LaserJockok, I need some idea of people to interview for Behind MOTU12:36
LaserJockanybody got some suggestions/nominations? :-)12:36
geserLaserJock: ajmitch12:36
ajmitchI'm waaay behind12:37
norsettoLaserJock: geser :-P12:37
LaserJocknorsetto: I already interviewed geser12:37
gesernorsetto: http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/behind-motu-michael-bienia/12:38
LaserJockI've got StevenK on my list12:38
norsettoLaserJock: yeah, but he changed in the meantime12:38
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geserI hope I didn't changed that much in four months12:38
LaserJockany more?12:40
LaserJockhmm, maybe I should get everybody on MC12:42
ajmitchyou need to get sistpoty now then12:43
tonyyarussoKompoZer source package is now uploading.12:45
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LaserJockyou can run, but you can hide!!!12:47
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=== sistpoty runs and hides *g*
LaserJockNafallo: you should've just stood there in the corner12:47
LaserJocknow I know :-)12:47
NafalloLaserJock: I know. I wanted you to know :-)12:47
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blueyedAny advice on bug 135695? Do I have to file a different bug for removing the (obsolete) php4-interbase package? I'd say so, but am unsure.01:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135695 in php-interbase "FTBFS: depends on php4-dev, which has been removed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13569501:01
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LaserJockheah jono01:02
tonyyarussoPlease review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=14401:03
tonyyarussokompozer: I need to go eat dinner; can you take any questions?01:03
LaserJockjono: what are you doing up this late?01:03
jonoLaserJock: just checking mail :)01:03
jonoheading off in a sec :)01:03
jonohows things LaserJock?01:03
LaserJockcrazy busy01:04
kompozertonyyarusso: didn't you forget the *.tar.gz source archive?01:04
tonyyarusso...why is there no .diff?01:04
LaserJockI dropped by to bug MOTU for a bit01:04
kompozer...and the diff, yes01:04
tonyyarussoI uploaded with full source, what happened?01:04
LaserJockI'm sending off some Behind MOTU interviews right now01:04
tonyyarussodpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload <-- right there01:04
tonyyarussooh hell01:05
tonyyarussoForgot the -f01:05
tonyyarussokompozer: Re-running it with the force.01:05
tonyyarussoIt should be there in a bit01:05
ajmitchhey mr jono01:05
ajmitchLaserJock: interview jono?01:06
jonohey ajmitch01:06
kompozertonyyarusso: do you upload a diff or the full source tarball I made?01:06
LaserJockI think he needs to become a MOTU Hopeful first ;-)01:06
jonoI know what a pbuilder is now, does that count?01:06
LaserJockwe don't interview just anybody around here ;-)01:06
jonoI have actually been reading the packaging guide01:06
LaserJockwell, that's definitely getting there01:07
jonoI would like to learn to package at some point, its just finding the time01:07
norsettolaserjock: we are not hopefuls any more, we lost what hope we had .....01:07
LaserJockjono: is jokosher in Main yet?01:07
jonoLaserJock: nope, Jokosher is still very buggy01:07
LaserJocknorsetto: there's always hope :-)01:07
LaserJockjono: well geeze, fix it up man01:07
LaserJockit's not like you've got other things to do ;p01:07
jonoright, drums and then bed for me01:08
jononight all!01:08
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bddebianDamn, i have to get home.  If someone has time, could they look over sdlmame?  I'd love to see that one get in if possible..01:11
bddebianLater folks01:11
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norsettog'night all01:16
sistpotyok, gotta go to bed now... gn8 everyone01:16
LaserJockalrighty then, 5 interviews sent out01:21
ajmitchuh oh01:23
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LaserJockajmitch: don't worry, I didn't send you one yet01:26
ajmitchgood ;)01:26
ajmitchsince you know I've got nothing to say01:26
LaserJockI just need to get other things done today01:27
LaserJockyou and crimsun are the hard ones to get01:27
ajmitchhow so?01:27
LaserJockyou don't blog, nough said01:27
ajmitchquite true01:28
LaserJockpeople who don't blog are too cool for blog interviews ;-)01:28
ajmitchwhich means I'm not important, end of story :)01:28
LaserJockno, it means you're uber important01:28
LaserJocklike transcendent or something01:28
alvincit means that paparazzi are probably waiting in the bushes to waylay you01:28
ajmitchyou've got a funny idea of 'important' then01:29
LaserJockok, is anybody reviewing kompozer?01:29
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ajmitchI hate uploading stuff to debian when source+binary is 40+MB01:30
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LaserJockdo you *have* to upload binaries  in Debian?01:31
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LaserJockthat's so funky to me01:31
ajmitchwhich is a bit annoying in this case, since it's php01:31
LaserJockI guess that makes sure that you build it01:31
ajmitchand building this isn't much of a challenge01:31
ajmitchuploading is01:32
LaserJockis the .deb you upload actually put it the archive? or does it get rebuilt?01:32
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kompozerabout KompoZer, is everything ready for the review now? I still can't see my source tarball in REVU01:32
tonyyarussouhhh, why is REVU taking so long to respond?01:33
LaserJockit looks like something might be wrong01:33
LaserJockit's timing out for me01:33
tonyyarussokompozer: The dput finished, I'm checking for confirmation.01:33
ajmitchyes, the .deb I upload is put into the archive01:33
LaserJockhmm, maybe sparky is down01:33
ajmitchright, I can't ssh to sparky01:33
LaserJockhmm, maybe it's time to declare NPFU :/01:34
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Is there somewhere else I can put kompozer for you?01:34
ajmitchlet me upload a flood of crack now01:34
tonyyarussoActually, wait - I have space01:34
kompozerI can also put stuff on my sourceforge project page01:36
LaserJockman, I would soooo love to put a gnuplot+readline package in my PPA :/01:37
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Our package uses a +dfsg tarball - would that be confusing dpkg-buildpackage?01:38
LaserJockI wouldn't think so01:38
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=== tonyyarusso is trying to diagnose that lack of a .diff.gz
LaserJockwhat does it say?01:39
tonyyarussoLaserJock: nothing - there just isn't a .diff.gz in the end.01:40
LaserJockusually debuild/dpkg-buildpackage gives you some clue01:40
tonyyarussoand it makes a kompozer_0.7.10-0ubuntu1.tar.gz01:40
LaserJockwell the version needs to probably have +dfsg too01:41
tonyyarussoooooooh, in control?01:41
LaserJockin changelog01:41
kompozertonyyarusso: why can't we just rename the source tarball, like we said yesterday?01:41
tonyyarussokompozer: I did - it apparently gets confused01:42
LaserJockit needs to know where to find the .orig.tar.gz01:42
Nafallohmm. where did I agree to what? :-)01:42
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tonyyarussoOkay, keep an eye on REVU in case it wakes up, otherwise http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/01:43
tonyyarussouploads in progress01:43
LaserJockI've updated my pbuilder01:44
tonyyarussoA fine time for REVU to die, eh?01:45
LaserJockit's a sign01:48
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LaserJockwell, that would01:49
LaserJockbut I assume that he's wanting to keep the dfsg01:49
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kompozerthere's no use in keeping the dfsg, it's just a way for me to say the latest source tarball doesn't include executables nor trademarked icons any more. I'm not Mozilla.com, now that I know that my source tree contained non-free files, I sure won't let them in01:51
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kompozerit's the way I've stored this file on SF.net, I'm not sure it makes any sense to keep the 'dfsg' suffix in the archive01:52
tonyyarussokompozer: Don't you still have to keep them around for the Windows and Mac OS ?01:52
kompozertonyyarusso: no01:52
LaserJockwell, it's more correct to use the upstream versioning if you can01:52
LaserJockit's not a big deal01:52
LaserJockyou just gotta have the tarball match debian/changelog01:53
LaserJockhow big is the tarball?01:53
LaserJockthat's kinda hefty01:54
tonyyarussoa little01:54
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tonyyarussokompozer: So your plan is to have the regular -src NOT have dsfg in it?01:55
kompozerLaserJock: actually, yesterday StevenK told me a repack would be better - or at least, that's what I've understood. Hence this new tarball01:56
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LaserJockkompozer: yes, that is much nicer for us01:56
kompozerLaserJock: ...01:56
StevenKOh, gah.01:57
kompozertonyyarusso: I don't need these non-free files for KompoZer, so I won't keep them in future versions that's for sure01:57
kompozerhi StevenK01:57
StevenK19 of the uploads I did yesterday contain a bogus file in debian/01:57
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LaserJockStevenK: what file?01:57
LaserJockthat stinks01:57
StevenKI have a script that can add changelog entries, and find can remove them all.01:58
StevenKYeah, screw it.01:58
ajmitchStevenK: not too much of a problem, then01:58
ajmitchas long as they're dropped on the next upload & don't confuse everyone01:58
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minghuaStevenK: Are they in binary packages as well?01:59
StevenKajmitch: My thought is I can run find and my script over the lot of them and fix them all in about 2 minutes.01:59
StevenKminghua: I seriously doubt it.01:59
minghuaStevenK: Then if it was me, I won't bother re-uploading.02:00
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ajmitchStevenK: yes, that part is easy02:00
LaserJockmy gosh cjwatson must love bash02:00
tonyyarussoStrange scripts somewhere?02:01
LaserJockwell, I was trying to figure out how the download pages for cdimage.ubuntu.com ,etc. are done02:01
kompozertonyyarusso: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ is now empty, everything's normal?02:02
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tonyyarussokompozer: yeah - a sec02:02
LaserJockso i finally found a make-web-indices script that is 546 lines long02:02
LaserJockit's quite a lot of shell script02:03
LaserJocknow I gotta figure out how to hack it02:03
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LaserJockhah, I love this comment: # Perverse, but works.02:08
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LaserJockjsgotangco: happy birthday!02:08
LaserJockmaybe a little belated02:09
nixternalLaserJock: select all -> delete!02:10
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LaserJocktonyyarusso: alright, is it ready to review?02:14
tonyyarussoLaserJock: 16 seconds02:14
tonyyarussoLaserJock: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/02:14
LaserJockare we there yet?02:14
LaserJockis anybody in charge of sending a NPFU announcement?02:16
mok0What time is it?02:16
LaserJockThu Aug 30 00:17:02 GMT 200702:17
mok0... so there is still 17 hours02:17
LaserJockwell I guess it was supposed to be a 00:00 UTC02:18
LaserJockso 17 minutes ago02:18
tonyyarussoIs there a second person reviewing that?02:18
tonyyarussoStevenK: ?02:18
mok0I wanted to see how busy you gou02:18
mok0guys have been but REVU is dead..02:19
StevenKtonyyarusso: Hum?02:19
tonyyarussoStevenK: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/, in leiu of REVU02:19
LaserJockwow, linda doesn't like it02:23
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LaserJockStevenK: I'm running linda on this kompozer source package and it's got my CPU pegged with a "file" process02:24
StevenKSounds about right.02:24
tonyyarussoLaserJock: which file are you running it on?02:24
LaserJockthe .dsc02:25
wreckednewbie question... whats the correct way to request a merge of an updated debian stable package?02:25
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StevenKLinda (and Lintian, for that matter), run 'file' over every file in the unpacked source package.02:25
