anon32I use GDM :-\01:18
anon32hmm, I finally got Azureus to work. Now I can stop using uTorrent in WINE. Yay.01:18
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Stormx2anon32, I just tested out azureus01:23
Stormx2Turns out azureus also doubles as a handy X-restarting tool.01:23
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randy026does firefox have a problem installing normal add-ons for anyone else?02:07
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mluserI have an Asus m6800n laptop and suspend to ram is not working on it, seem to go through all the motions but never actually suspends.  A hard reboot is the only way to recover02:31
mluserI probably should mentioned that it works just fine in Feisty but not in Gutsy02:32
Balaams_Miraclemluser: Gutsy just recieved a new update of the powermanager. did you already install it?02:33
mluserYes, about 20 minutes ago.  When I saw it I was excited, thought it might solve this problem02:34
RAOFmluser: You should probably file a bug, stating that it's a regression from Feisty.  It's probably against linux-source.02:36
mluserOk.. will do.. thanks :)02:36
RAOFmluser: Useful things for you to do include: trying all the old kernels and finding the last one that works.02:37
mluserRAOF: I have no old kernels in Gutsy, did an update from feisty yesterday02:38
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RAOFmluser: By "update" you therefore mean "clean install", right?  Otherwise your feisty kernel would still be hanging around :).02:39
Balaams_MiracleI've a question myself. A few days ago i've installed Gutsy in the hope i'd finally get rid of bug #109629. That worked, but now my GL apps (screen saver, games, etc.) they all make Xfce restart. Now, that's no real biggie, but i was wondering if it's a known issue.02:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109629 in linux-source-2.6.20 "3com NIC stops working after some time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10962902:39
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: nvidia drivers?  Running compiz?02:40
mluserActually thats a good point.. I did do an update, and then manaully removed the entries from menu.1st for the old kernels, perhaps I'll add them again and try02:40
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ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!02:40
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Balaams_MiracleRAOF: No compiz/beryl/fusion. Just plain old Xfce4.4.1. The nvidia drivers were installed automatically (hope that's what you meant)02:41
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Yup, that's what I mean.  Hm.  Does xfce have composite effects (drop-shadows, real transparency, etc)?02:42
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Balaams_MiracleRAOF: Nothing that could be attributed to GL. And since i'm not always to clear (it's a complaint i often get), i'd like to re-state that it only occurs when some app uses GL. As soon as such a program initializes, the WM crashes and i need to log in again02:44
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Yeah.  I'm just trying to narrow it down.02:45
Balaams_MiracleCome to think of it. Xfce does have some (unaccellerated) dropshadows though02:45
RAOFThere *is* a known issue with nvidia+compiz+any GL app killing X02:45
RAOFI'm just wondering whether the "killing X" bit is actually caused by *any* composite manager, not just Compiz.02:46
Balaams_MiracleI've just checked all processes, but neither compiz nor beryl has been sneeking its way onto my system.02:47
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RAOFI'm pretty sure that xfce does have a composite manager component.  You may want to check the settings, see if anything jumps out.02:47
Balaams_Miracle(i'm using a small emergency HDD, so i need to keep the amount of installed apps as small as i can)02:47
LukeEkbladwhen gusty going to be released?02:48
Balaams_MiracleLukeEkblad: Oct 18th02:48
RAOF(Metacity is the only non-composite-manager WM that's current, IIRC) :)02:48
Balaams_MiracleRAOF: I will check. But i must admit that i kind of doubt that Xfce itself is to blame. But... We can't rule out anything befiore it's checked :-)02:49
LukeEkbladawwwww, thats a long time from now02:49
LukeEkbladWhat are the main changes?02:49
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: I'm not blaming xfce.  I'm blaming nvidia :).  If there's any option that looks like "composite", try turning it off and see if that fixes it :)02:50
RAOFLukeEkblad: Gnome 2.20, displayconfig-gtk, bulletproof-X, AppArmour, um... stuff02:51
Balaams_MiracleLukeEkblad: Go to http://www.ubuntu/com/testing , it will tell you more than we can do02:51
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Also, if there *isn't* any composite-like options, you could try installing metacity, run it with "metacity --replace", and see GL apps under metacity kill X.02:52
LukeEkbladpage not found02:53
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Balaams_MiracleTry http://www.ubuntu.com/testing instead of http://www.ubuntu/com/testing02:53
mattyvTrailing slash? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/02:54
LukeEkbladwait, i can download it right now???02:55
RAOFYes, for testing purposes.  Of course!02:56
RAOFWe don't drop totally untested releases and say "go, use this!" ;)02:56
Balaams_MiracleRAOF: I'm using Xfce in Dutch and the translation is not all that great (working on it though), but i think i've just found a setting that would enable compositing. I've disabled it and will try02:56
LukeEkbladshoudl i use it?02:57
RAOFLukeEkblad: Only if you want to file bugs, basically.02:57
Balaams_MiracleLukeEkblad: If you are going to try Gutsy, either run it in a virtual machine or be prepared to face bugs, errors and other problems02:57
Balaams_MiracleBetter wait until october 18th02:57
LukeEkbladI'm good02:58
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LukeEkbladthanks, bye02:59
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Balaams_MiracleRAOF: It worked! Thanks a bunch! Xfce doesn't look as spiffy as it did 10 minutes ago, like without the dropshadows and alpha blending stuff, but that's a minute price to pay.03:01
sebais there server version 7.10 ?03:02
Balaams_Miracleseba: there probably will be.03:02
sebayes i know, but i mean now for testing03:02
RAOFseba: Yes.03:02
RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Cool.  One less compiz bug!03:03
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Balaams_MiracleRAOF: well, i knew it wasn't compiz, it's not installed on my system :-)03:09
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RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Yeah.  But the fact that nvidia+GL dies when there's *any* composite manager, rather than just compiz, gets us closer to pointing at nVidia and saying "Nyaaa!  Fix your crappy drivers"03:10
Balaams_MiracleAha! Now i see. I'm a bit dense today...03:11
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RAOFBalaams_Miracle: Oooh.  You may want to try using the nvidia-glx rather than the nvidia-glx-new drivers.  Apparently that's a regression in the 100.whatever drivers.03:14
snadgeuhoh.. i've overclocked my card too much ;)03:16
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snadgeare there any apt/dpkg wizards about at the moment? :P03:34
iblicfhello guys,, i installed the abiword ,but it just 'abort core dumpted',,any idea ..03:34
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aka_youtubeI'm suddently experiencing graphics problems in gutsy03:35
aka_youtubewhen I open something under wine (firefox or world of warcraft) or a 3D game like planeshift it log out before the app even starts03:36
aka_youtubeits like gdm restart or something03:36
aka_youtubeanyone knows about this bug?03:37
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RAOFaka_youtube: Yes.  Blame nvidia.  Or use the nvidia-glx (not nvidia-glx-new) drivers.03:39
iblicfaka_youtube: dont's know why, but i intrest in your characters in WOW03:39
Hobbseesnadge: i dont know how much you need to be a wizard, more just reading the man pages03:41
snadgeHobbsee: this is a very difficult problem though.. i only say that because amaranth doesn't know how to solve it and is suspecting a fault in the packaging subsystem, rather than the way the particular package was packaged03:42
snadgethe culprit is the compiz-core package from his unofficial gutsy backport repo for compiz03:42
Hobbseewhat's the problem?03:43
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snadgecompiz-core permanently thinks it needs to be upgraded03:43
snadgeto the same version as the one thats already installed03:43
snadgeso if you do aptitude upgrade.. multiple times.. it will just keep reinstalling that package03:44
Hobbseewhy does it say it needs upgrading?03:45
snadgethats what i'd like to know03:45
snadgeinstalled version and to install version are identical03:45
Hobbseeis the package "compiz" installed?03:46
snadgeok theres 2 compiz packages.. what looks like amaranth's one03:47
snadgeand the ubuntu one03:47
snadgecant remember how to tell which one is installed03:48
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nickrudapt-cache policy <package>03:49
snadgeok, amaranths one is installed03:50
Hobbseedoes the amaranth one have the same version number as the compiz-core package?03:50
Amaranthi'd really love to know how to make apt tell me why it thinks it need to be upgraded03:50
AmaranthHobbsee: it wants to upgrade from mine to mine03:50
Amaranthsame version number, package hasn't changed at all03:50
Amaranthand it just keeps doing it03:50
snadgei've found the problem i think ;)03:51
snadgeor something which could point to it03:51
HobbseeAmaranth: there's probably a debug mode on apt.  did you ever ask mvo what it was?03:51
snadgehave a look at apt-cache policy for compiz and compiz-core03:51
snadgethey're "different" im not sure what relevence this is03:51
HobbseeAmaranth: also, are your version numbers above or below ubuntu's, because that will mess with it too03:51
AmaranthHobbsee: I keep forgetting03:51
AmaranthHobbsee: above03:51
Amaranthsnadge: i don't even have feisty running here :)03:52
snadgeok i'll paste what the policy output for both packages shows03:52
Amaranthi have a couple of users who know how to follow directions to debug problems :)03:52
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snadgemight use pastebin..03:53
