[12:32] seb128, well, and do some changes to packaging ofcourse so it would play nice with FF and other browsers [12:33] pygi: I think you will get an uvf easily for 0.5.2 [12:33] seb128, indeed =) [12:33] but it has to be done today :P [12:34] (if I'm not wrong today is the last day for NEW packages) [12:36] asac, you still alive? :) === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] seb128, asac : ok, good night now :) Asac, I'll poke during the day, hopefully we can get something done :) === s4kito [n=s4kito@200.92.206.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lllllllllll [n=lucas@189.109.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] gn8 === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@91.177.24.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-9bf19f0404d3a186] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@host16-126-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-112-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neh [n=neh@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === s4kito [n=s4kito@200.92.206.74] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Saliendo"] === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo018147.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goedson [n=goedson@BHE200150050180.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedahzur [n=jkugler@router.eeinternet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedahzur [n=jkugler@router.eeinternet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] mathiaz: Hi, are you going to merge fetchmail? the last Debian upload fixes CVE-2007-4565. I guess keescook would be happy. === keescook likes fixed CVEs. :) [02:17] geser: not in the immediate time. You wanna do it ? [02:18] I will do it then. [02:18] Avahi 0.6.21: This is an important bugfix release. 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[03:10] bathym: I think I want to say "yes". [03:11] heh [03:12] ^^ [03:12] i search him :P [03:13] bathym: what's up? [03:14] keescook: are you sure you want to admit to that? [03:14] query, if it`s possible [03:14] bathym: go ahead and ask. :) === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod8n [n=lorenzod@196.44.102.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] Nafallo: ping === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bathym [n=bathym@gentoo/user/bathym] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044180.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedahzur [n=jkugler@router.eeinternet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [04:34] bryce: if you are around, I have a question about CRT displays and laptops [04:35] lifeless, about to head to dinner actually, but can try to answer if it's a quickie [04:35] ok. [04:35] basically, fn-F8 doesn't seem to work in X on my dell d430 [04:36] yup [04:36] which has a 945 [04:36] is this likely to be fixed before release, or is there a test driver I can grab? [04:36] I have a presentation to give tonight ;) [04:37] upstream marked it "won't fix" actually, so there's no fix available [04:38] mjg59 might be able to explain it better, but as I understand it the issue is that acpi is not passing along the key combo correctly === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] Dells don't send acpi events for that [04:43] There needs to be something in userspace listening for the correct key [04:43] sadness [04:44] is someone working on this? Is there anything trivial I can do other than subscribing to the bug (which # is it ?) [04:44] lifeless: 'rez' in launchpad is the tester at dell who has reported many of these previously [04:45] same issue happens with dell + nvidia [04:45] what would be lovely is if plugin the monitor, then it just works as xinerama or something [04:45] lifeless, just mash it manually with xrandr. [04:45] but thats a different discussion [04:46] kylem: oh lovely, 1.2 is here isn't it [04:46] if you're on 945. [04:46] lifeless: yeah I'm hoping for hungry hippo we can put some work into that [04:47] kylem: is there hope for us on older intel chips (i915)? [04:47] yes, just use -intel... [04:48] kylem: btw, did you get a chance to put the discover-data upload in? I noticed I'd listed 'feisty' in the changelog and uploaded a fixed version [04:48] useful, no doubt it's better than last time I used it, when it broke compiz :) [04:48] not yet. was going to leave it until tomorrow. guess i can do it now. [04:48] no hurry [04:48] ok, getting called to dinner. bbl === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] bryce: We discussed this in London [04:55] bryce: The solution is pretty straightforward, but it needs some code adding to gnome-settings-daemon [04:58] kylem: thanks [04:58] no problemo. [04:59] kylem: xrandr --auto is love [04:59] lifeless, lol. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DBB91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] I like things that just work. [05:00] :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] pkern_: it means you need to see !uvf, and file an exception for anything you want synced. [05:24] i *wish* kmos would stop giving out wrong information. 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[07:05] nope [07:06] this is a development channel, griping won't get you far around here [07:07] sponix: maybe a bug report might work? [07:07] apt-get install vsftpd "The following packages will be REMOVED: gadmintools gproftpd proftpd proftpd-mysql proftpd-pgsql" [07:07] why can you have 5 flavors of web server installed, but only one ftp daemon flavor ? [07:07] is it against the law to run proftpd on 65534 and vsftpd on inet port 21 ? [07:08] sponix: must be the dependencies [07:08] vsftpd has _no_ deps [07:09] No, all ftp daemons conflict. [07:09] minus glibc [07:09] As do all MTAs. [07:09] Etc. [07:09] yup [07:09] but now webservers ? [07:09] No, for some reason. [07:09] s/now/not/ [07:09] http daemons are the odd one out here, due to many requests to allow multiples (for things like using lighttpd to server static content and apache to serve dynamic) [07:10] s/server/serve/ [07:10] how do I give it the "force-it-you-biatch" flag, to keep it from nuking my other pkg while installing ? [07:10] well, vsftpd for anon && proftpd for pr0n ! [07:10] proftpd does anon quite well too... [07:10] And does vhosting... [07:10] You'd pull the source package, remove the conflicts:, and rebuild. [07:10] Not sure why anyone would really want more. [07:10] infinity: I know, but vsftpd is a bit lighter for that [07:11] But, yes, you could rebuild one of the source packages to not Provide and Conflict ftp-server. [07:11] sponix: If proftpd is already running anyway, I'm not sure what's heavy about having it bind to two ports and have it serve anon on one. [07:11] hmm, apt-get build-dep vsftpd ? [07:11] Seems heavier to run two daemons. [07:11] apt-get source vsftpd [07:12] infinity: because its not what I _want_ *Grin*... Thats what t3H LuNiX is all about, it does what I fsck'n want it to === RAOF wonders idly why aptitude doesn't provide a "get the source package" option. [07:13] I still wonder why aptitude exist in the first place [07:13] Because it's your one-stop apt shop. [07:13] sponix: Ahh, but it only does exactly what you want if you build it yourself, really. [07:13] ls [07:13] ha.. oops :P [07:14] when I suck it down with that apt-get source vsftpd does it apply the patches, or do I need to do that ? [07:14] you need to apply the patches [07:14] Duh, it says it .. never mind [07:14] nixternal: What?? [07:14] See, and I just realised which "not a support channel" channel we're in, too. [07:15] nixternal: sorry... it says that it applied the diff [07:15] oh, the diff..I was thinking debian/patches..sorry === RAOF was about to search the wiki for a building-from-source package page, and be done with it. [07:15] infinity: yeah... I appreciate the help, and I'm sorry to take away from devel for my petty prefs ;) [07:16] RAOF: good idea... thanks for the help [07:16] sponix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=%28debdiff%29 minus the debdiff part should do. [07:17] sponix: apt-get install devscripts fakeroot ; apt-get source vsftpd ; apt-get build-dep vsftpd ; sed -i -e 's/ftp-server//g' vsftpd-*/debian/control; (cd vsftptd-* && dch -i && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b) [07:17] RAOF: RTFM ! *Grin* [07:17] sponix: There. Now we can stop talking about it. [07:20] infinity: that was above and beyond the call of duty. Especially since you think I'm a tard for wanting multiples ... Thanks a ton though [07:21] sponix: Don't feel too bad, I think everyone's a "tard"... There's a reason they don't let me lurk in support channels. [07:21] the parameter could be called 'args' inside the method as it is in the [07:21] caller and have a better docstring. I can fix that and merge it if [07:21] aye, how long as the Redhat cluster suite be in the repos ? [07:21] er, wrong window :D [07:22] sponix: Since before dapper. [07:22] just noticed it yesterday [07:22] infinity: libnss-db! [07:22] Now if they just port the AD && coolkey stuff I'll be all set [07:25] StevenK: Never heard of it. [07:27] infinity: Hmph [07:28] StevenK: I'll clear that off my TODO tonight. [07:29] StevenK: I've got a lull in OMG URGENT stuff, finally. [07:30] infinity: *nods* Just want a "Okay, looks fine." or a "Uh, this is broken." and I'll fix it or upload it. [07:32] infinity: actually, devscripts is (knowingly) missing a dependency on some perl package for dch to work properly (as an aside ;)) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar_ [n=scott@c-76-20-46-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] Which is correct for a control file: libncurses5-dev | libncurses-dev [i386] or libncurses5-dev [i386] | libncurses-dev [i386] -- I want neither on non i386 [07:42] YokoZar_: The latter. [07:42] infinity: thanks === fabbione [n=fabbione@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn137.78-98-1.