wreckedmake that unstable rather.02:25
LaserJockStevenK: lintian breezed over it though02:25
LaserJockwrecked: is it a new upstream version?02:26
jsgotangcoLaserJock: hey thanks! sorry was afk for a while having breakfast :)02:27
tonyyarussoLaserJock: yeah, linda's really slow on my system too02:27
wreckedLaserJock: yes, the debian unstable version of kvm was updated to 36. gutsy has 28.02:27
StevenKtonyyarusso: Does it actually build?02:27
tonyyarussoLaserJock: ok, my linda finished.  Took a long time, but zero output.02:27
tonyyarussoStevenK: yes02:27
LaserJockwrecked: you'll want to file an Upstream Version Freeze exception bug02:28
LaserJockwrecked: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a7304602:28
StevenKtonyyarusso: Those ifneq lines under build shouldn't be tabbed in.02:28
wreckedLaserJock: thanks, I'll do that.02:29
LaserJockshesh, linda's still going02:29
tonyyarussouh oh02:29
tonyyarussokompozer: I thought you took my version on that?02:29
kompozertonyyarusso: sorry, my fault. I probably forgot to switch off my auto-indent02:30
kompozertonyyarusso: I've removed some commented lines as StevenK requested. -_-'02:30
RAOFwrecked: It might be a good idea to check that kvm-36 actually works with our kvm kernel module before doing anything else :)02:31
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tonyyarussoWill I need to re-upload everything after that change, or only one small file?02:31
StevenKtonyyarusso: rsync is your friend.02:31
tonyyarussothe .orig won't need to go, duh02:31
tonyyarussoStevenK: Yeah, or give me svn access to that dir ;)02:32
StevenKtonyyarusso: Only the .dsc, .diff.gz and .changes02:32
StevenKOh, before you upload.02:32
LaserJockwell, I gotta go home02:32
StevenKInitial release Closes: #10472802:32
StevenKShould be:02:32
StevenKInitial release. (LP: #104728)02:33
tonyyarussoAh - thought LP was treated as default02:33
LaserJockno, because then Debian would be closing all our bugs02:33
tonyyarussogood point02:34
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wreckedRAOF: will do. thanks for direction btw. I'm sitting here at the kvm developer forum and currently inspired. :)02:36
RAOFwrecked: OOoh, cool. :)02:37
tonyyarussoLaserJock, RAOF, StevenK: Files on http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ updated.02:38
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StevenKtonyyarusso: +102:41
tonyyarussoStevenK: yay!  Thanks.02:41
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StevenKLike a blink tag?02:42
RAOFStevenK: Exactly.02:42
LaserJockhmm, the copyright statement is interesting02:43
tonyyarussovery much so02:44
LaserJockargg, that .desktop isn't supposed to have hard-coded Icon paths02:45
tonyyarussoI tried to take the best portions each from the old nvu, iceape, firefox, etc., plus recommendations from folks here and in #ubuntu-mozillateam02:45
LaserJocknor is it supposed to have Application in the Categories02:45
tonyyarussoWhat should it be?02:45
tonyyarussoJust kompozer.png for the icon path, and only Network; ?02:46
LaserJockjust kompozer  for icon and yeah02:46
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Does the icon handler thingy just magically look for png and other extensions and figure it out?02:47
kompozerLaserJock: and Categories=Network; is enough?02:47
LaserJockkompozer: let me look to make sure02:48
LaserJockApplication was a gnome bug02:48
LaserJockit wasn't actually in the freedesktop.org spec02:48
LaserJockbut the gnome bug is fixed now02:48
LaserJockkompozer: you could to Network;WebDevelopment if you wanted to be more precise but just Network works too02:50
tonyyarussokompozer: I like that - you?02:50
kompozertonyyarusso: +102:50
kompozerLaserJock: no trailing semi-colon?02:50
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Should there still be a trailing semicolon after WebDev02:51
LaserJockI don't think it hurts02:51
LaserJockyou can run desktop-file-validate on it to make sure02:51
kompozerblank output02:52
kompozerthe trailing semi-colon is required (according to desktop-file-validate)02:52
LaserJockk, I thought so02:53
LaserJockStevenK: so is that an ack from you for kompozer?02:54
imbrandonhardon, err heron02:54
imbrandonwow this is gonna suck02:54
kompozerimbradon: <div lang="fr"> heron, heron, petit patapon </div>02:54
StevenKLaserJock: Right.02:55
imbrandona lang="CC" would be nice02:55
tonyyarussochanges will be up shortly02:56
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kompozerimbrandon: that's a french baby song02:56
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: fixed files now up02:57
mok0g'night ppl...02:58
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imbrandonhrm i want to make a homebrew 8086/8088 or something03:00
imbrandonany pointers03:01
tonyyarussoLaserJock: How are we looking now?03:06
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tonyyarussohey bddebian03:20
ajmitchgood day03:20
bddebianHi tonyyarusso, ajmitch03:20
tonyyarussobddebian: LJ was reviewing http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/, and I think basically done, and StK already gave it a +1 - would you be willing to glance until I figure out where LaJk went?03:21
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bddebianSure, give me a minute03:22
bddebianShit, is revu down?03:24
tonyyarussogrr indeedy03:25
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bddebianHeya Hobbsee03:26
LaserJocktonyyarusso: dude it's still buiding03:26
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: Ah!  nvm me then :)03:26
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bddebianheh, I wish03:27
Hobbseeheya bddebian03:28
ajmitchtonyyarusso: you're funny03:28
Hobbseetonyyarusso: i wish03:31
Hobbseetonyyarusso: although it does help to be able to ssh to fast machines.03:31
tonyyarussoHobbsee: yeah03:31
ajmitchHobbsee: you mean your laptop still isn't fast enough?03:31
Hobbseeajmitch: other machines are faster.  *shrugs*03:32
Hobbseeajmitch: it's more the fact that it doesnt have a local mirror.03:32
Hobbseeajmitch: so i dont have to wait ages for things to download03:32
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bddebianWell wtf..03:33
Hobbseeajmitch: aurora's not too bad, either.03:34
ajmitchfaster connectivity than what I have03:34
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imbrandongah i need to make some more cash this month to get my home "network+mirror" back running03:39
imbrandonand get of my lazy bum and redo my website03:39
ajmitchfind a real job? :)03:40
Hobbseeheh :)03:41
Hobbseeimbrandon: were you coming to boston, btw?03:41
imbrandonHobbsee: most likely03:41
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imbrandontrying to get my wife into FL/OSS too03:42
ajmitchgood luck with that03:43
imbrandonshe actualy is kinda, in that she dosent use anything else but i mean contributing too03:43
Hobbseebah.  someone has good planning03:43
Hobbseethe linux thingy on today is when half of the second year comp students have their mandatory tutes.03:44
Hobbseewhen that's a group that htey're targetting03:44
LaserJocktonyyarusso: argg, I don't think I have time to finish kompozer , it looks good to me03:44
HobbseeLaserJock: you suck.03:45
HobbseeLaserJock: that is all.03:45
Hobbseeajmitch: you suck more.03:45
LaserJockI'll be back03:45
tonyyarussoWell, that's what, a + 1/2 ?03:46
imbrandonhrm anyone ever made a homebrew computer ?03:46
imbrandonseems like there is sparce info on it03:46
imbrandononly from the early 80's03:47
StevenKWhat do you mean homebrew?03:47
imbrandonlike 8088 / z80 / 8086 breadboard comp03:47
StevenKAt this point, people seem more concerned with stuffing Pentium III's into z80 boxes03:48
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imbrandonheh , i stuffed a c7 into a c64 box :)03:48
StevenKc7's don't count. :-P03:48
imbrandonalthough a 6502 from a c64 or a apple 1 would be a cool homebrew too03:48
tonyyarussobddebian: how's your build coming?03:48
guest22Hi. Can someone explain why revu.tauware.de is down again?03:49
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tonyyarussoguest22: I don't think anyone knows yet.03:49
Hobbseetonyyarusso: siretart might be doing the machine change over today03:49
imbrandon-sx ?03:49
tonyyarussoHobbsee: ooh, that would make sense03:50
tonyyarussoimbrandon: portable03:50
imbrandonhow much ?03:50
StevenK"Portable" you say03:50
tonyyarussoimbrandon: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/406011461.html03:50
imbrandonc64 were pretty protable anyhow03:50
StevenKWhat does protable mean?03:51
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tonyyarussoAlthought the link on the posting seems down :(03:51
tonyyarussoimbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64 for a pic03:51
imbrandonahh craigs list , i love craigs list03:51
imbrandontonyyarusso: yea i rember it now03:52
tonyyarussoThe keyboard snaps on as a cover over the monitor on the front of the computer, and the prop leg serves as a carrying handle.03:52
bddebiantonyyarusso: I still can't get on REVU03:52
imbrandonif not more03:52
StevenKThat's not so much portable.03:52
imbrandontonyyarusso: i wouldent mind buying it but thats too much of a premium for me, if it dosent sell hit me up03:52
tonyyarussobddebian: Nor can anyone else.  LaserJock was just working from http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ manually.03:52
tonyyarussoimbrandon: We haven't had a response yet, so you could just make an offer (use the cl link - it's my dad)03:53
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imbrandoni will this evening, i'm lazy and dont wanna open gmail atm heheh03:53
imbrandonbut i got it bookmarked03:54
tonyyarussolol, that is lazy03:54
imbrandonStevenK: and btw the c7 was 1.5GHZ ;)03:54
StevenKimbrandon: You want to use the SX as a desktop? :-P03:54
imbrandonhahaha well i do have a c64 2400 baud modem03:54
imbrandoni used to get on bbs's with03:54
=== tonyyarusso wonders how much work it would take to get Linux running on it
imbrandontonyyarusso: one floppy03:55
imbrandonthere is a c64 linux distro03:55
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Someone's done that port?03:55
imbrandonLNG is an operationg system primarly for the good old Commodore64 home-computer. There also is a native version for the successor Commodore128. Ports to other 6502/6510 driven 8Bit Computers are possible but not yet started. LUnix started in 1993 and reached the internet in 1994. In 1997 LUnix0.1  was rewritten from scratch, the result is LNG.03:56
bddebianSorry I'm only half pay attention.  I'll check it out in a bit03:57
imbrandonapple 1's were 6502 proc along with others of the time03:57
ajmitchHobbsee: cruelty03:57
Hobbseeajmitch: warranted, though.03:58
tonyyarussobddebian: a short bit would be best, since we want to close up for NPFU, and this is the last one.03:58
ajmitchHobbsee: not at all03:58
Hobbseeajmitch: but i cant do interviews :P03:58
ajmitchyes you can03:58
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Hobbseeajmitch: nope04:00
Hobbseewhere would the fun in that be?04:00
ajmitchHobbsee: did you get an email from laserjock asking you to? :)04:00
Hobbseeajmitch: yes04:00
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ajmitchit's perfectly alright, I don't mind you doing the interview04:02
bddebiantonyyarusso: Building now your highness04:09
tonyyarussobddebian: lol, awesome04:10
StevenKI thought tonyyarusso was short? :-P04:10
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bddebianSo who can look .. oh never mind shit..04:11
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Hobbseebddebian: you can.04:18
bddebianHobbsee: I already did, I looked at sdlmame and it's close.  I'm temnpted to just fix it up and upload but I wanted another set of eyes for the licensing/copyright stuff04:21
sn9imbrandon: http://www.ivankuten.com/system-on-chip-soc/rdc-r8610/04:23
sn9and, if you think lng is kewl, http://www.sics.se/contiki/04:24
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LaserJocktonyyarusso: kompozer get uploaded?04:48
ajmitchwelcome back LaserJock04:48
tonyyarussoLaserJock: not yet.  bddebian was also looking at it.  Still don't have two full acks.04:49
bddebianStill building04:49
=== Hobbsee gives a quarter ack, for good measure
=== Hobbsee --> class.
