elite101now you will be in a page with "fadded out wrighting and sites"12:36
knappWhen I click listen, mplayer tries to play it but cant12:36
elite101not click able?12:36
elite101is there a "complete upgrade" icon you can click on?12:37
elite101its plus12:37
elite101its blue*12:37
versi cant click manage repositories12:37
elite101are you running off the livecd? :S12:37
elite101mhm lol12:37
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elite101i dont know why? did you try installing something with adept befor?12:38
elite101have you ever used adept befor?12:38
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ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 12:38
elite101well that doesnt apply12:38
vers??what do u mean12:39
elite101well i dont know exactly what to do because i bet someone in here is watching me and going "nope your doing it all wrong elite101"12:39
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elite101lol i dont know why the button is not clickable?12:39
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versyeah...well it doesnt seem like anybody has the balls tho12:40
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versthanks for your help elite10112:40
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:40
evjunior09Is there a place that sells Laptops without OS, so i can install Kubuntu on it?12:40
damaltorsells pcs without os12:40
elite101they have the balls its just they aleady did it and there probably eating super12:41
damaltoror even with linux on them12:41
evjunior09at a Store tho12:41
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verstru..im just messing around12:41
elite101why is it when its queit then 10people have to talk at once?12:41
evjunior09I know dell has them with Linux, but i dont wanna pay 800.0012:41
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:41
versthere are some helpful people on here12:41
versthis is my first time on a linux system12:41
evjunior09Ha. have fun. :)12:42
mrksbrdelite101, what r u trying to do?12:42
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versi know12:42
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:42
versenable universe12:42
verson my box12:42
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evjunior09Anyone know of a store that sells laptops without an Operating System?12:42
evjunior09Dell's cheapest is 800.0012:43
verscan acnyone help12:43
evjunior09Im not paying 800.00 so they can install kubuntu when i can do it for fee12:43
evjunior09Vers: help on what?12:43
mrksbrdevjunior09, u live in us??12:43
versyour paying 800 for the machine12:43
elite101enableing Multi-universe12:43
evjunior09mrksbrd: yes12:43
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damaltoropen the fuile /etc/apt/sources.list12:43
Kartievjunior09: Dell has started a new range and the laptop I looked at was ?30012:43
evjunior09Michigan actully.12:43
versenabling universe12:43
damaltorand uncomment the multiverse lines12:43
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evjunior09Karti: where did you see this?12:44
elite101laptop 300$???? :\12:44
verscommand not found12:44
versi dont know what im doing12:45
elite101? its a command12:45
evjunior09Vers: its going to take a while to get used to.12:45
Kartievjunior09: just getting the website now12:45
versi know12:45
evjunior09I know how you feel, it took me like 4 months to fully understand how to work it all, and im not computer dumb.12:45
versi know sudo and stuff12:45
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evjunior09Karti: Okay thanks12:45
mrksbrdelite101,  u using adept manager?12:46
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:46
elite101vers, you dont know what your doing12:46
versi do12:46
elite101sudo kdesu /etc/apt/source.list DURRR12:46
elite101well then12:46
elite101did u do that?12:46
verscommand not found12:46
damaltorsudo kdesu??12:46
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elite101yeah lol it works :)12:46
damaltorkdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list12:47
elite101like fstab12:47
knappHow do I make realplayer 10 play media in firefox instead of mplayer?12:47
elite101yeah and kate after12:47
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damaltorkdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list12:47
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:47
elite101sudo kdesu kate yadda yadda yadda ;)12:47
Kartievjunior09: managed to find US version - http://www.dell.com/content/products/results.aspx/vostronb?~ck=anav&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&a=12~0~33&navla=12~0~3312:47
verswell.....i guess...i dont know12:47
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tekstacy'lo all12:48
versthanks everyone12:48
mrksbrdknapp, not sure you can, u may have to d/l the file & open it w/realplayer12:48
tekstacyIs there a good replacement for Real-player?12:48
