[12:53] <Kmos> synic: for example, set status you need to be part of ubuntu-qa team
[12:53] <Kmos> or change bugs, be part of ubuntu bugs
[12:54] <Kmos> synic: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[02:02] <RAOF> Oh, cool.  My libdrm PPA build died because I'm in GMT+10 :(
[02:03] <LaserJock> ?
[02:03] <RAOF> LaserJock: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9069174/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.libdrm_2.3.1%7Egit20070831-0ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz if you'd like the gory details.
[02:04] <RAOF> But basically, configure's timestamp is in the future.  At least, for the buildd :)
[02:04] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think that would make it FTBFS
[02:05] <LaserJock> oh, that is interesting
[02:05] <RAOF> Configure fails with 'newly created file is older than...' :)
[02:06] <LaserJock> it would be good if all the packaging stuff was in UTC
[02:06] <kiko-afk> isn't it?
[02:06] <LaserJock> no
[02:06] <LaserJock> we aren't
[02:06] <LaserJock> my time stamps are in UTC-7 for instance
[02:08] <RAOF> And mine are in UTC+10.
[02:09] <Rinchen> ddaa, the trivial team has been fixed :-)
[02:09] <LaserJock> cprov: do you think multiple PPAs/person is really a rare use-case
[02:09] <ddaa> Rinchen: thx
[02:09] <Rinchen> although I found another issue I'm fixing now
[02:10] <kiko-afk> LaserJock, we're not sure, but we thought so.
[02:10] <LaserJock> I think it makes it kinda difficult if you have more than one target userbase
[02:11] <LaserJock> as people often want a group of packages, but not all
[02:11] <kiko-afk> LaserJock, what do you mean?
[02:11] <LaserJock> like if I'm doing science packages as well as Edubuntu packages
[02:11] <LaserJock> and the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages
[02:11] <kiko-afk> LaserJock, and you wouldn't have a shared team repo?
[02:11] <LaserJock> no
[02:11] <kiko-afk> why not?
[02:11] <LaserJock> I want it all in my personal PPA
[02:12] <LaserJock> I don't want to have to create multiple teams just for me to separate my packages
[02:12] <LaserJock> I can definitely see the use for the team repo's, but I think the personal repos will get more use
[02:13] <kiko-afk> it's a use case, but kinda weak I feel
[02:13] <kiko-afk> maybe you're right
[02:13] <kiko-afk> it all hinges on 
 and the scientists don't want the Edubuntu packages
[02:13] <kiko-afk> which I think is not too strong an argument.
[02:13] <LaserJock> ?!?
[02:13] <LaserJock> really?
[02:13] <LaserJock> gosh that happens a lot
[02:13] <kiko-afk> maybe you're right -- I'm musing
[02:13] <LaserJock> that's one of my big gripes with 3rd party repos
[02:14] <LaserJock> is they're full of disjointed stuff
[02:14] <LaserJock> and it's all or nothing unless you use apt pinning
[02:14] <kiko-afk> ISWYM
[02:15] <LaserJock> I think the argument that they should really be in team repos is stronger than a lack of need
[02:15] <kiko-afk> I think we're converging on agreement on this matter :)
[02:15] <LaserJock> I just don't feel comfortable using team repos
[02:15] <LaserJock> but maybe it's somewhat of a corner case for me
[02:16] <LaserJock> cause if I'm going to do it as a team I'd probably just upload to Ubuntu
[02:16] <LaserJock> and for like Edubuntu I'd have no idea what team I'd put it in
[02:16] <LaserJock> I'd maybe have to create a separate team
[02:33] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:33] <jml> good grief
[02:33] <jml> it's afternoon already.
[02:34] <Rinchen> yikes
[02:34] <Rinchen> that's my signal to depart
[02:35] <Rinchen> Night folks
[02:50] <mpt> "The operation timed out when attempting to contact bugs.launchpad.net."
[02:51] <geser> so I'm not alone
[02:51] <mpt> stub?
[02:52] <geser> looks like it fixed itself
[02:52] <mpt> hooray
[02:52] <stub> I'm getting stuffed connections to the datacentre
[02:53] <mpt> stub, yes, lost IRC too
[02:53] <LaserJock> that sounds fun
[02:54] <ajmitch> after some waiting
[02:54] <ajmitch> mtr shows nothing unusual, at least
[02:54] <thumper> mpt: quick question for you
[02:55] <LaserJock> everything looks fine to me, u.c lp.net wiki.u.c
[02:55] <ajmitch> hopefully it was just a quick problem, just as quickly resolved
[02:55] <LaserJock> maybe elmo stopped peddling for a second
[02:55] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:56] <thumper> mpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk , if you look at the caption on the table at the top, bit breaks over two lines when there is ample space
[02:56] <mpt> thumper, the answer is "siege"
[02:56] <mpt> oh
[02:56] <thumper> I've got a patch that wraps that in a whitespace nowrap 
[02:56] <thumper> are you ok with that?
[02:56] <thumper> I've been told to check 
[02:56] <mpt> One moment, I'll look
[02:56] <thumper> personally I perfer it all on one line
[02:57] <thumper> if I stretch the table out it looks silly
[02:57] <thumper> I messed around resizing my browser to check
[02:58] <mpt> Using whitespace nowrap would be intolerant of narrow windows (assuming a future Launchpad design that doesn't require so much width)
[02:58] <thumper> and it seems that the minimum width that the page formats itself to is ample to contain the unwrapped text
[02:58] <mpt> and "These URLs are intended for use with the Bazaar version control system" is a bit gratuitously vague anyway
[02:58] <mpt> so
[02:58] <thumper> remove it?