tonyyarussoOne more quarter ack and that should do it :P04:50
=== ajmitch should give a 1/8th ack
=== bddebian gives 1/64th
RAOFbddebian: No, the next one is 1/16th.04:51
RAOFbddebian: Then 1/32nd04:51
bddebianI was jumping ahead, I'm senile ya know04:52
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imbrandonsn9: cool, thanks for the links will check them out05:04
=== ajmitch sighs
Toadstoolheya everybody05:06
imbrandonhello ajmitch tonyyarusso05:07
imbrandonerr Toadstool05:07
bddebianwhoa it finished05:07
ajmitchimbrandon: why are you saying hello to me again?05:07
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imbrandonerrm cuz ummm yea05:07
Toadstoolhi imbrandon !05:07
bddebiantonyyarusso: tsk, tsk, missing man page :-)05:08
=== ajmitch was just a little surprised to check his mail & see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2007-August/000677.html
tonyyarussobddebian: only on kompozer-config, since we're not completely sure of the scope of that yet.  It's being looked into for a future release though.  The regular kompozer binary however does have one now (recent change).05:09
kompozerbddebian: the man page isn't in the binary tarball but it's in the debian dir05:10
LaserJockajmitch: typical :/05:10
ajmitchLaserJock: yeah, this is the first I've heard of this05:10
LaserJockI'm pretty sure SoC was pretty much useless this year05:11
ajmitchbasically "let's replace the UI that's already there with something else because we don't like the current one"05:11
LaserJockI'd be somewhat surprised if Google gives us much next time05:11
imbrandonwho was the mentor ?05:11
ajmitchimbrandon: someone I've never heard of05:11
ajmitchMentored by Rodrigo Pereira Braga (pereira@gmail.com)05:12
LaserJockI have no idea, I was a mentor and I didn't think the project was accepted05:12
imbrandoni thought ubuntu mentors were (core-)dev05:12
ajmitchimbrandon: no, any random could be a mentor this year, from the look of things05:12
LaserJockany random person from any project, kinda05:14
LaserJockthere were a few mentors who weren't even a part of Ubuntu05:14
bddebianHmm, I don't think the debian/copyright file is quite big enough ;-P05:14
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StevenKbddebian: Agreed, I think tonyyarusso ran out of puff half way through. :-P05:14
tonyyarussoActually kompozer wrote the man page.  I had originally planned to, but he got to it before I had a chance.05:15
LaserJockturns out the project I mentored had pretty much already been done05:15
LaserJockbddebian uploaded a package for it today05:15
ajmitchLaserJock: wonderful05:16
LaserJockI found at least 4 similar projects05:16
bddebianWell it looks fine for my dumb arse.. :-)  Who's uploading?05:16
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ajmitchthe thing that irritates me about this example is that SoC is meant to be getting students involved in the free software community05:16
ajmitchnot just doing some coding05:16
StevenKThe whole point is to get involved, not just cut code.05:16
LaserJockwell, it's whatever the organization makes it05:17
LaserJockUbuntu really fell flat05:17
LaserJocklike really really really badly05:17
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LaserJocksome of the other organizations really had some great success05:18
bddebianStevenK: You gonna upload this sucka?05:18
LaserJockwith some of the students becoming developers, etc.05:18
ajmitchubuntu has had success in the past05:18
ajmitchStevenK: since you're here, authtool is a native package, I'm sure you won't mind me blindly pushing in updates for awhile, right? :)05:19
LaserJockconsidering that the last message to ubuntu-soc list was June22nd and I didn't hear from any other mentors or admins for the *entire* summer ...05:20
StevenKajmitch: Bug fixes only?05:20
ajmitchof course not05:20
StevenKThen you get to ask for UVFe's05:21
ajmitchI'll let you read through the diff then05:21
imbrandonyay firefox just ate all my memory05:21
ajmitchit's been known to do that05:22
imbrandonconsidering i have 4GB and only it and irssi/gnome term open05:22
tonyyarussobddebian: So that's a +1 from you?05:22
imbrandonthats quite a feat05:22
ajmitchStevenK: I do have a few bugfixes for it, though05:22
ajmitchimbrandon: that's impressive, I don't usually fill 4GB that fast05:22
bddebiantonyyarusso: Yep05:22
bddebianFor whatever that's worth these days :-)05:22
tonyyarussobddebian: Awesome.05:22
ajmitchexcept one day when I installed gnash & was hitting the power button a few minutes later05:22
imbrandonwell its been 10 or so days since a reboot and this desktop is gutsy05:23
=== tonyyarusso gives big cute cow eyes to everyone with uploading power
Toadstoolyay my brand new laptop randomly decides not to boot tribe 5 and can't play any sound, awesome05:23
=== imbrandon considers just using a c64 and no internet from here on out
bddebianw00t, I'm with ya imbrandon :)05:24
imbrandoni'll type my recipies on it and be happy05:24
bddebianStevenK: Did you ack kompozer?05:24
StevenKtonyyarusso: I'm sorry, all I can think of is Puss in Boots as Donkey trying that...05:25
StevenK(In Shrek 3)05:25
tonyyarussoStevenK: ahahaha05:25
tonyyarussoYeah, that's basically the effect I'm going for.05:25
imbrandonwow, spam is getting dumber, .....05:25
imbrandonUS $ 69.95 Viagra 100mg x 10 pills buy now05:26
=== bddebian talks to himself some more
tonyyarussoI wish there was a tool that would mark as spam and delete all e-mail that lacked proper punctuation, capitalization, and grammar.05:27
imbrandoni wouldent get any ( nor be able to send any )05:27
bddebiantonyyarusso: That would include just about every e-mail from my bosses :-)05:27
tonyyarussobddebian: And wouldn't that be so much nicer?  ;)05:27
StevenKbddebian: Yes, I did ack it.05:28
imbrandonGSI used email liek it was an IM client , and the bad thing was we had a company jabber server /me sighs at mgmt05:28
tonyyarusso"Subject: mail processing autoreply; Body: I'm sorry, you have to not be an idiot to send mail to this address.  Please go back to elementary school and try again.  If you are an active ESL student, you may apply for an exemption here <url>."05:28
StevenKbddebian: I dun wanna push a 40Mb tarball uphill in the snow to upload.u.c05:29
kompozerthat would make a neat Thunderbird extension05:29
bddebianOK, will do05:29
StevenKtonyyarusso: Bwaha05:29
bddebianLaserJock: Did you ever get a chance to look it over?05:29
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=== StevenK beats bddebian to death with a PgUp keycap
LaserJockbddebian: yeah, I had a look05:31
=== bddebian dies so can't upload kompozer
LaserJockI was fine with what I saw05:31
ajmitchStevenK: if he's too lazy to look, we can be too lazy to answer05:31
imbrandoni just wish i could > /dev/null any email that wasent in english ( or latin char set )05:31
tonyyarussoimbrandon: I think Thunderbird can already do that, actually.  Maybe.05:32
imbrandonbut gmail wont filter on that it seems05:32
imbrandongmail > thunderchicken05:32
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tonyyarussoeh, I don't have time for web interfaces for all of my e-mail addresses05:33
imbrandonall my email addresses are on one interface05:33
imbrandonone login05:33
imbrandonaccessable from anywhere05:33
imbrandoneven my phone ;)05:33
LaserJockI moved to gmail too05:33
imbrandonYou are currently using 1071 MB (37%) of your 2894 MB.05:33
imbrandoni need to clean some cruft out05:34
ajmitchis that all?05:34
ajmitch-rw------- 1 ajmitch ajmitch 2.6G 2007-08-30 15:27 /home/ajmitch/Mail/launchpad05:34
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ajmitchubuntu-bugs ftw05:34
LaserJockYou are currently using 49 MB (1%) of your 2894 MB.05:35
imbrandonthats since jan1, i pop download and tar.gz ---> dvd-r every january05:35
imbrandonajmitch: ^^05:35
ajmitchI've been meaning to split the bugs folder & convert to maildir05:35
ajmitchmutt ends up having a few locking problems otherwise05:35
imbrandoni've been meaning to setup mutt to send through gmail and such but been lazy05:36
LaserJockI just don't get email I don't read05:36
imbrandonthat way my sent messages localy are in my sent mail folder on the webui too05:36
moquistis REVU down [again] ? :(05:37
imbrandoni wonder how slimmed down a system i can make05:37
tonyyarussomoquist: yes05:37
bddebianmoquist: Yes :-(05:37
imbrandonand still have it useable05:38
kkubasikdoes revu need help with hosting?05:38
imbrandonno its being moved to the canonical DC thus the downtime05:38
moquistOK. I'll just post my moodle source package on my own site and point the edubuntu team to it.05:38
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tonyyarussobtw, is the REVU software a) open-source, b) available - and where?05:39
moquistimbrandon: Oh, that's good, then. Unfortunate timing for me.05:39
LaserJocktonyyarusso: it's on launchpad of course05:39
imbrandontonyyarusso: yes in bzr on launchpad iirc05:39
=== moquist resists the urge to say that it has legacy requirements for Windows NT...
