[12:39] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not a bad language to learn, if you are considering a programming future
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> I'm not :) I know python which is pretty much as deep as I want to get.
[12:40] <mhb> nosrednaekim: okay then :o)
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> but anyway.... I was looking for something to code on, and I was looking at porting LTSP-manager to QT. But I can't get virtualization working.
[12:41] <mhb> nosrednaekim: virtualization? as in?
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> vmware doesn't like my machine, neither does kvm or kqemu. :( and qemu is WAY to slow.
[12:42] <mhb> nosrednaekim: try virtualbox
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> I was trying to virtualize edubuntu.
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> isn't that just kqemu with a fancy wrapping?
[12:42] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's not a perfect solution, but many people like it
[12:42] <mhb> not sure, perhaps
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> i'll look into it... thanks :)
[12:43] <mhb> a bit offtopic: could someone explain the new kdebase/ separation to me? apps/runtime/workspace ?
[12:44] <mhb> why is kdm in workspace and not apps?
[12:50] <allee> mhb: kdm is part of the KDE4 workspace becuase not needed by windoof or mac os that have their own
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> for me kmail works pretty good, surely without marking a message as read
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> this makes me nervous :)
[12:51] <mhb> allee: ah, thanks.
[12:51] <mhb> the new kdebase structure -- doof
[12:51] <mhb> me -- doof
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> seems to be more work than it is
[12:52] <mhb> I like that shirt :o)
[12:52] <allee> mhb: no IMHO makes lot of sense ;)
[12:53] <mhb> allee: the structure might be, it's just the fact that you can't find anything anymore that I consider doof
[12:53] <allee> mhb: hehe
[12:53] <mhb> allee: and I was referring to that "alles ist doof" picture on T-shirts
[12:54] <mhb> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6110/doof22fp.jpg
[12:55] <allee> mhb: ah, I know it.  My daughter tried to convince me to buy a puzzle with this picture
[12:58] <mhb> allee: tried to convince? don't be too hard on her :o)
[12:58] <mhb> aaanyway
[01:00] <ryanakca> mhb: what's a doof?
[01:00] <allee> ryanakca: stupid
[01:00] <ryanakca> Haha
[01:01] <neversfelde|mobi> hehe
[01:01] <neversfelde|mobi> a doof
[01:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want admin access to eGroupWare?
[01:43] <Lure> Riddell: sounds like SuSE has also problems with enterprise branch: http://frinring.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/wanted-older-packages-of-kdepim-357-for-opensuse-102/
[01:46] <Lure> Riddell: paste (Ctrl-V) into e-mail compose window causes crash here... :-(
[01:47] <nixternal> man, fell asleep on the couch
[01:47] <nixternal> Lure: I think they might have fixed that upstrea...they were talking about it in #kontact earlier
[01:48] <Lure> nixternal: sleep on couch does not sound that bad... ;-)
[01:48] <nixternal> hee
[01:48] <Lure> nixternal: nice to hear...
[01:49] <nixternal> I hope they fix the other issues, ie manual mail checks strip incoming email of headers and content
[01:49] <nixternal> so you get totally blank emails that end up in the trash marked as spam
[01:51] <nixternal> Riddell: starting on KDE 4 b2
[01:52] <nixternal> downloading that tarball at a whopping 15k/s :)
[01:52] <allee> :)
[01:52] <jjesse> so wife's flight has been delayed for 3 hours
[01:52] <nixternal> where is she at?
[01:52] <jjesse> and she's sitting at the airport waiting to fly to atlanta to see me
[01:52] <nixternal> flying to?
[01:52] <jjesse> grand rapids
[01:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[01:52] <nixternal> she staying the weekend?