Amaranththis is the crappiest code i've ever had to plow through03:53
Amaranthit's literally impossible to follow03:53
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Amarantheven the maintainer doesn't remember how this bit of code works :P03:53
snadgewhy does the entry for compiz-core have 3 entries in the version table?03:54
snadgebut compiz package 203:55
Amaranthsnadge: we already knew this03:55
Amaranthit's because apt thinks the local one and the remote one are different03:55
snadgeso it comes back to the question of why would it think that03:56
snadgeevery other package works, it doesnt make sense.. whats so special about compiz-core03:56
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tattersmy centrino b/g wireless card (ipw2200) has been detected but seems dead to the world ,no signals being transmitted or recieved, it works fine in windows (multiboot)03:59
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HobbseeAmaranth: do you know if multiple people are getting this?04:02
Amarantheveryone using my repo is getting this04:03
snadgethe output of showpkg is interesting too.. it shows the same thing.. ubuntu thinks theres two versions of the same package available.. one associated with amaranth's repo.. and the other with /var/lib/dpkg/status04:03
snadgeboth with the same version04:03
Amaranthyes, this is already known04:03
Amaranthif it doesn't say _why_ it's not helpful04:04
HobbseeAmaranth: i wonder if it still happens if you bump the version number for compiz in your repo04:04
Amaranthit does04:04
Amaranthi'm bumped it 4 times since the repo was created04:05
Amaranthand it's always been like this04:05
Amaranthoriginally is was because the index had 'Priority: Optional' instead of 'Priority: optional'04:05
Amaranthbut cprov fixed that04:05
Hobbseeah right04:06
snadgebeing the tool that i am.. i'd almost suggest loading apt into a debugger04:07
Amaranthwon't help04:08
snadgeand setting a breakpoint where its figuring out whether the installed version is the same as the available one04:08
Amaranthyou need apt to spit out it's reasoning, not follow it's code path04:08
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snadgedamn.. now i know why i never try and fix things in open source stuff.. i've wasted half a day and am no closer to figuring it out04:15
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DeepBanyone tried Gutsy in MacBook Pro (SantaRosa) with nvidia?04:17
anon32Hey cool, there's one Microsoft package in Ubuntu04:19
anon32well, actually, two04:19
Hobbseemsttcorefonts, obviously04:20
snadgei've got a few ideas.. install a backported apt/dpkg from gutsy04:21
snadgesee if that fixes it04:21
snadgehave a look at trevinos compiz-core package and see how it differs04:22
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snadgeim assuming that his repo doesnt suffer from this problem04:22
Hobbseebah.  trevhino crack.  that'll break your system quicker than anything.04:22
anon32I can't run compiz because my screen resolution is higher than my maximum texture resolution..04:22
snadgei didnt say anything about installing it.. just looking at it04:22
anon32any workarounds for that?04:22
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snadgethe other option is to just install gutsy...04:24
snadgeand pretend this problem never existed ;)04:24
Hobbseeanon32: ah04:25
Hobbseesnadge: you really dont want to backport dpkg and friend.s04:25
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Hobbseewell, if you were, you may as well just run gutsy04:25
anon32quick question: why does the next codename start with 'H' again?04:26
anon32wouldn't it be more logical to use a new one?04:26
snadgewell if gutsy is packaged the same as the feisty repo.. then it would point to a fault in the dpkg/apt in feisty04:26
snadgethe next step would be to figure out what changes fixed the problem, possibly attempt to work around it04:27
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mrignsI've a problem with kaffeine, seeking trough files is kind of impossible as terribly slow, actually it will freeze and crash kaffeine04:31
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snadgei can't seem to be able to install the source package for trevinhos compiz04:40
snadgef$@# it.. i'll just install it04:40
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cwilluwhat's the gutsy mailing list url?04:42
RAOFI don't think there is one, unless you mean the "gutsy-changes" list.04:43
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slimzanyone know if there's a way to reset all ubuntu settings back to default without reinstalling completely? i've been using gutsy since tribe 1, and now it just a bit slow to boot up, no startup sound, no login sound, takes ~2-3 mins to login, but then works fine.04:49
cwilludpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh might do something useful, although it won't uninstall extra packages that might be causing you grief04:51
slimzwhat's -phigh?04:51
cwilluthe priority of question that you want to be bugged about04:52
cwillumight even go -pcritical, but I haven't tried it before04:52
nickrudand an aptitude full-upgrade can't hurt04:53
slimzdpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh wouldnt work04:53
cwilluI wonder, could you do something like marking everything for removal, reselecting ubuntu-desktop, and aptitude reinstalling?04:53
slimzUnknown option: l04:53
nickrudohh, mark everything for reinstall, hope you have a big cache :)04:54
slimzim on  a junk laptop04:54
slimz1.7 pentium M04:54
cwilluI need a bigger desk04:55
nickrudaptitude has a L <shift L> that marks for reinstall, by the way04:55
anon32gah, anyone know how to change default file icons?04:58
nickrudchange the theme04:58
anon32....no, for a specific filetype04:59
nickrudyou could pick an icon you like, and drop it into a copy of the icon theme you're using and use that copy as your theme05:00
nickrudanon32, I'm not a real fan of how icon themes work either05:00
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Clinton__Where/how can I determine if certain packages will be includes in Gutsy?05:05
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anon32packages.ubuntu.com maybe?05:06
Clinton__ah, it is there05:07
Clinton__*sigh*  I last looked a few months ago05:07
Clinton__*sigh* and packages for Logitech's G15 keyboard still aren't going to be includes....05:08
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scizzo-morning everyone05:27
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atrustrying to print a landscape-oriented pdf to a portrait-oriented printer with evince in gutsy, but it stretches it instead of rotating it. suggestions?06:07
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thiebaudehow do i download 7.10 from the terminal, just for testing purposes?06:09
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scizzo-just wanna upgrade a installation?06:10
scizzo-changing the repositories I guess in /etc/apt/sources.list06:12
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thiebaudeone i changed every occurance of fiesty to gustsy and nothing happened so i changed it back to feisty06:14
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thiebaudescizzo:i have a question about flash if you can help06:15
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iblicfhi, i just add a user ..by edit /etc/passwd & group ,,something wrong occured ..can't use sudo now ,..06:15
RAOFiblicf: Why would you do something like that manually? :(06:15
RAOFiblicf: Recovery mode is your friend. :/06:16
iblicfcoz i use SCO/AIX as that ..06:16
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iblicfRAOF: recovery ...and use passwd my id?06:17
RAOFSince you're capable of adding a user by manually editing passwd & group, it should be a snap to fix it in recovery mode.06:17
RAOFiblicf: Well, you're root in recovery mode.  Just fix it :)06:17
RAOFYou know how, right?06:17
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iblicfRAOF: just ..a little strange ,..is that one security policy?06:18
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RAOFiblicf: The thinking is that anyone who knows & cares enough to want physical security will also know and care enough to password protect grub :)06:19
iblicfa lesson to me :)06:20
stefanoCould anyone tell me if it is possible to do a "distro-upgrade" on feisty to gutsy?06:23
scizzo-stefano: yes06:23
stefanoI don't want to reinstall ubuntu from scratch.06:23
stefanoGreat! Know how?06:24
RAOFstefano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28tribe%29%7C%285%2906:24
stefanoWill it be possible to revert back to feisty incase i don't like gutsy?06:25
stefanolol ^^, do my themes stay?06:25
RAOF*All* your stuff stays.06:25
stefanoRAOF, thanks for the info.06:25
Toma-also, report bugs on the upgrade process if anything bad happens06:26
RAOFIt wouldn't be much of an upgrade if your settings & installed programs & stuff didn't cary over :)06:26
scizzo-what happens is that you get a bleeding edge version of most things and its not likely that everything will work06:26
scizzo-all your files and everything stays.....but program and packages are changing....06:27
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sboyselhey i my usb external harddrive is no longer recognized after a gutsy upgrade06:45
sboyselany suggestions?06:45
scizzo-sboysel: does dmesg tell you anything?06:51
sboyselumm one sec06:51
sboyselcan i send you the output?06:52
sboyselwhat should i look for06:52
sboyselmy hd is connected via firewire06:53
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scizzo-run a: tail -f /var/log/dmesg06:54
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scizzo-hmm I don't dare to test the glxgears at the moment....would love to do that to test my settings with graphicscard and so on07:18
KousotuCan Windows EXEs be run on linux except through wine?07:19
scizzo-Kousotu: you need a emulator07:19
scizzo-Kousotu: like wine07:19
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shirishhi all, I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which?08:03
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AyabaraI'm had issues with acrobat reader, so I decided to uninstall it and use Evince instead. Something's still wrong though. Every time I click a link to a pdf in evolution or firefox, firefox hangs.08:08
Kousotuthe spped isn't that different08:08
KousotuAyabara: hapen to me n both window and linux08:08