tonyyarussoah, good05:39
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ajmitchhello moquist05:45
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ajmitchimbrandon: where did you hear that it was being moved to the canonical DC now?05:46
tonyyarussobddebian: so were you doing the oh-so-much-fun-40mb-upload then?05:47
bddebiantonyyarusso: Nope, I'm dead ;-P05:47
bddebianYes, it's on it's way05:47
tonyyarussobddebian: lol, that's too bad.05:47
LaserJockI assumed it was going to the DC because that's where the other servers are going05:47
tonyyarussobddebian: Is the gutsy-changes ML the first place I'll see it, or is there something else?05:47
ajmitchLaserJock: but sistpoty & siretart have it on sparky at the moment05:47
ajmitchand have a replacement sparc to put it on at uni05:48
LaserJocksure, I thought that was until it went to the DC05:48
ajmitchI don't know if that's temporary or not05:48
ajmitchbut there's been no notice of it suddenly disappearing to the DC05:48
bddebiantonyyarusso: NEW packages won't hit gutsy-changes until they are accepted I don't think05:49
tonyyarussobddebian: and what does that process involve?05:49
ajmitchgetting past the archive admins05:49
bddebianAn archive admins approval05:49
tonyyarussoAh.  Will they show on the ubuntu-archive ML instead then?05:49
tonyyarussoSo more suspense eh?  :P05:50
ajmitchwell, they may do if there's some special soyuz action for mailing them when a new package hits the queue05:50
ajmitchof course05:50
bddebianYeah it will sit in the NEW queue for 3 or 4 months :)05:50
ajmitch just be extra nice for a few days05:50
LaserJocktonyyarusso: it'll show up in the queue on LP05:51
tonyyarussoLaserJock: what's the URL for that to watch the status?05:52
ajmitchuh oh05:52
tonyyarussohey nixternal05:52
ajmitchrun away!05:52
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!05:52
nixternaland I made it official, I bought Vista Business today!!05:52
LaserJocktonyyarusso: launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue05:52
=== tonyyarusso can't decide whether to laugh or throw up at nixternal
nixternalis there even a such thing as vista business?05:52
ajmitchnixternal: congrats!05:53
nixternalnope, it is home and premium isn't it05:53
tonyyarussoAnd Ultimate05:53
bddebianhaha, that's funny05:53
nixternaloh well, I just got caught lying05:53
superm1nixternal, if you really needed a copy, i probably get one through school05:53
superm1that i would have given you05:53
ajmitchI've got a copy of vista here05:53
nixternalsuperm1: $25 through CoD right now:005:53
nixternalactually, it is Vista Business05:53
superm1$0 thru us05:53
tonyyarussoUltimate, Home Premium, Home Basic, Business, and Enterprise05:53
tonyyarussoSo yes, there is05:53
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nixternalI figured I get it for $25, someone will pay $100+ for it05:54
superm1we have a similar program through MSDNAA, but ours we download the CDs05:54
superm1and don't pay05:54
tonyyarussoOT: does ubuntu sparc have all packages, or only server ones?05:54
nixternalI sold some poor sap my XP CDs from school at $50/ea. and they were free05:54
nixternalI have Office 2007 Super Duper edition, legit, in a box, $250 each :)05:55
bddebiantonyyarusso: It is in NEW05:55
tonyyarussobddebian: yay, ty05:55
nixternalI get $300 off of any Mac as well05:55
nixternalalthough that doesn't save much :)05:55
ajmitchtonyyarusso: sparc has all05:55
tonyyarussoajmitch: fun stuff05:55
ajmitchonly the server ones are supported, but universe & all of main should get built05:56
nixternalhrmm, so there are KDE sparq packages?05:56
=== ajmitch isn't entirely sure how they do the support stuff for !server main
ajmitchnixternal: probably05:56
=== bddebian thinks LaserJock should send him a Sparc
nixternalI did not know that..I thought it was server stuff only...cool05:56
nixternalto bad my e3500 doesn't have a video card05:57
ajmitchBuilds of kdebase - 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1605:57
ajmitch* gutsy sparc Successfully built05:57
=== nixternal checks craigslist for a sparc :)
LaserJockbddebian: why?05:58
ajmitchwhat's wrong with good old x86?05:58
LaserJockI've just got an Ultra 1005:58
LaserJockI don't think it's probably anything very fast05:58
bddebianLaserJock: Because you just got a bunch of junk didn't ya? :_)05:58
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imbrandonme 305:59
LaserJockI got a new one05:59
LaserJockit's only got a 800x480 screen though\05:59
imbrandoni got a new 30 pin sim keychain05:59
LaserJockand a 2GB hard drive05:59
=== ajmitch has a new linux box as well, with only a 640x480 screen
LaserJockit's an intel classmatePC06:00
ajmitchah nice06:00
imbrandonLaserJock: nice06:00
=== imbrandon wants on
ajmitchthis is a neo197306:00
LaserJockit's got a celeron M 900MHz processor06:00
imbrandonactualy i just need to invest in a an ultra portable laptop06:00
LaserJockthis CMPC is  very portable :-)06:01
nixternaldamn, the classmate is almost equal to my lappy06:01
nixternalhow embarrassing06:01
ajmitchLaserJock: get one for me please06:01
ajmitchnixternal: and you run vista on that?06:01
nixternalHost '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-10-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 5d+14:10; Users: 1; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 605/941 Mio]  [Swap: 863/863 Mio]  [/: 12364/14084 Mio]  [/boot: 76/122 Mio]  [/home: 37847/41301 Mio] ; Vpenis: 53.4 cm;06:01
nixternalhrmm, that is my server06:01
LaserJockI'm running XP on the classmate06:01
ajmitchLaserJock: that's interesting06:01
LaserJockit really sucks06:01
ajmitchhow well does ubuntu run on it?06:01
LaserJockthere's only 256MB of ram06:02
LaserJockno pagefile06:02
LaserJockand no L2 cache06:02
ajmitchgiven that ubuntu really isn't that fast or slim06:02
LaserJockoh, Ubuntu runs nice06:02
ajmitchregular ubuntu?06:02
LaserJocksome things I think are slow06:02
jsgotangcothat's expected06:02
ajmitchnot using the mobile edition?06:02
jsgotangcoeven if its flash06:02
LaserJockheck no06:02
jsgotangcoit can run full ubuntu06:02
jsgotangcoit can even do compositing06:03
LaserJockwe're running Edubuntu on it of course06:03
ajmitchnixternal: sorry, looks more like XP than vista :)06:03
LaserJockyeah, we had it doing wobbly windows at UDS Sevilla06:03
ajmitchjsgotangco: that's pretty good06:03
ajmitchLaserJock: I remember that06:03
nixternalXP with the Oxygen theme?06:03
nixternalinteresting :)06:03
ajmitchLaserJock: I wouldn't go running evolution on it though :)06:03
bddebianI have 10 machines running in my house but no Sparc or PPCs anymore :'-(06:03
ajmitchbddebian: and you complain about needing more?06:04
nixternalI just through a PPC out06:04
bddebianajmitch: Of course06:04
LaserJockI've never had nor run a PPC06:04
imbrandoni sold mine a while back06:04
ajmitchbddebian: one for the wife & one for each of the kids as well?06:04
tonyyarussoWe had a Mac way back in the day (as in, pre-Windows being popular, and slightly thereafter)06:04
LaserJockbrb guys, I'm switching to my real lappy06:04
tonyyarussonot anymore though06:04
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jsgotangcopoor PPC06:05
bddebianI have an OldWorld PowerBook laying around but those are no fun06:05
=== ajmitch isn't even using one of his computers
imbrandonby the end of the summer i probably will have 15 computers/linux appliances running in my home06:05
tonyyarussonice - where do you get them all?06:05
=== ajmitch is using a box at work
ajmitchthough this isn't even running ubuntu06:05
=== tonyyarusso would love to have a pile of computers, but lacks the money or excuse for such
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LaserJockgeeze, this screen is huge06:05
tonyyarussoajmitch: what is it running?06:06
ajmitchtonyyarusso: debian etch06:06
bddebiantonyyarusso: Place I work.  I used to get a shitload of hardware.  Hell I've given away about 8 machines to Hurd hackers06:06
LaserJock7" screens are a bit small06:06
tonyyarussoajmitch: where do you work that uses debian?06:06
ajmitchLaserJock: 2.5" screens are a little small as well06:06
ajmitchtonyyarusso: we run debian on the web servers, and I use this as a development box06:06
tonyyarussobddebian: Sweet.  I wouldn't mind a job like that.  Decent stuff, or old obsolete throwaways?06:06
bddebiantonyyarusso: Some decent, some crap.  Most of the Hurd boxes are 450Mhz-1Ghz machines06:07
=== StevenK has eight machines at home.