mrksbrdonly plugins I have come across so far that work in firefox are the default mplayer ones12:49
knappI need to get mplayer working again then.12:49
evjunior09tekstacy: Amarok12:49
elite101tekstacy, VLC?12:49
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elite101realplayer sucks12:49
evjunior09Yes it does/12:49
versits was b/c symantec was open i think12:49
elite101it always has problems12:49
knappI'm trying to listen to NPR.com.  I click listen, then it goes to buffereing 0%, then it says stop.12:49
tekstacyelite vlc?12:49
elite101why cant the website use a .flv player? or a mpegplayer?12:49
elite101dont use that12:49
elite101its not a plugin*12:49
elite101its a Mediaplayer very good one but it wont help you on a website that requiers Realplayer12:50
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:51
mrksbrdknapp, let me check12:51
tekstacyUm, another question, is it possible to survive as a pc technician without having M$ shit on my laptop?12:51
tekstacy:)   Still sort of new to linux12:51
Kartitekstacy: as a contractor, we can expect about ?10/$20 extra per hour for linux/unix engineers ;)12:52
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Kartiyou in America?12:52
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:52
tekstacyyup, DE12:52
knappCan someone tell me if this works for them: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13966259 ?12:52
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elite101im canadian12:52
knappor anything on NPR12:52
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evjunior09Elite101: i love Canada12:53
elite101and i hate uu too12:53
elite101lol JK12:53
KartiI will give you a website that will gve you an idea, just translate the ? to $12:53
elite101man if i could make money learing i would make billions lol Jk12:53
tekstacyknapp, it didn't work for me12:54
damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?12:54
tekstacyIs it possible to make Windows drivers work under kubuntu12:54
Arwenunless they're print or network12:55
Kartitekstacy: Have a look here, it gives yo a vast amount of data. Just look up linux - http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/12:55
mrksbrdtekstacy, some do, u can try ndiswrapper12:56
tekstacyKarti, hey thankat's cools, th12:56
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tekstacycrap, er "Thanks, that's cool"....  time to trim nails....12:56
mrksbrdknapp, i just tried npr.com & i was able to listen12:57
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tekstacymrksbrd, I used that to make my wireless work in my last laptop, but it was sort of a pia12:57
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mrksbrdtekstacy, where in de do u live?12:58
tekstacyDelaware USA12:58
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mrksbrdwhere though?12:58
mrksbrdjust curious cause i work in new castle12:58
mrksbrdlol...thats funny12:58
DannilionI live near a Newcastle12:59
mrksbrdwhat r u trying to do stacy??12:59
KartiEhhec...... I went to school in Newcastle.......but the Geordie, North of England one  ;)12:59
Dannilionthat be the one I live near12:59
tekstacyThinkin of working around there next year. Like pc tech I guess, not reall sure yet01:00
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tekstacyplenty of yuppies there to live off of01:01
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mrksbrdtekstacy, northern new castle maybe01:01
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damaltorkann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?01:02
tekstacyTechnically, I live in Bear, but I figure I'll end up spending alot of time in Newark and Wilmington01:02
mrksbrdbetter go up to hockessin if u want yuppies01:02
mrksbrdu off of rte 40?01:03
evjunior09So okay im not quite understanding this. Linux is so much better than Mac, and Windows. and its free, so why dont school's use it?01:03
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evjunior09like it dosent make sence to watse money on Window's01:03
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tekstacyyeah, right where 40 and 1 meet01:03
sea4everHi All!01:03
tekstacyHi sea01:04
Kartievjunior09: Because when Kids go home, they tend to have WIndows on their systems01:04
tekstacyevjunior, give it time01:04
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KartiALthough in Italy, a school went Linux and gave out 20,000 free Live CDs so they could have the same systems at home01:05
evjunior09Karti: See thats how it should be here01:05
DirrtysAdmiral_Chicago is here?01:05
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KartiI agree, desktops are in good conditions with Novel and Redhat01:05
tekstacySomewhere on the ubuntu site is a list of major school and govt systems that run linux01:06
KartiEspecially at Enterprise level01:06