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Kousotuit's somewhat normal08:09
AyabaraKousotu: so no fix for it? you just copy the link or download the pdf?08:10
KousotuAyabara: if you dl it should load fine, but I don't download many PDFs08:10
Kousotuso I can't attest to that08:11
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AyabaraKousotu: ok. thanks for the feedback :-)08:11
Kousotuno problem08:11
Kousotuglad I could povide it08:12
Kousotuxtknight you here?08:12
shirishKousotu: you are wrong m8, there is a whole lotta difference, from 12 mbps to 480 mbps, that's quite a jump08:12
Kousotushirish: ok, I have never noticed, betten answer?08:13
shirishAyabara: which version of firefox are you using, the 2.x series or 3.x series?08:13
Kousotuthere's a 3.x series now??08:13
shirishKousotu: do an search through synaptic or apt-get for firefox-granparadiso08:14
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Kousotushirish: does T5 have it?08:14
mattyvgranparadiso is still alpha though08:14
shirishmattyv: right, but it has some cool features ;)08:15
shirishKousotu: what's T5?08:15
KousotuT5 = Tricbe 508:15
shirishKousotu: nope, its in the repository though, its not installed by default08:15
mattyvshirish: sure does, I'm using it exclusively on my gutsy box. Just thought I should mention the alphaness of it ;)08:15
shirishmattyv: I know, I used to use it exclusively till I turned to minefield, pre 3a8 which has some more cooler features08:16
shirishAyabara: did you upgrade, there have been 2 updates to series IIRC08:17
shirishAyabara: correction 3 updates, its now at
mattyvshirish: ah yes I should have differentiated, I'm using minefield too, liking bookmark tags08:18
Ayabarashirish: how can I check if I have the ubuntu3-version?08:18
shirishmattyv: hmm.... I haven't used that service08:18
shirishAyabara: simple, do a dpkg -l firefox that would give you the version no.08:19
Kousotushirish: I have a bit of an issue, think you could help me with it?08:19
Kousotuinvolves th Live cd08:20
shirishmattyv: I'm in organize bookmarks & don't see the tagging features08:20
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shirishKousotu: go ahead, maybe I know something maybe I don't08:20
mattyvshirish: use the little star near the go button, click it twice08:20
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shirishmattyv: wow, that's cool ;)08:21
shirishmattyv: and this resides locally or does it get put up on a repository somewhere, something like del.ici.ous for e.g.08:21
mattyvyeh, not finished yet but it's a good advance08:21
mattyvshirish: think it's in the local places database, no doubt an extension could give that extra functinality though08:22
shirishmattyv: true, but it definitely improves my productivity quite a lot, I do hope they open it up08:22
shirishmattyv: yup, just what I was thinking ;)08:22
Kousotushirish: I wanted to run the live CD on my grandmother's computer. the specs are 500mhz and 320mb ram, is that "useable"?08:23
shirishKousotu: nope, I wouldn't say so08:23
shirishKousotu: what I would suggest is you take xubuntu and that too the alternate install CD & install it.08:24
shirishKousotu: she would get better bang for her buck there ;)08:24
Kousotushirish: I can't install it08:24
mattyvshirish: the other recent addition I'm loving is the new address bar history behaviour, you noticed that?08:24
Kousotuand the reason I want to use the cd is to check the temps in her pc08:24
KousotuI uspect there's something wrong with the fan08:25
shirishKousotu: it's the same thing as a live CD, just has an ncurses interface08:25
shirishKousotu: oh, hmm.... you could try it but it would take ages, there is whole lot of stuff the Live CD puts in memory, the least I would say is a p3 with 512 mb ram.08:25
Kousotushirish: my grandmother WANTS windows Xp on her pc, I just want tocheck the thermal isues she's havingwith my Live cd08:26
shirishmattyv: what address bar history behavior?08:26
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jscinozIs there a fix to the bug which involves ALSA not working on intel cards in the .10 kernel?08:27
shirishKousotu: I have tried to use Live CD's with lower specs, and its a pain, there are some switches which can do with lower specs machines, but the machine is really ancient, sorry08:27
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mattyvshirish: start typing the title of a page you've visited into the address bar (rather than the url), it will find the page you're after. Much easier than remembering the url of some sites08:27
shirishmattyv: I didn't know that, that's cool, so its doing some remembering of the <TITLE> </TITLE> tag.08:28
mattyvshirish: yeah, another benefit of places :)08:28
shirishmattyv: true, I esp. liked the fact that they are using now sqlite, makes for more efficient usage of lot of things, memory, space etc.08:29
jscinozHow do i access the two new firefox features mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?08:31
mattyvjscinoz: One of them is through Tools > Addons > Get Ubuntu...or something like that08:33
jscinozi see08:33
jscinozwhats the URL for the bug database thing again?08:34
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shirishHobbsee: I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which? some way of probing, maybe with a thumb-drive or something?08:40
Hobbseeie, no08:41
Hobbseewell, there probably is, but iv'e not encountered it08:41
DanaGPlug stuff into devices, and look in hal-device-manager.08:45
DanaGI mean, plug a known USB2 device into each port, and look where it shows up in hal-device-manager.08:45
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shirishok guys, bbl08:49
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bronsonI was wondering somewhat the same thing as jscinoz...   How do I install Flash the Gutsy way?08:51
bronsonI clicked around for a while but couldn't figure it out.08:52
jscinoznot sure.08:52
jscinozmine was installed back on tribe 408:52
jscinozthrough apt08:52
=== RAOF just aptitude installed flashplugin-nonfree, but that's not the new ubufox way.
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scizzo-add/remove program08:58
scizzo-in there...there is a drop down menu.....click that and choose All Available applications.....search for restricted08:59
scizzo-there is a package they put together with loads of plugins....08:59
scizzo-but...if you only want the flashplayer then search for flashplayer09:00
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scizzo-otherwise its the way RAOF said09:01
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RAOFscizzo-: Also, the new ubufox *should* be automatically installing flashplugin-nonfree when you need it.  That's what they were talking about, I believe.09:03
avisi have had issues on a clean install of gutsy where firefox would not add bookmarks (freeze at add new bookmark window) as well as freeze when doing things like a direct download from sourceforge.  will freeze upon spawning the dialog box window09:04
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Kousotuwhy is the Tribe 5 CD so big?10:03
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs10:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:05
Kousotuhey Hobbsee10:06
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 5 see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5
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RAOFI am, of course, not disinterested in this.  If KDE *had* chosen to use GStreamer, there'd be more eyes looking at GST code, and it'd get better faster :)10:57
pvandewyngaerdei have to admit i am a KDE fanboy and it dont know exactly what gstreamer is capable of, but to me phonon sounds logic10:59
RAOFpvandewyngaerde: Basically, gstreamer is capable of everything :)10:59
pvandewyngaerdephonon will have sound categories, so you can mute flash audio with a phonon slider, while still listening to other categories of sound11:00
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pvandewyngaerdelike mail notifications11:00
RAOFpvandewyngaerde: GStreamer *already* does that.11:00
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RAOFImplemented in last year's SoC :)11:01
leperkhanzDoes everyone else get pretty much every 3d app crashing when compiz is running?11:01
RAOFleperkhanz: Welcome to the joy of nvidia.11:02
leperkhanzah, that's an nvidia driver issue?11:02
mattyvwas waiting for that RAOF :P11:02
RAOFYes.  GL + Composite crashes X.11:02
leperkhanzSad Face.11:02
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ubotuNouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive11:03
pvandewyngaerdeRAOF: if gsteamer allready does that, it will be very easy to implement for the gstreamer backend,    maybe if it was named Kstreamer it could have had a chance :-)11:04
RAOFIndeed.  KDE seems to have a bit of a NIH complex.11:04
RAOFGnome may have also, but I don't know enough non-gnome technology to know about it :)11:05
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pvandewyngaerdeRAOF:  lets say in 10 years,  kde will stil be using phonon, i dont know about gstreamer11:06
RAOFI don't see gstreamer going anywhere.11:06
RAOFAnd in 10 years time phonon won't look much like it does today, anyway.11:07
RAOFThe name will be the same, but the code will be very different :)11:07
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pvandewyngaerdeRAOF:  maybe the backend code, but not the API for all other programs to use11:09
RAOFMaybe they won't *drop* any API, but there will certainly be API additions.11:09
pvandewyngaerdephonon targets only simple, " i want to play this sound/soundeffect "  for advanced audio dont use phonon11:11
pvandewyngaerdechoose the -backend-of-the-moment- for advanced audio11:11
RAOFpvandewyngaerde: You know, the phonon sample code looks almost identical to a simple GStreamer application :)11:13
jgmWhy doesn't someone write a new API that can use either GStreamer or Phonon underneath it then everyone (or perhaps no-one) will be happy?11:14
RAOFjgm: Because then you have an infinite stack of turtles :)11:15
jgmOf course, but in a world of choice surely infinite choice is the ultimate goal :)11:16
RAOFOf course, in a world with infinite choice, you actually have *no* choice :)11:16
pvandewyngaerdethats why KDE chose phonon and not a fixed backend11:16
pvandewyngaerdein reply to jgm, that is11:17
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praecoxhey guys11:17