imbrandonhurd hackers just need a 38606:07
LaserJockwow, and a real keyboard06:07
nixternalI have 3 running, and 2 sitting, and 1 w/o a case :)06:07
=== ajmitch hasn't counted how many obsolete, useless boxes there are at home
LaserJockI'm surprise how used to the CMPC I got06:07
LaserJockI've been using it solid for the last few days06:08
ajmitchLaserJock: 2.5" screen with an on screen keyboard really isn't useful for irc ;)06:08
imbrandoni dont consider anything obsolete, i love to tinker with old hardware ( and new )06:08
LaserJockI only have my desktop, laptop (my wife's), and the CMPC06:08
bddebianWhat's a CMPC?06:09
ajmitchroot@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo06:09
ajmitchProcessor       : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l)06:09
ajmitchBogoMIPS        : 132.7106:09
ajmitchpure speed06:09
bddebianajmitch: heh06:09
nixternal132.71 bogomips, I haven't seen anything that low since my beeper06:10
ajmitch128MB of RAM in this beast though06:10
ajmitchMem:        126612      98936      27676          0         24      7054806:10
ajmitch-/+ buffers/cache:      28364      9824806:10
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kompozerbye folks, time to sleep a bit06:12
kompozerLaserJock, StevenK, bddebian, tonyyarusso, etc: thanks for this last-minute job ^^06:13
sn9nixternal: what was wrong with the ppc you threw out?06:13
tonyyarussokompozer: np :)06:13
nixternalsn9: everything06:13
ajmitchmoquist: so you're not using dbconfig-common for moodle?06:13
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nixternaldon't we all06:13
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LaserJockkompozer: thanks for working with us on it. It really does help to have upstreams06:13
LaserJockajmitch: no, we can't put it in Main06:13
imbrandonshit i cant rember my passwd for my mipsel box06:14
sn9nixternal: then i guess it wasn't an RS/600006:14
LaserJockbut we want Moodle06:14
ajmitchLaserJock: even with dbconfig-common?06:14
kompozerLaserJock: always glad to contribute  :)06:14
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LaserJockajmitch: it's gotta be in Main06:15
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LaserJockI don't feel like doing a MIR for dbconfig-common right now06:15
moquistajmitch: So if we use neither, our chances of getting into main are even better, right? :)06:15
ajmitchmoquist: depends on how well you write the maintainer scripts06:15
LaserJockafter we get the bugger in I'm all for changing it06:15
ajmitchiwj may look at them & gron in horror06:16
LaserJockbut I don't think ogra was too keen on bringing them into Main06:16
moquistajmitch: Well, yeah. But at least we're not starting from behind WRT deps.06:16
ajmitchthough I suspect that he may do that anyway06:16
LaserJockajmitch: that's why I wait until pitti is around for MIRs ;-)06:16
moquistajmitch: The mysql part is almost a direct copy of what mdz did for the mythtv package.06:16
moquistajmitch: the postgresql part is a direct implementation of the checks pitti told me to run, followed by about three commands to create the system user (/nonexistent home, disabled login, etc.) and a postgresql DB.06:17
moquistajmitch: All that is to say, I *hope* it's received well.06:18
ajmitchisn't moodle written in php? :)06:18
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moquistWell, there is that. :(06:18
moquistajmitch: This package only sets Moodle up to be accessible from localhost.06:18
ajmitchmoquist: how's its security record?06:19
LaserJocknot great06:19
LaserJockthat's why it hasn't been in Main before06:19
moquistMoodle or this package?06:19
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LaserJockbut I believe the newer version is much better06:19
ajmitchI wonder whether it'd count as 3 or 5 years support for 8.0406:20
LaserJockit's gonna have to06:20
ajmitchLaserJock: but which?06:20
LaserJockit's one of *the* most requested education apps06:20
ajmitchsupporting something like this for 5 years would be painful06:20
LaserJockall the desktop stuff is 306:20
ajmitcheven supporting php5 for 5 years would be a pain06:21
ajmitchyes, but it's a server app, that's not in a server seed06:21
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LaserJockyeah, well the Canonical people are pretty good at limiting what's counted for the 5 year support06:21
ajmitchthey need to make it clear for people, however06:22
LaserJockyeah, we asked in Edubuntu about it not long ago06:22
LaserJockbecause LTSP is a bit different06:22
LaserJockbecause it's a desktop server06:23
LaserJockbut we were told that the desktop components weren't given 5 year support06:23
ajmitchI've seen a few questions on the server list about knowing which packages are supported for 5 years06:23
moquistGiven that this package only enables moodle for localhost, that's really a desktop app. Or, at least, we could really argue that.06:23
ajmitchmoquist: oh sure, if it's in main it automatically gets the default support06:23
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ajmitchbye :)06:24
moquistLaserJock: what is going to happen going forward? I've been assuming that because of the time pressure someone is going to snatch this from my hands at some point and finish it properly.06:26
LaserJockyou need more experience in Ubuntu development then06:26
moquistOr, we can all watch me continue to struggle along...06:26
LaserJockwell, I'll try to twist some arms to review it06:26
moquistLaserJock: that would be lovely.06:26
LaserJockand then if it works we'll put it in06:27
LaserJockand we can work on the MIR06:27
moquistLaserJock: I also need feedback on the issues I raised in my email.06:27
ajmitchLaserJock: good luck in getting pitti to review the MIR, I think he's away for 2 weeks06:27
moquistThe first one obviously can't wait, because it's a wwwconfig reference. That's gotta be gone before main-time.06:27
LaserJockwell, I might have to try iwj :/06:27
moquistwho is iwj?06:27
ajmitchsince he just got married & all06:28
moquistYes, pitti is away for two weeks.06:28
moquistpitti did? good for him!06:28
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LaserJockmoquist: he's one of the writers of dpkg, debian policy, and the Debian BTS06:28
moquistOh, great. :) What's his name?06:28
LaserJockmoquist: and is the other guy that does MIR reviews06:28
ajmitchmoquist: "an interesting character" :)06:28
ajmitchhe'll do a quite in-depth review06:29
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moquistWell, that'll be good for me as a budding packager. Hopefully it won't hamper the package getting in.06:29
LaserJockmoquist: Ian Jackson06:30
moquistOK; I've heard the name. I can't picture him.06:30
moquistimages.google.com to the rescue...now I think I recognize him.06:31
moquistOr maybe I'm making my recognizance up.06:31
ajmitchyou would have met him06:31
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bddebianHmm, maybe I shouldn't go to Boston.. :-)06:32
LaserJockbddebian: why?06:33
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bddebianKeep up the "mystery" :)06:33
ajmitchbddebian: it's ok, I won't be there06:33
LaserJockbddebian: no, there's a lot of mystery at UDSs06:33
ajmitchmoquist: enjoy06:33
LaserJockinside jokes06:33
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ajmitchtop secret discussions06:33
LaserJockthe real "dirt" on people ,etc.06:33
bddebianajmitch: Well if you aren't going, I'm not going :_)06:34
ajmitchbddebian: your loss06:34
bddebianActually I want to go I'm just not sure what I'd bring to the table06:34
StevenK sparc build of gcc-snapshot 20070827-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu gutsy RELEASE06:35
StevenKStarted 18 hours ago06:35
StevenKPoor sejong06:35
ajmitchthe wisdom of many years?06:35
LaserJockbddebian: yourself of course06:35
StevenKbddebian: A self-berating attitude?06:36
bddebianMany years of f***-ups? :)06:36
ajmitchStevenK: he'll be there to cheer everyone up & motivate them06:36
bddebianMaybe I should go just to "Fight the Power" of bzr.. ;-P06:37
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ajmitchmaybe I should go to fanboy bddebian06:39
bddebianHah, yeah, now THAT would be funny :-)06:39
ajmitchyou're my hero06:39
StevenKajmitch: bddebian is your idle?06:40
bddebianYou are so full of s**t your eyes are brown :-)06:40
ajmitchStevenK: yeah, I idle a lot06:40
StevenKOh, that's wonderful imagery.06:41
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LaserJockwhat? you don't find the network auth discussions invigorating?06:44
ajmitchof course I do06:45
ajmitchbut it doesn't mean I can contribute at all :)06:45
LaserJockwell, I'm just there to look beautiful ;-)06:45
ajmitchand you do it so well06:45
LaserJockuhhh, yeah ....06:47
ajmitchand you also do a lot of edubuntu stuff, obviously06:47
LaserJockI wish it was more obvious06:48
LaserJockI only got one spec kinda done06:48
ajmitchso you have hordes of screaming fans?06:48
LaserJockcan't keep them away from me06:48
ajmitchman, I've got to do what you do :)06:49
ajmitchI can have hordes screaming at me06:49
ajmitchbut they tend not to be fans06:50
bddebianSee, I don't do anything useful so I don't have to worry about either.  Except maybe Toadstool hunting me down :-)06:51
ajmitchoh I don't do anything useful06:52
bddebianAnyway I suppose I should call it a night. Gnight folks06:54
Toadstoolgnight bddebian :)06:54
ajmitchtoo late06:54
Toadstooloops, too late06:54
ToadstoolI am trying to figure out why my laptop's hw clock can only be read once, no fun at all :/06:55
ajmitchthat's painful06:56
ajmitchwhat sort of laptop?06:56
Toadstoolhp tx1215nr06:56
Toadstooldon't buy this crap06:56
Toadstoolmy previous laptop stopped booting at all and this what I got from BestBuy as a replacement just great06:58
sn9what was that one?06:58
Toadstoolanother hp, dv2000-ish but at least feisty worked well on it06:59
sn9yeah, those were less crappy crap07:00
sn9bestbuy + hp = disappointment, guaranteed07:02
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RAOFOk, who killed gnome-volume-manager :(07:51
StevenKKenny's revenge? :-P07:51
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RAOFIn more working news, Gnome Phone Manager just works.07:56
StevenKGnome has a phone manager?07:56
RAOFCalled, unimaginatively enough, gnome phone manager.07:56
StevenKWhat does it do?07:57
StevenKIf you say manage phones, I will belt you. :-P07:57
RAOFIt seems to allow you to send & recieve SMSs from the phone.07:57
RAOFI'm not sure if it does anything else :)07:57
RAOFBut it works with bluetooth!07:57
ajmitchhello RAOF07:58
RAOFhello ajmitch07:58
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RAOFDid you know that circles are naturaly paramatised by points in projective 3-space?07:59
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tonyyarussoRAOF: I still don't.  What????08:00
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ajmitchRAOF: yes, why is that surprising? :)08:01
RAOFtonyyarusso: Rather than thinking of them as circles, you should be thinking of them as lines through the origin of R^4.  It's obvious :P08:01
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tonyyarussoRAOF: oh...um, sure08:02
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elmargolI think I'm to stupid to use PPA :(08:30
tonyyarussoI'm just too impatient - need to wait until it's not just for beta testers anymore.08:34
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jmlRAOF: that's crazy devil-talk08:39
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coNPHey MOTUs et. al!09:33
Hobbseehiya coNP09:33
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coNPHey Hobbsee.09:33
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\shmoins all09:35
coNPMoin \sh09:36
\shanyone up to upload some ftbfs fixes?09:36
coNP\sh sure09:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135762 in aprsd "[FTBFS]  aprsd because of old fashioned linux headers" [Undecided,New] 09:36
\shcoNP: now with LP autoclose feature in changelog09:36
coNPAm I supposed to forward "REVU: ... is in NEW" mails to ubuntu-motu@l.u.c ?09:37
