[12:35] <elite101> mhm anyone know how to build/make a livecd?
[12:35] <xtknight> elite101, #ubuntu should have instructions on that.  there's a factoid
[12:35] <elite101> errr
[12:35] <elite101> i just went from #kubuntu to #ubuntu-motu now #ubuntu xD
[12:35] <xtknight> ok well hold on
[12:36] <_MMA_> superm1: Whats up?
[12:36] <superm1> TheMuso, ah okay.  well hugin svn version is desired for qtpsfgui which just got accepted from REVU.  Not necessary, but recommended.  So xtknight filed a UVFe, but a few of the functions in hugin svn don't work
[12:36] <xtknight> elite101, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[12:36] <superm1> xtknight, has the two of the them handy i think
[12:36] <elite101> urrr. not what i really wanted
[12:36] <superm1> so we wanted to make sure that disabling those two wouldnt hurt ubuntu studio at all
[12:36] <xtknight> superm1, TheMuso  actually one is fine, it compiles it was just disabled by default.  im having trouble getting the other to compile at all
[12:37] <_MMA_> superm1: Which functions?
[12:37] <xtknight> _MMA_,  zhang_undistort currently is the only program which does not compile with hugin SVN
[12:37] <xtknight> which should be part of hugin-tools
[12:37] <cbx33> blueyed, heheh
[12:37] <cbx33> yeh i'm good
[12:37] <cbx33> just off to bed
[12:37] <xtknight>   - zhang_undistort, correct barrel distortion, using zhang's algorithm.
[12:37] <cbx33> tired
[12:37] <ossurayynot> I don't think https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds has had an i386 build all day
[12:38] <superm1> ossurayynot, mythbuntu-meta's i386 and mythstream's i386 went through today
[12:38] <blueyed> cbx33: fine. sleep is good.. in fact I'm drunken so I can sleep "well".. brush your teeth and say goodbye.. :D
[12:38] <_MMA_> Personally Im not for crippling functionality in one app to make another work. Does the SVN fix any current bugs?
[12:39] <ossurayynot> superm1, hmm, ok
[12:39] <superm1> ossurayynot, also very very early in the morning today, i submitted mythbuntu-artwork-usplash which built i386 and amd64
[12:39] <xtknight> _MMA_,  the SVN has an app which is more or less needed for another program going into Gutsy (align_image_stack for Qtpfsgui).  it would be really helpful if this program was in, at least
[12:39] <ossurayynot> superm1, That I think I may have seen before going to bed actually
[12:40] <xtknight> _MMA_,  i think zhang_undistort was deprecated as it was commented out but i can give you a definitive answer if i get a reply on the hugin mailing list
[12:41] <_MMA_> xtknight: Sure. If we can get an answer that would be great. Honestly Im not even sure how it would impact Hugin but since I use it regularly I would hate to find out. ;)
[12:42] <LaserJock> elite101: what more did you want?
[12:42] <xtknight> _MMA_,  heh well only improvements i hope.  but all i really need is align_image_stack.  maybe there's way to grab that out of the svn and keep the rest of it?
[12:43] <superm1> xtknight, you could always grab the sources that contain align_image_stack from svn
[12:43] <superm1> and add that a cdbs/dpatch
[12:43] <superm1> to the hugin source
[12:43] <xtknight> ok.  was wondering if that was considered "messy"
[12:43] <_MMA_> xtknight: Im unsure. Like I said, Im just not for potentially hurting one app to help another into the repo.
[12:43] <superm1> well i mean maintaining it will be a bit messy
[12:44] <superm1> but once you do it once, you can keep up with the patches as long as you remember how you did it
[12:44] <xtknight> if the answer i get from the list isnt satisfying then i will go that route
[12:45] <superm1> yea i'd imagine since its just a sep app, you could patch the Makefile to build the other app, and add the directory of sources for the other app too
[12:45] <xtknight> i think it's just one cpp file
[12:45] <superm1> even easier then :)
[12:45] <xtknight> but you never know how well it works with the rest of the old hugin
[12:46] <xtknight> would it be preferable to do [new hugin svn w/ zhang_undistort fix]  or [old hugin+align_image_stack] ?
[12:47] <_MMA_> I would think the latter.
[12:48] <xtknight> ya we would always wait until beta5 to package a whole new hugin.  since this is just SVN since beta4 that's already in there.  there haven't been any 'releases' since the version in gutsy (beta4)
[12:48] <_MMA_> But thats just me because I know "old hugin" works. :)
[12:48] <xtknight> could*
[12:48] <asisak> See you later
[12:49] <xtknight> actually latter method will make packaging a lot easier too ;)
[12:49] <_MMA_> \m/
[12:51] <xtknight> one thing, i didnt know if ripping out part of hugin's other pkg and sticking it in this one was "legal".  i know the gpl allows a lot of things but im sure there are some limitations?
[01:45] <zul> evening
[01:45] <LaserJock> wb zul
[01:45] <zul> ty LaserJock
[01:47] <ajmitch> hello zul, LaserJock
[01:47] <zul> hi ajmitch how goes it?
[01:47] <ajmitch> good
[01:47] <ajmitch> was just watching bzr use >600MB of RAM
[01:48] <ajmitch> grabbing a copy of an svn branch
[01:49] <zul> must be fun..
[01:49] <zul> im just watching liam roll into book cases
[01:49] <ajmitch> I need some patches from it
[01:49] <ajmitch> heh
[01:49] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get too many things done at once and just want to sit and chat
[01:50] <zul> isnt that how it usually is?
[01:51] <ajmitch> no
[01:51] <ajmitch> I'm usually not getting anything done
[01:51] <zul> yeah we know that :)
[01:51] <LaserJock> I wish I was half as productive as ajmitch :-)
[01:53] <ajmitch> 0.5*0 is a great improvement? :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> zul: enough of your smart remarks, thanks
[01:53] <zul> no problem
[01:54] <LaserJock> but they are so witty
[01:54] <zul> :P
[01:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's an interesting euphemism to use :)
[01:55] <LaserJock> hmm, so we only get 1 PPA per person
[01:55] <ajmitch> annoying, isn't it?
[01:55] <LaserJock> well, kinda
[01:56] <LaserJock> I was thinking of making package for a variety of subjects
[01:56] <LaserJock> so it doesn't make much sense to dump them in the same repo
[01:57] <RAOF> LaserJock: Just make some dummy teams :)
[01:58] <LaserJock> that's pretty abusive
[01:58] <LaserJock> I've got entirely too many teams as it is
[01:58] <LaserJock> creating ones just for packages seems silly
[01:58] <RAOF> I'd think it would depend on the packages, really.
[01:59] <ajmitch> you may want a "bugfix" PPA, a "zomginsane" PPA, etc
[01:59] <ajmitch> and not having the packages mix
[01:59] <LaserJock> well, one thing I've always hated about 3rd party packages
[02:00] <ajmitch> eg having a modified toolchain in one PPA, doesn't mean you need it for all your packages :)
[02:00] <LaserJock> is if there's a couple apps that I want, but not *all* of them
[02:00] <ajmitch> apt pinning
[02:00] <LaserJock> yeah, or you separate repos like a normal person ;-)
[02:01] <keescook> yah know how you can walk into a room and hear something totally out of context and decide you'd better just leave again?  I just flipped to here, and saw "apt pinning".  time to leave again!
[02:02] <ajmitch> haha
[02:03] <ajmitch> keescook: surely we're not *that* bad ;)
[02:03] <Amaranth> RAOF: Good news and bad news
[02:04] <Amaranth> RAOF: Good news: nvidia is going to make another driver release soon
[02:04] <LaserJock> keescook: I was trying to figure out how to use apt-pinning to work with my 0install build of Automatix ;-)
[02:04] <Amaranth> RAOF: Bad news: I think it'll only work with xserver 1.4
[02:04] <keescook> heh, nah, I didn't leave again.  I just knew something complex was being discussed.  :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't worry, I've used apt pinning to upgrade from debian to ubuntu in the past :)
[02:05] <keescook> yeah, I think that's when I used it last too
[02:05] <LaserJock> I think I used it once in the like 1 week I had Debian installed
[02:05] <RAOF> Amaranth: Well.  Bah!
[02:05] <LaserJock> like to mix stable and testing or something
[02:06] <Amaranth> LaserJock: like to add testing to your sources.list but pin the stable packages except for a few exceptions? :)
[02:07] <LaserJock> something like that
[02:07] <TheMuso> c/c
[02:07] <TheMuso> ugh
[02:07] <LaserJock> ahh
[02:07] <LaserJock> I missed those
[02:07] <RAOF> Wow.  That has to be the worst ever apport backtrace.  61 functions on the stack, all but 58,59 & 60 are ??
[02:37] <LaserJock> oh my
[02:38] <LaserJock> I just got a fwd from a guy at work. somebody was troubleshooting why their linux was getting slow
[02:38] <LaserJock> and they noticed that X was taking 50% of their RAM!!!
[02:38] <LaserJock> and they asked what this X command was and why it was run by root
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:44] <ajmitch> yeah...
[02:45] <ajmitch> isn't that the dangerous memory-eating virus?
[02:47] <geser> Java?
[02:47] <ajmitch> no, firefox
[02:48] <ajmitch> 18912 ajmitch   15   0 1511m 870m  13m S    0 22.0 154:25.42 galeon
[02:48] <ajmitch> what a wonderful gecko :)
[02:49] <LaserJock> shesh
[02:49] <ajmitch> yeah, I had a few too many tabs open
[02:49] <LaserJock> yeah, this ClassmatePC is teaching me a little bit about memory management
[02:50] <LaserJock> "do I *really* need another tab for that?"
[02:50] <ajmitch> launchpad.net refused the connection.
[02:51] <ajmitch> hm, that's a bad thing
[02:52] <TheMuso> .c
[02:52] <ajmitch> ugh?
