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Kmossynic: for example, set status you need to be part of ubuntu-qa team12:53
Kmosor change bugs, be part of ubuntu bugs12:53
Kmossynic: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad12:54
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RAOFOh, cool.  My libdrm PPA build died because I'm in GMT+10 :(02:02
LaserJock?02:03
RAOFLaserJock: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9069174/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.libdrm_2.3.1%7Egit20070831-0ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz if you'd like the gory details.02:03
RAOFBut basically, configure's timestamp is in the future.  At least, for the buildd :)02:04
LaserJockI wouldn't think that would make it FTBFS02:04
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LaserJockoh, that is interesting02:05
RAOFConfigure fails with 'newly created file is older than...' :)02:05
LaserJockit would be good if all the packaging stuff was in UTC02:06
kiko-afkisn't it?02:06
LaserJockno02:06
LaserJockwe aren't02:06
LaserJockmy time stamps are in UTC-7 for instance02:06
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RAOFAnd mine are in UTC+10.02:08
Rinchenddaa, the trivial team has been fixed :-)02:09
LaserJockcprov: do you think multiple PPAs/person is really a rare use-case02:09
ddaaRinchen: thx02:09
Rinchenalthough I found another issue I'm fixing now02:09
kiko-afkLaserJock, we're not sure, but we thought so.02:10
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LaserJockI think it makes it kinda difficult if you have more than one target userbase02:10
LaserJockas people often want a group of packages, but not all02:11
kiko-afkLaserJock, what do you mean?02:11
LaserJocklike if I'm doing science packages as well as Edubuntu packages02:11
LaserJockand the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages02:11
kiko-afkLaserJock, and you wouldn't have a shared team repo?02:11
LaserJockno02:11
kiko-afkwhy not?02:11
LaserJockI want it all in my personal PPA02:11
LaserJockI don't want to have to create multiple teams just for me to separate my packages02:12
LaserJockI can definitely see the use for the team repo's, but I think the personal repos will get more use02:12
kiko-afkit's a use case, but kinda weak I feel02:13
kiko-afkmaybe you're right02:13
kiko-afkit all hinges on 02:13
kiko-afk<LaserJock> and the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages02:13
kiko-afkwhich I think is not too strong an argument.02:13
LaserJock?!?02:13
LaserJockreally?02:13
LaserJockgosh that happens a lot02:13
kiko-afkmaybe you're right -- I'm musing02:13
LaserJockthat's one of my big gripes with 3rd party repos02:13
LaserJockis they're full of disjointed stuff02:14
LaserJockand it's all or nothing unless you use apt pinning02:14
kiko-afkISWYM02:14
LaserJockI think the argument that they should really be in team repos is stronger than a lack of need02:15
kiko-afkI think we're converging on agreement on this matter :)02:15
LaserJockI just don't feel comfortable using team repos02:15
LaserJockbut maybe it's somewhat of a corner case for me02:15
LaserJockcause if I'm going to do it as a team I'd probably just upload to Ubuntu02:16
LaserJockand for like Edubuntu I'd have no idea what team I'd put it in02:16
LaserJockI'd maybe have to create a separate team02:16
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mptGoooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!02:33
jmlgood grief02:33
jmlit's afternoon already.02:33
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Rinchenyikes02:34
Rinchenthat's my signal to depart02:34
RinchenNight folks02:35
mpt"The operation timed out when attempting to contact bugs.launchpad.net."02:50
geserso I'm not alone02:51
mptstub?02:51
geserlooks like it fixed itself02:52
mpthooray02:52
stubI'm getting stuffed connections to the datacentre02:52
mptstub, yes, lost IRC too02:53
LaserJockthat sounds fun02:53
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ajmitchafter some waiting02:54
ajmitchmtr shows nothing unusual, at least02:54
thumpermpt: quick question for you02:54
LaserJockeverything looks fine to me, u.c lp.net wiki.u.c02:55
ajmitchhopefully it was just a quick problem, just as quickly resolved02:55
LaserJockmaybe elmo stopped peddling for a second02:55
LaserJock:-)02:55
thumpermpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk , if you look at the caption on the table at the top, bit breaks over two lines when there is ample space02:56
mptthumper, the answer is "siege"02:56
mptoh02:56
thumperI've got a patch that wraps that in a whitespace nowrap 02:56
thumperare you ok with that?02:56
thumperI've been told to check 02:56
mptOne moment, I'll look02:56
thumperpersonally I perfer it all on one line02:56
thumperif I stretch the table out it looks silly02:57
thumperI messed around resizing my browser to check02:57
mptUsing whitespace nowrap would be intolerant of narrow windows (assuming a future Launchpad design that doesn't require so much width)02:58
thumperand it seems that the minimum width that the page formats itself to is ample to contain the unwrapped text02:58
mptand "These URLs are intended for use with the Bazaar version control system" is a bit gratuitously vague anyway02:58
mptso02:58
thumperremove it?02:58