evjunior09Whats the difference between Redhat and Kubuntu?01:06
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mrksbrdredhat is more business oriented....kububtu is more user friendly01:07
tekstacydifferent distrobutions, different flavors.01:07
sea4everone begins with R the other with a K01:07
KartiThat is a long story.....different distrributions, but Red Hat you pay for support01:07
mrksbrdkubuntu = more for the newbie!!!01:07
evjunior09oh okay i see. I have Kubuntu. :)01:07
tekstacydamn my spelling sucks tonight01:07
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evjunior09tekstacy: its okay. :))01:07
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KartiI moved to Kubuntu about 4 months ago and I love it. The community support is excellent01:08
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tekstacyBrand new laoptop, fresh install. Any suggestions for "must haves"?01:08
KartiDepends what you want to do with it01:09
evjunior09Karti: yeah i love it too.01:09
evjunior09Man i want a laptop, so i can install Kubuntu on it. I want freedom from my Desktop.01:09
evjunior09Not that im on alot, but its nice to be away from this room.01:09
Kartievjunior09: Buy one?01:10
tekstacyI do a little bit of everything with it. Mostly entertain myself01:10
evjunior09Karti: well i dont exactly have the money to go out and buy one, and i dont want one with an OS because if i buy one from Dell, they'll charge me extra for the installation of Linux01:10
tekstacyevjunior Asus is coming out with some new inexpensive linux-based laptops01:10
evjunior09now i know it dosent say they do, but i can pretty much guarintee you they do.01:10
tekstacyOne starts around $20001:10
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Kartitekstacy: I normally have th efollowing on a basic install - KPlato, for Project Management, Quanta+ and NVU for website design, Gimp, Xara X, Scribus and Inkscape for graphics01:12
evjunior09Tekstacy: where at?01:12
Kartievjunior09: Go ebay and get a second hand one01:12
evjunior09Karti: Good idea. ha i didnt even think of Ebay01:13
Kartievjunior09: http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Laptops-Notebooks_W0QQfromZR4QQsacatZ51148QQsocmdZListingItemListQQssPageNameZdcpComputersTextFeat01:13
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evjunior09Karti: thanks!01:14
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tekstacyKarti, thanks, I'll check them out01:14
tekstacyevj, now, kent island, MD01:14
Kartievjunior09: That way you could learn to do the install and perfect the driver issues yo might come across01:15
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tekstacyevj, you can ebay new ones too pretty cheap and still get a warenty01:15
Kartitekstacy: no probs, though I also use Crossover for some apps01:15
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tekstacywhat is Crossover?01:16
Kartitekstacy: allows you to use windows applications in Linux01:16
tekstacyAnd is there anything like VirtualPC?01:16
tekstacyoic   :01:16
evjunior09does Crossover work?01:16
KartiYou can use Virtual Box or Xen01:16
evjunior09Ive tried WINE and that sucks.01:16
helloyoi need to format my whole harddrive, is there an easy way to do this without downloading a new boot CD?01:17
Kartievjunior09: I use it without issues (generally)01:17
evjunior09so would AIM (AOL instant messanger) work?01:17
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about crossover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:18
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KartiIf you visit the website it should tell you, however I believe that you can use AIM on linux anyway through one of the free versions01:18
evjunior09I couldnt get it to install. Unless you could help me.01:18
evjunior09Ive tried so many times.01:18
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evjunior09and i dont like Giam, or Kopete.01:19
helloyois there a way to format the partition that i'm using?01:19
Kartievjunior09: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/01:19
tekstacyis there something like crossover only free?   :)01:19
Kartitekstacy: Yes its called Wine01:19
evjunior09Oh wait, Crossover isnt free?01:19
evjunior09Tekstacy: WINE isnt very good.01:19
tekstacyDamn, that didn't work for the app I needed01:19
Kartiits about $30 and they give you support for a time, its also a full trial for 30 days01:20
sanzanricis it possible to create a new /home automatically move all my data there, with no space left on the hard drive?01:20
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helloyosanzanric: if i understand you properly, nope01:20
evjunior09Anyone wanna help me install AIM?01:20
tekstacyok, I may break down and *gasp* buy software01:20
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helloyoevjunior09: i doubt anyone would want to do that, but someone might01:20
KartiWine is teh free version so to speak01:20