praecoxis there anyone can help me out with KMail problem after last upgrade?11:17
RAOFpvandewyngaerde: But phonon *is* a fixed backend.  It's just a fixed backend at a higher lever :)11:17
praecoxI'm using Kubunty Gutsy.11:18
pvandewyngaerdelayering is good for standardization in some way11:18
RAOFpvandewyngaerde: But actually standardising is better :)11:19
snadgelol.. i just joined #windows and said "vista rules!"11:19
praecoxhere's my problem. after last daily upgrade KMail started saying: Unable to complete LIST operation. Invalid Response From Server.11:19
praecoxand it's kinda odd, it has never happened before.11:20
pvandewyngaerdevirus last !11:21
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richardGoing Ape!11:51
richardI just wanted to say, Gutsy has been pretty kick ass so far.11:51
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richardThere is an issue with the screen resolution though - the new GTK tool tells me I'm running at 1280x960 while xorg.conf tells me 1280x80011:52
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Infectosome one use kmail?12:35
leperkhanzDie hard Thunderbird fan here.12:35
Infectoit hangs, and no crash but crash without any warning when i try to paste something12:35
Infectoin composer messsage window12:35
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Infectooits bug for it12:38
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leperkhanzI'm using utorrent in wine, and for the life of me, I can't get it to display the window again. :(12:39
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motinhey guys12:48
motinany wiki page up yet about how to install tribe 5 on a separate partition to be able to help out testing?12:48
motinI am all set for install I think, but I am not sure of where to put the bootloader12:49
motinon the last step in the installation process, there is an "advanced" dialogue that allows me to install the bootloader12:49
motinbut I do not want to overwrite the existing one12:49
motinthe root partition I am using for gutsy is /dev/sda4, does this mean I should install the bootloader to (hd0,3) ?12:50
motini am sure many of you have done this. how did you do it?12:51
praecoxInfecto, to jest babol w najnowszym upgradzie KMaila.12:53
Infectopraecox: no wlasnie obsysa strasznie12:53
Infectoale to obsysa strasznie normalnie pracowac nie mozna :)12:55
Infectoinfecto   7786  102  0.4  46620  4692 ?        RNl  12:55   0:12 /usr/lib/opera/plugins/operapluginwrapper 48 51 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so12:56
Infectothats wery strange :)12:56
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tatterswhere do I report centrino bg card (ipw2200) and a wireless pmcia card rt2500 both not working in gutsy?02:26
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motin(10:48:24 AM) motin: hey guys02:29
motin(10:48:46 AM) motin: any wiki page up yet about how to install tribe 5 on a separate partition to be able to help out testing?02:29
motin(10:49:11 AM) motin: I am all set for install I think, but I am not sure of where to put the bootloader02:29
motin(10:49:45 AM) motin: on the last step in the installation process, there is an "advanced" dialogue that allows me to install the bootloader02:29
motin(10:49:58 AM) motin: but I do not want to overwrite the existing one02:29
motin(10:50:35 AM) motin: the root partition I am using for gutsy is /dev/sda4, does this mean I should install the bootloader to (hd0,3) ?02:29
motin(10:51:51 AM) motin: i am sure many of you have done this. how did you do it?02:29
slytherintatters: where as in 'against which package'?02:32
slytherinmotin: Why don't you want to overwrite existing one?02:32
motinslytherin: because I already have one which I do not want to break02:33
motinI want to chainload this bootloader instead02:33
motinas gutsy could be unstable I do not want it to interfere at all with my existing system02:33
tattersslytherin: what do mean against package?02:33
slytherinmotin: Overwriting existing will not break anything. It will have entries for all the OS02:33
motinslytherin: aha so no gain to install the bootloader on the partition and chainloading instead then?02:34
slytherintatters: You asked, 'where do I report'. What do you mean exactly?02:34
slytherinmotin: Nope. Unless there are more than 1 boot loaders from which you want to chainload the gutsy bootloader02:34
tatterswhere do I find out if they working on the bugs for my cards and if no bug reported, how do I begin the process.02:35
motintatters: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs02:36
slytherintatters: http://launchpad.net02:36
tattersk ,thnx02:37
motintatters: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs02:37
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blekoshi, i'm actually running kubuntu, could you tell me how can I upgrade w/o downloading the cd?02:38
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motinblekos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe502:39
motinread first part "Upgrading from Feisty"02:39
Stormx2http://pastebin.ca/675711 <-- I need a hand. Apt issues :(02:39
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blekossorry, logged out, do u know how I can upgrade to guttsy w/o downloading the cd? (i'm using kubuntu)02:40
motin(12:39:08 PM) motin: blekos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe502:41
motin(12:39:09 PM) blekos left the room (quit: Client Quit).02:41
motin(12:39:19 PM) motin: read first part "Upgrading from Feisty"02:41
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rohanit's final the ubuntu wont have xserver 1.4 ?? especially now that its releasing tomorrow itself ?02:41
slytherinStormx2: The package file for dpkg seems to be corrupted. Try deleting it from /var/cache/apt/archives/02:42
Stormx2slytherin: I tried that, but it didn't work...02:42
slytherinrohan: I think gutsy will have 1.3 only. gutsy has already crossed feature freeze02:43
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slytherinStormx2: What happens after that?02:43
Stormx2Same thing I think, hold on.02:43
rohanslytherin: oh, damn ..02:43
slytherinStormx2: Try changing mirror.02:43
Stormx2slytherin: Ooh good idea :)02:43
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rohanalso, how about eclipse 3.3 ? having 3.2 now is so strange .. espcially when 3.3 was released ages ago !!02:44
Stormx2slytherin: if I changed to say, france, would that have any impact language-wise?02:45
slytherinStormx2: nope02:45
slytherinrohan: File a UVF and beg someone in #ubuntu-motu to provide necessary info. I am also surprised eclipse 3.3 is not there. Can't really help since I have no net connection at home. :-(02:46
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asisakrohan, slytherin https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046 describes how to fill UVFe requests02:47
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slytherincoNP: I know the process. But as I said I can't help as I don't have net connection at home. :-)02:48
coNPslytherin: okay. I am sorry. :)02:48
slytherincoNP: By the way, you are the one who files UVF for bluez-gnome, right?02:49
coNPNo. But I have bugged the people to do that...02:49
coNP!info bluez-gnome gutsy02:49
ubotubluez-gnome: Bluetooth utilities for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 0.13-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 688 kB02:49
coNPIt seems to be done since.02:50
slytherincoNP: Yes. I think it was uploaded sometime yesterday.02:50
Stormx2slytherin: I switched to the irish mirror. Same thing happened.02:53
Stormx2slytherin: Also if it were corrupt, wouldn't checksums nab it?02:53
Stormx2I think I'll reboot, that might help I guess.02:54
rohanslytherin: are you filing a UVF then ?02:54
rohanPlease note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested! You will need this anyway to provide proper diffstats and buildlogs.02:54
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slytherinrohan: Nope. Better you do. I don't have net connection at home and gmail access is blocked at work. So I can't do any bug activity these days.02:55
saxi1I'm currently on a fresh install of Ubuntu Gutsy. The compiz-fusion effects are working great, but is there any place where I can do some changes? Or do I need to download a program to do that? If so, what is it called?02:55
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rohanslytherin: well i can't either, because i don't know how to create an eclipse package02:56
slytherinrohan: If you have never built any package, find someone on #ubuntu-motu who will file the UVF for you.02:56
rohanslytherin: i've built packages, but nothing as complex as eclipse02:56
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rohanand compiling eclipse is not my cup of tea02:56
slytherinrohan: :-)02:56
rohani guess just wait for fedora 8 to release .. it has eclipse 3.3 :P02:56
coNPIt is really not trivial to make such an upgrade02:57
slytherinrohan: Anyway, see if you can at least request someone on motu channel02:57
rohanslytherin: https://launchpad.net/bugs/12306402:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123064 in eclipse "Upgrade to Eclipse 3.3" [Wishlist,In progress] 02:57
coNPWow. Deadwill is working on that :)02:57
slytherinrohan: Great02:57
rohanslytherin: on #ubuntu-motu deadwill told me he is02:57
slytherinsaxi1: install compizconfig-settings-manager02:58
saxi1slytherin: Thanks :-)02:58
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Stormx2Still won't work :(03:13
Stormx2I have no idea what to do...03:13
snadgeinject some heroin?03:14
Stormx2i already tried that.03:14
Stormx2slytherin, you about?03:14
slytherinStormx2: yup03:15
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slytherinStormx2: Are you seeing the problem today only?03:15
Stormx2slytherin:If I use the update-manager, and disable the dpkg upgrade, it fails on the next package.03:16
Stormx2slytherin: Yeah03:16
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slytherinStormx2: So looks like problem with all the packages03:17
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Stormx2slytherin, surely not? o.O Surely it's dpkg at fault or some bad config.03:17
Stormx2I've only had this since last night.03:17
slytherinStormx2: Do one thing. Delete dpkg*.deb from apt cache. Then do 'sudo apt-get --ignore-missing -no-download dist-upgrade'03:20
Stormx2okay :O03:20
