[01:37] <vidd> for some reason my display settings only shows "default"....this is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35727/
[01:37] <vidd> any sugestions?
[01:51] <maxamillion> vidd: default should be 1024x768 ... xfce's display configuration considers the highest possible in xorg.conf to be "default"
[01:51] <vidd> yeah...but there is nothing else there
[01:51] <vidd> the lower settings are no listed
[01:52] <maxamillion> vidd: oh ... that's not good
[01:52] <maxamillion> vidd: you running a stable release or gutsy?
[01:52] <vidd> feisty
[01:52] <maxamillion> hmm....
[01:55] <vidd> ya think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would fix it?
[01:55] <maxamillion> vidd: i have actually seen that issue before but i thought it was resolved in the 4.4.0 release of xfce
[01:56] <maxamillion> vidd: its possible ... wouldn't hurt
[02:00] <Jester45> well it could
[02:01] <vidd> well...that didnt do it
[02:01] <Jester45> does the drive of the vid card suport the card fully and at other reses
[02:02] <vidd> it worked last time i installed
[02:02] <Jester45> driver*
[02:02] <Jester45> same version?
[02:02] <vidd> yeah
[02:03] <vidd> i only formatted and reinstalled cuzz gutsy fonts are too small to read
[02:07] <Pumpernickel> That's easily fixed - Gutsy interprets the DPI differently.
[02:16] <vidd> so is gutsy going to stop interpreting DPI differently so that it works correctly?
[02:20] <Pumpernickel> Probably not since, from what I've heard, the fix was the different interpretation.
[02:21] <Pumpernickel> If it's not working out, you can set it in ~/.Xdefaults on a per-user basis, or system-wide in xorg.conf.
[02:22] <Pumpernickel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976 is a decent reference.
[02:26] <cheeseboy> Pumpernickel ur my hero
[02:33] <malarame> has anyone ever had the problem where resizing windows causes xorg to use up nearly 100% of the cpu? it's driving me crazy
[02:33] <Pumpernickel> malarame: What video card, what driver, and what version of Xubuntu?
[02:33] <malarame> i have an nvidia ti4200, i'm using the restricted driver in the restricted driver manager, and i'm using feisty fawn
[02:33] <vidd> so Pumpernickel you have a cure for my current issue?
[02:33] <malarame> i just installed xubuntu earlier today
[02:33] <Pumpernickel> malarame: And is that any window, or just for specific applications?
[02:33] <malarame> any window
[02:33] <malarame> and changing tabs in firefox too
[02:33] <malarame> it slows the system down to a crawl for a few seconds
[02:35] <Pumpernickel> It sounds like a compositing problem - have you tried disabling that?
[02:35] <malarame> what is that, and how do i disable it?
[02:37] <Pumpernickel> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide#Disable_Composite_Extension
[02:37] <Pumpernickel> (Ignore the parts dealing with fglrx, since they're not relevant here.)
[02:37] <malarame> does it matter that that's for edgy?
[02:39] <malarame> and will that work instantly, or will i have to reboot?
[02:39] <Pumpernickel> Nah, the configuration is the same.
[02:39] <Pumpernickel> You'll have to restart X in order to use the new configuration.
[02:40] <Jester45> malarame, just so you know there are very few things you have to reboot to change
[02:40] <malarame> cool
[02:40] <malarame> i'm brand new to linux
[02:40] <malarame> so you'll have to bear with me
[02:40] <Jester45> its fine
[02:41] <malarame> so i only use the first three lines? not the part with "serverflags"?
[02:41] <Jester45> just telling you so you can bewindoise yourself
[02:41] <malarame> haha
[02:42] <Jester45> 1. rebooting is not needed to change a setting 2. no need for virus scanners 3. you dont have to defrag 4. updates and reinstalls are free so dont worrie to much about messing up the system
[02:42] <Pumpernickel> Both the 'Extensions' and 'ServerFlags' sections.
[02:43] <malarame> and what's the command to restart x?
[02:43] <Jester45> o and 5. google is no longer the main source for your programs, you can use it to find names of the programs but use apt first
[02:43] <Jester45> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:43] <Jester45> it will clsoe all windows!
[02:43] <malarame> i'm still trying to get used to not being able to double-click on a file and have it install
[02:44] <malarame> well, i'll see you guys in a few then
[02:44] <Pumpernickel> k
[02:44] <Jester45> you might find that linux's packages are much better than windows
[02:44] <Jester45> o
[02:48] <Jester45> you might find that linux's packages are much better than windows
[02:48] <malarame> nope, didn't work
[02:50] <malarame> however, xorg now seems to use slightly less of the cpu when i resize windows... like around 60-80%
[03:02] <malarame> and why is it impossible to find the setting that turns off using the mousewheel on the desktop to change workspaces?
