Kmos | synic: for example, set status you need to be part of ubuntu-qa team | 12:53 |
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Kmos | or change bugs, be part of ubuntu bugs | 12:53 |
Kmos | synic: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad | 12:54 |
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RAOF | Oh, cool. My libdrm PPA build died because I'm in GMT+10 :( | 02:02 |
LaserJock | ? | 02:03 |
RAOF | LaserJock: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9069174/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.libdrm_2.3.1%7Egit20070831-0ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz if you'd like the gory details. | 02:03 |
RAOF | But basically, configure's timestamp is in the future. At least, for the buildd :) | 02:04 |
LaserJock | I wouldn't think that would make it FTBFS | 02:04 |
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LaserJock | oh, that is interesting | 02:05 |
RAOF | Configure fails with 'newly created file is older than...' :) | 02:05 |
LaserJock | it would be good if all the packaging stuff was in UTC | 02:06 |
kiko-afk | isn't it? | 02:06 |
LaserJock | no | 02:06 |
LaserJock | we aren't | 02:06 |
LaserJock | my time stamps are in UTC-7 for instance | 02:06 |
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RAOF | And mine are in UTC+10. | 02:08 |
Rinchen | ddaa, the trivial team has been fixed :-) | 02:09 |
LaserJock | cprov: do you think multiple PPAs/person is really a rare use-case | 02:09 |
ddaa | Rinchen: thx | 02:09 |
Rinchen | although I found another issue I'm fixing now | 02:09 |
kiko-afk | LaserJock, we're not sure, but we thought so. | 02:10 |
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LaserJock | I think it makes it kinda difficult if you have more than one target userbase | 02:10 |
LaserJock | as people often want a group of packages, but not all | 02:11 |
kiko-afk | LaserJock, what do you mean? | 02:11 |
LaserJock | like if I'm doing science packages as well as Edubuntu packages | 02:11 |
LaserJock | and the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages | 02:11 |
kiko-afk | LaserJock, and you wouldn't have a shared team repo? | 02:11 |
LaserJock | no | 02:11 |
kiko-afk | why not? | 02:11 |
LaserJock | I want it all in my personal PPA | 02:11 |
LaserJock | I don't want to have to create multiple teams just for me to separate my packages | 02:12 |
LaserJock | I can definitely see the use for the team repo's, but I think the personal repos will get more use | 02:12 |
kiko-afk | it's a use case, but kinda weak I feel | 02:13 |
kiko-afk | maybe you're right | 02:13 |
kiko-afk | it all hinges on | 02:13 |
kiko-afk | <LaserJock> and the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages | 02:13 |
kiko-afk | which I think is not too strong an argument. | 02:13 |
LaserJock | ?!? | 02:13 |
LaserJock | really? | 02:13 |
LaserJock | gosh that happens a lot | 02:13 |
kiko-afk | maybe you're right -- I'm musing | 02:13 |
LaserJock | that's one of my big gripes with 3rd party repos | 02:13 |
LaserJock | is they're full of disjointed stuff | 02:14 |
LaserJock | and it's all or nothing unless you use apt pinning | 02:14 |
kiko-afk | ISWYM | 02:14 |
LaserJock | I think the argument that they should really be in team repos is stronger than a lack of need | 02:15 |
kiko-afk | I think we're converging on agreement on this matter :) | 02:15 |
LaserJock | I just don't feel comfortable using team repos | 02:15 |
LaserJock | but maybe it's somewhat of a corner case for me | 02:15 |
LaserJock | cause if I'm going to do it as a team I'd probably just upload to Ubuntu | 02:16 |
LaserJock | and for like Edubuntu I'd have no idea what team I'd put it in | 02:16 |
LaserJock | I'd maybe have to create a separate team | 02:16 |
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mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 02:33 |
jml | good grief | 02:33 |
jml | it's afternoon already. | 02:33 |
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Rinchen | yikes | 02:34 |
Rinchen | that's my signal to depart | 02:34 |
Rinchen | Night folks | 02:35 |
mpt | "The operation timed out when attempting to contact bugs.launchpad.net." | 02:50 |
geser | so I'm not alone | 02:51 |
mpt | stub? | 02:51 |
geser | looks like it fixed itself | 02:52 |
mpt | hooray | 02:52 |
stub | I'm getting stuffed connections to the datacentre | 02:52 |
mpt | stub, yes, lost IRC too | 02:53 |
LaserJock | that sounds fun | 02:53 |
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ajmitch | after some waiting | 02:54 |
ajmitch | mtr shows nothing unusual, at least | 02:54 |
thumper | mpt: quick question for you | 02:54 |
LaserJock | everything looks fine to me, u.c lp.net wiki.u.c | 02:55 |
ajmitch | hopefully it was just a quick problem, just as quickly resolved | 02:55 |
LaserJock | maybe elmo stopped peddling for a second | 02:55 |
LaserJock | :-) | 02:55 |
thumper | mpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk , if you look at the caption on the table at the top, bit breaks over two lines when there is ample space | 02:56 |
mpt | thumper, the answer is "siege" | 02:56 |
mpt | oh | 02:56 |
thumper | I've got a patch that wraps that in a whitespace nowrap | 02:56 |
thumper | are you ok with that? | 02:56 |
thumper | I've been told to check | 02:56 |
mpt | One moment, I'll look | 02:56 |
thumper | personally I perfer it all on one line | 02:56 |
thumper | if I stretch the table out it looks silly | 02:57 |
thumper | I messed around resizing my browser to check | 02:57 |
mpt | Using whitespace nowrap would be intolerant of narrow windows (assuming a future Launchpad design that doesn't require so much width) | 02:58 |
thumper | and it seems that the minimum width that the page formats itself to is ample to contain the unwrapped text | 02:58 |
mpt | and "These URLs are intended for use with the Bazaar version control system" is a bit gratuitously vague anyway | 02:58 |
mpt | so | 02:58 |
thumper | remove it? | 02:58 |
