[12:36] <LaserJock> ok, I need some idea of people to interview for Behind MOTU
[12:36] <ajmitch> hobbsee?
[12:36] <LaserJock> anybody got some suggestions/nominations? :-)
[12:36] <geser> LaserJock: ajmitch
[12:37] <ajmitch> I'm waaay behind
[12:37] <LaserJock> heh
[12:37] <norsetto> LaserJock: geser :-P
[12:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[12:37] <LaserJock> norsetto: I already interviewed geser
[12:38] <geser> norsetto: http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/behind-motu-michael-bienia/
[12:38] <LaserJock> I've got StevenK on my list
[12:38] <norsetto> LaserJock: yeah, but he changed in the meantime
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[12:38] <geser> I hope I didn't changed that much in four months
[12:40] <LaserJock> any more?
[12:42] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I should get everybody on MC
[12:43] <ajmitch> you need to get sistpoty now then
[12:43] <LaserJock> yep
[12:45] <tonyyarusso> KompoZer source package is now uploading.
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[12:46] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:47] <LaserJock> you can run, but you can hide!!!
[12:47] <LaserJock> mwuhahahaha
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[12:47] <LaserJock> ohhh!
[12:47] <LaserJock> Nafallo: you should've just stood there in the corner
[12:47] <LaserJock> now I know :-)
[12:47] <sistpoty> *phew*
[12:47] <Nafallo> LaserJock: I know. I wanted you to know :-)
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[01:01] <blueyed> Any advice on bug 135695? Do I have to file a different bug for removing the (obsolete) php4-interbase package? I'd say so, but am unsure.
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135695 in php-interbase "FTBFS: depends on php4-dev, which has been removed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135695
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[01:02] <LaserJock> heah jono
[01:03] <jono> hey
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Please review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=144
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: I need to go eat dinner; can you take any questions?
[01:03] <LaserJock> jono: what are you doing up this late?
[01:03] <jono> LaserJock: just checking mail :)
[01:03] <jono> heading off in a sec :)
[01:03] <jono> hows things LaserJock?
[01:04] <LaserJock> crazy busy
[01:04] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: didn't you forget the *.tar.gz source archive?
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> ...why is there no .diff?
[01:04] <LaserJock> I dropped by to bug MOTU for a bit
[01:04] <kompozer> ...and the diff, yes
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> I uploaded with full source, what happened?
[01:04] <LaserJock> I'm sending off some Behind MOTU interviews right now
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload <-- right there
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> oh hell
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Forgot the -f
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: Re-running it with the force.
[01:05] <ajmitch> 'oops'
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> It should be there in a bit
[01:05] <ajmitch> hey mr jono
[01:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: interview jono?
[01:06] <jono> hey ajmitch
[01:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:06] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: do you upload a diff or the full source tarball I made?
[01:06] <LaserJock> I think he needs to become a MOTU Hopeful first ;-)
[01:06] <jono> heh
[01:06] <jono> I know what a pbuilder is now, does that count?
[01:06] <LaserJock> we don't interview just anybody around here ;-)
[01:06] <jono> I have actually been reading the packaging guide
[01:07] <LaserJock> well, that's definitely getting there
[01:07] <jono> I would like to learn to package at some point, its just finding the time
[01:07] <norsetto> laserjock: we are not hopefuls any more, we lost what hope we had .....
[01:07] <LaserJock> jono: is jokosher in Main yet?
[01:07] <jono> LaserJock: nope, Jokosher is still very buggy
[01:07] <LaserJock> norsetto: there's always hope :-)
[01:07] <LaserJock> jono: well geeze, fix it up man
[01:07] <LaserJock> it's not like you've got other things to do ;p
[01:08] <jono> haha
[01:08] <jono> right, drums and then bed for me
[01:08] <jono> night all!
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[01:11] <bddebian> Damn, i have to get home.  If someone has time, could they look over sdlmame?  I'd love to see that one get in if possible..
[01:11] <bddebian> Later folks
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[01:16] <norsetto> g'night all
[01:16] <sistpoty> ok, gotta go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[01:21] <LaserJock> alrighty then, 5 interviews sent out
[01:23] <ajmitch> uh oh
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[01:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: don't worry, I didn't send you one yet
[01:26] <ajmitch> good ;)
[01:26] <ajmitch> since you know I've got nothing to say
[01:27] <LaserJock> heh
[01:27] <LaserJock> I just need to get other things done today
[01:27] <LaserJock> you and crimsun are the hard ones to get
[01:27] <ajmitch> how so?
[01:27] <LaserJock> you don't blog, nough said
[01:28] <LaserJock> ;p
[01:28] <ajmitch> quite true
[01:28] <LaserJock> people who don't blog are too cool for blog interviews ;-)
[01:28] <ajmitch> which means I'm not important, end of story :)
[01:28] <LaserJock> no, it means you're uber important
[01:28] <LaserJock> like transcendent or something
[01:28] <alvinc> it means that paparazzi are probably waiting in the bushes to waylay you
[01:29] <ajmitch> you've got a funny idea of 'important' then
[01:29] <LaserJock> ok, is anybody reviewing kompozer?
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[01:30] <ajmitch> I hate uploading stuff to debian when source+binary is 40+MB
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[01:31] <LaserJock> do you *have* to upload binaries  in Debian?
[01:31] <ajmitch> yes
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[01:31] <LaserJock> that's so funky to me
[01:31] <ajmitch> which is a bit annoying in this case, since it's php
[01:31] <LaserJock> I guess that makes sure that you build it
[01:31] <ajmitch> yep
[01:31] <ajmitch> and building this isn't much of a challenge
[01:32] <ajmitch> uploading is
[01:32] <LaserJock> is the .deb you upload actually put it the archive? or does it get rebuilt?
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[01:32] <kompozer> about KompoZer, is everything ready for the review now? I still can't see my source tarball in REVU
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> uhhh, why is REVU taking so long to respond?
[01:33] <LaserJock> it looks like something might be wrong
[01:33] <LaserJock> it's timing out for me
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: The dput finished, I'm checking for confirmation.
[01:33] <ajmitch> yes, the .deb I upload is put into the archive
[01:33] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe sparky is down
[01:33] <ajmitch> right, I can't ssh to sparky
[01:34] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe it's time to declare NPFU :/
[01:34] <ajmitch> aw
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Is there somewhere else I can put kompozer for you?
[01:34] <ajmitch> let me upload a flood of crack now
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> Actually, wait - I have space
[01:36] <kompozer> I can also put stuff on my sourceforge project page
[01:37] <LaserJock> man, I would soooo love to put a gnuplot+readline package in my PPA :/
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Our package uses a +dfsg tarball - would that be confusing dpkg-buildpackage?
[01:38] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think so
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> ok
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=== tonyyarusso is trying to diagnose that lack of a .diff.gz
[01:39] <LaserJock> what does it say?
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: nothing - there just isn't a .diff.gz in the end.
[01:40] <LaserJock> usually debuild/dpkg-buildpackage gives you some clue
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> and it makes a kompozer_0.7.10-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[01:40] <LaserJock> oh
[01:41] <LaserJock> well the version needs to probably have +dfsg too
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> ooooooh, in control?
[01:41] <LaserJock> in changelog
[01:41] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: why can't we just rename the source tarball, like we said yesterday?
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: I did - it apparently gets confused
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> fixing
[01:42] <LaserJock> it needs to know where to find the .orig.tar.gz
[01:42] <LaserJock> <packagename>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[01:42] <Nafallo> hmm. where did I agree to what? :-)
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[01:43] <tonyyarusso> Okay, keep an eye on REVU in case it wakes up, otherwise http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> uploads in progress
[01:44] <LaserJock> I've updated my pbuilder
[01:44] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> A fine time for REVU to die, eh?
[01:48] <LaserJock> it's a sign
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[01:49] <LaserJock> well, that would
[01:49] <LaserJock> but I assume that he's wanting to keep the dfsg
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[01:51] <kompozer> there's no use in keeping the dfsg, it's just a way for me to say the latest source tarball doesn't include executables nor trademarked icons any more. I'm not Mozilla.com, now that I know that my source tree contained non-free files, I sure won't let them in
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[01:52] <kompozer> it's the way I've stored this file on SF.net, I'm not sure it makes any sense to keep the 'dfsg' suffix in the archive
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: Don't you still have to keep them around for the Windows and Mac OS ?
[01:52] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: no
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> oh
[01:52] <LaserJock> well, it's more correct to use the upstream versioning if you can
[01:52] <LaserJock> it's not a big deal
[01:53] <LaserJock> you just gotta have the tarball match debian/changelog
[01:53] <LaserJock> how big is the tarball?
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> 34M
[01:53] <LaserJock> k
[01:54] <LaserJock> that's kinda hefty
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> a little
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[01:55] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: So your plan is to have the regular -src NOT have dsfg in it?
[01:56] <kompozer> LaserJock: actually, yesterday StevenK told me a repack would be better - or at least, that's what I've understood. Hence this new tarball
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[01:56] <LaserJock> kompozer: yes, that is much nicer for us
[01:56] <kompozer> LaserJock: ...
[01:57] <StevenK> Oh, gah.
[01:57] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: I don't need these non-free files for KompoZer, so I won't keep them in future versions that's for sure
[01:57] <kompozer> hi StevenK
[01:57] <StevenK> 19 of the uploads I did yesterday contain a bogus file in debian/
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[01:57] <LaserJock> StevenK: what file?
[01:57] <StevenK> debian/changelog.mine
[01:57] <LaserJock> heh
[01:57] <LaserJock> that stinks
[01:58] <StevenK> I have a script that can add changelog entries, and find can remove them all.
[01:58] <StevenK> Yeah, screw it.
[01:58] <ajmitch> StevenK: not too much of a problem, then
[01:58] <ajmitch> as long as they're dropped on the next upload & don't confuse everyone
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[01:59] <minghua> StevenK: Are they in binary packages as well?
[01:59] <StevenK> ajmitch: My thought is I can run find and my script over the lot of them and fix them all in about 2 minutes.
[01:59] <StevenK> minghua: I seriously doubt it.
[02:00] <minghua> StevenK: Then if it was me, I won't bother re-uploading.
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[02:00] <ajmitch> StevenK: yes, that part is easy
[02:00] <LaserJock> my gosh cjwatson must love bash
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> Strange scripts somewhere?
[02:01] <LaserJock> well, I was trying to figure out how the download pages for cdimage.ubuntu.com ,etc. are done
[02:02] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ is now empty, everything's normal?
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[02:02] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: yeah - a sec
[02:02] <LaserJock> so i finally found a make-web-indices script that is 546 lines long
[02:03] <LaserJock> it's quite a lot of shell script
[02:03] <LaserJock> now I gotta figure out how to hack it
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[02:08] <LaserJock> hah, I love this comment: # Perverse, but works.
[02:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco!!
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[02:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: happy birthday!
[02:09] <LaserJock> maybe a little belated
[02:10] <nixternal> LaserJock: select all -> delete!
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[02:14] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: alright, is it ready to review?
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: 16 seconds
[02:14] <LaserJock> 10
[02:14] <LaserJock> 9
[02:14] <LaserJock> 8
[02:14] <LaserJock> 7
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/
[02:14] <LaserJock> are we there yet?
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> yes
[02:15] <mok0> BOOOOMM
[02:15] <zul_> heylo
[02:16] <LaserJock> is anybody in charge of sending a NPFU announcement?
[02:16] <mok0> What time is it?
[02:17] <LaserJock> Thu Aug 30 00:17:02 GMT 2007
[02:17] <mok0> ... so there is still 17 hours
[02:18] <LaserJock> well I guess it was supposed to be a 00:00 UTC
[02:18] <mok0> ah
[02:18] <LaserJock> so 17 minutes ago
[02:18] <mok0> :-)
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> Is there a second person reviewing that?
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: ?
[02:18] <mok0> I wanted to see how busy you gou
[02:19] <mok0> guys have been but REVU is dead..