[03:05] <vidd> malarame, right click on the pager and remove the chck mark
[03:05] <malarame> i tried that
[03:05] <malarame> it still switches workspaces when i scroll the wheel on the desktop
[03:06] <malarame> the only thing that option seems to affect is the pager itself
[03:06] <vidd> hrm...interesting....never noticed that
[03:06] <malarame> i know there's an option
[03:07] <malarame> i used xubuntu briefly a few months ago and i remember it took forever to find the option
[03:09] <rici> settings    window manager tweaks   something
[03:09] <rici> sth == workspaces
[03:09] <malarame> well that was easy
[03:09] <malarame> dammit, i've been searching on and off for like an hour
[03:10] <malarame> how did i miss that? i feel dumb now
[03:11] <vidd> happens to me all the time
[03:13] <malarame> well, thanks for your help guys
[03:17] <limbert65> I want to make a panel launcher for wifi-radar in xubuntu, but can't seem to find what to execute. Help?
[04:09] <Rodents210> Does anybody know the recommended system requirements for Xubuntu? I'm looking for a cheap used laptop to use for web browsing and word processing to run Xubuntu on, but I want to at least meet the recommended specs
[04:28] <corrupt> does xubuntu play a startup sound like microsoft windows x computers or ubuntu linux (gnome)?
[04:29] <cheeseboy> whats a command  to show my memory usage?
[06:57] <cheeseboy> not sure
[07:06] <shiznix> little help ?
[07:07] <shiznix> wondering if it's possible to install realplayer from repository on xubuntu feisty, getting all kinds of missing libs for gxine (spir.so + drvc.so) on a default install
[07:08] <shiznix> *sipr.so
[07:11] <shiznix> can't find realplayer in the list of packages in synaptic ...
[07:11] <Ahadiel> shiznix, try apt-cache search real | grep player
[07:13] <xjkx> i think realplayer isnt a freesoftware
[07:15] <Ahadiel> shiznix, I think the package is "realplay"
[07:26] <shiznix> Ahadiel: doesn't exist :(
[07:26] <Ahadiel> shiznix, must be in my extra repos
[07:45] <xjkx> How do i join to this team http://i18n.xfce.org/wiki/language_maintainers
[08:01] <m0u5e> do any of you know any good utils for recording besides gnome-media?
[08:52] <Ahadiel> How would I get cdroms, and other things to automount when media is inserted/plugged in?
[08:54] <xjkx> m0u5e: i do. Gnomebaker rocks
[08:54] <xjkx> Ahadiel: it should be done by default
[08:55] <Ahadiel> it doesn't for me
[08:55] <Ahadiel> and apps like Brasero, don't recognize my cd-drive
[08:56] <xjkx> try sudo brasero
[08:57] <Ahadiel> nope
[08:57] <Ahadiel> when I go to make an iso out of a disc, it doesn't show any sources drives
[08:57] <xjkx> even sudoing?
[08:57] <Ahadiel> aye
[08:57] <xjkx> will install it to check
[08:58] <xjkx> maybe there is some config
[08:58] <Ahadiel> thanks :)
[08:58] <xjkx> its strange that it doesnt detect the cdrom automatic anyway, all buntus do that by default
[08:58] <xjkx> i meant mount
[08:59] <Ahadiel> yeah =/
[08:59] <Ahadiel> when I was on ubuntu it worked fine
[09:00] <xjkx> i ran brasero fine and it detected my stuff :> even not sudoing, there is something wrong there, -trying to guess what-
[09:00] <Ahadiel> if it matters, I'm Running Linux Mint 3.0 with XFCE
[09:00] <Ahadiel> which is Based on Ubuntu
[09:00] <Ahadiel> (Feisty)
[09:01] <xjkx> never used it, sounds unofficial
[09:01] <Ahadiel> it's just extra apps and stuff
[09:01] <Ahadiel> everything runs the way it should like on Ubuntu
[09:03] <xjkx> are you with the light or full edition? :p
[09:04] <Ahadiel> Full
[09:04] <Ahadiel> :)
[09:10] <xjkx> Ahadiel: you can manually mount it, but you cant see it in brasero right?
[09:10] <xjkx> or you cant manually mount it?
[09:10] <Ahadiel> yeah I can manually mount it
[09:10] <Ahadiel> but I can't see it in brasero
[09:13] <xjkx> did you try it on some other software? such as gnomebaker? maybe its some version bug
[09:13] <Ahadiel> hrm
[09:13] <Ahadiel> I'll give it a shot
[09:13] <xjkx> :)
[09:13] <Ahadiel> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso that's how I'm making my iso for now :>
[09:14] <xjkx> :s
[09:15] <Ahadiel> yup, it shows up in gnomebaker
[09:15] <Ahadiel> must be brasero =/
[09:16] <Ahadiel> thanks for the help :)
[09:16] <xjkx> No problem :D
[09:16] <Ahadiel> and also
[09:16] <Ahadiel> is there anyway to get a volume OSD?
[09:16] <Ahadiel> I miss the one from gnome
[09:20] <xjkx> i dont know what ya mean with osd volume, but if you are looking for something to control the volume like the win's systray, there is one right clicking xfce bar and put in add, check the list
[09:21] <Ahadiel> sec, I got an old screenshot of my ubuntu desktop
[09:21] <Ahadiel> with the OSD showing
[09:22] <Ahadiel> http://ahadielstudios.com/~ahadiel/screenshots/Screenshot-3.png
[09:22] <xjkx> yea, i think it is what you want, try adding what i said
[09:23] <xjkx> its not as "beautiful" anyway
[09:24] <xjkx> you see the xfce menu? it is over a bar, right click somewhere in this bar and put in add
[09:24] <xjkx> there is a volume item
[09:24] <Ahadiel> kk
[09:24] <xjkx> I meant "add new item"
[09:48] <Ben_Cs> Hello
[10:06] <zelva> Good morning
[10:06] <zelva> Is here anybody from administrators of ubuntu.com or xubuntu.org, please?
