[01:18] maybe? [01:18] I use GDM :-\ [01:18] hmm, I finally got Azureus to work. Now I can stop using uTorrent in WINE. Yay. === Fulk [n=test@87-194-176-39.bethere.co.uk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:22] Nice! [01:23] anon32, I just tested out azureus [01:23] Turns out azureus also doubles as a handy X-restarting tool. [01:23] lol [01:30] haha === malnilion [n=malnilio@129.244.177.157] has joined #ubuntu+1 === arpu [n=arpu@p54BFF691.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jshaffer [n=jshaffer@129.110.192.124] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BinaryMutant_ [n=cas3@adsl-074-245-016-099.sip.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === darkstar61 [n=darkstar@213-140-6-100.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-76-202-198-213.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mluser [n=mluser@208.178.12.226] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mattyv [n=mattyv@220-253-46-108.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:07] does firefox have a problem installing normal add-ons for anyone else? === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === ThrobbingBrain66 [n=bradley@CPE-24-208-44-208.new.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === seba [n=m1r0@83-131-193-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:31] I have an Asus m6800n laptop and suspend to ram is not working on it, seem to go through all the motions but never actually suspends. A hard reboot is the only way to recover [02:32] I probably should mentioned that it works just fine in Feisty but not in Gutsy [02:33] mluser: Gutsy just recieved a new update of the powermanager. did you already install it? [02:34] Yes, about 20 minutes ago. When I saw it I was excited, thought it might solve this problem [02:36] mluser: You should probably file a bug, stating that it's a regression from Feisty. It's probably against linux-source. [02:36] Ok.. will do.. thanks :) [02:37] mluser: Useful things for you to do include: trying all the old kernels and finding the last one that works. [02:38] RAOF: I have no old kernels in Gutsy, did an update from feisty yesterday === duud [n=dima@p5088A82A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:39] mluser: By "update" you therefore mean "clean install", right? Otherwise your feisty kernel would still be hanging around :). [02:39] I've a question myself. A few days ago i've installed Gutsy in the hope i'd finally get rid of bug #109629. That worked, but now my GL apps (screen saver, games, etc.) they all make Xfce restart. Now, that's no real biggie, but i was wondering if it's a known issue. [02:39] Launchpad bug 109629 in linux-source-2.6.20 "3com NIC stops working after some time" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109629 [02:40] Balaams_Miracle: nvidia drivers? Running compiz? [02:40] Actually thats a good point.. I did do an update, and then manaully removed the entries from menu.1st for the old kernels, perhaps I'll add them again and try === Balaams_Miracle just found a feature of ubotu he didn't know about [02:40] !botsnack [02:40] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! === RAOF pets ubotu like a cat [02:41] RAOF: No compiz/beryl/fusion. Just plain old Xfce4.4.1. The nvidia drivers were installed automatically (hope that's what you meant) [02:42] Balaams_Miracle: Yup, that's what I mean. Hm. Does xfce have composite effects (drop-shadows, real transparency, etc)? === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === chrisbudden14 [n=chrisbud@dsl-dp-81-140-121-168.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:44] RAOF: Nothing that could be attributed to GL. And since i'm not always to clear (it's a complaint i often get), i'd like to re-state that it only occurs when some app uses GL. As soon as such a program initializes, the WM crashes and i need to log in again [02:45] Balaams_Miracle: Yeah. I'm just trying to narrow it down. [02:45] Come to think of it. Xfce does have some (unaccellerated) dropshadows though [02:45] There *is* a known issue with nvidia+compiz+any GL app killing X [02:46] I'm just wondering whether the "killing X" bit is actually caused by *any* composite manager, not just Compiz. [02:47] I've just checked all processes, but neither compiz nor beryl has been sneeking its way onto my system. === LukeEkblad [n=luke@72-173-46-195.