[01:32] <bdgraue> are there known problems with compiz-fusion in gutsy? i have no windowdecorations, worked in feisty, what informations can i give to solve the problem?
[01:37] <FrankH> same problem here. had to disable desktop effects.
[01:39] <AlinuxOS> bdgraue, FrankH I have no window borders here...
[01:39] <bdgraue> same here
[01:40] <Arwen> are you all on NVIDIA by any chance?
[01:40] <bdgraue> nvidia
[01:40] <Arwen> you have ADDARBGLXVisuals 24 or whatever, right?
[01:40] <FrankH> nvidia here
[01:40] <bdgraue> think so, yes
[01:41] <FrankH> Arwen: what is that?
[01:41] <bdgraue> 	Option 		"AddARGBGLXVisuals" 	"true"
[01:42] <bdgraue> in Section "Device"
[01:42] <Arwen> FrankH, sets 24-bit glx visuals
[01:42] <FrankH> have to check
[01:42] <Arwen> helps if the window decorator errors out with "32-bit mode, no such thing, blah blah blah"
[01:43] <bdgraue> Arwen: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14343/  this is my xorg.conf
[01:47] <bdgraue> something wrong in there?
[01:47] <Arwen> nope, not that I can see.
[01:47] <Arwen> That's a really nice pastebin by the way, really easy to read :-)
[01:47] <bdgraue> yes it is :)
[01:49] <Arwen> bdgraue, what happens when you run "gtk-window-decorator" or "emerald" from a terminal?
[01:51] <FrankH> dumb question...where did the the device manage go under admin?
[01:51] <bdgraue> gtk-window-decorator does not work, cause i have kde, if i type emerald or emerald --replace i get nothing
[01:52] <Arwen> absolutely nothing? because almost NOTHING every "doesn't do anything".
[01:52] <Arwen> s/every/ever
[01:52] <bdgraue> i can give you that pastebin of nothing if you wsh ;)
[01:53] <bdgraue> wish
[01:53] <Arwen> hmm
[01:53] <Arwen> I could help you more if I actually still used compiz :-P
[01:53] <bdgraue> it seems so
[01:54] <bdgraue> i have the fusion-icon installed
[01:54] <bdgraue> Arwen: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14260/
[01:54] <FrankH> funny thing about the windowsdecorations is that it goes away at lower resolutions
[01:55] <Arwen> bdgraue, hmm, no idea
[01:55] <bdgraue> there is an error, but i have no idea how to solve this
[01:57] <wfarr> Gstreamer is super bust on this end
[01:57] <Arwen> oh?
[01:58] <wfarr> Yeah
[01:58] <FrankH> no sound here either
[01:58] <wfarr> getting Internal Data Stream errors using any Gstreamer-using app
[01:58] <wfarr> works fine in non-Gstreamer players
[01:58] <Arwen> dunno, I don't use GStreamer either
[01:59] <RAOF> wfarr: Works for me
[01:59] <wfarr> RAOF, check updates - Gstreamer updates came down the pipe like 20 minutes ago here
[01:59] <wfarr> after updating those, Gstreamer has ceased to work for me
[01:59] <RAOF> Hm, maybe I've missed them then.
[02:04] <bdgraue> bye
[02:12] <lufis> Is kde 4 going to be in gutsy?
[02:13] <Arwen> no
[02:13] <RAOF> Yes, kinda.
[02:13] <RAOF> It's not going to be default, of course.
[02:13] <lufis> kind of?
[02:13] <lufis> oh
[02:14] <lufis> Bummer :(
[02:14] <Arwen> wfarr, gstreamer0.10 still works here
[02:14] <Arwen> also still has that stupid H.264 corruption bug, but oh well
[02:14] <FrankH> looks like the fluendo mp3 codecs for gstreamer are killing my sound in ubuntu gutsy
[02:16] <wfarr> Arwen, version 0.10.5.debian-1?
[02:16] <wfarr> er hm
[02:16] <wfarr> some odd packaging variations
[02:17] <wfarr> in either case, any MP3's I tested with latest GST flopped
[02:17] <wfarr> but they play fine in XINE
[02:17] <snadge> i wish kde would just die already.. im so glad gnome is the default ;)
[02:18] <Arwen> 0.10.14-1ubuntu1
[02:18] <Arwen> I think you have problems
[02:18] <wfarr> Arwen, my plugins-base is the same
[02:19] <wfarr> the 0.10.5 = -fluendo-mp3
[02:19] <wfarr> but that's current
[02:19] <wfarr> snadge, I don't even like Amarok, but some music is better than none
[02:20] <FrankH> snadge:  why do you not like kde?
[02:21] <FrankH> linus does :)
[02:21] <stefano> Hello, Is the nvidia module compiled directly into the kernel in gutsy?
[02:21] <snadge> i wonder if hes ever actually looked at the source code, or tried to write a KDE application though
[02:21] <snadge> i doubt it
[02:21] <snadge> theres no doubt that KDE has a more attractive interface
[02:21] <stefano> Not really, gnome looks good too.
[02:22] <stefano> Just depends if you mod it or not.
[02:22] <FrankH> snadge: r u a gtk+ developer?
[02:22] <snadge> yes.. i think the gnome philosophy is more inline with what ubuntu is trying to achieve
[02:22] <FrankH> i find Qt "easy" to develop in
[02:22] <stefano> Could anyone tell me if there is a way to specify  which location to init gdm?
[02:22] <snadge> simple, with sane defaults
[02:23] <snadge> but admittedly i find some gnome applications a little TOO simple
[02:23] <stefano> I would like it to have it start always on F7 or display :0.0
[02:23] <stefano> snadge, simplicity is a beauty :D
[02:23] <snadge> eg.. as far as im concerned theres no better burning utility than k3b
[02:23] <FrankH> i'd like to see the same integration in gnome as in kde
[02:24] <snadge> gnomebaker, and all those other gtk burning programs.. are rather crappy
[02:24] <FrankH> <-- admittedly a former OSX user
[02:25] <snadge> FrankH: are you also a windows developer?
[02:25] <snadge> :P
[02:33] <FrankH> cross-platform. yes
[02:33] <FrankH> switched form gnome to kde about a year ago
[02:33] <FrankH> but use both
[02:33] <FrankH> there are a lot of things about gnome, too
[02:33] <snadge> so why doesnt gnome have a menu editor still
[02:33] <RAOF> Which menu do you mean?
[02:33] <snadge> the applications menu
[02:33] <RAOF> Right click->Edit menu
[02:33] <snadge> for example.. under windows you can just delete icons, create a new one etc.. the equivalent of "start" menu
[02:33] <snadge> LOL
[02:33] <snadge> since when has that been there?
[02:33] <RAOF> Edgy?
[02:33] <RAOF> Maybe Dapper?
[02:37] <stefano> Is it possible to install the nvidia website drivers on gutsy?
[02:38] <crdlb> stefano, can I ask why you want to?
[02:45] <stefano> crdlb, newer drivers?
[02:46] <RAOF> stefano: No, the same drivers.
[02:46] <RAOF> Also, the same *crap* drivers.
[02:46] <stefano> crdlb, I kind of screwed up, does the nvidia driver have an uninstall function?
[02:46] <crdlb> yes, but it doesn't work
[02:47] <stefano> How do i install the restricted drivers from console? I sudo apt-get install linux-rest.. blabla, great! Then how do you get the glx, GLcore?
[02:47] <stefano> and the nvidia module?
[02:48] <RAOF> Install the linux-generic & nvidia-glx packages.
[02:49] <stefano> linux-386 and nvidia-glx... ok. I will try that.
[02:50] <RAOF> Any particular reason you're using linux-386?
[02:50] <stefano> not really...
[02:51] <RAOF> You should probably be using linux-generic, then :)
[02:51] <stefano> I though that if i had it to my architecture it would run better?
[02:51] <stefano> It was all working before.
[02:51] <RAOF> No.
[02:51] <RAOF> -386 is the slow, compatible version.
[02:51] <stefano> lol!
[02:51] <RAOF> -generic is the faster one.
[02:51] <stefano> Damn...
[02:51] <stefano> Dummy me. :(
[02:52] <stefano> Wow, that seriously bums me out. I had so much fun thinking my pc was faster.
[02:52] <RAOF> Nope.  Slower, and only using 1 cpu :)
[02:53] <stefano> Even HT?
[02:53] <RAOF> Even HT.
[02:54] <Iradigalesc> Hello! I upgrade to gusty and now I can't use phpmyadmin :( The configuration file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret). It works well with feisty
[02:56] <stefano> RAOF, hmm you sure saved a life ^^. That's why i always wanted to compile my kernel to a 686, now i don
[02:58] <stefano> Is the apt-get cache always the same?