[02:52] <LaserJock> hah
[02:52] <geser> LP works for me again (for the moment)
[02:53] <LaserJock> Poltergeist Punishment Area (PPA)
[02:53] <geser> :)
[02:53] <TheMuso> heh
[02:55] <ajmitch> geser: yeah, it's probably fragile
[03:05] <geser> I hope the motu-uvf team won't try to kill me for bug #136259
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136259 in zeroc-ice-ruby "[UVFe]  Sync the zeroc-ice packages to 3.2.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136259
[03:08] <zul> why would we do that oh i see now
[03:13] <ajmitch> geser: just give them a pony & it'll all be fine
[03:16] <zul> or beer
[03:17] <ajmitch> mmm, beer
[03:17] <ajmitch> it's a friday afternoon sure, surely it's beer o'clock
[03:17] <LaserJock> yuck
[03:18] <LaserJock> I find beer to be quite disgusting, sorry
[03:18] <zul> ok applejuice for LaserJock then
[03:19] <LaserJock> sweet
[03:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: even guinness? :)
[03:19] <LaserJock> I had a buddy switch my apple juice for beer once, yuck
[03:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: never had it
[03:19] <ajmitch> well we're probably talking about american beer here, so I can sympathise with 'yuck'
[03:19] <LaserJock> I also find wine and champagne yuck
[03:20] <ajmitch> depends on the wine, I find
[03:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:20] <LaserJock> there was some wine at at UDS
[03:20] <LaserJock> maybe Paris
[03:20] <LaserJock> and it was at least tolerable
[03:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: debian's TeX svn? :-)
[03:29] <ajmitch> no, I'd rather not
[03:35] <ajmitch> yay, finally got a mail from the guy who did some authtool stuff
[04:00] <Administrator> hi
[04:00] <Administrator> Hello
[04:00] <Administrator> i need help
[04:00] <Administrator> my workspaces wont work or something
[04:00] <Administrator> i only have one for some reason
[04:00] <Administrator> and not 4
[04:00] <Administrator> any ideas?
[04:00] <ajmitch> if you're using gutsy, ask in #ubuntu+1, otherwise #ubuntu
[04:01] <Administrator> im using fiesty
[04:01] <Administrator> feisty
[04:01] <ajmitch> then ask in #ubuntu
[04:02] <Administrator> im banned from there
[04:02] <Administrator> casue i kept asking questions
[04:02] <ajmitch> heh
[04:02] <Administrator> well??
[04:03] <ajmitch> well, this isn't the place to ask, this channel is for maintenance of packages in universe
[04:03] <Administrator> ok well that dont mean you wont know the answer to that question
[04:04] <ajmitch> no, but it does mean that you shouldn't pick random ubuntu channels to ask in
[04:04] <ajmitch> if you feel that you should be unbanned from #ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu-ops
[04:04] <Administrator> ok
[04:06] <keescook> perhaps set your IRC nick too.  :)
[04:08] <joejaxx> hmm
[04:08] <ajmitch> joejaxx: don't ghost :P
[04:08] <joejaxx> :)
[04:08] <ajmitch> evil sod
[04:24] <xtknight> superm1, hey, you around?
[04:34] <nixternal> for NEW packages, should the maintainer be MOTU, and the person who created the package be an Uploader?
[04:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Uploader isn't used by Ubuntu.
[04:35] <ScottK> Generally they should be original maintainer.
[04:35] <nixternal> OK, so set maintainer to MOTU, and then have them put their info in the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field then
[04:36] <ScottK> Yes
[04:36] <nixternal> thanks
[04:36] <ScottK> No problem.
[04:37] <ScottK> It's not actually required to have the original maintainer.
[04:37] <ScottK> More of a guideline than a rule....
[04:49] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:49] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[04:50] <bddebian> So what's shakin' ?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bad stuff
[04:52] <bddebian> Uh oh, now what?
[04:52] <ajmitch> at work
[04:54] <bddebian> Ah
[05:06] <bddebian> Hmm, quiet tonight
[05:07] <ScottK> Everyone is tired from arguing about the NEW queue earlier today.
[05:07] <bddebian> heh
[05:07] <bddebian> Just shoot it, put it out of it's misery :-)
[05:07] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:12] <LongPointyStick> what fun.
[05:12] <ajmitch> hello LongPointyStick
[05:13] <LongPointyStick> hi ajmitch
[05:13] <imbrandon> wow this is a change
[05:14] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ?
[05:14] <imbrandon> dapper livecd on a 500mhz celeron
[05:14] <imbrandon> heh
[05:14] <ajmitch> speedy?
[05:14] <imbrandon> heh you could say that
[05:14] <imbrandon> trying to get a bare system togathr for my 6 year old
[05:15] <imbrandon> i'm thinking this thing needs fluxbox though
[05:15] <xtknight> Tim Hull on ubuntu-devel sure has found a lot wrong with ubuntu :P
[05:16] <bddebian> ??
[05:16] <imbrandon> archive url ?
[05:16] <xtknight> i dunno you'd know if you saw his last post hehe
[05:18] <xtknight> well his last post elicited a very rude response i kinda feel sorry for the guy but he created a new thread now
[05:18] <LongPointyStick> xtknight: yeah, he was sane enough when on irc
[05:19] <bddebian> Hmm, I must not get -devel mail anymore
[05:23] <ajmitch> xtknight: 'very rude' is putting it nicely
[05:31] <bddebian> Actually I do get them. Am I missing something here?  What thread?
[05:34] <xtknight> well any from thully@umich.edu but first was "Ubuntu development..." and second was "Non-"critical" bug fixes/new hardware drivers in stable releases?"
[05:35] <bddebian> Hmm weird
[05:37] <ajmitch> weird?
[05:37] <bddebian> I don't see those
[05:37] <imbrandon> the non-critical email dident seem rude, i dont agree with it but it dosent seem incoherant or rude
[05:38] <bddebian> Anyway, where's UDS info at?
[05:38] <xtknight> it was the reply to his first thread that was rude ("RTFM" from somebody in a private email, etc)
[05:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: there was a private email that he quoted
[05:38] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:39] <ajmitch> basically along the lines of "you suck, RTFM, FOAD"
[05:39] <xtknight> actually not quite sure what replies he expects lol
[05:40] <LongPointyStick> bddebian: w.u.c/UDSBOSTON or something
[05:40] <LongPointyStick> xtknight: probably what he can work on, how to do it
[05:41] <LongPointyStick> xtknight: most people who write that sort of mail underestimate how big ubuntu development is
[05:41] <xtknight> LongPointyStick, ya true
[05:41] <xtknight> it's like fix #1 fix #2 go do it! :P
[05:42] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston
[05:42] <ajmitch> LongPointyStick: I believe he's also made some suggestions to debian as well
[05:42] <LongPointyStick> heh
[05:42] <LongPointyStick> and tha'ts *so* going to work.
[05:42] <xtknight> lol
[05:42] <ajmitch> but it's not nearly as entertaining as the icelinux threads on debian-devel at the moment
[05:43] <ajmitch> you have to read them to believe it
[05:47] <bddebian> Wow, I recognize like 2 names on the Attendees list so far :-)
[05:48] <ajmitch> not mine! :)
[05:49] <bddebian> Yeah, get it on there :)
[05:49] <RAOF> Thanks for the ack LongPointyStick!
[05:49] <ajmitch> why?
[05:49] <ajmitch> there's no point adding my name if I don't plan to be there
[05:49] <LongPointyStick> RAOF: no problem.  jus tmake sure it's not crackful
[05:49] <bddebian> Plan to be there
[05:50] <LongPointyStick> well, more crackful
[05:50] <RAOF> LongPointyStick: Not too crackful :)
[05:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: easier said than done. I presume you'll be paying?
[05:52] <bddebian> I would if I could.  I'm poorer these days :-(
[05:53] <bddebian> Though to be honest I'm not sure why I would even consider going
[05:53] <ajmitch> to contribute
[05:53] <bddebian> To what?  I'm just a small patch/cleanup guy
[05:53] <ajmitch> I'm sure there'll be some spec there that interests you
[05:54] <ajmitch> you think I have anything to contribute?
[05:54] <bddebian> Yes
[05:54] <ajmitch> funny
[05:54] <ajmitch> I can't think of anything
[05:55] <ajmitch> groan
[05:55] <ajmitch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136277
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136277 in ubuntu "will not install" [Undecided,New] 
[05:55] <bddebian> Heh
[06:09] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:12] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[06:17] <astronouth7303> does uinput work on ubuntu?
[06:17] <astronouth7303> write() just gives me EINVAL
[06:19] <astronouth7303> the code I'm using is http://pastebin.com/m9759c54
[06:20] <astronouth7303> which is ment to be a simple test
[06:57] <nixternal> yikes
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice and big in here
[06:58] <astronouth7303> how's that?
[06:59] <StevenK> [14:53]  -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Bixente, ytojack, lucas, sacater, giskard, Pici, heyko, ScottK, fernando, evand,  (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
[06:59] <StevenK> astronouth7303: ^
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> The rejoin isn't as pretty as the split though
[06:59] <astronouth7303> interesting
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> well, sometimes is, sometimes isn't
[07:00] <astronouth7303> I had that zelazny disconnected
[07:00] <astronouth7303> and my bro said that it was kubrick
[07:00] <StevenK> astronouth7303: That's a freenode-ism. It will only show the node you're connected to.
[07:00] <astronouth7303> ah
[07:01] <astronouth7303> has anyone else had problems with uinput?
[07:02] <astronouth7303> halp?
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> are debdiffs applied with patch like any other diff?
[07:05] <LaserJock> yep
[07:35] <YokoZar_> Which is correct for a control file:  libncurses5-dev | libncurses-dev [i386]   or  libncurses5-dev [i386]  | libncurses-dev [i386]    (I want neither on amd64)
[08:24] <asisak> Good morning!
[08:25] <white> !info libpam-ssh gutsy
[08:25] <ubotu> libpam-ssh: enable SSO behavior for ssh and pam. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.91.0-9.1 (gutsy), package size 46 kB, installed size 180 kB
[08:26] <white> not quite sure, if i mentioned it already, but someone might want to update it to 1.91.0-9.2
[08:44] <norsetto> hiya gang
[08:46] <asisak> Hey norsetto
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> hi
[08:47] <norsetto> hey! where is your old skin!?
[08:47] <asisak> what happened to ossurayyon?
[08:47] <asisak> ossurayynot even
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> That was me chilling at school
[09:05] <ThorstenSick> Good mornig
[09:05] <ThorstenSick> I've got some questions about starting to develop for ubuntu
[09:06] <ThorstenSick> The silliest one is: where to start. There are to many options (motu, developer mailing list, ...)
[09:07] <asisak> ThorstenSick: what do you want to do? :)
[09:08] <ThorstenSick> I've got some ideas how to improve security and sefety by small programs (backup of usb sticks as soon as they are inserted, ...)
[09:08] <Tonio_> hey
[09:09] <asisak> ThorstenSick: You can either choose to fix bugs. That is quite easy to start with.
[09:11] <asisak> On the other hand if you have ideas for new features you can file specifications at LP
[09:12] <ThorstenSick> Coding is not the problem. I am earning money this way...
[09:14] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[09:15] <ThorstenSick> The idea is good. My problems at the moment are: how does the community work (and where to contribute)
[09:16] <ThorstenSick> and where to post my ideas
[09:20] <asisak> ThorstenSick: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment?
[09:20] <asisak> (It lists some of the entry points)
[09:21] <ThorstenSick> Yes, I did read that. Posted an idea on ubuntu-devel (without any reply)
[09:22] <ThorstenSick> Now I am trying the more interactive ways of communicating.