thumper | I've never really liked it | 02:59 |
mpt | I suggest replacing that caption with a subset of what I suggested for the bzr+ssh: advertisement bug | 02:59 |
mpt | Just without the bzr+ssh: URLs, of course | 02:59 |
thumper | mpt: I'll take another look at it | 02:59 |
mpt | Download URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum | 03:00 |
mpt | Example: bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum | 03:00 |
thumper | okey dokie | 03:00 |
thumper | I think that is much clearer | 03:00 |
mpt | As an added bonus, it will also work better in Internet Explorer | 03:00 |
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mpt | which insists on putting table <caption>s above the table rather than below | 03:01 |
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thumper | ok | 03:01 |
thumper | thanks for your input | 03:01 |
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cprov | LaserJock: yes, I do, assuming that "LP teams are cheap" | 03:32 |
LaserJock | as long as you guys think so | 03:33 |
cprov | LaserJock: OTOH, I think multiple PPAs per person is a feasible idea and could be handy to avoid multiple teams maintenance overhead | 03:35 |
cprov | depends how much we want it. do you already have anything in mind ? | 03:36 |
ajmitch | is bazaar.lp.net not redirecting to code.lp.net properly? | 03:36 |
ajmitch | https://code.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works, but https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool was giving a strange error | 03:36 |
spiv | ajmitch: it's *http://bazaar.launchpad.net/... | 03:38 |
spiv | i.e. *http* | 03:38 |
ajmitch | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 03:39 |
ajmitch | sorry, I'd just edited the url when pasting there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool gave the error | 03:39 |
ajmitch | The requested URL /00/00/10/d0 was not found on this server. | 03:40 |
spiv | Hmm! | 03:40 |
LaserJock | cprov: well, let's see how it goes and how many requests | 03:40 |
spiv | But http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works. How bizarre. | 03:40 |
LaserJock | cprov: it'd be nice for me but not critical and I might be sort of a corner case | 03:40 |
ajmitch | quite | 03:40 |
cprov | LaserJock: what's your use-case, for instance ? | 03:41 |
LaserJock | well, I have many interests | 03:41 |
LaserJock | Chemistry, Education, etc. | 03:41 |
LaserJock | and I don't want to make somebody who's interested in just one group upgrade to everything I have in my repo | 03:42 |
LaserJock | granted, I don't have anything in my PPA presently | 03:42 |
LaserJock | but I'm planning ;-) | 03:42 |
cprov | LaserJock: I see, the upgrade concern is legit | 03:43 |
LaserJock | and for me too | 03:44 |
LaserJock | if I want to use somebody's ppa but they're doing all kinds of stuff | 03:44 |
LaserJock | I gotta just pick out individual .debs or use apt pinning | 03:44 |
LaserJock | on the other hand | 03:44 |
LaserJock | if I've grouping by subject, maybe it's appropriate to have a team | 03:45 |
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LaserJock | but I view PPA as *my* stuff | 03:45 |
LaserJock | gotta run | 03:45 |
ajmitch | cprov: there's currently a 1GB limit on PPAs, right? | 03:47 |
ajmitch | I guess some people could upload more than this if they had team PPAs (and a lot of patience) | 03:47 |
cprov | ajmitch: yes, there is | 03:48 |
cprov | :) | 03:48 |
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LongPointyStick | lifeless: you around? | 04:49 |
lifeless | no | 04:49 |
LongPointyStick | awww | 04:49 |
LongPointyStick | how are you getting in the city tonight, and when are you leaving? | 04:49 |
lifeless | leaving around 4ish | 04:49 |
LongPointyStick | bah. ok | 04:49 |
lifeless | have to take a printer to the city to give to a needy person | 04:49 |
LongPointyStick | fair enough | 04:49 |
lifeless | then sit in a pub until slug (the Red Oak) | 04:49 |
lifeless | training in | 04:50 |
LongPointyStick | right | 04:50 |
LongPointyStick | ok | 04:51 |
LongPointyStick | hmm. | 04:52 |
thumper | ajmitch: your errors are due to us attempting to tie down the apache server | 04:52 |
thumper | ajmitch: for bazaar.launchpad.net | 04:52 |
thumper | it shouldn't be giving 404's and we should fix it | 04:52 |
thumper | ajmitch: do you want to file a bug? on launchpad-bazaar? | 04:52 |
ajmitch | sure | 04:52 |
thumper | thanks | 04:52 |
lifeless | LongPointyStick: so are you coming to slug | 05:12 |
LongPointyStick | lifeless: unsure. | 05:13 |
LongPointyStick | i have a prac that finishes at 5, at the earliest | 05:13 |
ubotu | New bug: #136274 in launchpad "Too much space between <h1> and <h2>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136274 | 05:15 |
mpt | aaaaaagh | 05:15 |
mpt | "Hi, i saw your reply on Bug #1 and this is a personal reply." | 05:15 |
mpt | No, sir, it's broadcast to all the bug's subscribers | 05:16 |
lifeless | rotfl | 05:23 |
ubotu | New bug: #136275 in launchpad-bazaar "Unexpected 404 error on bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136275 | 05:30 |
ajmitch | thumper: there you go ^^ | 05:31 |
thumper | ajmitch: thanks | 05:43 |
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ed__ | hello | 05:55 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136289 in soyuz "Ubuntu PPAs page it reaching timeout" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136289 | 07:55 |
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carlos | morning | 08:44 |
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shirish | anybody up? | 10:01 |
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thumper | yes | 10:02 |
shirish | thumper: cool, I have a query but about bzr | 10:03 |
shirish | I have checked out some program, it did the checkout & said build by itself, do I need to do make clean, make & make install or not? | 10:04 |
Fujitsu | shirish: Erm......... how's that a bzr question? | 10:05 |
shirish | Fujitsu: I am using bzr for the first time from launchpad | 10:06 |
