=== bdgraue [n=bdgraue@host-091-097-093-064.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === noflex [n=noflex@5634b408.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@host16-126-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === duud [n=dima@p5088925F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:32] are there known problems with compiz-fusion in gutsy? i have no windowdecorations, worked in feisty, what informations can i give to solve the problem? [01:37] same problem here. had to disable desktop effects. [01:39] bdgraue, FrankH I have no window borders here... [01:39] same here [01:40] are you all on NVIDIA by any chance? [01:40] nvidia [01:40] you have ADDARBGLXVisuals 24 or whatever, right? [01:40] nvidia here [01:40] think so, yes [01:41] Arwen: what is that? [01:41] Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" [01:42] in Section "Device" [01:42] FrankH, sets 24-bit glx visuals [01:42] have to check [01:42] helps if the window decorator errors out with "32-bit mode, no such thing, blah blah blah" === Arwen hasn't used compiz in a while [01:43] Arwen: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14343/ this is my xorg.conf [01:47] something wrong in there? [01:47] nope, not that I can see. [01:47] That's a really nice pastebin by the way, really easy to read :-) [01:47] yes it is :) [01:49] bdgraue, what happens when you run "gtk-window-decorator" or "emerald" from a terminal? === rikai_ is now known as rikai [01:51] dumb question...where did the the device manage go under admin? [01:51] gtk-window-decorator does not work, cause i have kde, if i type emerald or emerald --replace i get nothing [01:52] absolutely nothing? because almost NOTHING every "doesn't do anything". [01:52] s/every/ever [01:52] i can give you that pastebin of nothing if you wsh ;) [01:53] wish [01:53] hmm === Arwen shrugs [01:53] I could help you more if I actually still used compiz :-P [01:53] it seems so [01:54] i have the fusion-icon installed [01:54] Arwen: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14260/ [01:54] funny thing about the windowsdecorations is that it goes away at lower resolutions [01:55] bdgraue, hmm, no idea [01:55] there is an error, but i have no idea how to solve this === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-219-32-187.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:57] Gstreamer is super bust on this end [01:57] oh? [01:58] Yeah [01:58] no sound here either [01:58] getting Internal Data Stream errors using any Gstreamer-using app [01:58] works fine in non-Gstreamer players [01:58] dunno, I don't use GStreamer either [01:59] wfarr: Works for me [01:59] RAOF, check updates - Gstreamer updates came down the pipe like 20 minutes ago here [01:59] after updating those, Gstreamer has ceased to work for me [01:59] Hm, maybe I've missed them then. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:04] bye === iblicf_ [n=iblicf@123.114.115.234] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 === assa [n=assasuka@n219079164170.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lufis [n=lufis@unaffiliated/lufis] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:12] Is kde 4 going to be in gutsy? [02:13] no [02:13] Yes, kinda. [02:13] It's not going to be default, of course. [02:13] kind of? [02:13] oh [02:14] Bummer :( [02:14] wfarr, gstreamer0.10 still works here [02:14] also still has that stupid H.264 corruption bug, but oh well [02:14] looks like the fluendo mp3 codecs for gstreamer are killing my sound in ubuntu gutsy [02:16] Arwen, version 0.10.5.debian-1? [02:16] er hm [02:16] some odd packaging variations [02:17] in either case, any MP3's I tested with latest GST flopped [02:17] but they play fine in XINE [02:17] i wish kde would just die already.. im so glad gnome is the default ;) [02:18] 0.10.14-1ubuntu1 [02:18] I think you have problems [02:18] Arwen, my plugins-base is the same [02:19] the 0.10.5 = -fluendo-mp3 [02:19] but that's current [02:19] snadge, I don't even like Amarok, but some music is better than none === stefano [n=stefano@190.80.221.194] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:20] snadge: why do you not like kde? [02:21] linus does :) [02:21] Hello, Is the nvidia module compiled directly into the kernel in gutsy? [02:21] i wonder if hes ever actually looked at the source code, or tried to write a KDE application though [02:21] i doubt it [02:21] theres no doubt that KDE has a more attractive interface === RAOF doubts that, frankly. [02:21] Not really, gnome looks good too. [02:22] Just depends if you mod it or not. [02:22] snadge: r u a gtk+ developer? [02:22] yes.. i think the gnome philosophy is more inline with what ubuntu is trying to achieve [02:22] i find Qt "easy" to develop in [02:22] Could anyone tell me if there is a way to specify which location to init gdm? [02:22] simple, with sane defaults [02:23] but admittedly i find some gnome applications a little TOO simple [02:23] I would like it to have it start always on F7 or display :0.0 [02:23] snadge, simplicity is a beauty :D [02:23] eg.. as far as im concerned theres no better burning utility than k3b [02:23] i'd like to see the same integration in gnome as in kde [02:24] gnomebaker, and all those other gtk burning programs.. are rather crappy [02:24] <-- admittedly a former OSX user [02:25] FrankH: are you also a windows developer? [02:25] :P === frying_fish [n=frying_f@AC8EAFEB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:33] cross-platform. yes [02:33] switched form gnome to kde about a year ago [02:33] but use both [02:33] there are a lot of things about gnome, too === praecox_ [i=mati73@borowiak.