[02:59] <thumper> I've never really liked it
[02:59] <mpt> I suggest replacing that caption with a subset of what I suggested for the bzr+ssh: advertisement bug
[02:59] <mpt> Just without the bzr+ssh: URLs, of course
[02:59] <thumper> mpt: I'll take another look at it
[03:00] <mpt> Download URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum
[03:00] <mpt>      Example: bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~foo/bar/hum
[03:00] <thumper> okey dokie
[03:00] <thumper> I think that is much clearer
[03:00] <mpt> As an added bonus, it will also work better in Internet Explorer
[03:01] <mpt> which insists on putting table <caption>s above the table rather than below
[03:01] <thumper> ok
[03:01] <thumper> thanks for your input
[03:32] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, I do, assuming that "LP teams are cheap"
[03:33] <LaserJock> as long as you guys think so
[03:35] <cprov> LaserJock: OTOH, I think multiple PPAs per person is a feasible idea and could be handy to avoid multiple teams maintenance overhead
[03:36] <cprov> depends how much we want it. do you already have anything in mind ?
[03:36] <ajmitch> is bazaar.lp.net not redirecting to code.lp.net properly? 
[03:36] <ajmitch> https://code.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works, but https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool was giving a strange error
[03:38] <spiv> ajmitch: it's *http://bazaar.launchpad.net/...
[03:38] <spiv> i.e. *http*
[03:39] <ajmitch> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[03:39] <ajmitch> sorry, I'd just edited the url when pasting there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool gave the error
[03:40] <ajmitch> The requested URL /00/00/10/d0 was not found on this server.
[03:40] <spiv> Hmm!
[03:40] <LaserJock> cprov: well, let's see how it goes and how many requests
[03:40] <spiv> But http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~stephan-buys/network-authentication/authtool works.  How bizarre.
[03:40] <LaserJock> cprov: it'd be nice for me but not critical and I might be sort of a corner case
[03:40] <ajmitch> quite
[03:41] <cprov> LaserJock: what's your use-case, for instance ?
[03:41] <LaserJock> well, I have many interests
[03:41] <LaserJock> Chemistry, Education, etc.
[03:42] <LaserJock> and I don't want to make somebody who's interested in just one group upgrade to everything I have in my repo
[03:42] <LaserJock> granted, I don't have anything in my PPA presently
[03:42] <LaserJock> but I'm planning ;-)
[03:43] <cprov> LaserJock: I see, the upgrade concern is legit 
[03:44] <LaserJock> and for me too
[03:44] <LaserJock> if I want to use somebody's ppa but they're doing all kinds of stuff
[03:44] <LaserJock> I gotta just pick out individual .debs or use apt pinning
[03:44] <LaserJock> on the other hand
[03:45] <LaserJock> if I've grouping by subject, maybe it's appropriate to have a team
[03:45] <LaserJock> but I view PPA as *my* stuff
[03:45] <LaserJock> gotta run
[03:47] <ajmitch> cprov: there's currently a 1GB limit on PPAs, right?
[03:47] <ajmitch> I guess some people could upload more than this if they had team PPAs (and a lot of patience)
[03:48] <cprov> ajmitch: yes, there is
[03:48] <cprov> :)
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> lifeless: you around?
[04:49] <lifeless> no
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> awww
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> how are you getting in the city tonight, and when are you leaving?
[04:49] <lifeless> leaving around 4ish
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> bah.  ok
[04:49] <lifeless> have to take a printer to the city to give to a needy person
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> fair enough
[04:49] <lifeless> then sit in a pub until slug (the Red Oak)
[04:50] <lifeless> training in
[04:50] <LongPointyStick> right
[04:51] <LongPointyStick> ok
[04:52] <LongPointyStick> hmm.
[04:52] <thumper> ajmitch: your errors are due to us attempting to tie down the apache server
[04:52] <thumper> ajmitch: for bazaar.launchpad.net
[04:52] <thumper> it shouldn't be giving 404's and we should fix it
[04:52] <thumper> ajmitch: do you want to file a bug? on launchpad-bazaar?
[04:52] <ajmitch> sure
[04:52] <thumper> thanks
[05:12] <lifeless> LongPointyStick: so are you coming to slug
[05:13] <LongPointyStick> lifeless: unsure.
[05:13] <LongPointyStick> i have a prac that finishes at 5, at the earliest
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #136274 in launchpad "Too much space between <h1> and <h2>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136274
[05:15] <mpt> aaaaaagh
[05:15] <mpt> "Hi, i saw your reply on Bug #1 and this is a personal reply."
[05:16] <mpt> No, sir, it's broadcast to all the bug's subscribers
[05:23] <lifeless> rotfl
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #136275 in launchpad-bazaar "Unexpected 404 error on bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136275
[05:31] <ajmitch> thumper: there you go ^^
[05:43] <thumper> ajmitch: thanks
[05:55] <ed__> hello
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #136289 in soyuz "Ubuntu PPAs page it reaching timeout" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136289
[08:44] <carlos> morning
[10:01] <shirish> anybody up?