[02:19] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Hum?
[02:19] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/, in leiu of REVU
[02:23] <LaserJock> wow, linda doesn't like it
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[02:24] <LaserJock> StevenK: I'm running linda on this kompozer source package and it's got my CPU pegged with a "file" process
[02:24] <StevenK> Sounds about right.
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: which file are you running it on?
[02:25] <LaserJock> the .dsc
[02:25] <wrecked> newbie question... whats the correct way to request a merge of an updated debian stable package?
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[02:25] <StevenK> Linda (and Lintian, for that matter), run 'file' over every file in the unpacked source package.
[02:25] <wrecked> make that unstable rather.
[02:25] <LaserJock> StevenK: lintian breezed over it though
[02:26] <LaserJock> wrecked: is it a new upstream version?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hey thanks! sorry was afk for a while having breakfast :)
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: yeah, linda's really slow on my system too
[02:27] <wrecked> LaserJock: yes, the debian unstable version of kvm was updated to 36. gutsy has 28.
[02:27] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Does it actually build?
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: ok, my linda finished.  Took a long time, but zero output.
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: yes
[02:28] <LaserJock> wrecked: you'll want to file an Upstream Version Freeze exception bug
[02:28] <LaserJock> wrecked: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046
[02:28] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Those ifneq lines under build shouldn't be tabbed in.
[02:29] <wrecked> LaserJock: thanks, I'll do that.
[02:29] <LaserJock> shesh, linda's still going
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: I thought you took my version on that?
[02:30] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: sorry, my fault. I probably forgot to switch off my auto-indent
[02:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> gaaah
[02:30] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: I've removed some commented lines as StevenK requested. -_-'
[02:31] <RAOF> wrecked: It might be a good idea to check that kvm-36 actually works with our kvm kernel module before doing anything else :)
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[02:31] <tonyyarusso> Will I need to re-upload everything after that change, or only one small file?
[02:31] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: rsync is your friend.
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> the .orig won't need to go, duh
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: Yeah, or give me svn access to that dir ;)
[02:32] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Only the .dsc, .diff.gz and .changes
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> okj
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> *ok
[02:32] <StevenK> Oh, before you upload.
[02:32] <LaserJock> well, I gotta go home
[02:32] <StevenK> Initial release Closes: #104728
[02:32] <StevenK> Should be:
[02:33] <StevenK> Initial release. (LP: #104728)
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> Ah - thought LP was treated as default
[02:33] <LaserJock> no, because then Debian would be closing all our bugs
[02:33] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> good point
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[02:36] <wrecked> RAOF: will do. thanks for direction btw. I'm sitting here at the kvm developer forum and currently inspired. :)
[02:37] <RAOF> wrecked: OOoh, cool. :)
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock, RAOF, StevenK: Files on http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ updated.
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[02:41] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: +1
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: yay!  Thanks.
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[02:42] <StevenK> Like a blink tag?
[02:42] <RAOF> StevenK: Exactly.
[02:43] <LaserJock> hmm, the copyright statement is interesting
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> very much so
[02:45] <LaserJock> argg, that .desktop isn't supposed to have hard-coded Icon paths
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> I tried to take the best portions each from the old nvu, iceape, firefox, etc., plus recommendations from folks here and in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[02:45] <LaserJock> nor is it supposed to have Application in the Categories
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> What should it be?
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> Just kompozer.png for the icon path, and only Network; ?
[02:46] <LaserJock> just kompozer  for icon and yeah
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> ok
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Does the icon handler thingy just magically look for png and other extensions and figure it out?
[02:47] <LaserJock> yep
[02:47] <kompozer> LaserJock: and Categories=Network; is enough?
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> cool
[02:48] <LaserJock> kompozer: let me look to make sure
[02:48] <LaserJock> Application was a gnome bug
[02:48] <kompozer> oh
[02:48] <LaserJock> it wasn't actually in the freedesktop.org spec
[02:48] <LaserJock> but the gnome bug is fixed now
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> heh
[02:50] <LaserJock> kompozer: you could to Network;WebDevelopment if you wanted to be more precise but just Network works too
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: I like that - you?
[02:50] <kompozer> tonyyarusso: +1
[02:50] <kompozer> LaserJock: no trailing semi-colon?
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Should there still be a trailing semicolon after WebDev
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> ?
[02:51] <LaserJock> I don't think it hurts
[02:51] <LaserJock> you can run desktop-file-validate on it to make sure
[02:52] <kompozer> blank output
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> yep
[02:52] <kompozer> the trailing semi-colon is required (according to desktop-file-validate)
[02:53] <LaserJock> k, I thought so
[02:54] <LaserJock> StevenK: so is that an ack from you for kompozer?
[02:54] <imbrandon> hardon, err heron
[02:54] <imbrandon> wow this is gonna suck
[02:54] <LaserJock> geeze
[02:54] <kompozer> imbradon: <div lang="fr"> heron, heron, petit patapon </div>
[02:55] <StevenK> LaserJock: Right.
[02:55] <imbrandon> a lang="CC" would be nice
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> changes will be up shortly
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[02:56] <kompozer> imbrandon: that's a french baby song
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[02:57] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: fixed files now up
[02:58] <mok0> g'night ppl...
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[03:00] <imbrandon> hrm i want to make a homebrew 8086/8088 or something
[03:01] <imbrandon> any pointers
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: How are we looking now?
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[03:19] <bddebian> Hheya
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> hey bddebian
[03:20] <ajmitch> good day
[03:20] <bddebian> Hi tonyyarusso, ajmitch
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: LJ was reviewing http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/, and I think basically done, and StK already gave it a +1 - would you be willing to glance until I figure out where LaJk went?
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[03:22] <bddebian> Sure, give me a minute
[03:24] <bddebian> Shit, is revu down?
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> yes
[03:24] <bddebian> grr
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> grr indeedy
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[03:26] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:26] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: dude it's still buiding
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[03:26] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Ah!  nvm me then :)
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[03:27] <bddebian> heh, I wish
[03:28] <Hobbsee> heya bddebian
[03:28] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: you're funny
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i wish
[03:31] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: although it does help to be able to ssh to fast machines.
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: yeah
[03:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you mean your laptop still isn't fast enough?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: other machines are faster.  *shrugs*
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's more the fact that it doesnt have a local mirror.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so i dont have to wait ages for things to download
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[03:33] <bddebian> Well wtf..
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: aurora's not too bad, either.
[03:34] <ajmitch> faster connectivity than what I have
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[03:39] <imbrandon> gah i need to make some more cash this month to get my home "network+mirror" back running
[03:39] <imbrandon> and get of my lazy bum and redo my website
[03:39] <ajmitch> heh
[03:40] <ajmitch> find a real job? :)
[03:40] <imbrandon> :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: were you coming to boston, btw?
[03:41] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: most likely
[03:41] <Hobbsee> awww
[03:41] <Hobbsee> pity
[03:41] <imbrandon> ?
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[03:42] <ajmitch> haha
[03:42] <imbrandon> :)
[03:42] <imbrandon> trying to get my wife into FL/OSS too
[03:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:43] <ajmitch> good luck with that
[03:43] <imbrandon> she actualy is kinda, in that she dosent use anything else but i mean contributing too
[03:43] <Hobbsee> bah.  someone has good planning
[03:44] <Hobbsee> the linux thingy on today is when half of the second year comp students have their mandatory tutes.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> when that's a group that htey're targetting
[03:44] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: argg, I don't think I have time to finish kompozer , it looks good to me
[03:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you suck.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that is all.
[03:45] <LaserJock> :p
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you suck more.
[03:45] <LaserJock> I'll be back
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hahahahahaha
[03:46] <Hobbsee> coward.
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> heh
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> Well, that's what, a + 1/2 ?
[03:46] <imbrandon> hrm anyone ever made a homebrew computer ?
[03:46] <imbrandon> seems like there is sparce info on it
[03:47] <imbrandon> only from the early 80's
[03:47] <StevenK> What do you mean homebrew?
[03:47] <imbrandon> like 8088 / z80 / 8086 breadboard comp
[03:48] <StevenK> At this point, people seem more concerned with stuffing Pentium III's into z80 boxes
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[03:48] <imbrandon> heh , i stuffed a c7 into a c64 box :)
[03:48] <StevenK> c7
[03:48] <StevenK> Gah
[03:48] <StevenK> c7's don't count. :-P
[03:48] <imbrandon> although a 6502 from a c64 or a apple 1 would be a cool homebrew too
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: how's your build coming?
[03:49] <guest22> Hi. Can someone explain why revu.tauware.de is down again?
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[03:49] <tonyyarusso> guest22: I don't think anyone knows yet.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: siretart might be doing the machine change over today
[03:49] <imbrandon> -sx ?
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: ooh, that would make sense
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: portable
[03:50] <imbrandon> how much ?
[03:50] <StevenK> "Portable" you say
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/406011461.html
[03:50] <imbrandon> c64 were pretty protable anyhow
[03:51] <StevenK> What does protable mean?
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[03:51] <tonyyarusso> Althought the link on the posting seems down :(
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64 for a pic
[03:51] <imbrandon> ahh craigs list , i love craigs list
[03:52] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: yea i rember it now
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> The keyboard snaps on as a cover over the monitor on the front of the computer, and the prop leg serves as a carrying handle.
[03:52] <StevenK> 10KGs?!
[03:52] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: I still can't get on REVU
[03:52] <imbrandon> if not more
[03:52] <StevenK> That's not so much portable.
[03:52] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: i wouldent mind buying it but thats too much of a premium for me, if it dosent sell hit me up
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Nor can anyone else.  LaserJock was just working from http://www.tonyyarusso.com/kompozer/ manually.
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: We haven't had a response yet, so you could just make an offer (use the cl link - it's my dad)
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[03:53] <imbrandon> k
[03:53] <imbrandon> i will this evening, i'm lazy and dont wanna open gmail atm heheh
[03:54] <imbrandon> but i got it bookmarked
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> lol, that is lazy
[03:54] <imbrandon> StevenK: and btw the c7 was 1.5GHZ ;)
[03:54] <StevenK> imbrandon: You want to use the SX as a desktop? :-P
[03:54] <imbrandon> hahaha well i do have a c64 2400 baud modem
[03:54] <imbrandon> i used to get on bbs's with
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[03:55] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: one floppy
[03:55] <imbrandon> there is a c64 linux distro
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: Someone's done that port?
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> sweet
[03:56] <imbrandon> LUnix
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> fun
[03:56] <imbrandon> LNG is an operationg system primarly for the good old Commodore64 home-computer. There also is a native version for the successor Commodore128. Ports to other 6502/6510 driven 8Bit Computers are possible but not yet started. LUnix started in 1993 and reached the internet in 1994. In 1997 LUnix0.1  was rewritten from scratch, the result is LNG.
[03:56] <imbrandon> http://lng.sourceforge.net/
[03:57] <bddebian> Sorry I'm only half pay attention.  I'll check it out in a bit
[03:57] <imbrandon> apple 1's were 6502 proc along with others of the time
[03:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: cruelty
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: warranted, though.
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: a short bit would be best, since we want to close up for NPFU, and this is the last one.
[03:58] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not at all
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: but i cant do interviews :P
[03:58] <ajmitch> yes you can
[03:59] <imbrandon> brb
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[04:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nope
[04:00] <Hobbsee> where would the fun in that be?
[04:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: did you get an email from laserjock asking you to? :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes
[04:00] <ajmitch> excellent....
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[04:02] <ajmitch> it's perfectly alright, I don't mind you doing the interview
[04:09] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Building now your highness
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: lol, awesome
[04:10] <StevenK> I thought tonyyarusso was short? :-P
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[04:11] <bddebian> So who can look .. oh never mind shit..
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[04:18] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you can.