[02:59] <stefano> I mean, if i want to reinstall gutsy again from scratch, is it possible to copy the apt cache somewhere else and later copy it back so i don't have to redownload all the updates?
[02:59] <defendguin> i updated today some gstreamer packages were included in the updates and now i can't play mp3 with rhythmbox   :-((
[03:01] <winston> hi
[03:01] <RAOF> stefano: Oh, yes you can.
[03:03] <macaco> hello
[03:03] <defendguin> anyone else have this happen to them?
[03:03] <stefano> Just making sure, /var/cache/apt, right?
[03:04] <stefano> lol, damn i still sound like a noob, even after being on linux for a few months.
[03:04] <stefano> It's like you never stop learning.
[03:05] <macaco> guys can please help me how i can change in session /usr/bin/compiz.real --ignore bla bla
[03:05] <macaco> ?
[03:09] <stefano> Does anyone know why is it that when install the restricted drivers, the console keyboard layout changes to a default one? Not the modified one i had before, and even uninstalling the restricted doesn't bring it back to working state.
[03:10] <stefano> Or even a better way to tackle the problem. How do i set the console (tty1) to have the same configuration as xkb?
[03:34] <snadge> when is gutsy being released again?
[03:37] <stefano> Oct something
[03:38] <stefano> between the 1 and the 30th ^^
[03:38] <Random832> not on the 31st?
[03:38] <Random832> could throw together a haloween theme
[03:39] <stefano> One that works throughout the year :D
[04:03] <Administrator> Hu
[04:03] <Administrator> Hi
[04:03] <Administrator> i dont have 4 workspaces for some reason
[04:03] <Administrator> any idea what happened?
[04:07] <Alpha_Cluster> did the gstreamer update break gstreamer for anyone else?
[04:17] <kou> can someone help me with lm-sensors?
[04:18] <fignew> sure
[04:19] <kou> ok, well I ran it and the did detecting
[04:19] <kou> it detects nothing
[04:19] <kou> how can I force a read on the CPU?
[04:21] <SeveredCross> I think Gstreamer just broke...
[04:22] <Alpha_Cluster> ok so im not the only one
[04:24] <bullgard4> What does Synaptic mean in its sentence: "For 2.4 kernels, this requires either installing prebuild modules or
[04:25] <bullgard4> building them using the lm-sensors-source package. For 2.6 kernels, use the modules that are already in the kernel tree."
[04:25] <bullgard4> with 'kernel tree'?
[04:28] <khermans_> where did /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist go in gutsy?
[04:28] <khermans_> it is broken up now?  and how does this work?
[04:28] <fignew> kou: the temperature?
[04:30] <kou> yes
[04:30] <fignew> try running acpi -t
[04:30] <fignew> that gives me the CPU temperature on my desktop & laptop without lmsensors
[04:30] <kou> cool
[04:30] <kou> thanks
[04:31] <fignew> that said
[04:31] <fignew> lmsensors does give more info
[04:31] <fignew> depending on the mobo (like fanspeed, voltages)
[04:31] <fignew> though I have seen a few cases where it makes the box unstable :P
[04:31] <kou> fignew, it's OLD
[04:31] <kou> really old
[04:31] <kou> lol
[04:32] <kou> like a 500mhz processor
[04:32] <kou> lol
[04:32] <fignew> it can't be that old if it supports acpi ;)
[04:32] <fignew> bah, tell that to my 40mhz IRC proxy ;)
[04:32] <kou> we're about to fid out
[04:32] <kou> lol
[04:32] <kou> find*
[04:32] <fignew> and my old 66mhz email server (RIP)
[04:33] <kou> lol
[04:33] <kou> my first was 64mhz
[04:33] <kou> lol
[04:33] <fignew> bullgard4: you need help?
[04:34] <kou> oh, btw: no ACPsuport in kernal, or incorrect acpi_path
[04:34] <fignew> figures since it's such an old box
[04:34] <bullgard4> fignew:  What does Synaptic mean by 'kernel tree' in its sentence: "For 2.4 kernels, this requires either installing prebuild modules or building them using the lm-sensors-source package. For 2.6 kernels, use the modules that are already in the kernel tree."
[04:34] <Alpha_Cluster> SeveredCross, i dont know for sure but i cannot get a audio player to use it
[04:35] <fignew> kou: you can try setting up lm-sensors using "sudo sensors-detect"
[04:35] <SeveredCross> Both Banshee and Rhythmbox are busted.
[04:35] <kou> already did
[04:35] <kou> that's why I'm here
[04:35] <kou> lol
[04:35] <fignew> and it didn't work?
[04:35] <kou> nope
[04:35] <kou> not at all
[04:35] <fignew> then your PC is too old :P
[04:35] <kou> it's not MY PC that's old
[04:35] <kou> lol
[04:35] <kou> I'm on my PC now
[04:35] <kou> lol
[04:36] <kou> it's my grandmother's pc
[04:36] <fignew> hehe
[04:36] <kou> I can't make the darn thing work...
[04:36] <fignew> grandmas don't care about CPU temperature ;)
[04:37] <fignew> bullgard4: I believe by kernel tree it's just talking about the kernel modules
[04:37] <kou> fignew, thermal failures are very bad
[04:37] <kou> lol
[04:37] <fignew> is it an intel chip?
[04:37] <kou> I got  in a row in um.. 30 secs
[04:37] <kou> lol
[04:37] <kou> yea
[04:37] <kou> P3
[04:37] <fignew> I'm pretty sure you're fine then
[04:38] <fignew> 90% sure that P3s will shut themselves down
[04:38] <fignew> when the overheat
[04:38] <kou> lol
[04:38] <fignew> and not fry themselves
[04:38] <kou> yea, but why does it overheat?
[04:38] <fignew> bad thermal paste
[04:38] <fignew> bad fan
[04:38] <fignew> too small of a heatsink :P
[04:38] <kou> yea, sounds about right
[04:38] <kou> lol
[04:39] <fignew> also, depending on the BIOS, you can set the computer to beep when it starts overheating
[04:39] <kou> can you walk me through that?
[04:39] <fignew> I know, cause I had a computer at work beeping at me like crazy today :P
[04:39] <fignew> sure, but your computer might not support it
[04:39] <fignew> still worth a shot though
[04:40] <fignew> reboot, when the 1st screen pops up, see what key it says you need to press inorder to enter setup
[04:40] <fignew> and press it
[04:40] <kou> bios: OptiPlez GX1 450MTbr+
[04:40] <kou> version A02
[04:40] <fignew> F12?
[04:40] <fignew> Delete?
[04:41] <kou> I'm on the bios
[04:41] <kou> that's how I got the data
[04:41] <kou> lol
[04:41] <fignew> ohh :p
[04:41] <fignew> well, its sorta funny, at home I have a Dell Optiplex
[04:41] <fignew> 500mhz
[04:42] <kou> 450
[04:42] <kou> lol
[04:42] <kou> 450mhz/320mb ram
[04:42] <fignew> that computer is so solid
[04:42] <kou> lol
[04:42] <fignew> I wouldn't worry about it overheating
[04:42] <fignew> just make sure it isn't too dusty ;)
[04:43] <kou> hm...
[04:43] <kou> well it overheared twice in less than 2 hrs
[04:43] <fignew> how do you know it overheated?
[04:43] <fignew> did it freeze?
[04:44] <kou> "Alert! Previous Thermal Failure"
[04:44] <kou> showed up at boot
[04:45] <kou> what is "Power management"?
[04:45] <fignew> that computer is funny, it also warns you when the case has been opened
[04:45] <kou> lol
[04:45] <fignew> powermanagement = how long it takes to turn off the Harddrive
[04:45] <fignew> when idle
[04:46] <fignew> or how long it takes to fall asleep / turn off the monitor
[04:46] <kou> ah... windows does that already though
[04:46] <kou> lol
[04:46] <fignew> Linux does that on its own too
[04:46] <kou> what about the beeping thingy?
[04:46] <kou> lmao
[04:46] <fignew> the bios just has it if you're in a DOS application or something
[04:46] <kou> yea, well it has XP installed and it's not mine to toy with on OSes
[04:47] <fignew> is there a "system health" menu in the BIOS?
[04:47] <kou> no
[04:47] <fignew> Well just snoop around in it
[04:47] <kou> chassis intrusion, DAC snoop, ACPI
[04:47] <fignew> and see if you can find anything that looks similar :P
[04:48] <fignew> is ACPI turned on?