[01:53] <jjesse> we were supposed to be on vacation this week, but boss needed me to teach the class
[01:53] <jjesse> so work is flying her down and paying for the hotel for the long weekend
[01:53] <nixternal> nice..you guys like to hike and stuff, go up into the mountains
[01:54] <jjesse> yeah we do... if she ever gets here
[01:55] <nixternal> 3.5 hours to get out to Savannah...very nice out there if you haven't ever been there
[01:55] <nixternal> great beaches, nice restaurants
[01:55] <nixternal> I like that old town feeling in savannah
[01:56] <nixternal> you are only about 1.5 hours to chattanooga which is nice as well..and a lot of mountains
[01:57] <nixternal> don't forget to hit the Waffle House and get the best cheesy grits in the world
[01:57] <jjesse> mmmmmm waffle house ;)
[01:58] <nixternal> hehe
[01:58] <nixternal> I do not like grits, but I love their grits...and their hash browns are out of this world
[01:59] <jjesse> still trying to sync svn for qt-copy
[01:59] <jjesse> why is it so stinkin slow
[02:02] <jjesse> do i really need all the files before i build?
[02:05] <nixternal> download one, build it, move on to step two
[02:05] <nixternal> or on to the second one
[02:07] <jjesse> nixternal: still trying to download qt-copy
[02:07] <jjesse> which is before all the other things
[02:08] <Jucato> almost done with my kdebase :P
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: eh?
[02:08] <Jucato> same thing as jjesse's doing...
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: ah.
[02:09] <Jucato> a.k.a. upstream things :)
[02:09] <mhb> Jucato: no trouble with "strigiclient.h" ?
[02:09] <Jucato> hmm... didn't encounter any errors yet.
[02:09] <Jucato> where did you encounter this? while building which module?
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: I think it was krunner
[02:10] <Jucato> ah well I'm still compiling kdebase so I might run into that
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: but perhaps you evaded this by compiling strigi yourself
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: I was trying to reuse as much packages as possible
[02:10] <Jucato> ah I see
[02:11] <Jucato> everything from Qt upward I compiled.
[02:11] <mhb> I did just kdepimlibs-kdelibs-kdebase combo
[02:12] <jjesse> wow plane is just leaving
[02:12] <jjesse> so  i need to have qt-copy from svn checked out first correct?
[02:12] <Jucato> O.o
[02:12] <mhb> Jucato: plasma is shaping up quite nicely
[02:12] <Jucato> ah nice :)
[02:12] <mhb> Jucato: although the Kicker replacement is showing on the first desktop only
[02:13] <mhb> Jucato: and it seems to be close to impossible to move widgets from the desktop to it
[02:13] <mhb> well at least they have a system tray :D
[02:13] <Jucato> doesn't work as advertised eh? :)
[02:13] <Jucato> oooh good!!!
[02:13] <Jucato> systray is *very very* important
[02:13] <Jucato> <---- could easily fill his whole kicker w/ systrays
[02:14] <Jucato> jjesse: what I did was to checkout everything in one sitting and sleep through it :)
[02:15] <jjesse> J\
[02:15] <jjesse> doh
[02:15] <jjesse> Jucato: my internet connection at the hotel ends each night
[02:15] <Jucato> ouch
[02:15] <jjesse> i have to re-"login"
[02:15] <Jucato> I'm too spoiled at home :/
[02:16] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, it's the best advantage over beta1
[02:16] <Jucato> gonna be difficult when I face the "real" world next year :(
[02:16] <mhb> Jucato: oh, I wasn't able to get the systray from the desktop to the kicker replacement, I'm afraid
[02:17] <mhb> Jucato: I think they're saving this feature for the 4.0 "Crazy Developers Only Release" :o)
[02:17] <Jucato> it's ok. as long as there's a semblance of a systray so that apps won't go disappearing...