[04:21] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I already did, I looked at sdlmame and it's close.  I'm temnpted to just fix it up and upload but I wanted another set of eyes for the licensing/copyright stuff
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:23] <sn9> imbrandon: http://www.ivankuten.com/system-on-chip-soc/rdc-r8610/
[04:24] <sn9> and, if you think lng is kewl, http://www.sics.se/contiki/
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[04:48] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: kompozer get uploaded?
[04:48] <ajmitch> welcome back LaserJock
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: not yet.  bddebian was also looking at it.  Still don't have two full acks.
[04:49] <bddebian> Still building
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[04:50] <tonyyarusso> lol
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[04:50] <tonyyarusso> One more quarter ack and that should do it :P
=== ajmitch should give a 1/8th ack
=== bddebian gives 1/64th
[04:51] <RAOF> bddebian: No, the next one is 1/16th.
[04:51] <RAOF> bddebian: Then 1/32nd
[04:52] <bddebian> I was jumping ahead, I'm senile ya know
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[05:04] <imbrandon> sn9: cool, thanks for the links will check them out
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[05:06] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[05:07] <ajmitch> hello
[05:07] <imbrandon> hello ajmitch tonyyarusso
[05:07] <imbrandon> err Toadstool
[05:07] <bddebian> whoa it finished
[05:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: why are you saying hello to me again?
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[05:07] <ajmitch> :)
[05:07] <imbrandon> errm cuz ummm yea
[05:07] <Toadstool> hi imbrandon !
[05:08] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: tsk, tsk, missing man page :-)
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[05:09] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: only on kompozer-config, since we're not completely sure of the scope of that yet.  It's being looked into for a future release though.  The regular kompozer binary however does have one now (recent change).
[05:09] <bddebian> :-)
[05:10] <kompozer> bddebian: the man page isn't in the binary tarball but it's in the debian dir
[05:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: typical :/
[05:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, this is the first I've heard of this
[05:11] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure SoC was pretty much useless this year
[05:11] <ajmitch> basically "let's replace the UI that's already there with something else because we don't like the current one"
[05:11] <LaserJock> I'd be somewhat surprised if Google gives us much next time
[05:11] <imbrandon> who was the mentor ?
[05:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: someone I've never heard of
[05:12] <ajmitch> Mentored by Rodrigo Pereira Braga (pereira@gmail.com)
[05:12] <LaserJock> I have no idea, I was a mentor and I didn't think the project was accepted
[05:12] <imbrandon> i thought ubuntu mentors were (core-)dev
[05:12] <imbrandon> ';s
[05:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no, any random could be a mentor this year, from the look of things
[05:12] <imbrandon> nice
[05:14] <LaserJock> any random person from any project, kinda
[05:14] <LaserJock> there were a few mentors who weren't even a part of Ubuntu
[05:14] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't think the debian/copyright file is quite big enough ;-P
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[05:14] <StevenK> bddebian: Agreed, I think tonyyarusso ran out of puff half way through. :-P
[05:15] <bddebian> hehe
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Actually kompozer wrote the man page.  I had originally planned to, but he got to it before I had a chance.
[05:15] <LaserJock> turns out the project I mentored had pretty much already been done
[05:15] <LaserJock> bddebian uploaded a package for it today
[05:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: wonderful
[05:16] <LaserJock> I found at least 4 similar projects
[05:16] <bddebian> Well it looks fine for my dumb arse.. :-)  Who's uploading?
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[05:16] <ajmitch> the thing that irritates me about this example is that SoC is meant to be getting students involved in the free software community
[05:16] <ajmitch> not just doing some coding
[05:16] <StevenK> Exactly.
[05:16] <StevenK> The whole point is to get involved, not just cut code.
[05:17] <LaserJock> well, it's whatever the organization makes it
[05:17] <LaserJock> Ubuntu really fell flat
[05:17] <LaserJock> like really really really badly
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[05:18] <LaserJock> some of the other organizations really had some great success
[05:18] <bddebian> StevenK: You gonna upload this sucka?
[05:18] <LaserJock> with some of the students becoming developers, etc.
[05:18] <ajmitch> ubuntu has had success in the past
[05:19] <ajmitch> StevenK: since you're here, authtool is a native package, I'm sure you won't mind me blindly pushing in updates for awhile, right? :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> considering that the last message to ubuntu-soc list was June22nd and I didn't hear from any other mentors or admins for the *entire* summer ...
[05:20] <StevenK> ajmitch: Bug fixes only?
[05:20] <ajmitch> of course not
[05:21] <StevenK> Then you get to ask for UVFe's
[05:21] <ajmitch> yay
[05:21] <ajmitch> I'll let you read through the diff then
[05:21] <imbrandon> yay firefox just ate all my memory
[05:22] <ajmitch> it's been known to do that
[05:22] <imbrandon> considering i have 4GB and only it and irssi/gnome term open
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: So that's a +1 from you?
[05:22] <imbrandon> thats quite a feat
[05:22] <ajmitch> StevenK: I do have a few bugfixes for it, though
[05:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's impressive, I don't usually fill 4GB that fast
[05:22] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Yep
[05:22] <bddebian> For whatever that's worth these days :-)
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Awesome.
[05:22] <ajmitch> except one day when I installed gnash & was hitting the power button a few minutes later
[05:23] <imbrandon> well its been 10 or so days since a reboot and this desktop is gutsy
[05:23] <StevenK> Ouch
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[05:23] <Toadstool> yay my brand new laptop randomly decides not to boot tribe 5 and can't play any sound, awesome
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[05:24] <bddebian> w00t, I'm with ya imbrandon :)
[05:24] <imbrandon> i'll type my recipies on it and be happy
[05:24] <bddebian> StevenK: Did you ack kompozer?
[05:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:24] <Toadstool> :)
[05:25] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: I'm sorry, all I can think of is Puss in Boots as Donkey trying that...
[05:25] <bddebian> hehe
[05:25] <StevenK> (In Shrek 3)
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: ahahaha
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, that's basically the effect I'm going for.
[05:25] <imbrandon> wow, spam is getting dumber, .....
[05:26] <imbrandon> US $ 69.95 Viagra 100mg x 10 pills buy now
[05:26] <imbrandon> http://{url9}
[05:26] <ajmitch> impressive
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[05:27] <tonyyarusso> I wish there was a tool that would mark as spam and delete all e-mail that lacked proper punctuation, capitalization, and grammar.
[05:27] <imbrandon> hahahah
[05:27] <imbrandon> i wouldent get any ( nor be able to send any )
[05:27] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: That would include just about every e-mail from my bosses :-)
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: And wouldn't that be so much nicer?  ;)
[05:27] <bddebian> Yep
[05:28] <StevenK> bddebian: Yes, I did ack it.
[05:28] <imbrandon> GSI used email liek it was an IM client , and the bad thing was we had a company jabber server /me sighs at mgmt
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> "Subject: mail processing autoreply; Body: I'm sorry, you have to not be an idiot to send mail to this address.  Please go back to elementary school and try again.  If you are an active ESL student, you may apply for an exemption here <url>."
[05:29] <LaserJock> lol
[05:29] <imbrandon> hahaha
[05:29] <StevenK> bddebian: I dun wanna push a 40Mb tarball uphill in the snow to upload.u.c
[05:29] <kompozer> that would make a neat Thunderbird extension
[05:29] <bddebian> OK, will do
[05:29] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Bwaha
[05:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you ever get a chance to look it over?
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[05:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I had a look
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[05:31] <LaserJock> I was fine with what I saw
[05:31] <ajmitch> StevenK: if he's too lazy to look, we can be too lazy to answer
[05:31] <imbrandon> i just wish i could > /dev/null any email that wasent in english ( or latin char set )
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: I think Thunderbird can already do that, actually.  Maybe.
[05:32] <imbrandon> but gmail wont filter on that it seems
[05:32] <imbrandon> gmail > thunderchicken
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[05:33] <tonyyarusso> eh, I don't have time for web interfaces for all of my e-mail addresses
[05:33] <imbrandon> all my email addresses are on one interface
[05:33] <imbrandon> one login
[05:33] <imbrandon> accessable from anywhere
[05:33] <imbrandon> even my phone ;)
[05:33] <LaserJock> yep
[05:33] <LaserJock> I moved to gmail too
[05:33] <imbrandon> You are currently using 1071 MB (37%) of your 2894 MB.
[05:34] <imbrandon> i need to clean some cruft out
[05:34] <ajmitch> is that all?
[05:34] <ajmitch> -rw------- 1 ajmitch ajmitch 2.6G 2007-08-30 15:27 /home/ajmitch/Mail/launchpad
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[05:34] <ajmitch> ubuntu-bugs ftw
[05:35] <LaserJock> You are currently using 49 MB (1%) of your 2894 MB.
[05:35] <imbrandon> thats since jan1, i pop download and tar.gz ---> dvd-r every january
[05:35] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^^
[05:35] <ajmitch> I've been meaning to split the bugs folder & convert to maildir
[05:35] <ajmitch> mutt ends up having a few locking problems otherwise
[05:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:36] <imbrandon> i've been meaning to setup mutt to send through gmail and such but been lazy
[05:36] <LaserJock> I just don't get email I don't read
[05:36] <imbrandon> that way my sent messages localy are in my sent mail folder on the webui too
[05:37] <moquist> is REVU down [again] ? :(
[05:37] <imbrandon> i wonder how slimmed down a system i can make
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> moquist: yes
[05:37] <bddebian> moquist: Yes :-(
[05:38] <imbrandon> and still have it useable
[05:38] <kkubasik> does revu need help with hosting?
[05:38] <imbrandon> no its being moved to the canonical DC thus the downtime
[05:38] <moquist> OK. I'll just post my moodle source package on my own site and point the edubuntu team to it.
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[05:39] <tonyyarusso> btw, is the REVU software a) open-source, b) available - and where?
[05:39] <moquist> imbrandon: Oh, that's good, then. Unfortunate timing for me.
[05:39] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: it's on launchpad of course
[05:39] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: yes in bzr on launchpad iirc
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[05:39] <tonyyarusso> ah, good
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[05:45] <ajmitch> hello moquist
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[05:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: where did you hear that it was being moved to the canonical DC now?
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: so were you doing the oh-so-much-fun-40mb-upload then?
[05:47] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Nope, I'm dead ;-P
[05:47] <bddebian> Yes, it's on it's way
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: lol, that's too bad.
[05:47] <LaserJock> I assumed it was going to the DC because that's where the other servers are going
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Is the gutsy-changes ML the first place I'll see it, or is there something else?
[05:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but sistpoty & siretart have it on sparky at the moment
[05:48] <ajmitch> and have a replacement sparc to put it on at uni
[05:48] <LaserJock> sure, I thought that was until it went to the DC
[05:48] <ajmitch> I don't know if that's temporary or not
[05:48] <ajmitch> but there's been no notice of it suddenly disappearing to the DC
[05:49] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: NEW packages won't hit gutsy-changes until they are accepted I don't think
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: and what does that process involve?
[05:49] <ajmitch> getting past the archive admins
[05:49] <bddebian> An archive admins approval
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> Ah.  Will they show on the ubuntu-archive ML instead then?
[05:49] <ajmitch> no
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> So more suspense eh?  :P
[05:50] <ajmitch> well, they may do if there's some special soyuz action for mailing them when a new package hits the queue
[05:50] <ajmitch> of course
[05:50] <bddebian> Yeah it will sit in the NEW queue for 3 or 4 months :)
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:50] <ajmitch>  just be extra nice for a few days
[05:51] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: it'll show up in the queue on LP
[05:52] <nixternal> hola!
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: what's the URL for that to watch the status?
[05:52] <ajmitch> uh oh
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> hey nixternal
[05:52] <ajmitch> run away!
[05:52] <nixternal> muhaha
[05:52] <nixternal> !nixternal
[05:52] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[05:52] <nixternal> and I made it official, I bought Vista Business today!!
[05:52] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
=== tonyyarusso can't decide whether to laugh or throw up at nixternal 
[05:52] <nixternal> is there even a such thing as vista business?