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:47] I'm pretty sure that xfce does have a composite manager component. You may want to check the settings, see if anything jumps out. [02:47] (i'm using a small emergency HDD, so i need to keep the amount of installed apps as small as i can) [02:48] Hello [02:48] when gusty going to be released? [02:48] LukeEkblad: Oct 18th [02:48] (Metacity is the only non-composite-manager WM that's current, IIRC) :) [02:49] RAOF: I will check. But i must admit that i kind of doubt that Xfce itself is to blame. But... We can't rule out anything befiore it's checked :-) [02:49] awwwww, thats a long time from now [02:49] What are the main changes? [02:50] Balaams_Miracle: I'm not blaming xfce. I'm blaming nvidia :). If there's any option that looks like "composite", try turning it off and see if that fixes it :) [02:51] LukeEkblad: Gnome 2.20, displayconfig-gtk, bulletproof-X, AppArmour, um... stuff [02:51] LukeEkblad: Go to http://www.ubuntu/com/testing , it will tell you more than we can do [02:52] Balaams_Miracle: Also, if there *isn't* any composite-like options, you could try installing metacity, run it with "metacity --replace", and see GL apps under metacity kill X. [02:53] page not found === duud [n=dima@p5088A82A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:53] Try http://www.ubuntu.com/testing instead of http://www.ubuntu/com/testing [02:54] Trailing slash? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ [02:55] wait, i can download it right now??? [02:56] Yes, for testing purposes. Of course! [02:56] We don't drop totally untested releases and say "go, use this!" ;) [02:56] RAOF: I'm using Xfce in Dutch and the translation is not all that great (working on it though), but i think i've just found a setting that would enable compositing. I've disabled it and will try [02:57] shoudl i use it? [02:57] LukeEkblad: Only if you want to file bugs, basically. [02:57] LukeEkblad: If you are going to try Gutsy, either run it in a virtual machine or be prepared to face bugs, errors and other problems [02:57] Better wait until october 18th [02:58] ok [02:58] nvm [02:58] I'm good === Balaams_Miracle will be right back... [02:59] thanks, bye === LukeEkblad [n=luke@72-173-46-195.cust.wildblue.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=dana@adsl-75-15-152-147.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] RAOF: It worked! Thanks a bunch! Xfce doesn't look as spiffy as it did 10 minutes ago, like without the dropshadows and alpha blending stuff, but that's a minute price to pay. [03:02] is there server version 7.10 ? [03:02] seba: there probably will be. [03:02] yes i know, but i mean now for testing [03:02] seba: Yes. [03:03] Balaams_Miracle: Cool. One less compiz bug! === emet [n=emet@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:09] RAOF: well, i knew it wasn't compiz, it's not installed on my system :-) === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-034.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] Balaams_Miracle: Yeah. But the fact that nvidia+GL dies when there's *any* composite manager, rather than just compiz, gets us closer to pointing at nVidia and saying "Nyaaa! Fix your crappy drivers" [03:11] Aha! Now i see. I'm a bit dense today... === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 === duud [n=dima@p5088A82A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-034.200.popsite.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Jupiter] [03:14] Balaams_Miracle: Oooh. You may want to try using the nvidia-glx rather than the nvidia-glx-new drivers. Apparently that's a regression in the 100.whatever drivers. [03:16] uhoh.. i've overclocked my card too much ;) === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clever [n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034215107.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nickrud [n=nickrud_@adsl-69-230-163-196.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === iblicf [n=iblicf@125.34.26.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:34] are there any apt/dpkg wizards about at the moment? :P [03:34] hello guys,, i installed the abiword ,but it just 'abort core dumpted',,any idea .. === aka_youtube [n=louis@ip216-239-88-57.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:35] I'm suddently experiencing graphics problems in gutsy [03:36] when I open something under wine (firefox or world of warcraft) or a 3D game like planeshift it log out before the app even starts [03:36] its like gdm restart or something [03:37] anyone knows about this bug? === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:39] aka_youtube: Yes. Blame nvidia. Or use the nvidia-glx (not nvidia-glx-new) drivers. [03:39] aka_youtube: dont's know why, but i intrest in your characters in WOW [03:40] hehe [03:41] snadge: i dont know how much you need to be a wizard, more just reading the man pages [03:41] brb [03:42] Hobbsee: this is a very difficult problem though.. i only say that because amaranth doesn't know how to solve it and is suspecting a fault in the packaging subsystem, rather than the way the particular package was packaged [03:42] the culprit is the compiz-core package from his unofficial gutsy backport repo for compiz [03:43] what's the problem? === szf_ [n=sean@c-24-60-10-245.