evjunior09Karti: Which version do i download? I have Kubuntu Fiesty.01:21
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tekstacyevjunoir, just install gaim, it works with aim, plus more, and is in the repository01:22
helloyoevjunior09: you'd get the debian 3+ version, but that looks atrocious01:22
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Kartitry the Debian 3 + or the targz01:23
helloyoevjunior09: why would you want to use that over gaim or kopete?01:23
evjunior09i dont like both of them01:23
tekstacyoff for smoke break, bbl01:23
KartiI agree with helloyo, gaim and kopete are fine01:23
Kartitekstacy: byeeeeeeeee01:24
helloyoevjunior09: and you like that? its not going to be like aim on windows, that looks very limited01:24
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tekstacyum, nvrmnd, that's why I spent all that money on  a PORTABLE computer    :)01:24
helloyocan i use the ubuntu cd to wipe my harddrive without installing or partitioning?01:25
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evjunior09Karti: how come it says not found?01:25
Kartihelloyo: CAn't you just get a boot floopy?01:25
evjunior09sudo: /home/mike/Desktop/aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb: command not found01:25
Kartior floppy even01:26
Kartievjunior09: have you downloaded it?01:26
tekstacyWill Crossover run WoW?01:26
evjunior09Karti: yes.01:26
sanzanricwine should be able to run wow01:26
helloyoKarti: i don't have a floppy drive attached, maybe the ubuntu live environment has a partitioner...01:26
evjunior09whats wow?01:26
tekstacyWorld of Warcraft, my friends keep trying to suck me in01:27
evjunior09*No effence*01:27
Kartitekstacy: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/group/?app_parent=2632;01:28
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tekstacyI know, I watch them staring into the computer for hours on end engaged in pointless....    shit, wait a minute....01:28
Kartihelloyo: I use two cds one is Hirons and the other is the Ultimate Boot CD. They have all the tools to do the work you require, as I am not sure if you can do it from the command line. However, you could always try from the CL to format it01:29
helloyoKarti: thanks, i'll have a look into them01:30
tekstacyWill I really NEED to learn CLI for linux?01:30
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DirrtysKarti what can NVU do that Quanta can't ...I have never used it?01:31
Kr4t05|Lappytekstacy: Not always. There are some simple tools that come in handy. But, most normal use can be done with GUI apps.01:31
Kartihelloyo: the Ultimate CD is legal the Hiron one has some pirate software, but Ultimate (last time I looked) has all the manufacturors Hard Drive toolss for low level or normal format etc01:31
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helloyoKarti: great, i'll get it01:32
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Kartihelloyo: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/01:32
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tekstacyBut it would be helpful?01:32
helloyoKarti: cheers01:32
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Kartitekstacy: I like the CL, I find it faster and it gets me familiar with the system. I can generally use the CL using instructions for Ubuntu and Kubuntu or even other similar distros, without having the GUIs installed01:33
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tekstacyI guess I will have to learn it eventually.01:34
Kartistart early - learn easy01:34
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tekstacyHey, which is better to have LPIC1 or Linux+?01:34
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bloberHELP: in starting istanbul (for recording my desktop), i failes to start and complains about it not having a "gconf" python module, anyone has a tip o that i can resolve this, i _supose_ it is gstreamer stuff, and installed the apt packs gstreamer-editor and gstreamer-tools, i am running Kubuntu 6.1001:35
Kartitekstacy: when I left the army all people talked about was certification, but if you have the skills and can prove it, there is more chance of getting the job!01:35
sea_4_everHm, does anyone know why the Kppp Daemon thing suddenly closes? Not that it really affects anything much.01:36
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Kartiwell mine is different to yours......but 24 years later....lol01:36
hitmanWillytekstacy: don't, I got out of the Navy about a year ago...trust me01:37
tekstacydifferent group of ppl shooting at you I guess01:37
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elite101what would you guys do? Buy vista for a couple hundred Or Get linux with Vista-theme and not pay or get virus's?01:38
KartiIts definatly more dangerous than the old days....ahh the Cold War...looks back fondly at getting Drunk in Denmark ;)01:38
