| Riddell | test what? | 12:43 |
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| Riddell | there's too many things to test automatically | 12:43 |
| mhb | Riddell: you're probably right (as usual), but still, does C. use any tools for some CD testing tasks? Like testing whether it boots on a generic machine, or such. | 12:45 |
| Riddell | nope | 12:45 |
| Riddell | on the whole if it doesn't boot we'll know about it | 12:46 |
| mhb | Riddell: right, but I get the feeling using humans to test whether it boots is a waste of valuable resources | 12:47 |
| mhb | of course, hardware-specific tests have to be made, but generic tests should be conducted before that | 12:47 |
| Riddell | writing something like that might be interesting | 12:48 |
| Riddell | but testing CDs is about a lot more than just booting | 12:48 |
| mhb | Riddell: true | 12:50 |
| mhb | testing frameworks are neat nonetheless... I am looking forward to the day when apport will be able to collect necessary information for my system switching to console from usplash | 12:56 |
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| nixternal | thanks for the heads up on the --list-missing...so far kdelibs has none missing :) | 01:18 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ^^ | 01:18 |
| Riddell | groovy | 01:19 |
| Riddell | nixternal: did you grab the other tabs? | 01:19 |
| nixternal | you lost me with "tabs" | 01:19 |
| nixternal | yes | 01:19 |
| nixternal | derrr | 01:19 |
| nixternal | pimlibs and base, and I will grab more as I go on | 01:20 |
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| Riddell | tars | 01:21 |
| nixternal | ya...I kind of took tabs as a shrunken version of tarballs :) | 01:21 |
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| === Riddell has http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_0_Delayed_Two_Months_Kubuntu_Impacts arrive in inbox and eyes up nixternal | ||
| === nixternal looks | ||
| Riddell | "we will start working on a Kubuntu LiveCD with KDE 4 once it starts to stable out a little more" mostly I'm waiting for the CD creation script to be released | 01:39 |
| nixternal | ya, but I wasn't 100% sure what we were waiting for, so I made that up a little | 01:40 |
| nixternal | try to prevent the bashing ahead of time | 01:40 |
| nixternal | ya, I don't look at digg much, but someone mentioned it to me so I went to do a "fire prevention" type post there | 01:42 |
| nixternal | at least all of the comments there are positive...which I never expect from digg | 01:42 |
| Riddell | :) | 01:43 |
| nixternal | I love how fast kdelibs builds | 01:44 |
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| mhb | hmm, I've got a young grasshopper question for a wise python-qt coder out here: is there a significant performance loss when doing "from qt import *" compared to "from qt import JustWhatYouNeed" ? | 02:41 |
| mhb | pylint is complaining about it, and I've read other papers that were against it, but it is quite hard to work in PyQt without it. | 02:43 |
| nosrednaekim | It takes longer to import, uses more memory, and its not as safe. | 02:47 |
| nosrednaekim | un-safe as in there are more functions imported into your base namespace. | 02:48 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: yeah, that's what they tell you :o) | 02:48 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 02:49 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: what I'd like to know is the numbers ... whether removing the "*" for pyqt and pykde makes your apps run like ferraris | 02:49 |
| mhb | or it's just a 0.01 sec that you won't miss in a configuration tool you launch once a millenium | 02:50 |
| nosrednaekim | well, I have just heard about the speed thing. I did notice the cut down in namespace though... I was dumb enough to name one of MY functions the same as a fuction that I imported with a * | 02:51 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: right, it should speed your apps up, that's why pylint and others warn you. | 02:54 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I just wanted to know the size of the speedup. | 02:54 |
| nosrednaekim | hmm I don't know. let me test something :) | 02:54 |
| nosrednaekim | lol... just importing what I wanted made the start-up time about 5 times SLOWER | 02:57 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 02:57 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: you sure? | 02:58 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: didn't you have a .pyc for one and not for the other? | 02:58 |
| mhb | just guessing | 02:58 |
| nosrednaekim | I did a whole bunch of imports from system moduels | 02:58 |
| nosrednaekim | *modules | 02:58 |
| mhb | moduels, that's a nice typo :o) | 02:59 |
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| nosrednaekim | when I "import *" the time is "real 0m0.044s" | 03:01 |
| nosrednaekim | when I "import <module name>" its "real 0m0.190s" | 03:02 |
| nosrednaekim | or so. | 03:02 |
| mhb | I guessed that | 03:05 |
| mhb | thanks for testing | 03:05 |
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| milian | kmail crashes everytime I try to paste somthing into the composer | 03:08 |
| milian | since it's still v3.5.7 I think it's some kubuntu changes? | 03:09 |
| milian | feisty was very stable | 03:09 |
| mhb | milian: thanks for reporting, nixternal told us the same thing | 03:09 |
| nixternal | there is a bug report for it, I haven't looked at it yet | 03:09 |
| mhb | milian: yes, it's either us or the new "enterprise" branch of kdepim | 03:09 |
| milian | mhb: good | 03:10 |
| milian | nixternal: better :) | 03:10 |
| milian | damnit, it's kinda hart to not paste anything in a mail :D | 03:13 |
| milian | even if you know it doesnt work and you'll lose all your content... | 03:13 |
| mhb | milian: yeah, bugs like this are the reason why we don't recommend gutsy for production | 03:14 |
| milian | ++ | 03:14 |
| milian | I'm bleeding for the bleeding edge ;-) | 03:14 |
| milian | and someone has to use it to find some bugs | 03:14 |
| mhb | milian: but I'm quite sure it gets fixed soon, because the devs also write emails sometimes | 03:14 |
| nixternal | mhb: I think all of the devs use Mutt :) | 03:16 |
| nosrednaekim | I Pine for those old days of Mutt. | 03:17 |
| milian | I'm off to bed | 03:18 |
| milian | have a good night (or day) | 03:18 |
| mhb | nixternal: oh do they? That means I'm not a dev :o) | 03:18 |