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-198-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.62.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThorstenSick [n=modern_r@HSI-KBW-082-212-046-045.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host200-213-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] iwj: sure. btw, the comment in the 2nd hunk of debian/rules is a bit confusing. The cryptsetup binary isn't statically linked, is it? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] hi === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] noah__: Thank you very much! === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE8E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-15-50.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rijo [n=rijo@blackhole.science-computing.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] does anyone know why the translations for xdg-user-dirs are not picked up at all? === fabbione [i=fabbione@nat/canonical/x-3bc4cad6e0578031] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [i=jono@nat/canonical/x-733a77781679ca0d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] LongPointyStick: I thought uvf is for new upstream revisions and not Debian revisions? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThorstenSick [n=modern_r@HSI-KBW-082-212-046-045.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:29] ArneGoetje: I was told you might help me to handle bug 119588. It is not pressing at all, but I look for someone who can take care of this eventually. [10:29] Launchpad bug 119588 in ubuntu "Wrong rendering of Arabic characters" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119588 [10:34] asisak: I'll have a look [10:34] Thanks, ArneGoetje. Feel free to assign the bug to the right person. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] ion_: hi, do you get bug #135650, could you try to get a valgrind log? [11:00] Launchpad bug 135650 in gimp "GIMP crashes when trying to resize an image." [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135650 === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 is now known as ryu === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5f7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] siretart: You're right, that comment is confusing. It's statically linked _against libcryptsetup_ but dynamically against external libraries. === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@85.183.212.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@91.177.24.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] iwj: could you please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibhangul for me? Thanks. :) === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu3 [n=chris@p5486DFB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] ArneGoetje: Sure. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity1 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-ffb93aef98f4534f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity3 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-241-173-146.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkern_ is now known as pkern === cassidy [n=cassidy@186.201-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] iwj: I can confirm that your test package didn't blow up my system. (but I don't have crypted root, "only" crypted /home) [12:36] siretart: That's a very helpful report, thanks. [12:37] I think with another quick test here I should be able to upload it. === ulaas [n=chatzill@ant-a5-02-asy17.ant-ro-01.superonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@189.109.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] would like to report a scsi problem with gutsy tribe5 alternate install. this should be the right place, correct? [12:43] ulaas: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu === henrix [n=lhenriqu@84.90.24.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] is the output of the scripts in /etc/acpi/ sent anywhere when, for example, sending&resuming? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] Riddell: is that ok to upate icon-naming-utils to 0.8.6? The new version fixes some icon themes we have at the moment [12:51] Ng: There's a bit in /var/lib/acpi-support ? [12:51] Ng: What are you looking for specifically? [12:52] soren: hoping for some output of vbetool post, because it hangs quite a bit atm in gutsy for me [12:53] Ng: Don't think that's stored anywhere. You can disable the vbetool stuff in /etc/default/acpi-support, though. [12:53] seb128: sure [12:54] Riddell: thanks [12:55] soren: I need to post the card or I don't get the backlight, but sometimes it hangs and eats CPU (LP #134868) [12:55] Launchpad bug 134868 in vbetool "100% cpu on resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134868 [12:55] ArneGoetje: Approved, thanks. === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD604C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] soren: but I can add some more debugging myself I guess :) [12:55] ho === tseliot [n=tseliot@host46-199-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] Ng: Ah, I see. [12:57] Ng: It doesn't happen on my X40, FWIW. [12:57] Ng: Ah.. I have tweaked it, though. [12:57] soren: it never happened to me in feisty and vbetool is the same version in gutsy [12:57] Ng: I've set it to do doubel console switching. [12:58] soren: I've enabled that this morning to see if it helps, but I'd never needed it before. in feisty the acpi stuff on this machine was 99% reliable, certainly moreso than windows [12:58] Ng: Did you use the -intel driver in Feisty, too? === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] soren: yes, the i810 didn't like resuming very much, I found [12:59] +driver === sahin_w [n=KT@dsl5402ABA0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Ng: Ok... I don't remember if I enabled the double console switching already back then, actually. [01:00] Ng: Feisty was fine for me with i810. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soren -> lunch [01:01] soren: 8086:3582 for your graphics chip? === tseliot [n=tseliot@host46-199-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:02] Ng: Yup. === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity3 is now known as infinity [01:15] ogra: I have to say that reworking this cryptsetup main inclusion report hasn't given me a very good feeling about any similar reports from the same author in the future. I've found a couple more falsehoods in it and it doesn't really seem like the package was investigated during the preparation of the original report. === pmatulis [n=pmatulis@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor_ [n=renate@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates [01:24] iwj, well, that was a very old one, done with the old copy and paste habit, sorry for that [01:25] zul, u around? [01:28] ogra: I don't think "the old copy and paste habit" is and excuse for multiple false statements, really. [01:28] s/and/an [01:28] if anyone is interested about bug 127872 . i have a system with the same bug/scscichipset. and have time to get debug info from installer? [01:28] Launchpad bug 127872 in linux-source-2.6.22 "scsi drives not detected " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127872 [01:28] iwj, what are the fals statements ? i have the first iteration of the doc open ... [01:28] That there are no binaries running as root, for example. [01:29] (there are not many statements at all) [01:29] ah === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] I don't know what the Debian BTS looked like when you wrote the report but by now I wouldn't say that "maintainence in Debian is good" without further qualification. If you look at the Debian BTS and at LP it's clear the package has some "issues". === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] well, form an update pov its well maintained [01:31] I just wanted to point out that the next time I read a review from the same author I might treat the assertions in it with a bit more scepticism than I would hope would be necessary. [01:32] And because of that I have to do more work myself and it may not always be at the top of the queue. [01:32] and i see two oustanding bugs marked as important and one in pending upload [01:32] Did you read the one about the data loss ? [01:33] no, at least there is no bugtitle indication something like that anywhere === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] 428288 [01:35] and i would expect such a bug to be tagged important, which it obviously isnt [01:35] My point is that if I can't rely on the report author to have done the research then I have to do it myself. That's not really the role of the approver, for obvious reasons. [01:36] right [01:36] So next time I will expect you to understand why perhaps your report doesn't go straight to the top of the list. [01:36] i'll try to be more careful with future reports ... this was actually one i added really from the template since i had discussed it in person with pitti before === norsetto [n=norsetto@host200-213-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] As I said just ^ up there, copying text from the template is no excuse for inclusion of false statements. The one about no binaries running as root is a cut-and-dried example. [01:37] you will very likely get a new moodle report from me for gutsy if the edu team gets the package ready [01:38] i'll try to make that as good as i can ;) [01:38] Now if it were just that one little slip in an otherwise thorough review then I wouldn't be so bothered but that's not the