[12:54] <mvo> bryce: do you mind if I upload a new displayconfig-gtk soonish
[12:54] <bryce> mvo, please do!
[12:54] <bryce> mvo, yes I just asked glatzor about if we could do a new release yesterday
[01:03] <bryce> I've done an initial 'does it apply' test for all the fixes proposed for backporting:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Fixes_to_Backport
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #96943 in wine (universe) "wine doesn't work because of 3D driver (VIA) (dup-of: 43154)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96943
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135738 in xorg (main) "DisplaySize setting not honored" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135738
[05:54] <tepsipakki> yay, pixman got accepted
[09:59] <bryce> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/29/ubuntu-xorg-maintainer-demonstrates-bulletproof-x
[10:00] <bryce> tepsipakki: btw I've rolled a new xorg-server including the portion of patches that applied cleanly
[10:01] <tepsipakki> bryce: sweet, do you need a sponsor?-)
[10:02] <bryce> heh, need a tester first ;-)
[10:10] <tepsipakki> bah :)
[07:07] <tormod> bryce, btw can you add the verbosity patch from bug fdo 10238?
[07:09] <bryce> tormod, on brief look it looks sane enough.  What's it needed for specifically?
[07:10] <tormod> bryce, to see in the log if/why edid fails
[07:11] <bryce> ok
[07:11] <bryce> yes I'll include it with the next set of patches.  I've added this to my todo list
[07:11] <tormod> bryce, maybe don't use the whole patch, but the pieces he proposes for inclusion.
[07:14] <bryce> ok I'll review it in detail
[08:09] <tormod> bryce: running -12ubuntu3feisty now. vesa does not segfault anylonger. Still failed with the old xorg.conf, then removed sync ranges and then it started, although in wrong mode :)
[08:09] <bryce> interesting!
[08:14] <tepsipakki> wow
[08:15] <tormod> is there any easy way to force vesa without having a xorg.conf?
[08:16] <tepsipakki> it doesn't use that?
[08:16] <bryce> tepsipakki: well the x autodetect would kick in if the xorg.conf is missing
[08:17] <bryce> tormod, I don't know of a method to force it to use vesa other than with an xorg.conf
[08:17] <tormod> this is a X700, which usually would use ati. I force vesa to reproduce the X1?00 problems.
[08:17] <tepsipakki> bryce: right, so it should use vesa
[08:17] <tepsipakki> ahh
[08:18] <tormod> I'll just strip my xorg.conf, needs Device and a minimal Screen section.
[08:19] <tepsipakki> btw, I cleaned up the -intel bugreports a bit yesterday.. some 10+ bugs closed
[08:19] <tepsipakki> -ati deserves the same
[08:19] <bryce> awesome :-)
[08:19] <bryce> btw, I've been gathering changelog info for recent uploads at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgRecentChanges to help with triaging
[08:20] <bryce> I'm planning once the xserver backports are done, and bulletproofx is turned on and working, to go through and do some major triaging
[08:22] <tepsipakki> cool
[08:22] <tormod> bummer - with a minimal xorg.conf it crashed again :(
[08:22] <tepsipakki> btw, fedora has ati-6.7.192
[08:22] <tepsipakki> tormod: but possibly for another reason
[08:22] <bryce> is fedora running it straight or do they include any patches?
[08:23] <tepsipakki> straight
[08:23] <bryce> interesting
[08:23] <tormod> tepsipakki: looks the same in the log, but I'll do some gdb
[08:23] <tepsipakki> releases are coming so quickly
[08:29] <tepsipakki> hum, should bug 54650 be closed now?
[08:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54650 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "GCC SSP breaks xorg-server" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54650
[08:29] <tepsipakki> since the current xserver doesn't disable ssp anymore
[08:29] <bryce> tepsipakki: yeah sounds like
[08:29] <bryce> tepsipakki: want me to close it or do you want to?
[08:29] <tepsipakki> I can do it.. I'll mark the gcc part as invalid
[08:29] <bryce> ok cool, thx
[08:30] <tormod> should I rebuild vesa with the new xserver-xorg-dev ?
[08:30] <tepsipakki> probably doesn't matter
[08:31] <tormod> hmm gdb is funny again, doesn't say where in vesa it crashes.
[08:35] <tormod> I mixed up the packages again, seems like my vesa is not debug build...
[08:40] <tormod> why does some x packages make a -dbg package and some not?
[08:42] <tormod> segfaults at the very same place :(
[08:42] <tormod> actually good that it is at the same place at least :)
[08:44] <tormod> if someone wants to help out debugging (remotely?) I'll be back
[08:52] <tepsipakki> bryce: what do you think is sufficient time between a ping and marking the bug closed?-)
[08:52] <bryce> bdmurray gives 30 days; I generally have been allowing 90 days
[08:52] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll honour that
[08:53] <bryce> sometimes I'll close after 30 days if it looks like the bug is extremely incomplete and I sense there's little chance of anything productive coming out of waiting
[08:53] <bryce> whereas for bugs that at least some useful debuggable info exists, I'll wait additional time
[09:11] <tepsipakki> yep, makes sense
[09:44] <tormod> what's the best fd,o bug reference for that vesa problem?
[09:45] <tormod> bug fdo 12105?
[09:53] <tepsipakki> that's one, but I remember there being another one too (could be wrong)
[10:19] <tormod> for the backported-1.4-to-1.3-to-feisty debs, can I get them hosted somewhere? if they get popular, they'll fill my 50MB/day quota,
[10:22] <tormod> tepsipakki: (from #xorg-devel) yes I can put the fixed vesa up on XorgOnTheEdge.
[10:22] <tepsipakki> cool
[10:27] <bryce> tormod: certainly, I'd be happy to upload them to my people.ubuntu.com...Testing page if you'd like
[10:28] <tepsipakki> bryce: I'll upload a new vesa shortly
[10:28] <bryce> btw, I just put in for a discover-data change that will switch -i810 to -intel across the board by default
[10:28] <tepsipakki> there's a oneliner for the fedora mode-heuristics patch, which should fix the crash
[10:31] <tormod> bryce, you can find the new vesa for feisty in http://tormod.webhop.org/linux/bryce/
[10:32] <tormod> the backport xorg-server is uploading...
[10:33] <tormod> I guess xserver-xorg-core{,-dbg} and -dev should be enough?
[10:33] <bryce> tormod: excellent, yes that should probably suffice
[10:34] <bryce> tormod: let me know when they're finished uploading and I'll mirror them.
[10:34] <bryce> tormod: I can also put out a call for testers on the X Tester forum if you'd like
[10:36] <tepsipakki> tormod: just to be sure, does this debdiff look identical to yours? http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/vesa.debdiff
[10:39] <tormod> tepsipakki: yes they are the same.
[10:40] <tepsipakki> cool, I'll upload now
[10:41] <tormod> bryce: upload done, please get them. yes please call for testers. I'll update XorgOnTheEdge.
[10:41] <bryce> ok great
[10:43] <bryce> syncing...
[10:45] <tormod> bryce: can you give me the url for my packages?
[10:46] <bryce> sure, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server-backports-feisty/
[10:46] <bryce> (still syncing)
[11:16] <bryce> tormod: finished syncing
[11:17] <tormod> bryce: thanks I saw that a while ago :) the wiki is updated. did you post on the forums?
[11:18] <bryce> working on a post now
[11:22] <tepsipakki> I'm off to bed, tomorrow I'll attack the ati-bugs more, gnite
[11:23] <bryce> tepsipakki: excellent
[11:23] <bryce> tormod: posted - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3282357&posted=1#post3282357