| mhb | nixternal: time to change my appearance then ... fr0m n0w 0n 1'M a scr1pt k1dd13 :o) | 03:19 |
| nixternal | mhb: hahaha | 03:19 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 03:22 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: by the way, do you happen to know about an "krazy"-like code checker for python-qt/kde ? | 03:43 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: pylint or pychecker are cool, but they aren't "krazy" enough :o) | 03:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: up to kdebase, and I just realised they split it into -workspace as well...this one may be a little tricky for my current newbset | 03:44 |
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| nosrednaekim | I don't check my python code... I just run it :) | 03:46 |
| nixternal | I just run mine too, and then it yells at me | 03:46 |
| mhb | heh, still it won't yell if you do some childish thing that will make your app 2x slower or so, but it'll work | 03:47 |
| mhb | and code checking for basic/common mistakes is what I'd like | 03:47 |
| mhb | (which is what krazy does) | 03:48 |
| mhb | hm, let's try #python | 03:48 |
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| nosrednaekim | yes.. that would be the ideal location.. | 03:56 |
| nosrednaekim | who maintains adept? | 04:02 |
| Jucato | apt-cache show adept says... | 04:03 |
| Jucato | Riddel | 04:03 |
| Jucato | original maintainer would be mornfall though | 04:03 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell it is... I want a simple feature added. I guess I should file a wishe | 04:04 |
| Jucato | what feature would that be? | 04:04 |
| Jucato | a patch would be better than a wishie ehehe | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | patch for download script support | 04:09 |
| nosrednaekim | I don't know C++, but I coded up a little python script to do it. | 04:09 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess you can't call python from a C++ app. | 04:21 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: no | 04:22 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: well, hardly | 04:22 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess you COULD call a python script though. | 04:22 |
| nosrednaekim | as a os.sytem call | 04:22 |
| nosrednaekim | or whatever it is in C++ | 04:22 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: that you could, but it's usually easier to reimplement the original code | 04:22 |
| mhb | and faster and nicer and whatever :o) | 04:23 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah and seeing as how the original code is only 15 lines....:) | 04:23 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: however, the future of Adept is unsure | 04:23 |
| Jucato | it is? O.o | 04:23 |
| nosrednaekim | uhh oh. | 04:24 |
| === Jucato snickers | ||
| nosrednaekim | what are they going to replace it with? | 04:24 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: there was some gossip about creating a Python app for that, with KDE and GNOME frontends | 04:24 |
| Jucato | (eeek!) | 04:24 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 04:25 |
| nosrednaekim | sounds good. | 04:25 |
| mhb | Jucato: you're the upstream, so I guess you're screaming eeek! because you spent your whole day today in improving and porting adept to KDE4 :o) | 04:25 |
| nosrednaekim | lol | 04:25 |
| Jucato | hahah | 04:26 |
| Jucato | what's KDE4? | 04:26 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:26 |
| mhb | Jucato: from my point of view it's a complicated piece of software that should share its backend with the GNOME counterpart, but doesn't | 04:27 |
| mhb | Jucato: sharing backends is great. You know why? Because we can leave fixing bugs to the Ubuntu devs and our (KDE) app will be improving for free | 04:27 |
| mhb | and we can slack and write plasmoids or something | 04:28 |
| Jucato | yeah back/front ends are great | 04:28 |
| Jucato | no doubt about that | 04:28 |
| Jucato | and I guess the easiest frontend to use would be python, eh? | 04:29 |
| nosrednaekim | python a frontend? | 04:29 |
| nosrednaekim | huh? | 04:29 |
| mhb | frontend language, I guess | 04:29 |
| Jucato | PyKDE | 04:29 |
| mhb | yes, because the bindings are binaries anyway, so it's not very slow anyway | 04:29 |
| mhb | too much anyways :o) | 04:30 |
| nosrednaekim | PyKDE4 hasn't been released yet... I'm waiting VERY impatiently for it. | 04:30 |
| mhb | nixternal: hmm, not much help from the great gurus in #python | 04:30 |
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| mhb | nixternal: it seems that when you ask a simple question, they treat you like a simple programmer | 04:30 |
| nosrednaekim | not like the great and advanced mhb | 04:31 |
| nosrednaekim | savior of the kubuntu restricted-manager. | 04:31 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 04:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: which is probably for the best, but I always prefer not to be told about "change algorithms if you want to speed up" :o) | 04:31 |
| nosrednaekim | lol | 04:31 |
| === Jucato already thought that apt was the backend... probably what's needed is a middle-end? O.o | ||
| mhb | nosrednaekim: haha, I'm clueless when it comes to some subjects, but it's a bit boring when others assume you're totally clueless :o) | 04:32 |
| Jucato | oh well... don't mind me | 04:32 |
| mhb | Jucato: right | 04:32 |
| mhb | Jucato: actually | 04:32 |
| mhb | Jucato: dpkg is the backend | 04:32 |
| nosrednaekim | did you guys see the package kit thing? | 04:33 |
| mhb | Jucato: apt is a layer above it | 04:33 |
| nosrednaekim | that looks pretty nice | 04:33 |
| mhb | Jucato: then there's python-apt | 04:33 |
| Jucato | aaah the endless flow of backs and fronts | 04:33 |
| mhb | Jucato: then there could be a common core for the package managers | 04:33 |
| nosrednaekim | for which there is no DOCS | 04:33 |
| mhb | Jucato: then there's python-kde or pygtk :o) | 04:33 |
| Jucato | mhb: I just hope that this common package manager would be worked on "at the same time" from both Ubuntu and Kubuntu... and not Ubuntu first, then Kubuntu next release :( | 04:34 |
| nosrednaekim | to repeat my buried question. "did you see package-kit"? | 04:34 |
| Jucato | what package kit? | 04:34 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: nope, what's that? | 04:34 |
| mhb | Jucato: well, if you volunteer to implement it for Kubuntu, it will be so | 04:35 |
| nosrednaekim | dbus frintnd to various packagemanagers | 04:35 |