shirish | I haven't used bzr ever before, so dunno how to use it or what is to be done. | 10:06 |
Fujitsu | How does the build process have the tiniest scrap of a relationship to bzr or LP? | 10:06 |
shirish | Fujitsu: I dunno but this seemed the place, if you can tell me the proper place/channel to ask this query, please tell me so. | 10:07 |
Fujitsu | It's entirely application dependent........ | 10:07 |
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shirish | Fujitsu: thanx for the feedback | 10:08 |
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ajmitch | well that was fun :) | 10:10 |
Fujitsu | Quite. | 10:10 |
Fujitsu | What the? | 10:10 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | this seems kinda silly to ask - how to i unsubscribe from a bug? | 11:06 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i'm not in the subscribers, but it appears in the list of bugs when i sort them in my profile | 11:06 |
carlos | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe you are subscribed from a team you are member of | 11:07 |
Kamping_Kaiser | carlos, not that i can see | 11:08 |
carlos | Kamping_Kaiser: did you add a comment to it? | 11:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | yes. | 11:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | does that mean its in the list for good? | 11:09 |
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Fujitsu | Kamping_Kaiser: That list shows all related bugs by default, which from 9 days ago includes commented bugs. | 11:09 |
Kamping_Kaiser | oh... yay :\ | 11:10 |
Fujitsu | Why is this a problem? | 11:11 |
Kamping_Kaiser | because i've placed comments in lots of bugs i dont particularly care to know about (anymore) | 11:12 |
Fujitsu | Commenting is rather different from all the other categories, so it would probably be nice to have a view without it... hmm... | 11:13 |
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gnomefreak | have we moved out of dogfood PPA yet? | 11:22 |
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gnomefreak | are the packages on dogfood gonna be removed? | 12:32 |
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Kmos | cprov: that's for you | 12:33 |
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jayp | Is launchpad down for maintenance? None planned on the website | 12:41 |
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jayp | back up again just there now ! :) | 12:43 |
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Fujitsu | gnomefreak: They will not be migrated to production, but I believe dogfood will stay alive for a little while. | 12:45 |
gnomefreak | k i knew i couldnt transfer but i would like to start versioning with mt1 again and wondered when dogfood accounts would be removed | 12:46 |
kiko | paradise! | 12:48 |
Fujitsu | Hi kiko. | 12:48 |
kiko | hey Fujitsu | 12:50 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136343 in soyuz "For team PPAs, how can you tell who uploaded the package?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136343 | 01:30 |
cprov | gnomefreak: yes, they will be dropped at some point (in one or two weeks) | 01:34 |
gnomefreak | ok ty cprov | 01:35 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136348 in malone ""Report bug" button disappears if images disabled [Konqueror] " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136348 | 02:00 |
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jordi | *woa* | 02:47 |
jordi | this PPA stuff is really great! | 02:47 |
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gnomefreak | it is pps.launchpad.net? | 02:56 |
gnomefreak | ppa* | 02:56 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: Yes. | 02:57 |
gnomefreak | bad thing (maybe bug) if you have binaries in the same place you have changes file it uploads binaries as well | 02:57 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: It should reject them... | 02:58 |
Daviey | It's the lack of signing that is the real big bug imo | 02:58 |
gnomefreak | ok than i will continue it | 02:58 |
gnomefreak | ill let you know if it does or not | 02:59 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: ie. you will need to upload the _source.changes, like you do for anything else vaguely related to Ubuntu. | 02:59 |
gnomefreak | Fujitsu: yes and it takes the orig the dsc diff and binaries. i had to build binaries to satisfy depends | 02:59 |
Fujitsu | O_o what? | 03:00 |
Fujitsu | Building a source package requires fewer deps, not more... | 03:01 |
gnomefreak | for firefox-trunk we use a newer nss and nspr along with xulrunner | 03:01 |
gnomefreak | i assumed i had to build with the newer packages installed as always had to | 03:02 |
jordi | ah if you need deps not available in the builder, I guess things get complicated | 03:03 |
Fujitsu | You need to build/upload a _source.changes, the same as for REVU or normal Ubuntu. | 03:04 |
gnomefreak | yep but thats why i built new versions of them installed the binaries i needed and uploaded as normal | 03:04 |
gnomefreak | yep it rejects everything :( | 03:06 |
gnomefreak | ok i move binaries and try again | 03:06 |
Fujitsu | No, you upload the _source.changes, not move the binaries out of the way. | 03:07 |
gnomefreak | Fujitsu: i know and it failed to upload everything because it took binaries with iit | 03:07 |
gnomefreak | it | 03:07 |
Fujitsu | Because you uploaded the _i386.changes. | 03:08 |
gnomefreak | Upload is binaryful, but policy refuses binaryful uploads. | 03:08 |
gnomefreak | Upload is source/binary but policy refuses mixed uploads. | 03:08 |
gnomefreak | dput -f ppa-mt nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070820-0ubuntu1~mt1_i386.changes | 03:08 |
gnomefreak | has always worked before | 03:09 |
Fujitsu | Are you sure? That's wrong. | 03:11 |
gnomefreak | ah i see because i built binary it gave me _386.changes | 03:11 |
gnomefreak | i rebuild sources and i get the right onw | 03:11 |
gnomefreak | one | 03:11 |
Fujitsu | That is what I said, yes. | 03:11 |