Stormx2But, like I said, it affects every package...03:20
slytherinStormx2: Let us see03:20
Stormx2dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic_2.6.22-10.25_i386.deb (--unpack):03:21
Stormx2 failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libcurl3-gnutls': Input/output error03:21
Stormx2Interesting that it always lists libcurl3-gnutls03:22
Stormx2Maybe that is the source of the error?03:22
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Stormx2Synaptic is broken tho. It crashes once it has completed a search03:22
Stormx2maybe i can just scroll to it03:23
slytherinStormx2: Are there any broken packages?03:23
slytherinStormx2: sudo apt-get -f install03:23
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Stormx2How can I reinstall libcurl3-gnutls from CLI?03:24
PiciHave you cleared the apt-cache and tried to re-update/upgrade?03:24
Stormx2Pici: Yep.03:24
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Piciit always says:  failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libcurl3-gnutls'?03:25
slytherinStormx2: One last thing, because I am out of idea. do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade03:25
Stormx2slytherin, tried it.03:25
Stormx2Same result.03:25
PiciStormx2: Did you system happen to crash or were you forced to do a hard reboot lately?03:25
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Stormx2Pici: Well, that happened just now, but the issue was present before then03:26
Stormx2It might have happened last night, when the issue started.03:26
Stormx2I can't remember.03:26
Stormx2gutsy seems to have got a lot less stable over the past few days.03:26
PiciStormx2: I'd suggest first doing `sudo touch /forcefsck` to force a fsck at next reboot.03:27
PiciIf that doesnt fix it I have one other idea.03:27
Stormx2give it a few, I'm writing something first.03:28
PiciMove /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcurl3-gnutls.list03:29
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PiciStormx2: Move that somewhere, and then try to update/upgrade again.03:29
PiciI'm guessing you wont be able to move it though, sounds like something got corrupt on the HD.03:29
Stormx2Hmm yeah03:30
Stormx2I could move it.03:30
Stormx2No prob.03:30
PiciOkay, hopefully this works /me crosses fingers03:31
Stormx2I did an apt-get clean tho.03:31
Stormx2Just out of deperation03:31
Stormx2so its re-downloading the packages.03:31
Stormx2dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libcurl3-gnutls' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.03:32
Stormx2E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly03:32
Stormx2A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:03:32
Stormx2That's all.03:32
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Piciwhat about forcing a reinstall of libcur3-gnutls03:33
Stormx2Pici, how?03:34
PiciStormx2: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libcurl3-gnutls03:34
Stormx2Pici, gedit was acting all slow when I tried to edit the file. Maybe there is a disk problem.03:34
PiciStormx2: Thats not good.03:35
Stormx2Whole bunch of new errors03:36
Stormx2I'll pastebin.03:36
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Stormx2Pici: http://pastebin.ca/67575703:36
Stormx2Read-only filesystem03:37
Stormx2Time for a fsck.03:37
PiciI agree.03:37
Stormx2barney@spadge:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo touch /forcefsck03:37
Stormx2touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system03:37
Stormx2I'll reboot anyway.03:38
PiciStormx2: Maybe restart into single us... er nevermind03:39
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Stormx2Pici, lawl. i had about a bajillion errors.03:46
Stormx2everything has booted fine.03:47
PiciStormx2: You may need to move that file back for it to work... if its going to work. But try both ways.03:48
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Stormx2Pici, is there actual physical damage done to my hard disk drive, or is it just data corruption?03:50
PiciStormx2: I dont know. :/03:51
mendredhi in dolphin how can i remove the text from the toolbar buttons?03:53
Seeker`i'm having problems with my soundcard - it isn't being detected03:53
Stormx2it's working!03:54
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Stormx2and slytherin03:54
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slytherinStormx2: I didn't do anything. :-O03:55
Stormx2Yeah but you tried to help :O03:55
slytherinmendred: What is dolphin?03:55
Picislytherin: kde403:55
slytherinPici: ahh03:55
mendredPici: i am actually using the kde3 one03:55
slytherinSeeker`: Which sound card?03:56
mendredPici: its pretty nice..after some tweaks03:56
Picimendred: Oh.   Well, I have 0 familiarity with KDE at all :/03:56
mendredPici: ok :)03:56
Seeker`slytherin: Its an onboard one on my motherboard03:58
slytherinSeeker`: Please paste the output of lspci in some pastebin03:59
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slytherinSeeker`: hey, I see a lot of unknown devices. Better fiel a bug04:01
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Seeker`slytherin: Is there anywhere in particular i should file it?04:04
slytherinSeeker`: launchpad.net04:05
slytherinSeeker`: By the way, which sound did you try to play?04:06
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Seeker`various things; mp3s, wav, videos04:08
Seeker`I'm not getting any sounds on startup either04:08
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slytherinSeeker`: hmm04:09
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 135843 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Many "Unknown Devices" in output of lspci" [Undecided,New] 04:11
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sdestim having an issue with window selection after the last update, i click on the different windows on the taskbar to get focus just fine, but clicking on the windows themselves doesnt do anything, is anyone else getting something like this?05:03
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luboszi it true that there is no gnome splash screen in gutsy? (i just get a brownish solid color after login)05:05
lubosz169 ilders in here :D ?05:06
sdestlubosz: i dont get a splash screen either, i guess it is gone05:07
Picilubosz: On an upgrade from feisty to gutsty, I still have a splash screen05:07
luboszhm, a lot of upgrades don't05:08
sdestim using a fresh install05:08
luboszi thought its maybe an ubuntustudio issue05:08
luboszcan you install gutsy from scratch?05:08
luboszwithout dist upgrading05:08
PiciYou can, I didnt.05:08
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jeffferrarilol, I'm a bit late for the convo but I noticed my splash missing on a clean install05:13
jeffferraribeen fiddling around with other things, and at some stage I fixed it accidentally05:13
jeffferrariI can confirm with clean install it appears missing on my amd6405:13
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sayerswhere do I get the airplane effects?05:25
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Picisayers: I think its one of the animation drop-downs05:26
sayersah got it on random05:26
sayersoh thats cool I guess.05:26
sayersover rated :D05:26
jj_has anyone tried using the text based installer on an empty partition, next to a Vista installed partition? Will grub be able to dual boot out of the box?05:26
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Solarion umm, why am I suddenly being told that "Hibernate is not available on this computer"?05:41
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SoulChildHow do i make GRUB write the path of an HD isntead of the UUID ???05:53
SoulChildHow to I refresh the UUID's of my Partition, cause whenever Grub is updated, they are wrong ?05:59
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mamefanSoulChild:  have a look at vol_id06:02
SoulChildmamefan: is that a package or a config file ?06:03
mamefana binary (on my system it's /sbin/vol_id)06:03
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stefanoWow, Gusty is one of a kind.06:08
stefanoI am seeing in my mind that by the time it gets to 8 or 9, vista will be eating dust... or just being booted to play games.06:08
stefanoIf anyone is present, could he/she please tell my why isn't glx enabled?06:10
stefanoFresh dist-upgrade and the xserver doesn't have the glx extention.06:10
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mamefanstefano:  what video card?06:13
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stefanoNvidia Gf 660006:13
stefanoThe "closed source" drivers were loaded at start up.06:14
stefanoMaybe if I restart it would load them up?06:14
mamefanI've never had it work properly until I manually install the NVIDIA drivers from NVIDIA.  The lum driver has not worked for me.06:15
mamefanIt's probably 'cause of my config though.  I expect a "clean" install of gutsy would work fine.06:15
stefanohmmm... Thats odd, but stuff happens.  Yeah same here.06:15
stefanoI had so much problems after i manually installed alsa 1.0.14, i had to reinstall the nvidia driver every time i restarted the computer. Xserver kept complaining about not finding the drivers :(06:16
stefanoI suppose that gutsy comes with alsa 1.0.14, right?06:17
stefanoOn the whole, gutsy is one of a kind.06:17
mamefanstefano:  Though that's another area of concern for me.  I end up building my own hacked alsa to get my sound working correctly.06:17
stefanoI am seriously looking forward for version 8.00 or 9.00, that will be on par or even better than vista.06:18
mamefanFrom my point of view Gutsy is already better than Vista.06:18
mamefanOf course I've spent countless hours getting that way.06:19
stefanomamefan: I was trying to do the same thing, because i have a 7.1 realtek integrated card.06:19
mamefanstefano:  alsa?  What's not working for you?06:19
stefanomamefan: Well it is better on every part you look at it, Ubuntu owns, but gaming.06:20
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mamefanI'm not a gamer so I couldn't say.06:20
stefanomamefan: The card was recognized as to have more than 2channels... i could set it up on the volume control, but it just kept on working as a 2ch.06:21
mamefanstefano:  check over in #alsa.  They've alway had  my answers.06:21
stefanoIs it that i have to have something that is 5.1 to actually hear them all?06:21
stefanomamefan: I didn't know they had a channel, i am going right over there and squeezing out the answers ^^06:22