coNPOh, REVU is gone again?09:37
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HobbseecoNP: we usually tend to, just for people to do stats, if they so wish09:44
HobbseecoNP: it is.  or should be.09:44
Hobbseehere, that is09:44
coNPI guess it is also nice if you have reviewed a package and you can see two weeks later that it finally got approved...09:44
coNP\sh: uploaded. Thanks.09:47
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\shcoNP, don't feel like that :)09:50
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coNPToday without REVU. Does this mean that "in effect" new package freeze happened yesterday?09:53
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\shcoNP, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bbkeys/+bug/135768 thx :)09:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135768 in bbkeys "[FTBFS]  bbkeys because of missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New] 09:59
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coNPdget, patch, pbuilder cycle started...10:01
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coNPHey norsetto10:09
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\shoh wow...I created  too many RPM spec files in the last time....adjusting back to makefile style ,-)10:09
\shits $(VAR) and not %{VAR} *lol* how funny10:10
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU is back up on a new box at the same url. | Gutsy new package freeze is 30 August
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asisakevand: congrats! Welcome aboard! :)07:43
ScottKasisak: imageinfo has been updated.  You might want to advocate/upload as someone else has acked it.07:45
asisakYeah. I'll check it. Thanks ScottK07:46
ScottKNo problem.  It should be good, I just don't have time to test it properly.07:46
asisakBTW dholbach has left.07:48
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fernandobddebian, with dh_makeshlibs it don't work (or more possible, my conf is wrong)07:52
asisakScottK: may I upload it? I guess it missed the new package upload freeze.07:53
asisakOr however it is called.07:53
ScottKasisak: My opinion, and I'm not sure, is that as long as it's 30 Aug somewhere, it's OK.07:53
asisakThe wiki page says "the day before". But I am okay with it07:53
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bddebianfernando: You created a install/libfoo:: section and added dh_makeshlibs?07:56
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fernandobddebian, binary-install/libgtk-vnc-1.0-0::07:57
asisakbddebian: do you think I can upload a package today?07:58
asisakI mean a new one. Even if it / we missed the strict deadline.07:58
bddebianasisak: Shoot it up and see if it gets accepted :-)07:59
bddebianIt's only 2:00pm on Aug 30 here :-)07:59
=== asisak shuts it up and sees if it gets accepted :)
fernandohi asisak07:59
asisakhey fernando07:59
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bddebianfernando: What's the error message?08:01
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fernandofernando@getec-supn2-02:~/pacotes/ubuntu/gtk-vnc/gtk-vnc-0.1.0$ linda -i ../*.deb08:01
fernandoW: libgtk-vnc-1.0-0; The library libgtk-vnc is not in a shlibs file.08:01
fernando The library shown above is not listed in a shlibs file. This means08:01
fernando that packages that depend on this one won't get ${shlibs:Depends}08:01
fernando correctly.08:01
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mayecowhen we have a kde4 project in launchpad?08:05
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bddebianfernando: Hmm, you may have to add some of the CDBS magic vars.  I'm not real familiar with using CDBS with dh_makeshlibs08:07
bddebianDEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libfoo := -V"libfoo (>= 0.1.2-3)" and such ?08:07
fernandobddebian, DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 := -V 'libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 $(shlibver)'08:07
asisakHmm... does this make any sense?08:08
bddebianSounds good.. :-)08:08
bddebianasisak: What?08:08
fernandobut don't work08:08
asisakWhy do you need to state explicitly the version?08:08
bddebianYou don't that is for an explicit version dependency I think08:08
bddebianIt was just an example from a website08:09
asisakThat is to specify the exact version IIRC08:11
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asisakfernando: did you solve the problem?08:20
nedkoshould jack apps be packaged by ppl here, or i should ask ubuntustudio ppl?08:20
fernandoasisak, no. it work only with a libgtk-vnc-1.0-0.shlibs file08:20
asisakThat is very good.08:21
asisakI think at least :)08:21
asisaklet me check...08:21
bddebianfernando: You got it to work with a static .shlibs file?08:22
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asisakis avant-window-navigator new?08:23
bddebianI believe it was08:23
fernandobddebian, yeah08:23
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fernandobddebian, the version on revu is using .shlibs file08:29
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sistpotyevand: welcome!08:29
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LaserJockare we at Frozen yet?08:29
sistpotyevand: around? just want to send a welcome message to ubuntu-devel, maybe you'd like to proofread? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35691/08:29
sistpotyhi LaserJock08:29
sistpotyLaserJock: not too sure... we're definitely frozen tomorrow afternoon, as then revu will probably be down (because we most probably need sparky's hdd)08:30
evandsistpoty: looks great, thanks08:30
sistpotyevand: ok, *sending*08:30
LaserJockwell, we were supposed to be frozen 00:00UTC on the 30th08:30
LaserJockbut we got 3 packages uploaded after that :-)08:31
asisakOnly 18 horus ago...08:31
asisakLaserJock: are you an archive admin? Or did you check the NEW queue?08:31
LaserJockno, I'm not an archive admin08:31
bddebianfernando: Isn't that the one that blew up on the linda/lintian check or did you fix that?08:32
LaserJockasisak: but I don't know that the last ones you uploaded are going to make it08:32
sistpotyLaserJock: hm... 00:00 is always a bad time... 23.59 or 00:01 would leave no issue on interpretation ;)08:32
LaserJockit says on the schedule wiki that you should have all work done *before* the deadline08:33
asisakI guess 0:00 and 24:00 are used.08:33
LaserJockthe day before08:33
asisak(At least in Hungary)08:33
LaserJockso I would assume 0:00 meant on minute before 00:0108:34
sistpotyI guess a few hours sooner or later don't make much of a difference08:35
LaserJockwell, it will08:35
LaserJockunless the archive admins know08:35
ScottKWithout having looked recently, I'd have thought that if the deadline was 30 Aug, that would mean 30 Aug was the day it had to be done by, not before.08:35
LaserJockwe had big problems with feisty that way08:35
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LaserJockScottK: me too, but the wiki says different :(08:35
=== asisak was sure 30. means the end of 30.
sistpotyLaserJock: right08:36
ScottKRight, so minus points on the wiki for being counter-intuitive.08:36
asisakI guess we should adopt a policy that cannot be misunderstood this (= the dangerous) way.08:36
LaserJockthe schedule says 00:00 and work should be done the day before the deadline08:36
LaserJockwell, having a policy in the first place and letting people know would be the first step08:37
sistpotyanyway, unless the deadline is moved for a day, and another day, and so on, it might be plausible to talk to archive admins to have the late uploads accepted08:37
asisakYes. But this can and is (and will always be) misunderstood08:37
LaserJocknobody sent out an email or anything08:37
asisakIf we would say 29.08:37
asisakthen you have one more time (worst case)08:37
fernandobddebian, is not a linda error? 'Check LibraryCheck failed. Exception IndexError thrown (list index out of range).'08:37
sistpotyLaserJock: hm... at least TheMuso sent a reminder last Sunday ;)08:38
sistpotymaybe we should send an NPF now mail out right now?08:38
LaserJockthat's what I did for Feisty08:39
ScottKThat would put a hard stake on when to cut things off.08:39
sistpotyLaserJock: since you have practice, mind doing it again ;)08:39
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LaserJocksistpoty: no problemo08:42
sistpotythx LaserJock08:42
LaserJockok, so do we want to declare NPFU? Riddell seems to think "end-of-day" is ok too08:44
sistpotysorry, phone atm08:44
bddebianfernando: Yeah, that's what I was getting.  Did you fix that?08:44
fernandobddebian, i don't know how to fix this. you do?08:45
asisakThere are 3 or 4 packages on REVU that can be handled till the end-of-day.08:45
asisakIt might be a reason to extend deadline (since we have uploaded some packages anyway till 0:00 UTC today)08:46
LaserJockok, that's roughly 4 hours08:46
LaserJockI'll send out the email then08:46
bddebianfernando: It only started when you added the .shlibs file afair.  When I take the .shlibs file out I don't get that08:46
asisak@now London08:46
ubotuCurrent time in Europe/London: August 30 2007, 19:46:46 - Next meeting: Community Council in 3 days08:46
LaserJockno, more like 5 hours08:46
asisakIn fact six.08:46
LaserJock5.5 ;-)08:46
asisakThey also have +1 now :)08:47
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LaserJockScottK: co-conspirator for what?08:58
ScottKTo do a blanket motu-uvf waiver.08:59
ScottKThe packages in NEW.08:59
nedkoshould jack apps be packaged by ppl here, or i should ask ubuntustudio ppl?09:00
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bddebiannedko: What is your question/concern?09:01
nedkosome jack apps that i created09:02
mohammadHello ScottK. Today is the last day for new packages, but the source and the binary of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ttf-sil-scheherazade are not available yet. Is that fine?09:02
nedkoi'm looking for ubuntu packager09:02
ScottKmohammad: We are just discussing that.09:02
bddebiannedko: You can file a [needs packaging]  bug request on launchpad09:02
nedkoiirc i talked one with TheMuso09:02
nedkowhere is that?09:03
bddebian http://launchpad.net09:03
ScottKTechnically not, but I'm going to prepare a waiver request for all the packages still in NEW (including that).09:03
nedkobddebian: thanks09:03
mohammadScottK thanks09:03
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ScottKzul: You around?09:08
zulnot really am at work and kind of on my deathbed09:09
LaserJockfor goodness sakes09:12
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YokoZar_What time does new package freeze end?09:15
YokoZar_Err start09:15
YokoZar_I have a package to submit still09:15
LaserJockgood question09:15
YokoZar_I guess I'll just work efficiently and hope for the best, heh09:16
ScottKzul: If you have enough attention/energy, I am preparing a blanket motu-uvf waiver for packages still in NEW.  I'm looking for an ack.  You appear to be the only one awak.09:17
ScottKIf not, I'll wait.09:17
zulScottK: if you send a list to the motu-uvf i can look at it when i have more energy09:17
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bddebianWhere's the best page for UDS details?09:44
bddebianYokoZar_: You can pretty much forget Gutsy if you haven't even submitted it yet09:44
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eddysenyone wake+09:46
bddebianDepends on your definition09:46
eddysthats true.09:46
eddyswell trying to get some help... but every one is so bussy.09:47
eddysjust a small problem.09:47
eddysjust refer me how to install a intel graficcard?09:48
nixternaleddys: #ubuntu would be your best bet for that answer09:48
eddysgoogle is not my friend today09:48
asisakthere is a nice debate on -devel09:48
asisakno one tends to listen here...09:48
nixternalwe are all free software junkies and will only tell you how to break your computer :)09:48
eddysbut all are spamming there.09:48
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eddysnixternal ;)09:49
nixternaljeesh, and the first thing I see is !automatix09:49
eddyswell freebsd is the shit imo but need to fix this to my girlfriend ;)09:50