[02:17] <mhb> of course, I'm kidding
[02:17] <mhb> I really hope they'll manage to get it all into 4.0
[02:18] <Jucato> ok going to grab some breakfast, then do laundry :(
[02:18] <jjesse> on smarter then a fifth grader the person asked if he would win a million what would he do
[02:19] <jjesse> he said he would buy a lamborgini and paint it camo
[02:19] <Jucato> O.o
[02:33] <mhb> Jucato: poke me if you manage to keep the kicker replacement on all desktops
[04:01] <ryanakca> Is anybody else having kded run at >95% CPU?
[04:01] <nixternal> can't say that I am
[04:01] <ryanakca> shucks.
[04:01] <Jucato> um.. nope :(
[04:01] <nixternal> apt-get is running at that right now in a pbuilder :)
[04:01] <ryanakca> According to the service manager, it's the only thing running...
[04:06] <Jucato> did we stop installing Krita by default a few releases back?
[04:19] <nixternal> looks like it
[04:21] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:22] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qimageblitz/
[04:23] <nixternal> test building kdelibs w/o qimageblitz to see how bad it complains first :)
[04:34] <Jucato> nixternal: did you build KDE 4 from SVN or use Kubuntu packages (Beta 1?)
[04:34] <nixternal> built from SvN
[04:35] <Jucato> ah kool. just finished mine on my desktop a while ago...
[04:35] <Jucato> I have no clue where to get other plasmoids :(
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, me either..dunno where they are hiding
[04:40] <nixternal> lazy, lazy, lazy :D
[04:41] <Jucato> hahaha
[04:41] <Jucato> although building from SVN seems to be faster now that it was a few months ago
[04:42] <nixternal> well if you are using gutsy, then all you have to do is start at the kdesupport recipe
[04:42] <Jucato> I followed the techbases step by step... except for CMake.
[04:43] <Jucato> I tried not to compile DBus but got errors when trying to run a KDE 4 app
[04:43] <nixternal> you don't need qt-copy with gutsy
[04:43] <Jucato> heh now you tell me :P
[04:44] <Jucato> but on this lappy I'm on Feisty so...
[04:44] <Jucato> :)
[04:44] <nixternal> well if you would read the techbase page you would have known that :)
[04:44] <nixternal> ya, feisty will need qt-copy
[04:45] <Jucato> lazy me :P
[05:03] <ryanakca> Ok... hmm. would the kded acting up part be because it was started with 'kded --new-startup' instead of just 'kded'? killing all kded processes, and then restarting one with the latter worked
[05:03] <ryanakca> well, it fixed it :)
[05:04] <ryanakca> Also, is there a reason KMilo doesn't start at login? (KMilo is required for volup/down)
[05:05] <nixternal> man, you are having all kinds of issues :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I do, but it controls master..which doesn't work with the intel-hda stuff
[05:05] <ryanakca> Jucato: what, the buttons, or the working-ness
[05:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: change you change the master channel?
[05:06] <nixternal> ya, but that causes other problems
[05:06] <ryanakca> hmm.
[05:06] <Jucato> the buttons
[05:07] <Jucato> so I've never seen KMilo since...um.. can't remember
[05:13] <Jucato> kdelibs4c2a to be exact
[06:36] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde4libs/
[09:08] <Tonio_> yo
[10:16] <allee> Hi Tonio
[10:17] <allee> I've another bt item to discuss:  Imaging a user  'I have bt but don't care about it, but everytime I quit kbt, when I login it's back'
[10:17] <allee> Tonio_: was it upstream or one of your patches that removed the
[10:18] <Riddell> there is a no autostart key
[10:18] <allee> autostart yes/no question when kbt in quit?
[10:18] <allee> Riddell: ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: I removed it
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: simply because that would cause a doule start
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: and also, due to your script, that would have been ignored
[10:19] <allee> Tonio_: ehe, we tried hard to no run bt when not available, but when bt is available but not wanted there's nothing ;)
[10:19] <Riddell> allee: don't know about that but I'm sure the .desktop autostart file has a key to test
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: if you don't care about bluetooth, you can just disable is hardware on most pcs right ?