[05:53] <ajmitch> nixternal: congrats!
[05:53] <nixternal> nope, it is home and premium isn't it
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> And Ultimate
[05:53] <bddebian> haha, that's funny
[05:53] <nixternal> oh well, I just got caught lying
[05:53] <superm1> nixternal, if you really needed a copy, i probably get one through school
[05:53] <superm1> that i would have given you
[05:53] <ajmitch> I've got a copy of vista here
[05:53] <nixternal> superm1: $25 through CoD right now:0
[05:53] <nixternal> actually, it is Vista Business
[05:53] <nixternal> MSDNAA
[05:53] <superm1> $0 thru us
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Ultimate, Home Premium, Home Basic, Business, and Enterprise
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> So yes, there is
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[05:54] <nixternal> I figured I get it for $25, someone will pay $100+ for it
[05:54] <superm1> we have a similar program through MSDNAA, but ours we download the CDs
[05:54] <superm1> and don't pay
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> OT: does ubuntu sparc have all packages, or only server ones?
[05:54] <nixternal> I sold some poor sap my XP CDs from school at $50/ea. and they were free
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> nice
[05:55] <nixternal> I have Office 2007 Super Duper edition, legit, in a box, $250 each :)
[05:55] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: It is in NEW
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: yay, ty
[05:55] <nixternal> I get $300 off of any Mac as well
[05:55] <nixternal> although that doesn't save much :)
[05:55] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: sparc has all
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: fun stuff
[05:56] <ajmitch> only the server ones are supported, but universe & all of main should get built
[05:56] <nixternal> hrmm, so there are KDE sparq packages?
=== ajmitch isn't entirely sure how they do the support stuff for !server main
[05:56] <ajmitch> nixternal: probably
=== bddebian thinks LaserJock should send him a Sparc
[05:56] <nixternal> I did not know that..I thought it was server stuff only...cool
[05:57] <nixternal> to bad my e3500 doesn't have a video card
[05:57] <ajmitch> Builds of kdebase - 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu16
[05:57] <ajmitch> * gutsy sparc Successfully built
[05:57] <nixternal> nice
=== nixternal checks craigslist for a sparc :)
[05:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: why?
[05:58] <ajmitch> what's wrong with good old x86?
[05:58] <LaserJock> I've just got an Ultra 10
[05:58] <LaserJock> I don't think it's probably anything very fast
[05:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: Because you just got a bunch of junk didn't ya? :_)
[05:58] <LaserJock> no
=== ajmitch needs a new computer
[05:59] <imbrandon> me 3
[05:59] <LaserJock> I got a new one
[05:59] <LaserJock> it's only got a 800x480 screen though\
[05:59] <ajmitch> n800?
[05:59] <imbrandon> i got a new 30 pin sim keychain
[05:59] <LaserJock> and a 2GB hard drive
=== ajmitch has a new linux box as well, with only a 640x480 screen
[06:00] <LaserJock> it's an intel classmatePC
[06:00] <ajmitch> ah nice
[06:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock: nice
=== imbrandon wants on
[06:00] <imbrandon> e
[06:00] <ajmitch> this is a neo1973
[06:00] <LaserJock> it's got a celeron M 900MHz processor
[06:00] <imbrandon> actualy i just need to invest in a an ultra portable laptop
[06:01] <LaserJock> this CMPC is  very portable :-)
[06:01] <nixternal> damn, the classmate is almost equal to my lappy
[06:01] <nixternal> how embarrassing
[06:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: get one for me please
[06:01] <ajmitch> nixternal: and you run vista on that?
[06:01] <nixternal> Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-10-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 5d+14:10; Users: 1; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 605/941 Mio]  [Swap: 863/863 Mio]  [/: 12364/14084 Mio]  [/boot: 76/122 Mio]  [/home: 37847/41301 Mio] ; Vpenis: 53.4 cm;
[06:01] <ajmitch> impressive
[06:01] <nixternal> NOPE
[06:01] <nixternal> hrmm, that is my server
[06:01] <ajmitch> hah
[06:01] <LaserJock> I'm running XP on the classmate
[06:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's interesting
[06:01] <LaserJock> it really sucks
[06:01] <ajmitch> how well does ubuntu run on it?
[06:02] <LaserJock> there's only 256MB of ram
[06:02] <LaserJock> no pagefile
[06:02] <LaserJock> and no L2 cache
[06:02] <ajmitch> given that ubuntu really isn't that fast or slim
[06:02] <LaserJock> oh, Ubuntu runs nice
[06:02] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/I_DONT_RUN_VISTA.png
[06:02] <ajmitch> regular ubuntu?
[06:02] <LaserJock> some things I think are slow
[06:02] <jsgotangco> that's expected
[06:02] <ajmitch> not using the mobile edition?
[06:02] <jsgotangco> even if its flash
[06:02] <LaserJock> heck no
[06:02] <jsgotangco> it can run full ubuntu
[06:03] <jsgotangco> it can even do compositing
[06:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:03] <LaserJock> we're running Edubuntu on it of course
[06:03] <ajmitch> nixternal: sorry, looks more like XP than vista :)
[06:03] <nixternal> grrr
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah, we had it doing wobbly windows at UDS Sevilla
[06:03] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: that's pretty good
[06:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I remember that
[06:03] <nixternal> XP with the Oxygen theme?
[06:03] <nixternal> interesting :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I wouldn't go running evolution on it though :)
[06:03] <LaserJock> no
[06:03] <bddebian> I have 10 machines running in my house but no Sparc or PPCs anymore :'-(
[06:03] <LaserJock> 10?
[06:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: and you complain about needing more?
[06:04] <LaserJock> shesh
[06:04] <nixternal> I just through a PPC out
[06:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course
[06:04] <LaserJock> I've never had nor run a PPC
[06:04] <imbrandon> i sold mine a while back
[06:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: one for the wife & one for each of the kids as well?
[06:04] <bddebian> Yep
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> We had a Mac way back in the day (as in, pre-Windows being popular, and slightly thereafter)
[06:04] <LaserJock> brb guys, I'm switching to my real lappy
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> not anymore though
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[06:05] <jsgotangco> poor PPC
[06:05] <bddebian> I have an OldWorld PowerBook laying around but those are no fun
=== ajmitch isn't even using one of his computers
[06:05] <imbrandon> by the end of the summer i probably will have 15 computers/linux appliances running in my home
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> nice - where do you get them all?
=== ajmitch is using a box at work
[06:05] <ajmitch> though this isn't even running ubuntu
=== tonyyarusso would love to have a pile of computers, but lacks the money or excuse for such
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[06:05] <LaserJock> geeze, this screen is huge
[06:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: what is it running?
[06:06] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: debian etch
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> ah
[06:06] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Place I work.  I used to get a shitload of hardware.  Hell I've given away about 8 machines to Hurd hackers
[06:06] <LaserJock> 7" screens are a bit small
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: where do you work that uses debian?
[06:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 2.5" screens are a little small as well
[06:06] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: we run debian on the web servers, and I use this as a development box
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Sweet.  I wouldn't mind a job like that.  Decent stuff, or old obsolete throwaways?
[06:07] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Some decent, some crap.  Most of the Hurd boxes are 450Mhz-1Ghz machines
=== StevenK has eight machines at home.
[06:07] <imbrandon> hurd hackers just need a 386
[06:07] <LaserJock> wow, and a real keyboard
[06:07] <nixternal> I have 3 running, and 2 sitting, and 1 w/o a case :)
=== ajmitch hasn't counted how many obsolete, useless boxes there are at home
[06:07] <LaserJock> I'm surprise how used to the CMPC I got
[06:08] <LaserJock> I've been using it solid for the last few days
[06:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 2.5" screen with an on screen keyboard really isn't useful for irc ;)
[06:08] <imbrandon> i dont consider anything obsolete, i love to tinker with old hardware ( and new )
[06:08] <LaserJock> I only have my desktop, laptop (my wife's), and the CMPC
[06:09] <bddebian> What's a CMPC?
[06:09] <ajmitch> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:09] <ajmitch> Processor       : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l)
[06:09] <ajmitch> BogoMIPS        : 132.71
[06:09] <nixternal> classmatepc
[06:09] <ajmitch> pure speed
[06:09] <bddebian> Ahh
[06:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: heh
[06:09] <nixternal> haha
[06:10] <nixternal> 132.71 bogomips, I haven't seen anything that low since my beeper
[06:10] <ajmitch> 128MB of RAM in this beast though
[06:10] <ajmitch> Mem:        126612      98936      27676          0         24      70548
[06:10] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:      28364      98248
=== ajmitch does an ipkg upgrade
[06:12] <kompozer> bye folks, time to sleep a bit
[06:12] <bddebian> Gnight
[06:13] <kompozer> LaserJock, StevenK, bddebian, tonyyarusso, etc: thanks for this last-minute job ^^
[06:13] <sn9> nixternal: what was wrong with the ppc you threw out?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> kompozer: np :)
[06:13] <nixternal> sn9: everything
[06:13] <ajmitch> moquist: so you're not using dbconfig-common for moodle?
=== bddebian wants an RS/6000 just for "fun" :-)
[06:13] <nixternal> don't we all
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[06:13] <LaserJock> kompozer: thanks for working with us on it. It really does help to have upstreams
[06:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no, we can't put it in Main
[06:14] <imbrandon> shit i cant rember my passwd for my mipsel box
[06:14] <sn9> nixternal: then i guess it wasn't an RS/6000
[06:14] <LaserJock> but we want Moodle
[06:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: even with dbconfig-common?
[06:14] <kompozer> LaserJock: always glad to contribute  :)
=== ajmitch had thought that dbconfig-common was considered far more sane & more likely to get into main than wwwconfig-common
[06:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's gotta be in Main
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[06:15] <LaserJock> I don't feel like doing a MIR for dbconfig-common right now
[06:15] <moquist> ajmitch: So if we use neither, our chances of getting into main are even better, right? :)
[06:15] <ajmitch> moquist: depends on how well you write the maintainer scripts
[06:15] <LaserJock> after we get the bugger in I'm all for changing it
[06:16] <ajmitch> iwj may look at them & gron in horror
[06:16] <ajmitch> s/gron/groan/
[06:16] <LaserJock> but I don't think ogra was too keen on bringing them into Main
[06:16] <moquist> ajmitch: Well, yeah. But at least we're not starting from behind WRT deps.
[06:16] <ajmitch> though I suspect that he may do that anyway
[06:16] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's why I wait until pitti is around for MIRs ;-)
[06:16] <moquist> ajmitch: The mysql part is almost a direct copy of what mdz did for the mythtv package.
[06:17] <moquist> ajmitch: the postgresql part is a direct implementation of the checks pitti told me to run, followed by about three commands to create the system user (/nonexistent home, disabled login, etc.) and a postgresql DB.
[06:18] <moquist> ajmitch: All that is to say, I *hope* it's received well.
[06:18] <ajmitch> isn't moodle written in php? :)
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[06:18] <moquist> Well, there is that. :(
[06:18] <moquist> ajmitch: This package only sets Moodle up to be accessible from localhost.
[06:19] <ajmitch> moquist: how's its security record?
[06:19] <LaserJock> not great
[06:19] <LaserJock> that's why it hasn't been in Main before
[06:19] <moquist> Moodle or this package?
[06:19] <LaserJock> Moodle
=== moquist nods
[06:19] <LaserJock> but I believe the newer version is much better
[06:20] <ajmitch> I wonder whether it'd count as 3 or 5 years support for 8.04
[06:20] <LaserJock> it's gonna have to
[06:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but which?