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bddebianeddys: Well first you have to take the cover off.09:55
ScottKeddys: Are you adding a card to an existing Ubuntu installation or installing the card and then Ubuntu?09:56
LaserJockhmm, why is it that it seems like I'm always the one that starts these things :(09:56
joejaxxLaserJock: you can pass it to me :D09:56
bddebianLaserJock: Yeah, troublemaker! :_)09:56
deadwillhey LaserJock09:56
joejaxxbddebian: lol09:57
bddebianDamn there are so many nicks I don't even recognize anymore.. :'-(09:58
deadwillbddebian, :)09:58
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LaserJockall I wanted to do was write the stinking "Freeze is here" email :(10:00
sistpotysorry, LaserJock, but good job in the end, as this really needs discussing imo10:01
LaserJockwell yeah10:01
LaserJockI thought everybody was on the same page10:01
LaserJockI just wanted to clarify the exact time10:01
asisakI think it is very good that you brought up this clarify issue10:02
joejaxxwhy not have a BoF about it :)10:02
snikkerwhy if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder of a source code) start with a block comment (#), the templates file in the packaged version (build with "debuild -uc -us") is replaced with a blank line?10:04
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asisakHey dholbach10:05
dholbachhi asisak10:05
asisakYou seem to have assigned me an already-uploaded package :)10:05
bddebiandholbach: !!10:05
sistpotyhi dholbach10:05
dholbachasisak: oh, must have missed that10:05
dholbachhey bddebian, hey sistpoty10:05
asisakdholbach: np :)10:06
asisakFeel free to assign me (already uploaded) packages again :)10:06
LaserJockheh, Prince Adam returns10:07
asisakLaserJock: who is Prince Adam?10:09
snikkerno ones?10:10
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bddebianI'm just Beastman10:11
bddebiansistpoty: Hehe10:11
bddebianHow come no one assigns me anything? :'-(10:12
sistpotybddebian: you could do that behind motu interview for me ;)10:12
pygibddebian, you want to be assigned? I'll be glad to assign things to you :)10:13
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bddebiansistpoty: I already did one and sound enough like an idiot :-)10:13
sistpotybddebian: you could pretend that you were me ;)10:13
dholbachsistpoty: DO IT! :)10:14
sistpotydholbach: do what?10:14
CharlesEdwardPaxI've been from #ubuntu-devel to #launchpad to her; I hope I'm in the right place for this. I have a handy little application in Python using libglade called Gladex (http://www.openphysics.org/~gladex/), which is hosted in Launchpad bzr. I hacked together a Makefile that will output a binary package when the user types "make package"; this is located in the bzr repository. This is fine for personal use and distribution to 10:14
CharlesEdwardPaxThe problem I'm having is making a source package that won't make PPA's automated build system puke. All the tutorials and documentation I've found are more complex than I would hope for.10:14
CharlesEdwardPaxDoes anyone have an example or can point me to some good information on how I need to structure the code in the bzr repository and what files must be included in the bzr repository?10:14
dholbachsistpoty: do the interview yourself :)10:15
sistpotydholbach: hehe, actually I'm just doing it ;)10:15
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dholbachrock and roll10:16
asisakHmm... I missed my interview as well :)10:16
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mohammadScottK: hello, are you here?10:17
mohammadregarding the licensing issues of the translations, if we change our source to http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16955 which says "Not copyrighted in the United States. If you live elsewhere check the laws of your country before downloading this ebook", then is it fine for multiverse?10:19
CharlesEdwardPaxSo can anyone help?10:20
dholbachsistpoty: I'll add a note about evand to UbuntuWeeklyNews10:20
asisakdholbach: I guess superm1 has not been mentioned10:20
dholbachsistpoty: we should make a habit of that and always plug the MOTU site in there :)10:20
sistpotydholbach: great, thanks!10:20
dholbachasisak: I did10:20
asisakOh, I am sorry ...10:20
sistpotydholbach: definitely... if only i had more time :(10:20
dholbachoh, somebody added him already10:20
mohammadScottK ^10:20
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asisakI thought it was only /me who got included in the last UWN10:21
ScottKmohammad: We are past new package freeze for Gutsy now anyway.  I'd suggest you focus on getting Zekr in Debian for the moment.10:21
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ScottKmohammad: The timing of a lot of stuff was unfortunate this time around.  I'm glad we got Zekr in as I know it's an important package to a lot of people.10:22
snikkerwhy if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder of a source code) start with a block comment (#), the templates file in the packaged version (build with "debuild -uc -us") is replaced with a blank line?10:22
ScottKsnikker: Why do you care?10:22
CharlesEdwardPaxWhen someone needs help with packaging what IRC channel should they use?10:23
eddyshehe well i solved it pretty nice10:23
joejaxxCharlesEdwardPax: this one10:23
joejaxxCharlesEdwardPax: people are probably just busy at the moment10:23
bddebianCharlesEdwardPax: Here but I despise bzr so I can't help you, sorry10:23
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snikkerScottK: because if i templates start with 2 blank lines (one of this is introduced by package system in dapper), the package don't work...10:25
snikker*if a template10:25
mohammadScottK: After freezing you will not import any new packages from Debian. Will you? (just I am not sure about the regulations)10:25
bddebianmohammad: New versions from Debian stopped at UVF a couple of weeks ago10:25
bddebianWithout a UVFe anyway10:26
ScottKmohammad: No, generally we don't.10:26
ossurayynotScottK, Just started reading e-mail here.  I don't remember what the exact timestamp of the kompozer upload was, but it was labelled as the last one before our intended NPFU time.  Do I need to file a UVFe form for it, or is it covered by your blanket filing?10:26
ScottKmohammad: I suspect that the gutenburg one is OK, but am not certain.10:26
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bddebianLaserJock: You still aboot?10:27
LaserJockbddebian: kinda, what's up?10:29
ScottKtonyyarusso or ossurayynot: It was filed after according to LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue10:29
ScottKPlease file a UVFe with the bits that are applicable.  I think kompozer is an important one to get it.10:29
mohammadScottK: You helped a lot on my packages. Thank you and see you later10:30
bddebianLaserJock: Can I pm you for just a sec?10:31
ScottKYou're welcom mohammad.  Thank you for your contributions.10:31
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ScottKAccording to my calculations, boswars was the last source pakcage uploaded before the real freeze.  Anyone feel differently?10:31
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LaserJockbddebian: just do it!10:32
huatsI'd like to try to use ppa... does anybody can help me with that ?10:34
ScottKhuats: #launchpad10:34
huatsScottK: thanks10:35
ossurayynotScottK, :(  So I should fill out the form then?10:35
ScottKossurayynot: Yes.  DEFINITELY.10:35
ScottKJust the bits that apply.  Explain why Ubuntu wants the package.  Don't whine.10:35
ossurayynotScottK, All right, will do.  (The discussion in this channel was that it would be covered, but last - sigh)10:35
ossurayynotof course10:35
ScottKWell if someone wants to argue with me on when it was uploaded, I'm open to suggestions.10:36
ScottKWe definitely, I think, want it in, but if I take one post-freeze package, I think I have to take them all and I'm not prepared to do that.10:36
ossurayynotGood point.10:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about uvfe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:37
ossurayynotScottK, do I need to attach/link the source package in this case, or can I just say it's on the new queue?10:38
ScottKJust say it's in NEW10:39
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asisakMorning, ajmitch10:43
ScottKPlease have a look at Bug #136207 and let me know if I missed any packages uploaded before the freeze?10:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13620710:44
ScottKNevermind.  There are more.10:45
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:45
asisakScottK: both qtpfsgui and scolily. I just delayed the "NEW" mails sent since I was not sure if I should forward them to ubuntu-motu10:46
ScottKasisak: When were they uploaded?10:46
ScottKqtpfsgui I have now.10:47
asisaklet me check10:47
ScottKscolily too.10:47
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ScottKasisak: It's OK.  I found them.10:47
asisakBefore yesterday. For sure10:47
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asisakCool, thanks ScottK for the list10:48
ScottKPlease have a look at Bug #136207 AGAIN and let me know if I missed any packages uploaded before the freeze?10:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13620710:49
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LaserJockScottK: there's still 4 hrs10:50
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LaserJockI'd say anything that's in NEW now should go10:50
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ajmitchLaserJock: when has been decreed the official time for the freeze?10:51
ScottKLaserJock: My plan is to blanket approve everything that was uploaded prior to the pedantic version of the deadline and then one by one approve the stuff uploaded after.10:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136210 in ubuntu "UVFe request: kompozer" [Undecided,New] 10:51
LaserJockScottK: sounds reasonable10:51
LaserJockajmitch: heh, you missed out10:52
LaserJockajmitch: we've been spending the day figuring that out10:52
bddebianWe could always just upload everything on REVU and let the admins sort them out..10:52
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ajmitchLaserJock: so I see10:52
ossurayynotScottK, Does that all look ship-shape?10:52
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ScottKossurayynot: Looks good to me, but I'm not going to ack it until after the mass filed one goes in.10:53
ossurayynotScottK, Sure.  Just making sure the details are all there right.10:53
ScottKzul or soren: If one of you would please ack/confirm Bug #136207, I'd appreciate it.10:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13620710:54
sorenScottK: done10:55
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ScottKsoren: Thanks.10:56
ScottKossurayynot: Acked by me.10:57
ossurayynotScottK, Awesome.  ty10:57
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deadwillany news on bug #124775 ?11:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124775 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "No kernel modules for the 2.6.22 kernel" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12477511:02
ossurayynotScottK, I take it the goal is to have a better-defined policy and understanding between MOTU and Archive for next time eh?11:03
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ScottKdeadwill: It's filed against an utterly bizarre package11:03
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asisakWe might file a bug to sync wnpp from debian :)11:05
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asisakJust to keep the ratio of "utterly bizarre pacakages" high enough11:06
ajmitchScottK: he fits in well around here11:06
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ossurayynotI heard someone mention wnpp the other day - what is it?11:07
ajmitchbddebian: nah, you're crazy enough11:07
ajmitchossurayynot: a debian pseudo-bug, like how we file 'needs-packaging'11:07
asisakossurayynot: it is a pseudo package you can file bugs against11:07
ossurayynotajmitch, aaah11:07
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ajmitchit's a convenient way of getting them all in the same place :)11:08