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tekstacy....looks forward to getting drunk in Tehrain01:38
Kartielite101: Linux wins01:38
hitmanWillyelite101: how about making linux look like linux, and just dump the vista thing altogether :)01:39
elite101:) thought so01:39
Kartielite101: especially as the Vista learning curve is harder than a Linux desktop (imho)01:39
tekstacyelite, this machine came with Vista, I put the Kubuntu disk in for it's very first power on01:39
elite101wich would load better they complain in windows channel lol VIsta with a 9x theme or the Aero theme? what would be faster to load?01:39
hitmanWillytekstacy: see if you can get a refund :P01:39
hitmanWillytekstacy: for vista01:40
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tekstacyCouldn't, and couldn't get it without vista, but it was a good deal so I just trashed vista01:40
Kartielite101: Aero wI would assume take longer as its power intensive, and I believe only available in th ehigher priced editiosn01:40
tekstacyXP Pro came in the mail today, but after 24 hours of kubuntu, everything works smooth and easy, I may re-sell XP01:41
Dirrtystekstacy  dual boot is the way to go01:41
tekstacyTried that before, but found I was really only using one of the 201:42
hitmanWillyDirrtys: i used to do that, now i've found i really have no need for win at all01:42
DirrtysI use photoshop a lot01:42
tekstacyI would make a virtual XP Pro box if it is possible01:43
KartihitmanWilly: I still need certain apps but when I found my Xara was ported across for free (and works well) put another nail in the coffin!01:43
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Dirrtyswhy not dual boot disk space is cheap now days01:44
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tekstacythat's what it's worth,    but I could get about 160 on ebay01:44
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tekstacyDirtys, only have 120gb01:44
DirrtysOoo I have 1200 gig01:45
hitmanWillytekstacy: you can get a 500 gb hd for dirt cheap these days01:45
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Kartitekstacy: could always try virtualBox01:45
tekstacybut will it fit in this laptop?01:45
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hitmanWillytekstacy: oh, lol, well, there's always external lol01:46
tekstacycompany here, bye all. Thanks for the help01:46
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sea_4_everWhat happened there??01:48
Kartievjunior09: good luck, and see you all later01:49
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bloberok, i solved it due to my new glasses. in Kubuntu6.10's apt package Istambul, the package is missing its dependancy "python-gnome2" an doesnt run claiming a missing gconf python module, which is true. In stalling that module, all runs well. Where shoul I repport this???01:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bugreport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:51
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots01:52
bloberis that cosidered a bug???01:52
hitmanWillyblober: bug in apt, i'd say01:52
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hitmanWillyblober: or in the pkg database01:52
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bloberok, i am repporting it as a "apt or pkg database" bug, is that correct?01:53
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hitmanWillyblober: i'd call it a bug in the actual packaging of that pkg, but yeah, that should work fine01:54
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DirrtysI use http://www.fs-driver.org/ in widoz to access linux file system...does anyone else?01:55
bloberis any software mal function is considered a bug?01:55
hitmanWillyblober: either that or pebkac01:55
Dirrtysworks gr8 for me...makes dual boot a little easier01:56
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bloberPEBKAC is the acronymfor "Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair". That a bug than, ok... :-/01:57
hitmanWillyblober: sorry, shorthand for "user error"01:57
bloberi see than, i mean: a user error is a bug or a dumm?01:58
hitmanWillyblober: a bug is when software doesn't act right, pebkac is when a user doesn't :)01:58
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bloberoh, ok, making sense now :-)01:59
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bloberhey, it is anoying to have to register to report a bug!!!02:01
hitmanWillyblober: its to keep the spam down02:02
bloberbtw, thanks hitmanWilly for clarifying those thhing for me, i really didnt know02:02
bloberow, i see02:02
hitmanWillyblober: if anonymous bug reporting was alowed, how long do you think it'd take the windows or mac fanboys to start spamming it02:02
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bloberdont know. we could have both than02:03