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| nosrednaekim | I can't type tonight.. sorry | 04:35 |
| Jucato | I mean the backend of course... anyway... don't mind me. just ranting hehe | 04:35 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: haven't seen it | 04:35 |
| nosrednaekim | currently I think there is a YUM and whatever-mandriva-uses interfaces to it. With an apt interface in progress. | 04:36 |
| nosrednaekim | but no KDE frontend yet. | 04:36 |
| === Jucato has issues with whatever backend/database adept_installer is using... | ||
| nosrednaekim | apt-get | 04:36 |
| nosrednaekim | python | 04:37 |
| nosrednaekim | python -kde | 04:37 |
| nosrednaekim | dpkg | 04:37 |
| Jucato | dbus eh... | 04:37 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 04:37 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah... it looks interesting. | 04:37 |
| nosrednaekim | especially the use cases | 04:37 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: you mean "He is allowed to install pre-approved software from the hogwart-corporate-build repo but not from any other repo." | 04:38 |
| nosrednaekim | lol... no the one with the open-office user automatically getting the clipart libraries. | 04:39 |
| mhb | the only problem I see in it ... is dbus | 04:40 |
| nosrednaekim | and whats wrong with that? | 04:40 |
| mhb | why using dbus for that? It doesn't make much sense. | 04:40 |
| nosrednaekim | why not? | 04:40 |
| nosrednaekim | there are d-bus bindings for every programming language. | 04:41 |
| Jucato | and dbus is becoming/has become a (fd.o) standard so... | 04:41 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I think it's like aiming a bazooka on a mosquito | 04:41 |
| Jucato | bah! I shouldn't get into technical discussions... | 04:41 |
| nosrednaekim | well... at least the mosquito is dead ;) | 04:42 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I guess so. I am just a fan of the old time backend-frontend relationship | 04:43 |
| Jucato | dbus could be considered backend or middle-end... | 04:43 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: if the frontend is coded well enough, the backend could be changed without the frontend changing a line of code | 04:43 |
| mhb | but I may be totally wrong | 04:44 |
| mhb | I'm not a dbus guru | 04:44 |
| Jucato | aaah the advantages of separating interface from implementation... | 04:44 |
| Jucato | just like in classes... | 04:44 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 04:45 |
| nosrednaekim | Ok, I have to go. | 04:45 |
| nosrednaekim | its getting late here | 04:45 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: late? it's 4:45 a.m. here :o) | 04:45 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: thought you were staying out of tech discussions;) | 04:46 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: thats not late.... thats early. | 04:46 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: not if you haven't slept yet | 04:46 |
| mhb | then it's late | 04:46 |
| nosrednaekim | its almost 11pm here | 04:46 |
| nosrednaekim | lol | 04:46 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: yeah... that was ajust a simple C++ remark :P | 04:46 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 04:46 |
| mhb | Jucato: separating interface from implementation can be done using templates | 04:46 |
| mhb | and classes | 04:46 |
| mhb | Jucato: no need to use dbus or jebus | 04:47 |
| Jucato | you took me too seriously :) | 04:47 |
| mhb | Jucato: and you still end up coding the library in either C/C++ | 04:47 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb is old fashioned. | 04:47 |
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| mhb | see you | 04:47 |
| nosrednaekim | yep | 04:47 |
| === Jucato is just reviewing his C++ book and is coincidentally on the topic of "Separating Interface from Implementation" | ||
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| mhb | Jucato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_C++_Design is what I'm reading | 04:51 |
| Jucato | hm.. ok thanks :) | 04:52 |
| Jucato | I'm still a beginner-level C++-er... so :) | 04:52 |
| mhb | Jucato: ah, yes, that's not for you. | 04:53 |
| Jucato | my book's exercises make me even feel more inadequate :/ | 04:53 |
| === Jucato will redo those later... | ||
| mhb | Jucato: you should be also reading the new tutorials on KDE's techbase | 04:54 |
| mhb | Jucato: it will take me a lot of time to adapt to all those new APIs :o) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | yeah. but I'm not laying my hands on anything Qt or KDE yet... I tried to, but haven't gotten my head around most of the object-oriented stuff | 04:54 |
| Jucato | don't worry, I don't have Qt/KDE 3 to corrupt my head yet :P | 04:55 |
| Jucato | I'm gonna start with Qt4 and KDE4 directly | 04:55 |
| mhb | Jucato: slightly off-topic, I wanted to create a simple plasmoid for showing all mounted drivers today. | 04:56 |
| Jucato | (anything KDE-related isn't offtopic to me :P) | 04:56 |
| mhb | Jucato: solid worked well, but when trying to adapt a plasma tutorial to my liking, I ended up with a widget that renders its top down corner only | 04:57 |
| Jucato | wasn't there a plasmoid for solid in playground? | 04:58 |
| Jucato | btw, thanks for the pointer to where those plasmoids where | 04:58 |
| mhb | Jucato: that's the downside of using unstable APIs - you never know whether your code or their code that's broken | 04:58 |
| mhb | also, it could be the tutorial code, because I was following it | 04:58 |
| Jucato | mhb: the advantage of starting late is that a) Qt 4 is very much stable already and b) by the tieme I get to KDE stuff, 4.0 would have been already released :) | 04:59 |
| mhb | Jucato: yeah. | 05:00 |
| mhb | Jucato: but I guess the real experience should be expected from 4.1. | 05:00 |
| mhb | Jucato: I would like to see a central point for progress bar like those mockups at kde-look suggested, or a common theme for notifications | 05:01 |
| Jucato | yeah. but by that time, I should be helping making the real experience in 4.1 :) | 05:01 |
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| nixternal | mhb: I noticed their attitude in there as well | 05:38 |
| jjesse | evening | 05:38 |
| nixternal | howdy jjesse | 05:38 |
| jjesse | howdy nixternal | 05:38 |
| nixternal | you and the wife enjoying the weekend? | 05:38 |