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Hobbsee | oh dear, edge seems to be behaving even slower than the regular LP | 03:12 |
Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I find it always is. | 03:12 |
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Hobbsee | gnomefreak: i set it via an alias | 03:12 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: cool ill try that sometime today :) | 03:14 |
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seb128 | hi | 03:39 |
seb128 | "The bug tracker at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ isn't registered in Launchpad. You need to register it before you can link any bugs to it." | 03:39 |
seb128 | is that normal? | 03:40 |
mwhudson | it appears to be registered as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ | 03:41 |
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seb128 | mwhudson: so I can't add a watch to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251012 ? | 03:42 |
ubotu | Red Hat bug 251012 in gnome-panel "Recent Documents doesn't work." [Medium,Assigned: ] - Assigned to Ray Strode | 03:42 |
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seb128 | mwhudson: thanks, adding a "bugzilla" in the middle of the URL worked | 03:44 |
Kmos | seb128: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers -> add it to bookmarks | 03:45 |
seb128 | Kmos: thanks but I'm enough bookmark and adding a bugzilla.redhat.com URL should work without hacking | 03:46 |
seb128 | s/I'm enough/I've enough | 03:46 |
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ti4mi | Hello | 03:47 |
mwhudson | seb128: it looks like the bugtracker record should be updated | 03:47 |
ti4mi | how can I remove a test branch I submitted to launchpad? | 03:47 |
seb128 | mwhudson: can you do that? | 03:47 |
mwhudson | hm, it looks like i can, surprisingly enough (i'm not an admin) | 03:48 |
Kmos | mwhudson: if you removed the bugzilla from the end of it, it won't work | 03:49 |
Kmos | *remove | 03:49 |
mwhudson | Kmos: ? | 03:49 |
mwhudson | Kmos: bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla urls are redirecting to bugzilla.redhat.com | 03:49 |
Kmos | that have changed so | 03:50 |
Kmos | i've updated it | 03:50 |
Kmos | it's working fine now | 03:50 |
ti4mi | may I repeat my question? | 03:52 |
ti4mi | How does one delete a brach from https://code.launchpad.net/+junk/foo | 03:53 |
Kmos | ti4mi: bzr help remove | 03:53 |
Kmos | ti4mi: bzr help remove-tree | 03:54 |
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ti4mi | thanks Kmos | 03:56 |
ti4mi | I get the error: | 03:56 |
ti4mi | bzr: ERROR: No working tree to remove | 03:56 |
ti4mi | PLZ tell me if I have to switch to the bzr IRC channel | 03:57 |
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mwhudson | ti4mi: on the branch index page | 03:58 |
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mwhudson | there should be an action 'delete branch' on the left | 03:58 |
ti4mi | there's only | 04:00 |
ti4mi | * Change branch details, * Browse code, * Change registrant, * Subscribe, * Subscribe someone else, * View branch associations, * Register merge proposal | 04:00 |
mwhudson | hm | 04:06 |
mwhudson | what is the branch? | 04:06 |
ti4mi | https://code.launchpad.net/~timmie/+junk/test | 04:06 |
mwhudson | ah, hm | 04:07 |
ti4mi | I just did it following a article in fullcircle which explains very well to get code into launchpad. | 04:07 |
mwhudson | certainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch | 04:07 |
ti4mi | Therefore I wanted to clean off after my text was successful | 04:07 |
mwhudson | ti4mi: sadly, you can't, yet | 04:08 |
ti4mi | off after my text was successful => should be "...off after my /test/ was successful* | 04:09 |
ti4mi | I now used bzr uncommit LOCATION to at least clean off the junk files there... | 04:10 |
ti4mi | certainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch => does that mean we have a bug in launchpad here? | 04:11 |
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Hobbsee | cpro1: for .orig.tar.gz's in ubuntu, i still have to upload teh same tarball to ppa, right? | 04:23 |
Hobbsee | it doesnt copy over? | 04:23 |
cpro1 | Hobbsee: yes, the first upload to PPA must contain the orig, despite of it being already available in primary ubuntu archive. | 04:25 |
Hobbsee | cprov: damn. | 04:25 |
Hobbsee | cprov: i need a faster uplink. | 04:25 |
cprov | or smaller origs | 04:25 |
Hobbsee | mmm...that'd be nice | 04:26 |
Hobbsee | it's only 15mb | 04:26 |
cprov | ;) | 04:26 |
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Fujitsu | Will PPA be getting overrides/removals in the near future? | 04:35 |
ti4mi | Hello | 04:36 |
Hobbsee | Fujitsu: overrides and such is manual, so i'd be surprised | 04:36 |
ti4mi | just wanna report that I was able to delete the branch | 04:36 |
ti4mi | but only when I emptied it via many bzr uncommit | 04:37 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136388 in soyuz "Redundancy in breadcrumbs and context of +archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136388 | 04:56 |
ubotu | New bug: #136390 in soyuz "(Non-)PPA builders are not easily distinguishable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136390 | 04:56 |
Rinchen | ti4mi, thanks, I'll pass that on. | 04:56 |
ti4mi | I created a comment on the bug: | 05:00 |
ti4mi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2141/comments/10 | 05:00 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Low,Confirmed] | 05:00 |
ti4mi | Is that OKI for you? | 05:00 |
ubotu | New bug: #136391 in malone "ExternalBugTracker.updateBugWatches() behaviour needs altering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136391 | 05:01 |
ubotu | New bug: #136392 in launchpad "`Codes of Conduct' inappropriate title for Actions item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136392 | 05:01 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136394 in launchpad "Inconsistent verbs in +me's Actions portlet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136394 | 05:06 |