[09:22] <asisak> This time people tend to be busy with freezes and bug fixes
[09:22] <asisak> Submitting new ideas likely get more attention at the start of a new release cycle.
[09:23] <asisak> Therefore I suggest bug fixing for now, again :)
[09:23] <asisak> Or you should wait a bit more, till someone else will answer you as well here :)
[09:24] <ThorstenSick> I will do that. After holidays
[09:24] <ThorstenSick> I am browsing the bugs at the moment
[09:26] <asisak> You might consider joining a team based on your interests. E.g., if you want to fix Gnome / KDE / XFCE / Mozilla / ... bugs, you can consider joining their channel and ask if they need any help.
[09:26] <asisak> s/consider for the second time//
[09:26] <RAOF> And if you want to write code, you can just write programs and we'll help package them :)
[09:29] <ThorstenSick> Thanks.
[09:29] <ThorstenSick> when checking for bugs having to be fixed: Is there any way to filter project by programming language (c/c++/python) ?
[09:29] <asisak> Hey RAOF!
[09:29] <RAOF> asisak: Hey!
[09:30] <RAOF> ThorstenSick: Not as far as I'm aware, although the project page on launchpad may have such information.
[09:30] <asisak> ThorstenSick: I am afraid there is no way. You can select a source package that is however either in C / C++ / ...
[09:30] <asisak> ThorstenSick: What kind of bugs do you want to fix?
[09:30] <asisak> I mean what language do you prefer?
[09:31] <ThorstenSick> Any one of these, and perl. At the moment I am improving my python-fu so I would prefer this.
[09:32] <RAOF> ThorstenSick: Hm, if you want to improve your python-fu and have some time on your hands, you could hack on some of the Ubuntu tools :)
[09:33] <RAOF> The installer (Ubiquity), Add/Remove, displayconfig-gtk, restricted-manager, etc.
[09:37] <ThorstenSick> These projects sound interesting
[09:38] <RAOF> Then go!  Teach ubiquity about LVM! :)
[09:39] <RAOF> On a more serious note, you probably want to check with the various teams that manage those tools, and see what needs doing.
[09:39] <ThorstenSick> :-) The problem is i will be traveling around almost the whole next month (holiday and conferences) so nothing for the next release. Oh and no LVM on my computers :-(
[09:40] <RAOF> Heh.
[09:41] <asisak> ThorstenSick: no problem. You can join & help us whenever you can :)
[09:46] <ThorstenSick> I will. About my ideas: Is the idea-pool wiki the proper place to post them ?
[09:48] <YokoZar_> If I try to upload a (different version) of a package someone else already uploaded to REVU, but with the same name, will that screw things up?
[09:50] <norsetto> Anybody in motu-uvf willing to review bug 131325 (2 acks needed) and/or bug 134552 (1 ack needed)? Many thanks in advance.
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134552 in yappy "Please merge yappy (1.8-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134552
[09:54] <YokoZar_> What's the fastest I can upload to REVU?  It's not giving any feedback and I have no idea how fast its going
[09:56] <asisak> YokoZar_: you can only upload by FTP. Incoming queue is processed every five minutes.
[09:57] <YokoZar_> asisak: I'm using dput, which seems to be doing ftp...but it's been sitting there for about 30 minutes
[09:57] <asisak> YokoZar_: might be that your network connection has been broken
[09:57] <asisak> If it takes a very long time, consider to talk to a REVU admin to nuke your upload and try to re-submit it
[09:57] <YokoZar_> It's also a 16 meg file.  If REVU only lets people upload at like 2k, then...
[09:58] <asisak> Oh, then wait...
[09:58] <YokoZar_> I was just wondering if it is 2k
[09:58] <asisak> Check if your network is active
[09:58] <YokoZar_> Because there's also this weirdness about someone else also uploading a wine pakcage
[09:59] <YokoZar_> asisak: spamming ifconfig shows very small increases in bytes uploaded... hmm...
[09:59] <TheMuso> YokoZar_: Have you contacted the previous uploader to revu to ask if they are still interested in pushing the package into Ubuntu?
[09:59] <YokoZar_> TheMuso: I just found it
[10:00] <TheMuso> ok
[10:00] <YokoZar_> TheMuso: So, no, not yet.  I suspect it's just updating the version though, not integrating the other fixes I did
[10:00] <YokoZar_> I'm the maintainer on it, so it seems kinda weird I didn't get contacted.
[10:00] <TheMuso> right
[10:02] <ajmitch> YokoZar_: are you *sure* you're uploading to revu? I see no files in the ftp queue
[10:02] <YokoZar_> ajmitch: well it was
[10:02] <YokoZar_> Uploading to revu (via ftp to revu.tauware.de):
[10:02] <YokoZar_>   wine_0.9.44-0ubuntu1-1.dsc: done.
[10:02] <YokoZar_>   wine_0.9.44-0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz:
[10:02] <YokoZar_> That's what dput tells me
[10:03] <YokoZar_> I've cancelled and restarted that twice now
[10:03] <ajmitch> hm, when was that?
[10:03] <YokoZar_> once at about 12:15, and again just now
[10:03] <YokoZar_> Actually that's still up on my terminal
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Hm..... Soyuz seems confused. I just got a binary upload failure, with it complaining that there was a newer binary uploaded already...
[10:04] <YokoZar_> I suspect it's getting confused by Wendell's (identically named) package
[10:04] <ajmitch> no, it shouldn't. revu is usually used with identically named packages
[10:05] <YokoZar_> Even if not archived?
[10:05] <Fujitsu> If they're uploaded concurrently it will get thoroughly confused, but otherwise it must be fine.
[10:05] <YokoZar_> hmmm
[10:05] <Fujitsu> REVU is useless otherwise/
[10:05] <YokoZar_> I just figured his was still in incoming
[10:06] <YokoZar_> or wherever unarchived files are stored
[10:06] <ajmitch> aha, upload queue is moved
[10:06] <ajmitch> this is nearly impossible, working over dial-up
[10:06] <YokoZar_> ajmitch: should I try dput again?
[10:06] <ajmitch> -rw-rw---- 1 revu1 revu 16079137 Aug 31 10:33 wine_0.9.44-0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[10:07] <ajmitch> dput won't work if there are files in the queue
[10:07] <ajmitch> I can remove these if you want, since cancelling an upload is a really bad thing to do
[10:08] <YokoZar_> ok
[10:08] <YokoZar_> so now I try dput again, and leave it be
[10:09] <ajmitch> yes please
[10:09] <YokoZar_> ok now it should be uploading the big file
[10:09] <ajmitch> hopefully you're in the uploaders keyring
[10:09] <YokoZar_> ajmitch: it gave good signature
[10:10] <YokoZar_> ajmitch: it also uploaded the .dsc file successfully
[10:10] <ajmitch> good signature doesn't mean anything from your end, sorry
[10:10] <YokoZar_> oh, confusing
[10:10] <ajmitch> archive verification comes afterwards
[10:10] <YokoZar_> Well, I added myself to the group like a few days ago
[10:10] <ajmitch> you'll get 'good signature' even if you try & upload to debian
[10:10] <YokoZar_> ahh
[10:10] <ajmitch> *hopefully* the keyring has been synced since then
[10:11] <YokoZar_> Supposedly it's croned every night
[10:11] <ajmitch> it was
[10:11] <ajmitch> not sure if it still is since the server move
[10:11] <YokoZar_> Is there anything else I need to do other than let this wait then?
[10:11] <ajmitch> no
[10:11] <YokoZar_> ok
[10:11] <ajmitch> and there should be other revu admins on to help soon, if there are any other problems
[10:11] <YokoZar_> I'll bother you tomorrow if my terminal still says the same thing...16 megs should go in 8 hours ;)
[10:12] <ajmitch> the ftp server said it was uploaded at 45K/sec
[10:12] <ajmitch> so, be prepared to wait :)
[10:13] <YokoZar_> ajmitch: thanks :)
[10:13] <YokoZar_> oh, whoa
[10:13] <YokoZar_> done already
[10:13] <YokoZar_> hmmm
[10:14] <YokoZar_> I don't see it on this page though: http://revu.tauware.de/index.py?archived=false
[10:14] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[10:14] <ajmitch> bye all
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[10:15] <Hobbsee> bye ajmitch
[10:16] <asisak> Hey Hobbsee
[10:17] <ThorstenSick> Bye all and thanks a lot
[10:18] <Hobbsee> hi asisak
[10:20] <norsetto> hello Hobbsee
[10:20] <Hobbsee> hiya norsetto
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Morning Hobbsee.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[10:23] <Hobbsee> 1
[10:25] <Hobbsee> good afternoon, jono
[10:25] <jono> hey Hobbsee
[10:30] <asisak> \sh_away: you might be interested in bug 136306. I am not saying "it is your fault" but you might be able to give a hint how to fix this.
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136306 in bwm "new bwm package not installable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136306
[10:31] <Hobbsee> that's.....a weird bug
[10:32] <asisak> It seems like it tries to overwrite /usr/bin.
[10:33] <norsetto> Hobbsee: if you want, you can give a look at these: bug 131325 (2 acks needed) and/or bug 134552 (1 ack needed)
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134552 in yappy "Please merge yappy (1.8-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134552
[10:33] <Hobbsee> asisak: yeah, but *why*?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> asisak: surely someone would have noticed that in debian before uploading it?
[10:34] <asisak> !info bwm gutsy
[10:34] <ubotu> bwm: BandWidth Monitor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.0-8.1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 92 kB
[10:37] <Hobbsee> asisak: may well be
[10:37] <Hobbsee> norsetto: that would require more sponsoring.
[10:38] <norsetto> Hobbsee: what sponsoring?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> norsetto: well, doing -uvf work
[10:39] <Hobbsee> was there anything of interest in the meeting?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> there was a meeting this morning, no?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> asisak: it was in the topic of #ubuntu-meeting
[10:41] <Hobbsee> although it looks like the emails have not gone around like they usually do
[10:42] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ping
[10:42] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, i suck
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, hi
[10:44] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser!
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, !  (ps, you could fix my backuppc bug *giggles*)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> depends what it is...
[10:45] <norsetto> asisak: looks like a bashism to me:  mkdir -p debian/tmp/DEBIAN/usr/{bin,lib}
[10:45] <asisak> norsetto: dash does that fine for me
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, apply a patch which adds 10 charactgers to the postrm and makes it unintall properlike
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: is it a full debdiff, or just a patch?
[10:46] <norsetto> asisak: is it symlinked to bash?