| jjesse | yeah we are, spent the afternoon at the aquariaum and the olympic park area before the storms hit | 05:39 |
| nixternal | good ol' olympic park | 05:39 |
| nixternal | you see the cnn building? | 05:39 |
| jjesse | yeah we did | 05:40 |
| nixternal | heh, my dad was there all week actually | 05:40 |
| jjesse | someone in the class i was teaching actually works for turner broadcasting | 05:40 |
| nixternal | eww | 05:40 |
| nixternal | I have been raised to dislike turner | 05:40 |
| jjesse | :) | 05:40 |
| nixternal | dad is a broadcast engineer..so I am not supposed to like abc, cbs, anything turner, and oprah :) | 05:41 |
| jjesse | he dislikes turner as well | 05:41 |
| jjesse | what are you supposed to like then? | 05:41 |
| jjesse | if you can't like cbs abc etc | 05:41 |
| nixternal | nothing I guess :) | 05:42 |
| jjesse | i can't wait to go get faster internet | 05:42 |
| jjesse | this hotel is so slow | 05:42 |
| nixternal | heh | 05:42 |
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| LongPointyStick | or have some other help system | 10:36 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: found the segfault for paired devices; will prepare a patch for you. | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: in kdebluetooth that is ;) | 11:07 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: awake? | 11:25 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: I'm moving kde4beta to kubuntu-members ppa | 11:59 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_, allee: File "/usr/bin/kblueplugd", line 13, in <module> import gobject | 12:08 |
| Riddell | ImportError: No module named gobject | 12:08 |
| Riddell | does it have to use gobject? why not qt? | 12:08 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, I didn't wrote that script, so maybe allee has its own reason for this | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: strange that you get that error, I didn't notice this before, lemme look | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: distutils.errors.DistutilsExecError: command 'kbluetooth' failed with exit status 255 | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I now get this, but the process launches.... | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I suspect that some changes in kbluetooth executable result that it doesn't launch correctly as a daemon | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll tru to get that fixed today | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | s/tru/try | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that it'll not detect unplug now cause the script crashes..... | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and I'll try to figure out why that gobject thing | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it's kbluetooth that seems to fail btw | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and yeah , the import gobject seems unused | 12:54 |
| Riddell | it's used | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hu ? | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: by what ? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | loop = gobject.MainLoop() | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oups, still sleeping hehe :) | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how would that we done with import qt ? | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | qt.MainLoop() ? ;) | 12:56 |
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| Tonio_ | oki I had a kde problem in my /var/tmp, no kbluetooth issue now | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll look at my python book on that gobject thing ;) | 01:00 |
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| Riddell | I doubt it'll say anything, it's a question of whether you can use the qt mainloop with dbus | 01:14 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki so I'll search the web :) | 01:30 |
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| freeflying | ridicuous, my strigi can not index anything | 02:36 |
| mhb | hi folks | 02:42 |
| Jucato | hi mhb | 02:42 |
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| nosrednaekim | hey mhb got enough sleep over the day? | 02:49 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: sure | 02:58 |
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| nosrednaekim | :) | 02:59 |
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| gustavonarea | Hello, everyone. Is it me or Kmail is unusable in Tribe 5? I've already reported 3 bugs on kmail (133857, 135787 and 136368), but Bug #136368 is the worst of all. If it's all due to the Enterprise branch, then why was it included so late (in Tribe 5, instead of Tribe 1)? | 03:34 |
| ubotu | Bug 136368 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136368 is private | 03:34 |
| mhb | gustavonarea: it's not you | 03:35 |
| mhb | gustavonarea: I can't really tell why it was included in Tribe 5, though | 03:36 |
| nixternal | Riddell: roger that | 03:38 |
| nixternal | mhb: do you ever sleep? | 03:38 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah.... but he sleeps during the day | 03:39 |
| mhb | during the morning, to be exact :o) | 03:39 |
| Jucato | vampire... | 03:39 |
| mhb | well, let's do some debugging | 03:40 |
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| allee | Riddell: I have chosen gobject, because it was the only one found in the python dbus tutorial. qt-dbus included no examples. Can you point to example code of qt-dbus event handling. kblueplugd need no x window. So a window less loop would be best suited | 03:50 |
| nixternal | Riddell: do you want me to continue on with the rest of the beta packages, or are you doing them now? | 03:57 |
| allee | great. Nothing depends on python-qt4-dbus already :( | 03:59 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: hi | 04:06 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've done kdebase and kdepim | 04:06 |
| Riddell | nixternal: just let me know if you start another one so we don't duplicate | 04:06 |
| Riddell | nixternal: and upload to kubuntu-members ppa | 04:06 |
| Riddell | allee: I don't know of any examples I'm afraid | 04:07 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: is kde4 ready to run inplace of kde3 | 04:07 |
| Riddell | although there must be something out there | 04:08 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: no | 04:08 |
| gnomefreak | ok i know release is fairly soon was just wondering | 04:08 |