[10:07] <Ahadiel> zelva, why?
[10:07] <zelva> I'm an administrator of xubuntu.xf.cz
[10:07] <zelva> And I'm going to move this web to xubuntu.cz
[10:08] <zelva> But I need drupal theme of xubuntu.org
[10:09] <zelva> nobody?
[10:30] <zelva> nobody?
[10:31] <zelva> That's a pity
[10:31] <zelva> Do you know anybody for administrators
[10:31] <zelva> ?
[10:32] <zelva> Or, Do you now any channel for administrators?
[10:32] <zelva> Sorry: know
[10:33] <noneof> hey
[10:34] <noneof> someone here able to help ? it is possible to compile  my own kernel ?
[10:34] <kalikiana> Read the forums or the wiki :P
[10:35] <noneof> just a question. i'v read on other distributions you can do this
[10:35] <kalikiana> You can do it. There is a package, possibly called 'linux-foo'.
[10:36] <noneof> what wiki ? if i synaptic the latest kernel sources inclusive ubuntu fixes, extract, link the dir to linux, go to the dir and try make oldconfig and i get billions of error messages - it doesnt look like working
[10:36] <noneof> ima right ?
[10:36] <noneof> Linux eric-ubuntu 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:36] <noneof> Linux eric-ubuntu 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:36] <noneof> Linux eric-ubuntu 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:36] <noneof> oh, sorry
[10:37] <noneof> i wouldnt paste 3 times
[10:38] <noneof> the kernel from 7.04 isnt compiled with /proc/config, the config file are all i need - maybe you can send it kalikia ?
[10:42] <noneof> so, no help :( darn
[10:43] <Merchelo> if you wait around someone would be able to help
[10:43] <Ben_Cs> is it on purpose that when i right click on disk on key icon (on desktop) and choose "unmount", that the icon is no removed after unmounting?
[10:44] <Merchelo> is it a portable HD, or the main HD which xubuntu runs from?
[10:44] <Ben_Cs> it's a usb disk on key. xubuntu is installed on HD
[10:45] <Ben_Cs> maybe it's so untill i fisically remove the drive, i can mount easylly it again by clicking it's icon?
[10:46] <noneof> Merchelo: ok, 'll try an apt-get update/dist-upgrade, maybe the compiling will work then
[10:46] <Ben_Cs> i'm just regular from windows that if i unmount a drive, the only way to mount it again is by disconnecting and reconnecting it physically
[10:47] <shiznix> Ahadiel: got it, had to download + extract the 'essentials' package from mplayer's site, then do an 'strace' on the gxine binary to find out where it was looking for the missing libraries, then hand craft some symbolic links accordingly
[10:47] <shiznix> oh, he gone :|
[10:48] <Ben_Cs> ?
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> ok, another question:
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> i want to get in depth on linux. in debian.com is a debian reference. will it help me?
[10:50] <Ben_Cs> or i need something else?
[10:52] <Merchelo> ?
[10:52] <Merchelo> depth as in learn more?
[10:53] <Merchelo> if so join the channel #linux and ask there, they have tons of references
[10:54] <noneof> rebooting
[10:55] <Ben_Cs> is learn more
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> but i want to learn focused on debian, because most of the better distros are based on debian
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> so i thought maybe someone here has read the ref.
[10:57] <thomas_bayes> hello!
[10:58] <thomas_bayes> I have a firefox/X problem
[10:58] <Merchelo> benny, join #debian so
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> ok
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> BTW how do i change encoding in xchat?
[10:59] <thomas_bayes> "The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error."
[11:03] <Ben_Cs> #debian is so packed that no one even notices my question. it's the reason i hate #ubuntu
[11:04] <DOH> someone arrived who can answer an kernel compile question ?
[11:06] <thomas_bayes> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35766/
[11:18] <martinez> hi all
[11:21] <martinez> i have quastion, anybody help me?
[11:24] <xjkx> 107      14605  0.0  0.0   2100   272 ?        S    00:31   0:00 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sda
[11:25] <xjkx> what does that mean?
[11:27] <Ben_Cs> martinez: just ask the question
[11:27] <Ben_Cs> and if someone can, he'll answwer :)
[11:28] <kanpachi> hello, is there any application in xubuntu to rip cds into oggs? all i know is sound-juicer
[11:30] <Ramla> grip is a nice one. i've only ripped into mp3:s but it should be able to handle any encoder afaik
[11:30] <kanpachi> oh, thanx
[11:30] <martinez> i have xubuntu on old computer, xfce don't refresh desktop and i have same rests of windows on the desktop. How to repair it?
[11:30] <kanpachi> any others i should try out?
[11:32] <Ben_Cs> martinez: how do u mean doesn't refresh. what are u expecting there to be? i just didn't get u
[11:34] <Ramla> is xfdesktop running?
[11:34] <Ben_Cs> martinez: u mean the desktop is frozen, and doesn't srespond?