[10:02] <thumper> yes
[10:03] <shirish> thumper: cool, I have a query but about bzr
[10:04] <shirish> I have checked out some program, it did the checkout & said build by itself, do I need to do make clean, make & make install or not?
[10:05] <Fujitsu> shirish: Erm......... how's that a bzr question?
[10:06] <shirish> Fujitsu: I am using bzr for the first time from launchpad
[10:06] <shirish> I haven't used bzr ever before, so dunno how to use it or what is to be done. 
[10:06] <Fujitsu> How does the build process have the tiniest scrap of a relationship to bzr or LP?
[10:07] <shirish> Fujitsu: I dunno but this seemed the place, if you can tell me the proper place/channel to ask this query, please tell me so. 
[10:07] <Fujitsu> It's entirely application dependent........
[10:08] <shirish> Fujitsu: thanx for the feedback 
[10:10] <ajmitch> well that was fun :)
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Quite.
[10:10] <Fujitsu> What the?
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> this seems kinda silly to ask - how to i unsubscribe from a bug?
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not in the subscribers, but it appears in the list of bugs when i sort them in my profile
[11:07] <carlos> Kamping_Kaiser: maybe you are subscribed from a team you are member of
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> carlos, not that i can see
[11:08] <carlos> Kamping_Kaiser: did you add a comment to it?
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> does that mean its in the list for good?
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser: That list shows all related bugs by default, which from 9 days ago includes commented bugs.
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh... yay :\
[11:11] <Fujitsu> Why is this a problem?
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> because i've placed comments in lots of bugs i dont particularly care to know about (anymore)
[11:13] <Fujitsu> Commenting is rather different from all the other categories, so it would probably be nice to have a view without it... hmm...
[11:22] <gnomefreak> have we moved out of dogfood PPA yet?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> are the packages on dogfood gonna be removed?
[12:33] <Kmos> cprov: that's for you
[12:41] <jayp> Is launchpad down for maintenance? None planned on the website
[12:43] <jayp> back up again just there now ! :)
[12:45] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: They will not be migrated to production, but I believe dogfood will stay alive for a little while.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> k i knew i couldnt transfer but i would like to start versioning with mt1 again and wondered when dogfood accounts would be removed
[12:48] <kiko> paradise!
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Hi kiko.
[12:50] <kiko> hey Fujitsu 
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #136343 in soyuz "For team PPAs, how can you tell who uploaded the package?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136343
[01:34] <cprov> gnomefreak: yes, they will be dropped at some point (in one or two weeks)
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ok ty cprov 
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #136348 in malone ""Report bug" button disappears if images disabled [Konqueror] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136348
[02:47] <jordi> *woa*
[02:47] <jordi> this PPA stuff is really great!
[02:56] <gnomefreak> it is pps.launchpad.net?
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ppa*
[02:57] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Yes.
[02:57] <gnomefreak> bad thing (maybe bug) if you have binaries in the same place you have changes file it uploads binaries as well
[02:58] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: It should reject them...
[02:58] <Daviey> It's the lack of signing that is the real big bug imo
[02:58] <gnomefreak> ok than i will continue it 
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ill let you know if it does or not
[02:59] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: ie. you will need to upload the _source.changes, like you do for anything else vaguely related to Ubuntu.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: yes and it takes the orig the dsc diff and binaries. i had to build binaries to satisfy depends
[03:00] <Fujitsu> O_o what?
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Building a source package requires fewer deps, not more...
[03:01] <gnomefreak> for firefox-trunk  we use a newer nss and nspr along with xulrunner
[03:02] <gnomefreak> i assumed i had to build with the newer packages installed as always had to
[03:03] <jordi> ah if you need deps not available in the builder, I guess things get complicated
[03:04] <Fujitsu> You need to build/upload a _source.changes, the same as for REVU or normal Ubuntu.
[03:04] <gnomefreak> yep but thats why i built new versions of them installed the binaries i needed and uploaded as normal
[03:06] <gnomefreak> yep it rejects everything :(
[03:06] <gnomefreak> ok i move binaries and try again
[03:07] <Fujitsu> No, you upload the _source.changes, not move the binaries out of the way.
[03:07] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: i know and it failed to upload everything because it took binaries with iit
[03:07] <gnomefreak> it
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Because you uploaded the _i386.changes.
[03:08] <gnomefreak> Upload is binaryful, but policy refuses binaryful uploads.
[03:08] <gnomefreak> Upload is source/binary but policy refuses mixed uploads.
[03:08] <gnomefreak> dput -f ppa-mt nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070820-0ubuntu1~mt1_i386.changes
[03:09] <gnomefreak> has always worked before
[03:11] <Fujitsu> Are you sure? That's wrong.
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah i see because i built binary it gave me _386.changes
[03:11] <gnomefreak> i rebuild sources and i get the right onw
[03:11] <gnomefreak> one
[03:11] <Fujitsu> That is what I said, yes.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear, edge seems to be behaving even slower than the regular LP
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I find it always is.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i set it via an alias
[03:14] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: cool ill try that sometime today :)
[03:39] <seb128> hi
[03:39] <seb128> "The bug tracker at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ isn't registered in Launchpad. You need to register it before you can link any bugs to it."
[03:40] <seb128> is that normal?
[03:41] <mwhudson> it appears to be registered as  	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
[03:42] <seb128> mwhudson: so I can't add a watch to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251012 ?