| Riddell | it's not until december | 04:09 |
| gnomefreak | oh i was thinking october | 04:10 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: it was delayed | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | makes sense | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | looking at release schedule see how many betas they plan on | 04:11 |
| Jucato | do we have a sort of plan on how to go about the installation of KDE 4 on an existing KDE 3.5.x system? do we overwrite the default? install in a different path like we do right now? | 04:11 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: from 2, they added 2 more | 04:12 |
| Jucato | the first plan was only 2 betas | 04:12 |
| gnomefreak | they also pushed beta 1 where beta 2 should have been released it seems | 04:12 |
| nixternal | Riddell: thanks for the kdebase-workspace...that one threw me for a curve | 04:12 |
| Riddell | oh yes, that too | 04:12 |
| nixternal | I have just setup kubuntu-ppa in dput, so I am ready to go :) | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | beta2 was aug. 29th but seems beta was just released | 04:13 |
| Jucato | although it should be noted that the schedule talks about "tagging", which is a bit different from "release"... | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: you play with ppa yet? | 04:13 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 04:13 |
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| Riddell | gnomefreak: why? | 04:14 |
| gnomefreak | packages keep failing to upload (things that i should have checked for like licenses and crap | 04:14 |
| Jucato | silly Ctrl+Q... | 04:15 |
| nixternal | Riddell: kdepimlibs 4 or 5 :) | 04:15 |
| Riddell | the source package | 04:16 |
| gnomefreak | oh and you cant take back packages (once that is used than ill hate it less) | 04:16 |
| nixternal | gnomefreak: gotta do all of your checking before you upload first :p | 04:16 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: you can retry builds | 04:18 |
| Riddell | ppa doesn't care about licences | 04:18 |
| gnomefreak | yeah but if it uploads than fails to build i have to change version | 04:18 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: yes it does | 04:18 |
| gnomefreak | top left corner is the TOS | 04:19 |
| Riddell | but in general, using a ppa isn't a substitute for compiling it on your machine first to make sure it actually compiles and builds properly | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | it has to be a free license | 04:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ya, ppa does worry about licenses :) | 04:19 |
| nixternal | don't know what the list of acceptable licenses are, but it will complain on non-free licenses | 04:19 |
| Riddell | complain in which way? | 04:20 |
| nixternal | I believe it will reject the upload, or maybe it allows the upload but will FTBS due to the license | 04:20 |
| gnomefreak | i was missing one they wouldnt let me upload | 04:20 |
| gnomefreak | it wont reject it it stops it before it trys | 04:20 |
| nixternal | ahh, OK | 04:20 |
| Riddell | I wonder how it knows | 04:20 |
| nixternal | I can't remember exactly what Matt Revell stated about it | 04:20 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: I'm doing kde4edu | 04:24 |
| nixternal | annma would be proud :) | 04:24 |
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| Riddell | gnomefreak: "This PPA does not contain any packages yet." so you uploaded and it automatically rejected? | 04:28 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: if that is from my personal one i have gotten to that one yet | 04:29 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: im building for mozillateam PPA | 04:29 |
| Riddell | ah | 04:29 |
| gnomefreak | but it takes a bit of time beofre its accepted sometimes and even longer to build | 04:29 |
| gnomefreak | https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ | 04:30 |
| Riddell | yes, PPA will be low priority for the buildds | 04:30 |
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| === allee will google later for qt-dbus examples and rewrite kblueplugd | ||
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| mhb | Riddell: I've got some updates on the evil kpart bug 117731 | 04:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731 | 04:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: the interesting thing is, when you use edgy (so the apps work), there is an extra output line | 04:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: that isn't shown on an unaffected Gutsy machine | 04:56 |
| mhb | KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/ttyp0 | 04:57 |
| Riddell | have you tried recompiling the edgy kdelibs and base on gutsy and seeing if the problem occurs? | 04:58 |
| mhb | no, partly because recompiling anything on an affected machine (which is usually an older one) takes forever | 04:59 |
| mhb | also I've no idea if KDE 3.5.5 will compile | 04:59 |
| mhb | but I'll try it later today | 04:59 |
| mhb | on a different i386 machine | 05:00 |
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| allee | Uhm, kmail and konqueror, 'refuse' to download anything. With feisty it was enough to stop knetworkmanager. Not working with gusty anymore :( | 05:32 |
| Riddell | even if you quit knetworkmanager? | 05:33 |
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| allee | Riddell: yes :( | 05:58 |
| Riddell | allee: if you stop network manager daemon? | 05:59 |
| allee | Riddell: Argl, found it. Played with networkstatustestservice at work and it was restored at home. I killed it and now konqueror | 06:01 |
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| allee | QT dbus problem: import dbus.mainloop.qt => ImportError: No module named qt See file:///usr/share/doc/python-qt4-doc/html/pyqt4ref.html#the-dbus-support-module There's only dbus/mainloop.so in python-qt4-dbus, not .py. apt-file search dbus/mainloop/qt finds no .py too. Can a python class be defined without any .py file? | 06:26 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 06:27 |
| ScottK | What happens if just open a Python shell and "import qt" | 06:28 |
| allee | ScottK: Nothing import qt is the line before import dbus.mainloop.qt ;) I've checked in python interacively and import qt is okay | 06:29 |
| ScottK | OK | 06:29 |
| ScottK | To answer your question though, I believe that you can import a C extension just fine if it's properly built, etc. | 06:31 |