[10:20] <allee> Tonio_: not every hardware (as you know) has a hardware switch to turn it off
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: btw yes you can just test for the users rc file and grep the setting
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: then start or not
[10:21] <Tonio_> then I can remove the patch indeed
[10:23] <allee> Tonio_: afaiu this is automaticly done by: X-KDE-autostart-condition=kbluetoothdrc:General:AutoStart:true
[10:23] <Tonio_> well let's unpatch then ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> allee: yep that's to be changed :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> allee: I'll remove the patch and provide a new svn snapshot today
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you can disable it via hardware, but kbt still comes up anyway
[10:25] <allee> Tonio_: okay,  great.   'cause I'm busy today, and not sure about the WE
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: one thing
[10:25] <allee> Hobbsee: no not anymore.  If there no bt device, kbt will no longer start
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: how do we get the initial AUtoStart:true ? :)
[10:25] <Hobbsee> allee: since when?
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: what if the file doesn't exist ?
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: does it consider that no "false" means "true" ?
[10:26] <allee> Tonio_: I remove all kblu*rc yesterday and kbt was still started
[10:26] <allee> ^^ in ~/.kde only of course
[10:26] <Tonio_> allee: oki
[10:27] <Tonio_> allee: okay so I'll remove the patch
[10:27] <allee> Tonio_: I would need to experiment,  I've tried this feature years ago when it was implemented in kbt.  All I remember is it worked at that time :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'll make tests too
[10:29] <allee> Hobbsee: when kblueplugd is running.  I think tonio uploaded it yesterday
[10:30] <Tonio_> allee: yep I did
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: ah, ok, i'll have to update, and will tell you when i reboot
[10:30] <allee> Hobbsee: enjoy my first python script :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: :D
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee: : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/633
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee: ouch !!!!!
[11:52] <Tonio_> since yesterday......
[11:56] <allee> Tonio_: oiy!  svn log  since yesterday? ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> allee: yep :/ ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> allee: how many things broken ?
[11:58] <Tonio_> I bet at least 5 ;)
[12:05] <mhb> Jucato, nixternal: plasmoids are available in playground/base/ui/plasma I think
[12:05] <mhb> the default desktop looks kind of silly because it places non-existent plasmoids on the kicker-replacement
[12:22] <Tonio_> allee: interesting new functionnalities :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> allee: very cook changes in kdebluetooth I must say ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> allee: the only thing that frightens me a bit is that they are adding new functionnalities without stabilizing old stuff....
[01:32] <Tonio_> allee: thanks to _stefans_ lots of things are fixed, but we should take care to get those patches in svn
[01:36] <allee> Tonio_: Stefan can ask on #bluetooth for inclusion.  I assume that when they see his stuff is okay, that he can then commit directly.
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: sure
[01:36] <allee> .. without asking first
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on ktorrent, there is a new bigfix release out
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: well some patches are just fixing segfaults........
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: I see no point not including them
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: 'just' ?   Your joking! Are there more important fixes than segfaults?
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: that's why we should get them in :)
[01:38] <allee> Tonio_: :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: and there there is more important, as security fixes btw :)
[02:45] <sahin_w> Riddell: ping
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: I encountered yesterday a kmail eneterprise + IMAP problem.
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Maybe you are remember... I hope so.
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Shall I open a bug report against?
[02:48] <sahin_w> Riddell: Or are you working on it?
[02:49] <Riddell> sahin_w: I'm not, please report to bugs.kde.org on kdepim version enterprise
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok.
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Shall I open a bug report on launchpad too?
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Or is this a pure upstream problem?
[02:51] <sahin_w> Riddell: In my case kmail useles in Gutsy.
[02:52] <Riddell> sahin_w: it's upstream only
[02:53] <Riddell> sahin_w: I'll probably revert to a more stable version when I get a moment
[02:53] <sahin_w> Riddell: I see, but the problem has been fixed already. One of the developer told me on the #kontack channel.