[04:49] <kou> yea
[04:49] <fignew> dunno then :(
[04:50] <kou> wat is DAC Snoop, any idea?
[04:51] <fignew> no idea
[04:51] <fignew> but Dell sez: Video DAC Snoop lets you correct video problems that may occur when you use certain video expansion cards. The default is Off. If you are using a video expansion card and problems such as incorrect colors or blank windows occur, set Video DAC Snoop to On.
[04:51] <fignew> Don't ask me what that means :P
[04:52] <kou> ok, well thanks
[04:53] <kou> I can't figure this all out
[04:55] <kou> fignew, how many numbers in a bios password?
[04:55] <fignew> 8 is the max normally
[04:55] <kou> ty
[04:56] <kou> finally... got it disabled
[04:56] <kou> lol
[04:57] <kou> I accidentially set a bios password
[04:58] <fignew> lol
[05:05] <Random832> whoa...
[05:05] <Random832> oops wrong channel
[05:25] <khermans_> does anyone have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
[05:25] <khermans_> it seems to have disappeared in gutsy
[05:28] <xtknight> khermans_,  i have it
[05:28] <xtknight> (and i have gutsy too :) )
[05:28] <khermans_> xtknight, interesting
[05:28] <khermans_> xtknight, you have that one file, or somehting like blacklist-*
[05:28] <xtknight> you can just put it in any blacklist-* file
[05:29] <xtknight> i have "blacklist" literally
[05:29] <shirish> !rsync
[05:29] <xtknight> which i actually dont remember seeing on Feisty
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <khermans_> oh, i dont know where mine went
[05:29] <shirish> !info rsync
[05:29] <ubotu> rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.9-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 256 kB, installed size 516 kB
[05:30] <khermans_> xtknight, you know what sucks about the blacklist file?
[05:30] <khermans_> why does it require you to type "blacklist"
[05:30] <khermans_> are there any other possible options?
[05:30] <xtknight> lol
[05:30] <xtknight> i dont know..
[05:30] <khermans_> no one knows it seems..
[05:30] <khermans_> if you find out, let me know :-)
[05:31] <khermans_> whatever, im filing a bug...
[05:31] <xtknight> for that?
[05:31] <xtknight> or a missing blacklist file?
[05:31] <khermans_> xtknight, yeah, its useless
[05:31] <khermans_> no, feature request to remove that
[05:31] <xtknight> hm
[05:31] <khermans_> there is no man page entry for it
[05:32] <xtknight> ya its a debian thing i guess
[05:32] <xtknight> wait..
[05:32] <xtknight> "man modprobe.conf"
[05:32] <khermans_> xtknight, yes -- well we're all here ot make it better
[05:32] <khermans_> include, ...
[05:32] <xtknight> so actually the files dont have to be called "blacklist" at all
[05:32] <khermans_> so there are other options
[05:32] <xtknight> they just are, and they just happen to contain blacklist
[05:33] <xtknight> anything in modprobe.d is fair game for blacklitsing modules
[05:33] <khermans_> i guess so
[05:33] <khermans_> now i know!
[05:34] <khermans_> i still think the file disappeared
[05:34] <khermans_> i had it in warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, edgy, and feisty
[05:34] <xtknight> i didnt have it in feisty from what i remember :/
[05:34] <khermans_> i definitely had it
[05:35] <khermans_> apt-file might tell me
[05:35] <xtknight> dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:35] <xtknight> module-init-tools: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:36] <khermans_> yup
[05:36] <khermans_> feisty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/module-init-tools
[05:36] <shirish> guys does anybody know ubuntulog works?
[05:36] <khermans_> was in there too...
[05:37] <shirish> I know it keeps a log of a room/channel
[05:37] <shirish> !ubuntulog
[05:37] <ubotu> ubuntulog is a logging bot run on various Ubuntu channels. You can read the logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[05:37] <khermans_> oh fabs :-)
[05:38] <RAOF> You can find one of my old passwords in the logs for #ubuntu-devel if you try :(
[05:38] <khermans_> lol
[05:39] <shirish> RAOF: I was interested in finding something else ;)
[05:40] <shirish> ROAF: for instance do you know that ubuntu+1 logs for the last 10 days are not present :(
[05:40] <shirish> I was trying to find some info. which unfortunately is not in my pidgin log :(
[05:42] <khermans_> shirish, just google some of the keywords you typed
[05:43] <shirish> khermans_: I could, but there was some conversation about some stuff which I don't think google will know.
[05:43] <khermans_> google knows everything
[05:44] <khermans_> speaking of people knowing everything, i just read about this hack that those 3-letter agencies can use to enable your cell phone remotely
[05:45] <khermans_> so, unless you take out the battery, you have a mobile microphone in your pocket...
[05:47] <shirish> khermans_: you can pv me the link if you would like, I love reading govt. conspirancy stuff ;)
[05:48] <shirish> pv/pm
[05:48] <khermans_> shirish, http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061203-8343.html
[05:48] <khermans_> sorry
[05:49] <shirish> no issues, I just hope we didn't offend anybody with off-topic stuff.
[05:49] <khermans_> the phone were running ubuntu i think...
[05:50] <khermans_> :-P
[05:50] <voidmage> how do I install eclipse visual editor?
[05:51] <khermans_> voidmage, sudo aptitude install eclipse
[05:53] <shirish> khermans_: have you played/worked with rsync or Grsync?
[05:54] <shirish> I am looking for a method to do backups for my data.
[05:58] <stunt> :)
[06:00] <stunt> any idea Evanlec ?
[06:00] <Evanlec> stunt no i was just suggesting this channel ;p
[06:03] <arooni> hey folks
[06:03] <arooni> how often should i set my update manager to run
[06:03] <arooni> and should i download automatically
[06:03] <arooni> and hav eit install without my permission
[06:04] <h1st0> arooni: thats up to you.
[06:04] <h1st0> I wouldn't with a dev release untill its further down the road.
[06:10] <graft> yo - i upgraded xorg and now it's borked - i suspect some tweaks regarding my card (radeon xpress 200M) are to blame
[06:10] <graft> anyone heard any such?
[06:22] <graft> hmm seems to be this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/133214
[06:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133214 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[xpress 200m]  doesn't load the gnome desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:24] <shirish> guys is this true that we have moved from bash shell to dash, if so anyway to find out which shell somebody is running?
[06:25] <crdlb> shirish, yes
[06:26] <crdlb> since edgy
[06:26] <crdlb> ls -ld /bin/sh
[06:26] <crdlb> would tell you
[06:26] <shirish> crdlb: oh, didn't know, I was always under the impression that we used GNU bash
[06:26] <shirish> crdlb: thank you
[06:46] <graft> err, moved away from dash meaning that dash is now linked from /bin/sh, NOT that dash is the default login shell
[06:47] <graft> since dash has, like, zero functionality
[06:57] <RAOF> Indeed.  It's got less features than bash, and is faster.
[06:57] <RAOF> So we use it for running shell scripts.
[08:07] <arooni> hey folks
[08:07] <arooni> i just installed the new compviz updates
[08:07] <arooni> and now i dont get cool sexy effects anymore
[08:07] <arooni> should i reboot my computer?
[08:08] <arooni> also; alsa mixer doesnt work anymore :(
[08:08] <arooni> must i recompile from source
[08:10] <jussi01> !compiz | arooni
[08:10] <ubotu> arooni: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:11] <arooni> how do i learn the status of a ftp connnectoin i initate with places ==> ftp
[08:11] <arooni> its just blue
[08:16] <snax> hey, anyone using gnome-main-menu (slab)
[08:47] <kousotu> how would I go about installing flash from adobe?
[08:47] <kousotu> er..
[08:47] <kousotu> micromedia
[08:47] <kousotu> lol
[08:58] <jussi01> kousotu: why not use the version in the repos? ie. sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:58] <jussi01> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[08:58] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu8 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 148 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[09:19] <Evanlec> test
[09:42] <_4strO> yop
[09:45] <kousotu> how do you repair firefox plugins?
[09:51] <pvandewyngaerde_> what is broken ?
[09:53] <kousotu> they don;t show
[09:54] <kousotu> hm...
[09:54] <kousotu> nowit does..
[09:54] <kousotu> nvm
[10:32] <arooni> hey folks!
[10:32] <arooni> i'm having loads of trouble with my sound card
[10:32] <arooni> i have a t61 with intel_hda... and i installed alsa from source
[10:32] <arooni> and now i get this error: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[10:32] <arooni> when i modprobe snd_ihda_intel
[10:33] <arooni> [  227.536000]  snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_elem_write
[10:33] <arooni> [  227.536000]  snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_device_new
[10:33] <arooni> [  227.536000]  snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_device_new
[10:33] <arooni> [  227.536000]  snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_disconnect
[10:44] <DanaG> Oh, have you rebooted after installing the new modules?
