: Which sound card?
[03:56] <mendred> Pici: its pretty nice..after some tweaks
[03:56] <Pici> mendred: Oh.   Well, I have 0 familiarity with KDE at all :/
[03:56] <mendred> Pici: ok :)
[03:58] <Seeker`> slytherin: Its an onboard one on my motherboard
[03:59] <slytherin> Seeker`: Please paste the output of lspci in some pastebin
[04:00] <Seeker`> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/386
[04:01] <slytherin> Seeker`: hey, I see a lot of unknown devices. Better fiel a bug
[04:02] <Seeker`> :(
[04:04] <Seeker`> slytherin: Is there anywhere in particular i should file it?
[04:05] <slytherin> Seeker`: launchpad.net
[04:06] <slytherin> Seeker`: By the way, which sound did you try to play?
[04:08] <Seeker`> various things; mp3s, wav, videos
[04:08] <Seeker`> I'm not getting any sounds on startup either
[04:09] <slytherin> Seeker`: hmm
[04:11] <Seeker`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/135843
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135843 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Many "Unknown Devices" in output of lspci" [Undecided,New] 
[05:03] <sdest> im having an issue with window selection after the last update, i click on the different windows on the taskbar to get focus just fine, but clicking on the windows themselves doesnt do anything, is anyone else getting something like this?
[05:05] <lubosz> hi
[05:05] <lubosz> i it true that there is no gnome splash screen in gutsy? (i just get a brownish solid color after login)
[05:06] <lubosz> 169 ilders in here :D ?
[05:07] <sdest> lubosz: i dont get a splash screen either, i guess it is gone
[05:07] <Pici> lubosz: On an upgrade from feisty to gutsty, I still have a splash screen
[05:08] <lubosz> hm, a lot of upgrades don't
[05:08] <sdest> im using a fresh install
[05:08] <lubosz> i thought its maybe an ubuntustudio issue
[05:08] <lubosz> can you install gutsy from scratch?
[05:08] <lubosz> without dist upgrading
[05:08] <Pici> You can, I didnt.
[05:13] <jeffferrari> lol, I'm a bit late for the convo but I noticed my splash missing on a clean install
[05:13] <jeffferrari> been fiddling around with other things, and at some stage I fixed it accidentally
[05:13] <jeffferrari> I can confirm with clean install it appears missing on my amd64
[05:25] <sayers> where do I get the airplane effects?
[05:26] <Pici> sayers: I think its one of the animation drop-downs
[05:26] <sayers> ah got it on random
[05:26] <sayers> oh thats cool I guess.
[05:26] <sayers> over rated :D
[05:26] <jj_> has anyone tried using the text based installer on an empty partition, next to a Vista installed partition? Will grub be able to dual boot out of the box?
[05:41] <Solarion>  umm, why am I suddenly being told that "Hibernate is not available on this computer"?
[05:53] <SoulChild> How do i make GRUB write the path of an HD isntead of the UUID ???
[05:59] <SoulChild> How to I refresh the UUID's of my Partition, cause whenever Grub is updated, they are wrong ?
[06:02] <mamefan> SoulChild:  have a look at vol_id
[06:03] <SoulChild> mamefan: is that a package or a config file ?
[06:03] <mamefan> a binary (on my system it's /sbin/vol_id)
[06:08] <stefano> Wow, Gusty is one of a kind.
[06:08] <stefano> I am seeing in my mind that by the time it gets to 8 or 9, vista will be eating dust... or just being booted to play games.
[06:10] <stefano> If anyone is present, could he/she please tell my why isn't glx enabled?
[06:10] <stefano> Fresh dist-upgrade and the xserver doesn't have the glx extention.
[06:13] <mamefan> stefano:  what video card?
[06:13] <stefano> Nvidia Gf 6600
[06:14] <stefano> The "closed source" drivers were loaded at start up.
[06:14] <stefano> Maybe if I restart it would load them up?
[06:15] <mamefan> I've never had it work properly until I manually install the NVIDIA drivers from NVIDIA.  The lum driver has not worked for me.
[06:15] <mamefan> It's probably 'cause of my config though.  I expect a "clean" install of gutsy would work fine.
[06:15] <stefano> hmmm... Thats odd, but stuff happens.  Yeah same here.
[06:16] <stefano> I had so much problems after i manually installed alsa 1.0.14, i had to reinstall the nvidia driver every time i restarted the computer. Xserver kept complaining about not finding the drivers :(
[06:17] <stefano> I suppose that gutsy comes with alsa 1.0.14, right?
[06:17] <mamefan> Yup.
[06:17] <stefano> On the whole, gutsy is one of a kind.
[06:17] <mamefan> stefano:  Though that's another area of concern for me.  I end up building my own hacked alsa to get my sound working correctly.