[02:55] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I should just take a more recent snapshot then
[03:10] <sahin_w> Riddell: Yes, please take a more recent snapshot.
[03:11] <sahin_w> Riddell: Would you take it? In this case I won't create a bug report on bugs.kde.org
[03:12] <Riddell> sahin_w: I will
[03:13] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok. In this case I won't finish my bug report.
[03:14] <sahin_w> Riddell: I can test the new snapshot on Monday, when I'm going to my office.
[03:14] <sahin_w> Riddell: So you have plenty of time. ;-)
[03:17] <sahin_w> sahin_w: Testing means: you will upload the new snapshot > I will upgraded on my vmware gutsy > I will connect to my imap account
[03:17] <sahin_w> Riddell: Testing means: you will upload the new snapshot > I will upgraded on my vmware gutsy > I will connect to my imap account
[03:18] <sahin_w> Riddell: And I will cros my fingers.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !info lynx gutsy
[03:33] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.6-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1138 kB, installed size 4860 kB
[03:48] <Tonio_> allee, or Riddell: ping ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you seem to be there, I'm trying to build latest kdebluetooth svn snapshot, and I have a strange build failure....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: serviceselectionwidgetbase.h: no such file or directory
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a serviceselectionwidgetbase.ui in the code, from which serviceselectionwidgetbase.h should be generated, but that doesn't seem to happen....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: where and how is that supposed to be generated ?
[03:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you have any idea on that point that's be good :)
[03:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: the build system should know to compile the file with uic
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[03:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I should see uic somewhere in the Makefile.in I guess right ?
[03:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that ./configure && make works like a charm.....
[03:57] <Riddell> what's in the Makefile.am ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/637
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the makefile.am
[03:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: possibly the .ui file is too late in that list
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: but what would be the difference beteween local compile and a deb build ?
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see what can be different on that point....
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: trying to put it sooner
[04:00] <Riddell> builddir!=sourcedir
[04:00] <Riddell> but that Makefile.am looks fine to me
[04:00] <Tonio_> hum true, but then I guess that the problem is in the include right ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> bad path
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's your opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/87299 ?
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87299 in amarok "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty (no need to confirm behavior anymore)" [Undecided,In progress] 
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: they use windows + "action"
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oups that's on gutsy
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we should take care to change that too btw :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've lost you
[04:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't mind, just in gutsy make right click on the systray icon and you'll get my point ;)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, right, yes
[04:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why did it break in the first place?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Support for this was broken due to changes in the handling of keyboard shortcuts by gnome 2.18.
[04:05] <Riddell> oh, this is amarok running under gnome?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes
[04:05] <Riddell> so it still works with KDE?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> apparently
[04:06] <Riddell> trouble with that script is a good bunch of gnome users are not going to have python-dcop installed
[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/   <- main has qimageblitz and universe has kde4libs - both built on PPA
[04:06] <Riddell> nixternal: you rock
[04:07] <nixternal> that is pretty cool, as I added qimageblitz-dev to kde4libs build-dep, and it recognized it via the PPA...impressive
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, and whether it needs to be a dep for anything else...
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, it's in universe anyway
[04:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what is?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> py-dcop
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Jucato!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> nixternal!
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Riddell!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Morning all
[04:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: right I can see that, ./obj-i486-linux-gnu/kdebluetooth/libkbluetooth/serviceselectionwidgetbase.h
[04:08] <Tonio_> so the inclusion fails due to file missing, but how to fix ? I have no idea....
[04:08] <nixternal> cool, they are delaying kde 4.0 for 2 months...good decision
[04:10] <mhb> nixternal: link?
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait, I'm wrong, it needs python dbus which should be fine
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[04:12] <DaSkreech> nixternal: .. where have I heard that before?