[11:35] <martinez> Ben_Cs: respond, but i have some junks
[11:36] <martinez> Ben_Cs: xfce is runnig, i can run programs, i have everything, but if i close the window, part of this window is on the desktop
[11:36] <martinez> Ben_Cs: i cannot delete it, it is unrepondable, something like wallpaper
[11:37] <Ben_Cs> i see
[11:37] <martinez> Ben_Cs: olny if i change desktop wallpaper, i can delete this junks
[11:38] <Ben_Cs> well had the same on Winblows on old comp. i think it's too old to know it doesn't refresh or something. common on old pc's. maybe u need to use a lighter distro? i can recommend
[11:38] <martinez> Ben_Cs: what can i do?
[11:38] <Ben_Cs> what are the specs of your pc?
[11:39] <martinez> 128MG, disc 8GB, Intel family 8, 133MHz, graph: Savage Inc 4
[11:40] <Ben_Cs> ok
[11:40] <Ben_Cs> martinez: xfce needs stronger specs to work right. it needs 300mhz
[11:41] <martinez> what you propose?
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> martinez: i recomend to u "fluxbuntu"
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> fluxbox is the desktop manager and it's lighter then xfce
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> u can ask more in #fluxbuntu
[11:41] <martinez> ok, thx
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> no problem
[11:41] <martinez> but, i have another question...
[11:42] <Ben_Cs> shoot
[11:42] <martinez> can i run programs (especially simple games) on fluxbunut?
[11:42] <martinez> and what with KDE and gnome apps?
[11:42] <Ben_Cs> if they are simple enough for your pc, then there's no problem
[11:42] <martinez> ok
[11:43] <martinez> where is fluxuntu> i didn't found on ubuntu site
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> kde and gnome apps are heavy. but fluxbuntu runs kde and gnome apps with no problem
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> fluxbuntu isn't official yet
[11:43] <martinez> is it stable?
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> yes it is
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> i explain
[11:44] <Ben_Cs> fluxbuntu is ubuntu dapper (6.06) that uses fluxbox as desktop manager. so if dapper is stable enough for you, then fluxbuntu is as well
[11:44] <Ben_Cs> ok?
[11:44] <Ben_Cs> :)
[11:45] <martinez> ok
[11:46] <Ben_Cs> i used fluxbuntu on an old pc and like it alot
[11:47] <martinez> ids drapper stable and ok?
[11:48] <martinez> and what's about Small Danm Linux? can i run desktop there and games?
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> yes. dapper has long term support. meaning it's the most stable realease of current ubuntu realeases
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> i used damn small linux aswell. IF your pc doesn't work smooth enough with fluxbuntu, then try damn small linux. it's even lighter.
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> you can run desktop and games
[11:51] <martinez> can i install DSL with desktop (i have small experience)
[11:51] <Ben_Cs> well, gotta go. good luck martinez. (dsl comes with desktop :)  )
[11:52] <martinez> ok, thx
[11:52] <Ben_Cs> NP
[01:06] <Nyks> moin!
[01:09] <kanpachi> hello, any idea on how to rip audio off a dvd?
[01:50] <tarntow> anyone know how to fix screen alignment problem when you boot into another OS ?
[01:51] <TheSheep> tarntow: press the "auto align" button on your monitor?
[01:53] <tarntow> TheSheep: wondering if there is another way to fix this once and for all or is that a normal criteria?
[01:54] <albert> do yall know any tweaks that will make xubuntu even faster?
[01:55] <albert> ???
[01:59] <TheSheep> tarntow: I don't know any
[02:08] <gerro> good after-morn-eve everybody
[02:12] <gerro> hmm I like my panel in xubuntu off to the right but task list displays names truncated. How can I disable name display all together?
[02:12] <TheSheep> gerro: use iconbox instead
[02:13] <gerro> what is that?
[02:13] <gerro> ohhh I see
[02:13] <gerro> thanks
[02:14] <gerro> wow now my panel all lit up and colorful like a christmas tree, stylish Sheep
[02:15] <TheSheep> you can disable the colors
[02:15] <gerro> eh?
[02:15] <gerro> what you mean by that
[02:15] <TheSheep> the iconbox uses colors to highlight the state of the apps
[02:16] <TheSheep> you can disable that
[02:16] <gerro> oh no I like it
[02:16] <gerro> but hey one more question, how can I turn up mouse precision?
[02:17] <TheSheep> gerro: logitech?
[02:17] <gerro> don't think so
[02:17] <gerro> It works great so far, just I'd like a bit more accuracy
[02:17] <TheSheep> you can add Option "resolution" "foo" to your mouse definition in xorg.conf
[02:18] <gerro> why is it called resolution and foo?
[02:19] <TheSheep> "foo" is the place where you should put your number
[02:19] <TheSheep> see 'man 4 mouse' for details
[02:19] <highvoltage> that sounds funny
[02:19] <TheSheep> no, wait
[02:19] <TheSheep> man 4 mouse is too detailed
[02:22] <gerro> what is the default setting? like 100?
[02:24] <gerro> what xorg version does 7.04 use again?