stefanomamefan: Don't you play any game?06:22
stefanomamefan: You must be a hard core programmer or a very hard working person.06:23
mamefanhehe:  not really.06:23
mamefanstefano:  i'm a M.A.M.E (www.mame.net) fan.  Any games produced after about 1986 are not really interesting to me.06:24
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stefanomamefan: Wow, well, i can't complain... mame has its cool games.06:25
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jelabarreI'm trying to increase the number of workspaces in Workspace Switcher 2.19.6 (gutsy tribe 5), but in the preferences dialogue where it would usually show the number of workspaces, it only shows the nimber of rows I want to put those workspaces in06:29
jelabarrehas this been moved (at least with compiz fusion), have I simply forgotten how to edit it, or is this a defect?06:30
Picijelabarre: You may need to use the compizconfig-settings-manager to configure that.06:34
jelabarreI have the compizconfig-settings-manager package installed, but no executable for it06:37
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multiverseI recently purchased a Lenovo Thinkpad R61, which has a very new nVIDIA graphics card.  I decided to install Ubuntu and eventually had to move to 7.10 tribe 5 in the hopes the drivers were newer too.  Ubuntu 7.10 tribe 5 Alternate CD file list - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-amd64.list - lists only one nVIDIA related package:  /pool/restricted/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_2005102806:38
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mluseranyone having any problems with the latest kubuntu usplash update?06:40
jelabarrehmmmm...   took a little while for it to show up in the menu...06:40
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multiverseDuring the install a probe occurs, but it fails to find the nVIDIA.  This failure is demonstrated by the discrepancy I posted above.  I suspect that Tribe 5 didn't get the packages after all, or the installer has a bug.06:44
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jelabarreOK, so I've gone through all the obvious (and many not so obvious) possibilities in compizconfig-settings-manager for the workspace switcher settings, and I see nothing for changing the number of workspaces06:58
Picijelabarre: I believe its in the general settings. I'm not sure which tab, I dont have it here.06:58
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albert23jelabarre: in CCSM try general options, tab desktop size, horizontal virtual size06:58
jelabarrethere's a setting called "number of desktops" under the "Desktop Size" tab, but changing that doesn't change anything06:58
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 5 see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5
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-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken!07:00
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jelabarrewould simply uninstalling all compiz packages be enough to disable compiz & all it's affects, or do I have to remove other packages as well?07:06
albert23jelabarre: did you already try to switch compiz off in appearance, tab desktop effects?07:08
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jelabarreOK, that's the switch I was looking for.  The major 2 things I wanted compiz for were the window wall & the workspace cube.  But if I can't even get those to work, then the rest is a hinderance07:11
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stefanoHello guys, i am wondering. If i install gutsy tribe 5, as the continue updating it and hopefully release the final, will the updates continue?07:13
stefanowhat i am trying to say, will it keep upgrading until the final?07:14
multiverseHi all, sorry for the repost, but I am trying to learn about how everything gets packaged up!07:16
multiverseI recently purchased a Lenovo Thinkpad R61, which has a very new nVIDIA graphics card.  I decided to install Ubuntu and eventually had to move to 7.10 tribe 5 in the hopes the drivers were newer too.  Ubuntu 7.10 tribe 5 Alternate CD file list - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-amd64.list - lists only one nVIDIA related package:  /pool/restricted/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_2005102807:16
multiverseI can't seem to find the packages in Tribe 5.07:16
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albert23multiverse: In Synaptic I also see nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new07:19
multiverseI am using the 64 bit Alt CD, which contains only:  ./n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20051028+1ubuntu7_all.deb07:20
multiverseSo when I install, I never get video.07:20
multiverseSo I cannot install the package you just pointed me to.07:20
albert23Well, I don't know how I got these packages listed, but I also used Alternate 64 bit to install07:21
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lunitikWhat does the 'enterprise' tag on some packages entail? I thought Ubuntu wasn't differentiating between Enterprise and Home use?07:21
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multiverseAre you installing onto Thinkpad R61?07:22
multiverseI guess this sounds like a bug, am I right?07:22
albert23No, on a laptop with Intel graphics.07:22
multiverseShould I go file a bug ticket?07:22
albert23My sound works when I compile alsa myself, with a patch for the realtek codec07:23
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multiversealbert23, I can't see a console, so I can't install the recommended package.07:23
albert23There are already many bugs for intel-hda sound, so you could better find a listed bug and add your comments there07:24
multiverseI would like to see the newer nVIDIA driver be a part of the install.07:24
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lunitikmultiverse: ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work?07:24
multiverseALbert, I'm talking about the nVIDIA thing, not sound.07:24
multiverseNo it doesn't.  Let me give you a link:07:24
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stefanoCould anyone tell me if any update will be done to tribe5 when gutsy gets release?07:26
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stefanoOr will there be parts that will still be tribe5 and i will need to reinstall the release anew?07:27
albert23multiverse: I think you could try to get in vesa mode, using a boot option like vga=77107:28
albert23stefano: I have seen some small differences between updated tribe 3 and a fresh tribe 4 install, so no guarantees from me07:30
albert23for example, sensors-appplet works in the updated tribe 3, but does not work in fresh tribe 407:30
stefanoWell, it really isn't that important, i could just spend a whole day putting back my stuff :D07:31
albert23I will just see if things I want to have are working fine. If not, then re-install07:32
stefanoYeah, that is what i am planning.07:32
stefanoIs long as my ubuntu partition isn't junked up by useless old things, it is all fine.07:32
albert23My /var/cache/apt/archive is filling up nicely :-)07:33
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stefanohmm, about that... When you remove an app throu apt-get.. How do you make sure it removes the specific catch files?07:34
stefanoJust to make sure it doesn't take the all out.07:34
albert23I don't know, but I don't think the cache is very critical. It's just a cache07:35
stefanoIt is! ^^ Saves you countless seconds of your life reinstalling apps that have turned the back on the user.07:36
multiverseThanks albert, I'll report back07:37
albert23stefano: well, I don't expect apt-get will throw away everything. Just a few files will not take too much time (I am on broadband)07:39
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mrtimdogHi, is there any way of listing, or creating a synaptic filter for, all packages which have no dependants, i.e., leaf packages?08:03
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asisakmrtimdog: you can list every package and look if it has rdepends08:04
asisakDoes not seem optimal, but seems to work :)08:04
mrtimdogasisak: Thanks, just looking into it...08:06
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casey_lapwhat's the procedure for initiating an upgrade to gutsy via Synaptic?08:12
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=== asisak would recommend to do it using update-manager
casey_lapi have update-manager 0.59.23 installed08:13
casey_lapyeah, sorry, i meant UM08:13
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes08:13
casey_lapthere's no gutsy notes there08:13
thoreauputiccasey_lap: same procedure08:13
casey_lapdoesn't seem to work08:14
casey_lapI run "update-manager -d" and it doesn't show an Upgrade button08:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about doesntworh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:14
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.08:14
casey_lapthanks for that :-/08:14
miklhmm, the option to add more virtual desktops has disappeared from the Workspace Switcher Preferences - does anyone know how else to change it?08:14
casey_lapso what is the procedure? "Run 'update-manager -d'" is the official procedure?08:15
asisakcasey_lap: update-manager -c -d08:15
casey_lapthat's the one I was looking for08:15
casey_lapthanks, asisak08:15
thoreauputiccasey_lap: gutsy isn't released yet so you won't get the upgrade option as such08:15
thoreauputiccasey_lap: asisak has the answer :)08:15
asisakthoreauputic: sure, but #ubuntu+1 is a channel for gutsy08:16
casey_lapeven with -c -d it says I don't have any new updates :-/08:16
asisakI hope casey_lap knows what he intends to do :D08:16
casey_lapi do08:16
asisakcasey_lap: are you sure the mirror you are using has gutsy available as well?08:16
casey_lapi complete fscked my desktop by just changed all feisty to gutsy in sources.list, but my laptop has been grand with upgrades08:16
thoreauputicasisak: ummm - yes - I just meant that the uograde-manager won't offer it yet without the extra switch08:16
casey_lapwow...worst grammar ever in my sentence above o.008:17
casey_lapwhich mirror should i be using?08:17
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asisaks/feisty/gutsy/ on /etc/sources.list08:17
miklcasey_lap: if you do upgrade, remember to remove *ALL* 3rd party packages first08:17
casey_lapthat hosed my desktop08:17