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fell free to include it then
[04:13] <mhb> nixternal: found it
[04:13] <Riddell> there's a patch for amarok due to go in
[04:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm adding them
[04:19] <allee> Tonio_: kdebluetooth is missing Depends: python-dbus
[04:21] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you fixed flash right?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> for kubuntu atleast
[04:22] <gnomefreak> bug 136376 is what i am referring to
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136376 in flashplugin-nonfree "automatic update for mozilla-flashplayer make using flashplayer impossible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136376
[04:22] <Tonio_> allee: true, will ad that one
[04:23] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: look at the tribe 6 page
[04:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: think I got the fix, but then the problem is in makefile.am
[04:24] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[04:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the fix?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> Riddell: what did you do and i dont really see how it would screw up for ff
[04:25] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I think his problem is separate, although I've no idea what it is
[04:25] <gnomefreak> i was just wondering if you tweaked something that would have caused that
[04:26] <Riddell> well, it would help if I understood what was caused :)
[04:26] <Riddell> "I found the problem" so what is it?
[04:26] <Riddell> Program updated flashplayer-mozilla in diferent directory as it should so web browsers couldn't find it.
[04:27] <Riddell> let's ask asac
[04:27] <gnomefreak> i just did hes kind of loast as well
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ;p;
[04:27] <Riddell> gnomefreak: where?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> i asked him to come here
[04:28] <gnomefreak> we are both in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[04:29] <nixternal> hehe, someone finally noticed the K and gears on my blog header
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the INCLUDES line is incomplete
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: added several things and it works, now I have to find out which one fixes hehe :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you give back failed to build packages, in soyuz, or only depwait ones?
[04:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I can't give back anything
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, i suspected that.  but the people who *can* give back things...
[04:32] <Riddell> buildd admins can give back either, although depwait ones ought to sort themselves out
[04:32] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[04:33] <Hobbsee> thanks
[04:34] <nixternal> gnomefreak: that feature is coming
[04:34] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:34] <Hobbsee> mmm..  will be interesting to see if this actually builds
[04:34] <gnomefreak> its handy for the people ther enever used it and forgot to add universe to section lines
[04:35] <gnomefreak> or main or whatever other one
[04:35] <nixternal> ya, I always forget to add the section line myself in debian/control for the ppa
[04:36] <Jucato> yay now I can tell some people "I told you so!" :)
[04:36] <gnomefreak> i screwed up a few of them they built bins for main repo so now i make it a point to double check it
[04:36] <Jucato> nixternal: 4.0 delayed :)
[04:36] <nixternal> Jucato: yup
[04:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I've done that
[04:36] <nixternal> we knew it would happen
[04:37] <Riddell> maybe it went away but I definately could
[04:37] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, my ppa now has qimageblitz in main :)
[04:37] <Jucato> I was just waiting for it to be announced hehe
[04:37] <Jucato> although I was hoping late november though...
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i have new nss nspr xulrunner will be there soon i hope
[04:37] <nixternal> even then would be a tight deadline
[04:38] <mhb> nixternal: groovy
[04:38] <nixternal> will the real Jucato please stand up
[04:39] <Jucato> that was on the desktop hehehe
[04:39] <Jucato> I'm still trying to figure out a nice setup for everything :(
[04:42] <nixternal> what?
[04:43] <Jucato> in the other room :)
[04:43] <nixternal> then it wouldn't be a streetfight would it :)
[04:43] <Jucato> roomfight?
[04:43] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:43] <nixternal> haha
[04:43] <nixternal> I was like, streetfight, PICS!#!
[04:43] <Jucato> screenshots/chat logs would be ok?
[04:44] <Jucato> :P
[04:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you're playing with amarok, the install-mp3 script could do with being changed to use adept_batch update
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: instead of apt-get update?
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:49] <Jucato> heya
[04:49] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:49] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[05:13] <ryanakca> mhb: you can ssh into groupware.kubuntu.co.uk if you wish to change your password.
[05:14] <bddebian> Can't adduser take a file as input?