[06:18] <stefano> I am seriously looking forward for version 8.00 or 9.00, that will be on par or even better than vista.
[06:18] <mamefan> From my point of view Gutsy is already better than Vista.
[06:19] <mamefan> Of course I've spent countless hours getting that way.
[06:19] <stefano> mamefan: I was trying to do the same thing, because i have a 7.1 realtek integrated card.
[06:19] <mamefan> stefano:  alsa?  What's not working for you?
[06:20] <stefano> mamefan: Well it is better on every part you look at it, Ubuntu owns, but gaming.
[06:20] <mamefan> I'm not a gamer so I couldn't say.
[06:21] <stefano> mamefan: The card was recognized as to have more than 2channels... i could set it up on the volume control, but it just kept on working as a 2ch.
[06:21] <mamefan> stefano:  check over in #alsa.  They've alway had  my answers.
[06:21] <stefano> Is it that i have to have something that is 5.1 to actually hear them all?
[06:22] <stefano> mamefan: I didn't know they had a channel, i am going right over there and squeezing out the answers ^^
[06:22] <stefano> mamefan: Don't you play any game?
[06:23] <stefano> mamefan: You must be a hard core programmer or a very hard working person.
[06:23] <mamefan> hehe:  not really.
[06:24] <mamefan> stefano:  i'm a M.A.M.E (www.mame.net) fan.  Any games produced after about 1986 are not really interesting to me.
[06:25] <stefano> mamefan: Wow, well, i can't complain... mame has its cool games.
[06:29] <jelabarre> I'm trying to increase the number of workspaces in Workspace Switcher 2.19.6 (gutsy tribe 5), but in the preferences dialogue where it would usually show the number of workspaces, it only shows the nimber of rows I want to put those workspaces in
[06:30] <jelabarre> has this been moved (at least with compiz fusion), have I simply forgotten how to edit it, or is this a defect?
[06:34] <Pici> jelabarre: You may need to use the compizconfig-settings-manager to configure that.
[06:37] <jelabarre> I have the compizconfig-settings-manager package installed, but no executable for it
[06:38] <multiverse> I recently purchased a Lenovo Thinkpad R61, which has a very new nVIDIA graphics card.  I decided to install Ubuntu and eventually had to move to 7.10 tribe 5 in the hopes the drivers were newer too.  Ubuntu 7.10 tribe 5 Alternate CD file list - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-amd64.list - lists only one nVIDIA related package:  /pool/restricted/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20051028
[06:40] <mluser> anyone having any problems with the latest kubuntu usplash update?
[06:40] <jelabarre> hmmmm...   took a little while for it to show up in the menu...
[06:44] <multiverse> During the install a probe occurs, but it fails to find the nVIDIA.  This failure is demonstrated by the discrepancy I posted above.  I suspect that Tribe 5 didn't get the packages after all, or the installer has a bug.
[06:58] <jelabarre> OK, so I've gone through all the obvious (and many not so obvious) possibilities in compizconfig-settings-manager for the workspace switcher settings, and I see nothing for changing the number of workspaces
[06:58] <Pici> jelabarre: I believe its in the general settings. I'm not sure which tab, I dont have it here.
[06:58] <albert23> jelabarre: in CCSM try general options, tab desktop size, horizontal virtual size
[06:58] <jelabarre> there's a setting called "number of desktops" under the "Desktop Size" tab, but changing that doesn't change anything
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[07:06] <jelabarre> would simply uninstalling all compiz packages be enough to disable compiz & all it's affects, or do I have to remove other packages as well?
[07:08] <albert23> jelabarre: did you already try to switch compiz off in appearance, tab desktop effects?
[07:11] <jelabarre> OK, that's the switch I was looking for.  The major 2 things I wanted compiz for were the window wall & the workspace cube.  But if I can't even get those to work, then the rest is a hinderance
[07:13] <stefano> Hello guys, i am wondering. If i install gutsy tribe 5, as the continue updating it and hopefully release the final, will the updates continue?
[07:14] <stefano> what i am trying to say, will it keep upgrading until the final?
[07:16] <multiverse> Hi all, sorry for the repost, but I am trying to learn about how everything gets packaged up!
[07:16] <multiverse> I recently purchased a Lenovo Thinkpad R61, which has a very new nVIDIA graphics card.  I decided to install Ubuntu and eventually had to move to 7.10 tribe 5 in the hopes the drivers were newer too.  Ubuntu 7.10 tribe 5 Alternate CD file list - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-amd64.list - lists only one nVIDIA related package:  /pool/restricted/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20051028
[07:16] <multiverse> I can't seem to find the packages in Tribe 5.