case. [01:38] well, that was the report you started to change the policy for ... [01:38] and i didnt touch it after you rejected it ... [01:39] Are you asserting that the previous policy was to encourage the inclusion of false statements in MIRs ?! [01:39] no, but it made it easy to let one statement slip through [01:39] surely we have had this discussion about MIR policy at length before, and established that Ian was just making it clearer [01:39] which cant happen witrh the new tmplate [01:39] Well I think that as the review author you ought to take responsibility for that. [01:40] cjwatson, right, and that was actually the last MIR i wrote personally [01:40] iwj, i will do that if i write my next one === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] I see, well, I hope you'll forgive me if I still take a somewhat sceptical approach to the next one. [01:41] iwj, no, i actually appreciate that, simply as a selfcontrol mechanism :) [01:42] Thanks. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] mjg59: bug ##136346 for you probably [01:47] bug #136346 [01:47] Launchpad bug 136346 in gnome-power-manager "gutsy: g-p-m 2.19.6-0ubuntu4 breaks brightness control" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136346 === zul__ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor__ [n=renate@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro [n=pedro@pc-88-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] cjwatson: So I think I've finished rewriting this review report but I was wondering if you would like to quickly look over the report and give me a second opinion ? My view is that we probably ought to include it despite the fact that it does have some problems. [01:57] cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportCryptsetup is the wiki page. [02:10] iwj: looking === pedro_ [n=pedro@pc-88-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === deadwill [n=deadwill@146037.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Company [n=Company@e176109207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@131-44.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] hey guys [02:58] 6.06.2 is advertised as being due today, 2007-08-31 [02:58] EtienneG: where? we changed that [02:58] I have not heard much about it ... just curious if we are going to make it [02:58] pushed to next month [02:58] cjwatson, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06.2 [02:58] I'll correct that, thanks [02:59] (as soon as I dig up the new date) [02:59] cjwatson, thanks, would like to know the new date === jwendell [n=wendell@wks227.usinasantoantonio.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] EtienneG: https://wiki.canonical.com/Ubuntu6.06.2 [03:00] ha, it's a bit out of sync though [03:01] cjwatson, thanks a lot ! who's the release manager for that one ? [03:01] fixed [03:01] pitti [03:01] Yay, secret documents. [03:01] (on holiday atm) [03:01] Fujitsu: the date in the public URL noted by EtienneG is up to date now [03:02] Ah, good. [03:02] the full list is private at the moment because an awful lot of the drivers for the specifics of 6.06.2 are Canonical partners of one kind or another [03:03] cjwatson, sorry for bugging you during your holiday. Not get away from the computer !!! :) [03:03] s/Not/Now/ [03:03] EtienneG: I'm not on holiday; pitti is [03:04] cjwatson, ok, sorry then! [03:04] he is having a well-deserved one [03:07] cjwatson: got a second to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/125247 ? should be just applying :) [03:07] Launchpad bug 125247 in vim "Apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do not alwyas have proper syntax highlighting" [Undecided,Triaged] === Hobbsee waves to EtienneG [03:07] Chipzz: sorry, no; I think somebody else has touched-it-last-maintainership of vim by now ;-) === EtienneG wave to Hobbsee back ! [03:08] :) === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-92-37.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@131-44.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.10.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] Chipzz: That would be me.. :/ [03:25] Chipzz: Oh, but I'm not core-dev. :) [03:25] soren: not important really, but is an easy fix, and it didn't get triaged yet though === kleinernik [n=nik@lap218.comtec.e-technik.uni-kassel.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] mjg59: hi, vbetool / libx86 debug output has now been going for ca. 7 hours, and the log file is 100MB. just because I don't know anything about instruction dumping works, is it sure other processes don't matter? ie. it only logs whatever the vbetool is doing? I'll let it be probably for this evening and night still. [03:30] Mirv: Ok, once it's got that big it's /probably/ ok to stop it [03:30] But yes, it'll only dump what vbetool is doing === agoliveira [n=adilson@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] I'm yearning for the crash to happen :) === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] Could you gzip what it's done so far and attach that to the bug? [03:36] hi, i want to help with bugfixing, i found a bug on lunchpad and i think i have got a patch to fix this bug. i uploaded this patch to lunchpad. it is not an important bug, but for me it is a good starting point. can anyone help me, i don't know what to do next, i.e. how to find someone to prove my fix and point out what are the next steps .. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] kleinernik: you might want to see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-8dc270349b08faf7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] Hobbsee: thank you === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] Mirv: Though, ideally, it would be better if we could wait for it to actually crash, yeah === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-241-166-234.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] Could someone please upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/upload/dovecot/ for me? [03:50] Hobbsee, soren: does the goocanvas exception is also granted for pygoocanvas? ;) [03:50] seb128: yes [03:51] soren: sure === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] soren: its ok to upload this one? [03:52] Hobbsee: thanks === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn137.78-98-1.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cpro1 [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] cjwatson: Did you have an opinion about cryptsetup ? If you're too busy I can ask someone else or just go ahead based on my own opinion. [04:04] iwj: whoops, sorry. I think it's reasonable for promotion with your changes. Could you file a bug against partman-crypto to note that it needs to forbid mounting a partition that needs cryptsetup on /usr, though? === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] cjwatson: Since cryptsetup actually lives in /usr? [04:05] iwj: what are we doing about things like bug 105394? [04:05] Launchpad bug 105394 in cryptsetup "Upstart needs some key pressed to show "Enter Passphrase" on boot / cryptsetup problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105394 [04:05] StevenK: libraries it uses apparently [04:05] cjwatson: Which is fair enough. Avoiding chicken and egg problems is good. [04:06] iwj: bug 90914 has a patch which looks perhaps helpful in part [04:06] Launchpad bug 90914 in cryptsetup "initramfs cryptroot usplash support" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90914 [04:07] Riddell: how do I get flash non free being used by konqueror? === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] seb128: settings->configure konqueror->plugins->scan for new plugins [04:08] assuming you have it installed somewhere it's searching [04:08] although it should do that on startup anyyway [04:08] utch [04:08] oh, it does it at KDE startup, which I guess means not for you [04:08] 5 Configure items in the settings menu, KDE is impressive :p [04:08] horrific isn't it [04:09] one day I'll fix that [04:09] no plugins in the configure konqueror === seb128 installs konqueror-nsplugins [04:12] cjwatson: Shouldn't the patch use usplash_write if $count -gt 3 at the end instead of just echo'ing? === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-42.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D84AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] cjwatson: 105394> I don't think we're doing anything about it :-/. I haven't tested that setup myself but I imagine one response would be `use luks' although of course we don't know if luks is affected too. [04:16] cjwatson: 90914> Yes, perhaps. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] Riddell: flash works fine in konqueror for me === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] cjwatson: I think really the package needs some maintenance in Ubuntu but the question is really whether to put it in main now. [04:16] seb128: with the current gtk or a patched one? [04:16] Riddell: current gutsy [04:16] I was trying to get the bug to fix it [04:16] but not way [04:17] seb128: oh, that'll be our patch we added which adds a dependency on gtk [04:17] cjwatson: I think I'll call myself the maintainer of the package but I don't propose to fix it up very much for gutsy. It really needs rather more invasive changes which ought to be done earlier in a cycle. [04:17] Riddell: oh, you did use the workaround? [04:17] cjwatson: So, err, thanks. === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@189.109.