[10:45] <DanaG> You may just be having version conflicts -- system has old versions of base modules loaded.
[11:27] <asisak> Do you know happened to the "Hibernate" button in System / Quit ...
[11:32] <Do``> hey
[11:32] <asisak> hey Do``
[11:32] <Do``> i just found that the pidgin upgrade is being kept back
[11:33] <Do``> and when i wanted to force the upgrade to install the missing depedencies
[11:33] <Do``> i got broken package errors and stuff
[11:33] <Do``> did anybody else exp something similar with it?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> just...fix the broken packages?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> pidgin's showing as installable here...
[11:35] <Hobbsee> assuming you do a dist-upgrade, to fix the held back packages.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Do``: ^
[11:35] <Do``> sec
[11:35] <Do``> http://pastebin.com/m56596caa
[11:36] <Do``> so far i didnt encounter such errors so i dont know how to resolve it
[11:37] <Hobbsee> Do``: okay, so you tried to fix it completely wrong
[11:37] <Do``> could be
[11:37] <Hobbsee> Do``: lesson #3 of apt.  if packages are held back, do a dist-upgrade.
[11:37] <Do``> huh. :D
[11:37] <Hobbsee> dont try to download a particular version of it, i'ts not hte problem, and will almost never be the problem.  the only case you'd use that is to downgrade a version.
[11:38] <Do``> so far this solution worked and it's not my idea, it came from here ;)
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Do``: yeah, but whether the original person had no idea either....
[11:38] <Do``> :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Do``: lesson number #4 is dont use --force-depends, btw.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> if you were ever told to try it
[11:39] <Do``> i learned something new today.. :D hopefully that gtk engine upgrade will fix a bug too :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> hopefully
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Do``: parts of apt you dont want to use unless you know what you're doing.
[11:40] <Hobbsee> which you probably dont, unless you do packaging and such.
[11:40] <Do``> this kind of forced installation would be 1 part i dont want to use.. right? :D
[11:40] <Hobbsee> well, you tried to force a particular version, which was pointless, as that's not where the problem si
[11:40] <Hobbsee> but you didnt manage to break things while doing it
[11:40] <Do``> hehe
[11:41] <Do``> got another question now that i'm here
[11:41] <Do``> how come the gnome control center doesnt show up in the system menu?
[11:41] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01
[11:42] <Do``> i'll try to look for missing stuff then, thanks for the help Hobbsee :) the dist-upgrade just finished
[11:44] <praecox> hey guys
[11:44] <praecox> any news on correcting problem with KMail?
[11:46] <Asher256> ubotu, hi bot
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <jussi01> !bot > Asher256
[12:09] <Infecto> hi
[12:09] <Infecto> any one have idea how to repair kmail?
[12:14] <jussi01> Infecto: if there is a bug, then the information will probably be on the bug
[12:15] <Dannilion> what is wrong with kmail?
[12:15] <Infecto> yep, its bug but i did not see any solutions
[12:19] <jussi01> Infecto: well the solutions will be there when they are available
[12:58] <Asad2005> synaptic in gusty doesnot seems to display all available apps, anyone knows how to overcome this
[12:59] <Asad2005> I have selected all available applications from the list
[12:59] <mr-russ> Asad2005: did you enable universe?
[12:59] <Asad2005> yes
[01:01] <humbolto> I would like to bring to your attentlon, that upgrades from Feisty to Gutsy fail due to a problem with upgrading libc6.
[01:01] <mr-russ> humbolto: I'd file a bug on launchpad.
[01:01] <humbolto> I filed a bug already (already is good, I know this bug since Tribe3 and did not file it until now). https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136337
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136337 in ubuntu "libc6 and/or libc6-i686 upgrade fail" [Undecided,New] 
[01:07] <h1st0> Wow no settings manager with compiz in gusty?
[01:08] <h1st0> and enable effects takes you to 2 workspaces with no way of changing it.
[01:12] <h1st0> installed it now
[01:14] <humbolto> h1st0: I tried to change the number of workspaces as well. Did edit gconf therefore. Unfortunately this did not work very well, since there are different places to change the number of workspaces.
[01:15] <humbolto> h1st0: There are also different places to control how to navigate through them. I ended up with a config, that would move 2 workspaces to the left when I would hit <crtl><alt><left> instead of just moving one as expected.
[01:16] <humbolto> Also the workspaces where not recognized as such buy either compiz or gnome, whether I configured it in the one place or the other.
[01:27] <h1st0> Yeah if you install settings manager it works fine
[01:28] <h1st0> Now I just have to figure out why my audio is crackling
[01:28] <h1st0> Did any one notice there are no start up sounds?  Like when gdm login comes up?
[01:30] <snadge> you running pulseaudio?
[01:32] <h1st0> Just using rythmbox
[01:32] <h1st0> Going to try counterstrike here in a minute.
[01:33] <h1st0> brb
[01:42] <h1st0> Okay its a codec issue something with rythmbox.  mp3s are completely borked now but radio streams are still crackling.
[01:42] <h1st0> VLC has no such problems
[01:42] <h1st0> neways gnight
[01:56] <humbolto> snadge: is pulseaudio default in gutsy now?
[02:18] <hylje> hmm, how would i have my ipod be used on banshee instead of rockbox?
[02:18] <hylje> i mean, rockbox pops up automagically when my ipod is brought up
[02:19] <Pici> Isnt there a preference that deals with that.
[02:20] <hylje> ah yes
[02:20] <hylje> not in preferred applications
[02:26] <jsomers> hylje: system - preferences - removable devices and media
[02:26] <hylje> thanks
[02:49] <macaco> hello
[02:50] <jussi01> hi
[02:51] <jussi01> !info xorg
[02:51] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-5ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 29 kB, installed size 56 kB
[02:51] <macaco> man how i find where is session file that can change /usr/bin/compiz.real
[02:55] <macaco> hello?
[02:58] <macaco> can anyone here please help me ???
[02:58] <Pici> macaco: I'm not sure what you are asking.
[02:59] <macaco> look i have ubuntu gutsy and my CF don't work fine
[03:01] <macaco> i have Nvidia gforce 6600 i enable working fine but CF crash and wen i call ccsm Cube or desktop wall no working
[03:02] <macaco> animate effect working but crash wen i can application amarok
[03:03] <mathrick> hi, did the d-i files layout change between Feisty and Gutsy?
[03:03] <mathrick> I'm using https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html to install on my CD-less X60
[03:03] <mathrick> and it can't file Packages and Release
[03:05] <macaco> i find in Session on current session CF is there but like this /usr/bin/compiz.real --ignore
[03:05] <mathrick> it says: Unable to find main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Release in /cdrom/dists/gutsy/Release
[03:05] <mathrick> which is silly
[03:06] <macaco> mathrick gutsy is Beta, you have to install fresh i think
[03:06] <mathrick> macaco: ...
[03:07] <mathrick> that's exactly what I'm doing, have you even looked at what I linked to?
[03:09] <macaco> i download Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Tribe 5
[03:09] <macaco> x86
[03:10] <macaco> you can find here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[03:10] <arkygeek> hihi
[03:11] <arkygeek> i tried suspend on my laptop, and now I can't get back into X :s  even after a full reboot, it is borked.  starts to load X, then breaks and kicks me back to tty
[03:13] <Dannilion> it's official- my laptop does not want gutsy on it anymore
[03:14] <arkygeek> sounds like you have my condition Dannilion
[03:14] <arkygeek> :s
[03:14] <macaco> you guys what version gutsy are using?
[03:15] <arkygeek> macaco: not sure...
[03:15] <arkygeek> about a week maybe week and a half old
[03:16] <Dannilion> tribe 2 alterate Kubuntu worked, but didn't have the graphics fix (that came in tribe 3). tribe 3 Ubuntu, tribe 3 Kubuntu and tribe 5 kubuntu do not want to work- the desktop kubuntu ones won't get past 5% of formatting the partition, the ubuntu one got stuck at detecting hardware
[03:16] <macaco> download tribe 5 and try
[03:17] <Dannilion> I have a very slow connection- it takes me a long time to download a new copy
[03:17] <Dannilion> I have tribe 5 Kubuntu desktop already- that got stuck at the partitioning stage
[03:17] <macaco> i never like kubuntu  ubuntu is better
[03:17] <Dannilion> I prefer KDE
[03:18] <Dannilion> the tribe 3 Ubuntu desktop came on a magazine DVD, so it's not my burning that's the problem
[03:18] <macaco> hmm
[03:19] <macaco> so what is the problem in you lap Dannilion
[03:20] <Dannilion> I don't know
[03:20] <Dannilion> possibly the harddrive, possibly the dvd drive
[03:21] <Dannilion> just it does not like any of my gutsy discs
[03:21] <macaco> what is installed now?