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casey_lapgdm wouldn't even start when i forced it08:17
casey_lapmikl: is there a quick way to do that? I.e., can I wildcard it?08:18
thoreauputiccasey_lap: what does lsb_release -a tell you ?08:18
miklcasey_lap: as asisak said and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade to be sure you've got everything08:18
casey_lapno LSB modules available08:18
miklcasey_lap: just remove all 3rd party repositories from sources.list08:19
thoreauputiccasey_lap: you should see another 4 lines08:19
casey_lapNo LSB modules are available.08:19
casey_lapDistributor ID:Ubuntu08:19
casey_lapDescription:Ubuntu 7.0408:19
miklcasey_lap: aptitude (or synaptic) has a category of "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages"08:20
thoreauputiccasey_lap: OK so you haven't completed an upgrade, right?08:20
casey_lapi'm trying to get one started...this was a fresh install of Feisty08:20
miklcasey_lap: those not in a repository currently enabled ends up there, so you can just purge them all in one fell swoop by pressing _ on the headline in aptitude :)08:20
thoreauputiccasey_lap: do you have all gutsy sources in /etc/apt/sources.list ?08:20
casey_lapi was very wary of changing those08:21
casey_lapthat's how i "upgraded" a rock-solid feisty install on my desktop into tardzone08:21
casey_lapgdm wouldn't even start when i rebooted08:22
miklcasey_lap: that is wise - be sure to be ready when you do and then run dist-upgrade, not just normal upgrade08:22
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casey_lapok...so I *should* change all my sources in sources.list, and then do a dist-upgrade?08:23
miklcasey_lap: only after you've removed 3rd party packages, but yes08:29
casey_lapi nuked automatix (yeah, yeah) and easyubuntu via synaptic08:29
rsthreehas anybody tried gutsy tribe 5 with a dell inspiron 1420n?08:29
casey_lapdo i need to remove java and the like?08:29
asisakcasey_lap: depends on which jre / jde and how it got installed08:29
casey_lapi better be on the safe side08:29
miklcasey_lap: you'll lose nothing by removing it before08:29
miklbut remember to use the purge operation08:29
casey_lapdoh, right so08:29
mikland check if Synaptic shows remaining configuration for any packages - you might as well get rid of the cruft while you can :)08:29
casey_lapwhere in synap?08:29
miklcasey_lap: I'll just check08:29
miklcasey_lap: I don't have any of that, but I think when you do, it's when you press the status button08:29
miklNot installed (remaining configuration) or something like that08:29
casey_lapi have a load of codecs and the like installed08:29
casey_lapbut i'm leaving them in therfe08:29
miklInstalled (local or obsolete) is the one I mentioned before08:29
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casey_lapright...so change my sources now and dist-upgrade, correct?08:29
miklcasey_lap: yes, if you have gotten rid of the 3rd party packages (medibuntu etc.)08:30
casey_lapalright, i removed my codecs :'(08:32
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casey_lapand the adventure begins08:34
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rexy_If i boot the kernel/initrd of the hd for a network install, will it mount that disk or create it;s own in memory fs(trying to boot it of a disk that needs to be repartitioned)08:34
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bullgard4swsusp.txt of kernel 2.6.20 writes: "Make sure that your disk drivers (ahci, ata_pci) are built into the kernel." Are the modules ahci, ata_pci per default already built into the kernel 2.6.22?09:14
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miklbullgard4: as far as I remember, yes, ubuntu has those modules compiled in09:18
miklUbuntu's kernel is more or less completely monolithic09:19
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peepsalotwhat's the download link for ISOs?09:26
peepsaloti can't find a link from ubuntu.com09:27
bullgard4mikl: Thank you.09:27
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miklpeepsalot: I take it you found it?09:30
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bullgard4mikl: But my question was if they are built into the kernel. not just as modules.09:30
miklpeepsalot: good - enjoy. Gutsy is looking good09:31
miklbullgard4: they are09:31
mrtimdogasisak: Thanks for the leaf package hint. I've now got a little script: apt-leaves that does the trick :)09:31
asisakI guess it was not me :)09:31
miklbullgard4: that's what I meant by monolithic09:31
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bullgard4mikl: Ok, thank you.09:32
asisakmrtimdog: but if you have the script somewhere available (pastebin) I would be interested09:32
peepsalotmikl, i entered a bug that happens on my hardware about a year or so ago.  a few days ago someone asked in the bug comments for me to try it with gutsy.  i'm curious if it was actually fixed09:32
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miklpeepsalot: well, you never know - often a new kernel version fixes a lot of stuff09:33
mrtimdogasisak: Just for fun, as a one liner:09:33
mrtimdogfor p in $(dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}');{ [[ $(apt-cache rdepends $p|wc -l) -gt 2 ] ]  || echo $p;}09:33
asisakOh that is what you mean by leaf :)09:33
asisakThen sure, I was the one who gave the hint :)09:33
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peepsalotmikl, i'm curious, but not too hopeful.  this computer has turned out to be one of the worst purchases I've ever made.  I'm never buying VIA hardware again09:34
asymetricalDid the kernel update yesteday break the Nvidia restricted drivers because of the kernel mismatch?09:34
miklpeepsalot: yes, VIA is not known for quality, sadly09:34
miklI have come to enjoy Intel chipsets very much these last years09:35
peepsalotdo nforce chipsets have good compatibility with linux?09:35
miklpeepsalot: if memory serves, nVidia have released proprietary drivers for them only09:36
miklpeepsalot: so no proper drivers, only binary blobs :(09:36
peepsalotwhat is a good mobo chipset for AMD cpus?09:36
peepsalotthe intel boards have open drivers?09:37
miklwell, I'll have to pass on that one - I haven't used anything AMD with Linux for some years09:38
pwnguinmy nforce3 runs fine09:38
peepsalotpwnguin, do you use things like suspend or hibernate?09:39
miklpeepsalot: yes - everything works out-of-the-box on Ubuntu on all my Intel-based machines :D09:39
pwnguinpeepsalot: on my desktop? i tried, but it doesn't seem to work09:39
miklpeepsalot: Intel wireless chips require proprietary firmware, but it is included with Ubuntu09:40
asymetricalDoes anyone know if the kernel upgrade from yesterday mismatched the nvidia drivers and caused X to fail09:40
peepsalotso does gutsy really have this "bulletproof" X i have heard about?09:40
gnomefreakasymetrical: no issues here09:41
gnomefreakpeepsalot: yes its not turned on yet though09:41
gnomefreakpeepsalot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post322397109:41
miklpeepsalot: I've not had the "pleasure" of needing it yet, but it's going to work for the final release09:41
gnomefreakthat from the X developer09:41
peepsalothmm, ok.  so there is still a xorg.conf file.  i thought I heard they would somehow do away with it09:43
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pwnguinpeepsalot: thats somewhat seperate from bulletproof09:46
peepsalotpwnguin, is there a word for that?09:46
peepsalotand is/will it be implemented in Gutsy09:47
pwnguinxserver 1.409:47
pwnguinwhich by all counts is released too late for gutsy09:47
peepsalothmm, so it is at least going from 1.2 to 1.3, i wonder how much different those versions are09:49
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pwnguinwhat i dont get is why kde apps sqeal when a stylus is defined in xorg.conf without being present09:52
peepsalotso with xserver 1.4, it is supposed to just be able to autodetect everything?09:53
miklpeepsalot: bulletproof X is more about a failover X if your configuration fails09:55
miklpeepsalot: so if you hose your configuration X will start up in "safe mode" allowing you to fix the configuration within X instead of having to use the CLI (which is scary to many people)09:56
peepsalotmikl, yeah i think i had it mixed up earlier, but I'm more curious about the whole thing with 1.4 not needing xorg.conf09:57
peepsalotthough i do understand I'll have to wait till gutsy+1 for that.09:57
miklpeepsalot: I don't know if that's 1.4 too, but that is certainly more exciting (to me) than the bullet-proof stuff09:58
randy026my firefox won't download extensions? does anyone else have this problem?10:00
pwnguinunfortantely, there isnt a good solution to autodetect10:00
pwnguinedids aren't sufficient to describe displays10:00
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mrtimdogAnyone got audacity to work through pulseaudio?10:00
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miklrandy026: no, that sounds odd10:02
randy026yeah I can click on install now and it will just sit there10:03
randy026before that it takes a year to pop up10:03
randy026it won't even let me save link as and download it10:03
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miklrandy026: try looking at launchpad to see if it's a known issue - there might be a fix :)10:04
__timRandy026: I had that issue until very recently (on x86-64) with the 'install now' thing for flash. Now it downloads and install the flash packages but doesn't actually pick them up :)10:05
miklrandy026: yes, Ubuntu's bugtracker/translation/project management/etc all-in-one development tool10:06
randy026ahh ok10:06
miklrandy026: bugs.ubuntu.com10:06
pwnguinhmm. i think i broke gnome =(10:09
miklpwnguin: GNOME users across the world will hate you now ;)10:09
pwnguini have no gnome panel =(10:09
mikloh, yes - I've tried that before10:10
miklI always keep a shortcut to gnome-terminal on the desktop for that very same reason10:10
miklpwnguin: killall gnome-panel & gnome-panel ; usually does the trick10:10
mikl killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel &10:11
pwnguinstill, im not sure why it happened10:11
miklpwnguin: It usually does stuff like that on every development branch I've used since 2.510:13
miklI've never taken time to research why, though :)10:14
pwnguini just logged out and back in again, no problem10:14
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pvandewyngaerdeRAOF: blog post about phonon  http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/ , its getting integrated with QT :-)10:23