Rinchen | ti4mi, that's appears to be a different problem though. I've emailed the appropriate people and they should look at it later today. | 05:10 |
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ti4mi | OKI. | 05:10 |
ti4mi | Thank you all for helping and answering my questions. C U | 05:11 |
Rinchen | er, sorry, ti4mi, they'll look at it Monday. :-) | 05:11 |
Rinchen | I forgot about timezones. | 05:11 |
ti4mi | I am fine with it. | 05:12 |
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cbx33 | hi peeps | 05:19 |
cbx33 | I'm just beta testing ppa | 05:19 |
cbx33 | i just uploaded a package | 05:19 |
cbx33 | how long till LP realises it's there? | 05:19 |
cbx33 | also can i delete it? | 05:19 |
cbx33 | and replace with another version | 05:19 |
Fujitsu | Publisher runs every 20 minutes, and you can't currently delete it. | 05:19 |
Fujitsu | Though LP should send you an accepted/rejected email after the next 5-minutely check. | 05:20 |
Fujitsu | You can upload a higher version, but the older ones currently stick around. | 05:20 |
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gnomefreak | i have a feeling either PPA or LP died | 05:24 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: Works for me... I had something published 4 minutes ago, and built 2 minutes ago. | 05:24 |
Hobbsee | well, it attempted to build amarok, so was alive | 05:24 |
gnomefreak | ive been uploading same source for over an hour and its a small package afaik | 05:24 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: ls -l is your friend. | 05:24 |
gnomefreak | hmmmmm | 05:25 |
ubotu | New bug: #136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136399 | 05:25 |
gnomefreak | why would i list files if its stuck uploading | 05:25 |
Fujitsu | To see the size. | 05:25 |
Fujitsu | And work out if it should be taking a long time or not. | 05:26 |
gnomefreak | Uploading to ppa-mt (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.dsc: done. xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz: | 05:26 |
cbx33 | ok | 05:26 |
cbx33 | darn | 05:26 |
cbx33 | thanks Fujitsu | 05:26 |
gnomefreak | 40065992 that is huge | 05:26 |
Fujitsu | Yeah, 40MB will take a little while. | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | hmmmmmm wonder why so big | 05:27 |
kiko | it's almost a whole mozilla isn't it? | 05:28 |
gnomefreak | that explains the why it wont upload | 05:28 |
gnomefreak | kiko: seems like it i think ff orig.tar is like 35m | 05:28 |
Fujitsu | gnomefreak: It will upload, just it'll take a loooong time. | 05:28 |
gnomefreak | this is a frigging depend | 05:28 |
Fujitsu | My mirror says the current gutsy xulrunner is 42MB, so it's about right. | 05:28 |
gnomefreak | Fujitsu: yeah at <100kbps it will be a long while | 05:29 |
gnomefreak | hmmmmmm | 05:29 |
Fujitsu | Mhm. | 05:29 |
Fujitsu | Right, it's 0130, and I should be off to bed. No more LP bug-filing for me tonight :( | 05:29 |
gnomefreak | Fujitsu: GOOD NIGHT | 05:30 |
gnomefreak | damn | 05:30 |
gnomefreak | sorry for caps | 05:30 |
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Fujitsu | Goodnight. | 05:30 |
cbx33 | good night Fujitsu | 05:31 |
Fujitsu | Night cbx33. | 05:31 |
cbx33 | hey guys is it a bug in the mail send out | 05:31 |
cbx33 | says a mail will be sent to feisty changes | 05:32 |
cbx33 | surely not | 05:32 |
cbx33 | "Announcing to feisty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com" | 05:34 |
kiko | cpro1, hmmm | 05:34 |
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cpro1 | cbx33: it's misleasding, ppa uploads announcements are not sent to @changes ML | 05:38 |
cpro1 | cbx33: could you please file a bug about it ? | 05:38 |
cbx33 | of course | 05:39 |
cbx33 | i noticed a type in the the docs too | 05:39 |
cbx33 | bug #136406 | 05:44 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136406 | 05:44 |
Hobbsee | cbx33: mine works here | 05:44 |
Hobbsee | == | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | Announcing to celso.providelo@gmail.com | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu. | 05:45 |
cbx33 | oooh | 05:46 |
cbx33 | I'm still waiting for my first package to build | 05:47 |
cbx33 | :( | 05:47 |
Hobbsee | it's to gutsy | 05:47 |
cbx33 | it uploaded ok | 05:47 |
cbx33 | ahhh | 05:47 |
cbx33 | :( | 05:47 |
cbx33 | it's not in the build queue | 05:47 |
ubotu | New bug: #136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136406 | 05:51 |
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doko | should it be possible to make ppas dependent on other ppas? | 06:00 |
doko | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas times out | 06:00 |
kiko-phone | doko, the latter is a known problem, we've got a patch waiting to be cherry-picked | 06:01 |
kiko-phone | doko, not currently -- you need to use a team PPA for that. | 06:01 |
cbx33 | is there a way to see the queue for a machine? | 06:02 |
kiko-phone | cbx33, for a builder? | 06:02 |
cbx33 | yeh | 06:02 |
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cprov | doko: team ppas, sort of workaround this use-case, but it doesn't avoid the unnecessary package duplication | 06:03 |
doko | kiko-phone: just wanted to make a new gcc default in ~toolchain, and then use that one in my own ppa | 06:03 |
cprov | doko: file a bug about this situation we can discuss it later as a enhancement | 06:03 |
doko | ok | 06:03 |
kiko-phone | https://launchpad.net/+builds | 06:04 |
cbx33 | kiko-phone, that shows the current builds | 06:04 |
cbx33 | but not the queue | 06:04 |
cbx33 | how do i see where my package is? | 06:04 |
ubotu | New bug: #136408 in blueprint "Missing scope option causes blueprint search form to OOPS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136408 | 06:05 |
kiko-phone | cbx33, hmmm. cprov? | 06:06 |
cbx33 | Queued: 32 minutes ago | 06:06 |
cbx33 | Build score: 1005 | 06:06 |
cbx33 | i mean | 06:06 |