[03:42] <ubotu> Red Hat bug 251012 in gnome-panel "Recent Documents doesn't work." [Medium,Assigned: ]   - Assigned to Ray Strode
[03:44] <seb128> mwhudson: thanks, adding a "bugzilla" in the middle of the URL worked
[03:45] <Kmos> seb128: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers -> add it to bookmarks
[03:46] <seb128> Kmos: thanks but I'm enough bookmark and adding a bugzilla.redhat.com URL should work without hacking
[03:46] <seb128> s/I'm enough/I've enough
[03:47] <ti4mi> Hello
[03:47] <mwhudson> seb128: it looks like the bugtracker record should be updated
[03:47] <ti4mi> how can I remove a test branch I submitted to launchpad?
[03:47] <seb128> mwhudson: can you do that?
[03:48] <mwhudson> hm, it looks like i can, surprisingly enough (i'm not an admin)
[03:49] <Kmos> mwhudson: if you removed the bugzilla from the end of it, it won't work
[03:49] <Kmos> *remove
[03:49] <mwhudson> Kmos: ?
[03:49] <mwhudson> Kmos: bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla urls are redirecting to bugzilla.redhat.com
[03:50] <Kmos> that have changed so
[03:50] <Kmos> i've updated it
[03:50] <Kmos> it's working fine now
[03:52] <ti4mi> may I repeat my question?
[03:53] <ti4mi> How does one delete a brach from https://code.launchpad.net/+junk/foo
[03:53] <Kmos> ti4mi: bzr help remove
[03:54] <Kmos> ti4mi: bzr help remove-tree
[03:56] <ti4mi> thanks Kmos
[03:56] <ti4mi> I get the error:
[03:56] <ti4mi> bzr: ERROR: No working tree to remove
[03:57] <ti4mi> PLZ tell me if I have to switch to the bzr IRC channel
[03:58] <mwhudson> ti4mi: on the branch index page
[03:58] <mwhudson> there should be an action 'delete branch' on the left
[04:00] <ti4mi> there's only
[04:00] <ti4mi> *   Change branch details,     * Browse code,     * Change registrant,     * Subscribe,     * Subscribe someone else,     * View branch associations,     * Register merge proposal
[04:06] <mwhudson> hm
[04:06] <mwhudson> what is the branch?
[04:06] <ti4mi> https://code.launchpad.net/~timmie/+junk/test
[04:07] <mwhudson> ah, hm
[04:07] <ti4mi> I just did it following a article in fullcircle which explains very well to get code into launchpad.
[04:07] <mwhudson> certainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch
[04:07] <ti4mi> Therefore I wanted to clean off after my text was successful
[04:08] <mwhudson> ti4mi: sadly, you can't, yet
[04:09] <ti4mi> off after my text was successful => should be "...off after my /test/ was successful*
[04:10] <ti4mi> I now used bzr uncommit LOCATION to at least clean off the junk files there...
[04:11] <ti4mi> certainly in the next release you should be able to delete a branch => does that mean we have a bug in launchpad here?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> cpro1: for .orig.tar.gz's in ubuntu, i still have to upload teh same tarball to ppa, right?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> it doesnt copy over?
[04:25] <cpro1> Hobbsee: yes, the first upload to PPA must contain the orig, despite of it being already available in primary ubuntu archive.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> cprov: damn.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> cprov: i need a faster uplink.
[04:25] <cprov> or smaller origs
[04:26] <Hobbsee> mmm...that'd be nice
[04:26] <Hobbsee> it's only 15mb
[04:26] <cprov> ;)
[04:35] <Fujitsu> Will PPA be getting overrides/removals in the near future?
[04:36] <ti4mi> Hello
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: overrides and such is manual, so i'd be surprised
[04:36] <ti4mi> just wanna report that I was able to delete the branch
[04:37] <ti4mi> but only when I emptied it via many bzr uncommit
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #136388 in soyuz "Redundancy in breadcrumbs and context of +archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136388
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #136390 in soyuz "(Non-)PPA builders are not easily distinguishable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136390
[04:56] <Rinchen> ti4mi, thanks, I'll pass that on.
[05:00] <ti4mi> I created a comment on the bug:
[05:00] <ti4mi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2141/comments/10
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Low,Confirmed]  
[05:00] <ti4mi> Is that OKI for you?
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #136391 in malone "ExternalBugTracker.updateBugWatches() behaviour needs altering" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136391
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #136392 in launchpad "`Codes of Conduct' inappropriate title for Actions item" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136392
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #136394 in launchpad "Inconsistent verbs in +me's Actions portlet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136394
[05:10] <Rinchen> ti4mi, that's appears to be a different problem though. I've emailed the appropriate people and they should look at it later today.
[05:10] <ti4mi> OKI.
[05:11] <ti4mi> Thank you all for helping and answering my questions. C U
[05:11] <Rinchen> er, sorry, ti4mi, they'll look at it Monday. :-) 
[05:11] <Rinchen> I forgot about timezones.
[05:12] <ti4mi> I am fine with it.
[05:19] <cbx33> hi peeps
[05:19] <cbx33> I'm just beta testing ppa
[05:19] <cbx33> i just uploaded a package
[05:19] <cbx33> how long till LP realises it's there?
[05:19] <cbx33> also can i delete it?