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multiverseI am installing Tribe 5 64 bit with ALT CD manufacturer test install.  It asks me to provide a password for the "new user", but it doesn't offer me the opportunity to create the actual user.  I guess it's creating it's own user, but I don't know what user that is.  Naturally I tried to login via the console as root, but that shouldn't work and it didn't.  So what is that mystery user?10:25
multiverse"test install" should be "text install"10:26
nemikis anyone getting back checksums for guidance-backends?10:29
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Great_Britonhere's a daft question, i'm stuck with just one workspace, how do i get more?10:36
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Great_Britonhere's a repeat of my daft question, i'm stuck with just one workspace, how do i get more?10:39
twilightGreat_Briton: gconf-editor /apps/metacity/general , there is a key "num_workspaces"10:41
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Great_Britontwilight: cheers10:41
Great_Britontwilight: i'm guessing it'll be moved into the new appearance preferences box?10:42
twilighti don't know, but probably there's a easier way to do it .. :)10:43
Great_Britonin gconf-editor it said i had 2 workspaces10:44
Great_Britoni changed it to 410:44
Great_Britonthe workspace switcher still only displays one xD10:45
twilightoh ... sure ...10:47
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twilightGreat_Briton: it's compiz, not metacity ... so, gconf-editor /apps/compiz/screen010:47
Great_Britonah, yes10:47
Great_Britontwilight: good call10:48
Great_Britontwilight: i was thinking along the same lines, but wasn't quite there, i turned effects on and off xD10:48
multiverseThat's embarrassing.  I just reinstalled and saw which user was created in a post install message.  :eyeroll:10:49
Great_Britontwilight: i did a little find for "workspace"10:50
twilightGreat_Briton: try to change hsize to 410:51
Great_Britontwilight: where?10:52
Great_Britontwilight: haha, it already is 410:53
twilightand "number_of_desktops"?10:53
Great_Britonthat's 110:53
Great_Britoni'll change it10:53
fuocowhat's better these days, gnash or swfdec?10:54
twilighthhmm, i've hsize = 4 and number_of_desktops = 1, and i've 4 workspaces, so there is something else to change10:54
Great_Britonfuoco: gnash as far as i know10:54
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twilightGreat_Briton: are you sure that now you're not running metacity? lol10:55
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Great_Britontwilight: my windows are wobbly :/10:56
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twilightGreat_Briton: ok, if you have the compizconfig-settings-manager package installed, then System->Preferences->CompizConfig <etc...>, General Options, Desktop size10:58
Great_Britoni used to, but i reinstalled10:58
Great_Britontwilight: where do (did) i get it from?10:59
Great_Britontwilight: it's okay, i got it now10:59
twilightGreat_Briton: you can install it from synaptic / aptitude / apt-get, if you have enabled the Universe repository11:00
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Great_Britontwilight: installing now11:00
Great_Britonon another note, both clearlooks and human are looking really smart now11:01
Great_Britontwilight: bingo. sorted now :D11:02
twilightGreat_Briton: great, that was my last idea ... :)11:02
Great_Britontwilight: i've used this program before, i should've thought of it earlier xD11:02
Great_Britontwilight: now i also get to tinker with every tiny little compiz setting :D11:04
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stefanoHey guys, i just finished installing gusty gibbons. Wow i have to say you really improved the install speed. In less than 20 mins it was installed on my system!11:21
stefanoI do have problems when i try to update, most of the updates get stuck when trying to download them.11:22
stefanoIt doesn't find them on the internet.11:22
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LinAsHstefano, try to switch to the main repository (ie: archive.ubuntu.com instead of it.archive.ubuntu.com, assuming you're Italian ;)11:26
stefanolol :P11:26
stefanoGood guess as to where i am from, ^^, but i am not there. In us.11:26
stefanoFonts are a bit "cleartyped" to the max.11:27
stefanoIs there a way to make them sharper? lol, it makes me think i am the one with the fuzzy vision.11:27
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LinAsHstefano, if on LCD their is a tool to set this.11:28
stefanoOverall, it is like a kick in the ass to feisty.11:28
DanaGHere's my sources.list: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/sources.list11:30
DanaGI have both the OMG-fast (if in USA) and the official us.archive.ubuntu.com enabled; since kernel.org is first, it takes priority if it's up to date.11:31
stefanoDanaG, these sources are good?11:31
DanaGI think us.archive may be behind sometimes, so you can use the main archive instead.11:32
stefanowow, i can finally disable the friggin pc speaker beep!11:32
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DanaGBut mirrors.kernel.org is on ridiculously large pipes -- it can saturate almost any connection.11:33
stefanoWhat do you mean on large pipes?11:33
stefanolol, gb connections?11:33
DanaGIt's even better if you're at a college, with gigabit ethernet.11:33
DanaGIf I go on GbE in the lab at Cal Poly, I can actually reach gigabit speeds.11:34
stefanolol, I have a gb network at home, lol transfers are blazing fast on windows.11:34
DanaGI'm limited mostly by the NIC and by my hard drive, I think.11:34
stefanolol... windows with windows.11:34
DanaGIt'd be limited by your ISP, actually.11:34
stefanoYeah, my dl speed is 786 kbps.11:34
DanaGUS ISPs suck.11:35
stefanoThe amount i pay for such service in this development country could seriously get me a 16 Gbit connection in europe.11:35
stefanoNot really in US, i am in Dominican Republic.11:35
stefanoBut the dl speeds tops my connection all the time from the us.11:35
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DanaGI don't even need gigabit -- all I'd really wish for is 10-megabit down, and 1 megabit up.11:37
DanaGRight now I'm on Charter -- 3 megabits down, 256 kilobits up -- yet if you try to use even 192 up, it kills your downstream.11:38
stefanoDanaG, i can't connect to your "sources.list" file :(11:38
DanaGHmm, go up a level.11:39
DanaGDang, the Poly site is down.11:39
DanaGWell, anyway, here's how I have it:11:39
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DanaGdeb http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse11:40
DanaGNote that I have multiverse enabled; you might not need it.11:40
DanaGAnd there's also gutsy-updates, gutsy-backports, gutsy-security, gutsy-proposed.11:41
DanaGYou can just edit your current sources, duplicate the existing lines, and make the upper ones be mirrors.kernel.org.11:41
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noah__Hey! In Ubuty Gutsy, /etc/mysql/my.cf, the last line says !includedir /etc/mysql/conf.d, but settings in here doesn't get applied.. bug?11:47
voidmageI just installed eclipse and have a ton of problems with it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35718/11:50
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tdneVmoIm installing ubuntu12:00
tdneVmoIm in the guide, and its say "No root file system is defined" ? I have a swap partition, an ext3 partition and an ntfs with winxp on it12:01
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LinAsHtdneVmo, and the mount path for your ext3 part have been set to "/"?12:04
tdneVmoIm not good at linux, dont know how to check that12:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133707 in debian-installer "cryptsetup missing in alternate-amd64 as of 20 aug" [Undecided,New] 12:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136225 in ubuntu "my.cnf includedir not working as expected" [Undecided,New] 12:05
tdneVmoIts says so in the installer to, but how do i set mountpoint "/" ?12:06
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LinAsHtdneVmo, is there no input box to set this?12:08
tdneVmoAah doh "edit partition"12:09
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LinAsHtdneVmo, I think they might have change the installation tool interface since the last guide ;)12:12
tdneVmoNow it just made the linux partition in two?12:13
tdneVmomount point "/" and free space ?12:13
tdneVmoDidnt ask it to do that! hehe12:14
tdneVmoHow big should the root file system partition be?12:14
tdneVmoThe / root partition is only 600 mb.. is that enough?12:15
LinAsHit's not!12:16
LinAsHshould be at least 2GB12:16
ossurayynot(for a desktop install anyway)12:16
tdneVmoWhat is the root partition for?12:17
tdneVmoThe swap partition is 2 gb, is that good enough?12:17
ossurayynottdneVmo, the root partition is where everything that isn't explicitly stated for somewhere else (for instance, if you set up a separate /home) goes.12:18
tdneVmoI have 15000mb free12:18
ossurayynotThat's plenty of swap, if not too much.12:18
tdneVmoWhat is a /home?12:18
ossurayynotuser directory12:19
ossurayynotErm, are you sure you should be running gutsy?12:19
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gnomefreaknow you ask?12:19
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gnomefreakhint would have been what is the root partition for12:20
tdneVmoIm not running gutsy12:21
tdneVmoI was told that i should because it was alpha12:21
gnomefreaktdneVmo: dont run gutsy why are you in here getting help if your not running gutsy?12:22
tdneVmoThis is the ubuntu channel, not the gutsy channel?12:24
LinAsH(gutsy == ubuntu+1)12:24
asisakThis is gutsy. Now.12:24
gnomefreaktdneVmo: this is #ubuntu+112:24
LinAsH-> /join #ubuntu12:24
gnomefreaktdneVmo: you want #ubuntu12:24
tdneVmosorry :)12:25
tdneVmoIt enough with a "/" partition and a swap partition right?12:30
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FrankHis anyone else having trouble with no sound in ubuntu gutsy?12:44
asisakFrankH: do you have linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-... installed?12:45
FrankHseems to have happened after i installed the fluendo mp3 codec for gstreamer12:45
FrankHand mpg321 and vorbis-tools12:47
FrankHusing an old SBLive card12:47
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