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:43] compiz-core permanently thinks it needs to be upgraded [03:43] to the same version as the one thats already installed [03:44] so if you do aptitude upgrade.. multiple times.. it will just keep reinstalling that package [03:45] why does it say it needs upgrading? [03:45] thats what i'd like to know [03:45] installed version and to install version are identical [03:46] is the package "compiz" installed? [03:47] ok theres 2 compiz packages.. what looks like amaranth's one [03:47] and the ubuntu one [03:48] cant remember how to tell which one is installed === randy026 [n=randy026@70-58-155-80.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:49] apt-cache policy [03:50] ok, amaranths one is installed [03:50] does the amaranth one have the same version number as the compiz-core package? [03:50] i'd really love to know how to make apt tell me why it thinks it need to be upgraded [03:50] Hobbsee: it wants to upgrade from mine to mine [03:50] same version number, package hasn't changed at all [03:50] and it just keeps doing it [03:51] i've found the problem i think ;) [03:51] or something which could point to it [03:51] Amaranth: there's probably a debug mode on apt. did you ever ask mvo what it was? [03:51] have a look at apt-cache policy for compiz and compiz-core [03:51] they're "different" im not sure what relevence this is [03:51] Amaranth: also, are your version numbers above or below ubuntu's, because that will mess with it too [03:51] Hobbsee: I keep forgetting [03:51] Hobbsee: above [03:51] right [03:52] snadge: i don't even have feisty running here :) [03:52] ok i'll paste what the policy output for both packages shows [03:52] i have a couple of users who know how to follow directions to debug problems :) === Amaranth stabs nautilus [03:53] might use pastebin.. [03:53] this is the crappiest code i've ever had to plow through [03:53] it's literally impossible to follow === RAOF has heard rumours to that effect before [03:53] even the maintainer doesn't remember how this bit of code works :P [03:54] http://pastebin.ca/675374 [03:54] why does the entry for compiz-core have 3 entries in the version table? [03:55] but compiz package 2 [03:55] snadge: we already knew this [03:55] it's because apt thinks the local one and the remote one are different [03:56] so it comes back to the question of why would it think that [03:56] every other package works, it doesnt make sense.. whats so special about compiz-core === tatters [n=test@ACBD4AD6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:59] my centrino b/g wireless card (ipw2200) has been detected but seems dead to the world ,no signals being transmitted or recieved, it works fine in windows (multiboot) === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:02] Amaranth: do you know if multiple people are getting this? [04:03] everyone using my repo is getting this [04:03] the output of showpkg is interesting too.. it shows the same thing.. ubuntu thinks theres two versions of the same package available.. one associated with amaranth's repo.. and the other with /var/lib/dpkg/status [04:03] both with the same version [04:03] yes, this is already known [04:04] if it doesn't say _why_ it's not helpful [04:04] Amaranth: i wonder if it still happens if you bump the version number for compiz in your repo [04:04] it does [04:05] i'm bumped it 4 times since the repo was created [04:05] and it's always been like this [04:05] originally is was because the index had 'Priority: Optional' instead of 'Priority: optional' [04:05] but cprov fixed that [04:06] ah right [04:07] being the tool that i am.. i'd almost suggest loading apt into a debugger [04:08] won't help [04:08] and setting a breakpoint where its figuring out whether the installed version is the same as the available one [04:08] you need apt to spit out it's reasoning, not follow it's code path === michael_ [n=michael@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] damn.. now i know why i never try and fix things in open source stuff.. i've wasted half a day and am no closer to figuring it out === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:17] anyone tried Gutsy in MacBook Pro (SantaRosa) with nvidia? [04:19] Hey cool, there's one Microsoft package in Ubuntu [04:19] well, actually, two [04:20] which? [04:20] msttcorefonts, obviously [04:21] ironpython [04:21] i've got a few ideas.. install a backported apt/dpkg from gutsy [04:21] see if that fixes it [04:22] have a look at trevinos compiz-core package and see how it differs === tatters [n=test@ACBD4AD6.