[05:19] <cbx33> and replace with another version
[05:19] <Fujitsu> Publisher runs every 20 minutes, and you can't currently delete it.
[05:20] <Fujitsu> Though LP should send you an accepted/rejected email after the next 5-minutely check.
[05:20] <Fujitsu> You can upload a higher version, but the older ones currently stick around.
[05:24] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling either PPA or LP died
[05:24] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Works for me... I had something published 4 minutes ago, and built 2 minutes ago.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> well, it attempted to build amarok, so was alive
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ive been uploading same source for over an hour and its a small package afaik
[05:24] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: ls -l is your friend.
[05:25] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136399
[05:25] <gnomefreak> why would i list files if its stuck uploading
[05:25] <Fujitsu> To see the size.
[05:26] <Fujitsu> And work out if it should be taking a long time or not.
[05:26] <gnomefreak> Uploading to ppa-mt (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.dsc: done. xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz:
[05:26] <cbx33> ok
[05:26] <cbx33> darn
[05:26] <cbx33> thanks Fujitsu 
[05:26] <gnomefreak> 40065992 that is huge
[05:27] <Fujitsu> Yeah, 40MB will take a little while.
[05:27] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm wonder why so big
[05:28] <kiko> it's almost a whole mozilla isn't it?
[05:28] <gnomefreak> that explains the why it wont upload
[05:28] <gnomefreak> kiko: seems like it i think ff orig.tar is like 35m
[05:28] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: It will upload, just it'll take a loooong time.
[05:28] <gnomefreak> this is a frigging depend
[05:28] <Fujitsu> My mirror says the current gutsy xulrunner is 42MB, so it's about right.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: yeah at <100kbps it will be a long while
[05:29] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[05:29] <Fujitsu> Mhm.
[05:29] <Fujitsu> Right, it's 0130, and I should be off to bed. No more LP bug-filing for me tonight :(
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: GOOD NIGHT
[05:30] <gnomefreak> damn
[05:30] <gnomefreak> sorry for caps
[05:30] <Fujitsu> Goodnight.
[05:31] <cbx33> good night Fujitsu 
[05:31] <Fujitsu> Night cbx33.
[05:31] <cbx33> hey guys is it a bug in the mail send out
[05:32] <cbx33> says a mail will be sent to feisty changes
[05:32] <cbx33> surely not
[05:34] <cbx33> "Announcing to feisty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com"
[05:34] <kiko> cpro1, hmmm
[05:38] <cpro1> cbx33: it's misleasding, ppa uploads announcements are not sent to @changes ML
[05:38] <cpro1> cbx33: could you please file a bug about it ?
[05:39] <cbx33> of course
[05:39] <cbx33> i noticed a type in the the docs too
[05:44] <cbx33> bug #136406
[05:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136406
[05:44] <Hobbsee> cbx33: mine works here
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ==
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Announcing to celso.providelo@gmail.com
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[05:46] <cbx33> oooh
[05:47] <cbx33> I'm still waiting for my first package to build
[05:47] <cbx33> :(
[05:47] <Hobbsee> it's to gutsy
[05:47] <cbx33> it uploaded ok
[05:47] <cbx33> ahhh
[05:47] <cbx33> :(
[05:47] <cbx33> it's not in the build queue
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #136406 in soyuz "Misleading email from PPA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136406
[06:00] <doko> should it be possible to make ppas dependent on other ppas?
[06:00] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas times out
[06:01] <kiko-phone> doko, the latter is a known problem, we've got a patch waiting to be cherry-picked
[06:01] <kiko-phone> doko, not currently -- you need to use a team PPA for that.
[06:02] <cbx33> is there a way to see the queue for a machine?
[06:02] <kiko-phone> cbx33, for a builder?
[06:02] <cbx33> yeh
[06:03] <cprov> doko: team ppas, sort of workaround this use-case, but it doesn't avoid the unnecessary package duplication
[06:03] <doko> kiko-phone: just wanted to make a new gcc default in ~toolchain, and then use that one in my own ppa
[06:03] <cprov> doko: file a bug about this situation we can discuss it later as a enhancement
[06:03] <doko> ok
[06:04] <kiko-phone> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[06:04] <cbx33> kiko-phone, that shows the current builds
[06:04] <cbx33> but not the queue
[06:04] <cbx33> how do i see where my package is?
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #136408 in blueprint "Missing scope option causes blueprint search form to OOPS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136408
[06:06] <kiko-phone> cbx33, hmmm. cprov?
[06:06] <cbx33> Queued:  	32 minutes ago
[06:06] <cbx33> Build score: 	1005
[06:06] <cbx33> i mean
[06:06] <cbx33> I'm a patient person...I can wait
[06:06] <cbx33> but some people will be thinking....will it ever get built - would be nice to see where in the queue they are
[06:09] <ivoks> regardin ppa, which i'm testing today...
[06:09] <cprov> cbx33: actually, you can't find your position in queue precisely because jobs are attached on-the-fly
[06:10] <cbx33> ahh
[06:10] <cbx33> cprov, makes sense
[06:10] <cbx33> so there isn't a queue
[06:10] <ivoks> does it have to send email to original maintainer of package? if i'm building patched version of ubuntu package, i don't think maintainer will be happy to recive mails about every build :)
[06:10] <cbx33> just a list of jobs to do
[06:11] <kiko-phone> cprov, is ivoks actually right there?
[06:12] <ivoks> maybe it's just conincidence?