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, debdiff
[10:46] <Hobbsee> asisak: then your dash is on crack.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: nice!  subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors then
[10:46] <asisak> $ dash
[10:46] <asisak> $  mkdir -p debian/tmp/DEBIAN/usr/{bin,lib}
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, is that a list?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: it's a team in launchpad - see the topic
[10:47] <asisak>  ls -R debian/
[10:47] <asisak> debian/:
[10:47] <asisak> tmp
[10:47] <asisak> debian/tmp:
[10:47] <asisak> DEBIAN
[10:47] <asisak> debian/tmp/DEBIAN:
[10:47] <asisak> usr
[10:47] <asisak> debian/tmp/DEBIAN/usr:
[10:47] <asisak> {bin,lib}
[10:47] <asisak> debian/tmp/DEBIAN/usr/{bin,lib}:
[10:47] <asisak> No crack. This kind of extension is standard IIRC
[10:47] <Hobbsee> it's usually a bashism
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, looking at contributing...
[10:47] <norsetto> asisak: I don't; I remember fixing that already in another rules
[10:48] <asisak> In fact it is in a Makefile
[10:48] <asisak> But that does not count for sure :)
[10:48] <Hobbsee> asisak: oh, so it is.  it's when you do foo{bin,lib} that it dies
[10:48] <Hobbsee> er, wait
[10:50] <Hobbsee> asisak: er, that still doesnt create correctly
[10:50] <Hobbsee> as in, it creates a {bin,lib} directory
[10:50] <asisak> Sure :)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> still weird, though
[10:50] <asisak> In fact I use bash. And bwm bug happens for me (TM)
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i subbed the universe folks
[10:53] <norsetto> asisak: simple test, make a test.sh with mkdir -p /tmp/{bin,lib} and do a sh test; you will see in /tmp the dir {bin,lib}
[10:53] <asisak> Okay. It does not work
[10:53] <asisak> Needs to be fixed.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: cool
[10:53] <asisak> OTOH "it should" work with dash
[10:53] <asisak> s/dash/bash/
[10:54] <norsetto> asisak: yes
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: because lots more people are submitting patches, and i've already dealt in pieces with kmos, so dont feel like sponsoring stuff atm
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, long as its now on the 'todo' list... its all a bit difference since i did this last :(
[10:57] <asisak> Kamping_Kaiser: which package?
[10:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> backuppc
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> bug 84487
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84487 in backuppc "removing deb leaves symlink which causes apache to fail starting" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84487
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> the bugs been hanging around since pre dapper
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/pre//g
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have it in dapper. it exists in gutsy
[11:00] <Hobbsee> and we can get the bugs all by osmosis, when not filed...
[11:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm?
[11:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i filed it when i found it
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yay!
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed.  which wasnt during dapper development, which is what Fujitsu is saying
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Damn, Hilario has vastly surpassed my bug-karma-topness :(
[11:05] <norsetto> asisak: btw, who will explain him that he needs to remove {bin,lib} from /usr/bin/ :-)
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, ah right. cant catch them all
[11:05] <norsetto> asisak:L from /usr .....
[11:05] <asisak> norsetto: I don't know. Trying to fix the issue first.
[11:06] <asisak> But I don't know why to create /usr/bin -- /usr/lib at all
[11:06] <norsetto> asisak: because is in the temp directory .....
[11:06] <asisak> oh, that is DEBIAN/usr/{bin,lib}
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: already bitched.  bug already filed, assigned to mpt.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> The 1.1.8 change? That wasn't what I was talking about, but I filed that first.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> i didnt file it, someone else had
[11:08] <Hobbsee> but whatever ;)
[11:08] <Fujitsu> I was talking about the lack of version fields when filing a bug. As far as I can tell there are no plans to implement that.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Like bug dependencies.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Makes it too complex, AFAIK.
[11:09] <norsetto> asisak: I propose to hang Lenart Janos by his toes for writing such a rules file ;-)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah yes
[11:09] <asisak> norsetto: it has been done by \sh
[11:09] <asisak> \sh_away, even
[11:09] <norsetto> asisak: the original rules not, sh just patched it
[11:10] <asisak> So they are not from the debdiff?
[11:10] <norsetto> asisak: what do you mean? its a rules file, of course will be in the diff.gz
[11:11] <Fujitsu> debdiff != diff.g
[11:11] <Fujitsu> *gz
[11:11] <norsetto> ok, so you mean his patch? I don't know his patch
[11:16] <norsetto> asisak: yes, its coming from his patch
[11:16] <asisak> norsetto: yes. I was almost sure.
[11:16] <asisak> We either wait for him or try to fix this without him.
[11:17] <norsetto> asisak: the original was even worse :-) install -d debian/tmp/{DEBIAN,usr/{bin,lib/menu,share/{doc/$(pkg),man/ma
[11:17] <norsetto> n1}}}
[11:18] <asisak> Sure. The original FTBFS IIRC
[11:18] <ciphergoth> is the current REVU uploaders keyring public?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: it's all the people in one of the LP teams
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ubuntu contributors to universe is the long descriptoin
[11:19] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: synchronized nightly or manually
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: manually
[11:19] <ciphergoth> so I'm just wondering if I can check whether my key's in there without bothering the admins
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: have you already puloaded something?
[11:19] <ciphergoth> no
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: easiest way may well be to upload something, and it'll get rejected if you're not in the keyring
[11:19] <ciphergoth> I've been asked to put RabbitMQ (http://www.rabbitmq.com/) into the archive
[11:19] <ciphergoth> OK
[11:20] <Hobbsee> you are aware that we're into new package freeze?
[11:20] <ciphergoth> oh
[11:20] <ciphergoth> I had somehow imagined that what I was uploading to was some sort of free-for-all and that there was a more stable version which drew from it
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: oh, REVU is, sure, but you likely wont get the package into gutsy at this point
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[11:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !gutsy
[11:21] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:21] <Hobbsee> bah.
[11:21] <ciphergoth> aha
[11:21] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[11:21] <Hobbsee> and so things get cleared off revu every release or so
[11:21] <ciphergoth> arg
[11:21] <ciphergoth> the freeze was yesterday!#
[11:22] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:22] <ciphergoth> what time yesterday?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> midnight?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> or so?
[11:22] <ciphergoth> midnight UTC?  IE over 24 hours ago?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> ~9.5 hours ago
[11:23] <Hobbsee> siretart: whee.  where would you like errors for revu reported to?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> permission denied and such
[11:25] <ciphergoth> From the Wiki, it looks as if we would have to have started the process at least a week ago to get accepted, is that right?
[11:26] <ciphergoth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewPackagesFreezeUniverse
[11:27] <Hobbsee> depends how many people were reviewing, and depends hwo fast you were to get things fixed, but that sounds about right, yes.
[11:31] <Fujitsu> Hum, did LP stop being braindead wrt. portlet {show,hid}ing with 1.1.8?
[11:31] <ciphergoth> *sound of saved bacon*
[11:31] <asisak> Hobbsee: in fact ~24+9.5 hours ago
[11:32] <Hobbsee> asisak: true, but we probably would have accepted things still on the 30th
[11:32] <ciphergoth> asisak: *sound of doubly saved bacon*
[11:32] <asisak> What is this *sound of doubly saved bacon*?
[11:33] <ciphergoth> asisak: my bacon :-) I don't have to explain that as a result of me deciding to finish the process this morning, our package failed to make Gutsy Gibbon and will have to wait six months
[11:34] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: hehe
[11:34] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: yeah, that'd be a bit rotten
[11:37] <ciphergoth> so, hardy heron here we come.  What made you decide against going straight to I to avoid confusion with hedgehog?
[11:37] <Fujitsu> That's Canonical's doing... we only know when the rest of the world knows.
[11:38] <asisak> norsetto: can you help fixing bug 136306? (Only if you have time, etc)
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136306 in bwm "new bwm package not installable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136306
[11:39] <norsetto> asisak: sure
[11:51] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: pong...
[11:52] <ciphergoth> (turns out we're missing Gibbon pretty much on purpose so there's plenty of time for beta people to play with it before it hits a release)
[11:55] <norsetto> asisak: what do you want me to do?
[11:56] <asisak> norsetto: fix the bug if you can. :)
[11:56] <norsetto> asisak: ok
[11:56] <asisak> If you don't want to do that I'll try to fix it later.
[11:56] <asisak> If you can, I'll review & upload.
[12:04] <asisak> Hobbsee: can you please edit topic to reflect that new package freeze happened in the past.
[12:28] <norsetto> asisak: patch ready
[12:29] <asisak> norsetto: as a debdiff or as a patch?
[12:29] <norsetto> asisak: debdiff
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Hm, does gnome-app-install not install Recommends?
[12:29] <asisak> norsetto: I'll check it. Thank you very much
[12:29] <norsetto> asisak: np
[12:31] <norsetto> asisak: I won't subscribe u-u-s then
[12:32] <asisak> norsetto: no need for u-u-s. Patch seems okay for me. Doing a pbuilder build and trying it out, though.
[12:32] <norsetto> asisak: sure, x86_64 or i386?
[12:32] <asisak> x86
[12:32] <asisak> i.e. i386
[12:33] <norsetto> asisak: good, so we check them both
[12:38] <mok0> ScottK: ping
[12:40] <asisak> pbuilder okay
[12:41] <norsetto> asisak: if you have time you may want to check this too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jmagick/+bug/135800
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135800 in jmagick "[remove]  Please remove jmagick from archives" [Undecided,New] 
[12:41] <asisak> norsetto: thanks, uploaded bwm.
[12:42] <norsetto> asisak: yippie :-)
[12:47] <asisak> norsetto: I don't know what I could to  with jmagick.
[12:47] <asisak> apt-cache policy jmagick
[12:47] <asisak> W: Unable to locate package jmagick
[12:48] <Fujitsu> asisak: It's a source package...
[12:48] <Kmos> asisak: try apt-cache showsrc jmagick
[12:49] <asisak> cool, Kmos, thanks
[12:49] <Kmos> asisak: now check for rdepends :) if don't have, it's cool to remove it, if there is a better alternative
[12:50] <Kmos> asisak: you know that, I think
[12:50] <asisak> rdepends is only available for binaries
[12:50] <asisak> but jmagick source does not compile
[12:50] <Kmos> yeah, it's buggy
[12:51] <Kmos> and it's also removed at debian
[12:51] <asisak> I guess it can only be done by archive admins.
[12:51] <Kmos> yeah, but you need to approve it
[12:51] <Kmos> and subscribe U-A
[12:51] <norsetto> Kmos: not yet, it has to be orphaned first, and that can take a long time......
[12:51] <Kmos> http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=jmagick
[12:51] <Kmos> also failed
[12:51] <asisak> norsetto: you mean I should confirm this?