cbx33 | I'm a patient person...I can wait | 06:06 |
cbx33 | but some people will be thinking....will it ever get built - would be nice to see where in the queue they are | 06:06 |
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ivoks | regardin ppa, which i'm testing today... | 06:09 |
cprov | cbx33: actually, you can't find your position in queue precisely because jobs are attached on-the-fly | 06:09 |
cbx33 | ahh | 06:10 |
cbx33 | cprov, makes sense | 06:10 |
cbx33 | so there isn't a queue | 06:10 |
ivoks | does it have to send email to original maintainer of package? if i'm building patched version of ubuntu package, i don't think maintainer will be happy to recive mails about every build :) | 06:10 |
cbx33 | just a list of jobs to do | 06:10 |
kiko-phone | cprov, is ivoks actually right there? | 06:11 |
ivoks | maybe it's just conincidence? | 06:12 |
ivoks | does cjw gets mail about every upload? | 06:12 |
cprov | kiko-phone: we do not send anything to the maintainer of the package, only to the uploader. | 06:14 |
ivoks | ummm... | 06:14 |
ivoks | To: Ante Karamati <ivoks@blah.com>, Colin Watson <cjwatson@blah.com> | 06:14 |
kiko-phone | cprov, ^ | 06:14 |
ubotu | New bug: #136413 in soyuz "make it possible to let ppas depend on other ppas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136413 | 06:15 |
cprov | kiko-phone: unless, something went wrong during the last changes we made in this area (checking the code) | 06:16 |
cprov | ivoks: err, you are right, file a bug, please | 06:17 |
ivoks | ok | 06:18 |
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cbx33 | :( 50 minutes | 06:25 |
cbx33 | heh | 06:25 |
cbx33 | Changes file: not available | 06:27 |
cbx33 | didn't i upload that? | 06:27 |
cprov | cbx33: url ? | 06:29 |
ubotu | New bug: #136418 in soyuz "[ppa] Report email is sent to original maintainer and uploader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136418 | 06:30 |
ubotu | New bug: #136420 in soyuz "support of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=<n> on the buildds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136420 | 06:30 |
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cbx33 | https://launchpad.net/~petesavage/+archive/+build/382560 | 06:32 |
LaserJock | is there a +queue for the PPA builders? | 06:32 |
cbx33 | cprov, there ya go | 06:32 |
LaserJock | pfft | 06:32 |
cbx33 | LaserJock, no | 06:32 |
cbx33 | it's built on the fly | 06:32 |
cbx33 | ;) | 06:32 |
LaserJock | cbx33: what are you doing here?!?! | 06:32 |
cbx33 | hahah | 06:32 |
cbx33 | i should be asking you the same question | 06:33 |
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LaserJock | heah man, no group meeting ;-) | 06:33 |
cprov | cbx33: you won't have a changesfile for the binary upload until it is built ... | 06:35 |
ubotu | New bug: #136422 in malone "bug tags are not inherited" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136422 | 06:36 |
cbx33 | AHHH I SEE | 06:36 |
cbx33 | thanks cprov | 06:36 |
cbx33 | 1 hours ago | 06:36 |
cbx33 | come on | 06:36 |
cprov | cbx33: yup, np | 06:36 |
cbx33 | 1 hour ago | 06:36 |
cbx33 | ;) | 06:36 |
LaserJock | is an email sent out when a PPA build finishes? | 06:38 |
ubotu | New bug: #136424 in launchpad "Side bar does't work properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136424 | 06:46 |
cprov | LaserJock: no, only when the build fails | 06:47 |
LaserJock | cprov: so if we can't see a build queue, and we don't get an email | 06:48 |
LaserJock | we just have to sit there reloading the individual build pages :-) | 06:48 |
cprov | LaserJock: or do some other work ;) | 06:48 |
LaserJock | well, that is work | 06:49 |
cprov | LaserJock: kidding, it's a deficiency of the current system | 06:49 |
LaserJock | I was kidding too ;-) | 06:49 |
LaserJock | I just wondered | 06:49 |
cprov | LaserJock: 'launchpad buildd watcher' position ... | 06:49 |
LaserJock | haha | 06:49 |
LaserJock | dude, I could get hired to watch the buildd's and email people | 06:50 |
LaserJock | that's actually how Launchpad runs | 06:50 |
cprov | LaserJock: it would be nice to ask user what they would like more, email or RSS | 06:50 |
LaserJock | there's no DB, it's just little monkey's running around in the DC | 06:50 |
LaserJock | cprov: RSS would be very sweet | 06:50 |
cprov | LaserJock: lol | 06:50 |
LaserJock | cprov: long term do you guys have any plans to have PPA usage statistics? like how many times a package was downloaded? | 06:51 |
cprov | LaserJock: not really, since PPA are served from a external plain httpd ... | 06:52 |
LaserJock | k, just wondered | 06:53 |
iwj | Maybe I should mention this here instead. LP just told me "Launchpad is currently offline for maintenance" | 06:53 |
cprov | LaserJock: maybe we can get stats over 'dgetable' and "apt-firefox-handler" instalations | 06:53 |
mayeco | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas -> Timeout error OOPS-608A1269 | 06:54 |
ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/608A1269 | 06:54 |
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ubotu | New bug: #136431 in launchpad "falsely claims lp is offline for maintenance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136431 | 07:05 |
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cbx33 | come on:( almost 2 hours now | 07:26 |
cbx33 | hehe | 07:26 |
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synic | alright you bzr people, after a "bzr update", how can I find out what files were changed? | 08:02 |
LaserJock | synic: there's also #bzr for bzr questions :-) | 08:05 |
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cbx33 | is it better to have a low or high build score? | 08:27 |
cbx33 | Build score: 295 | 08:27 |
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cprov-lunch | cbx33: depends what do you mean by "better" ... build-score ~ priority, higher build-scores will be processed first | 08:54 |
cbx33 | darn | 08:55 |
cbx33 | i know they go up to 1000 | 08:55 |
kiko-phone | heh | 08:55 |
cbx33 | i'm at 200 now | 08:55 |