[07:19] <albert23> multiverse: In Synaptic I also see nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[07:20] <multiverse> I am using the 64 bit Alt CD, which contains only:  ./n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20051028+1ubuntu7_all.deb
[07:20] <multiverse> So when I install, I never get video.
[07:20] <multiverse> So I cannot install the package you just pointed me to.
[07:21] <albert23> Well, I don't know how I got these packages listed, but I also used Alternate 64 bit to install
[07:21] <lunitik> What does the 'enterprise' tag on some packages entail? I thought Ubuntu wasn't differentiating between Enterprise and Home use?
[07:22] <multiverse> Are you installing onto Thinkpad R61?
[07:22] <multiverse> I guess this sounds like a bug, am I right?
[07:22] <albert23> No, on a laptop with Intel graphics.
[07:22] <multiverse> Should I go file a bug ticket?
[07:23] <albert23> My sound works when I compile alsa myself, with a patch for the realtek codec
[07:23] <multiverse> albert23, I can't see a console, so I can't install the recommended package.
[07:24] <albert23> There are already many bugs for intel-hda sound, so you could better find a listed bug and add your comments there
[07:24] <multiverse> I would like to see the newer nVIDIA driver be a part of the install.
[07:24] <lunitik> multiverse: ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work?
[07:24] <multiverse> ALbert, I'm talking about the nVIDIA thing, not sound.
[07:24] <multiverse> No it doesn't.  Let me give you a link:
[07:25] <multiverse> http://allostalk.com/showthread.php?s=daa7ea33221dcf4238a2ca6efc6f2101&p=3272118
[07:26] <stefano> Could anyone tell me if any update will be done to tribe5 when gutsy gets release?
[07:27] <stefano> Or will there be parts that will still be tribe5 and i will need to reinstall the release anew?
[07:28] <albert23> multiverse: I think you could try to get in vesa mode, using a boot option like vga=771
[07:30] <albert23> stefano: I have seen some small differences between updated tribe 3 and a fresh tribe 4 install, so no guarantees from me
[07:30] <albert23> for example, sensors-appplet works in the updated tribe 3, but does not work in fresh tribe 4
[07:31] <stefano> Well, it really isn't that important, i could just spend a whole day putting back my stuff :D
[07:32] <albert23> I will just see if things I want to have are working fine. If not, then re-install
[07:32] <stefano> Yeah, that is what i am planning.
[07:32] <stefano> Is long as my ubuntu partition isn't junked up by useless old things, it is all fine.
[07:33] <albert23> My /var/cache/apt/archive is filling up nicely :-)
[07:34] <stefano> hmm, about that... When you remove an app throu apt-get.. How do you make sure it removes the specific catch files?
[07:34] <stefano> Just to make sure it doesn't take the all out.
[07:35] <albert23> I don't know, but I don't think the cache is very critical. It's just a cache
[07:36] <stefano> It is! ^^ Saves you countless seconds of your life reinstalling apps that have turned the back on the user.
[07:37] <multiverse> Thanks albert, I'll report back
[07:39] <albert23> stefano: well, I don't expect apt-get will throw away everything. Just a few files will not take too much time (I am on broadband)
[08:03] <mrtimdog> Hi, is there any way of listing, or creating a synaptic filter for, all packages which have no dependants, i.e., leaf packages?
[08:04] <asisak> mrtimdog: you can list every package and look if it has rdepends
[08:04] <asisak> Does not seem optimal, but seems to work :)
[08:06] <mrtimdog> asisak: Thanks, just looking into it...
[08:12] <casey_lap> what's the procedure for initiating an upgrade to gutsy via Synaptic?
[08:13] <casey_lap> i have update-manager 0.59.23 installed
[08:13] <casey_lap> yeah, sorry, i meant UM
[08:13] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[08:13] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:13] <casey_lap> there's no gutsy notes there
[08:13] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: same procedure
[08:14] <casey_lap> doesn't seem to work
[08:14] <casey_lap> I run "update-manager -d" and it doesn't show an Upgrade button
[08:14] <thoreauputic> !doesntworh
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesntworh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <thoreauputic> !doesntwork
[08:14] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:14] <casey_lap> thanks for that :-/
[08:14] <mikl> hmm, the option to add more virtual desktops has disappeared from the Workspace Switcher Preferences - does anyone know how else to change it?
[08:15] <casey_lap> so what is the procedure? "Run 'update-manager -d'" is the official procedure?
[08:15] <asisak> casey_lap: update-manager -c -d
[08:15] <casey_lap> that's the one I was looking for
[08:15] <casey_lap> thanks, asisak
[08:15] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: gutsy isn't released yet so you won't get the upgrade option as such
[08:15] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: asisak has the answer :)
[08:16] <asisak> thoreauputic: sure, but #ubuntu+1 is a channel for gutsy
[08:16] <casey_lap> even with -c -d it says I don't have any new updates :-/
[08:16] <asisak> I hope casey_lap knows what he intends to do :D
[08:16] <casey_lap> i do
[08:16] <asisak> casey_lap: are you sure the mirror you are using has gutsy available as well?