[02:25] <albert> hey do yall know how on some peoples desktops they have an object as the background that they can click on, say like a large button for terminal
[02:25] <albert> how do you do that
[02:26] <gerro> albert: when you right click it does something already just set left click to do something and make it respond with something besides a menu
[02:27] <albert> gerro:let me see if i can do that and if thats what i mean
[02:27] <gerro> albert: are you refering to how on fluxbox it displays the start menu on left click?
[02:27] <albert> no
[02:27] <gerro> ok
[02:27] <gerro> TheSheep: I need a huge manual on everything related to xorg, where should I look?
[02:28] <albert> gerro: i mean as the background like the desktop background there can be like a large icon, looking as if it was part of the background instead of an actual icon that you can click on
[02:29] <gerro> albert: you mean you want to disable shading and other characteristics that make icons stand out from background? or make invisible icons?
[02:29] <gerro> just up transparency to max lol
[02:29] <albert> gerro : no im sorry its hard to explain, maybe i can find an example for you hold up
[02:30] <TheSheep> albert: desklets?
[02:30] <TheSheep> gerro: man xorg.conf
[02:30] <TheSheep> !info desklets | albert
[02:31] <ubotu> albert: Package desklets does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:31] <albert> yeah that could have been what i meant, ok shame that feisty doesnt support it
[02:31] <albert> thanks anyways
[02:32] <TheSheep> !info gdesklets | albert
[02:33] <ubotu> albert: gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[02:33] <gerro> so what is that anyway?
[02:33] <gerro> albert: got any pics of it?
[02:33] <albert> and would i be able to link one of those bad boys to terminal?
[02:33] <albert> gerro:no sorry i couldnt find the pic i was looking for
[02:34] <TheSheep> albert: I guess it depends on what plugins there are for it
[02:35] <albert> basically what i wanted was a the mouse logo on my desktop and when i clicked on it it would be a shortcut to terminal, but the mouse logo wouldnt look like just a launcher icon because it would be bigger, as if it was part of the background
[02:36] <gerro> albert: so you want an icon extra large with no name displayed and hold the mayo?
[02:36] <gerro> albert: should already be there able to do it
[02:36] <albert> gerro: yeah possibly
[02:38] <gerro> albert: but why not just get a background?
[02:39] <albert> gerro: what do you mean just get a background, is it possible to get backgrounds that have this?
[03:37] <warbler> What is the lowest spec comp that you good folk have run xubuntu on?. As a test box, I want to use a pent2 with 128mb memory.
[03:45] <maxamillion> warbler: i've run it on a pentium 100mhz w/ 64mb of EDO ram ... it ran, its was painfully slow but it ran .... i think you will be fine with those specs but be sure to use the alternate installation image and make note that loading heavier applications like firefox will take a little patience
[04:04] <warbler> maxamillion: want to set a headless box in shed to auto play mp3's on a button press
[04:06] <TheSheep> warbler: look at mpd
[04:07] <maxamillion> warbler: look at debian
[04:08] <maxamillion> warbler: if that's all you want it for then you don't need the overhead of X11 on that machine
[04:08] <TheSheep> debian+mpd :)
[04:22] <warbler> tried damn small linux but that was a little bit less than needed - easy way to add to startup & playlists etc...
[04:24] <TheSheep> mpc load <playlist name>
[04:24] <TheSheep> and mpd starts automatically at boot by default
[04:24] <TheSheep> (it alos has a web interface)
[04:35] <warbler> The Sheep: will read up on mpc/mpd :)
[04:40] <TheSheep> warbler: I think it's a perfect thng for a headless mp3 playing box. this or xmms2
[04:43] <funbitz> guys! help!! both my upper and lower taskbars(?)  just disappeard and i don't know what i did! help?
[04:45] <funbitz> i'm using 7.04, installed it from ubuntu via synaptic.
[04:45] <TheSheep> funbitz: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[04:47] <funbitz> thanks a lot :)  forgive my ignorance, i just installed it
[04:48] <TheSheep> funbitz: no, it's probably some problem with the software
[04:48] <TheSheep> funbitz: there are always bugs
[04:49] <funbitz> rather, cause i know i was just goin to shut down or something, when those panels disappeared... so...
[04:49] <funbitz> out of the blue
[04:50] <TheSheep> funbitz: ah, you clicked on the panel and selected 'quit' :)
[04:50] <TheSheep> funbitz: which 'quit' from the panel, not from the whole session
[04:51] <funbitz> aaah, yes... busted :)  that was it...
[05:18] <funbitz> how can i enter the grub setup cause i'm using dual boot
[05:27] <warbler> funbitz: sudo  (your editor) /boot/grub/menu.lst - that is small L s t
[05:28] <illu45> gksudo is probably better, although I might be wrong
[05:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[05:40] <jdan> I have got one big problem for me. I installed Ubuntu server 7.x and configured LTSP for thin clients. But it appeared that every users can turn off server or reboot it by clicking dedicated buttons or selecting menu. Non logged users can turn server off  by pressing buttons on login GDM page. Does anyone know how to secure server? Maybe some HOW TO at Internet or other document.
[05:41] <cellofellow> is anyone familiar with startx?
[05:41] <maxamillion> cellofellow: j0
[05:41] <maxamillion> cellofellow: what's up?