| mhb | hmm | 06:34 |
| mhb | no subdirs in /usr/share/python-support/python-dbus/dbus/mainloopp | 06:34 |
| mhb | it's just __init__.py and glib.py | 06:34 |
| mhb | and python-qt4 sources have a dbus/ directory with what I dare presume is the binding | 06:37 |
| mhb | but looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-qt4.list I don't see any dbus files installed | 06:38 |
| mhb | allee: I guess you have tried building your own python-qt4, haven't you? | 06:39 |
| allee | mhb: no. | 06:40 |
| mhb | allee: judging by the information I posted above, I think it might be worth a shot | 06:40 |
| allee | hmm, with 64 kbit link? no fun ;) | 06:41 |
| mhb | allee: okay, I'll do it for ya :o) | 06:41 |
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| mhb | The dbus support module will be installed in | 06:43 |
| mhb | /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/mainloop. | 06:43 |
| mhb | that seems okay, I wonder if it will build it correctly as well | 06:44 |
| mhb | allee: bingo! | 06:55 |
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| mhb | allee: in order to get that module to load, you have to a) fetch the python-qt4 sources and have build-deps | 06:56 |
| mhb | b) python configure.py | 06:56 |
| mhb | c) cd dbus/; make; sudo make install | 06:56 |
| mhb | allee: also, the Ubuntu package should provide that by default, someone should be notified about it | 06:57 |
| mhb | allee: hmm... or, of course, install python-qt4-dbus | 06:59 |
| mhb | :D | 06:59 |
| mhb | silly me for not checking it first | 06:59 |
| mhb | I was looking for a workaround so hard I forgot to check the debian/ dir :o) | 07:00 |
| mhb | allee: so, there you go | 07:02 |
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| allee | mhb: thx. In c): what does make install install that is not in the pkgs? | 07:55 |
| mhb | allee: nothing, see my later comments - it's in the python-qt4-dbus | 07:57 |
| mhb | allee: I didn't know it's separated like that | 07:57 |
| allee | mhb: I'm confused I've python-qt4-dbus installed. that's the pkgs with only the dbus/mainloop/qt.so file | 07:58 |
| allee | oh, python-qt4 source + build dep are 4,3 hours to go :( | 07:59 |
| duccio | Hi all...I'm new! How can I contribute to kubuntu development? | 08:00 |
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| Riddell | duccio: please do | 08:00 |
| Riddell | but you need to tell us a bit about your skills | 08:00 |
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| _Sime | mhb: I'm not sure if PyQt4 supports DBus. | 08:01 |
| Riddell | documentation, packaging, bug triage, bug fixing, programming, testing are all areas of help | 08:01 |
| _Sime | mhb: you can use the normal DBus bindings though. | 08:01 |
| duccio | ok | 08:01 |
| duccio | I'm Italian...so my English is not perfect | 08:02 |
| Riddell | ciao | 08:02 |
| duccio | I am an Informatic Engineer | 08:02 |
| duccio | University of Siena | 08:02 |
| allee | _Sime: according to file:///usr/share/doc/python-qt4-doc/html/pyqt4ref.html#the-dbus-support-module it does. And there a dbus/mainloop/qt.so in python-qt4-dbus | 08:02 |
| duccio | i've finished my study one year ago | 08:02 |
| _Sime | allee: mmm... I reserve the right to be wrong. ;) I know that the normal DBus bindings work with Qt and teh glib event loop. | 08:03 |
| allee | _Sime: problem is I for import qt then import dbus.mainloop.qt -> ImportError: No module named qt | 08:03 |
| duccio | i don't know much about ubuntu way of development | 08:04 |
| allee | _Sime: kblueplugd works with glib eventloop already. But Riddel (and me) would like to have it g* free ;) | 08:05 |
| duccio | but i'm interested on helping develop | 08:05 |
| duccio | so...what should i do? | 08:06 |
| Riddell | duccio: documentation, packaging, bug triage, bug fixing, programming, testing are all areas of help | 08:06 |
| Riddell | duccio: any of those sound interesting? | 08:07 |
| _Sime | allee: the dbus module is probably built on the C dbus implementation which in turn uses glib. | 08:07 |
| _Sime | allee: I'm not sure if you can avoid glib. | 08:07 |
| duccio | i think that bug fixing and programming sounds good | 08:07 |
| duccio | but i don't know how much time I can assure | 08:08 |
| duccio | Should I read some documentation? | 08:10 |
| allee | _Sime: well would be nice to not use import gobject and import dbus.mainloop.glib. But on the other hand and a bit more important. import dbus.mainloop.qt fails. And that's a bug that need to be fixed ;) But as this happens during the 2nd iteration of my first python script im pretty glueless what goes wrong | 08:10 |
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| duccio | Riddell: next step I should do? | 08:14 |
| mhb | allee: it won't fail if you've python-qt4-dbus install | 08:17 |
| mhb | allee: at least it won't fail for me anymore | 08:17 |
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| Riddell | duccio: I have a small programming task that needs doing | 08:17 |
| _Sime | is this all on gutsy? | 08:18 |
| duccio | ok | 08:18 |
| Riddell | duccio: our splash screen create a cache of the image, which means when we get a new wallpaper the splash still shows the old image | 08:18 |
| allee | mhb: ii python-qt4-dbus 4.3-2ubuntu4 DBus Support for PyQt4 | 08:18 |
| duccio | i understand | 08:18 |
| allee | mhb: 'always' was installed | 08:18 |
| Riddell | duccio: if you know shell, this could probably be fixed in startkde from kdebase | 08:18 |
| mhb | allee: was it? Well, I didn't have it installed | 08:19 |
| allee | mhb: and import qt ; import dbus.mainloop.qt works now for you without error? | 08:19 |
| Riddell | duccio: apt-get source kdebase and edit startkde to check if /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png is newer than $KDEHOME/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/ | 08:19 |
| mhb | allee: right... | 08:19 |
| mhb | allee: hmm, but it may be because of that first compile-it-yourself | 08:20 |
| duccio | yes...i think so, but i've never work on this | 08:20 |
| allee | mhb: maybe. | 08:20 |
| mhb | allee: but I have only qt.so in there, so that is the correct state | 08:21 |
| duccio | ok.. | 08:21 |
| duccio | ... | 08:22 |
| duccio | (download the source code) | 08:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Do you think it would be possible to arrange it so that kubuntu-members PPA didn't send FTBFS messages to everyone in kubuntu-members? | 08:23 |
| mhb | allee: I think I see the culprit | 08:23 |