[06:12] <ivoks> does cjw gets mail about every upload?
[06:14] <cprov> kiko-phone: we do not send anything to the maintainer of the package, only to the uploader.
[06:14] <ivoks> ummm...
[06:14] <ivoks> To: Ante Karamati <ivoks@blah.com>, Colin Watson <cjwatson@blah.com>
[06:14] <kiko-phone> cprov, ^
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #136413 in soyuz "make it possible to let ppas depend on other ppas" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136413
[06:16] <cprov> kiko-phone: unless, something went wrong during the last changes we made in this area (checking the code)
[06:17] <cprov> ivoks: err, you are right, file a bug, please
[06:18] <ivoks> ok
[06:25] <cbx33> :( 50 minutes
[06:25] <cbx33> heh
[06:27] <cbx33> Changes file:  	 not available
[06:27] <cbx33> didn't i upload that?
[06:29] <cprov> cbx33: url ?
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #136418 in soyuz "[ppa]  Report email is sent to original maintainer and uploader" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136418
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #136420 in soyuz "support of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=<n> on the buildds" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136420
[06:32] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/~petesavage/+archive/+build/382560
[06:32] <LaserJock> is there a +queue for the PPA builders?
[06:32] <cbx33> cprov, there ya go
[06:32] <LaserJock> pfft
[06:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, no
[06:32] <cbx33> it's built on the fly
[06:32] <cbx33> ;)
[06:32] <LaserJock> cbx33: what are you doing here?!?!
[06:32] <cbx33> hahah
[06:33] <cbx33> i should be asking you the same question
[06:33] <LaserJock> heah man, no group meeting ;-)
[06:35] <cprov> cbx33: you won't have a changesfile for the binary upload until it is built ...
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #136422 in malone "bug tags are not inherited" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136422
[06:36] <cbx33> AHHH I SEE
[06:36] <cbx33> thanks cprov 
[06:36] <cbx33> 1 hours ago
[06:36] <cbx33> come on
[06:36] <cprov> cbx33:  yup, np
[06:36] <cbx33> 1 hour ago
[06:36] <cbx33> ;)
[06:38] <LaserJock> is an email sent out when a PPA build finishes?
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #136424 in launchpad "Side bar does't work properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136424
[06:47] <cprov> LaserJock: no, only when the build fails
[06:48] <LaserJock> cprov: so if we can't see a build queue, and we don't get an email
[06:48] <LaserJock> we just have to sit there reloading the individual build pages :-)
[06:48] <cprov> LaserJock: or do some other work ;)
[06:49] <LaserJock> well, that is work
[06:49] <cprov> LaserJock:  kidding, it's a deficiency of the current system
[06:49] <LaserJock> I was kidding too ;-)
[06:49] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[06:49] <cprov> LaserJock:  'launchpad buildd watcher' position ...
[06:49] <LaserJock> haha
[06:50] <LaserJock> dude, I could get hired to watch the buildd's and email people
[06:50] <LaserJock> that's actually how Launchpad runs
[06:50] <cprov> LaserJock: it would be nice to ask user what they would like more, email or RSS
[06:50] <LaserJock> there's no DB, it's just little monkey's running around in the DC
[06:50] <LaserJock> cprov: RSS would be very sweet
[06:50] <cprov> LaserJock: lol
[06:51] <LaserJock> cprov: long term do you guys have any plans to have PPA usage statistics? like how many times a package was downloaded?
[06:52] <cprov> LaserJock:  not really, since PPA are served from a external plain httpd ...
[06:53] <LaserJock> k, just wondered
[06:53] <iwj> Maybe I should mention this here instead.  LP just told me "Launchpad is currently offline for maintenance"
[06:53] <cprov> LaserJock: maybe we can get stats over 'dgetable'  and "apt-firefox-handler" instalations
[06:54] <mayeco> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas -> Timeout error OOPS-608A1269
[06:54] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/608A1269
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #136431 in launchpad "falsely claims lp is offline for maintenance" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136431
[07:26] <cbx33> come on:( almost 2 hours now
[07:26] <cbx33> hehe
[08:02] <synic> alright you bzr people, after a "bzr update", how can I find out what files were changed?
[08:05] <LaserJock> synic: there's also #bzr for bzr questions :-)
[08:27] <cbx33> is it better to have a low or high build score?
[08:27] <cbx33> Build score:  	295
[08:54] <cprov-lunch> cbx33: depends what do you mean by "better" ...  build-score ~ priority, higher build-scores will be processed first
[08:55] <cbx33> darn
[08:55] <cbx33> i know they go up to 1000
[08:55] <kiko-phone> heh
[08:55] <cbx33> i'm at 200 now
[08:55] <cbx33> hehe
[08:55] <kiko-phone> it goes up as time goes by
[08:55] <kiko-phone> just like in casablanca
[08:55] <cbx33> w00t
[08:55] <cbx33> one of my packages just built
[08:57] <cbx33> thanks everyone
[08:57] <cbx33> two minutes to build
[08:57] <cbx33> must be tiny
[08:57] <cbx33> hehe
[09:06] <cbx33> typo - Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel.
[09:06] <cbx33> Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload your package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel.
[09:06] <cbx33> you and your!
[09:10] <kiko-phone> cbx33, I think you can fix this, right?
[09:10] <kiko> damned ghosts
[09:11] <cbx33> I am not allowed to edit this page
[09:11] <cbx33> anyone willing to make me able to?