[12:52] <Kmos> asisak: just "ack"
[12:52] <asisak> Can I confirm this? I guess I can, since I am a MOTU. But maybe we need more than one votes.
[12:52] <Fujitsu> If you're not sure if you should confirm it, you shouldn't.
[12:52] <norsetto> asisak: I cannot subscribe the amins, only a MOTU can (if he agrees with my proposal)
[12:52] <asisak> Fujitsu: I am not sure if I can
[12:52] <norsetto> asisak: and, as fujitsu said, you have no obligations, if you don't feel like it, don't
[12:53] <Fujitsu> I'm not OK with removing it at this time.
[12:53] <asisak> Fujitsu: why do you think it should not be removed?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> A suggestion for orphaning in Debian is not a good reason to remove it.
[12:54] <norsetto> fujitsu: thats not the reason, its added for info ....
[12:54] <Fujitsu> It may be adopted and have to go through NEW again after being unblacklisted and other mess.
[12:55] <norsetto> fujitsu: as it is now, that package is a waste of resources; we keep carrying it sine dapper, with no executables. Its purposeless
[12:56] <huats> norsetto: hey, how are you ?
[12:56] <norsetto> huats: hi!
[12:56] <Fujitsu> norsetto: There is always the option of fixing it.
[12:56] <norsetto> fujitsu: what for?
[12:57] <Fujitsu> Hum?
[12:57] <asisak> Can a MOTU-UVF person have a look at bug 133742?
[12:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133742 in brasero "[UVFe]  Please update to 0.6.1" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133742
[12:59] <norsetto> fujitsu: ImageMagick is a dead project
[01:00] <asisak> norsetto: you have been talking about jmagick :)
[01:00] <norsetto> Fujitsu: replaced by graphicsmagick; should we keep carrying garbage for nothing? I don't think so.....
[01:00] <norsetto> asisak: yes, jmagick is the java i/f
[01:00] <norsetto> huats: any news on your bug?
[01:02] <huats> norsetto: I've been away for a short break... so it was impossible to get near a computer without being punch by my girlfriend...
[01:02] <white> huats: and how did you finally manage it? :)
[01:02] <norsetto> huats: yes, but you are back now :-)
[01:02] <white> huats: oh and never trust statements like: "I do not mind, just do your computer stuff, if you want"
[01:02] <kompozer> Hi folks, how I can get a list of all UVFes for Gutsy? And how long does it usually take for these UVFes to be processed?
[01:03] <huats> norsetto: so I'll resume working on it on monday, too many stuff to finish before the WE at work
[01:03] <white> huats: she really means: "If you do that now, i will make you suffer greatly"
[01:03] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Objections to me closing bug 72084 assigned to you? The sync FTBFS, but I fixed it a while back.
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72084 in mol "[Patch]  Build problems" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72084
[01:03] <huats> white: exactly :-)
[01:03] <mok0> norsetto: why do you say ImageMagick is a dead project? Seems pretty alive to me...
[01:04] <huats> norsetto: oh by the way I've found (on the upstream cvs) 2 interesting manpages... so i'll add them to the package..
[01:04] <asisak> It's a kind of magick...
[01:04] <norsetto> mok0: wasn't replaced by graphicsmagick?
[01:05] <mok0> norsetto: It was forked
[01:05] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Go ahead... oops.
[01:05] <mok0> By someone who was frustrated at a rapid changing API
[01:06] <TheMuso> Ok. I might also subscribe myself to bugs for that package.
[01:06] <mok0> http://www.imagemagick.org is up to date, and there is a large and very active community around the suite
[01:06] <Fujitsu> mok0: Are you planning on fixing bug #136218 in the near future?
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136218 in kssh "depend on openssh-client" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136218
[01:06] <norsetto> mok0: yes, you are right
[01:06] <mok0> Fujitsu: Working at it this very minute...
[01:07] <Fujitsu> mok0: Aha. In future, please assign yourself and set it to `In Progress'
[01:07] <mok0> Fujitsu: In fact, I want to ask how to proceed. Do I just upload a debdiff to LP?
[01:07] <Fujitsu> mok0: Upload it and subscribe u-u-s, or point me at it.
[01:07] <mok0> Fujitsu: OK, lemme see... how do I do that...
[01:07] <norsetto> mok0: anyhow, doesn't change my point, that jmagick as is is useless
[01:07] <Fujitsu> norsetto: But it may become unuseless.
[01:08] <mok0> norsetto: ok, I don't know that one
[01:08] <norsetto> fujitsu: and then we bring it back on, where is the problem.
[01:08] <Fujitsu> norsetto: That's not the normal policy we use.
[01:09] <norsetto> fujitsu: the normal policy is that pointless packages should go .....
[01:09] <mok0> Fujitsu: Heh, that was easy...
[01:09] <Fujitsu> Removing a package that is still in Debian implies blacklisting it, which requires manual archive-admin poking and annoyance if we want to get it back.
[01:09] <norsetto> fujitsu: and not hope that my (j)magick they become usable again....
[01:09] <norsetto> s/my/by
[01:10] <mok0> Fujitsu: u-u-s?
[01:10] <Fujitsu> If the package is dead upstream and has no chance whatsoever of being fixed, is deprecated, or whatever, then we might consider it.
[01:10] <norsetto> fujitsu: so is more work to remove than to keep?
[01:10] <Fujitsu> mok0: ubuntu-universe-sponsors... but I'll look at it myself.
[01:10] <kompozer> How I can get a list of all UVFes for Gutsy? And how long does it usually take for these UVFes to be processed?
[01:10] <Fujitsu> norsetto: Of course.
[01:10] <mok0> Fujitsu: will be another 5 minutes
[01:10] <Fujitsu> mok0: Great :)
[01:11] <norsetto> fujitsu: well, fell free to reject the bug then, I'm certainly trying to make less work, not more
[01:12] <Fujitsu> norsetto: We can not touch it and hope that Debian fixes or removes it, either of which will automatically result in the appropriate action in Ubuntu.
[01:13] <Fujitsu> One of those two will happen eventually, and it's not causing us horrible problems rotting at the moment.
[01:13] <norsetto> fujitsu: thats what I mean, if we are happy to carry useless junk and is more trouble than is worth it to remove it, lets just keep it
[01:23] <kompozer> How I can get a list of all UVFes for Gutsy? And how long does it usually take for these UVFes to be processed?
[01:25] <mok0> Fujitsu: Uploaded debdiff for Bug #136218
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136218 in kssh "depend on openssh-client" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136218
[01:25] <YokoZar_> Fujitsu: This wasn't the case in the past.  There are quite a few packages removed from Ubuntu that are still rotting in Debian.  winesetuptk, for instance.
[01:26] <DktrKranz> kompozer, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~motu-uvf/
[01:27] <mok0> Fujitsu: I also subscribe u-u-s (just to try it ;-))
[01:27] <Fujitsu> mok0: OK, looking.
[01:28] <DktrKranz> kompozer, for what concerns timing, it depends on the complexity of the changes included in the new upstream version and the rationale you provide to sponsor that exception
[01:29] <kompozer> DktrKranz: thanks. I notice my project (bug 136210) isn't listed there, probably because it hasn't been related to the UVF Team? Or is it because no 'kompozer' project is registrated?
[01:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136210 in kompozer "UVFe request: kompozer" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136210
[01:29] <Fujitsu> mok0: You debdiffed the wrong way, and that changelog entry is suboptimal. Want me to fix it rather than you redoing it?
[01:30] <DktrKranz> kompozer, your exception has been confirmed. if you look, ubuntu-archive is subscribed to that bug
[01:30] <mok0> Fujitsu: You might as well. But why is the changelog "suboptimal"?
[01:30] <DktrKranz> this means your package will be present in gutsy :)
[01:31] <norsetto> kompozer: congrats :-)
[01:31] <Fujitsu> mok0: I'd write it like so: '* make kssh depend on openssh-client | ssh-client, as it needs to execvp the ssh binary. (LP: #136218)'
[01:31] <Fujitsu> The LP: #XXXXX syntax is what triggers the bug closing.
[01:32] <mok0> Fujitsu: Yes, sounds more professional
[01:33] <mok0> Fujitsu: I was wondering whether there was a specific syntax for that... :-/
[01:33] <kompozer> DktrKranz: where should I see that ubuntu-archive is subscribed to that bug?
[01:33] <Fujitsu> kompozer: The portlet on the left-hand side... it's probably hidden, so click on the `Subscribers' bit.
[01:33] <DktrKranz> kompozer, look at the left, under "Subscribers"
[01:33] <jrib> once a package is approved on revu and 2 motu's approve and upload it, how long does it usually take for it to land in gutsy repos?
[01:33] <DktrKranz> jrib, it depends on the lenght of the NEW queue
[01:33] <kompozer> DktrKranz: doh!
[01:34] <\sh> I do think, that now is NPF (New Package Freeze) and it won't even make it for gutsy
[01:34] <\sh> but I could be wrong and misinterpretated the mail from this morning on -devel
[01:35] <Fujitsu> If it has been uploaded pre-NPF, it's OK.
[01:35] <DktrKranz> \sh, are you referring to the one which asked for new packages being uploaded before NPF?
[01:35] <DktrKranz> ah, glad you're back :)
[01:35] <\sh> DktrKranz, jepp...but
[01:36] <\sh> DktrKranz, but we are now after NPF :)
[01:36] <\sh> DktrKranz, well, not actually...I'm just fixing some bugs ,-)
[01:36] <DktrKranz> well, glad to see you around, then ;D
[01:37] <\sh> DktrKranz, good that you are here...I'm just inventory ;)
[01:37] <jrib> DktrKranz: thanks, I see it in the queue
[01:37] <DktrKranz> jrib, which package are you referring to?
[01:37] <\sh> grmpf...I hate wrong selfcompiled mysql packages
[01:38] <jrib> DktrKranz: reverend
[01:39] <DktrKranz> jrib, i see it in bug 136207
[01:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136207 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception for packages uploaded before the freeze" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136207
[01:39] <DktrKranz> so it will probably be in gutsy, unless a specific reason for reject it arises
[01:39] <jrib> DktrKranz: ah ok
[01:47] <Amaranth> RAOF: i'm wondering if people with cards that need nvidia-glx-new actually work
[01:47] <Amaranth> RAOF: looks like we once again don't have nvidia's libwfb.so installed
[01:52] <Hobbsee> asisak: topic is open, you can edit as you wish...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> we're not +t
[01:53] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: reping, as i suspect the last one timed out
[01:53] <asisak> Oh, I have not seen that. Thanks Hobbsee
[01:54] <Hobbsee> asisak: if you filed the removal bug, you dont need to approve it.  only non-MOTU's need a motu approval for removals
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Kmos: please dont give out bad information.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> x2, today
[01:54] <asisak> Hobbsee: thanks. So 2 MOTUs for new, 1 for updates and 1 for removal
[01:57] <Hobbsee> jrib: NEW queue is not FIFO
[01:57] <pkern> Is it sufficient to put a sync request into Launchpad and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to sync in a new Debian revision (one-line change, no new upstream version) at this point of freeze?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> but, sometime
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ask
[01:57] <Hobbsee> asisak: yes
[01:58] <Hobbsee> asisak: but dont hesitate to ask another MOTU, etc
[01:58] <Hobbsee> pkern: yes
[01:58] <zul> morning
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[01:59] <pkern> Hobbsee: The packages are currently propagating to main (net6, obby) as soon as libxml++2.6 is promoted (inclusion request accepted). It's still the task of universe-sponsors currently, right?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> asisak: brasero looks fine, did you want to upload it?