[08:16] <casey_lap> i complete fscked my desktop by just changed all feisty to gutsy in sources.list, but my laptop has been grand with upgrades
[08:16] <thoreauputic> asisak: ummm - yes - I just meant that the uograde-manager won't offer it yet without the extra switch
[08:17] <casey_lap> wow...worst grammar ever in my sentence above o.0
[08:17] <casey_lap> which mirror should i be using?
[08:17] <asisak> s/feisty/gutsy/ on /etc/sources.list
[08:17] <mikl> casey_lap: if you do upgrade, remember to remove *ALL* 3rd party packages first
[08:17] <casey_lap> that hosed my desktop
[08:17] <casey_lap> gdm wouldn't even start when i forced it
[08:18] <casey_lap> mikl: is there a quick way to do that? I.e., can I wildcard it?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: what does lsb_release -a tell you ?
[08:18] <mikl> casey_lap: as asisak said and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade to be sure you've got everything
[08:18] <casey_lap> no LSB modules available
[08:19] <mikl> casey_lap: just remove all 3rd party repositories from sources.list
[08:19] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: you should see another 4 lines
[08:19] <casey_lap> No LSB modules are available.
[08:19] <casey_lap> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[08:19] <casey_lap> Description:	Ubuntu 7.04
[08:19] <casey_lap> Release:	7.04
[08:19] <casey_lap> Codename:	feisty
[08:20] <mikl> casey_lap: aptitude (or synaptic) has a category of "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages"
[08:20] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: OK so you haven't completed an upgrade, right?
[08:20] <casey_lap> no
[08:20] <casey_lap> i'm trying to get one started...this was a fresh install of Feisty
[08:20] <mikl> casey_lap: those not in a repository currently enabled ends up there, so you can just purge them all in one fell swoop by pressing _ on the headline in aptitude :)
[08:20] <thoreauputic> casey_lap: do you have all gutsy sources in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:21] <casey_lap> no
[08:21] <casey_lap> i was very wary of changing those
[08:21] <casey_lap> that's how i "upgraded" a rock-solid feisty install on my desktop into tardzone
[08:22] <casey_lap> gdm wouldn't even start when i rebooted
[08:22] <mikl> casey_lap: that is wise - be sure to be ready when you do and then run dist-upgrade, not just normal upgrade
[08:23] <casey_lap> ok...so I *should* change all my sources in sources.list, and then do a dist-upgrade?
[08:29] <mikl> casey_lap: only after you've removed 3rd party packages, but yes
[08:29] <casey_lap> i nuked automatix (yeah, yeah) and easyubuntu via synaptic
[08:29] <rsthree> has anybody tried gutsy tribe 5 with a dell inspiron 1420n?
[08:29] <casey_lap> do i need to remove java and the like?
[08:29] <asisak> casey_lap: depends on which jre / jde and how it got installed
[08:29] <casey_lap> i better be on the safe side
[08:29] <mikl> casey_lap: you'll lose nothing by removing it before
[08:29] <casey_lap> ok
[08:29] <mikl> but remember to use the purge operation
[08:29] <casey_lap> doh, right so
[08:29] <mikl> and check if Synaptic shows remaining configuration for any packages - you might as well get rid of the cruft while you can :)
[08:29] <casey_lap> where in synap?
[08:29] <mikl> casey_lap: I'll just check
[08:29] <casey_lap> thanks
[08:29] <mikl> casey_lap: I don't have any of that, but I think when you do, it's when you press the status button
[08:29] <casey_lap> hmm
[08:29] <mikl> Not installed (remaining configuration) or something like that
[08:29] <casey_lap> i have a load of codecs and the like installed
[08:29] <casey_lap> but i'm leaving them in therfe
[08:29] <casey_lap> -f
[08:29] <mikl> Installed (local or obsolete) is the one I mentioned before
[08:29] <casey_lap> right...so change my sources now and dist-upgrade, correct?
[08:30] <mikl> casey_lap: yes, if you have gotten rid of the 3rd party packages (medibuntu etc.)
[08:31] <casey_lap> hmmm
[08:32] <casey_lap> alright, i removed my codecs :'(
[08:34] <casey_lap> and the adventure begins
[08:34] <rexy_> If i boot the kernel/initrd of the hd for a network install, will it mount that disk or create it;s own in memory fs(trying to boot it of a disk that needs to be repartitioned)
[09:14] <bullgard4> swsusp.txt of kernel 2.6.20 writes: "Make sure that your disk drivers (ahci, ata_pci) are built into the kernel." Are the modules ahci, ata_pci per default already built into the kernel 2.6.22?