[09:12] <kiko> cbx33, are you not logged into the wiki?
[09:12] <cbx33> oh
[09:12] <cbx33> hehe
[09:12] <cbx33> probably
[09:12] <kiko> fixed
[09:14] <cbx33> bah
[09:14] <cbx33> beaten to it
[09:33] <cbx33> why do ppa's fail to upload??
[09:33] <cbx33> it built ok
[09:42] <synic> what does this mean? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes
[09:46] <cbx33> synic, hmmm
[09:46] <cbx33> synic, ouch
[10:04] <popey> here's a question for the group
[10:04] <cbx33> ok
[10:05] <popey> we have made some screencasts, and someone has created a file - which is a .srt file - a "subtitle" file, so that other people can translate it
[10:05] <cbx33> cool
[10:05] <popey> would it make sense to upload that srt to lp and have it translatable there?
[10:05] <popey> or would lp not support .srt?
[10:07] <LaserJock> popey: you might have to convert it to a .pot first
[10:08] <popey> is that easy/hard/dunno ?
[10:08] <LaserJock> I guess it depends on what a .srt file looks like :-)
[10:08] <popey> well..
[10:08] <popey> 1
[10:08] <popey> 00:00:00,462 --> 00:00:03,934
[10:08] <popey> Hello my name is Andrew Gee and welcome to this Ubuntu screencast.
[10:08] <popey> lots of lines like that
[10:09] <LaserJock> seems like that should be scriptable
[10:09] <popey> I don't know what a .pot file looks like
[10:13] <LaserJock> it's got some header stuff and then lines like:
[10:13] <LaserJock> msgid "An introduction to the background and philosophy of the Ubuntu operating system."
[10:13] <LaserJock> msgstr ""
[10:16] <cbx33> hmm
[10:25] <cbx33> popey, that should be scriptable enough
[10:25] <cbx33> wanna give me an example file
[10:25] <cbx33> LaserJock, got an example pot file?
[10:26] <synic> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/changes  <-- is anyone else getting this error?
[10:26] <cbx33> synic, no
[10:26] <Rinchen> synic, hmm that's interesting
[10:27] <synic> the repository itself is working
[10:27] <cbx33> yeh
[10:27] <cbx33> looks like something is screwing up the code browser
[10:29] <Rinchen> I'll pass this along. We've had some challenges with codebrowse occasionally and we've taken steps to address it.
[10:30] <Rinchen> synic, how do you pronounce exaile? is it like exhale?
[10:31] <synic> kinda, just without the h
[10:31] <synic> it's named after a goa/psytrance group
[10:31] <Rinchen> ah, that's why it always looks familiar to me :-)
[10:31] <Rinchen> thanks
[10:31] <synic> :)
[10:35] <popey> cbx33: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-screencasts/2007-August/000008.html
[10:35] <popey> check the attachment
[10:35] <cbx33> kk
[10:38] <cbx33> thanks popey 
[10:39] <synic> heh, my karma is 4185.  I guess that's what I get for writing an automatic trac2launchpad script
[10:40] <kiko> synic, I noticed that! did you use the XMLRPC API?
[10:40] <synic> I didn't even know there was one.  I used python-mechanize
[10:40] <kiko> synic, so exaile is pretty neat. I have a hard time with the treeview on the left, though
[10:41] <synic> oh?  How so?
[10:41] <kiko> synic, I find it cumbersome to have to unfold artist and album to find a song
[10:41] <cbx33> popey, I'm on the case
[10:41] <kiko> not totally unusable but harder to use than an expanded list
[10:41] <kiko> hey popey 
[10:42] <synic> I never did like the expanded list thing... but I was an Amarok user for a long time
[10:42] <kiko> synic, so: https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC?highlight=%28xml%29
[10:43] <popey> yo kiko 
[10:43] <synic> damn... that would have been a lot easier.
[10:43] <synic> oh well.
[10:45] <kiko> synic, :)
[10:45] <kiko> how's it going popey 
[10:45] <kiko> synic, are you going to publish trac2launchpad?
[10:45] <synic> kiko: I might throw it up on my blog or something. 
[10:45] <popey> great kiko - looking forward to UDS :)
[10:46] <synic> kiko: so are you an employee of canonical?  Are you being payed to work on launchpad?
[10:46] <popey> uhhhh Gutsy, _then_ UDS :)
[10:46] <kiko> synic, very nice if you could do that -- I know a few projects that would find it useful
[10:46] <kiko> synic, yeah, SteveA and Rinchen and I are responsible for it
[10:46] <synic> do they pay you guys well?
[10:46] <kiko> popey, I am scared by gutsy
[10:46] <popey> heh
[10:46] <popey> surely you have nothing to worry about in your nice big launchpad tower?
[10:47] <synic> I'm just curious :)
[10:47] <popey> far far away from all things ubuntu ;)
[10:47] <kiko> popey, if only I could always hide in this pearly tower! they bring me down to the reality of -proposed clashing with partner clashing with rtl8139!
[10:47] <synic> ... because if so, I'm totally jealous.  