[01:59] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[01:59] <Hobbsee> pkern: only while it's in universe, obviously.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> pkern: it depends which component the source package is in now
[01:59] <asisak> Hobbsee: mr_pouit filed the request. He is core-dev IIRC.
[01:59] <asisak> Hobbsee: but I can upload that as well...
[01:59] <asisak> But I would better wait
[01:59] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit is not a core dev, he's a MOTU i think
[02:00] <mok0> I'm getting this error message from gpg, what causes it? (gpg: can't lock `/u/mok/.gnupg/random_seed': No locks available)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> asisak: either.  i doubt it matters
[02:00] <asisak> !info brasero gutsy
[02:00] <ubotu> brasero: CD/DVD burning application for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1046 kB, installed size 3232 kB
[02:00] <asisak> Does not matter.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Hm, uploading something with a pending MIR is a little evil, I think.
[02:00] <pkern> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> asisak: well, i think.  i'm finding it hard to keep up with people on different components, who dont tend to come into -motu or -devel
[02:03] <mok0> Fujitsu: New debdiff uploaded to LP
[02:03] <Fujitsu> mok0: Looking.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> mok0: Looks good, I'll test and upload.
[02:04] <asisak> Hobbsee: I checked it. OTOH /me tends to ask universe things here and main thing in -devel. -bugs and -desktop always have a little confusion
[02:05] <Hobbsee> asisak: ah, OK, so i'm wrong :)
[02:05] <asisak> No, I am wrong :)
[02:07] <PriceChild> Hey, I somehow managed to get gizmod3.3 into Gutsy a while back... I'm confused at all these freezes, but when's the last point I'd be able to get 3.4 done... or has that point passed?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: was a couple of weeks ago, seeing as it's a new upstream version, and already in ubuntu
[02:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: feature freeze for universe is irrelevant, btw
[02:08] <PriceChild> Ok thought so, thanks :)
[02:08] <PriceChild> eek stop confusing me :)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you can get exceptions, etc, for it, if necessary, though
[02:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: all you have to care about is UVF and NPF.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> oh, and the final freeze
[02:08] <mok0> Is there a new NEW queue for hardy?
[02:08] <PriceChild> and if exception doesn't get granted as its not very important, I could do it for hardy then request backport?
[02:08] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: pong
[02:08] <asisak> mok0: No hardy repositories yet.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> mok0: all the old stuff will get processed (filed before freeze), or discarded (filed after freeze, without an exception)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> mok0: ie, i wouldnt upload new programs for hardy at this point - new toolchain for hardy
[02:09] <asisak> I guess they will first be opened after the gutsy release. I might be wrong
[02:09] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: the meeting announcements that you're doing - are you CC'ing fridge?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> asisak: after the "freeze, and accepting toolchain bits", yes
[02:10] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: No. What list/address do I need to CC?
[02:11] <TheMuso> I'll do it from now on. I was going to send reminders on Sunday, but I'll do them now, if it means getting the fridge updated appropriately.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: gotcha, thanks for the heads up.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no problem.  someone mentioned that the meetings werent showing up on the fridge, which i thought was odd :P
[02:16] <Hobbsee> do i want to know how bad u-u-s is getting?
[02:18] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I haven't looked for ages, so I'm sure I'll get a shock also.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:19] <Hobbsee> no point shoving it away, just to go and upload it from u-u-s queue
[02:20] <Hobbsee> besides, people like _MMA_ will whine if things dont get uploaded quickly
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hiya _MMA_, who does not understand the concept of limited time.
[02:21] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: But when I'm around, things can usually get done quickly. :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: rock on.  get to it, then :)
[02:22] <_MMA_> I surely understand the concept. I feel people need to know their limits and not take on so much.
[02:22] <asisak> Just say if you need some help with the u-u-s queue. I guess I can help in that
[02:22] <Hobbsee> SteveA: did you want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-salut/+bug/134623 again?
[02:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:22] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: THis is why I spend so much time on UbuntuStudio. :p
[02:22] <Hobbsee> asisak: go for it.  if you're sure the stuff is sane
[02:22] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heh
[02:24] <deadwill> mornin' all!
[02:24] <deadwill> o/
[02:26] <asisak> mornin' deadwill
[02:26] <deadwill> hey asisak
[02:27] <erable> Hi,
[02:27] <deadwill> asisak, :)
[02:28] <fernando> hi all
[02:28] <deadwill> hey fernando
[02:29] <deadwill> asisak, i am thinking in drop gcj from it
[02:29] <erable> It's so late to include packages in gutsy ?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> erable: yes.
[02:29] <jussi01> erable: yep
[02:29] <jussi01> gah
[02:29] <fernando> hey deadwill
[02:31] <asisak> zul: to your comment on bug 135814. I would prefer to use new orig.tar.gz-s instead of patches. But I also understand that deadlines are deadlines. I can promise that I won't make any new upstream cheese packages for gutsy.
[02:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135814 in cheese "Yet another UVF for 0.2.3" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135814
[02:32] <asisak> (Not that I would have been filed this)
[02:32] <erable> thanks, I'll propose it after Gutsy :)
[02:33] <norsetto> hey wow, I got an email from THE MAN himself
[02:33] <mok0> Are packages new in gutsy backported to feisty?
[02:33] <zul> asisak: ok you owe me a beer if you do though :)
[02:34] <jussi01> hehe, I just got an email from mark...
[02:34] <jussi01> norsetto: lol
[02:34] <norsetto> jussi01: :-)
[02:34] <asisak> zul: The one who files one next time owes us both some beers :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> mok0: not automatically, where would the point be?
[02:35] <jussi01> asisak: I have a feeling its exactly the same as norsetto's
[02:35] <jussi01> ...
[02:35] <norsetto> we won't tell you :-P
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hiya cprov, what are you doing here?
[02:36] <asisak> norsetto: Mark asks you kindly to leave the project and not ruin anything any more? :D
[02:36] <norsetto> cprovoking us I guess
[02:36] <jussi01> lol
[02:37] <norsetto> asisak: no way, I've got promoted (same salary as before though :-()
[02:37] <jussi01> asisak: no, thats what he writes to you...
[02:37] <jussi01> :P
[02:37] <asisak> norsetto: are you working for Canonical?
[02:37] <jussi01> norsetto: I assume it was the ppa email?
[02:37] <norsetto> :-X
[02:38] <norsetto> jussi01: of course :-)
[02:38] <jussi01> :P
[02:41] <jussi01> hmmm, can you grab source from ppa's?
[02:41] <DarkSun88> Hi
[02:41] <jussi01> hi DarkSun88
[02:43] <norsetto> hi darkie
[02:43] <Hobbsee> jussi01: of course
[02:43] <Hobbsee> jussi01: deb-src instead of deb lines, etc
[02:43] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I thought so. just had to check
[02:44] <jussi01> :)
[02:48] <StevenK> asisak: Congrats
[02:48] <asisak> Thanks StevenK :)
[02:49] <asisak> StevenK: does your rubber stamp apply to bug 134623 now?
[02:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134623
[02:53] <Hobbsee> asisak: reverse karma == helping out with bits of the u-u-s queue that you're comfortable with
[02:54] <Hobbsee> kde bug 139722
[02:54] <ubotu> KDE bug 139722 in Mediabrowser "Transferring music files named with non-ascii characters to generic media devices fails" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139722
[02:55] <asisak> Hobbsee: what do you mean by reverse?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> asisak: as in, creating bad karma by adding things to the motu-uvf queue, and you can reverse/revert that by fixing another queue
[02:56] <asisak> Oh I see ..
[02:56] <Hobbsee> debian bug 147126
[02:56] <ubotu> Debian bug 147126 in reportbug "reportbug depends on python2.2 not of standard priority" [Serious,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/147126
[02:56] <Hobbsee> kde bug 147126
[02:56] <ubotu> KDE bug 147126 in general "amarok freezes when trying to play mp3 files without mp3 support" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147126
[02:57] <Fujitsu> Yeah, submitting things to motu-uvf is unforgivable :P
[02:57] <asisak> Fujitsu: you are not a MOTU-UVF member, are you?
[02:57] <Fujitsu> I am not.
[02:57] <Fujitsu> Nooowhere near godly enough for that.
[02:59] <zul> godly? ok
[03:00] <jwendell> Hi, Hobbsee
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hi jwendell
[03:01] <jwendell> Hobbsee, could you setup my revu password?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> can i do so in a min?
[03:03] <jwendell> Hobbsee, sure ;)
[03:17] <Baby> does Marco Rodrigues connect to irc?
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Baby: Kmos.
[03:18] <asisak> Hobbsee: actually almost all packages in the queue have an assignee
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Baby: yes, he's Kmos
[03:21] <asisak> Bug 131947 seems to have a debdiff that makes 0.2 --> 0.3 upgrade. Is it "legal" not to use a new orig.tar.gz?
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131947 in vim-rails "vim-rails doesn't work with vim-addon-manager" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131947
[03:22] <Fujitsu> asisak: Ew...
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Ah, it's native.
[03:22] <Fujitsu> I see.
[03:23] <Fujitsu> The correct versioning is 0.2ubuntu1, then.
[03:23] <Baby> Kmos: ping!
[03:28] <astronouth7303> has anyone else had problems with uinput?
[03:28] <astronouth7303> I can't write to /dev/input/uinput
[03:29] <Kmos> Baby: hey
[03:30] <Kmos> Baby: i see your mail now :)
[03:34] <jwendell> asisak, could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=181 ?
[03:34] <asisak> Sorry, jwendell, I have to go soon.
[03:35] <jwendell> asisak, okay ;)
[03:35] <asisak> Do you intend to file an exception for that,
[03:35] <asisak> , -> ?
[03:41] <fernando> ppa is cool =)
[03:53] <jwendell> asisak, did you ask me?
[03:53] <asisak> jwendell: sure
[03:55] <jwendell> asisak, this package (gtk-vnc) was uploaded in the start of week
[04:00] <asisak> See you later! Bye!