thumperI've never really liked it02:59
mptI suggest replacing that caption with a subset of what I suggested for the bzr+ssh: advertisement bug02:59
mptJust without the bzr+ssh: URLs, of course02:59
thumpermpt: I'll take another look at it02:59
mptDownload URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum03:00
mpt     Example: bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum03:00
thumperokey dokie03:00
thumperI think that is much clearer03:00
mptAs an added bonus, it will also work better in Internet Explorer03:00
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mptwhich insists on putting table <caption>s above the table rather than below03:01
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thumperok03:01
thumperthanks for your input03:01
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cprovLaserJock: yes, I do, assuming that "LP teams are cheap"03:32
LaserJockas long as you guys think so03:33
cprovLaserJock: OTOH, I think multiple PPAs per person is a feasible idea and could be handy to avoid multiple teams maintenance overhead03:35
cprovdepends how much we want it. do you already have anything in mind ?03:36
ajmitchis bazaar.lp.net not redirecting to code.lp.net properly? 03:36
ajmitchhttps://code.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works, but https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool was giving a strange error03:36
spivajmitch: it's *http://bazaar.launchpad.net/...03:38
spivi.e. *http*03:38
ajmitchyeah, that's what I was thinking03:39
ajmitchsorry, I'd just edited the url when pasting there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool gave the error03:39
ajmitchThe requested URL /00/00/10/d0 was not found on this server.03:40
spivHmm!03:40
LaserJockcprov: well, let's see how it goes and how many requests03:40
spivBut http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works.  How bizarre.03:40
LaserJockcprov: it'd be nice for me but not critical and I might be sort of a corner case03:40
ajmitchquite03:40
cprovLaserJock: what's your use-case, for instance ?03:41
LaserJockwell, I have many interests03:41
LaserJockChemistry, Education, etc.03:41
LaserJockand I don't want to make somebody who's interested in just one group upgrade to everything I have in my repo03:42
LaserJockgranted, I don't have anything in my PPA presently03:42
LaserJockbut I'm planning ;-)03:42
cprovLaserJock: I see, the upgrade concern is legit 03:43
LaserJockand for me too03:44
LaserJockif I want to use somebody's ppa but they're doing all kinds of stuff03:44
LaserJockI gotta just pick out individual .debs or use apt pinning03:44
LaserJockon the other hand03:44
LaserJockif I've grouping by subject, maybe it's appropriate to have a team03:45
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LaserJockbut I view PPA as *my* stuff03:45
LaserJockgotta run03:45
ajmitchcprov: there's currently a 1GB limit on PPAs, right?03:47
ajmitchI guess some people could upload more than this if they had team PPAs (and a lot of patience)03:47
cprovajmitch: yes, there is03:48
cprov:)03:48
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LongPointySticklifeless: you around?04:49
lifelessno04:49
LongPointyStickawww04:49
LongPointyStickhow are you getting in the city tonight, and when are you leaving?04:49
lifelessleaving around 4ish04:49
LongPointyStickbah.  ok04:49
lifelesshave to take a printer to the city to give to a needy person04:49
LongPointyStickfair enough04:49
lifelessthen sit in a pub until slug (the Red Oak)04:49
lifelesstraining in04:50
LongPointyStickright04:50
LongPointyStickok04:51
LongPointyStickhmm.04:52
thumperajmitch: your errors are due to us attempting to tie down the apache server04:52
thumperajmitch: for bazaar.launchpad.net04:52
thumperit shouldn't be giving 404's and we should fix it04:52
thumperajmitch: do you want to file a bug? on launchpad-bazaar?04:52
ajmitchsure04:52
thumperthanks04:52
lifelessLongPointyStick: so are you coming to slug05:12
LongPointySticklifeless: unsure.05:13
LongPointySticki have a prac that finishes at 5, at the earliest05:13
ubotuNew bug: #136274 in launchpad "Too much space between <h1> and <h2>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13627405:15
mptaaaaaagh05:15
mpt"Hi, i saw your reply on Bug #1 and this is a personal reply."05:15
mptNo, sir, it's broadcast to all the bug's subscribers05:16
lifelessrotfl05:23
ubotuNew bug: #136275 in launchpad-bazaar "Unexpected 404 error on bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13627505:30
ajmitchthumper: there you go ^^05:31
thumperajmitch: thanks05:43
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ubotuNew bug: #136289 in soyuz "Ubuntu PPAs page it reaching timeout" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13628907:55
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carlosmorning08:44
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shirishanybody up?10:01
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thumperyes10:02
shirishthumper: cool, I have a query but about bzr10:03
shirishI have checked out some program, it did the checkout & said build by itself, do I need to do make clean, make & make install or not?10:04
Fujitsushirish: Erm......... how's that a bzr question?10:05
shirishFujitsu: I am using bzr for the first time from launchpad10:06