[09:18] <mikl> bullgard4: as far as I remember, yes, ubuntu has those modules compiled in
[09:19] <mikl> Ubuntu's kernel is more or less completely monolithic
[09:26] <peepsalot> what's the download link for ISOs?
[09:27] <peepsalot> i can't find a link from ubuntu.com
[09:27] <bullgard4> mikl: Thank you.
[09:28] <peepsalot> nevermind
[09:30] <mikl> peepsalot: I take it you found it?
[09:30] <peepsalot> yeah
[09:30] <bullgard4> mikl: But my question was if they are built into the kernel. not just as modules.
[09:31] <mikl> peepsalot: good - enjoy. Gutsy is looking good
[09:31] <mikl> bullgard4: they are
[09:31] <mrtimdog> asisak: Thanks for the leaf package hint. I've now got a little script: apt-leaves that does the trick :)
[09:31] <asisak> I guess it was not me :)
[09:31] <mikl> bullgard4: that's what I meant by monolithic
[09:32] <bullgard4> mikl: Ok, thank you.
[09:32] <asisak> mrtimdog: but if you have the script somewhere available (pastebin) I would be interested
[09:32] <peepsalot> mikl, i entered a bug that happens on my hardware about a year or so ago.  a few days ago someone asked in the bug comments for me to try it with gutsy.  i'm curious if it was actually fixed
[09:32] <mrtimdog> pastebin?
[09:33] <mikl> peepsalot: well, you never know - often a new kernel version fixes a lot of stuff
[09:33] <mrtimdog> asisak: Just for fun, as a one liner:
[09:33] <mrtimdog> for p in $(dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}');{ [[ $(apt-cache rdepends $p|wc -l) -gt 2 ] ]  || echo $p;}
[09:33] <asisak> Oh that is what you mean by leaf :)
[09:33] <asisak> Then sure, I was the one who gave the hint :)
[09:34] <peepsalot> mikl, i'm curious, but not too hopeful.  this computer has turned out to be one of the worst purchases I've ever made.  I'm never buying VIA hardware again
[09:34] <asymetrical> Did the kernel update yesteday break the Nvidia restricted drivers because of the kernel mismatch?
[09:34] <mikl> peepsalot: yes, VIA is not known for quality, sadly
[09:35] <mikl> I have come to enjoy Intel chipsets very much these last years
[09:35] <peepsalot> do nforce chipsets have good compatibility with linux?
[09:36] <Arwen> no
[09:36] <mikl> peepsalot: if memory serves, nVidia have released proprietary drivers for them only
[09:36] <mikl> peepsalot: so no proper drivers, only binary blobs :(
[09:36] <peepsalot> what is a good mobo chipset for AMD cpus?
[09:37] <peepsalot> the intel boards have open drivers?
[09:38] <mikl> well, I'll have to pass on that one - I haven't used anything AMD with Linux for some years
[09:38] <pwnguin> my nforce3 runs fine
[09:39] <peepsalot> pwnguin, do you use things like suspend or hibernate?
[09:39] <mikl> peepsalot: yes - everything works out-of-the-box on Ubuntu on all my Intel-based machines :D
[09:39] <pwnguin> peepsalot: on my desktop? i tried, but it doesn't seem to work
[09:40] <mikl> peepsalot: Intel wireless chips require proprietary firmware, but it is included with Ubuntu
[09:40] <asymetrical> Does anyone know if the kernel upgrade from yesterday mismatched the nvidia drivers and caused X to fail
[09:40] <peepsalot> so does gutsy really have this "bulletproof" X i have heard about?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> asymetrical: no issues here
[09:41] <gnomefreak> peepsalot: yes its not turned on yet though
[09:41] <gnomefreak> peepsalot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post3223971
[09:41] <mikl> peepsalot: I've not had the "pleasure" of needing it yet, but it's going to work for the final release
[09:41] <gnomefreak> that from the X developer
[09:43] <peepsalot> hmm, ok.  so there is still a xorg.conf file.  i thought I heard they would somehow do away with it
[09:46] <pwnguin> peepsalot: thats somewhat seperate from bulletproof
[09:46] <peepsalot> pwnguin, is there a word for that?
[09:47] <peepsalot> and is/will it be implemented in Gutsy
[09:47] <pwnguin> xserver 1.4
[09:47] <pwnguin> which by all counts is released too late for gutsy
[09:49] <peepsalot> hmm, so it is at least going from 1.2 to 1.3, i wonder how much different those versions are
[09:52] <pwnguin> what i dont get is why kde apps sqeal when a stylus is defined in xorg.conf without being present
[09:53] <peepsalot> so with xserver 1.4, it is supposed to just be able to autodetect everything?