[03:21] <Dannilion> Nothing properly
[03:22] <Dannilion> apart from windows, which I can't access because Grub is dead
[03:22] <macaco> do you format you hard driver
[03:22] <Dannilion> I formatted the partitions
[03:22] <Dannilion> I'll install tribe 2 and see if I can remember how to fix the graphics
[03:23] <macaco> good luck
[03:23] <Dannilion> thanks
[03:24] <Dannilion> luckily for me the text install is much faster :p
[03:37] <Kousotu> I'm having sound issues... AGAIN...
[03:46] <gnomefreak> Kousotu: im thinking most people do
[03:46] <Kousotu> gnomefreak: it's starting to tick me off..
[03:47] <Kousotu> because it only breadks After I update
[03:47] <Kousotu> if I didn't update anytihng, it'd be fine
[03:47] <Hobbsee> sound is a pain
[03:47] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: I'v noticed..
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: if crimsun's not around, you could always start debugging it yourself - the docs are quite good
[03:47] <gnomefreak> Kousotu: mine broke a while ago and i just pinged our sound guy but hes outt of country so i dont know when ill hear back
[03:48] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: hes out of country but pinged him anyway :)
[03:49] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: it workson my "headhones" (old speakers from m fried Emachine T2240) but not from the speakers on my laptop
[03:49] <Kousotu> but wait, it gets better
[03:49] <Kousotu> and even on the speakers, it only works on the left side
[03:52] <Lin> network-admin is setting wext as my driver (To atheros card), but the driver just DONT works. Changing to madwifi should be better. Is this a bug?
[03:54] <Lin> s/network-admin/network manager/
[03:57] <Kousotu> Lin: what atheros card?
[03:59] <Lin> Kousotu: dlink d-520g
[04:03] <Lin> Kousotu: in fact, there is no way to configure using network-manager, I always use vi to do the task, no problem for me, but its a problem for users. IMHO, wifi things are not working together. We have to models to configure network interfaces wireless-* or wpa-* (man pages say that both them works, but (again IMHO) i dont think). Any help is welcome.
[04:05] <Lin> Kousotu: this card:  Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)  Subsystem: D-Link System Inc D-Link AirPlus DWL-G520 Wireless PCI Adapter(rev.B)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> i didnt think those were even supported by atheros
[04:05] <Hobbsee> oh wait, the earlier versions are, that's right
[04:06] <Lin> Hobbsee: they are. I use at home and here
[04:06] <Lin> but they aren't VERY stable.
[04:06] <Lin> I can put 200 computers working fine. but only "vi" configuring it.
[04:06] <Lin> Using network-manager is impossibke.
[04:07] <Lin> Another thing. network-manager only starts network interface after user login. There is any way to start card at boot time?
[04:07] <Kousotu> Lin: I don't know about that
[04:08] <Lin> Kousotu: about what? start at boot time?
[04:08] <Kousotu> AR5007EG smy Atheros card
[04:08] <Kousotu> Lin: yes, boot-time
[04:08] <Lin> Kousotu: should be a nice add on.
[04:09] <Kousotu> Lin: check wifi radar
[04:09] <Lin> i feel my hands tied, cause I really dont know what to do about network things.
[04:09] <Lin> Kousotu: I will check
[04:09] <Kousotu> Lin: my netowk on Linux is down agian...
[04:09] <Kousotu> zd1211rw AND my atheros card(never worked)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Lin: er, vi?  what's a text editor got to do with networking?
[04:10] <Lin> Hobbsee: vi /etc/network/interfaces ;-)
[04:10] <Lin> Hobbsee: I can use iwconfig too ;-) but changes are not permanent :-)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Lin: then you're actually talking about /etc/init.d/network
[04:10] <Hobbsee> which is != vi :P
[04:11] <Lin> Hobbsee: i do not edit init.d/networking  just interfaces file
[04:12] <Hobbsee> no, but the interfaces file is called by the above command...
[04:12] <Lin> Hobbsee: I know
[04:12] <Lin> in fact they are called for ifup / down
[04:13] <Lin> init.d/networking calls ifup/down
[04:13] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: know of any issues with zd1211rw on Tribe 4?
[04:13] <Lin> and this is called by runit (on ubuntu)
[04:13] <Kousotu> 5*
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: not offhand, but that doesnt mean anything as to whether they exist or not
[04:14] <Lin> Hobbsee: are you maintainer of atheros driver on ubuntu?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nope
[04:15] <Hobbsee> i just used to have an atheros card, and looked at buying a later version of the card that you have.
[04:15] <Lin> will bulletproof X comes with 7.10?
[04:15] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: what do you do?
[04:15] <Kousotu> lol
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Lin: that's the plan
[04:16] <Lin> Hobbsee: good.
[04:17] <Lin> Hobbsee: another question. Isn't a REAL BUG. There is any easy configurator to manage samba servar configs? As: Create SMB user, set up domain.
[04:17] <jeffferrari> !info wine
[04:17] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Lin: unsure, soren would know
[04:17] <Lin> cause shares-admin (smb) can add a share, ok. But users smb users are not created. Users think that is not working at all.
[04:18] <Lin> and there is no easy way to change domain name or join a existing domain.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: various bits and pieces.  the non-exhaustive list is:  irc ops, kubuntu development, MOTU, MOTU-UVF, bits on the ubuntu release team, core developer, list admin for a few of the ubuntu lists, etc....
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i'm missing a few there, i think
[04:18] <Lin> if there is no such tool, I iwll try to build one this weekend.
[04:19] <Lin> trying with python-gtk
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Lin: i dont play with that stuff. soren, or one of the server team will know
[04:19] <Lin> where they are?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-server, i expect
[04:20] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: was referingto inside the os only, but impressive list
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: *shrugs*.  well, in that case, here's my package list.  http://launchpad.net/~hobbsee/+packages
[04:23] <Kousotu> lol
[04:23] <Hobbsee> come on...
[04:24] <Kousotu> ?
[04:24] <Toma-> Hobbsee: just out of curiosity, what kind of job do you have?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Toma-: i'm a student, and i work at a supermarket.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: i'm uploading a 15mb tarball.  it's slow
[04:25] <Kousotu> lol
[04:25] <gusty231> hi @ all
[04:25] <Toma-> wow :) and you still find time for all the stuff you do in ubuntu. kudos to you.
[04:25] <Kousotu> the lexmark issue?
[04:25] <gusty231> right
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Toma-: it may not be smart.  *g*
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: hm?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> what about lexmark?
[04:26] <Kousotu> [09:20:25]  gusty231 : i have a problem setting up my lexmark printer in gusty
[04:26] <gusty231> right
[04:26] <Kousotu> [09:21:06]  gusty231 : IndyGunFreak: z615
[04:26] <Kousotu> lol
[04:26] <gusty231> hehe
[04:26] <gusty231> any ideas here?
[04:26] <Kousotu> Iwas watching that, and was gonna tell you to come here, butI thught Idy was gonna help you
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: bah.  no
[04:26] <jeffferrari> !info wine
[04:26] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no interest in printing
[04:26] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: huh??
[04:26] <jeffferrari> hmmm wasn't imagining things... where is this package?
[04:27] <Toma-> Hobbsee: need to look after yourself before others, otherwise you cant keep looking after them...
[04:27] <Kousotu> !wine
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: so no, i'm not uploading lexmark
[04:27] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:27] <Pici> jeffferrari: universe?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Toma-: yeah, well.  this is true.
[04:27] <jeffferrari> Pici: nope... checked
[04:27] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: wasn't asking you to
[04:27] <jeffferrari> Pici: at least not in gutsy repo like ubotu thinks
[04:27] <Kousotu> lol
[04:28] <Kousotu> jeffferrari: try just wine as the packge
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: ah.  i eventually figured that
[04:28] <Kousotu> lol
[04:28] <Kousotu> took ya long enought
[04:28] <Kousotu> -t
[04:28] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: who's in chargo of th wifi junk?
[04:28] <Kousotu> lol
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-kernel team
[04:29] <Kousotu> I'd love to get my atheros card working..