shirishI haven't used bzr ever before, so dunno how to use it or what is to be done. 10:06
FujitsuHow does the build process have the tiniest scrap of a relationship to bzr or LP?10:06
shirishFujitsu: I dunno but this seemed the place, if you can tell me the proper place/channel to ask this query, please tell me so. 10:07
FujitsuIt's entirely application dependent........10:07
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shirishFujitsu: thanx for the feedback 10:08
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ajmitchwell that was fun :)10:10
FujitsuQuite.10:10
FujitsuWhat the?10:10
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Kamping_Kaiserthis seems kinda silly to ask - how to i unsubscribe from a bug?11:06
Kamping_Kaiseri'm not in the subscribers, but it appears in the list of bugs when i sort them in my profile11:06
carlosKamping_Kaiser: maybe you are subscribed from a team you are member of11:07
Kamping_Kaisercarlos, not that i can see11:08
carlosKamping_Kaiser: did you add a comment to it?11:08
Kamping_Kaiseryes.11:08
Kamping_Kaiserdoes that mean its in the list for good?11:09
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FujitsuKamping_Kaiser: That list shows all related bugs by default, which from 9 days ago includes commented bugs.11:09
Kamping_Kaiseroh... yay :\11:10
FujitsuWhy is this a problem?11:11
Kamping_Kaiserbecause i've placed comments in lots of bugs i dont particularly care to know about (anymore)11:12
FujitsuCommenting is rather different from all the other categories, so it would probably be nice to have a view without it... hmm...11:13
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gnomefreakhave we moved out of dogfood PPA yet?11:22
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gnomefreakare the packages on dogfood gonna be removed?12:32
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Kmoscprov: that's for you12:33
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jaypIs launchpad down for maintenance? None planned on the website12:41
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jaypback up again just there now ! :)12:43
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Fujitsugnomefreak: They will not be migrated to production, but I believe dogfood will stay alive for a little while.12:45
gnomefreakk i knew i couldnt transfer but i would like to start versioning with mt1 again and wondered when dogfood accounts would be removed12:46
kikoparadise!12:48
FujitsuHi kiko.12:48
kikohey Fujitsu 12:50
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ubotuNew bug: #136343 in soyuz "For team PPAs, how can you tell who uploaded the package?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13634301:30
cprovgnomefreak: yes, they will be dropped at some point (in one or two weeks)01:34
gnomefreakok ty cprov 01:35
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ubotuNew bug: #136348 in malone ""Report bug" button disappears if images disabled [Konqueror] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13634802:00
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jordi*woa*02:47
jordithis PPA stuff is really great!02:47
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gnomefreakit is pps.launchpad.net?02:56
gnomefreakppa*02:56
Fujitsugnomefreak: Yes.02:57
gnomefreakbad thing (maybe bug) if you have binaries in the same place you have changes file it uploads binaries as well02:57
Fujitsugnomefreak: It should reject them...02:58
DavieyIt's the lack of signing that is the real big bug imo02:58
gnomefreakok than i will continue it 02:58
gnomefreakill let you know if it does or not02:59
Fujitsugnomefreak: ie. you will need to upload the _source.changes, like you do for anything else vaguely related to Ubuntu.02:59
gnomefreakFujitsu: yes and it takes the orig the dsc diff and binaries. i had to build binaries to satisfy depends02:59
FujitsuO_o what?03:00
FujitsuBuilding a source package requires fewer deps, not more...03:01
gnomefreakfor firefox-trunk  we use a newer nss and nspr along with xulrunner03:01
gnomefreaki assumed i had to build with the newer packages installed as always had to03:02
jordiah if you need deps not available in the builder, I guess things get complicated03:03
FujitsuYou need to build/upload a _source.changes, the same as for REVU or normal Ubuntu.03:04
gnomefreakyep but thats why i built new versions of them installed the binaries i needed and uploaded as normal03:04
gnomefreakyep it rejects everything :(03:06
gnomefreakok i move binaries and try again03:06
FujitsuNo, you upload the _source.changes, not move the binaries out of the way.03:07
gnomefreakFujitsu: i know and it failed to upload everything because it took binaries with iit03:07
gnomefreakit03:07
FujitsuBecause you uploaded the _i386.changes.03:08
gnomefreakUpload is binaryful, but policy refuses binaryful uploads.03:08
gnomefreakUpload is source/binary but policy refuses mixed uploads.03:08
gnomefreakdput -f ppa-mt nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070820-0ubuntu1~mt1_i386.changes03:08
gnomefreakhas always worked before03:09
FujitsuAre you sure? That's wrong.03:11
gnomefreakah i see because i built binary it gave me _386.changes03:11
gnomefreaki rebuild sources and i get the right onw03:11
gnomefreakone03:11
FujitsuThat is what I said, yes.03:11