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryancr [n=ryan@h70-66-192-167.sbm.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryancr [n=ryan@h70-66-192-167.sbm.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:33] so why doesnt gnome have a menu editor still [02:33] Which menu do you mean? [02:33] the applications menu [02:33] Right click->Edit menu [02:33] for example.. under windows you can just delete icons, create a new one etc.. the equivalent of "start" menu [02:33] LOL [02:33] since when has that been there? [02:33] Edgy? [02:33] Maybe Dapper? === stefano [n=stefano@190.80.221.194] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:37] Is it possible to install the nvidia website drivers on gutsy? [02:38] stefano, can I ask why you want to? === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:45] crdlb, newer drivers? [02:46] stefano: No, the same drivers. [02:46] Also, the same *crap* drivers. [02:46] crdlb, I kind of screwed up, does the nvidia driver have an uninstall function? [02:46] yes, but it doesn't work [02:47] How do i install the restricted drivers from console? I sudo apt-get install linux-rest.. blabla, great! Then how do you get the glx, GLcore? [02:47] and the nvidia module? [02:48] Install the linux-generic & nvidia-glx packages. [02:49] linux-386 and nvidia-glx... ok. I will try that. [02:50] Any particular reason you're using linux-386? [02:50] not really... [02:51] You should probably be using linux-generic, then :) [02:51] I though that if i had it to my architecture it would run better? [02:51] It was all working before. [02:51] No. [02:51] -386 is the slow, compatible version. [02:51] lol! [02:51] -generic is the faster one. [02:51] Damn... [02:51] Dummy me. :( [02:52] Wow, that seriously bums me out. I had so much fun thinking my pc was faster. [02:52] Nope. Slower, and only using 1 cpu :) [02:53] Even HT? [02:53] Even HT. === Iradigalesc [n=Iradigal@wikipedia/Iradigalesc] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:54] Hello! I upgrade to gusty and now I can't use phpmyadmin :( The configuration file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret). It works well with feisty === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === winston [n=bryce@208-117-69-72.block5.gvtc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cowbud [n=fuas@or-76-2-9-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:56] RAOF, hmm you sure saved a life ^^. That's why i always wanted to compile my kernel to a 686, now i don === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] Is the apt-get cache always the same? [02:59] I mean, if i want to reinstall gutsy again from scratch, is it possible to copy the apt cache somewhere else and later copy it back so i don't have to redownload all the updates? === defendguin [n=justin@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:59] i updated today some gstreamer packages were included in the updates and now i can't play mp3 with rhythmbox :-(( === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] hi [03:01] stefano: Oh, yes you can. === epimeteo [n=aka@unaffiliated/epimeteo] has joined #ubuntu+1 === macaco [n=macaco@201.249.119.196] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:03] hello [03:03] anyone else have this happen to them? [03:03] Just making sure, /var/cache/apt, right? [03:04] lol, damn i still sound like a noob, even after being on linux for a few months. [03:04] It's like you never stop learning. [03:05] guys can please help me how i can change in session /usr/bin/compiz.real --ignore bla bla [03:05] ? [03:09] Does anyone know why is it that when install the restricted drivers, the console keyboard layout changes to a default one? Not the modified one i had before, and even uninstalling the restricted doesn't bring it back to working state. [03:10] Or even a better way to tackle the problem. How do i set the console (tty1) to have the same configuration as xkb? === mrigns__ [n=mrigns@ACB7FB80.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kary [n=corey@CPE001217e1b8eb-CM0014f85e4ca0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === epimeteo [n=aka@unaffiliated/epimeteo] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fsckr [n=rich@pool-71-100-42-63.