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] [04:22] im assuming that his repo doesnt suffer from this problem [04:22] bah. trevhino crack. that'll break your system quicker than anything. [04:22] I can't run compiz because my screen resolution is higher than my maximum texture resolution.. [04:22] i didnt say anything about installing it.. just looking at it [04:22] any workarounds for that? === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:24] the other option is to just install gutsy... [04:24] and pretend this problem never existed ;) [04:25] anon32: ah [04:25] snadge: you really dont want to backport dpkg and friend.s === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:25] well, if you were, you may as well just run gutsy [04:26] quick question: why does the next codename start with 'H' again? [04:26] wouldn't it be more logical to use a new one? [04:26] well if gutsy is packaged the same as the feisty repo.. then it would point to a fault in the dpkg/apt in feisty [04:27] the next step would be to figure out what changes fixed the problem, possibly attempt to work around it === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS is now known as derekS === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:31] I've a problem with kaffeine, seeking trough files is kind of impossible as terribly slow, actually it will freeze and crash kaffeine === michael_ [n=michael@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-35-247.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:40] i can't seem to be able to install the source package for trevinhos compiz [04:40] f$@# it.. i'll just install it === duud [n=dima@p5088A82A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:42] what's the gutsy mailing list url? [04:43] I don't think there is one, unless you mean the "gutsy-changes" list. === slimz [n=slimz@modemcable023.68-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] anyone know if there's a way to reset all ubuntu settings back to default without reinstalling completely? i've been using gutsy since tribe 1, and now it just a bit slow to boot up, no startup sound, no login sound, takes ~2-3 mins to login, but then works fine. [04:51] dpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh might do something useful, although it won't uninstall extra packages that might be causing you grief [04:51] what's -phigh? [04:52] the priority of question that you want to be bugged about [04:52] ahh [04:52] might even go -pcritical, but I haven't tried it before [04:53] and an aptitude full-upgrade can't hurt [04:53] dpkg-reconfigure -all -phigh wouldnt work [04:53] I wonder, could you do something like marking everything for removal, reselecting ubuntu-desktop, and aptitude reinstalling? [04:53] Unknown option: l [04:54] ohh, mark everything for reinstall, hope you have a big cache :) [04:54] im on a junk laptop [04:54] 1.7 pentium M [04:55] I need a bigger desk [04:55] aptitude has a L that marks for reinstall, by the way [04:58] gah, anyone know how to change default file icons? [04:58] change the theme [04:59] ....no, for a specific filetype [05:00] you could pick an icon you like, and drop it into a copy of the icon theme you're using and use that copy as your theme [05:00] .......no [05:00] anon32, I'm not a real fan of how icon themes work either === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:00] :-\ === Clinton__ [n=clinton@c-68-61-79-1.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:05] Where/how can I determine if certain packages will be includes in Gutsy? === sdest [n=sdest@c-69-250-163-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:06] packages.ubuntu.com maybe? [05:07] ah, it is there [05:07] *sigh* I last looked a few months ago [05:08] *sigh* and packages for Logitech's G15 keyboard still aren't going to be includes.... === Clinton__ [n=clinton@c-68-61-79-1.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === nickrud_ [n=nickrud_@adsl-69-230-163-196.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF19BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stefano [n=stefano@190.80.221.194] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:27] morning everyone === `ph8 [i=henri@85.234.155.91] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dougie [n=dougie@pool-71-240-28-61.