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Hobbseeoh dear, edge seems to be behaving even slower than the regular LP03:12
FujitsuHobbsee: I find it always is.03:12
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Hobbseegnomefreak: i set it via an alias03:12
gnomefreakHobbsee: cool ill try that sometime today :)03:14
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seb128hi03:39
seb128"The bug tracker at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ isn't registered in Launchpad. You need to register it before you can link any bugs to it."03:39
seb128is that normal?03:40
mwhudsonit appears to be registered as  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/03:41
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seb128mwhudson: so I can't add a watch to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251012 ?03:42
ubotuRed Hat bug 251012 in gnome-panel "Recent Documents doesn't work." [Medium,Assigned: ]   - Assigned to Ray Strode03:42
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seb128mwhudson: thanks, adding a "bugzilla" in the middle of the URL worked03:44
Kmosseb128: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers -> add it to bookmarks03:45
seb128Kmos: thanks but I'm enough bookmark and adding a bugzilla.redhat.com URL should work without hacking03:46
seb128s/I'm enough/I've enough03:46
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ti4miHello03:47
mwhudsonseb128: it looks like the bugtracker record should be updated03:47
ti4mihow can I remove a test branch I submitted to launchpad?03:47
seb128mwhudson: can you do that?03:47
mwhudsonhm, it looks like i can, surprisingly enough (i'm not an admin)03:48
Kmosmwhudson: if you removed the bugzilla from the end of it, it won't work03:49
Kmos*remove03:49
mwhudsonKmos: ?03:49
mwhudsonKmos: bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla urls are redirecting to bugzilla.redhat.com03:49
Kmosthat have changed so03:50
Kmosi've updated it03:50
Kmosit's working fine now03:50
ti4mimay I repeat my question?03:52
ti4miHow does one delete a brach from https://code.launchpad.net/+junk/foo03:53
Kmosti4mi: bzr help remove03:53
Kmosti4mi: bzr help remove-tree03:54
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ti4mithanks Kmos03:56
ti4miI get the error:03:56
ti4mibzr: ERROR: No working tree to remove03:56
ti4miPLZ tell me if I have to switch to the bzr IRC channel03:57
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mwhudsonti4mi: on the branch index page03:58
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mwhudsonthere should be an action 'delete branch' on the left03:58
ti4mithere's only04:00
ti4mi*   Change branch details,     * Browse code,     * Change registrant,     * Subscribe,     * Subscribe someone else,     * View branch associations,     * Register merge proposal04:00
mwhudsonhm04:06
mwhudsonwhat is the branch?04:06
ti4mihttps://code.launchpad.net/~timmie/+junk/test04:06
mwhudsonah, hm04:07
ti4miI just did it following a article in fullcircle which explains very well to get code into launchpad.04:07
mwhudsoncertainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch04:07
ti4miTherefore I wanted to clean off after my text was successful04:07
mwhudsonti4mi: sadly, you can't, yet04:08
ti4mioff after my text was successful => should be "...off after my /test/ was successful*04:09
ti4miI now used bzr uncommit LOCATION to at least clean off the junk files there...04:10
ti4micertainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch => does that mean we have a bug in launchpad here?04:11
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Hobbseecpro1: for .orig.tar.gz's in ubuntu, i still have to upload teh same tarball to ppa, right?04:23
Hobbseeit doesnt copy over?04:23
cpro1Hobbsee: yes, the first upload to PPA must contain the orig, despite of it being already available in primary ubuntu archive.04:25
Hobbseecprov: damn.04:25
Hobbseecprov: i need a faster uplink.04:25
cprovor smaller origs04:25
Hobbseemmm...that'd be nice04:26
Hobbseeit's only 15mb04:26
cprov;)04:26
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FujitsuWill PPA be getting overrides/removals in the near future?04:35
ti4miHello04:36
HobbseeFujitsu: overrides and such is manual, so i'd be surprised04:36
ti4mijust wanna report that I was able to delete the branch04:36
ti4mibut only when I emptied it via many bzr uncommit04:37
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ubotuNew bug: #136388 in soyuz "Redundancy in breadcrumbs and context of +archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13638804:56
ubotuNew bug: #136390 in soyuz "(Non-)PPA builders are not easily distinguishable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13639004:56
Rinchenti4mi, thanks, I'll pass that on.04:56
ti4miI created a comment on the bug:05:00
ti4mihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2141/comments/1005:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Low,Confirmed]  05:00
ti4miIs that OKI for you?05:00
ubotuNew bug: #136391 in malone "ExternalBugTracker.updateBugWatches() behaviour needs altering" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13639105:01
ubotuNew bug: #136392 in launchpad "`Codes of Conduct' inappropriate title for Actions item" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13639205:01