cbx33 | hehe | 08:55 |
kiko-phone | it goes up as time goes by | 08:55 |
kiko-phone | just like in casablanca | 08:55 |
cbx33 | w00t | 08:55 |
cbx33 | one of my packages just built | 08:55 |
cbx33 | thanks everyone | 08:57 |
cbx33 | two minutes to build | 08:57 |
cbx33 | must be tiny | 08:57 |
cbx33 | hehe | 08:57 |
cbx33 | typo - Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel. | 09:06 |
cbx33 | Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload your package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel. | 09:06 |
cbx33 | you and your! | 09:06 |
kiko-phone | cbx33, I think you can fix this, right? | 09:10 |
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kiko | damned ghosts | 09:10 |
cbx33 | I am not allowed to edit this page | 09:11 |
cbx33 | anyone willing to make me able to? | 09:11 |
kiko | cbx33, are you not logged into the wiki? | 09:12 |
cbx33 | oh | 09:12 |
cbx33 | hehe | 09:12 |
cbx33 | probably | 09:12 |
kiko | fixed | 09:12 |
cbx33 | bah | 09:14 |
cbx33 | beaten to it | 09:14 |
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cbx33 | why do ppa's fail to upload?? | 09:33 |
cbx33 | it built ok | 09:33 |
synic | what does this mean? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes | 09:42 |
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cbx33 | synic, hmmm | 09:46 |
cbx33 | synic, ouch | 09:46 |
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popey | here's a question for the group | 10:04 |
cbx33 | ok | 10:04 |
popey | we have made some screencasts, and someone has created a file - which is a .srt file - a "subtitle" file, so that other people can translate it | 10:05 |
cbx33 | cool | 10:05 |
popey | would it make sense to upload that srt to lp and have it translatable there? | 10:05 |
popey | or would lp not support .srt? | 10:05 |
LaserJock | popey: you might have to convert it to a .pot first | 10:07 |
popey | is that easy/hard/dunno ? | 10:08 |
LaserJock | I guess it depends on what a .srt file looks like :-) | 10:08 |
popey | well.. | 10:08 |
popey | 1 | 10:08 |
popey | 00:00:00,462 --> 00:00:03,934 | 10:08 |
popey | Hello my name is Andrew Gee and welcome to this Ubuntu screencast. | 10:08 |
popey | lots of lines like that | 10:08 |
LaserJock | seems like that should be scriptable | 10:09 |
popey | I don't know what a .pot file looks like | 10:09 |
LaserJock | it's got some header stuff and then lines like: | 10:13 |
LaserJock | msgid "An introduction to the background and philosophy of the Ubuntu operating system." | 10:13 |
LaserJock | msgstr "" | 10:13 |
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cbx33 | hmm | 10:16 |
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cbx33 | popey, that should be scriptable enough | 10:25 |
cbx33 | wanna give me an example file | 10:25 |
cbx33 | LaserJock, got an example pot file? | 10:25 |
synic | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes <-- is anyone else getting this error? | 10:26 |
cbx33 | synic, no | 10:26 |
Rinchen | synic, hmm that's interesting | 10:26 |
synic | the repository itself is working | 10:27 |
cbx33 | yeh | 10:27 |
cbx33 | looks like something is screwing up the code browser | 10:27 |
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Rinchen | I'll pass this along. We've had some challenges with codebrowse occasionally and we've taken steps to address it. | 10:29 |
Rinchen | synic, how do you pronounce exaile? is it like exhale? | 10:30 |
synic | kinda, just without the h | 10:31 |
synic | it's named after a goa/psytrance group | 10:31 |
Rinchen | ah, that's why it always looks familiar to me :-) | 10:31 |
Rinchen | thanks | 10:31 |
synic | :) | 10:31 |
popey | cbx33: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-screencasts/2007-August/000008.html | 10:35 |
popey | check the attachment | 10:35 |
cbx33 | kk | 10:35 |
cbx33 | thanks popey | 10:38 |
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synic | heh, my karma is 4185. I guess that's what I get for writing an automatic trac2launchpad script | 10:39 |
kiko | synic, I noticed that! did you use the XMLRPC API? | 10:40 |
synic | I didn't even know there was one. I used python-mechanize | 10:40 |
kiko | synic, so exaile is pretty neat. I have a hard time with the treeview on the left, though | 10:40 |
synic | oh? How so? | 10:41 |
kiko | synic, I find it cumbersome to have to unfold artist and album to find a song | 10:41 |
cbx33 | popey, I'm on the case | 10:41 |
kiko | not totally unusable but harder to use than an expanded list | 10:41 |
kiko | hey popey | 10:41 |
synic | I never did like the expanded list thing... but I was an Amarok user for a long time | 10:42 |
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kiko | synic, so: https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC?highlight=%28xml%29 | 10:42 |
popey | yo kiko | 10:43 |
synic | damn... that would have been a lot easier. | 10:43 |
synic | oh well. | 10:43 |
kiko | synic, :) | 10:45 |
kiko | how's it going popey | 10:45 |
kiko | synic, are you going to publish trac2launchpad? | 10:45 |
synic | kiko: I might throw it up on my blog or something. | 10:45 |
popey | great kiko - looking forward to UDS :) | 10:45 |
synic | kiko: so are you an employee of canonical? Are you being payed to work on launchpad? | 10:46 |
popey | uhhhh Gutsy, _then_ UDS :) | 10:46 |
kiko | synic, very nice if you could do that -- I know a few projects that would find it useful | 10:46 |
kiko | synic, yeah, SteveA and Rinchen and I are responsible for it | 10:46 |
synic | do they pay you guys well? | 10:46 |
kiko | popey, I am scared by gutsy | 10:46 |
popey | heh | 10:46 |
popey | surely you have nothing to worry about in your nice big launchpad tower? | 10:46 |
synic | I'm just curious :) | 10:47 |
popey | far far away from all things ubuntu ;) | 10:47 |
kiko | popey, if only I could always hide in this pearly tower! they bring me down to the reality of -proposed clashing with partner clashing with rtl8139! | 10:47 |
synic | ... because if so, I'm totally jealous. | 10:47 |