[05:41] <TheSheep> bug #47834
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47834 in xfce4-session "LTSP Users are allowed to shut down LTSP server" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47834
[05:41] <cellofellow> just trying to make this box lighter by skipping GDM.
[05:42] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you don't really get that much gain to be honest... maybe 10mb of ram
[05:42] <cellofellow> I know how to do it in XFCE (startxfce4). That command starts the X server too.
[05:42] <cellofellow> maxamillion: this box has like 64MB though.
[05:42] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ah, ok
[05:42] <TheSheep> jdan: you need to create a kiosk file as described in there
[05:43] <cellofellow> startfluxbox doesn't start the X server, so all I get is dumb errors. startx startfluxbox starts the X server, then quits.
[05:43] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well startx is just a front end to xinit and basically just does whatever is said to do in ~/.xinitrc or in the global config file if you don't have a .xinitrc
[05:43] <TheSheep> cellofellow: edit your .xsession or .xinit
[05:43] <cellofellow> um, ok
[05:43] <cellofellow> and put startfluxbox?
[05:44] <TheSheep> cellofellow: exec startfluxbox
[05:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, you need to put 'exec startfluxbox' in .xinitrc
[05:44] <maxamillion> well ... TheSheep pretty much beat me to that on
[05:44] <jdan> TheSheep: Kiosk, ok but I can't find any description how it do. I am familiar with Debian and standard server shares.
[05:44] <maxamillion> s/on/one
[05:44] <cellofellow> that worked!
[05:44] <cellofellow> thanks, gtg though.
[05:45] <TheSheep> jdan: that bug #47834 comments have some pointers
[05:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47834 in xfce4-session "LTSP Users are allowed to shut down LTSP server" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47834
[05:45] <TheSheep> jdan: the documentation of the xfce.org site also describes kiosk settings in detail
[05:45] <maxamillion> gotta run ... class time
[05:46] <jdan> TheSheep: ok, thanks. I am reading now ...
[06:00] <jdan> TheSheep: unfortunately document at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/c2hs/+bug/47834 is out of date for me. Moreover, kiosk mode blocks access to modify meny by users. And it only works with Xfce. In Debian x-managers forbid by default reboot and shut down by common users.
[06:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47834 in xfce4-session "LTSP Users are allowed to shut down LTSP server" [Medium,Fix released] 
[06:24] <TheSheep> jdan: well, just look at their configuration then and copy it over
[06:35] <jdan> TheSheep: I am getting xfc4 meta package on my notebook and I have intention to install and check it
[06:37] <azamo> hi, when i try to install on an old world mac install fails on "select and install software" during the alt. install.  is this usual?
[06:38] <TheSheep> hard to tell, what is the message?
[06:39] <TheSheep> azamo: you might want to check bugs.ubuntu.com and forums
[06:39] <azamo> some along the lines of "an installation step failed, you can retry or skip it altogether"
[06:39] <TheSheep> azamo: not very informative :/
[06:40] <azamo> maybe i will check the bugs and let you know, however it is the LTS version.
[06:41] <TheSheep> azamo: you can also go to a console with alt+f2 and check some htings
[06:41] <TheSheep> azamo: for example, whether there are errors in dmesg or if there is enough free disk space
[06:43] <azamo> ok i'll try
[06:44] <azamo> maybe i'll get a different release, like 7.01
[06:46] <azamo> bye
[06:48] <thomas_bayes> hello
[06:49] <thomas_bayes> I have a problem with firefox, it crashes on allmost every website
[06:50] <thomas_bayes> from the terminal i get: thomas@dimebag:~$ firefox
[06:50] <thomas_bayes> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[06:50] <thomas_bayes> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error.
[06:51] <TheSheep> !bugs | thomas_bayes
[06:51] <ubotu> thomas_bayes: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:53] <thomas_bayes> ok, thanks
[07:14] <ch0wda> i've somehow gotten 3 network managers to start in the system tray when i log in xfce, how can i get rid of them?
[07:20] <TheSheep> ch0wda: close them and save session when logging out
[07:20] <TheSheep> ch0wda: alternatively, delete filesi n ~/.cache/sessions/
[07:21] <jdan> TheSheep: I downloaded xfce4 and configured it in kiosk mode. It's ok. Noe users have not any access to reboot server. But remains GDM. GDM lets choose other window manager. And have own menu and buttons to shut server down. Any idea?
[07:21] <TheSheep> jdan: you can configure it
[07:22] <TheSheep> jdan: system->login window
[07:22] <TheSheep> jdan: but isn't gdm started locally with ltsp?
[07:24] <jdan> No, gdm is stared on server and have XDMCP active mode on
[07:25] <jdan> TheSheep: No, gdm is stared on server and have XDMCP active mode on
[07:26] <TheSheep> jdan: you can disable the 'actions' menu in gdm
[07:29] <jdan> TheSheep: Where can I find it? I look at system-login window and don't see it. In xfce4 menu it's Applications->Settings->Login window
[07:29] <jdan>  TheSheep: It's the same dialog like `gdmsetup`
[07:31] <starvinmarvin> My box has 3 hard drives with movies on them. I would like to create a network share that contains all of the movies so network users only need to go to one folder on the network for the movies. Is this possible?