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:34] when is gutsy being released again? === winston [n=bryce@208-117-69-72.block5.gvtc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:37] Oct something [03:38] between the 1 and the 30th ^^ [03:38] not on the 31st? [03:38] could throw together a haloween theme [03:39] One that works throughout the year :D === Dougie [n=dougie@pool-71-240-28-61.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF2F51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === emet [n=emet@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nickrud [n=nickrud_@adsl-69-230-163-196.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@h156.112.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Administrator [n=chatzill@user-12ldksg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:03] Hu [04:03] Hi [04:03] i dont have 4 workspaces for some reason [04:03] any idea what happened? === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-35-247.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jimmacdonald [n=jim@rdbck-2875.wasilla.mtaonline.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Administrator [n=chatzill@user-12ldksg.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Alpha_Cluster [n=nick@bsu195107.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:07] did the gstreamer update break gstreamer for anyone else? === os2mac [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kou [n=kousotu@adsl-76-197-157-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:17] can someone help me with lm-sensors? [04:18] sure [04:19] ok, well I ran it and the did detecting [04:19] it detects nothing [04:19] how can I force a read on the CPU? === SeveredCross [n=bojan@dyn-129-64-227-31.wireless-a.brandeis.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:21] I think Gstreamer just broke... [04:22] ok so im not the only one [04:24] What does Synaptic mean in its sentence: "For 2.4 kernels, this requires either installing prebuild modules or [04:25] building them using the lm-sensors-source package. For 2.6 kernels, use the modules that are already in the kernel tree." [04:25] with 'kernel tree'? === khermans_ [n=khermans@c-75-67-197-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:28] where did /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist go in gutsy? [04:28] it is broken up now? and how does this work? [04:28] kou: the temperature? [04:30] yes [04:30] try running acpi -t [04:30] that gives me the CPU temperature on my desktop & laptop without lmsensors [04:30] cool [04:30] thanks [04:31] that said [04:31] lmsensors does give more info [04:31] depending on the mobo (like fanspeed, voltages) [04:31] though I have seen a few cases where it makes the box unstable :P [04:31] fignew, it's OLD [04:31] really old [04:31] lol [04:32] like a 500mhz processor [04:32] lol [04:32] it can't be that old if it supports acpi ;) [04:32] bah, tell that to my 40mhz IRC proxy ;) [04:32] we're about to fid out [04:32] lol [04:32] find* [04:32] and my old 66mhz email server (RIP) === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:33] lol [04:33] my first was 64mhz [04:33] lol [04:33] bullgard4: you need help? [04:34] oh, btw: no ACPsuport in kernal, or incorrect acpi_path [04:34] figures since it's such an old box === SeveredCross wonders wtf is up with gstreamer [04:34] fignew: What does Synaptic mean by 'kernel tree' in its sentence: "For 2.4 kernels, this requires either installing prebuild modules or building them using the lm-sensors-source package. For 2.6 kernels, use the modules that are already in the kernel tree." [04:34] SeveredCross, i dont know for sure but i cannot get a audio player to use it [04:35] kou: you can try setting up lm-sensors using "sudo sensors-detect" [04:35] Both Banshee and Rhythmbox are busted. [04:35] already did [04:35] that's why I'm here [04:35] lol [04:35] and it didn't work? [04:35] nope [04:35] not at all [04:35] then your PC is too old :P [04:35] it's not MY PC that's old [04:35] lol [04:35] I'm on my PC now [04:35] lol [04:36] it's my grandmother's pc [04:36] hehe [04:36] I can't make the darn thing work... [04:36] grandmas don't care about CPU temperature ;) [04:37] bullgard4: I believe by kernel tree it's just talking about the kernel modules [04:37] fignew, thermal failures are very bad [04:37] lol [04:37] is it an intel chip? [04:37] I got in a row in um.. 30 secs [04:37] lol [04:37] yea [04:37] P3 [04:37] I'm pretty sure you're fine then [04:38] 90% sure that P3s will shut themselves down [04:38] when the overheat [04:38] lol [04:38] and not fry themselves [04:38] yea, but why does it overheat? === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:38] bad thermal paste [04:38] bad fan [04:38] too small of a heatsink :P [04:38] yea, sounds about right [04:38] lol [04:39] also, depending on the BIOS, you can set the computer to beep when it starts overheating [04:39] can you walk me through that? [04:39] I know, cause I had a computer at work beeping at me