[09:55] <mikl> peepsalot: bulletproof X is more about a failover X if your configuration fails
[09:56] <mikl> peepsalot: so if you hose your configuration X will start up in "safe mode" allowing you to fix the configuration within X instead of having to use the CLI (which is scary to many people)
[09:57] <peepsalot> mikl, yeah i think i had it mixed up earlier, but I'm more curious about the whole thing with 1.4 not needing xorg.conf
[09:57] <peepsalot> though i do understand I'll have to wait till gutsy+1 for that.
[09:58] <mikl> peepsalot: I don't know if that's 1.4 too, but that is certainly more exciting (to me) than the bullet-proof stuff
[10:00] <randy026> my firefox won't download extensions? does anyone else have this problem?
[10:00] <pwnguin> unfortantely, there isnt a good solution to autodetect
[10:00] <pwnguin> edids aren't sufficient to describe displays
[10:00] <mrtimdog> Anyone got audacity to work through pulseaudio?
[10:02] <mikl> randy026: no, that sounds odd
[10:03] <randy026> yeah I can click on install now and it will just sit there
[10:03] <randy026> before that it takes a year to pop up
[10:03] <randy026> it won't even let me save link as and download it
[10:04] <mikl> randy026: try looking at launchpad to see if it's a known issue - there might be a fix :)
[10:05] <randy026> launchpad?
[10:05] <__tim> Randy026: I had that issue until very recently (on x86-64) with the 'install now' thing for flash. Now it downloads and install the flash packages but doesn't actually pick them up :)
[10:06] <mikl> randy026: yes, Ubuntu's bugtracker/translation/project management/etc all-in-one development tool
[10:06] <randy026> ahh ok
[10:06] <randy026> thanks
[10:06] <mikl> randy026: bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <pwnguin> hmm. i think i broke gnome =(
[10:09] <mikl> pwnguin: GNOME users across the world will hate you now ;)
[10:09] <pwnguin> i have no gnome panel =(
[10:10] <mikl> oh, yes - I've tried that before
[10:10] <mikl> I always keep a shortcut to gnome-terminal on the desktop for that very same reason
[10:10] <mikl> pwnguin: killall gnome-panel & gnome-panel ; usually does the trick
[10:11] <mikl>  killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel &
[10:11] <pwnguin> still, im not sure why it happened
[10:13] <mikl> pwnguin: It usually does stuff like that on every development branch I've used since 2.5
[10:14] <mikl> I've never taken time to research why, though :)
[10:14] <pwnguin> i just logged out and back in again, no problem
[10:23] <pvandewyngaerde> RAOF: blog post about phonon  http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/ , its getting integrated with QT :-)
[10:25] <multiverse> I am installing Tribe 5 64 bit with ALT CD manufacturer test install.  It asks me to provide a password for the "new user", but it doesn't offer me the opportunity to create the actual user.  I guess it's creating it's own user, but I don't know what user that is.  Naturally I tried to login via the console as root, but that shouldn't work and it didn't.  So what is that mystery user?
[10:26] <multiverse> "test install" should be "text install"
[10:29] <nemik> is anyone getting back checksums for guidance-backends?
[10:29] <nemik> s/back/bad
[10:36] <Great_Briton> here's a daft question, i'm stuck with just one workspace, how do i get more?
[10:39] <Great_Briton> here's a repeat of my daft question, i'm stuck with just one workspace, how do i get more?
[10:41] <twilight> Great_Briton: gconf-editor /apps/metacity/general , there is a key "num_workspaces"
[10:41] <Great_Briton> twilight: cheers
[10:42] <Great_Briton> twilight: i'm guessing it'll be moved into the new appearance preferences box?
[10:42] <Great_Briton> eventually
[10:43] <twilight> i don't know, but probably there's a easier way to do it .. :)
[10:43] <Great_Briton> hmm
[10:44] <Great_Briton> in gconf-editor it said i had 2 workspaces
[10:44] <Great_Briton> i changed it to 4
[10:45] <Great_Briton> the workspace switcher still only displays one xD
[10:47] <twilight> oh ... sure ...
[10:47] <twilight> Great_Briton: it's compiz, not metacity ... so, gconf-editor /apps/compiz/screen0
[10:47] <Great_Briton> ah, yes
[10:48] <Great_Briton> twilight: good call
[10:48] <twilight> :)
[10:48] <Great_Briton> twilight: i was thinking along the same lines, but wasn't quite there, i turned effects on and off xD
[10:49] <multiverse> That's embarrassing.  I just reinstalled and saw which user was created in a post install message.  :eyeroll:
[10:50] <Great_Briton> hmm?