[07:33] <TheSheep> starvinmarvin: yes, create a directory with 3 subdirectories and mount the drives in these 3 directories, then make a share from the parent directory
[07:35] <starvinmarvin> Thanks TheSheep
[07:37] <Kr4t05> Hi, I'm using the Feisty Alternate Installer CD on a Dell Latitude LS laptop. For some reason, the intaller freezes at 85% of the "Select and  install software" screen reading "Installed xubuntu-desktop." Has anyone else encountered a similar problem?
[07:39] <Kr4t05> Oh... Scratch that... It works this time.
[07:41] <warbler> k
[07:50] <ch0wda> TheSheep: thx
[07:54] <jdan> TheSheep: You are right. There are "SystemMenu" and "ChooserButton" in gdm.conf. Now I have to block only chooser for other window managers.
[08:37] <xjkx> my printer has only the black color, the other ones are out. Cups cant print, i think it uses the colors even though i want it to just print the black color, i am using "Color Model:  Grayscale"
[08:38] <TheSheep> xjkx: maybe they will know at #cups
[08:38] <xjkx> ten ppl there :< but i hope
[08:40] <starvinmarvin> TheSheep, is there any way to allow multiple folders appear as one on a network share?
[08:41] <The-Kernel> is there a way to get all the irssi scripts to load right away?
[08:41] <The-Kernel> and does anyone have recommendations on which ones to use?
[08:41] <TheSheep> The-Kernel: --> #irssi :)
[08:42] <TheSheep> starvinmarvin: I don't think so
[08:42] <starvinmarvin> well that's a bummer
[08:42] <starvinmarvin> Some sort of virtual raid for network shares? can't someone whip one up?
[08:42] <starvinmarvin> haha
[09:27] <The-Kernel> well
[09:27] <The-Kernel> no one in #irssi is actually there
[09:27] <The-Kernel> its one big idling channel
[09:41] <ShAdOw_LnX> Hi, there's a program to make a dial up conection and show me how much time i've conected?
[09:46] <warbler> try this - http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=299
[09:46] <warbler> says it's good :)
[09:47] <maxamillion> ShAdOw_LnX: yes, there are a few
[09:49] <ShAdOw_LnX> maxamillion, do you know another than gnome-ppp? doesn't work for me, y only can conect opening network-admin and enable my modem conection, but i don't know how much time i've conected
[09:53] <maxamillion> ShAdOw_LnX: i actually just use pppd
[09:53] <ShAdOw_LnX> maxamillion: ok
[09:56] <maxamillion> ShAdOw_LnX: it requires a little configuration but it works and its lightweight :)
[09:59] <vidd> how hard is it set up a second nick card and use it for internet sharing?
[10:01] <ShAdOw_LnX> maxamillion: ok i need ligthweigth things becouse im in a PII 400 mhz 128 ram, i'm looking ligthweugth soft
[10:18] <hyper_ch> hiho, I'm in my new appartement now :)
[10:56] <student1> looking for instructions on setting up nvidia drivers so i can use mplayer to watch dvd's.  already tried the restricted drivers manager route and system failed to come back up.  error messages available if it would help.
[10:57] <Jester45> !patebin
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Jester45> !pastebin
[10:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:57] <Jester45> it please
[10:58] <vidd> !nvidia
[10:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:02] <student1> i am running 7.04 and, if i am reading the HowTo correctly, i should use System->Administration->Restricted Driver Manager.  is that correct?
[11:03] <vidd> idk...i dont have that equiptment
[11:03] <student1> the reason i ask, is that is what i did do, and messed things up so badly that the only way i could find to recover was to re-install
[11:04] <vidd> follow the instructions for 6.10
[11:05] <rici> does anyone know off-hand how to get ubuntu to recognize a usb hard-drive? or at least a place to start looking?
[11:09] <neozen> ....it should already.,.. buuut
[11:09] <student1> vidd, just checking that you are talking to me and not someone else before i start following the instructions for 6.10 :)
[11:09] <neozen> I'd start looking around for it in /dev/sdb /dev/sdc etc
[11:09] <vidd> student1, yes...that was for you
[11:10] <rici> neozen: the hdd is from a freebsd system so i expect other issues
[11:10] <neozen> ahhh
[11:10] <neozen> what filesystem?
[11:10] <rici> iirc, it's a pure freebsd disk with several ffs on it
[11:11] <rici> i'd just like to verify that ubuntu can see the damn thing
[11:12] <rici> this didn't look good: kernel: [18544106.312000]   1:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[11:12] <rici> but i've never used a usb hdd before, so i'm just going on instinct
[11:12] <rici> it's actually an ordinary sata drive in a usb external box
[11:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: huhu
[11:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yeah
[11:30] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: 300mb left ;)
[11:30] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and inet is working at my new place
[11:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: glad to hear that
[11:31] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:42] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: tomorrw I get my new DVDs ;)
[11:53] <neozen> bye all
[11:53] <maxamillion> laters
[11:55] <hellekin> hi there
[11:57] <Jester45> hi
[11:58] <hellekin> Hello Jester45... I fought with my parent's Shuttle that was broken. I resolved the hardware problem, but in the meantime, I reinstalled the system from scratch, using the Gutsy xubuntu
[11:58] <hellekin> really cool distro
[11:58] <TheSheep> and it will be even released soon ;)
[11:58] <hellekin> I only have a few marginal problems with it though.