| mhb | allee: are you there? | 08:24 |
| Riddell | ScottK: hmm, possibly we should start yet another team for this | 08:25 |
| mhb | sudo ln -s /usr/lib/python2.5/dbus/mainloop/qt.so /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/mainloop/qt.so | 08:25 |
| mhb | allee: ^^ do this and tell me what happens | 08:25 |
| duccio | ...i'm editing startkde... | 08:26 |
| duccio | ok | 08:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'm not an expert in how to deal with it, but I think that the FTBFS messages out to somehow just go to whoever did the upload. | 08:27 |
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| duccio | Riddell: i'm very slow because i don't know this language.. | 08:35 |
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| allee | mhb: you're my hero! Works. I wanted to check this, but didn't found yet how to get the MODULE path python search ;) | 08:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I found the problem in kdebluetooth, its hasBonding() that crashes the Paired/Trusted Devices. | 08:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: im not quite sure how to fix it though :( | 08:40 |
| mhb | allee: so it WAS a package problem. | 08:40 |
| allee | ^^ IS ;) | 08:40 |
| mhb | allee: true, but I'll try to change that soon-ish. :o) | 08:40 |
| nosrednaekim | is this the Kmail problem? | 08:41 |
| ScottK | allee: To add it to your Python path, import sys and then insert the path to your module in sys.path | 08:41 |
| allee | mbh: hmm, why in /var/lib/python. Sounds somehow wrong place (and dpkg -S var/lib/python2.5 find's nothing) | 08:42 |
| ScottK | mhb: ^^ | 08:42 |
| allee | ScottK: thx!!!! :) | 08:43 |
| mhb | allee: no | 08:43 |
| duccio | Riddell: What documentation should I read to understand the syntax of startkde? | 08:43 |
| mhb | allee: /var/lib/python-support is used by many packages | 08:44 |
| mhb | allee: the error lies elsewhere - the Python interpreter find dbus.mainloop | 08:44 |
| mhb | allee: finds it in /var/lib/python-support/... | 08:44 |
| allee | bedtime for the kids. bbl | 08:45 |
| mhb | allee: but the qt.so is elsewhere, thus it cannot be found | 08:45 |
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| duccio | Riddell: if [/usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png -nt $KDEHOME/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin] ; then echo "newer" else echo "older" | 08:53 |
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| duccio | Riddell: I read some about shell and I came back next days...it's ok? | 08:58 |
| duccio | bye all | 09:00 |
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| mhb | there is something rotten in the state of python-qt4 | 09:51 |
| manchicken__ | Does xgl screw with keymappings? | 09:52 |
| manchicken__ | mhb: Is there? Are you talking about the "C/C++ Object Deleted" error? | 09:52 |
| manchicken__ | I was getting that the other day. I'm trying to learn Python and scratch an itch with a little Python app to manage my resolv.conf and routes. | 09:53 |
| Riddell | mhb: not that I know of, why? | 09:54 |
| mhb | manchicken__: not actually, I am starting with compilation | 09:54 |
| mhb | Riddell: well, if you have read the conversation with allee today, there is a bug that prevents dbus to work with Qt4 | 09:54 |
| mhb | Riddell: I am trying to fix it, and while debuilding pyqt4 the whole compilation of it is running twice | 09:55 |
| Riddell | hmm, I thought doko had changed that | 09:55 |
| Riddell | one build is for debug version | 09:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: ah, that makes sense | 09:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: well, in current version of the source the qt.so file is moved from /var/lib/python-support to /usr/lib/python2.5/, which breaks it | 09:58 |
| mhb | Riddell: because all the other python-dbus files are in /var/lib/... | 09:58 |
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| Riddell | has doko done an upload if it recently? | 10:04 |
| mhb | 24th | 10:04 |
| mhb | and yes, there is a fix dbus install location changelog entry | 10:05 |
| mhb | Riddell: in what way was it fixed then? Was moving to /usr/lib/python2.5/ the fix? If so, why? | 10:05 |
| mhb | I have the most recent version of python-dbus, which resides in /var/lib/python-support | 10:06 |
| mhb | lets ask him | 10:07 |
| manchicken__ | Okay, so /usr/bin/X is now a dead link... | 10:08 |
| manchicken__ | I'm guessing that it's supposed to point to /usr/bin/Xorg? | 10:08 |
| mhb | manchicken__: works here | 10:08 |
| crimsun | x11-common should provide /usr/bin/X | 10:08 |
| Riddell | I don't know what was changed | 10:09 |
| manchicken__ | Should reconfiguring x11-common fix that? | 10:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I need some feedback from as many KDE devs as possible...would posting to kde-core-devel be my best bet, or is there a better route? | 10:09 |
| mhb | nixternal: sounds right to me, if you ask me (but you do not :o) | 10:11 |
| nixternal | muhah | 10:11 |
| manchicken__ | Ahh, I figured out why Xgl is running all the time now. | 10:11 |
| nixternal | yeehaw! | 10:12 |
| allee | mhb: when you fix python, check why qeventloop.html talks about exec_(...). It's not exec_(...) it's exec_loop(...). Hah, and loop.exec_loop() gives a SEGV. Great :( | 10:12 |
| allee | mhb: err, python-qt that is | 10:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it depends what the question is | 10:13 |
| nixternal | Riddell: trying to get a list of apps that are ready for people to start doing doc work on...my blog post got about 10 new people interested in helping out KDE with docs | 10:13 |
| mhb | allee: hmm, interesting. Perhaps _Sime was right that dbus in pyqt4 being broken | 10:14 |
| mhb | allee: I fixed the packages, but I need to know why doko changed it in the first place... perhaps I lack knowledge of the greater scheme | 10:15 |
| mhb | allee: could you pastebin your crashing code for my easier testing experience? :o) | 10:17 |
| allee | mhb: okay. Let's see what he thinks about it. | 10:17 |
| allee | mhb: wait .. | 10:17 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kde-core-devel is for libraries mostly, not apps | 10:18 |
| allee | http://paste.debian.net/35995 | 10:18 |
| allee | ^^ mhb | 10:18 |
| Riddell | allee: does that work? | 10:19 |
| allee | Riddell: no, it SEGV at the end when entering the eventloop loop.exec_loop() :( | 10:20 |