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ubotuNew bug: #136394 in launchpad "Inconsistent verbs in +me's Actions portlet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13639405:06
Rinchenti4mi, that's appears to be a different problem though. I've emailed the appropriate people and they should look at it later today.05:10
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ti4miOKI.05:10
ti4miThank you all for helping and answering my questions. C U05:11
Rinchener, sorry, ti4mi, they'll look at it Monday. :-) 05:11
RinchenI forgot about timezones.05:11
ti4miI am fine with it.05:12
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cbx33hi peeps05:19
cbx33I'm just beta testing ppa05:19
cbx33i just uploaded a package05:19
cbx33how long till LP realises it's there?05:19
cbx33also can i delete it?05:19
cbx33and replace with another version05:19
FujitsuPublisher runs every 20 minutes, and you can't currently delete it.05:19
FujitsuThough LP should send you an accepted/rejected email after the next 5-minutely check.05:20
FujitsuYou can upload a higher version, but the older ones currently stick around.05:20
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gnomefreaki have a feeling either PPA or LP died05:24
Fujitsugnomefreak: Works for me... I had something published 4 minutes ago, and built 2 minutes ago.05:24
Hobbseewell, it attempted to build amarok, so was alive05:24
gnomefreakive been uploading same source for over an hour and its a small package afaik05:24
Fujitsugnomefreak: ls -l is your friend.05:24
gnomefreakhmmmmm05:25
ubotuNew bug: #136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13639905:25
gnomefreakwhy would i list files if its stuck uploading05:25
FujitsuTo see the size.05:25
FujitsuAnd work out if it should be taking a long time or not.05:26
gnomefreakUploading to ppa-mt (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.dsc: done. xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz:05:26
cbx33ok05:26
cbx33darn05:26
cbx33thanks Fujitsu 05:26
gnomefreak40065992 that is huge05:26
FujitsuYeah, 40MB will take a little while.05:27
gnomefreakhmmmmmm wonder why so big05:27
kikoit's almost a whole mozilla isn't it?05:28
gnomefreakthat explains the why it wont upload05:28
gnomefreakkiko: seems like it i think ff orig.tar is like 35m05:28
Fujitsugnomefreak: It will upload, just it'll take a loooong time.05:28
gnomefreakthis is a frigging depend05:28
FujitsuMy mirror says the current gutsy xulrunner is 42MB, so it's about right.05:28
gnomefreakFujitsu: yeah at <100kbps it will be a long while05:29
gnomefreakhmmmmmm05:29
FujitsuMhm.05:29
FujitsuRight, it's 0130, and I should be off to bed. No more LP bug-filing for me tonight :(05:29
gnomefreakFujitsu: GOOD NIGHT05:30
gnomefreakdamn05:30
gnomefreaksorry for caps05:30
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FujitsuGoodnight.05:30
cbx33good night Fujitsu 05:31
FujitsuNight cbx33.05:31
cbx33hey guys is it a bug in the mail send out05:31
cbx33says a mail will be sent to feisty changes05:32
cbx33surely not05:32
cbx33"Announcing to feisty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com"05:34
kikocpro1, hmmm05:34
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cpro1cbx33: it's misleasding, ppa uploads announcements are not sent to @changes ML05:38
cpro1cbx33: could you please file a bug about it ?05:38
cbx33of course05:39
cbx33i noticed a type in the the docs too05:39
cbx33bug #13640605:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13640605:44
Hobbseecbx33: mine works here05:44
Hobbsee==05:45
HobbseeAnnouncing to celso.providelo@gmail.com05:45
HobbseeThank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.05:45
cbx33oooh05:46
cbx33I'm still waiting for my first package to build05:47
cbx33:(05:47
Hobbseeit's to gutsy05:47
cbx33it uploaded ok05:47
cbx33ahhh05:47
cbx33:(05:47
cbx33it's not in the build queue05:47
ubotuNew bug: #136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13640605:51
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dokoshould it be possible to make ppas dependent on other ppas?06:00
dokohttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas times out06:00
kiko-phonedoko, the latter is a known problem, we've got a patch waiting to be cherry-picked06:01
kiko-phonedoko, not currently -- you need to use a team PPA for that.06:01
cbx33is there a way to see the queue for a machine?06:02
kiko-phonecbx33, for a builder?06:02
cbx33yeh06:02
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cprovdoko: team ppas, sort of workaround this use-case, but it doesn't avoid the unnecessary package duplication06:03
dokokiko-phone: just wanted to make a new gcc default in ~toolchain, and then use that one in my own ppa06:03
cprovdoko: file a bug about this situation we can discuss it later as a enhancement06:03
dokook06:03
kiko-phonehttps://launchpad.net/+builds06:04
cbx33kiko-phone, that shows the current builds06:04
cbx33but not the queue06:04
cbx33how do i see where my package is?06:04
ubotuNew bug: #136408 in blueprint "Missing scope option causes blueprint search form to OOPS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13640806:05
kiko-phonecbx33, hmmm. cprov?06:06
cbx33Queued:  32 minutes ago06:06
cbx33Build score: 100506:06
cbx33i mean06:06
cbx33I'm a patient person...I can wait06:06