[10:50] <Great_Briton> twilight: i did a little find for "workspace"
[10:51] <twilight> Great_Briton: try to change hsize to 4
[10:52] <Great_Briton> twilight: where?
[10:52] <twilight> /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize
[10:53] <Great_Briton> twilight: haha, it already is 4
[10:53] <twilight> and "number_of_desktops"?
[10:53] <Great_Briton> that's 1
[10:53] <Great_Briton> i'll change it
[10:54] <fuoco> what's better these days, gnash or swfdec?
[10:54] <twilight> hhmm, i've hsize = 4 and number_of_desktops = 1, and i've 4 workspaces, so there is something else to change
[10:54] <Great_Briton> fuoco: gnash as far as i know
[10:55] <twilight> Great_Briton: are you sure that now you're not running metacity? lol
[10:56] <Great_Briton> twilight: my windows are wobbly :/
[10:57] <multiverse> x
[10:58] <twilight> Great_Briton: ok, if you have the compizconfig-settings-manager package installed, then System->Preferences->CompizConfig <etc...>, General Options, Desktop size
[10:58] <Great_Briton> i used to, but i reinstalled
[10:59] <Great_Briton> twilight: where do (did) i get it from?
[10:59] <Great_Briton> twilight: it's okay, i got it now
[11:00] <twilight> Great_Briton: you can install it from synaptic / aptitude / apt-get, if you have enabled the Universe repository
[11:00] <Great_Briton> twilight: installing now
[11:01] <Great_Briton> on another note, both clearlooks and human are looking really smart now
[11:02] <Great_Briton> twilight: bingo. sorted now :D
[11:02] <twilight> Great_Briton: great, that was my last idea ... :)
[11:02] <Great_Briton> twilight: i've used this program before, i should've thought of it earlier xD
[11:04] <Great_Briton> twilight: now i also get to tinker with every tiny little compiz setting :D
[11:05] <twilight> ehehh
[11:21] <stefano> Hey guys, i just finished installing gusty gibbons. Wow i have to say you really improved the install speed. In less than 20 mins it was installed on my system!
[11:22] <stefano> I do have problems when i try to update, most of the updates get stuck when trying to download them.
[11:22] <stefano> It doesn't find them on the internet.
[11:26] <LinAsH> stefano, try to switch to the main repository (ie: archive.ubuntu.com instead of it.archive.ubuntu.com, assuming you're Italian ;)
[11:26] <stefano> lol :P
[11:26] <stefano> Good guess as to where i am from, ^^, but i am not there. In us.
[11:27] <stefano> Fonts are a bit "cleartyped" to the max.
[11:27] <stefano> Is there a way to make them sharper? lol, it makes me think i am the one with the fuzzy vision.
[11:28] <LinAsH> stefano, if on LCD their is a tool to set this.
[11:28] <stefano> Overall, it is like a kick in the ass to feisty.
[11:30] <DanaG> Here's my sources.list: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/sources.list
[11:31] <DanaG> I have both the OMG-fast (if in USA) and the official us.archive.ubuntu.com enabled; since kernel.org is first, it takes priority if it's up to date.
[11:31] <stefano> DanaG, these sources are good?
[11:32] <DanaG> I think us.archive may be behind sometimes, so you can use the main archive instead.
[11:32] <stefano> wow, i can finally disable the friggin pc speaker beep!
[11:33] <DanaG> But mirrors.kernel.org is on ridiculously large pipes -- it can saturate almost any connection.
[11:33] <stefano> What do you mean on large pipes?
[11:33] <stefano> lol, gb connections?
[11:33] <DanaG> It's even better if you're at a college, with gigabit ethernet.
[11:33] <stefano> WOW!
[11:34] <DanaG> If I go on GbE in the lab at Cal Poly, I can actually reach gigabit speeds.
[11:34] <stefano> lol, I have a gb network at home, lol transfers are blazing fast on windows.
[11:34] <DanaG> I'm limited mostly by the NIC and by my hard drive, I think.
[11:34] <stefano> lol... windows with windows.
[11:34] <DanaG> It'd be limited by your ISP, actually.
[11:34] <stefano> Yeah, my dl speed is 786 kbps.
[11:34] <stefano> :(
[11:34] <DanaG> Dang.
[11:35] <DanaG> US ISPs suck.
[11:35] <stefano> The amount i pay for such service in this development country could seriously get me a 16 Gbit connection in europe.
[11:35] <stefano> Not really in US, i am in Dominican Republic.
[11:35] <stefano> But the dl speeds tops my connection all the time from the us.
[11:37] <DanaG> I don't even need gigabit -- all I'd really wish for is 10-megabit down, and 1 megabit up.