[11:59] <hellekin> the thing i really like was the integration of deb packages with firefox and totem for the codecs. Awesome.
[12:00] <hellekin> but of course, as soon as I started adding users, I stumbled across problems
[12:00] <hellekin> Following the PulseAudio recommendations solved most of the shared sound problems, although I lost control of the keyboard special keys in the process
[12:01] <hellekin> eg. amixer from the keyboard volume/mute keys works fine when pulseaudio is not used, but fails otherwise
[12:02] <hellekin> and if some user has a problem with sound, it's a mess to recover without killing all apps using sound (restarting sound freezes the apps)
[12:03] <hellekin> vino gives me a headache too. connecting works, but the mouse really really wants to go to the upper left corner of the screen. Go figure. :)
[12:03] <hellekin> Overall, I much prefer xfce4 to metacity
[12:04] <hellekin> oh, and compiz in "cube mode" only takes part of the display for the desktop. I used to fix that problem on debian, but I can't remember how.
[12:05] <hellekin> comments and suggestions are welcome :)
[12:07] <Pumpernickel> hellekin: Does using pulseaudio directly to handle muting/unmuting etc. work?
[12:07] <hellekin> Pumpernickel: good question... lemme test that
[12:08] <Pumpernickel> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/CLI is a command reference.
[12:09] <hellekin> yes
[12:13] <hellekin> hmmm Pumpernickel, is "pulseaudio set-sink-mute" the right command ? It doesn't work. pavucontrol works
[12:18] <Pumpernickel> If pavucontrol works, that's fine.
[12:21] <illu45> Hm... does anyone here use SoX?
[12:24] <hellekin> wow... When pulseaudio fails, recovering *is* a mess
[12:25] <hellekin> ouch... pulseaudio[10721] : alsa-util.c: device doesn't support 44100 Hz, changed to 22050 Hz.
[12:25] <hellekin>  pulseaudio[10721] : alsa-util.c: device doesn't support 2 channels, changed to 1.
[12:25] <HelloMeow> Can somebody tell me the best way to take a desktop screenshot?
[12:26] <HelloMeow> I can't seem to get print-screen to work
[12:26] <hellekin> HelloMeow: you must have a screenshot app that you can add to you panel
[12:26] <TheSheep> HelloMeow: you can add a screenshoter plugin to your panel, you can use the 'file->aquire->screenshot' menu of gimp, or you can install scrot and bind it to your printscreen key
[12:27] <Jester45> hellekin, no... there are much better cli apps
[12:27] <HelloMeow> OK, thanks guys
[12:27] <Jester45> but for s simple one time screenhot the plugin is best
[12:28] <HelloMeow> Any good apps you know of?
[12:28] <Jester45> scrot
[12:28] <hellekin> HelloMeow: I'm using xbinkeys and scrot. In my .xbindkeysrc I put:
[12:28] <hellekin> "scrot '%Y-%m-%d_%T_$wx$h.png' -e 'mv $f ~/img/screenshots/'"
[12:28] <hellekin> Print
[12:28] <cheeseboy> $sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT is eth1 the device with internet or the one sharing it ?
[12:29] <TheSheep> you can also just go to settings->keyboard->shortcuts and add a binding for scrot there
[12:29] <hellekin> cheeseboy: eth1 is the -i(nput) with 192.168.0.0/24 source address. So I guess the public interface is on eth0
[12:29] <hyper_ch> I use imagemagick and a shell script to make screenshots
[12:30] <cheeseboy> helkin eth1 would be one i get internet from then i send it out eth0 ?
[12:30] <cheeseboy> hellekin *
[12:30] <hellekin> cheeseboy: I said the opposite
[12:31] <cheeseboy> ok
[12:31] <cheeseboy> i was confused
[12:31] <hellekin> heh it happens
[12:31] <hellekin> hyper_ch: isn't imagemagick overhead?
[12:32] <hyper_ch> hellekin: works fine for me
[12:33] <hyper_ch> HelloMeow: hellekin: http://phpfi.com/260011
[12:33] <TheSheep> hellekin: ImageMagick has a lot of other sueful functions too
[12:34] <TheSheep> hellekin: good to have it on your box anyways
[12:34] <hellekin> ah yes, import :)
[12:34] <hellekin> I'd forgotten about that one
[12:34] <hyper_ch> yes it has... especially when using php :)
[12:35] <hellekin> I mostly use convert and identify ;)
[12:35] <cheeseboy> how do i make my iptables permanent ?
[12:35] <hellekin> cheeseboy: put it in /etc/rc.local... But you'd better learn about shorewall
[12:43] <cheeseboy> hellekin why?
[12:43] <cheeseboy> cant i just remove it?
[12:44] <hellekin> cheeseboy: remove what ?
[12:45] <hellekin> cheeseboy: shorewall is an excellent bash script for wrapping IPtables. It's powerful and very simple to use (although it can become as complex as iptables allows ;o)
[12:47] <cheeseboy> :/
[12:47] <hellekin> ?
[12:48] <hellekin> Hmmm... Starcraft over ssh doesn't seem to find the "CD"
[12:48] <hellekin> oops :)