like crazy today :P [04:39] sure, but your computer might not support it [04:39] still worth a shot though [04:40] reboot, when the 1st screen pops up, see what key it says you need to press inorder to enter setup [04:40] and press it [04:40] bios: OptiPlez GX1 450MTbr+ [04:40] version A02 [04:40] F12? [04:40] Delete? === epimeteo [n=aka@unaffiliated/epimeteo] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:41] I'm on the bios [04:41] that's how I got the data [04:41] lol [04:41] ohh :p [04:41] well, its sorta funny, at home I have a Dell Optiplex [04:41] 500mhz [04:42] 450 [04:42] lol [04:42] 450mhz/320mb ram [04:42] that computer is so solid [04:42] lol [04:42] I wouldn't worry about it overheating [04:42] just make sure it isn't too dusty ;) [04:43] hm... [04:43] well it overheared twice in less than 2 hrs [04:43] how do you know it overheated? [04:43] did it freeze? [04:44] "Alert! Previous Thermal Failure" [04:44] showed up at boot [04:45] what is "Power management"? === sayers [n=steven@c-76-20-182-119.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:45] that computer is funny, it also warns you when the case has been opened [04:45] lol [04:45] powermanagement = how long it takes to turn off the Harddrive [04:45] when idle [04:46] or how long it takes to fall asleep / turn off the monitor [04:46] ah... windows does that already though [04:46] lol [04:46] Linux does that on its own too [04:46] what about the beeping thingy? [04:46] lmao [04:46] the bios just has it if you're in a DOS application or something [04:46] yea, well it has XP installed and it's not mine to toy with on OSes [04:47] is there a "system health" menu in the BIOS? [04:47] no === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088E215.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:47] Well just snoop around in it [04:47] chassis intrusion, DAC snoop, ACPI [04:47] and see if you can find anything that looks similar :P [04:48] is ACPI turned on? === jshaffer [n=jshaffer@129.110.192.124] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] yea [04:49] dunno then :( [04:50] wat is DAC Snoop, any idea? [04:51] no idea [04:51] but Dell sez: Video DAC Snoop lets you correct video problems that may occur when you use certain video expansion cards. The default is Off. If you are using a video expansion card and problems such as incorrect colors or blank windows occur, set Video DAC Snoop to On. === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:51] Don't ask me what that means :P [04:52] ok, well thanks [04:53] I can't figure this all out [04:55] fignew, how many numbers in a bios password? [04:55] 8 is the max normally [04:55] ty [04:56] finally... got it disabled [04:56] lol [04:57] I accidentially set a bios password [04:58] lol === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:05] whoa... [05:05] oops wrong channel === sayers [n=steven@c-76-20-182-119.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claria [n=aem@dslb-084-057-147-187.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === enduro [n=micsco@ip202-27-218-36.satlan.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@r45h90.res.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:25] does anyone have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? [05:25] it seems to have disappeared in gutsy [05:28] khermans_, i have it [05:28] (and i have gutsy too :) ) [05:28] xtknight, interesting [05:28] xtknight, you have that one file, or somehting like blacklist-* [05:28] you can just put it in any blacklist-* file === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.15.58] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:29] i have "blacklist" literally [05:29] !rsync [05:29] which i actually dont remember seeing on Feisty [05:29] Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [05:29] oh, i dont know where mine went [05:29] !info rsync [05:29] rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.9-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 256 kB, installed size 516 kB [05:30] xtknight, you know what sucks about the blacklist file? [05:30] why does it require you to type "blacklist" [05:30] are there any other possible options? [05:30] lol [05:30] i dont know.. [05:30] no one knows it seems.. [05:30] if you find out, let me know :-) [05:31] whatever, im filing a bug... [05:31] for that? [05:31] or a missing blacklist file? [05:31] xtknight, yeah, its useless [05:31] no, feature request to remove that [05:31] hm [05:31] there is no man page entry for it [05:32] ya its a debian thing i guess [05:32] wait.. [05:32] "man modprobe.conf" [05:32] xtknight, yes -- well we're all here ot make it better [05:32] include, ... [05:32] so actually the files dont have to be called "blacklist" at all [05:32] so there are other options [05:32] they just are, and they just happen to contain blacklist [05:33] anything in modprobe.d is fair game for blacklitsing modules [05:33] i guess so [05:33] now i know! [05:34] i still think the