[06:20] <LaserJock> it's one of *the* most requested education apps
[06:20] <LaserJock> oh
[06:20] <LaserJock> 3
[06:20] <ajmitch> supporting something like this for 5 years would be painful
[06:20] <LaserJock> all the desktop stuff is 3
[06:21] <ajmitch> even supporting php5 for 5 years would be a pain
[06:21] <ajmitch> yes, but it's a server app, that's not in a server seed
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[06:21] <LaserJock> yeah, well the Canonical people are pretty good at limiting what's counted for the 5 year support
[06:21] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:22] <ajmitch> heh
[06:22] <ajmitch> they need to make it clear for people, however
[06:22] <LaserJock> yeah, we asked in Edubuntu about it not long ago
[06:22] <LaserJock> because LTSP is a bit different
[06:23] <LaserJock> because it's a desktop server
[06:23] <LaserJock> but we were told that the desktop components weren't given 5 year support
[06:23] <ajmitch> I've seen a few questions on the server list about knowing which packages are supported for 5 years
[06:23] <moquist> Given that this package only enables moodle for localhost, that's really a desktop app. Or, at least, we could really argue that.
[06:23] <ajmitch> moquist: oh sure, if it's in main it automatically gets the default support
=== moquist has to run...a friend has some mead waiting to be tasted
[06:24] <ajmitch> hah
[06:24] <ajmitch> bye :)
[06:25] <moquist> :)
[06:26] <moquist> LaserJock: what is going to happen going forward? I've been assuming that because of the time pressure someone is going to snatch this from my hands at some point and finish it properly.
[06:26] <LaserJock> heh
[06:26] <LaserJock> you need more experience in Ubuntu development then
[06:26] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:26] <moquist> Or, we can all watch me continue to struggle along...
[06:26] <bddebian> hah
[06:26] <moquist> heh
[06:26] <LaserJock> well, I'll try to twist some arms to review it
[06:26] <moquist> LaserJock: that would be lovely.
[06:27] <LaserJock> and then if it works we'll put it in
[06:27] <LaserJock> and we can work on the MIR
[06:27] <moquist> LaserJock: I also need feedback on the issues I raised in my email.
[06:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good luck in getting pitti to review the MIR, I think he's away for 2 weeks
[06:27] <moquist> The first one obviously can't wait, because it's a wwwconfig reference. That's gotta be gone before main-time.
[06:27] <LaserJock> well, I might have to try iwj :/
[06:27] <moquist> who is iwj?
[06:28] <ajmitch> since he just got married & all
[06:28] <moquist> Yes, pitti is away for two weeks.
[06:28] <moquist> pitti did? good for him!
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[06:28] <LaserJock> moquist: he's one of the writers of dpkg, debian policy, and the Debian BTS
[06:28] <moquist> Oh, great. :) What's his name?
[06:28] <LaserJock> moquist: and is the other guy that does MIR reviews
[06:28] <ajmitch> moquist: "an interesting character" :)
[06:29] <ajmitch> he'll do a quite in-depth review
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[06:29] <moquist> Well, that'll be good for me as a budding packager. Hopefully it won't hamper the package getting in.
[06:30] <LaserJock> moquist: Ian Jackson
[06:30] <moquist> OK; I've heard the name. I can't picture him.
[06:30] <LaserJock> heh
[06:31] <moquist> images.google.com to the rescue...now I think I recognize him.
[06:31] <moquist> Or maybe I'm making my recognizance up.
[06:31] <ajmitch> you would have met him
=== ajmitch vaguely recalls moquist :)
[06:32] <moquist> heh
=== moquist can picture ajmitch NP
[06:32] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I shouldn't go to Boston.. :-)
[06:32] <moquist> heh
[06:33] <LaserJock> bddebian: why?
=== moquist really goes away to drink mead now
[06:33] <bddebian> Keep up the "mystery" :)
[06:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's ok, I won't be there
[06:33] <LaserJock> bddebian: no, there's a lot of mystery at UDSs
[06:33] <ajmitch> moquist: enjoy
[06:33] <LaserJock> inside jokes
=== moquist will be there; it's 1 hour down the road
[06:33] <ajmitch> top secret discussions
[06:33] <LaserJock> the real "dirt" on people ,etc.
[06:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well if you aren't going, I'm not going :_)
[06:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: your loss
[06:34] <bddebian> Actually I want to go I'm just not sure what I'd bring to the table
[06:35] <StevenK>  sparc build of gcc-snapshot 20070827-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu gutsy RELEASE
[06:35] <StevenK> 	Started 18 hours ago
[06:35] <StevenK> Poor sejong
[06:35] <ajmitch> the wisdom of many years?
[06:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: yourself of course
[06:36] <StevenK> bddebian: A self-berating attitude?
[06:36] <bddebian> Many years of f***-ups? :)
[06:36] <ajmitch> StevenK: he'll be there to cheer everyone up & motivate them
[06:36] <bddebian> Hehe
[06:36] <StevenK> Heh
[06:37] <bddebian> Maybe I should go just to "Fight the Power" of bzr.. ;-P
=== ajmitch just goes to fanboy
[06:39] <ajmitch> maybe I should go to fanboy bddebian
[06:39] <bddebian> Hah, yeah, now THAT would be funny :-)
[06:39] <ajmitch> why?
[06:39] <ajmitch> you're my hero
[06:40] <StevenK> ajmitch: bddebian is your idle?
[06:40] <bddebian> You are so full of s**t your eyes are brown :-)
[06:40] <ajmitch> StevenK: yeah, I idle a lot
[06:41] <StevenK> Oh, that's wonderful imagery.
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[06:42] <ajmitch> quite
=== ajmitch doesn't really have anything to talk about at UDS apart from MOTU rantings
[06:44] <LaserJock> what? you don't find the network auth discussions invigorating?
[06:45] <ajmitch> of course I do
[06:45] <ajmitch> but it doesn't mean I can contribute at all :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> well, I'm just there to look beautiful ;-)
[06:45] <ajmitch> and you do it so well
[06:47] <LaserJock> uhhh, yeah ....
[06:47] <ajmitch> and you also do a lot of edubuntu stuff, obviously
[06:48] <LaserJock> I wish it was more obvious
[06:48] <LaserJock> I only got one spec kinda done
[06:48] <ajmitch> so you have hordes of screaming fans?
[06:48] <LaserJock> lol
[06:48] <LaserJock> can't keep them away from me
[06:49] <ajmitch> man, I've got to do what you do :)
[06:49] <ajmitch> I can have hordes screaming at me
[06:50] <ajmitch> but they tend not to be fans
[06:50] <LaserJock> heh
[06:51] <bddebian> See, I don't do anything useful so I don't have to worry about either.  Except maybe Toadstool hunting me down :-)
[06:52] <ajmitch> oh I don't do anything useful
[06:54] <bddebian> Anyway I suppose I should call it a night. Gnight folks
[06:54] <Toadstool> gnight bddebian :)
[06:54] <ajmitch> too late
[06:54] <Toadstool> oops, too late
[06:55] <Toadstool> I am trying to figure out why my laptop's hw clock can only be read once, no fun at all :/
[06:56] <ajmitch> that's painful
[06:56] <ajmitch> what sort of laptop?
[06:56] <Toadstool> hp tx1215nr
[06:56] <Toadstool> don't buy this crap
[06:58] <Toadstool> my previous laptop stopped booting at all and this what I got from BestBuy as a replacement just great
[06:58] <sn9> what was that one?
[06:59] <Toadstool> another hp, dv2000-ish but at least feisty worked well on it
[07:00] <sn9> yeah, those were less crappy crap
[07:02] <sn9> bestbuy + hp = disappointment, guaranteed
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[07:51] <RAOF> Ok, who killed gnome-volume-manager :(
[07:51] <StevenK> Kenny's revenge? :-P
[07:53] <RAOF> :P
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[07:56] <RAOF> In more working news, Gnome Phone Manager just works.
[07:56] <StevenK> Gnome has a phone manager?
[07:56] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:56] <RAOF> Called, unimaginatively enough, gnome phone manager.
[07:57] <StevenK> What does it do?
[07:57] <StevenK> If you say manage phones, I will belt you. :-P
[07:57] <RAOF> It seems to allow you to send & recieve SMSs from the phone.
[07:57] <StevenK> Neat!
[07:57] <RAOF> I'm not sure if it does anything else :)
[07:57] <RAOF> But it works with bluetooth!
[07:58] <ajmitch> hello RAOF
[07:58] <RAOF> hello ajmitch
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[07:59] <RAOF> Did you know that circles are naturaly paramatised by points in projective 3-space?
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[08:00] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I still don't.  What????
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[08:01] <ajmitch> RAOF: yes, why is that surprising? :)
[08:01] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Rather than thinking of them as circles, you should be thinking of them as lines through the origin of R^4.  It's obvious :P
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[08:02] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: oh...um, sure
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[08:30] <elmargol> I think I'm to stupid to use PPA :(
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> I'm just too impatient - need to wait until it's not just for beta testers anymore.
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[08:39] <jml> RAOF: that's crazy devil-talk
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[09:33] <coNP> Hey MOTUs et. al!
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hiya coNP
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[09:33] <coNP> Hey Hobbsee.
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[09:35] <\sh> moins all
[09:36] <coNP> Moin \sh
[09:36] <\sh> anyone up to upload some ftbfs fixes?
[09:36] <coNP> \sh sure
[09:36] <\sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aprsd/+bug/135762
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135762 in aprsd "[FTBFS]  aprsd because of old fashioned linux headers" [Undecided,New] 
[09:36] <\sh> coNP: now with LP autoclose feature in changelog
[09:36] <\sh> ;)
[09:37] <coNP> Am I supposed to forward "REVU: ... is in NEW" mails to ubuntu-motu@l.u.c ?
[09:37] <coNP> Oh, REVU is gone again?
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[09:44] <Hobbsee> coNP: we usually tend to, just for people to do stats, if they so wish
[09:44] <Hobbsee> coNP: it is.  or should be.
[09:44] <Hobbsee> here, that is
[09:44] <coNP> I guess it is also nice if you have reviewed a package and you can see two weeks later that it finally got approved...
[09:47] <coNP> \sh: uploaded. Thanks.
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[09:50] <\sh> coNP, don't feel like that :)
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[09:53] <coNP> Today without REVU. Does this mean that "in effect" new package freeze happened yesterday?
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[09:59] <\sh> coNP, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bbkeys/+bug/135768 thx :)
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135768 in bbkeys "[FTBFS]  bbkeys because of missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New] 
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[10:01] <coNP> dget, patch, pbuilder cycle started...
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[10:09] <norsetto> hiyall
[10:09] <coNP> Hey norsetto
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[10:09] <\sh> oh wow...I created  too many RPM spec files in the last time....adjusting back to makefile style ,-)
[10:10] <\sh> its $(VAR) and not %{VAR} *lol* how funny
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU is back up on a new box at the same url. | Gutsy new package freeze is 30 August
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[07:02] (norsetto/#ubuntu-motu) g'bye all
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[07:43] <asisak> evand: congrats! Welcome aboard! :)
[07:44] <evand> thanks!
[07:45] <ScottK> asisak: imageinfo has been updated.  You might want to advocate/upload as someone else has acked it.
[07:46] <asisak> Yeah. I'll check it. Thanks ScottK
[07:46] <ScottK> No problem.  It should be good, I just don't have time to test it properly.
[07:48] <asisak> BTW dholbach has left.
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[07:52] <fernando> bddebian, with dh_makeshlibs it don't work (or more possible, my conf is wrong)
[07:53] <asisak> ScottK: may I upload it? I guess it missed the new package upload freeze.
[07:53] <asisak> Or however it is called.
[07:53] <ScottK> asisak: My opinion, and I'm not sure, is that as long as it's 30 Aug somewhere, it's OK.
[07:53] <asisak> The wiki page says "the day before". But I am okay with it
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[07:56] <bddebian> fernando: You created a install/libfoo:: section and added dh_makeshlibs?
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[07:57] <fernando> bddebian, binary-install/libgtk-vnc-1.0-0::
[07:58] <asisak> bddebian: do you think I can upload a package today?
[07:58] <asisak> I mean a new one. Even if it / we missed the strict deadline.