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fignew_ [n=fig@r72h206.res.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Centaur5 [n=fishman@209.33.251.178] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === assasukasse [n=assasuka@n219079164170.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_ [n=Tomcat@p54A1C160.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === atrus [n=atrus@d199-126-255-144.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:07] trying to print a landscape-oriented pdf to a portrait-oriented printer with evince in gutsy, but it stretches it instead of rotating it. suggestions? === thiebaude [n=thiebaud@75.138.156.115] has joined #ubuntu+1 === demonspork [n=demonspo@d6-71.rb3.clm.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:09] how do i download 7.10 from the terminal, just for testing purposes? === demonspork [n=demonspo@d6-71.rb3.clm.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["I] [06:10] just wanna upgrade a installation? [06:10] yup [06:12] changing the repositories I guess in /etc/apt/sources.list === iblicf [n=iblicf@125.34.26.36] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:14] one i changed every occurance of fiesty to gustsy and nothing happened so i changed it back to feisty [06:14] gutsy === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:15] scizzo:i have a question about flash if you can help === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:15] hi, i just add a user ..by edit /etc/passwd & group ,,something wrong occured ..can't use sudo now ,.. [06:15] iblicf: Why would you do something like that manually? :( [06:16] iblicf: Recovery mode is your friend. :/ [06:16] coz i use SCO/AIX as that .. === RAOF is very happy to use adduser. [06:17] RAOF: recovery ...and use passwd my id? [06:17] Since you're capable of adding a user by manually editing passwd & group, it should be a snap to fix it in recovery mode. [06:17] iblicf: Well, you're root in recovery mode. Just fix it :) [06:17] You know how, right? === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:18] RAOF: just ..a little strange ,..is that one security policy? === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:19] iblicf: The thinking is that anyone who knows & cares enough to want physical security will also know and care enough to password protect grub :) [06:20] a lesson to me :) [06:23] Could anyone tell me if it is possible to do a "distro-upgrade" on feisty to gutsy? [06:23] Yes. [06:23] stefano: yes [06:23] I don't want to reinstall ubuntu from scratch. [06:24] Great! Know how? [06:24] stefano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?highlight=%28tribe%29%7C%285%29 [06:24] thanks [06:25] Will it be possible to revert back to feisty incase i don't like gutsy? [06:25] No [06:25] lol ^^, do my themes stay? [06:25] Yes. [06:25] *All* your stuff stays. [06:25] RAOF, thanks for the info. [06:26] also, report bugs on the upgrade process if anything bad happens [06:26] It wouldn't be much of an upgrade if your settings & installed programs & stuff didn't cary over :) [06:26] what happens is that you get a bleeding edge version of most things and its not likely that everything will work [06:27] all your files and everything stays.....but program and packages are changing.... === CharlesEdwardPax [n=charles@c-68-38-214-81.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CharlesEdwardPax [n=charles@c-68-38-214-81.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Parisi [n=jblparis@pool-71-164-72-155.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sboysel [n=sboysel@ip72-205-206-109.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:45] hey i my usb external harddrive is no longer recognized after a gutsy upgrade [06:45] any suggestions? [06:51] sboysel: does dmesg tell you anything? [06:51] umm one sec [06:52] can i send you the output? [06:52] what should i look for [06:53] my hd is connected via firewire === sboysel [n=sboysel@ip72-205-206-109.sb.sd.cox.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:54] run a: tail -f /var/log/dmesg [06:54] gah! === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip70-177-204-60.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088E7A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === makuseru [n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kousotu [i=Invincib@adsl-68-79-9-194.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:18] hmm I don't dare to test the glxgears at the moment....would love to do that to test my settings with graphicscard and so on [07:19] Can Windows EXEs be run on linux except through wine? [07:19] Kousotu: you need a emulator [07:19] Kousotu: like wine === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 === NastyAccident [n=NastyAcc@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=dana@adsl-75-15-152-147.