popey | erk, sounds pleasant | 10:47 |
kiko | synic, it's a fun job and to get paid to work for something which is generally useful is always very cool | 10:48 |
synic | that would be right up in the "dream job" category for me | 10:48 |
kiko | so it's a dream until you wake up to 800 messages in your inbox | 10:48 |
kiko | that I need to fix | 10:48 |
synic | haha | 10:48 |
kiko | man my wifi has been so flaky these last 48h | 10:49 |
synic | I do like my current job, though. http://synic.phonese.cx/comments.php?2833 <-- our new breakroom | 10:49 |
kiko | the quality goes down and up and down.. | 10:49 |
Odd_Bloke | On a vaguely related note, do Canonical have any intern-y/uni-student-on-a-year-out type posts? | 10:49 |
kiko | Odd_Bloke, sometimes we do have intern positions, in particular for Ubuntu I think | 10:49 |
cbx33 | popey, done it | 10:50 |
cbx33 | i think | 10:50 |
cbx33 | apart from the headers etc | 10:50 |
cbx33 | want the code | 10:50 |
kiko | that is actually pretty cool | 10:50 |
Odd_Bloke | kiko: Any idea if they'd be in the UK or does it depend on the position? | 10:51 |
kiko | Odd_Bloke, I think it depends. have you checked the job openings? | 10:51 |
popey | canonical have quite a few openings IIRC | 10:52 |
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popey | mad amounts | 10:52 |
Odd_Bloke | kiko: I haven't, I'm considering it for the academic year after the next (i.e. in about a year). | 10:52 |
cbx33 | popey, http://www.pastebin.ca/677246 | 10:52 |
cbx33 | based on http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ubuntu-doc/trunk/annotate/vcs-imports%40canonical.com-20070831103409-9gul6jgryq0a7dd8?file_id=packagingguide.pot-20061107205354-37569jqxbzg4jsqs-6331 | 10:52 |
cbx33 | and on the file you gave me | 10:53 |
cbx33 | it doesn't produce the meta data | 10:53 |
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popey | how do we deal with that? | 10:53 |
cbx33 | you'll have to create it manually | 10:53 |
popey | someone needs to keep the meta data somewhere | 10:53 |
cbx33 | yes | 10:53 |
cbx33 | but i mean | 10:53 |
cbx33 | i don't know if you need it | 10:54 |
cbx33 | well | 10:54 |
popey | thats a damn file first effort! | 10:54 |
popey | we do, it's the timing info | 10:54 |
popey | doesn't need to be in lp I guess | 10:54 |
cbx33 | no | 10:54 |
cbx33 | if i understand pot files | 10:54 |
cbx33 | it should replace the lines in the srt with the lines from the pot file | 10:54 |
cbx33 | but please get someone else to confirm it;) | 10:54 |
cbx33 | hope it's useful to you | 10:58 |
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popey | you're great pete | 10:59 |
cbx33 | nah | 11:00 |
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nealmcb | in https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart it seems like the link to the packaging guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is old - would http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html be more up-to-date and official? | 11:30 |
Rinchen | hi nealmcb, let me have a look | 11:31 |
mdke_ | nealmcb: yes and no | 11:31 |
mdke_ | nealmcb: more up to date, yes; more official, not really because that link is "work in progress". We need a link to the stable version for 7.04 ideally | 11:32 |
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nealmcb | mdke_: yeah, and I didn't find one for 7.04 | 11:32 |
mdke | nealmcb: that's right, I don't think there is one. That sucks | 11:32 |
mdke | I'll sort it out | 11:32 |
nealmcb | :-) | 11:32 |
Rinchen | mdke, let me or mrevell know and we'll change the quickstart guide | 11:33 |
Rinchen | thanks | 11:33 |
nealmcb | my pleasure | 11:33 |
mdke | Rinchen: ok | 11:33 |
mdke | nealmcb: for now just follow 6.10 and make logical substitutions where appropriate; there have been few changes | 11:33 |
synic | kiko: http://www.vimtips.org/article/20/migrating-from-trac-to-launchpad | 11:44 |
kiko | synic, vimtips! | 11:45 |
synic | hehe | 11:45 |
synic | brb | 11:45 |
kiko | I'm going to use that colorschema now! | 11:45 |
ubotu | New bug: #136475 in launchpad "Search button is an image but doesn't have alt= text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136475 | 11:46 |
ubotu | New bug: #136476 in malone "Pressing Enter in bug-reporting "Summary" field doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136476 | 11:55 |
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kiko | synic, I just closed my playlist. now what? | 12:01 |
Rinchen | synic, your codebrowse issue is now fixed | 12:01 |
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Rinchen | synic, it's possible it was caused by bug 87355 | 12:02 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 87355 in launchpad-bazaar "loggerhead uses bdb" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87355 - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson) | 12:02 |
synic | kiko: are you using the bzr stuff? | 12:03 |
kiko | synic, I'm using feisty. | 12:03 |
kiko | man it's really gone. | 12:03 |
synic | kiko: oh, so exaile 0.2.8? | 12:03 |
kiko | aham | 12:04 |
mwhudson | Rinchen: it's more than possible :) | 12:04 |
kiko | isn't it weird to have to rename the tab and save it separately? | 12:04 |
synic | I just drag tracks to the playlist tab | 12:04 |
synic | btw, exaile is 0.2.10 now | 12:04 |
synic | brb, boss is trying to yack at me | 12:05 |
kiko | I drag tracks to it too, but how do you avoid losing them when you click on X by mistake? :) | 12:05 |
synic | kiko: I mean the playlists tab on the left. The tabs for the main area are just so you can have more than one open at a time. | 12:15 |
kiko | I'll get the hang of it | 12:17 |
kiko | genre is such a bong concept! | 12:18 |
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synic | bong concept? | 12:19 |
kiko | demented? :) | 12:19 |
synic | hah | 12:19 |
synic | yeah, we're probably going to put 'tags' support in | 12:20 |
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