[10:47] <popey> erk, sounds pleasant
[10:48] <kiko> synic, it's a fun job and to get paid to work for something which is generally useful is always very cool
[10:48] <synic> that would be right up in the "dream job" category for me
[10:48] <kiko> so it's a dream until you wake up to 800 messages in your inbox
[10:48] <kiko> that I need to fix
[10:48] <synic> haha
[10:49] <kiko> man my wifi has been so flaky these last 48h
[10:49] <synic> I do like my current job, though.  http://synic.phonese.cx/comments.php?2833  <-- our new breakroom
[10:49] <kiko> the quality goes down and up and down..
[10:49] <Odd_Bloke> On a vaguely related note, do Canonical have any intern-y/uni-student-on-a-year-out type posts?
[10:49] <kiko> Odd_Bloke, sometimes we do have intern positions, in particular for Ubuntu I think
[10:50] <cbx33> popey, done it
[10:50] <cbx33> i think
[10:50] <cbx33> apart from the headers etc
[10:50] <cbx33> want the code
[10:50] <kiko> that is actually pretty cool
[10:51] <Odd_Bloke> kiko: Any idea if they'd be in the UK or does it depend on the position?
[10:51] <kiko> Odd_Bloke, I think it depends. have you checked the job openings?
[10:52] <popey> canonical have quite a few openings IIRC
[10:52] <popey> mad amounts
[10:52] <Odd_Bloke> kiko: I haven't, I'm considering it for the academic year after the next (i.e. in about a year).
[10:52] <cbx33> popey, http://www.pastebin.ca/677246
[10:52] <cbx33> based on http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ubuntu-doc/trunk/annotate/vcs-imports%40canonical.com-20070831103409-9gul6jgryq0a7dd8?file_id=packagingguide.pot-20061107205354-37569jqxbzg4jsqs-6331
[10:53] <cbx33> and on the file you gave me
[10:53] <cbx33> it doesn't produce the meta data
[10:53] <popey> how do we deal with that?
[10:53] <cbx33> you'll have to create it manually
[10:53] <popey> someone needs to keep the meta data somewhere
[10:53] <cbx33> yes
[10:53] <cbx33> but i mean
[10:54] <cbx33> i don't know if you need it
[10:54] <cbx33> well
[10:54] <popey> thats a damn file first effort!
[10:54] <popey> we do, it's the timing info
[10:54] <popey> doesn't need to be in lp I guess
[10:54] <cbx33> no
[10:54] <cbx33> if i understand pot files
[10:54] <cbx33>  it should replace the lines in the srt with the lines from the pot file
[10:54] <cbx33> but please get someone else to confirm it;)
[10:58] <cbx33> hope it's useful to you
[10:59] <popey> you're great pete
[11:00] <cbx33> nah
[11:30] <nealmcb> in https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart it seems like the link to the packaging guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is old - would http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html be more up-to-date and official?
[11:31] <Rinchen> hi nealmcb, let me have a look
[11:31] <mdke_> nealmcb: yes and no
[11:32] <mdke_> nealmcb: more up to date, yes; more official, not really because that link is "work in progress". We need a link to the stable version for 7.04 ideally
[11:32] <nealmcb> mdke_: yeah, and I didn't find one for 7.04
[11:32] <mdke> nealmcb: that's right, I don't think there is one. That sucks
[11:32] <mdke> I'll sort it out
[11:32] <nealmcb> :-)
[11:33] <Rinchen> mdke, let me or mrevell know and we'll change the quickstart guide
[11:33] <Rinchen> thanks
[11:33] <nealmcb> my pleasure
[11:33] <mdke> Rinchen: ok
[11:33] <mdke> nealmcb: for now just follow 6.10 and make logical substitutions where appropriate; there have been few changes
[11:44] <synic> kiko: http://www.vimtips.org/article/20/migrating-from-trac-to-launchpad
[11:45] <kiko> synic, vimtips!
[11:45] <synic> hehe
[11:45] <synic> brb
[11:45] <kiko> I'm going to use that colorschema now!
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #136475 in launchpad "Search button is an image but doesn't have alt= text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136475
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #136476 in malone "Pressing Enter in bug-reporting "Summary" field doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136476
[12:01] <kiko> synic, I just closed my playlist. now what?
[12:01] <Rinchen> synic, your codebrowse issue is now fixed
[12:02] <Rinchen> synic, it's possible it was caused by bug 87355
[12:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87355 in launchpad-bazaar "loggerhead uses bdb" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87355 - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson)
[12:03] <synic> kiko: are you using the bzr stuff?
[12:03] <kiko> synic, I'm using feisty.
[12:03] <kiko> man it's really gone. 
[12:03] <synic> kiko: oh, so exaile 0.2.8?
[12:04] <kiko> aham
[12:04] <mwhudson> Rinchen: it's more than possible :)
[12:04] <kiko> isn't it weird to have to rename the tab and save it separately?
[12:04] <synic> I just drag tracks to the playlist tab
[12:04] <synic> btw, exaile is 0.2.10 now
[12:05] <synic> brb, boss is trying to yack at me
[12:05] <kiko> I drag tracks to it too, but how do you avoid losing them when you click on X by mistake? :)
[12:15] <synic> kiko: I mean the playlists tab on the left.  The tabs for the main area are just so you can have more than one open at a time.
[12:17] <kiko> I'll get the hang of it
[12:18] <kiko> genre is such a bong concept!
[12:19] <synic> bong concept?
[12:19] <kiko> demented? :)
[12:19] <synic> hah
[12:20] <synic> yeah, we're probably going to put 'tags' support in