[04:29] <Kousotu> but 5 releases of Gutsy hasn't fixedthat yet
[04:29] <Kousotu> lol
[04:30] <snadge> just saw tribe 5 running on a friends laptop.. it has a designed for windows xp sticker on it
[04:30] <snadge> everything works.. suspend etc
[04:30] <Kousotu> snadge: Ubuntu Gutsy vs. XP (since I run both)
[04:31] <Kousotu> you could call Ubuntu winXP+
[04:31] <snadge> but apparently he has problems in windows xp.. cant set the native resolution of the panel
[04:31] <Kousotu> and my reason are simple
[04:31] <snadge> and some other technical issues which i cant remember
[04:31] <Pici> jeffferrari: I see it there...
[04:31] <Kousotu> snadge: Windows drivers arn't user-firendly
[04:32] <snadge> he told me he had tried several drivers.. including hacked ones which were supposed to work
[04:32] <snadge> and they didnt work either
[04:32] <slytherin> Is anybody having video playback problems using totem? Mine is an ATI Radeon 700 card if that matters. In mplayer also 'xv' output does not work.
[04:32] <Kousotu> snadge: it tok me FOUR HOURS to find a DVD driver...
[04:32] <snadge> whereas ubuntu just works.. wireless, everything ;)
[04:32] <jeffferrari> Pici: never mind... I'm such a tool... 64 bit lol
[04:32] <jeffferrari> completely forgot
[04:32] <Arwen> slytherin, nope, totem doesn't have any more problems *than usual* here
[04:32] <Arwen> still that stupid H.264 corruption bug
[04:32] <slytherin> Arwen: Which card?
[04:32] <Arwen> X300SE
[04:33] <Kousotu> Arwen: I use vlc, less hastle
[04:33] <Arwen> MPlayer
[04:33] <slytherin> Arwen: For me somehow the video playback has stopped. It doesn't show any video. Just audio. In mplayer I have to use 'X11' or 'gl' output
[04:33] <Arwen> VLC still has that crappy subtitle renderer
[04:33] <Arwen> slytherin, fglrx?
[04:34] <slytherin> Arwen: No. Free drivers
[04:34] <Arwen> *shrug*
[04:34] <snadge> what i want to know.. is how far off we are from being able to virtualise access to GPU as well as CPU.. ie, we pretty much have virtualisation running at native speeds.. but no 3d graphics? why not?
[04:34] <Kousotu> Arwen: I didn't have anyissues with it
[04:34] <slytherin> Arwen: 700 doesn't need binary drivers. It doesn't have any.
[04:35] <slytherin> Arwen: s/700/7000
[04:35] <Arwen> ....stop highlighting my name please
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Arwen: it's habit for irc.  deal.
[04:35] <Kousotu> not really Hobbsee, I rarely do
[04:35] <Kousotu> lol
[04:35] <Hobbsee> you can probably disable it if you really want.
[04:36] <Kousotu> and I aven't found a way to do that either
[04:36] <Kousotu> lol
[04:36] <slytherin> Arwen: Only you see it highlighted in your client
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: you clearly dont tend to often speak in big channels, or maintain a 24hour irc presense either
[04:36] <Kousotu> slytherin: this is true, but it droves some ppl crazy
[04:36] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: big chans ad rougly a 14 hr pressence
[04:37] <Kousotu> mom gets bitchy if I'm up past 2am
[04:37] <Kousotu> so I sty up till 4 lol
[04:37] <Kousotu> sta*
[04:37] <Kousotu> ...
[04:37] <Hobbsee> whoever said anything about being there the whole time.  just the client being there
[04:37] <Kousotu> damn keyboard..
[04:37] <slytherin> Kousotu: I didn't know that. It is useful feature for me to locate messages sent to me.
[04:37] <Kousotu> slytherin: but it isn't rally NEEDED after you get the person's attention
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: you clearly are *not* a busy person.
[04:38] <Pici> !who | ->
[04:38] <Kousotu> for the most part, I'll only useit once, to get their attention, then I don't se it after
[04:38] <Pici> er
[04:38] <Pici> !who
[04:38] <ubotu> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[04:38] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: of course I'm not lol
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ah, then if i ever stop speaking to you, you've been warned.
[04:38] <slytherin> Kousotu: Really? Well hang on #ubuntu for a while and you will know how hard it is to locate messages. :-)
[04:39] <Kousotu> nothing seems to work, so I end up talking here, ALOT
[04:39] <Kousotu> lol
[04:39] <Hobbsee> at any given time
[04:39] <Kousotu> it;s a breeze slytherin
[04:40] <Kousotu> and I;m IN ubuntu right now
[04:40] <Kousotu> lol
[04:40] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: huh?
[04:41] <Kousotu> how do you find out what sound card you have?
[04:41] <Kousotu> windows doesn't even tell you
[04:41] <Kousotu> lol
[04:41] <Hobbsee> lspci, or run crimsun's script somewhere
[04:41] <Kousotu> lspci -l ?
[04:41] <slytherin> Kousotu: just lspci
[04:41] <Kousotu> k
[04:45] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, where do u live?
[04:45] <AnRkey> London
[04:45] <AnRkey> ?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: no, sydney
[04:45] <AnRkey> oh
[04:45] <Kousotu> a good 15 hrs ahead of me
[04:45] <Kousotu> lol
[04:47] <jeffferrari> I'm in syd too - love showing off tribe 5 to apple support :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: what's the local time down there?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> @now sydney
[04:47] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 01 2007, 00:47:43 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 days
[04:47] <Kousotu> wow..
[04:48] <Kousotu> wait, 1 am?
[04:48] <jeffferrari> I didn't know ubotu did that
[04:48] <jeffferrari> yeah
[04:48] <Kousotu> 09:48:23
[04:48] <Kousotu> am here
[04:48] <Kousotu> yep, 15 hrs
[04:48] <Kousotu> lol
[04:48] <Kousotu> !time
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Kousotu> nope..
[04:49] <Kousotu> mabe...
[04:49] <Kousotu> .time
[04:49] <Hobbsee> @time
[04:49] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 31 2007, 14:49:22 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 days
[04:49] <Kousotu> ok, aparently I don't have one lol
[04:49] <jeffferrari> @ubotu
[04:49] <Kousotu> @time indiana
[04:50] <Kousotu> lmao
[04:50] <Kousotu> @time cst
[04:50] <Kousotu> @time CST
[04:50] <jeffferrari> yay - got a 64 bit binary direct from winehq repo - just grabbed the 7.04 ver...
[04:51] <Kousotu> wow, bot can't show my time
[04:51] <Kousotu> lol
[04:51] <jeffferrari> @time london
[04:51] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: August 31 2007, 15:51:33 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 days
[04:51] <Kousotu> @time USA
[04:51] <Kousotu> Error: Unknown timezone: USA
[04:51] <Kousotu> @time CST
[04:52] <Kousotu> it's inoring me now...
[04:52] <jeffferrari> @time texas
[04:52] <Kousotu> cruel bot
[04:52] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot
[04:52] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:52] <jeffferrari> !botabuse | jeff
[04:52] <ubotu> jeff: please see above
[04:52] <slytherin> Kousotu: Please don't abuse the bot
[04:53] <Kousotu> slytherin wasn't trying to?
[04:53] <Kousotu> guess I'll just use mIRC's commands then
[04:53] <Kousotu> lol
[04:54] <jeffferrari> Kousotu: I think you want @time central
[04:54] <jeffferrari> @time central
[04:54] <ubotu> Current time in Canada/Central: August 31 2007, 09:54:11 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 days
[04:54] <Kousotu> yea, that's the one
[04:54] <jeffferrari> anyone here tried running wine under gutsy 64?
[04:54] <Kousotu> CST is what we all say
[04:54] <Kousotu> lo
[04:54] <Kousotu> lol*
[04:56] <jeffferrari> yeah we say AEST, but everyone knows it as sydney time
[04:57] <Kousotu> aest?
[04:57] <Kousotu> lol
[04:57] <Arwen> AEST? Automated Emergency Synchronized Telephone?
[04:57] <Kousotu> lol
[04:58] <Kousotu> what AE stand for jeffferrari?
[04:59] <jeffferrari> australian eastern standard time
[04:59] <Kousotu> ah...
[04:59] <jeffferrari> man, I wouldn't laugh too much about emergency telephones at the moment......
[04:59] <slytherin> Anybody having video playing problems with totem on ATI card (Free drivers)?
[04:59] <Kousotu> and the otherside is AW I take it?
[04:59] <Kousotu> lol
[05:00] <jeffferrari> I work in the hilton buliding in the city and I got an psycho email from the facilities manager warning about special APEC summit preparations
[05:00] <Kousotu> slytherin: I'm having issues with todemon INTEL drivers
[05:00] <Kousotu> lol
[05:00] <slytherin> Kousotu: What issue? in my case it doesn't display video. Only audio
[05:00] <Hobbsee> jeffferrari: you poor soul.