cbx33but some people will be thinking....will it ever get built - would be nice to see where in the queue they are06:06
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ivoksregardin ppa, which i'm testing today...06:09
cprovcbx33: actually, you can't find your position in queue precisely because jobs are attached on-the-fly06:09
cbx33ahh06:10
cbx33cprov, makes sense06:10
cbx33so there isn't a queue06:10
ivoksdoes it have to send email to original maintainer of package? if i'm building patched version of ubuntu package, i don't think maintainer will be happy to recive mails about every build :)06:10
cbx33just a list of jobs to do06:10
kiko-phonecprov, is ivoks actually right there?06:11
ivoksmaybe it's just conincidence?06:12
ivoksdoes cjw gets mail about every upload?06:12
cprovkiko-phone: we do not send anything to the maintainer of the package, only to the uploader.06:14
ivoksummm...06:14
ivoksTo: Ante Karamati <ivoks@blah.com>, Colin Watson <cjwatson@blah.com>06:14
kiko-phonecprov, ^06:14
ubotuNew bug: #136413 in soyuz "make it possible to let ppas depend on other ppas" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13641306:15
cprovkiko-phone: unless, something went wrong during the last changes we made in this area (checking the code)06:16
cprovivoks: err, you are right, file a bug, please06:17
ivoksok06:18
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cbx33:( 50 minutes06:25
cbx33heh06:25
cbx33Changes file:   not available06:27
cbx33didn't i upload that?06:27
cprovcbx33: url ?06:29
ubotuNew bug: #136418 in soyuz "[ppa]  Report email is sent to original maintainer and uploader" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13641806:30
ubotuNew bug: #136420 in soyuz "support of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=<n> on the buildds" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13642006:30
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cbx33https://launchpad.net/~petesavage/+archive/+build/38256006:32
LaserJockis there a +queue for the PPA builders?06:32
cbx33cprov, there ya go06:32
LaserJockpfft06:32
cbx33LaserJock, no06:32
cbx33it's built on the fly06:32
cbx33;)06:32
LaserJockcbx33: what are you doing here?!?!06:32
cbx33hahah06:32
cbx33i should be asking you the same question06:33
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LaserJockheah man, no group meeting ;-)06:33
cprovcbx33: you won't have a changesfile for the binary upload until it is built ...06:35
ubotuNew bug: #136422 in malone "bug tags are not inherited" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13642206:36
cbx33AHHH I SEE06:36
cbx33thanks cprov 06:36
cbx331 hours ago06:36
cbx33come on06:36
cprovcbx33:  yup, np06:36
cbx331 hour ago06:36
cbx33;)06:36
LaserJockis an email sent out when a PPA build finishes?06:38
ubotuNew bug: #136424 in launchpad "Side bar does't work properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13642406:46
cprovLaserJock: no, only when the build fails06:47
LaserJockcprov: so if we can't see a build queue, and we don't get an email06:48
LaserJockwe just have to sit there reloading the individual build pages :-)06:48
cprovLaserJock: or do some other work ;)06:48
LaserJockwell, that is work06:49
cprovLaserJock:  kidding, it's a deficiency of the current system06:49
LaserJockI was kidding too ;-)06:49
LaserJockI just wondered06:49
cprovLaserJock:  'launchpad buildd watcher' position ...06:49
LaserJockhaha06:49
LaserJockdude, I could get hired to watch the buildd's and email people06:50
LaserJockthat's actually how Launchpad runs06:50
cprovLaserJock: it would be nice to ask user what they would like more, email or RSS06:50
LaserJockthere's no DB, it's just little monkey's running around in the DC06:50
LaserJockcprov: RSS would be very sweet06:50
cprovLaserJock: lol06:50
LaserJockcprov: long term do you guys have any plans to have PPA usage statistics? like how many times a package was downloaded?06:51
cprovLaserJock:  not really, since PPA are served from a external plain httpd ...06:52
LaserJockk, just wondered06:53
iwjMaybe I should mention this here instead.  LP just told me "Launchpad is currently offline for maintenance"06:53
cprovLaserJock: maybe we can get stats over 'dgetable'  and "apt-firefox-handler" instalations06:53
mayecohttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas -> Timeout error OOPS-608A126906:54
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/608A126906:54
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ubotuNew bug: #136431 in launchpad "falsely claims lp is offline for maintenance" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13643107:05
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cbx33come on:( almost 2 hours now07:26
cbx33hehe07:26
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synicalright you bzr people, after a "bzr update", how can I find out what files were changed?08:02
LaserJocksynic: there's also #bzr for bzr questions :-)08:05
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cbx33is it better to have a low or high build score?08:27
cbx33Build score:  29508:27
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cprov-lunchcbx33: depends what do you mean by "better" ...  build-score ~ priority, higher build-scores will be processed first08:54
cbx33darn08:55
cbx33i know they go up to 100008:55