[05:14] <nixternal> yessah
[05:15] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  http://librarian.dogfood.launchpad.net/7816673/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.amarok_2%3A1.4.7-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:15] <ryanakca> ouch
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why do i get ^ ?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> well, how do i fix it?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> do i have to relibtoolise first or something?
[05:18] <nixternal> that is an interesting issue there
[05:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've no idea, maybe it needs buildprep run on it
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought that buildprep went and undid it's changes aftwerwards?
[05:23] <Riddell> no
[05:23] <Riddell> wouldn't be much point if it did
[05:23] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i know it unapplies patches afterwards, though
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: no the fix doesn't work in fact.......
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't figure out out this works..... looked at ktorrent code for example, nothing specific and .h generated files are included correctly....
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird, really
[05:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm. looks like the '-f' option has disappeared...
[05:49] <Tonio_> allee: if you can help on that point, that would be nice, cause I'm really lost
[05:57] <allee> Hobbsee: build prep applies the patches; run make -f Makefile.cvs; reverts the patches; then makes diff of what's changed (Mostly .in files due to .am changes)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> allee: right
[05:57] <allee> Hobbsee: so all the autogenerated changes are hidden in 98_buildprep.diff.
[05:58] <allee> Tonio_: help with what?
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: ftbfs due to header inclusion fails
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: it doesn't make this diff
[05:59] <Riddell> you have to do that by hand
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: all include path are absolute, works with relative path, but I don't know how to get them relative :)
[05:59] <Riddell> or not in the case of kubuntu
[06:00] <allee> Tonio_: ftbfs of what amarok?
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: kdebluetooth latest svn
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: there is a new ui file that generates a .h
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: the point is that due to srcdir != builddir it fails to be included
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: the key seems to be that in the g++ command all the path are absolute and not relative
[06:02] <Tonio_> allee: with relative things that seems to be okay
[06:02] <Tonio_> allee: have an idea on how to fix the issue
[06:02] <Tonio_> ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> allee: to make it simple, looking at the ktorrent buildlog, the g++ command to build main.cpp has this : -I../../ktorrent/libktorrent
[06:06] <Tonio_> I don't have that king of relative thing in kdebluetooth, and I don't understand why since I have the same INCLUDES in the makefiles
[06:06] <Tonio_> + .am files
[06:23] <allee> Tonio_: use one of $(src_dir)/path/to/dir $(build_dir)/path/to/dir or  $(top_srcdir)/path/in/source/tree  $(top_builddir)/...
[06:24] <allee> Tonio_: if it's a builddir != srcdir issue   $(src_dir)../../ktorrent/libktorrent should work (but it's ugly)  better get rid of ../../
[06:25] <Tonio_> allee: trying
[06:48] <Jucato> nixternal: you're the first to blog about the delay :P
[06:49] <ScottK> What delay?
[06:49] <Jucato> KDE 4.0
[06:59] <mhb> nixternal: speaking of "Kubuntu will produce the packages the day they are released" -- how's the beta 2 packages?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Whats his blog?
[07:00] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: blog.nixternal.com
[07:00] <Jucato> or just see in plante.ubuntu.com :)
[07:00] <DaSkreech> duh only the first hit on google
[07:00] <Jucato> (you're not subscribed? *shock*)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> nope
[07:45] <TheInfinity> hello ... is the adept bug known that in MIME type collumn the maintainer is shown? :)
[07:45] <TheInfinity> btw - MIME type is bad description - is should be description or something like that
[07:50] <ScottK> IIRC yes, but check launchpad for a bug.
[08:20] <Riddell> TheInfinity: yes, although we've no idea what's causing it
[08:22] <TheInfinity> okay ...
[09:18] <aantipop> i think i found a bug: once you used dolphins option to "open as root", each time you close dolphin in user-mode theres a error: unable to save bookmarks, permission denied, because bookmarks.xml permissions are root then
[09:18] <aantipop> (dolphin 0.9.1 on kde 3.5.7)
[09:35] <aantipop> should i file a bug on this on launchpad ?