[07:59] <bddebian> asisak: Shoot it up and see if it gets accepted :-)
[07:59] <bddebian> It's only 2:00pm on Aug 30 here :-)
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[07:59] <fernando> hi asisak
[07:59] <asisak> hey fernando
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[08:01] <bddebian> fernando: What's the error message?
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[08:01] <fernando> fernando@getec-supn2-02:~/pacotes/ubuntu/gtk-vnc/gtk-vnc-0.1.0$ linda -i ../*.deb
[08:01] <fernando> W: libgtk-vnc-1.0-0; The library libgtk-vnc is not in a shlibs file.
[08:01] <fernando>  The library shown above is not listed in a shlibs file. This means
[08:01] <fernando>  that packages that depend on this one won't get ${shlibs:Depends}
[08:01] <fernando>  correctly.
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[08:05] <mayeco> when we have a kde4 project in launchpad?
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[08:07] <bddebian> fernando: Hmm, you may have to add some of the CDBS magic vars.  I'm not real familiar with using CDBS with dh_makeshlibs
[08:07] <bddebian> DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libfoo := -V"libfoo (>= 0.1.2-3)" and such ?
[08:07] <fernando> bddebian, DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 := -V 'libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 $(shlibver)'
[08:08] <asisak> Hmm... does this make any sense?
[08:08] <bddebian> Sounds good.. :-)
[08:08] <bddebian> asisak: What?
[08:08] <fernando> but don't work
[08:08] <bddebian> fruck
[08:08] <asisak> Why do you need to state explicitly the version?
[08:08] <bddebian> You don't that is for an explicit version dependency I think
[08:09] <bddebian> It was just an example from a website
[08:11] <asisak> That is to specify the exact version IIRC
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[08:20] <asisak> fernando: did you solve the problem?
[08:20] <nedko> should jack apps be packaged by ppl here, or i should ask ubuntustudio ppl?
[08:20] <fernando> asisak, no. it work only with a libgtk-vnc-1.0-0.shlibs file
[08:21] <asisak> That is very good.
[08:21] <asisak> I think at least :)
[08:21] <asisak> let me check...
[08:22] <bddebian> fernando: You got it to work with a static .shlibs file?
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[08:23] <asisak> is avant-window-navigator new?
[08:23] <bddebian> I believe it was
[08:23] <fernando> bddebian, yeah
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[08:29] <fernando> bddebian, the version on revu is using .shlibs file
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[08:29] <sistpoty> evand: welcome!
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[08:29] <LaserJock> are we at Frozen yet?
[08:29] <sistpoty> evand: around? just want to send a welcome message to ubuntu-devel, maybe you'd like to proofread? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35691/
[08:29] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[08:30] <sistpoty> LaserJock: not too sure... we're definitely frozen tomorrow afternoon, as then revu will probably be down (because we most probably need sparky's hdd)
[08:30] <evand> sistpoty: looks great, thanks
[08:30] <sistpoty> evand: ok, *sending*
[08:30] <LaserJock> well, we were supposed to be frozen 00:00UTC on the 30th
[08:31] <LaserJock> but we got 3 packages uploaded after that :-)
[08:31] <asisak> Only 18 horus ago...
[08:31] <asisak> LaserJock: are you an archive admin? Or did you check the NEW queue?
[08:31] <LaserJock> no, I'm not an archive admin
[08:32] <bddebian> fernando: Isn't that the one that blew up on the linda/lintian check or did you fix that?
[08:32] <LaserJock> asisak: but I don't know that the last ones you uploaded are going to make it
[08:32] <sistpoty> LaserJock: hm... 00:00 is always a bad time... 23.59 or 00:01 would leave no issue on interpretation ;)
[08:33] <LaserJock> heh
[08:33] <LaserJock> it says on the schedule wiki that you should have all work done *before* the deadline
[08:33] <asisak> I guess 0:00 and 24:00 are used.
[08:33] <LaserJock> the day before
[08:33] <asisak> (At least in Hungary)
[08:34] <LaserJock> so I would assume 0:00 meant on minute before 00:01
[08:35] <sistpoty> I guess a few hours sooner or later don't make much of a difference
[08:35] <LaserJock> well, it will
[08:35] <LaserJock> unless the archive admins know
[08:35] <ScottK> Without having looked recently, I'd have thought that if the deadline was 30 Aug, that would mean 30 Aug was the day it had to be done by, not before.
[08:35] <LaserJock> we had big problems with feisty that way
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[08:35] <LaserJock> ScottK: me too, but the wiki says different :(
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[08:36] <sistpoty> LaserJock: right
[08:36] <ScottK> Right, so minus points on the wiki for being counter-intuitive.
[08:36] <asisak> I guess we should adopt a policy that cannot be misunderstood this (= the dangerous) way.
[08:36] <LaserJock> the schedule says 00:00 and work should be done the day before the deadline
[08:37] <LaserJock> well, having a policy in the first place and letting people know would be the first step
[08:37] <sistpoty> anyway, unless the deadline is moved for a day, and another day, and so on, it might be plausible to talk to archive admins to have the late uploads accepted
[08:37] <asisak> Yes. But this can and is (and will always be) misunderstood
[08:37] <LaserJock> nobody sent out an email or anything
[08:37] <asisak> If we would say 29.
[08:37] <asisak> then you have one more time (worst case)
[08:37] <fernando> bddebian, is not a linda error? 'Check LibraryCheck failed. Exception IndexError thrown (list index out of range).'
[08:38] <sistpoty> LaserJock: hm... at least TheMuso sent a reminder last Sunday ;)
[08:38] <sistpoty> maybe we should send an NPF now mail out right now?
[08:39] <LaserJock> yes
[08:39] <LaserJock> that's what I did for Feisty
[08:39] <ScottK> That would put a hard stake on when to cut things off.
[08:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: since you have practice, mind doing it again ;)
[08:39] <sistpoty> ?
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[08:42] <LaserJock> sistpoty: no problemo
[08:42] <sistpoty> thx LaserJock
[08:44] <LaserJock> ok, so do we want to declare NPFU? Riddell seems to think "end-of-day" is ok too
[08:44] <sistpoty> sorry, phone atm
[08:44] <bddebian> fernando: Yeah, that's what I was getting.  Did you fix that?
[08:45] <fernando> bddebian, i don't know how to fix this. you do?
[08:45] <asisak> There are 3 or 4 packages on REVU that can be handled till the end-of-day.
[08:46] <asisak> It might be a reason to extend deadline (since we have uploaded some packages anyway till 0:00 UTC today)
[08:46] <LaserJock> ok, that's roughly 4 hours
[08:46] <LaserJock> I'll send out the email then
[08:46] <bddebian> fernando: It only started when you added the .shlibs file afair.  When I take the .shlibs file out I don't get that
[08:46] <asisak> @now London
[08:46] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: August 30 2007, 19:46:46 - Next meeting: Community Council in 3 days
[08:46] <LaserJock> no, more like 5 hours
[08:46] <asisak> In fact six.
[08:46] <LaserJock> 5.5 ;-)
[08:47] <asisak> They also have +1 now :)
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[08:47] <asisak> 5.25
[08:47] <asisak> :)
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[08:58] <LaserJock> ScottK: co-conspirator for what?
[08:59] <ScottK> To do a blanket motu-uvf waiver.
[08:59] <LaserJock> for?
[08:59] <ScottK> The packages in NEW.
[09:00] <nedko> should jack apps be packaged by ppl here, or i should ask ubuntustudio ppl?
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[09:01] <bddebian> nedko: What is your question/concern?
[09:02] <nedko> some jack apps that i created
[09:02] <mohammad> Hello ScottK. Today is the last day for new packages, but the source and the binary of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ttf-sil-scheherazade are not available yet. Is that fine?
[09:02] <nedko> i'm looking for ubuntu packager
[09:02] <ScottK> mohammad: We are just discussing that.
[09:02] <bddebian> nedko: You can file a [needs packaging]  bug request on launchpad
[09:02] <nedko> iirc i talked one with TheMuso
[09:02] <nedko> ah
[09:03] <nedko> where is that?
[09:03] <bddebian>  http://launchpad.net
[09:03] <ScottK> Technically not, but I'm going to prepare a waiver request for all the packages still in NEW (including that).
[09:03] <nedko> bddebian: thanks
[09:03] <mohammad> ScottK thanks
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[09:08] <ScottK> zul: You around?
[09:09] <zul> not really am at work and kind of on my deathbed
[09:12] <LaserJock> for goodness sakes
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[09:15] <YokoZar_> What time does new package freeze end?
[09:15] <YokoZar_> Err start
[09:15] <YokoZar_> I have a package to submit still
[09:15] <LaserJock> hah
[09:15] <LaserJock> good question
[09:16] <YokoZar_> I guess I'll just work efficiently and hope for the best, heh
[09:17] <ScottK> zul: If you have enough attention/energy, I am preparing a blanket motu-uvf waiver for packages still in NEW.  I'm looking for an ack.  You appear to be the only one awak.
[09:17] <ScottK> If not, I'll wait.
[09:17] <zul> ScottK: if you send a list to the motu-uvf i can look at it when i have more energy
[09:18] <ScottK> OK
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[09:44] <bddebian> Where's the best page for UDS details?
[09:44] <bddebian> YokoZar_: You can pretty much forget Gutsy if you haven't even submitted it yet
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[09:46] <eddys> hello
[09:46] <eddys> enyone wake+
[09:46] <bddebian> Depends on your definition
[09:46] <eddys> hehe
[09:46] <eddys> thats true.
[09:47] <eddys> well trying to get some help... but every one is so bussy.
[09:47] <eddys> just a small problem.
[09:48] <nixternal> zzzZZzzzzzZZzZZZ
[09:48] <eddys> just refer me how to install a intel graficcard?
[09:48] <eddys> hehe
[09:48] <nixternal> eddys: #ubuntu would be your best bet for that answer
[09:48] <eddys> google is not my friend today
[09:48] <asisak> there is a nice debate on -devel
[09:48] <asisak> no one tends to listen here...
[09:48] <eddys> yeah.
[09:48] <zul> *sigh*
[09:48] <nixternal> we are all free software junkies and will only tell you how to break your computer :)
[09:48] <eddys> but all are spamming there.
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[09:49] <eddys> heeh
[09:49] <eddys> nixternal ;)
[09:49] <nixternal> jeesh, and the first thing I see is !automatix
[09:50] <eddys> well freebsd is the shit imo but need to fix this to my girlfriend ;)
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[09:55] <bddebian> eddys: Well first you have to take the cover off.
[09:56] <ScottK> eddys: Are you adding a card to an existing Ubuntu installation or installing the card and then Ubuntu?
[09:56] <LaserJock> hmm, why is it that it seems like I'm always the one that starts these things :(
[09:56] <_MMA_> :D
[09:56] <joejaxx> LaserJock: you can pass it to me :D
[09:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, troublemaker! :_)
[09:56] <deadwill> hey LaserJock
[09:57] <joejaxx> bddebian: lol
[09:58] <bddebian> Damn there are so many nicks I don't even recognize anymore.. :'-(
[09:58] <deadwill> bddebian, :)
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[10:00] <LaserJock> all I wanted to do was write the stinking "Freeze is here" email :(
[10:01] <_MMA_> lol
[10:01] <sistpoty> sorry, LaserJock, but good job in the end, as this really needs discussing imo
[10:01] <LaserJock> well yeah
[10:01] <LaserJock> I thought everybody was on the same page
[10:01] <LaserJock> I just wanted to clarify the exact time
[10:02] <asisak> I think it is very good that you brought up this clarify issue
[10:02] <joejaxx> why not have a BoF about it :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> blah
[10:04] <snikker> why if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder of a source code) start with a block comment (#), the templates file in the packaged version (build with "debuild -uc -us") is replaced with a blank line?