[04:08] <moquist> i just changed my package and I want to test it without debconf remembering previous installation answers. How can I make debconf forget what I said during the previous half-finished installation?
[04:09] <geser> debconf has it's own database
[04:09] <geser> try purging the pacakge
[04:10] <StevenK> You can use debconf-communicate to do it, but you need to be able to speak debconf-age
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:57] <deadwill> hey bddebian
[05:00] <bddebian> Hi deadwill
[05:04] <bddebian> noooo :-)
[05:04] <bddebian> Actually I should be able to "borrow" a laptop from work today to put Gutsy on and do some actual testing finally :-)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> what, you're *still* not running gutsy?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> no wonder you have motivation problems, then!
[05:05] <bddebian> Not on my "normal" ubuntu laptop.  It's so clogged with crap I was afraid I wouldn't get any good testing in. :-)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:07] <Hobbsee> reformat
[05:07] <bddebian> I know, I know.. I was just missing for so long, I'm soo far behind :(
[05:09] <\sh> moins barry :)
[05:09] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how ya been?
[05:10] <\sh> fine fine..just too much of work
[05:10] <\sh> too much of rpm packaging for work...just catching up with debian packages again ;)
[05:11] <bddebian> Heh
[05:12] <ScottK> \sh: Would you be up for reviewing a proposed WINE package on REVU?
[05:13] <\sh> ScottK, I'm busy right now with deploying some stress tests on servers...when I'm home I can do it...
[05:13] <bddebian> Aren't we past all deadlines at this point? :-)
[05:13] <\sh> ScottK, where is the new wine maintainer for ubuntu ? ,-)
[05:13] <ScottK> \sh: He's the one that uploaded it, but I appreciate your experience.
[05:14] <ScottK> bddebian: There are always exceptions that can be asked for.
[05:14] <ScottK> \sh: That would be great if you could have a look.
[05:14] <\sh> ScottK, k...I'll have a look around 18 or 20 UTC...depends when I'm finished here and coming back home
[05:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:16] <\sh> hmmm
[05:16] <\sh> scp file.sh\ root@$i ???wth
[05:16] <\sh> since when is bash completion doing this?
[05:17] <Fujitsu> \sh: You mean completion over ssh? It has done that for a while.
[05:17] <\sh> Fujitsu, yeah
[05:17] <\sh> it looks all the time that my script has a hidden whitespace at the end ,-)
[05:19] <ScottK> Of course it wasn't empty...  Time to file an LP bug.
[05:24] <ScottK> Someone else beat me to reporting that one.  Oh well.
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[05:30] <mdomsch> anyone interested in reviewing DKMS for inclusion? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/121676
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121676 in ubuntu "add DKMS to Ubuntu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[05:30] <Fujitsu> Night all.
[05:30] <ScottK> Good night Fujitsu
[05:30] <Fujitsu> mdomsch: You're a bit late.
[05:31] <Fujitsu> Night ScottK.
[05:32] <mdomsch> Fujitsu, how so?
[05:33] <ScottK> mdomsch: New Package Freeze for Gutsy was yesterday.
[05:34] <mdomsch> arrggh
[05:34] <mdomsch> story of my life
[05:36] <ScottK> mdomsch: There are exception processes.
[05:36] <mdomsch> ScottK, indeed, may have to pursue those
[05:37] <mdomsch> fwiw, DKMS is necessary for Dell shipping Ubuntu on newest hardware
[05:37] <mdomsch> that's my justification
[05:37] <ScottK> If you can find a developer who agrees to babysit this package, I'd be open to approving an exception.
[05:37] <mdomsch> I'm in touch with rtg and BenC about it
[05:38] <ScottK> OK.
[05:40] <ScottK> My advice then would be to file the bug for the exception and then get one of them to comment on the bug.
[05:40] <ScottK> !revu | mdomsch
[05:40] <ubotu> mdomsch: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:40] <ScottK> This is where you would want to upload it to get it looked at after you have an exception.
[05:40] <ScottK> Some may got to your repo to look at it, but more people look at REVU.
[05:42] <mdomsch> ScottK, fair enough, will do
[05:42] <ScottK> OK.
[05:43] <mdomsch> do I file a new bug for the exception, or do I tag the existing bug in some wah?
[05:43] <mdomsch> way
[05:43] <ScottK> You could modify the existing bug.
[05:44] <ScottK> Once you feel like you've got a decent justification for a new package freeze exception (and an ack from one of the devs you've been working with), subscribe motu-uvf to the bug.
[05:50] <mdomsch> ScottK, can you please resync the revu uploaders keyring?
[05:50] <ScottK> No, actually I can't.  Hobbsee can do it maybe.
[05:50] <mdomsch> no worries, I can wait until tomorrow too if need be
[05:52] <fernando> how to fix this:  extra-license-file usr/share/doc/vinagre/COPYING.gz
[05:53] <ScottK> mdomsch: OK.  There is a nightly cron job.  siretart might be up for syncing it too.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ScottK: there isnt anymore
[05:56] <ScottK> Oh
[05:56] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Can you resync it then?
[05:56] <ScottK> Err
[05:56] <ScottK> Would you?  I know you can.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> doing that now
[05:57] <Hobbsee> it'll take >1hr
[05:57] <ScottK> mdomsch: ^^ Great.  Thanks.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ScottK: wait, no, i'ts broken.
[05:57] <mdomsch> danke Hobbsee
[05:59] <ScottK> Yeah for non-broken commands.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> there we are...
[06:01] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:07] <moquist> geser, ScottK: thanks
[06:07] <ScottK> moquist: What did I do now?
[06:08] <moquist> the debconf-communicate tip
[06:08] <ScottK> Ah.  That was StevenK, not ScottK.  Watch your tab completion.
[06:08] <moquist> ScottK: thanks
[06:08] <moquist> StevenK: thanks
[06:09] <ScottK> No problem.
[06:09] <moquist> :)
[06:09] <ScottK> I used to it by now.
[06:09] <ScottK> I/I'm
[06:09] <moquist> My real problem is this: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: Exec format error
[06:57] <geser> ScottK: any plan to sync a more recent clamav-data package to gutsy?
[06:58] <ScottK> geser: We have the most current upstream version already.  Not sure what you mean.
[06:58] <ScottK> clamav-data is part of the clamav tarball.
[06:58] <geser> !info clamav-data gutsy
[06:58] <ubotu> clamav-data: clamav data files. In component universe, is optional. Version 20070531.101600.3335 (gutsy), package size 9717 kB, installed size 9824 kB
[06:59] <ScottK> Hmmm
[07:01] <geser> I know it will be horribly outdated on the release date but we should either keep it updated as best as possible or drop it
[07:01] <geser> there was a new clamav-data uploaded to unstable today
[07:01] <ScottK> geser: I agree.  I didn't even realize we had that.
[07:01] <ScottK> I'd be inclined to approve a UVFe if you want to do it, but I hadn't planned on it.
[07:02] <geser> ok, will file one
[07:06] <geser> ScottK: does it makes sense to create diffstat output for it?
[07:06] <bddebian> Heya geser
[07:06] <ScottK> geser: I would say not, but then you need two motu-uvf to approve, so why not just do it....
[07:08] <geser> Hi bddebian
[07:19] <geser> ScottK: bug #136436
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136436 in clamav-data "[UVFe] [Sync request]  Sync clamav-data (20070830.234900.4110) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136436
[07:20] <ScottK> Already acked.
[08:08] <moquist> Should postinst scripts redirect stdout and/or stderr to avoid printing stuff like "Adding new user..." and 'Not creating home directory '/nonexistent', and 'CREATE ROLE/CREATE DATABASE'?
[08:11] <ScottK> Why would you want to avoid that?
[08:13] <davromaniak> anybody of the Ubuntu Community Council here ??
[08:17] <bddebian> Stupid Debian bugs showing on LP. That always throws me off
[08:19] <bddebian> heh
[08:21] <davromaniak> bddebian, do you know who is in the Ubuntu CC ?
[08:21] <bddebian> Not anymore, sorry
[08:21] <bddebian> I imagine it's listed on the wiki or LP though, no?
[08:21] <azeem> definetely on LP
[08:21] <davromaniak> ok, because I can't be at the meeting monday, and I presented myself to the vote to become Ubuntu Member
[08:21] <davromaniak> ok azeem
[09:00] <bddebian> What are all of these Xb-Npp-xxx tags bugs for UUS ?
[09:02] <bddebian> Merging new revisions from Debian is OK so long as it's not a new version correct ?
[09:04] <norsetto> bddebian: yes, same tarball is ok
[09:04] <bddebian> Actually it's a damn sync not a merge.  Can we request syncs?
[09:04] <norsetto> bddebian: yes, again with same proviso
[09:05] <norsetto> bddebian: btw, you can file an UVFe too if tarball is not the same and is justified, the freeze is only for NEW packages
[09:05] <ScottK> And we'll do exceptions for those too.
[09:07] <norsetto> ScottK: ScottK is an exceptional man :-)
[09:08] <norsetto> anyone feel like working on 10.000 C/GTK+/libsilc lines of code ?
[09:11] <zul> norsetto: not really
[09:11] <bddebian> norsetto: That much I knew, thanks :-)
[09:15] <norsetto> ScottK: well, if you put it that way you may look at bug 131325 .....
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[09:17] <norsetto> ScottK: and perhaps convince zul to do the same .....
[09:19] <bddebian> and mergeant and and and... :-)
[09:19] <norsetto> bddebian: sorry, not understand, not speak very good
[09:20] <bddebian> I mean there are a lot of outdated packages
[09:21] <norsetto> bddebian: me not outdated, just not youngish
[09:22] <\sh> ScottK, you told me to have a look over wine on revu....I see the upload comes from scott ritchie
[09:23] <\sh> ScottK, regarding wine, I trust him from my heart...he's the maintainer of the package ubuntu uses since a long time...he's trustworthy :)
[09:24] <ScottK> OK.
[09:25] <ScottK> Thanks for looking.
[09:25] <\sh> ScottK, Scott Ritchie is the wine guy, he's the maintainer of the winehq packages we used since breezy I think
[09:26] <\sh> ScottK, I wanted that he'd to become a MOTU , but dholbach was not my opinion...for wine, he's the best choice Ubuntu has
[09:26] <\sh> .oO(I think it was dholbach who said something against this idea...need to check my inbox)
[09:28] <bddebian> Damn, where has persia been?