| mhb | allee: that segvs? Not here, I'm afraid | 10:22 |
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| mhb | allee: unable to execute kbluetooth: No such file or directory | 10:23 |
| mhb | allee: ^^ is that a block to the segfault? | 10:23 |
| tmske_ | I'm trying to connect to the internet with knetworkmanager, but at 57% I get an connection error, but it looks like I can connect for some programs, konversation for example :-) but some can not connect, like konqueror | 10:24 |
| tmske_ | but those programs can only connect if I use dhclient manually | 10:24 |
| allee | mhb: eh? you have no /usr/bin/kbluetooth ? | 10:24 |
| allee | mhb: here output is like: ... | 10:24 |
| allee | waiting for bt device (un)plug events ... | 10:24 |
| allee | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 10:24 |
| allee | mhb: so it's he loop.exec_loop() | 10:24 |
| allee | mhb: interesting is I changed it to loop.exec_loop(QEventLoop.AllEvents), which according to the exec_() the default. But: too many arguments to QEventLoop.exec_loop(), 0 at most expected | 10:26 |
| allee | mhb: better missing docs than wrong one ;) | 10:26 |
| mhb | allee: what package is it in? | 10:27 |
| tmske_ | it's really strange; in kopete jabber works, but msn doesn't work | 10:28 |
| mhb | allee: kdebluetooth I guess | 10:28 |
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| allee | mhb: yes | 10:29 |
| mhb | allee: oh my, I've tried to update it and now dpkg return an error code because of a overwriting library | 10:30 |
| allee | mhb: did you removed he sym link you've created? | 10:31 |
| mhb | allee: ah, fixed. Right, it segfaults. | 10:32 |
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| mhb | allee: by the way, why are you using Qt3 and the Qt Dbus bindings? | 10:35 |
| mhb | allee: it's not really nice | 10:35 |
| allee | mhb: hmm, man QEventLoop says exec() without args. | 10:36 |
| mhb | AFAIK, the dbus bindings are only for Qt4 | 10:36 |
| allee | mhb: I asssume qt4. mhmm, what does import qt do? | 10:36 |
| mhb | imports Qt3 | 10:36 |
| allee | mhb: oh sh*t | 10:37 |
| mhb | allee: http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/introduction-pyqt4/ | 10:37 |
| mhb | short version: from PyQt4 import QtCore, QtGui | 10:38 |
| mhb | allee: although I am usually using the uglier: | 10:38 |
| mhb | from PyQt4.QtGui import * | 10:38 |
| mhb | from PyQt4.QtCore import * | 10:38 |
| manchicken | Naughty naughty :) | 10:38 |
| allee | mhb: yeah qt.qVersion -> 3.3.7 | 10:39 |
| mhb | allee: Qt4's QEventLoop seems to be fine | 10:42 |
| mhb | exec_ like the API says | 10:42 |
| allee | mhb: you don't get: QEventLoop: Cannot be used without QApplication | 10:43 |
| mhb | allee: you need a QApp alright, is there a reason not to create one? | 10:43 |
| allee | mhb: hmm, I assume it's okay. | 10:47 |
| mhb | allee: it seems not to crash | 10:48 |
| mhb | allee: but I have no bluetooth devices at home to prove it | 10:48 |
| allee | mhb: I'll test here. | 10:49 |
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| allee | mhb: seem not to work :( Nothing printed on addition/removal. Uh, and ignoes ctrl-c too :( | 10:57 |
| mhb | allee: uh oh. Well, let me take a look at the code. I should learn the new APIs of KDE4 anyway. | 10:58 |
| Riddell | nixternal: rest of kde4beta uploaded (except bindings) | 10:59 |
| Riddell | nixternal: if you are wanting to do more, it needs uploaded to feisty in the ppa | 10:59 |
| allee | mhb: me too :) Here's my current version: http://paste.debian.net/36000 | 11:03 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: I will work on it here in a few...that will give me something to do tonight | 11:11 |
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| mhb | allee: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2007-January/015193.html | 11:20 |
| mhb | allee: read that? | 11:20 |
| mhb | and tried that? | 11:21 |
| allee | mhb: I'll do... | 11:22 |
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| allee | mhb: heh, works: http://paste.debian.net/index.php | 11:26 |
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| allee | mhb: ^^ I tested with plug/unplug a second bt device. (Before I stoped kblueoothd by hand) | 11:27 |
| allee | mhb: can you upload to main? | 11:27 |
| mhb | allee: nope | 11:28 |
| allee | mhb: k | 11:28 |
| allee | mhb: only strange thing is. kblueplugd ignores ctrl-c, killall lblueplugd or the other hand works | 11:29 |
| nosrednaekim | its a daemon.... daemons aren't killed with ctrl+c' | 11:31 |
| allee | nosrednaekim: it's not a daemon. I did detach from tty and don't fork into background. It's a little qt app and those can be usually killed by ctrl-c | 11:32 |
| mhb | allee: you *did* detach from tty? | 11:33 |
| allee | mhb: eh, sorry I didn't. | 11:33 |
| allee | http://paste.debian.net/36001 | 11:34 |
| allee | well, as it's normally autostarted in background during login. Not reacting to Ctrl-C is not a real problem. Still anoying for test, and more anoying that I don't understand yet why the signal get's blocked | 11:37 |
| allee | Riddell: ^^ so if you don't care: http://paste.debian.net/36001 uses qt + dbus | 11:38 |
| allee | time for bed. Nite | 11:39 |
| mhb | good work allee | 11:40 |
| mhb | goodnight | 11:40 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: you can probably upload with feisty-backports in the ppa and it should pick up qt 4.3 | 12:17 |
| Riddell | mhb: do you have a fix for python-qt4-dbus then? | 12:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: a debdiff? Almost, but I'd like to ask doko first. He must have had a reason for it to break. | 12:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: what do I need to move around? just to test allee's script | 12:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: scroll up a bit and find my message about a "sudo ln -s" | 12:20 |
| Riddell | groovy, that seems to work | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you forgot the -0ubuntu1 part on the kdebluetooth version number | 12:24 |
| Riddell | I've uploaded it with allee's new qt happy script | 12:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: send doko an e-mail is probably the best way to ask | 12:25 |
| mhb | Riddell: okay | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks a lot :) | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah, I forgot that dch uses 1 by default instead of 0ubuntu1.... sorry | 12:38 |
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