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[10:05] <asisak> Hey dholbach
[10:05] <dholbach> hi asisak
[10:05] <asisak> You seem to have assigned me an already-uploaded package :)
[10:05] <bddebian> dholbach: !!
[10:05] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[10:05] <dholbach> asisak: oh, must have missed that
[10:05] <dholbach> hey bddebian, hey sistpoty
[10:06] <asisak> dholbach: np :)
[10:06] <asisak> Feel free to assign me (already uploaded) packages again :)
[10:06] <dholbach> hehe
[10:07] <LaserJock> heh, Prince Adam returns
[10:09] <asisak> LaserJock: who is Prince Adam?
[10:10] <LaserJock> dholbach:
[10:10] <snikker> no ones?
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[10:10] <_MMA_> *who's
[10:11] <bddebian> hehe
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[10:11] <bddebian> I'm just Beastman
[10:11] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hehe
[10:12] <bddebian> How come no one assigns me anything? :'-(
[10:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: you could do that behind motu interview for me ;)
[10:13] <pygi> bddebian, you want to be assigned? I'll be glad to assign things to you :)
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[10:13] <bddebian> sistpoty: I already did one and sound enough like an idiot :-)
[10:13] <sistpoty> bddebian: you could pretend that you were me ;)
[10:14] <dholbach> sistpoty: DO IT! :)
[10:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: do what?
[10:14] <CharlesEdwardPax> I've been from #ubuntu-devel to #launchpad to her; I hope I'm in the right place for this. I have a handy little application in Python using libglade called Gladex (http://www.openphysics.org/~gladex/), which is hosted in Launchpad bzr. I hacked together a Makefile that will output a binary package when the user types "make package"; this is located in the bzr repository. This is fine for personal use and distribution to 
[10:14] <CharlesEdwardPax> The problem I'm having is making a source package that won't make PPA's automated build system puke. All the tutorials and documentation I've found are more complex than I would hope for.
[10:14] <CharlesEdwardPax> Does anyone have an example or can point me to some good information on how I need to structure the code in the bzr repository and what files must be included in the bzr repository?
[10:15] <dholbach> sistpoty: do the interview yourself :)
[10:15] <sistpoty> dholbach: hehe, actually I'm just doing it ;)
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[10:16] <dholbach> rock and roll
[10:16] <asisak> Hmm... I missed my interview as well :)
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[10:17] <mohammad> ScottK: hello, are you here?
[10:17] <ScottK> Yes
[10:19] <mohammad> regarding the licensing issues of the translations, if we change our source to http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16955 which says "Not copyrighted in the United States. If you live elsewhere check the laws of your country before downloading this ebook", then is it fine for multiverse?
[10:20] <CharlesEdwardPax> So can anyone help?
[10:20] <dholbach> sistpoty: I'll add a note about evand to UbuntuWeeklyNews
[10:20] <asisak> dholbach: I guess superm1 has not been mentioned
[10:20] <dholbach> sistpoty: we should make a habit of that and always plug the MOTU site in there :)
[10:20] <sistpoty> dholbach: great, thanks!
[10:20] <dholbach> asisak: I did
[10:20] <asisak> Oh, I am sorry ...
[10:20] <sistpoty> dholbach: definitely... if only i had more time :(
[10:20] <dholbach> oh, somebody added him already
[10:20] <mohammad> ScottK ^
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[10:21] <asisak> I thought it was only /me who got included in the last UWN
[10:21] <ScottK> mohammad: We are past new package freeze for Gutsy now anyway.  I'd suggest you focus on getting Zekr in Debian for the moment.
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[10:22] <ScottK> mohammad: The timing of a lot of stuff was unfortunate this time around.  I'm glad we got Zekr in as I know it's an important package to a lot of people.
[10:22] <snikker> why if a "filename.templates" in (in the po folder of a source code) start with a block comment (#), the templates file in the packaged version (build with "debuild -uc -us") is replaced with a blank line?
[10:22] <ScottK> snikker: Why do you care?
[10:23] <CharlesEdwardPax> When someone needs help with packaging what IRC channel should they use?
[10:23] <eddys> hehe well i solved it pretty nice
[10:23] <eddys> ;)
[10:23] <joejaxx> CharlesEdwardPax: this one
[10:23] <joejaxx> CharlesEdwardPax: people are probably just busy at the moment
[10:23] <bddebian> CharlesEdwardPax: Here but I despise bzr so I can't help you, sorry
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[10:25] <snikker> ScottK: because if i templates start with 2 blank lines (one of this is introduced by package system in dapper), the package don't work...
[10:25] <snikker> *if a template
[10:25] <mohammad> ScottK: After freezing you will not import any new packages from Debian. Will you? (just I am not sure about the regulations)
[10:25] <bddebian> mohammad: New versions from Debian stopped at UVF a couple of weeks ago
[10:26] <bddebian> Without a UVFe anyway
[10:26] <ScottK> mohammad: No, generally we don't.
[10:26] <ossurayynot> ScottK, Just started reading e-mail here.  I don't remember what the exact timestamp of the kompozer upload was, but it was labelled as the last one before our intended NPFU time.  Do I need to file a UVFe form for it, or is it covered by your blanket filing?
[10:26] <ScottK> mohammad: I suspect that the gutenburg one is OK, but am not certain.
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[10:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: You still aboot?
[10:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: kinda, what's up?
[10:29] <ScottK> tonyyarusso or ossurayynot: It was filed after according to LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[10:29] <ScottK> Please file a UVFe with the bits that are applicable.  I think kompozer is an important one to get it.
[10:30] <mohammad> ScottK: You helped a lot on my packages. Thank you and see you later
[10:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Can I pm you for just a sec?
[10:31] <ScottK> You're welcom mohammad.  Thank you for your contributions.
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[10:31] <ScottK> According to my calculations, boswars was the last source pakcage uploaded before the real freeze.  Anyone feel differently?
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[10:32] <LaserJock> bddebian: just do it!
[10:34] <huats> I'd like to try to use ppa... does anybody can help me with that ?
[10:34] <ScottK> huats: #launchpad
[10:35] <huats> ScottK: thanks
[10:35] <ossurayynot> ScottK, :(  So I should fill out the form then?
[10:35] <ScottK> ossurayynot: Yes.  DEFINITELY.
[10:35] <ScottK> Just the bits that apply.  Explain why Ubuntu wants the package.  Don't whine.
[10:35] <ossurayynot> ScottK, All right, will do.  (The discussion in this channel was that it would be covered, but last - sigh)
[10:35] <ossurayynot> of course
[10:35] <ossurayynot> :P
[10:36] <ScottK> Well if someone wants to argue with me on when it was uploaded, I'm open to suggestions.
[10:36] <ScottK> We definitely, I think, want it in, but if I take one post-freeze package, I think I have to take them all and I'm not prepared to do that.
[10:37] <ossurayynot> Good point.
[10:37] <ossurayynot> !uvfe
[10:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uvfe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <ossurayynot> bah
[10:38] <ossurayynot> ScottK, do I need to attach/link the source package in this case, or can I just say it's on the new queue?
[10:39] <ScottK> Just say it's in NEW
[10:39] <ossurayynot> ok
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[10:43] <ajmitch> morning
[10:43] <asisak> Morning, ajmitch
[10:44] <ScottK> Please have a look at Bug #136207 and let me know if I missed any packages uploaded before the freeze?
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136207
[10:45] <ScottK> Nevermind.  There are more.
[10:45] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:46] <asisak> ScottK: both qtpfsgui and scolily. I just delayed the "NEW" mails sent since I was not sure if I should forward them to ubuntu-motu
[10:46] <ScottK> asisak: When were they uploaded?
[10:47] <ScottK> qtpfsgui I have now.
[10:47] <asisak> let me check
[10:47] <ScottK> scolily too.
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[10:47] <ScottK> asisak: It's OK.  I found them.
[10:47] <asisak> Before yesterday. For sure
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[10:48] <asisak> Cool, thanks ScottK for the list
[10:49] <ScottK> Please have a look at Bug #136207 AGAIN and let me know if I missed any packages uploaded before the freeze?
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136207
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[10:50] <LaserJock> ScottK: there's still 4 hrs
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[10:50] <LaserJock> I'd say anything that's in NEW now should go
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[10:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: when has been decreed the official time for the freeze?
[10:51] <ScottK> LaserJock: My plan is to blanket approve everything that was uploaded prior to the pedantic version of the deadline and then one by one approve the stuff uploaded after.
[10:51] <ossurayynot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136210
[10:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136210 in ubuntu "UVFe request: kompozer" [Undecided,New] 
[10:51] <LaserJock> ScottK: sounds reasonable
[10:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heh, you missed out
[10:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: we've been spending the day figuring that out
[10:52] <bddebian> We could always just upload everything on REVU and let the admins sort them out..
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[10:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so I see
[10:52] <ossurayynot> ScottK, Does that all look ship-shape?
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[10:53] <ScottK> ossurayynot: Looks good to me, but I'm not going to ack it until after the mass filed one goes in.
[10:53] <ossurayynot> ScottK, Sure.  Just making sure the details are all there right.
[10:54] <ScottK> zul or soren: If one of you would please ack/confirm Bug #136207, I'd appreciate it.
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136207
[10:55] <soren> ScottK: done
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[10:56] <ScottK> soren: Thanks.
[10:57] <ScottK> ossurayynot: Acked by me.
[10:57] <ossurayynot> ScottK, Awesome.  ty
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[11:02] <deadwill> any news on bug #124775 ?
[11:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124775 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "No kernel modules for the 2.6.22 kernel" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124775
[11:03] <ossurayynot> ScottK, I take it the goal is to have a better-defined policy and understanding between MOTU and Archive for next time eh?
[11:03] <ScottK> Yes
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[11:03] <ScottK> deadwill: It's filed against an utterly bizarre package
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[11:04] <deadwill> o_O
[11:05] <asisak> We might file a bug to sync wnpp from debian :)
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[11:06] <asisak> Just to keep the ratio of "utterly bizarre pacakages" high enough
[11:06] <ajmitch> ScottK: he fits in well around here
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=== bddebian has never "fit in" :)
[11:07] <ossurayynot> I heard someone mention wnpp the other day - what is it?
[11:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah, you're crazy enough
[11:07] <bddebian> heh
[11:07] <ajmitch> ossurayynot: a debian pseudo-bug, like how we file 'needs-packaging'
[11:07] <asisak> ossurayynot: it is a pseudo package you can file bugs against
[11:07] <ossurayynot> ajmitch, aaah
[11:07] <ajmitch> s/bug/package/
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[11:08] <ajmitch> it's a convenient way of getting them all in the same place :)
[11:08] <ossurayynot> Okay, that would be an amusing bug.
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[11:09] <deadwill> bye all
[11:09] <deadwill> o/
[11:09] <ScottK> Bye
[11:09] <asisak> bye deadwill
[11:09] <bddebian> Later deadwill
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[11:09] <gnomefreak> btw what arch is lpia
[11:09] <ajmitch> x86
[11:09] <ossurayynot> dunno, but it sure is taking up a lot of the build server's time lately
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[11:10] <ajmitch> Low Power Intel Architecture
[11:10] <gnomefreak> than wtf did i work on this for 3 days :(
[11:10] <ossurayynot> is that for embedded stuff?
[11:10] <ajmitch> for ubuntu mobile
[11:10] <ossurayynot> k
[11:10] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:10] <gnomefreak> well its fixed
[11:10] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: hard to say, since we don't know what you're doing
[11:11] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: mozilla apps were FTBFS on that arch
[11:11] <gnomefreak> i just fixed iceape to build on it
[11:11] <gnomefreak> just kind of wondered why
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[11:12] <ossurayynot> What's FTBFS - Failed to build ? ?