[09:31] <jussi01> persia is caught up with $reallife
[09:31] <bddebian> :-(  I know that feeling
[09:32] <davromaniak> the only ubuntu CC member online is our sabdfl
[09:32] <davromaniak> I think I will wait tomorrow
[09:32] <\sh> davromaniak, I think our sabdfl has more important things to do..I mean it's friday evening...19 UTC... it's party time or time for doing real money business
[09:33] <davromaniak> yes
[09:33] <davromaniak> and I don't want to angry him
[09:33] <\sh> is christer edwards on irc?
[09:35] <davromaniak> why ?
[09:35] <norsetto> bddebian: do you mind me doing wmtop?
[09:36] <\sh> I have a colleague, who ran a tor-server in germany...he's just waiting for a court trial
[09:36] <davromaniak> ok
[09:36] <bddebian> norsetto: Of course not, have at it :-)
[09:36] <norsetto> bddebian: thx
[09:36] <\sh> so, regarding tor, it's not legal and sometimes really not secure if you are starting up with logfiles
[09:37] <\sh> "it's not legal" == "not legal in all countries of the world"
[09:38] <davromaniak> ok
[09:39] <jussi01> speaking of legalities, what are the legalities of msttcorfonts?
[09:39] <jussi01> ie. can a business use them no problems?
[09:40] <ScottK> jussi01: Read the license file.
[09:41] <jussi01> ScottK: I had a quick browse, but im stupid..... ;)
[09:41] <jussi01> and I want confirmation.... ;)
[09:41] <JanC> jussi01: it's legal, as long as they install them from the official archives provided by Microsoft
[09:41] <JanC> which is what the Ubuntu/Debian package does (download and unpack those archives)
[09:42] <jussi01> JanC: ok, thanks, so an install from our reps is all good?
[09:42] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:42] <jussi01> ok, great!
[09:42] <jussi01>  :)
[09:42] <JanC> but they can't copy the font files separately to another system
[09:43] <jussi01> JanC: thats fine, I just need them for my use at work...
[09:43] <jussi01> :D
[09:43] <davromaniak> I got a job, and my co-workers are geek as Paris Hilton is smart and intelligent, :(
[09:43] <jussi01> lol
[09:44] <jussi01> nice
[09:44] <davromaniak> and I'm in the sysadmin service of the second french hosting company
[09:45] <JanC> Paris Hilton isn't smart and intelligent?  8-O
[09:45] <davromaniak> sometimes, the customers are better sysadmin than my co-workers
[09:45] <JanC> lol
[09:46] <jussi01> lol
[09:46] <davromaniak> everytime I send a funny link like http://www.xkcd.com/309/ I have better to hide
[09:46] <JanC> well, I once (6-7 years ago) had to explain to someone of the Belgacom business internet support help desk what an MX record was  :-/
[09:47] <davromaniak> JanC, I had to explain what a Domain Name Server is to the chief of my service
[09:48] <JanC> cool
[09:49] <davromaniak> I thought about killing myself, or quit this job, but I made the monitoring system, and without me, they can't use nagios and oreon
[09:49] <JanC> sounds great
[09:49] <davromaniak> when you administrate 1500 servers, monitoring system is critical
[09:49] <JanC> how did they become the second French hosting company?
[09:50] <davromaniak> I don't know
[09:50] <JanC> do you mean 1500 for the company or for you ?
[09:51] <davromaniak> for example, we host manpower.fr, and it's the only customer to have 6 digits in the total monthly price (+ 2 digits for the cents)
[09:51] <davromaniak> JanC, ecritel has about 1500 servers, so it's 1500 servers for a service of 6 persons
[09:51] <JanC> lol, the ecritel.net front page looks really unprofessional when viewed with JavaScript disabled  :-P
[09:52] <davromaniak> JanC, it's not the worst thing
[09:52] <JanC> 1500 doesn't sound like that much to me
[09:52] <jussi01> JanC: that xkcd link is very cool...lol
[09:52] <davromaniak> 1500 is the known number, but ecritel buys others hosting company like speedy gonzalez runs
[09:53] <JanC> ah, they have lots of money from other business then ?
[09:54] <davromaniak> in the last 6 month, ecritel bought 2 companies, and we still not had enough time to count it
[09:54] <davromaniak> and all the intranet pages looks shitty with firefox, but looks perfect with IE, :(
[09:57] <davromaniak> 3 days ago, one of my co-workers tried to delete a monitored service from oreon, he deleted 150 hosts, :(, 4 hours of work to repair it, and an irrestible vengence or murder envy
[09:58] <davromaniak> from this problem, only my home and office IPs are allowed to connect to it
[10:03] <norsetto> ScottK: thanks for looking at bug 131325
[10:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[10:04] <ScottK> NP
[10:09] <xtknight> _MMA_, are you around?
[10:10] <_MMA_> Yep
[10:10] <xtknight> _MMA_, sadly i'm unable to get align_image_stack to compile with the old hugin, so i may have to use the new one which won't include zhang_undistort.  is this acceptable?
[10:11] <xtknight> i haven't received a response from the list yet about zhang_undistort that doesn't compile, but the new hugin will still be needed w/e the case, probably
[10:11] <xtknight> because the align_image_stack needs the new headers of the svn
[10:11] <xtknight> or maybe align_image_stack could be "statically linked" somehow?
[10:12] <xtknight> maybe hugin-svn could be a separate package from hugin?
[10:12] <xtknight> what do you think?
[10:12] <_MMA_> xtknight: Without knowing the impact I honestly feel it shouldnt be done. If you can say with all certainty that it wont impact the normal usage of Hugin then Im fine.
[10:13] <_MMA_> "hugin-svn" sounds fine. Then have your app (I forgot) depend on that.
[10:13] <xtknight> great
[10:13] <_MMA_> If that can be done.
[10:14] <xtknight> i don't know.. is it too late for new packages?  I got a UVFe approved for this but does UVFe mean this is fine?
[10:14] <_MMA_> Or is acceptable to the admins.
[10:15] <_MMA_> xtknight: Im not the most knowlegable person for that. :(
[10:15] <xtknight> ah k
[10:15] <xtknight> no problem.  well i hope this solution will work (new pkg of hugin-svn)
[10:15] <xtknight> not entirely sure the hugin svn doesn't break things, because, well, it's an svn
[10:15] <_MMA_> Sure.
[10:17] <ScottK> xtknight: What bug #
[10:17] <xtknight> ScottK, Bug 135111
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135111 in hugin "[UVFe]  hugin svn needs packaged for qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135111
[10:18] <ScottK> That means it can be uploaded.  No guarantees the archive admins will have time to NEW it.
[10:18] <xtknight> no guarantee that it will be in the repositories?  would i have to file something else for a new pkg?
[10:19] <ScottK> No.  That's it.  Just the archive admins have other stuff to do, so no guarantee they'll have time.
[10:19] <xtknight> ahh ok
[10:20] <xtknight> well if hugin and hugin-svn would have to Conflict with each other, then i guess installing Qtpfsgui (requiring hugin-svn) would be impossible alongside apps that require simply "hugin".  not sure of the best way to resolve this.  it would be nice if both could be installed at the same time to different directories
[10:22] <_MMA_> xtknight: Well you could set Qtpfsgui to conflict with "hugin".
[10:22] <_MMA_> So wouldnt let then both be installed but should reduce issues.
[10:22] <_MMA_> *them
[10:22] <xtknight> hmm
[10:23] <xtknight> _MMA_, so Qtpfsgui Conflicts with hugin, but hugin does not conflict with hugin-svn?
[10:23] <xtknight> trying to get a grasp on this
[10:24] <_MMA_> You would also have to set "hugin-svn" to conflict with "hugin".
[10:25] <xtknight> _MMA_, maybe i could simply provide align_image_stack alone in a separate package and avoid all issues?
[10:25] <xtknight> not sure how this would work though.  orig.tar.gz with the svn version, and .diff removing everything except align_image_stack?  would that be acceptable?
[10:25] <_MMA_> xtknight: That Im unsre of. I would also thing yo uwhould have to set simular conflicts.
[10:25] <_MMA_> *you would
[10:26] <_MMA_> And Im not a packing guru either. I just know a little. :)
[10:26] <xtknight> actually i dont think align_image_stack needs any libs.  it seems to be statically linked.
[10:26] <xtknight> well it does need libc ,etc
[10:26] <xtknight> some generic ones, nothing specific
[10:31] <xtknight> _MMA_, if all else fails would you mind testing for regressions?
[10:31] <_MMA_> xtknight: After the fact?
[10:32] <xtknight> _MMA_, i would provide you with a hugin svn deb before we upload it
[10:32] <_MMA_> Ill test any packages you send me.
[10:32] <_MMA_> Sure.
[10:32] <xtknight> ok
[10:32] <xtknight> that would be a giant help
[10:32] <xtknight> because this is a big mess
[10:39] <cbx33> hey guys
[10:39] <cbx33> what is the format for pot files
[10:40] <cbx33>  12 		 #: C/packagingguide-C.omf:6(creator)
[10:40] <cbx33> 13 		msgid "ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Documentation Project)"
[10:40] <cbx33> 14 		msgstr ""
[10:40] <cbx33>  44 		 #: C/updating.xml:26(para)
[10:40] <cbx33> 45 		msgid "To patch the program's source code, you could simply download the current &ubuntu; source package (with <application>apt-get source</application>) and make the needed changes. You can then add a new entry to the <filename>debian/changelog</filename> using <application>dch -i</application> or <application>dch -v &lt;version&gt;-&lt;revision&gt;</application> to specify the new revision. When you run <application>debuild -S</application>
[10:40] <cbx33> from the source directory you will have a new source package with a new <filename>.diff.gz</filename> in the parent directory that contains your changes. A problem with this approach is that the distinction between source and patches is unclear."
[10:40] <cbx33> 46 		msgstr ""
[10:40] <cbx33> 26(para)
[10:40] <cbx33> means line 26
[10:40] <cbx33> and it's a paragraph?
[10:50] <deadwill> bye all
[10:50] <deadwill> o/
[11:53] <Baby> does anyone know if Kmos is coming back?
[11:55] <Baby> I need to upload pingus and don't know if he wants to help comaintaining it or not
[11:55] <Baby> and I have to take a decision noe
[11:58] <geser> he u
[11:58] <geser> he usually writes here
[11:59] <Baby> yup, i don't know if he's gone or just lost his connection
[11:59] <Baby> and I asked him 3 times if he wanted to comaintain pingus and i still have no answer
[12:00] <Baby> i need to take a decision about it now, as I want to upload the package
[12:00] <geser> he had some negative experiences with MOTU in the last past days, so hard to say if it's his connection or not
[12:01] <Baby> :(
[12:02] <Baby> I cannot wait much more, I'll wait for him 15 minutes or so, then upload it without him as uploader and we'll correct that later if he wants to join
[12:02] <Baby> I think it's the safest option for the moment
[12:13] <norsetto> Baby: did you see his email? I guess so but better check