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving."] === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nickrud_ [n=nickrud_@adsl-69-230-163-196.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kousotu [i=Invincib@adsl-68-79-9-194.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === ironmatar [n=ubuntu@pool-71-112-180-6.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ICU [n=me@sechzig.dd.ewetel.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kousotu [i=Invincib@adsl-68-79-9-194.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.8.157] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:03] hi all, I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which? === Ayabara [n=anr@62.70.2.252] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ironmatar [n=ubuntu@pool-71-112-180-6.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === juri__ [n=njpa@213.157.68.66] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Trewas [i=ilonen@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:08] shirish [08:08] I'm had issues with acrobat reader, so I decided to uninstall it and use Evince instead. Something's still wrong though. Every time I click a link to a pdf in evolution or firefox, firefox hangs. [08:08] the spped isn't that different [08:08] Ayabara: hapen to me n both window and linux === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:09] it's somewhat normal [08:10] Kousotu: so no fix for it? you just copy the link or download the pdf? [08:10] Ayabara: if you dl it should load fine, but I don't download many PDFs [08:11] so I can't attest to that === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:11] Kousotu: ok. thanks for the feedback :-) [08:11] no problem [08:12] glad I could povide it [08:12] xtknight you here? [08:12] Kousotu: you are wrong m8, there is a whole lotta difference, from 12 mbps to 480 mbps, that's quite a jump [08:13] shirish: ok, I have never noticed, betten answer? [08:13] better* [08:13] Ayabara: which version of firefox are you using, the 2.x series or 3.x series? [08:13] there's a 3.x series now?? [08:14] Kousotu: do an search through synaptic or apt-get for firefox-granparadiso === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:14] shirish: does T5 have it? [08:14] granparadiso is still alpha though [08:15] mattyv: right, but it has some cool features ;) [08:15] Kousotu: what's T5? [08:15] ... [08:15] T5 = Tricbe 5 [08:15] tribe* [08:15] Kousotu: nope, its in the repository though, its not installed by default [08:15] shirish: sure does, I'm using it exclusively on my gutsy box. Just thought I should mention the alphaness of it ;) [08:16] shirish: 2.0.0.6 [08:16] mattyv: I know, I used to use it exclusively till I turned to minefield, pre 3a8 which has some more cooler features [08:17] Ayabara: did you upgrade, there have been 2 updates to 2.0.0.6 series IIRC [08:17] Ayabara: correction 3 updates, its now at 2.0.0.6ubuntu3 [08:18] shirish: ah yes I should have differentiated, I'm using minefield too, liking bookmark tags [08:18] shirish: how can I check if I have the ubuntu3-version? [08:18] mattyv: hmm.... I haven't used that service [08:19] Ayabara: simple, do a dpkg -l firefox that would give you the version no. [08:19] shirish: I have a bit of an issue, think you could help me with it? [08:19] shirish: 2.0.0.6+2-0ubuntu3 [08:20] involves th Live cd [08:20] mattyv: I'm in organize bookmarks & don't see the tagging features === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:20] Kousotu: go ahead, maybe I know something maybe I don't [08:20] ;) [08:20] shirish: use the little star near the go button, click it twice === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:21] mattyv: wow, that's cool ;) [08:21] mattyv: and this resides locally or does it get put up on a repository somewhere, something like del.ici.ous for e.g. [08:21] yeh, not finished yet but it's a good advance [08:22] shirish: think it's in the local places database, no doubt an extension could give that extra functinality though [08:22] mattyv: true, but it definitely improves my productivity quite a lot, I do hope they open it up [08:22] mattyv: yup, just what I was thinking ;) [08:23] shirish: I wanted to run the live CD on my grandmother's computer. the specs are 500mhz and 320mb ram, is that "useable"? [08:23] Kousotu: nope, I wouldn't say so [08:24] Kousotu: what I would suggest is you take xubuntu and that too the alternate install CD & install it. [08:24] Kousotu: she would get better bang for her buck there ;) [08:24] shirish: I can't install it [08:24] shirish: the other recent addition I'm loving is the new address bar history behaviour, you noticed that? [08:24] and the reason I want to use the cd is to check the temps in her pc [08:25] I uspect there's something wrong with the fan [08:25] Kousotu: it's the same thing as a live CD, just has an ncurses interface [08:25] Kousotu: oh, hmm.... you could try it but it would take ages, there is whole lot of stuff the Live CD puts in memory, the least I would say is a p3 with 512 mb ram. [08:26] shirish: my grandmother WANTS windows Xp on her pc, I just want tocheck the thermal isues she's havingwith my Live cd [08:26] mattyv: what address bar history behavior? === jscinoz [n=jscinoz@202-161-27-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:27] Is there a fix to the bug which involves ALSA not working on intel cards in the .10 kernel? [08:27] Kousotu: I have tried to use Live CD's with lower specs, and its a pain, there are some switches which can do with lower specs machines, but the machine is really ancient, sorry === Ayabara [n=anr@62.70.2.252] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:27] shirish: start typing the title of a page you've visited into the address bar (rather than the url), it will find the page you're after. Much easier than remembering the url of some sites [08:28] mattyv: I didn't know that, that's cool, so its doing some remembering of the tag. [08:28] shirish: yeah, another benefit of places :) [08:29] mattyv: true, I esp. liked the fact that they are using now sqlite, makes for more efficient usage of lot of things, memory, space etc. [08:30] Indeed [08:31] How do i access the two new firefox features mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5? [08:33] jscinoz: One of them is through Tools > Addons > Get Ubuntu...or something like that [08:33] i see [08:34] thanks [08:34] whats the URL for the bug database thing again? [08:35] nevermind === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:40] Hobbsee: I have 4 usb ports, 3 of them are 1.1 & 1 of them is 2.0, is there anyway to figure out which one is which? some way of probing, maybe with a thumb-drive or something? [08:41] google [08:41] ie, no [08:41] well, there probably is, but iv'e not encountered it [08:45] Plug stuff into devices, and look in hal-device-manager. [08:45] I mean, plug a known USB2 device into each port, and look where it shows up in hal-device-manager. === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:49] ok guys, bbl === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.8.157] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:51] I was wondering somewhat the same thing as jscinoz... How do I install Flash the Gutsy way? [08:52] I clicked around for a while but couldn't figure it out. [08:52] not sure. [08:52] mine was installed back on tribe 4 [08:52] through apt === RAOF just aptitude installed flashplugin-nonfree, but that's not the new ubufox way. === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:58] add/remove program [08:59] in there...there is a drop down menu.....click that and choose All Available applications.....search for restricted [08:59] there is a package they put together with loads of plugins.... [09:00] but...if you only want the flashplayer then search for flashplayer === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:01] otherwise its the way RAOF said === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-203.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === avis [n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis] has joined #ubuntu+1 === michael_ [n=michael@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ahadiel [n=michael@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:03] scizzo-: Also, the new ubufox *should* be automatically installing flashplugin-nonfree when you need it. That's what they were talking about, I believe. [09:03] yes [09:04] i have had issues on a clean install of gutsy where firefox would not add bookmarks (freeze at add new bookmark window) as well as freeze when doing things like a direct download from sourceforge. will freeze upon spawning the dialog box window === pvandewyngaerde [n=pvandewy@40.127-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jgm [n=jgm@host-87-74-179-156.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-35-247.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rsthree [n=smrtbomb@CPE-76-178-64-208.natsow.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === atrus [n=atrus@d199-126-255-144.abhsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-5d9b02a2d9f2bdc9] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@host-091-097-093-064.