[05:00] <FunnyLookinHat> If you guys are running compiz-fusion (desktop effects stuff) you can install mplayer and use the compiz-fusion video plugin to fix it.
[05:00] <Kousotu> mine is it completely crashes
[05:00] <Kousotu> lol
[05:01] <FunnyLookinHat> oh I can't help that.
[05:01] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[05:01] <Kousotu> hence why I use vlc
[05:01] <Kousotu> lol
[05:01] <slytherin> FunnyLookinHat: Not talking about compiz. Just plain video playing
[05:01] <slytherin> FunnyLookinHat: 'xv' plugin in mplayer is also not working
[05:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh...  no clue.
[05:01] <jeffferrari> Hobbsee: the police xray scanner is downstairs as of monday I think
[05:01] <Hobbsee> jeffferrari: urgh
[05:02] <jeffferrari> Hobbsee: and I have had ASIO/CIA hanging around my building for the last 2 weeks
[05:02] <Hobbsee> double urgh.
[05:02] <Kousotu> lol
[05:03] <Kousotu> ya, that has tosuck
[05:22] <AnRkey> who does the daily builds for powerpc?
[05:22] <AnRkey> the image is 704mb
[05:22] <AnRkey> just just just does not fit on a cd
[05:25] <DanaG> Hmm, what happened to the nice "symlink" arrow on my icons?
[05:25] <DanaG> Now it's this huge ugly grey thing.
[05:26] <AnRkey> DanaG, artwork is not finished yet so don't worry to much
[05:27] <AnRkey> we can hunt them down if it stays like that. Freaken psycho artits
[05:27] <AnRkey> :D
[05:27] <Hobbsee> artwork.  bah humbug.
[05:29] <DanaG> Everything else is pretty good to me.
[05:29] <DanaG> s/good to me/good, to me/
[05:39] <AnRkey> I am in love with gutsy (There, I said it!)
[05:39] <Pici> Hehe
[05:39] <AnRkey> I love seeing how it's getting better and better each day
[05:39] <AnRkey> we just need to get it to make coffee now (would fit the theme too)
[05:42] <leperkhanz> Anybody wanna help me get midi going?
[05:43] <AnRkey> and the silence was deafening... :D
[05:43] <AnRkey> ok going home, later all
[05:44] <leperkhanz> I like the new log off icon.  little green running dude. lol
[05:57] <roe> anyone know when cron.daily runs?
[05:59] <leperkhanz> How can I get Gutsy to have a driver for my viewsonic vx924?
[05:59] <leperkhanz> vx900 is listed, but that's it.
[05:59] <leperkhanz> I want to up my hz.
[06:15] <leperkhanz> the terminal says no AWE device found, how do I solve this?  I'm trying to get midi working
[06:21] <ooo>  /server -m irc.master-online.org:12000
[06:26] <Kousotu> I've one that on acident before
[06:26] <Kousotu> lol
[06:26] <Kousotu> done*
[06:32] <Pici> Kousotu: in every channel?
[06:32] <Kousotu> pici: ok, that I haven't
[06:32] <Kousotu> lol
[07:29] <MenZa> Hey---I'm having some probs with my sound card. It was installed and worked with both Feisty and Gutsy, but now I only have a USB unit (my webcam with built-in mic) in my gnome applet alsamixer. What gives?
[07:29] <MenZa> I'm also getting an error message when attempting to run alsamixer in the terminal: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:35] <djdarkman_> hy, why is it that the gutsy dev version is more unstable then the feisty dev version back then?
[07:35] <jsomers> I don't have any problems with gutsy being unstable :x
[07:35] <Arwen> don't know? luck?
[07:35] <Arwen> it works fine here actually
[07:35] <TheInfinity> Arwen: your so lucky ... ;)
[07:35] <djdarkman_> I can`t even install my nvidia driver
[07:36] <djdarkman_> it gives me a lot of debconf errors
[07:36] <Arwen> ATI, I have my own problems to worry about :-\
[07:36] <djdarkman_> I have ATI on this machine
[07:36] <djdarkman_> works relatively fine with envy installed drivers
[07:36] <TheInfinity> can someone test something for me? printing www.spiegel.de in firefox via PostScript/default printer?
[07:37] <tiziano> Good evening, may I burn a dvd-rw with the cd iso image?
[07:37] <djdarkman_> I mean that Nvidia drivers are relatively easy to install in ubuntu, even in a dev version but in gutsy, I don`t even know whats the problem
[07:37] <TheInfinity> and - dont have something important open - firefox loops most times
[07:38] <tiziano> i have a rewritable dvd but no cd, may I burn it with the cd iso image of the gutsy installer?
[07:38] <djdarkman_> tiziano: you can use that instead of a CD
[07:38] <Arwen> yes
[07:39] <tiziano> thank you, take care
[07:39] <djdarkman_> tiziano: I did it when I didn`t have a CD too
[07:39] <Arwen> assuming your BIOS can boot DVDs
[07:39] <tiziano> i have a nice little 1.6 gb dvd
[07:39] <tiziano> minidvd
[07:39] <djdarkman_> btw when is the release date of gutsy?
[07:40] <Arwen> !schedule
[07:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:41] <Pici> djdarkman_: 10/07  since its version 7.10
[07:42] <jsomers> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[07:42] <djdarkman_> hmmm I gues than that I`m better off with feisty
[07:42] <djdarkman_> forgot the version numbering in ubuntu
[07:42] <TheInfinity> gutsy is alpha. that should give you the information you want? ;)
[07:43] <djdarkman_> yeah I`ve seen that it`s realy alpha
[07:43] <TheInfinity> *g*
[07:43] <TheInfinity> writing bug reports is a nice thing you can do if you have time :)
[07:44] <djdarkman_> yeah but writing bugs would be much easier if the 60Hz wouldn`t kill my eyes
[07:45] <TheInfinity> vesa? ;)
[07:46] <djdarkman_> naaa, I would like to test compiz fusion on a real video card too(nvidia) :)
[07:46] <djdarkman_> I have a laptop with feisty isntalled(wich I`m using now) and another PC
[07:47] <TheInfinity> feisty does not run here, so i test gutsy ;)
[07:47] <djdarkman_> does feisty contain the newest alsa stuff?
[07:48] <djdarkman_> I think I submitted a bug report about that
[08:10] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:11] <TheInfinity> does anybody know why this error: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=563910 occures?
[08:39] <yml> Hello, I have a simple question does the follwing 2 scenario are equivalent:
[08:39] <yml>   * install ubuntu gutsy tribe 4 + apt-get upgrade
[08:39] <yml>   * install ubuntu gutsy tribe 5
[08:41] <Arwen> yes
[08:41] <Arwen> every gutsy is the same gutsy, so you can upgrade between them
[08:42] <yml> Arwen  ; that is cool, thank you for your answer
[08:42] <TheInfinity> Arwen: ... if theres no error because of alpha software ;)
[08:42] <Arwen> :-P
[08:42] <TheInfinity> i had in tribe2 + lots of updates no dvd, in fresh install of alpha5 i had :D
[08:43] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:43] <TheInfinity> does flash player installation work in gutsy?
[08:44] <TheInfinity> because i dont have flash in ff and in konqueror ;)
[08:44] <Arwen> I do, some others were complaining
[08:44] <yml> I am facing a strange situation where with the live cd my wifi is working fine but when ubuntu is installed it does not.
[08:45] <jussi01> TheInfinity: yes, flash works
[08:45] <yml> in fact my main pb is that when I right click on knetworkmanager I do not have the list of wifi networks available
[08:45] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:45] <TheInfinity> and why does flash not work here? ;)
[08:45] <yml> is this a configuration?
[08:46] <yml> iwlist eth1 scanning seems to work fine.
[08:47] <TheInfinity> yml: then its one of the knetwork manager bugs
[08:47] <TheInfinity> has sometime probs
[08:47] <TheInfinity> just report it ;)
[08:48] <Arwen> GAH, my logout icon changed into... A GREEN MAN
[08:48] <Arwen> wtf
[08:48] <Great_Briton> a little green man?
[08:48] <Arwen> yeah
[08:48] <Great_Briton> then they must be invading.
[08:48] <Arwen> it just looks weird, Martian GNOME theme >_>
[08:48] <Great_Briton> heh, martian gnomes.
[08:49] <Arwen> :-P
 /dev/sda5             62579672  61979816    599856 100% /home <-- I'm a noob, but that's not good, right?
[08:52] <hylje> not at all
[09:14] <sayanriju> hello
[09:14] <sayanriju> does kubuntu gutsy also include compiz-fusion by default as in ubuntu gutsy?