kiko-phoneheh08:55
cbx33i'm at 200 now08:55
cbx33hehe08:55
kiko-phoneit goes up as time goes by08:55
kiko-phonejust like in casablanca08:55
cbx33w00t08:55
cbx33one of my packages just built08:55
cbx33thanks everyone08:57
cbx33two minutes to build08:57
cbx33must be tiny08:57
cbx33hehe08:57
cbx33typo - Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel.09:06
cbx33Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload your package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel.09:06
cbx33you and your!09:06
kiko-phonecbx33, I think you can fix this, right?09:10
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kikodamned ghosts09:10
cbx33I am not allowed to edit this page09:11
cbx33anyone willing to make me able to?09:11
kikocbx33, are you not logged into the wiki?09:12
cbx33oh09:12
cbx33hehe09:12
cbx33probably09:12
kikofixed09:12
cbx33bah09:14
cbx33beaten to it09:14
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cbx33why do ppa's fail to upload??09:33
cbx33it built ok09:33
synicwhat does this mean? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes09:42
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cbx33synic, hmmm09:46
cbx33synic, ouch09:46
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popeyhere's a question for the group10:04
cbx33ok10:04
popeywe have made some screencasts, and someone has created a file - which is a .srt file - a "subtitle" file, so that other people can translate it10:05
cbx33cool10:05
popeywould it make sense to upload that srt to lp and have it translatable there?10:05
popeyor would lp not support .srt?10:05
LaserJockpopey: you might have to convert it to a .pot first10:07
popeyis that easy/hard/dunno ?10:08
LaserJockI guess it depends on what a .srt file looks like :-)10:08
popeywell..10:08
popey110:08
popey00:00:00,462 --> 00:00:03,93410:08
popeyHello my name is Andrew Gee and welcome to this Ubuntu screencast.10:08
popeylots of lines like that10:08
LaserJockseems like that should be scriptable10:09
popeyI don't know what a .pot file looks like10:09
LaserJockit's got some header stuff and then lines like:10:13
LaserJockmsgid "An introduction to the background and philosophy of the Ubuntu operating system."10:13
LaserJockmsgstr ""10:13
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cbx33hmm10:16
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cbx33popey, that should be scriptable enough10:25
cbx33wanna give me an example file10:25
cbx33LaserJock, got an example pot file?10:25
synichttp://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes  <-- is anyone else getting this error?10:26
cbx33synic, no10:26
Rinchensynic, hmm that's interesting10:26
synicthe repository itself is working10:27
cbx33yeh10:27
cbx33looks like something is screwing up the code browser10:27
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RinchenI'll pass this along. We've had some challenges with codebrowse occasionally and we've taken steps to address it.10:29
Rinchensynic, how do you pronounce exaile? is it like exhale?10:30
synickinda, just without the h10:31
synicit's named after a goa/psytrance group10:31
Rinchenah, that's why it always looks familiar to me :-)10:31
Rinchenthanks10:31
synic:)10:31
popeycbx33: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-screencasts/2007-August/000008.html10:35
popeycheck the attachment10:35
cbx33kk10:35
cbx33thanks popey 10:38
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synicheh, my karma is 4185.  I guess that's what I get for writing an automatic trac2launchpad script10:39
kikosynic, I noticed that! did you use the XMLRPC API?10:40
synicI didn't even know there was one.  I used python-mechanize10:40
kikosynic, so exaile is pretty neat. I have a hard time with the treeview on the left, though10:40
synicoh?  How so?10:41
kikosynic, I find it cumbersome to have to unfold artist and album to find a song10:41
cbx33popey, I'm on the case10:41
kikonot totally unusable but harder to use than an expanded list10:41
kikohey popey 10:41
synicI never did like the expanded list thing... but I was an Amarok user for a long time10:42
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kikosynic, so: https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC?highlight=%28xml%2910:42
popeyyo kiko 10:43
synicdamn... that would have been a lot easier.10:43
synicoh well.10:43
kikosynic, :)10:45
kikohow's it going popey 10:45
kikosynic, are you going to publish trac2launchpad?10:45
synickiko: I might throw it up on my blog or something. 10:45
popeygreat kiko - looking forward to UDS :)10:45
synickiko: so are you an employee of canonical?  Are you being payed to work on launchpad?10:46
popeyuhhhh Gutsy, _then_ UDS :)10:46
kikosynic, very nice if you could do that -- I know a few projects that would find it useful10:46
kikosynic, yeah, SteveA and Rinchen and I are responsible for it10:46
synicdo they pay you guys well?10:46
kikopopey, I am scared by gutsy10:46
popeyheh10:46
popeysurely you have nothing to worry about in your nice big launchpad tower?10:46
synicI'm just curious :)10:47
popeyfar far away from all things ubuntu ;)10:47
kikopopey, if only I could always hide in this pearly tower! they bring me down to the reality of -proposed clashing with partner clashing with rtl8139!10:47
synic... because if so, I'm totally jealous.  10:47