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] seb128: for now, but obviously I'd much rather have a workaround in gtk than have konqueror depend on gtk and do the workaround for it [04:18] seb128: you'll need to downgrade to 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu15 or earlier, or just use opera [04:21] cjwatson: partman-crypto> bug 136382 [04:21] Launchpad bug 136382 in partman-crypto "disallow encrypted separate /usr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136382 === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsett1 [n=norsetto@host97-223-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] asac: any idea what bug 136376 is all about? [04:27] Launchpad bug 136376 in flashplugin-nonfree "automatic update for mozilla-flashplayer make using flashplayer impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136376 [04:28] ok here is good too ;) [04:32] Mithrandir: could you give back krusader on all arches, please? [04:34] Hobbsee: given-back [04:34] Mithrandir: thankyou :) [04:34] Riddell: looks like the alternative is no installed for firefox [04:36] Mithrandir: libzzip-0-12 and libzeroc-ice-cil can be NBS'd out of the archive at your leisure. [04:37] infinity: Ping, you said tonight. [04:38] StevenK: I'm on too bad a line to want to do any non-urgent archive work, but thanks\. [04:38] s/\\// [04:38] Mithrandir: Meh, whenever [04:39] yeah, sorry. :-/ [04:39] just being on the wrong side of the atlantic. It's not as bad as being in .au, but getting there. === Hobbsee snorts [04:40] You're helping, Mithrandir, really. [04:40] :-P === Hobbsee pokes Mithrandir in the ribs repeatedly. === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D84AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl is now known as pkl_ === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] Heya === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates [04:52] Riddell: ok on amd64 its completely broken... the alternative just points to the wrong file ... e.g. the 32-bit one. [04:54] Mithrandir: Have you got a sec to poke at kxdocker? [04:54] StevenK: what about it? [04:54] StevenK: it's gone, isnt it? [04:54] StevenK: what kind of poking? [04:54] It's marked superseded [04:54] But what about kxdocker-data? [04:54] StevenK: it's been removed, iirc [04:54] that should have been gotten in the removal request [04:55] hmm, seems its' a separate source [04:55] Yup. [04:55] But so it has. [04:55] Mithrandir: Do you want a bug to kill kxdocker-data? [04:55] seb might be able to do it, he's on a more stable connection [04:57] StevenK: please, or just get seb to do it. [04:57] StevenK: it needs removal? [04:58] seb128: yes [04:58] rational? [04:58] seb128: "because i said so" [04:58] Hobbsee: well, just a small rational for the removal text would be nice [04:58] seb128: It's data files for kxdocker, which was killed before and has been broken since Edgy [04:58] seb128: there's one, right there :P [04:58] like superceded, or not maintained upstream, or .. [04:59] seb128: because kxdocker got removed to brokenness, and someone forgot to ask for removal of both [05:00] Hobbsee, StevenK: removed [05:00] thanks [05:01] seb128: really, "because i said so" is a perfectly valid reason... [05:01] Hell have no fury.... [05:01] Actually, it's 'hath' [05:01] Hobbsee: right, double checking doesn't hurt though and I like to do things because I agree and not because I've been told to do them ;) [05:01] I know.. I couldn't think of the spelling atm.. :-( [05:02] seb128: i know :) [05:02] Hell hath no fury like a woman with a point stick!.. :-) [05:02] seb128: coerced. with Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:02] es === seb128 runs away from Hobbsee === Hobbsee chases after seb128 === norsetto [n=norsetto@host97-223-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Damn I'm having a hard time getting motivated again.. :-( === Hobbsee pokes bddebian with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to motivate him [05:03] Gah, sorry, wrong channel === bddebian cowers back to -motu [05:04] bddebian: you can run, but you cant hide.. [05:05] bddebian: but she's very tickly. [05:05] Heh [05:06] But tickling Hobbsee is dangerous for one's ribs [05:06] StevenK: you need a long pointy stick of tickling then? [05:06] Hobbsee: Are you coming to Boston? === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet [05:06] maswan: Or a straightjacket [05:06] hah [05:06] bddebian: perhaps. we'll see. [05:06] StevenK: yes, you've finally learned this, it seems :P [05:07] Mithrandir: you shouldnt give away my secrets like that === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] I can't decide whether to go or not.. === ScottK is poindering the same question. [05:09] ScottK: Where are you? [05:09] Outside Baltimore, MD, USA [05:09] StevenK: I'll hold her, and you can tickle? [05:09] Oh crap, you are closer than me then :-) [05:09] bddebian: Where are you? [05:09] asac_the_2nd: flashplayer-nonfree in feisty is broken? [05:10] ScottK: Close to Philly [05:10] Mithrandir: you do that, and i'll beat both of you. === cpro1 [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] Riddell: huh ... is this bug for feisty? [05:10]