[09:38] <aantipop> another thing: i changed dolphin to be the default file manager. if i click on trash, choose "open in a new window" i get the error: invalid adress "trash:/"
[09:55] <_moose_> Hi.
[09:55] <mhb> hi!
[09:56] <_moose_> I was just reading the HelpingKubuntu page on the wiki and I decided to see what's going on in the channel. Really love what Kubuntu does on my laptop!
[10:05] <mhb> mike_moose: what is going on? Well, the usual friday evening. Our BDFL is putting on his pyjamas, and the other Europeans will most likely do the same... the Americans enjoy their productive afternoon and so on
[10:08] <nixternal> mhb: we are just starting them now
[10:08] <nixternal> kde 4 beta 2 packages that is
[10:09] <Riddell> nixternal: I can give you more if you want
[10:09] <mhb> nixternal: by the way, is it possible not to be dependent on the Launchpad's building system this time?
[10:10] <nixternal> Riddell: sure....
[10:10] <nixternal> hey, what's up with KDE on Gutsy after recent updates? I can't paste w/o the system locking up
[10:10] <nixternal> in Kontact/KMail especially
[10:10] <nixternal> brb, gotta reboot again
[10:11] <nixternal> OK, back
[10:17] <mhb> today is really a nice day
[10:17] <mhb> full of news :o)
[10:17] <mhb> KDE delayed, Python 3000 alpha 1 is out
[10:36] <nixternal> wo0t...I love when people respond to blog posts by joining the channel list and wanting to help out
[10:37] <mike_moose> :)
[10:40] <kwwii> nixternal: be lucky that you can copy..pasting is really an advanced task :p
[10:42] <kwwii> erm, feel lucky....man my english is going down the tubes
[10:43] <tmske> nixternal: I have this also that I can't paste in Kontact/KMail. Kontact crashes, do still have this?
[10:43] <nixternal> yup
[10:45] <allee> hehe, fun does not stop there. With pop I got 2 time 'list incomplete'  then I only see empty msgs, loosing the real one.  9 msg up to now :(
[10:46] <tmske> nixternal: there is a bug in launchpad
[10:46] <nixternal> allee: does that happen when you do a manual mail check or when kontact/kmail does an auto download?
[10:47] <nixternal> kontact/kmail works fine when I start it up, but afterwards, if I do a manual mail check, I get the empty messages with "no subject" and "unknown" for sender and date
[10:47] <allee> nixternal: manual.
[10:47] <nixternal> it puts them in the trash and marks them as spam since they are empty
[10:48] <allee> nixternal: happened only 2 times so I can't see a pattern yet.  But yes, up to know it was never the first download.
[10:48] <nixternal> I have filed bugs on malone and upstream
[10:48] <allee> nixternal: no. I see the empty msg in my inbox
[10:49] <nixternal> ahh, mine gets flagged as spam and the default behavior I have is to move them to the trash
[10:49] <nixternal> I forgot that is how I did spam handling a while back
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw you uploaded dolphin with the fix for system in kicker, I forgot to do it..... sorry
[12:19] <Riddell> no problem, I made some other changes too
[12:19] <Tonio_> yup I saw that
[12:20] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth i fixed btw..... strange issue, still I know how to fix, but I don't understand why it doesn't work the same way that with others .ui files... doesn't make sense to me
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll prepare a UFV exception for ktorrent tomorrow
[12:22] <Riddell> ok
[12:22] <mhb> is it possible to do automated CD tests on a virtualization level?
[12:22] <mhb> Kubuntu automated CD test, of course
[12:23] <mhb> I wonder if Canonical is doing Ubuntu's somehow
[12:37] <mhb> Riddell: is there a chance you may know about this? ^^ Sorry for bothering you, feel free not to answer