[09:14] <sayanriju> hello
[09:17] <Lin> hi shirish!
[09:17] <shirish> Lin: hi, do we know each other?
[09:18] <Lin> shirish: sure we know.
[09:18] <shirish> Lin: now I know ;)
[09:18] <Lin> ok
[09:19] <shirish> ok, anyway there is a rumor doing the rounds that the next edition is gonna be hardy heron, is this true :P
[09:20] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:20] <gnomefreak> sayanriju: try in #ubuntu-effects
[09:24] <jussi01> shirish: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1017
[09:24] <shirish> jussi01: I saw the same thing on /. ;)
[09:24] <jussi01> :)
[10:41] <cavediver> Hi.
[10:41] <cavediver> Anyone knows if nfs is broken currently in Gutsy ?
[10:52] <ftoo_on_gutsy> cavediver seems to be working here
[10:52] <cavediver> Hm ok.
[10:52] <cavediver> Strange
[10:53] <cavediver> Do i need both nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server ?
[10:53] <cavediver> I have portmap up and running I beleive.
[10:54] <ftoo_on_gutsy> to be honest i'm not sure.. i
[10:55] <wardancr> Hello, I tried booting with the Kubuntu Tribe 5 CD and I get the following error: [0.61600]  PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0
[10:55] <wardancr> any idea how to determine what is failing?
[10:59] <TheInfinity> wardancr: i get almost the same message, but ubuntu boots
[10:59] <wardancr> No for me it stops afterwards
[11:00] <TheInfinity> its direct after the boot menue, hmm?
[11:00] <wardancr> yes
[11:01] <wardancr> I had to replace my motherboard (same thing as before, asus m2a-vm hdmi), since then I can't boot in my kubuntu 7.04 install, or the kubuntu 7.04 CD or the Tribe 5 CD
[11:01] <wardancr> but windows is booting fine
[11:01] <wardancr> I'm guessing they messed up something while replacing the motherboard, but it's hard to find what
[11:04] <TheInfinity> wardancr: tried alternate cd?
[11:05] <wardancr> not yet
[11:05] <wardancr> I also have a gentoo CD and Knoppix CD around here, I'll try those first
[11:05] <wardancr> be right back
[11:05] <TheInfinity> okay
[11:05] <SpudDogg> hey fellas, is gutsy fully usable yet?
[11:06] <TheInfinity> it is alpha software.
[11:06] <SpudDogg> i mean are there alot of bugs still?
[11:07] <TheInfinity> depends on what you want. like the topic says - dont run gutsy unless your are familiar with dpkg ... etc.
[11:08] <SpudDogg> im not all that familiar with dpkg, but im not afraid to play with it and learn either.
[11:09] <SpudDogg> are there any major differences in the new gnome that comes in gutsy?
[11:10] <ftoo_on_gutsy> i've not noticed any but then i dont look vary hard :P
[11:11] <SpudDogg> what happened to the "control panel" layout that i saw in the version of edgy before it was released?  does anyone remember that?
[11:13] <ftoo_on_gutsy> Prefs / control panel ? maybe ?
[11:15] <SpudDogg> nah, i just remember having all the prefs and admin stuff listed like it is now, there was a window that popped up with all the normal stuff there categorized.  it was nice, but actually a little too windows-ish for me.
[11:15] <SpudDogg> i meant instead of it being listed now, it was in a window categorized
[11:16] <ftoo_on_gutsy> tbh: i never really played with the desktop till gutsy just played with the server version.. but decided to try gutsy rather then VISTA..
[11:17] <SpudDogg> good choice ;)
[11:18] <ftoo_on_gutsy> ubuntu only now... xp if i need it is in a vm machine
[11:19] <Trewas> SpudDogg: gnome-control-center (run from a terminal) gives a very windowish control panel, maybe you mean that... I didn't notice if it can be started from the standard menus
[11:20] <SpudDogg> Trewas: that could be it.  Do you know if that's going to be the standard in gutsy?
[11:22] <Trewas> SpudDogg: I have no idea, but probably not or it would be used instead of the normal System / Preferences menu structure already
[11:31] <ftoo_on_gutsy> gnome-control-center shows me same as system/prefs/control center in gutsy
[11:31] <wardancr> well I was able to boot with the gentoo CD, but I still can't figure out why Feisty or Gutsy won't boot
[11:50] <SpudDogg> ftoo_on_gutsy: i have to admit i use windows too, but only for converting my movies to avi.  all the programs i found for linux are extremely sub-par
[11:54] <Arwen> heh, no AVI Synth for Lunix? :-P
[12:15] <titeuf_87> is it possible to install Gutsy's kernel on Edgy without installing the rest of Gutsy? I need this kernel version as this one works with my audio card and the one from Edgy doesn't
[12:19] <Arwen> yes. kind of.
[12:19] <Arwen> if you need a newer kernel, it would probably be better to compile a stock one though
[12:20] <terlmann> ok , can anyone help me reroute packets on a local ethernet ipv4 subnet (192.*.*.*) to go to from another machine on my subnet to me and then though me on out ?
[12:20] <terlmann> I want to examine some packets
[12:20] <terlmann> using gutsy latest
[12:20] <titeuf_87> one from kernel.org? And if so, is it possible to use ubuntu's config for it so I don't have to go through all make menuconfig and such?
[12:21] <unique> im downloading Gutsy Gibbon now....
[12:22] <unique> what is the prefer gui gnome or kde?
[12:22] <titeuf_87> unique, ubuntu uses gnome by default
[12:23] <unique> is there anyway i can upgrade to Gutsy Gibbon through the console?
[12:24] <terlmann> yea
[12:24] <terlmann> use /apt/sources.list
[12:24] <terlmann> or .lst
[12:25] <terlmann> not certain
[12:25] <terlmann> I edited it only 2 days ago ;-D
[12:26] <unique> ?
[12:31] <Dannilion> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:32] <terlmann> Dannilion : wanna see my list ?
[12:32] <terlmann> let me show you it. let me show you.
[12:33] <Dannilion> erm, you just have to change all the feisty bits to gutsy, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:36] <chrisjs169> I had accidentally installed hl1440lpr (package from Brothers site for printer) and it didn't fully install, requiring that lpd be installed, except that lpd requires ubuntu-desktop to be removed.  since I don't need hl1440lpr or lpd, is it possible to force remove hl1440lpr?
[12:41] <unique> what is preferred 64bit os or 32
[12:42] <terlmann> 32 for me
[12:42] <terlmann> depends on the hardware and whether you want flash
[12:43] <terlmann> macromedia flash
[12:43] <terlmann> in firefox
[12:43] <terlmann> on 64bit it doesnt work quite right
[12:43] <unique> ok so if you have a 64 bit processor u would want 32 os version for better stability
[12:43] <terlmann> perhaps
[12:43] <terlmann> yes for now
[12:44] <unique> ok
[12:44] <terlmann> 64bit can wait a few years :-)
[12:45] <unique> what do i have to do to get wireless support in gutsy?
[12:46] <Dannilion> nothing if it's an intel card
[12:46] <Dannilion> it just works then :p
[12:47] <terlmann> other wise you can google broadcom howto ubuntu or atheros ubuntu howto
[12:47] <terlmann> atheros and broadcom
[12:47] <terlmann> those are the major chipsets
[12:47] <unique> its a wireless router
[12:47] <terlmann> in your pc ?
[12:47] <unique> yhea
[12:47] <Dannilion> that is odd
[12:47] <terlmann> like a router pci card ?
[12:47] <unique> no
[12:47] <terlmann> whats the name ?
[12:47] <unique> stand alone
[12:48] <terlmann> if its stand alone, how does it connect to your pc ?
[12:48] <unique> its a belkin
[12:48] <unique> almost like a linksys
[12:48] <terlmann> if its seperate no drivers because it's not part of your pc
[12:48] <terlmann> how do you connect to the internet then ?
[12:48] <unique> cable
[12:48] <terlmann> ethernet you mean ?
[12:49] <unique> in windows i was required to get drivers
[12:49] <unique> yhea
[12:49] <terlmann> ethernet works fine in ubutnu
[12:49] <terlmann> I use it
[12:49] <terlmann> let me guess... Via Rhine ?
[12:50] <unique> +65t
[12:53] <unique> so what are some of the changes in gutsy?
[12:53] <jussi01> !wireless
[12:53] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:54] <unique> oh can i load a iso to a usb thumb drive and install gutsy that way?
[01:03] <DanaG> Argh, when I'm dragging things, my mouse will sometimes drift even when I hold my finger still.