[11:12] <asisak> from source I guess
[11:12] <bddebian> Failed To Build From Source
[11:12] <gnomefreak> yes from source] 
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[11:14] <gnomefreak> binary
[11:14] <ossurayynot> wouldn't that be already built then?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ossurayynot: flash? we dont get source
[11:15] <ossurayynot> gnomefreak, good point
[11:15] <gnomefreak> script builds it agaisnt normal tarball
[11:15] <gnomefreak> i assume binary but could be wrong
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[11:17] <asisak> Archive admins seems to like noble revenge. Xgrep and mustang is already in gutsy...
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[11:20] <ScottK> asisak: Are you sure?
[11:20] <asisak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/00736{6,8}.html
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[11:21] <ScottK> asisak: That means it was uploaded, not that it got through NEW.
[11:23] <ajmitch> ScottK: no, afaik packages only show on -changes after NEW processing
[11:23] <ajmitch> and mustang isn't in the queue anymore
[11:23] <soren> I took the liberty of clarifying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewPackagesFreezeUniverse
[11:23] <gnomefreak> once it lands in new it hits changes
[11:23] <soren> ajmitch: Correct.
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[11:23] <ossurayynot> soren, ACCEPTed ?
[11:23] <ScottK> Hmmm
[11:24] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mustang <-- not on here yet though :)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> i had iceape in changes spent 3 weeks in NEW
[11:24] <ScottK> If mustang was accepted, then LP doesn't know about it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=mustang
[11:24] <asisak> ajmitch: c-r
[11:24] <soren> ossurayynot: Yes. It means it gets accepted from the NEW queue and gets built.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> easy way to find out look in NEW
[11:24] <ossurayynot> soren, I meant did you mean to not capitalize the last two letters?
[11:25] <soren> ossurayynot: Yes.
[11:25] <ossurayynot> ok
[11:25] <soren> ossurayynot: It's the common way to denote that event.
[11:25] <ossurayynot> soren, ah, good to know
[11:25] <ScottK> Actually mustang was in NEW when I wrote the bug.  It's not now.
[11:25] <ajmitch> asisak: same thing :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[11:26] <gnomefreak> mustang isnt in new
[11:26] <ScottK> New also had ~49 items and now has 25 (most of the missing ones were bin NEW).
[11:26] <asisak> ajmitch: same as what? :)
[11:26] <ScottK> It was.
[11:26] <ossurayynot> Wow, the NEW queue has dropped from 62 to 25 since last night
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[11:26] <gnomefreak> ah it was accepted
[11:26] <ScottK> Someone is processing the NEW stuff right now.
[11:26] <gnomefreak> yeah they were talking about it earlier today
[11:26] <ossurayynot> Is there anyone else available ATM with the authority to ack UVFes?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> iirc archive admins can only do that
[11:27] <soren> ossurayynot: Yes.
[11:27] <soren> ossurayynot: Which one?
[11:27] <ossurayynot> soren, could you glance at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136210
[11:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136210 in kompozer "UVFe request: kompozer" [Undecided,New] 
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[11:27] <gnomefreak> ossurayynot: that is you
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[11:28] <ossurayynot> gnomefreak, yeah
[11:28] <ScottK> soren: It's an important package for Desktop to have a wysiwg (sort of) HTML editor.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> that is first ever build for ubuntu right?
[11:28] <ossurayynot> btw, RE mustang, I have an e-mail "87  	Ubuntu Installer		Accepted mustang 3.0-0ubuntu1 (source)	30 Aug 2007"
[11:28] <ScottK> Yeah.  Just accepted.
[11:28] <soren> ossurayynot, ScottK: Oh, just did that one.
[11:28] <ossurayynot> gnomefreak, First in Ubuntu anyway.  getdeb has a build of the previous version.
[11:29] <soren> ossurayynot, ScottK: ..by e-mail, so there's a couple of minutes' delay.
[11:29] <asisak> ossurayynot: yeah I also got that. Therefore I started this whole issue :)
[11:29] <ossurayynot> soren, ah, wonderful
[11:29] <gnomefreak> first one in archive though
[11:29] <ossurayynot> yes
[11:29] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:29] <kompozer> see ya bddebian
[11:29] <ScottK> See ya bddebian.
[11:30] <gnomefreak> whats with the different icons (or looks like paper on icons in query?
[11:30] <LaserJock> soren: so what's up with not getting ebox in?
[11:30] <LaserJock> soren: you sure you can't get it?
[11:30] <soren> LaserJock: I'm an idiot.
[11:30] <ossurayynot> gnomefreak, binary vs source I think ?
[11:30] <soren> LaserJock: Quite.
[11:30] <LaserJock> soren: how much more time do you need?
[11:30] <ajmitch> soren: that's a bit harsh
[11:31] <ajmitch> what was the problem with it?
[11:31] <LaserJock> I wanted to reply to your blog and forgot
[11:31] <LaserJock> I think you should push for it
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ossurayynot: looks like it
[11:31] <soren> Well, there's quite a bit of work to be done, and a lot of testing and we're past featurefreeze.
[11:31] <LaserJock> so it needs a FF exception, no biggie :-)
[11:31] <ScottK> As long as it's just in Universe, no one cares about that ;-)
[11:32] <LaserJock> I would think it would make a good exception candidate
[11:32] <ossurayynot> So does anything else need to be done once the UVFe has two acks, or do we just sit back and wait for archive to glance at it?
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[11:33] <ScottK> ossurayynot: The later.
[11:33] <soren> LaserJock: I'm not sure. FF was a while ago and there's still a lot of work to do.
[11:33] <LaserJock> I'd still work on it if you can
[11:33] <ossurayynot> ScottK, All right then - sounds like sandwich time.
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[11:33] <LaserJock> I snuck some package into Edubuntu around Beta last time ;-)
[11:33] <LaserJock> you might get lucky
[11:34] <soren> LaserJock: I'm planning on working on it in my spare time and probably stick it in my PPA, but it needs changed in other stuff like openldap and samba and such.
[11:34] <LaserJock> k
[11:34] <ajmitch> soren: ouch, sounds like a big task
[11:34] <LaserJock> I just didn't want you to give up because of FF
[11:34] <ajmitch> soren: did you manage to get much other stuff done in gutsy?
[11:34] <soren> ajmitch: I already did the openldap work (and got it accepted in Debian), but Samba is... troublesome.
[11:35] <LaserJock> as that is what exceptions are for, important things that didn't quite make it in time
[11:35] <ajmitch> samba is always fun
[11:35] <soren> LaserJock: Well, it's not going to get into main, that's pretty certain.
=== asisak has filed a new uvf request to keep MOTU UVF team awake
=== ajmitch is glad he's not on the motu-uvf team :)
[11:36] <ajmitch> maybe I should volunteer for ubuntu-archive ;)
[11:36] <ScottK> mok0: You have a bug to deal with: Bug #136218
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136218 in kssh "depend on openssh-client" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136218
[11:37] <ajmitch> but I bet that non-canonical people can't do it yet due to necessary access to LP
=== ScottK is pretty sure that's the case.
[11:37] <LaserJock> I think it might be possible
[11:37] <soren> ajmitch: It's beyond lp, I think. I think you need shell access to things.
[11:37] <LaserJock> I've pushed LP devs to get it so we can
[11:37] <ajmitch> soren: yes, that's what I suspected
[11:37] <ajmitch> it used to be that direct DB access was needed
[11:38] <ajmitch> and running scripts to manage the queues & shuffle packages around
[11:38] <LaserJock> I think there might be very little that needs special treatment now
[11:38] <LaserJock> I need to have a talk with kiko, but it looked to me like a lot of it was done
[11:38] <soren> ajmitch: Possibly. I don't know the details, but I've seen some archive admin happen and it didn't all involve a web browser :)
[11:38] <mok0> ScottK: will take a look
[11:38] <ajmitch> might be worth asking if the 'community' can help out there
[11:38] <ajmitch> there'd need to be some well-trained in license pedantry though
[11:38] <LaserJock> I know the almost let us admin -proposed
[11:39] <ScottK> mok0: Great.
[11:39] <LaserJock> but then our SRU policy "fixed" itself so I had to "invalid" that bug
[11:39] <ScottK> mok0: Also note that the person that filed it is not a random just somebody, but a senior Ubuntu developer, so I'd pay close attention ...
=== ossurayynot should look into learning licenses some day
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[11:40] <mok0> ScottK:  Hmm. I don't know. Why should it?
[11:40] <ScottK> Does it work if you don't have ssh installed?
[11:40] <mok0> ScottK:  I'll test it.
[11:40] <ScottK> K
[11:41] <ossurayynot> Isn't the ssh client part of ubuntu-minimal, and therefore not needed to be mentioned as a dep?
[11:41] <ScottK> Nope
[11:41] <ScottK> No ssh is installed by defaul afaik
[11:41] <asisak> StevenK: can you check bug 134623? It has been corrected. At least I hope so :)
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134623
[11:41] <ScottK> mok0: Don't forget that it's the -client you need to make sure isn't installed.
[11:41] <ossurayynot> No ssh server is, but I thought the client was.  Can anyone rdepends openssh-client and check?
[11:42] <asisak> ossurayynot: ubuntu-minimal is not an rdepend of openssh-client
[11:43] <ossurayynot> asisak, hmm, ok
[11:43] <asisak> ossurayynot: is this what you wanted to know?
[11:43] <ajmitch> ossurayynot: you can't assume that ubuntu-minimal is installed, even
[11:44] <ossurayynot> ajmitch, really?
=== ossurayynot thought he remembered reading something or other, but isn't at all sure of the details
[11:46] <ajmitch> it's just another meta-package that can be removed
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[11:51] <ScottK> Gotta run.  See you all later.
[11:52] <ajmitch> bye ScottK
[11:53] <kompozer> see ya Scottk
[11:53] <LaserJock> ossurayynot: the stuff that doesn't need to be in a dep is the stuff that has Priority: essential
[11:55] <asisak> bye ScottK
[11:55] <soren> LaserJock: ...and required.
[11:55] <mok0> ScottK: My machine dropped network completely when I uninstalled openssh-client.
[11:56] <LaserJock> soren: I didn't think required
[11:58] <soren> LaserJock: You didn't think /of/ required or you didn't think packages with Priority: required  didn't need a Depends: ?
[11:58] <ossurayynot> LaserJock, Aaah, that was it
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[11:59] <ajmitch> heh, good night
[11:59] <LaserJock> ah, actually policy says you don't have to build-dep on any packages in build-essential
[12:01] <LaserJock> blah, why don't I have Policy memorized yet? :-)
[12:02] <ossurayynot> Because remembering to sleep and eat is still taking up those sections of your brain.  Dump those and you'll be fine.
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[12:08] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[12:08] <ajmitch> hello TheMuso
[12:08] <asisak> Hey TheMuso
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[12:20] <cbx33> hey imbrandon
[12:20] <cbx33> pingity ping
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[12:20] <pygi> cbx33, you're bugging again?:)
[12:21] <cbx33> yup
[12:21] <cbx33> he told me to
[12:21] <pygi> if it makes him happy ...:P
[12:21] <cbx33> how are you
[12:21] <pygi> tired :P
[12:23] <ajmitch> hello cbx33
[12:23] <cbx33> hey ajmitch
[12:24] <asisak> Hey cbx33
[12:24] <cbx33> hi asisak
[12:24] <cbx33> how is everyone??
[12:32] <blueyed> cbx33: fine (drunken). Thanks for asking.. :p  - and you?
[12:32] <superm1> hi guys
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[12:33] <TheMuso> Hey superm1.
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[12:33] <elite101> hey i got sent here, and i was wondering on how to make a livecd?
[12:34] <elite101> Im running Kubuntu 7.04 Feist fawn
[12:34] <superm1> TheMuso, i was talking to xtknight earlier today about hugin, do you know which of the ubuntu studio folks would be best to speak to about ubuntu-studio-graphics?
[12:34] <superm1> its the only rdepend on it
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[12:34] <xtknight> superm1, i just posted about the zhang_undistort problem on their list a minute ago
[12:34] <TheMuso> superm1: You can talk to me, as I currently have a hand in updating ubuntustudio-meta.