popeyerk, sounds pleasant10:47
kikosynic, it's a fun job and to get paid to work for something which is generally useful is always very cool10:48
synicthat would be right up in the "dream job" category for me10:48
kikoso it's a dream until you wake up to 800 messages in your inbox10:48
kikothat I need to fix10:48
synichaha10:48
kikoman my wifi has been so flaky these last 48h10:49
synicI do like my current job, though.  http://synic.phonese.cx/comments.php?2833  <-- our new breakroom10:49
kikothe quality goes down and up and down..10:49
Odd_BlokeOn a vaguely related note, do Canonical have any intern-y/uni-student-on-a-year-out type posts?10:49
kikoOdd_Bloke, sometimes we do have intern positions, in particular for Ubuntu I think10:49
cbx33popey, done it10:50
cbx33i think10:50
cbx33apart from the headers etc10:50
cbx33want the code10:50
kikothat is actually pretty cool10:50
Odd_Blokekiko: Any idea if they'd be in the UK or does it depend on the position?10:51
kikoOdd_Bloke, I think it depends. have you checked the job openings?10:51
popeycanonical have quite a few openings IIRC10:52
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popeymad amounts10:52
Odd_Blokekiko: I haven't, I'm considering it for the academic year after the next (i.e. in about a year).10:52
cbx33popey, http://www.pastebin.ca/67724610:52
cbx33based on http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ubuntu-doc/trunk/annotate/vcs-imports%40canonical.com-20070831103409-9gul6jgryq0a7dd8?file_id=packagingguide.pot-20061107205354-37569jqxbzg4jsqs-633110:52
cbx33and on the file you gave me10:53
cbx33it doesn't produce the meta data10:53
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popeyhow do we deal with that?10:53
cbx33you'll have to create it manually10:53
popeysomeone needs to keep the meta data somewhere10:53
cbx33yes10:53
cbx33but i mean10:53
cbx33i don't know if you need it10:54
cbx33well10:54
popeythats a damn file first effort!10:54
popeywe do, it's the timing info10:54
popeydoesn't need to be in lp I guess10:54
cbx33no10:54
cbx33if i understand pot files10:54
cbx33 it should replace the lines in the srt with the lines from the pot file10:54
cbx33but please get someone else to confirm it;)10:54
cbx33hope it's useful to you10:58
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popeyyou're great pete10:59
cbx33nah11:00
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nealmcbin https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart it seems like the link to the packaging guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is old - would http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html be more up-to-date and official?11:30
Rinchenhi nealmcb, let me have a look11:31
mdke_nealmcb: yes and no11:31
mdke_nealmcb: more up to date, yes; more official, not really because that link is "work in progress". We need a link to the stable version for 7.04 ideally11:32
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nealmcbmdke_: yeah, and I didn't find one for 7.0411:32
mdkenealmcb: that's right, I don't think there is one. That sucks11:32
mdkeI'll sort it out11:32
nealmcb:-)11:32
Rinchenmdke, let me or mrevell know and we'll change the quickstart guide11:33
Rinchenthanks11:33
nealmcbmy pleasure11:33
mdkeRinchen: ok11:33
mdkenealmcb: for now just follow 6.10 and make logical substitutions where appropriate; there have been few changes11:33
synickiko: http://www.vimtips.org/article/20/migrating-from-trac-to-launchpad11:44
kikosynic, vimtips!11:45
synichehe11:45
synicbrb11:45
kikoI'm going to use that colorschema now!11:45
ubotuNew bug: #136475 in launchpad "Search button is an image but doesn't have alt= text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13647511:46
ubotuNew bug: #136476 in malone "Pressing Enter in bug-reporting "Summary" field doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13647611:55
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kikosynic, I just closed my playlist. now what?12:01
Rinchensynic, your codebrowse issue is now fixed12:01
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Rinchensynic, it's possible it was caused by bug 8735512:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87355 in launchpad-bazaar "loggerhead uses bdb" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87355 - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson)12:02
synickiko: are you using the bzr stuff?12:03
kikosynic, I'm using feisty.12:03
kikoman it's really gone. 12:03
synickiko: oh, so exaile 0.2.8?12:03
kikoaham12:04
mwhudsonRinchen: it's more than possible :)12:04
kikoisn't it weird to have to rename the tab and save it separately?12:04
synicI just drag tracks to the playlist tab12:04
synicbtw, exaile is 0.2.10 now12:04
synicbrb, boss is trying to yack at me12:05
kikoI drag tracks to it too, but how do you avoid losing them when you click on X by mistake? :)12:05
synickiko: I mean the playlists tab on the left.  The tabs for the main area are just so you can have more than one open at a time.12:15
kikoI'll get the hang of it12:17
kikogenre is such a bong concept!12:18
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synicbong concept?12:19
kikodemented? :)12:19
synichah12:19
synicyeah, we're probably going to put 'tags' support in12:20
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