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:03] why is the Tribe 5 CD so big? [10:05] !dvd [10:05] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [10:05] !mud [10:05] Sorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:06] hey Hobbsee === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 5 see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by gnomefreak at Tue Aug 28 17:59:53 2007 === #ubuntu+1 [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg [10:57] I am, of course, not disinterested in this. If KDE *had* chosen to use GStreamer, there'd be more eyes looking at GST code, and it'd get better faster :) [10:59] i have to admit i am a KDE fanboy and it dont know exactly what gstreamer is capable of, but to me phonon sounds logic [10:59] pvandewyngaerde: Basically, gstreamer is capable of everything :) [11:00] phonon will have sound categories, so you can mute flash audio with a phonon slider, while still listening to other categories of sound === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:00] like mail notifications [11:00] pvandewyngaerde: GStreamer *already* does that. === leperkhanz [n=rhy@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:01] Implemented in last year's SoC :) [11:01] Does everyone else get pretty much every 3d app crashing when compiz is running? [11:02] leperkhanz: Welcome to the joy of nvidia. [11:02] ah, that's an nvidia driver issue? [11:02] was waiting for that RAOF :P [11:02] Yes. GL + Composite crashes X. [11:02] Sad Face. === leperkhanz prays for open source drivers. === RAOF points to the (currently broken) [11:03] !nouveau [11:03] Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive [11:04] RAOF: if gsteamer allready does that, it will be very easy to implement for the gstreamer backend, maybe if it was named Kstreamer it could have had a chance :-) [11:04] Indeed. KDE seems to have a bit of a NIH complex. [11:05] Gnome may have also, but I don't know enough non-gnome technology to know about it :) === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:06] RAOF: lets say in 10 years, kde will stil be using phonon, i dont know about gstreamer [11:06] I don't see gstreamer going anywhere. [11:07] And in 10 years time phonon won't look much like it does today, anyway. [11:07] The name will be the same, but the code will be very different :) === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-303da122bc064055] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:09] RAOF: maybe the backend code, but not the API for all other programs to use [11:09] Maybe they won't *drop* any API, but there will certainly be API additions. [11:11] phonon targets only simple, " i want to play this sound/soundeffect " for advanced audio dont use phonon [11:11] choose the -backend-of-the-moment- for advanced audio [11:13] pvandewyngaerde: You know, the phonon sample code looks almost identical to a simple GStreamer application :) [11:14] Why doesn't someone write a new API that can use either GStreamer or Phonon underneath it then everyone (or perhaps no-one) will be happy? [11:15] jgm: Because then you have an infinite stack of turtles :) [11:16] Of course, but in a world of choice surely infinite choice is the ultimate goal :) [11:16] :P [11:16] Of course, in a world with infinite choice, you actually have *no* choice :) [11:16] thats why KDE chose phonon and not a fixed backend [11:17] in reply to jgm, that is === praecox [i=mati73@borowiak.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:17] hey guys [11:17] is there anyone can help me out with KMail problem after last upgrade? [11:17] pvandewyngaerde: But phonon *is* a fixed backend. It's just a fixed backend at a higher lever :) [11:18] I'm using Kubunty Gutsy. [11:18] layering is good for standardization in some way [11:18] http://pastebin.ca/675581 [11:19] pvandewyngaerde: But actually standardising is better :) [11:19] lol.. i just joined #windows and said "vista rules!" [11:19] here's my problem. after last daily upgrade KMail started saying: Unable to complete LIST operation. Invalid Response From Server. [11:20] and it's kinda odd, it has never happened before. [11:21] virus last ! === __tim [n=timm@dsl-217-155-195-89.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === richard [n=richard@host-137-163-19-198.edu.hel.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:51] Going Ape! [11:51] I just wanted to say, Gutsy has been pretty kick ass so far. === leperkhanz chuckles at Vista. Finally MS surrendered to Linux! 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