[11:38] <DanaG> Right now I'm on Charter -- 3 megabits down, 256 kilobits up -- yet if you try to use even 192 up, it kills your downstream.
[11:38] <stefano> DanaG, i can't connect to your "sources.list" file :(
[11:39] <DanaG> Hmm, go up a level.
[11:39] <DanaG> Dang, the Poly site is down.
[11:39] <DanaG> Well, anyway, here's how I have it:
[11:40] <DanaG> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[11:40] <DanaG> Note that I have multiverse enabled; you might not need it.
[11:41] <DanaG> And there's also gutsy-updates, gutsy-backports, gutsy-security, gutsy-proposed.
[11:41] <DanaG> You can just edit your current sources, duplicate the existing lines, and make the upper ones be mirrors.kernel.org.
[11:47] <noah__> Hey! In Ubuty Gutsy, /etc/mysql/my.cf, the last line says !includedir /etc/mysql/conf.d, but settings in here doesn't get applied.. bug?
[11:50] <voidmage> I just installed eclipse and have a ton of problems with it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35718/
[12:00] <tdneVmo> Hello?
[12:00] <tdneVmo> Im installing ubuntu
[12:01] <tdneVmo> Im in the guide, and its say "No root file system is defined" ? I have a swap partition, an ext3 partition and an ntfs with winxp on it
[12:04] <LinAsH> tdneVmo, and the mount path for your ext3 part have been set to "/"?
[12:05] <noah__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/133707
[12:05] <tdneVmo> Im not good at linux, dont know how to check that
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133707 in debian-installer "cryptsetup missing in alternate-amd64 as of 20 aug" [Undecided,New] 
[12:05] <noah__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136225
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136225 in ubuntu "my.cnf includedir not working as expected" [Undecided,New] 
[12:06] <tdneVmo> Its says so in the installer to, but how do i set mountpoint "/" ?
[12:06] <tdneVmo> too
[12:08] <LinAsH> tdneVmo, is there no input box to set this?
[12:09] <tdneVmo> Aah doh "edit partition"
[12:12] <LinAsH> tdneVmo, I think they might have change the installation tool interface since the last guide ;)
[12:12] <tdneVmo> oki
[12:13] <tdneVmo> Eh
[12:13] <tdneVmo> wtf
[12:13] <tdneVmo> Now it just made the linux partition in two?
[12:13] <tdneVmo> mount point "/" and free space ?
[12:14] <tdneVmo> Didnt ask it to do that! hehe
[12:14] <tdneVmo> How big should the root file system partition be?
[12:15] <tdneVmo> The / root partition is only 600 mb.. is that enough?
[12:16] <LinAsH> it's not!
[12:16] <LinAsH> should be at least 2GB
[12:16] <ossurayynot> (for a desktop install anyway)
[12:17] <tdneVmo> What is the root partition for?
[12:17] <tdneVmo> The swap partition is 2 gb, is that good enough?
[12:18] <ossurayynot> tdneVmo, the root partition is where everything that isn't explicitly stated for somewhere else (for instance, if you set up a separate /home) goes.
[12:18] <tdneVmo> I have 15000mb free
[12:18] <ossurayynot> That's plenty of swap, if not too much.
[12:18] <tdneVmo> What is a /home?
[12:19] <ossurayynot> user directory
[12:19] <ossurayynot> Erm, are you sure you should be running gutsy?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> now you ask?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:20] <gnomefreak> hint would have been what is the root partition for
[12:21] <tdneVmo> Im not running gutsy
[12:21] <tdneVmo> I was told that i should because it was alpha
[12:22] <gnomefreak> tdneVmo: dont run gutsy why are you in here getting help if your not running gutsy?
[12:23] <tdneVmo> Eh?
[12:24] <tdneVmo> This is the ubuntu channel, not the gutsy channel?
[12:24] <LinAsH> (gutsy == ubuntu+1)
[12:24] <asisak> This is gutsy. Now.
[12:24] <gnomefreak> tdneVmo: this is #ubuntu+1
[12:24] <LinAsH> -> /join #ubuntu
[12:24] <gnomefreak> tdneVmo: you want #ubuntu
[12:25] <tdneVmo> DOH!
[12:25] <tdneVmo> sorry :)
[12:30] <tdneVmo> It enough with a "/" partition and a swap partition right?
[12:44] <FrankH> is anyone else having trouble with no sound in ubuntu gutsy?
[12:45] <asisak> FrankH: do you have linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-... installed?
[12:45] <FrankH> yeah
[12:45] <FrankH> seems to have happened after i installed the fluendo mp3 codec for gstreamer
[12:47] <FrankH> and mpg321 and vorbis-tools
[12:47] <FrankH> using an old SBLive card