ossurayynotOkay, that would be an amusing bug.11:08
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deadwillbye all11:09
asisakbye deadwill11:09
bddebianLater deadwill11:09
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gnomefreakbtw what arch is lpia11:09
ossurayynotdunno, but it sure is taking up a lot of the build server's time lately11:09
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ajmitchLow Power Intel Architecture11:10
gnomefreakthan wtf did i work on this for 3 days :(11:10
ossurayynotis that for embedded stuff?11:10
ajmitchfor ubuntu mobile11:10
gnomefreakwell its fixed11:10
ajmitchgnomefreak: hard to say, since we don't know what you're doing11:10
gnomefreakajmitch: mozilla apps were FTBFS on that arch11:11
gnomefreaki just fixed iceape to build on it11:11
gnomefreakjust kind of wondered why11:11
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ossurayynotWhat's FTBFS - Failed to build ? ?11:12
asisakfrom source I guess11:12
bddebianFailed To Build From Source11:12
gnomefreakyes from source] 11:12
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ossurayynotwouldn't that be already built then?11:14
gnomefreakossurayynot: flash? we dont get source11:14
ossurayynotgnomefreak, good point11:15
gnomefreakscript builds it agaisnt normal tarball11:15
gnomefreaki assume binary but could be wrong11:15
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asisakArchive admins seems to like noble revenge. Xgrep and mustang is already in gutsy...11:17
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ScottKasisak: Are you sure?11:20
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ScottKasisak: That means it was uploaded, not that it got through NEW.11:21
ajmitchScottK: no, afaik packages only show on -changes after NEW processing11:23
ajmitchand mustang isn't in the queue anymore11:23
sorenI took the liberty of clarifying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewPackagesFreezeUniverse11:23
gnomefreakonce it lands in new it hits changes11:23
sorenajmitch: Correct.11:23
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ossurayynotsoren, ACCEPTed ?11:23
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mustang <-- not on here yet though :)11:24
gnomefreaki had iceape in changes spent 3 weeks in NEW11:24
ScottKIf mustang was accepted, then LP doesn't know about it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=mustang11:24
asisakajmitch: c-r11:24
sorenossurayynot: Yes. It means it gets accepted from the NEW queue and gets built.11:24
gnomefreakeasy way to find out look in NEW11:24
ossurayynotsoren, I meant did you mean to not capitalize the last two letters?11:24
sorenossurayynot: Yes.11:25
sorenossurayynot: It's the common way to denote that event.11:25
ossurayynotsoren, ah, good to know11:25
ScottKActually mustang was in NEW when I wrote the bug.  It's not now.11:25
ajmitchasisak: same thing :)11:25
gnomefreakmustang isnt in new11:26
ScottKNew also had ~49 items and now has 25 (most of the missing ones were bin NEW).11:26
asisakajmitch: same as what? :)11:26
ScottKIt was.11:26
ossurayynotWow, the NEW queue has dropped from 62 to 25 since last night11:26
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gnomefreakah it was accepted11:26
ScottKSomeone is processing the NEW stuff right now.11:26
gnomefreakyeah they were talking about it earlier today11:26
ossurayynotIs there anyone else available ATM with the authority to ack UVFes?11:26
gnomefreakiirc archive admins can only do that11:27
sorenossurayynot: Yes.11:27
sorenossurayynot: Which one?11:27
ossurayynotsoren, could you glance at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/13621011:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136210 in kompozer "UVFe request: kompozer" [Undecided,New] 11:27
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gnomefreakossurayynot: that is you11:27
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ossurayynotgnomefreak, yeah11:28
ScottKsoren: It's an important package for Desktop to have a wysiwg (sort of) HTML editor.11:28
gnomefreakthat is first ever build for ubuntu right?11:28
ossurayynotbtw, RE mustang, I have an e-mail "87  Ubuntu InstallerAccepted mustang 3.0-0ubuntu1 (source)30 Aug 2007"11:28
ScottKYeah.  Just accepted.11:28
sorenossurayynot, ScottK: Oh, just did that one.11:28
ossurayynotgnomefreak, First in Ubuntu anyway.  getdeb has a build of the previous version.11:28
sorenossurayynot, ScottK: ..by e-mail, so there's a couple of minutes' delay.11:29
asisakossurayynot: yeah I also got that. Therefore I started this whole issue :)11:29
ossurayynotsoren, ah, wonderful11:29
gnomefreakfirst one in archive though11:29
bddebianLater folks11:29
kompozersee ya bddebian11:29
ScottKSee ya bddebian.11:29
gnomefreakwhats with the different icons (or looks like paper on icons in query?11:30
LaserJocksoren: so what's up with not getting ebox in?11:30
LaserJocksoren: you sure you can't get it?11:30
sorenLaserJock: I'm an idiot.11:30
ossurayynotgnomefreak, binary vs source I think ?11:30
sorenLaserJock: Quite.11:30
LaserJocksoren: how much more time do you need?11:30
ajmitchsoren: that's a bit harsh11:30
ajmitchwhat was the problem with it?11:31
LaserJockI wanted to reply to your blog and forgot11:31
LaserJockI think you should push for it11:31
gnomefreakossurayynot: looks like it11:31
sorenWell, there's quite a bit of work to be done, and a lot of testing and we're past featurefreeze.11:31
LaserJockso it needs a FF exception, no biggie :-)11:31
ScottKAs long as it's just in Universe, no one cares about that ;-)11:31
LaserJockI would think it would make a good exception candidate11:32
ossurayynotSo does anything else need to be done once the UVFe has two acks, or do we just sit back and wait for archive to glance at it?11:32
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ScottKossurayynot: The later.11:33
sorenLaserJock: I'm not sure. FF was a while ago and there's still a lot of work to do.11:33
LaserJockI'd still work on it if you can11:33
ossurayynotScottK, All right then - sounds like sandwich time.11:33
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LaserJockI snuck some package into Edubuntu around Beta last time ;-)11:33
LaserJockyou might get lucky11:33
sorenLaserJock: I'm planning on working on it in my spare time and probably stick it in my PPA, but it needs changed in other stuff like openldap and samba and such.11:34
ajmitchsoren: ouch, sounds like a big task11:34
LaserJockI just didn't want you to give up because of FF11:34
ajmitchsoren: did you manage to get much other stuff done in gutsy?11:34
sorenajmitch: I already did the openldap work (and got it accepted in Debian), but Samba is... troublesome.11:34
LaserJockas that is what exceptions are for, important things that didn't quite make it in time11:35
ajmitchsamba is always fun11:35
sorenLaserJock: Well, it's not going to get into main, that's pretty certain.11:35
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ajmitchmaybe I should volunteer for ubuntu-archive ;)11:36
ScottKmok0: You have a bug to deal with: Bug #13621811:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136218 in kssh "depend on openssh-client" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13621811:36
ajmitchbut I bet that non-canonical people can't do it yet due to necessary access to LP11:37
=== ScottK is pretty sure that's the case.
LaserJockI think it might be possible11:37
sorenajmitch: It's beyond lp, I think. I think you need shell access to things.11:37
LaserJockI've pushed LP devs to get it so we can11:37
ajmitchsoren: yes, that's what I suspected11:37
ajmitchit used to be that direct DB access was needed11:37
ajmitchand running scripts to manage the queues & shuffle packages around11:38
LaserJockI think there might be very little that needs special treatment now11:38
LaserJockI need to have a talk with kiko, but it looked to me like a lot of it was done11:38
sorenajmitch: Possibly. I don't know the details, but I've seen some archive admin happen and it didn't all involve a web browser :)11:38
mok0ScottK: will take a look11:38
ajmitchmight be worth asking if the 'community' can help out there11:38
ajmitchthere'd need to be some well-trained in license pedantry though11:38
LaserJockI know the almost let us admin -proposed11:38
ScottKmok0: Great.11:39
LaserJockbut then our SRU policy "fixed" itself so I had to "invalid" that bug11:39
ScottKmok0: Also note that the person that filed it is not a random just somebody, but a senior Ubuntu developer, so I'd pay close attention ...11:39
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mok0ScottK:  Hmm. I don't know. Why should it?11:40
ScottKDoes it work if you don't have ssh installed?11:40
mok0ScottK:  I'll test it.11:40
ossurayynotIsn't the ssh client part of ubuntu-minimal, and therefore not needed to be mentioned as a dep?11:41
ScottKNo ssh is installed by defaul afaik11:41
asisakStevenK: can you check bug 134623? It has been corrected. At least I hope so :)11:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462311:41
ScottKmok0: Don't forget that it's the -client you need to make sure isn't installed.11:41
ossurayynotNo ssh server is, but I thought the client was.  Can anyone rdepends openssh-client and check?11:41
asisakossurayynot: ubuntu-minimal is not an rdepend of openssh-client11:42
ossurayynotasisak, hmm, ok11:43
asisakossurayynot: is this what you wanted to know?11:43
ajmitchossurayynot: you can't assume that ubuntu-minimal is installed, even11:43
ossurayynotajmitch, really?11:44
=== ossurayynot thought he remembered reading something or other, but isn't at all sure of the details
ajmitchit's just another meta-package that can be removed11:46
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ScottKGotta run.  See you all later.11:51
ajmitchbye ScottK11:52
kompozersee ya Scottk11:53
LaserJockossurayynot: the stuff that doesn't need to be in a dep is the stuff that has Priority: essential11:53
asisakbye ScottK11:55
sorenLaserJock: ...and required.11:55
mok0ScottK: My machine dropped network completely when I uninstalled openssh-client.11:55
LaserJocksoren: I didn't think required11:56
sorenLaserJock: You didn't think /of/ required or you didn't think packages with Priority: required  didn't need a Depends: ?11:58
ossurayynotLaserJock, Aaah, that was it11:58
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ajmitchheh, good night11:59
LaserJockah, actually policy says you don't have to build-dep on any packages in build-essential11:59
LaserJockblah, why don't I have Policy memorized yet? :-)12:01
ossurayynotBecause remembering to sleep and eat is still taking up those sections of your brain.  Dump those and you'll be fine.12:02
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TheMusoHey folks.12:08
ajmitchhello TheMuso12:08
asisakHey TheMuso12:08
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cbx33hey imbrandon12:20
cbx33pingity ping12:20
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pygicbx33, you're bugging again?:)12:20
cbx33he told me to12:21
pygiif it makes him happy ...:P12:21
cbx33how are you12:21
pygitired :P12:21
ajmitchhello cbx3312:23
cbx33hey ajmitch12:23
asisakHey cbx3312:24
cbx33hi asisak12:24
cbx33how is everyone??12:24
blueyedcbx33: fine (drunken). Thanks for asking.. :p  - and you?12:32
superm1hi guys12:32
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TheMusoHey superm1.12:33
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elite101hey i got sent here, and i was wondering on how to make a livecd?12:33
elite101Im running Kubuntu 7.04 Feist fawn12:34
superm1TheMuso, i was talking to xtknight earlier today about hugin, do you know which of the ubuntu studio folks would be best to speak to about ubuntu-studio-graphics?12:34
superm1its the only rdepend on it12:34
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xtknightsuperm1, i just posted about the zhang_undistort problem on their list a minute ago12:34
TheMusosuperm1: You can talk to me, as I currently have a hand in updating ubuntustudio-meta.12:34

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