file disappeared [05:34] i had it in warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, edgy, and feisty [05:34] i didnt have it in feisty from what i remember :/ [05:34] i definitely had it [05:35] apt-file might tell me [05:35] dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist === ion [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:35] module-init-tools: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [05:36] yup [05:36] feisty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/module-init-tools [05:36] guys does anybody know ubuntulog works? [05:36] was in there too... [05:37] I know it keeps a log of a room/channel [05:37] !ubuntulog [05:37] ubuntulog is a logging bot run on various Ubuntu channels. You can read the logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [05:37] oh fabs :-) [05:38] You can find one of my old passwords in the logs for #ubuntu-devel if you try :( [05:38] lol === khermans_ google's RAOF+ passwords [05:39] RAOF: I was interested in finding something else ;) === NastyAccident is now known as Rawr === Rawr is now known as NastyAccident [05:40] ROAF: for instance do you know that ubuntu+1 logs for the last 10 days are not present :( [05:40] I was trying to find some info. which unfortunately is not in my pidgin log :( [05:42] shirish, just google some of the keywords you typed [05:43] khermans_: I could, but there was some conversation about some stuff which I don't think google will know. [05:43] google knows everything [05:44] speaking of people knowing everything, i just read about this hack that those 3-letter agencies can use to enable your cell phone remotely [05:45] so, unless you take out the battery, you have a mobile microphone in your pocket... [05:47] khermans_: you can pv me the link if you would like, I love reading govt. conspirancy stuff ;) [05:48] pv/pm [05:48] shirish, http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061203-8343.html [05:48] sorry [05:49] no issues, I just hope we didn't offend anybody with off-topic stuff. [05:49] the phone were running ubuntu i think... [05:50] :-P [05:50] how do I install eclipse visual editor? [05:51] voidmage, sudo aptitude install eclipse [05:53] khermans_: have you played/worked with rsync or Grsync? 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[06:04] I wouldn't with a dev release untill its further down the road. === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D0E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === graft [n=graft@c-65-96-163-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:10] yo - i upgraded xorg and now it's borked - i suspect some tweaks regarding my card (radeon xpress 200M) are to blame [06:10] anyone heard any such? === eobanb [n=eoban@149-159-108-118.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:22] hmm seems to be this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/133214 [06:22] Launchpad bug 133214 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[xpress 200m] doesn't load the gnome desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.15.58] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:24] guys is this true that we have moved from bash shell to dash, if so anyway to find out which shell somebody is running? [06:25] shirish, yes [06:26] since edgy [06:26] ls -ld /bin/sh [06:26] would tell you [06:26] crdlb: oh, didn't know, I was always under the impression that we used GNU bash === NastyAccident is now known as NastyAccident1 [06:26] crdlb: thank you === NastyAccident1 is now known as NastyAccident === h1st0_ [n=histo@h156.112.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === michael_ [n=michael@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.15.58] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS is now known as derekS [06:46] err, moved away from dash meaning that dash is now linked from /bin/sh, NOT that dash is the default login shell [06:47] since dash has, like, zero functionality === joerlend [n=joerlend@249-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === instabin|work 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It's got less features than bash, and is faster. [06:57] So we use it for running shell scripts. === mattyv [n=matt@220-253-46-108.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.34.255] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bikeboy [n=bikeboy@220-253-46-108.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === firephoto_ [n=tom@71.115.232.168] has joined #ubuntu+1 === NastyAccident [n=NastyAcc@unaffiliated/nastyaccident] has joined #ubuntu+1 === spikeb [n=spikeb@71-10-73-7.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === duud [n=dima@p5088925F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jshaffer [n=jshaffer@129.110.192.124] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@h156.112.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF08B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:07] hey folks [08:07]