hitmanWillybug #34766: linux sux!! windows pwns!!  lol02:03
elpezi think i have a broken tar on adept... i keep getting an error that says "broken pipe"... please help me out02:04
elpezi tried to install wine and my net connection failed02:04
hitmanWillyelpez: can you pastebin the whole output?02:04
elpezits spanish02:04
elpezbut ok02:04
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hitmanWillyoh, nm then02:04
hitmanWillycan't read a word :)02:04
bloberi can read it02:05
elpez(Leyendo la base de datos ...02:05
hitmanWillythere ya go then02:05
elpez128307 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.)02:05
elpezDesempaquetando wine (de .../wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...02:05
hitmanWilly!pastebin | elpez02:05
ubotuelpez: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)02:05
elpezdpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):02:05
elpez sistema de ficheros del archivo tar daado - archivo de paquete daado02:05
elpezdpkg-deb: el subproceso paste fue terminado por la seal (Tubera rota)02:05
elpezSe encontraron errores al procesar:02:06
elpez /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb02:06
bloberno elpez, dont be mean02:06
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bloberok, pastebin is a way to paste that kind off suff withou overflowing irc conversations, please use it02:08
bloberelpez: i like to use this one http://paste.milk-it.net/02:08
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NickPrestawhew! writing in C++ always gets me excited.02:09
bloberelpez: now, back to your apt problem. what happens if you try to install any other little package?02:09
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hitmanWillyand that's about the limit of my C++02:10
bloberi prefer python02:10
bloberimport excitemnt as relaxed02:10
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NickPrestahitmanWilly, indeed. I just wrote a small script that searches a text file for a given term. Quite a complex problem for something so "simple". I'll save the rest of the story for #off-topic heh02:10
hitmanWillyim more of a bash man :P02:10
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elpezsorry.. my web connection sometimes vanishes02:14
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digitaliafinally de graph card is setted ^^02:16
digitalianow I want to take a screen shot running compiz BUT I cant find the Button1 shortcut, someone know wich one iis?02:17
level1hi, how can I find out if sound is coming in through my microphone?02:17
level1is there a program?02:17
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blobercan anyone check if that is correctly reported?02:18
bloberlevel1: go to synaptic or adept an find a recorder and try that02:21
level1hmmm... It doesn't seem to be working... I got krec02:21
bloberwhat sound card do you have?02:21
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level1its embedded in the mother board... asus P5B Plus02:22
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hitmanWillylevel1: did you try setting the mixer levels in kmix?02:22
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: hey, you want to try something?02:22
level1hitmanWilly: I'm looking now02:22
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport02:22
hitmanWillylevel1: you may have to unmute it02:22
bloberhitmanWilly: does it start muted some times as default?02:23
level1hitmanWilly: I think I unmuted everything, but krec still isn't getting anything02:24
blober|o|, does that have a reason?02:24
hitmanWillyit used to be that you had to manually unmute everything initially02:24
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hitmanWillyvia alsamixer02:24
hitmanWillythe more user friendly distros are starting to get rid of that02:24
bloberlevel1: try typing "alsamixer" on a konsole02:25
hitmanWillythey just run an unmuter script, but sometimes it misses things02:25
level1blober: yeah, I've done this before... but whats the key to move to the capture tab?02:25
bloberhitmanWilly: i really see no use for staring muted as default...02:25
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bloberleft-right arrows02:26
hitmanWillylevel1: man alsamixer :)02:26
bloberand up-down to change "amplification"02:26
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level1hitmanWilly, blober: as far as I can tell, I've unmuted everything02:27
hitmanWillyhmmm, weird...02:27
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bloberno recording still, shure?02:28
hitmanWillyok, stupid question, is the mic plugged into the right port?02:28
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level1hitmanWilly: I'm pretty sure it is... let me double check02:28
thedrshi all, update manager is giving me problems - does any one have a link to a doc that explains how it works ?02:28
bloberis the drive/sound card chosen in krec correct?02:28
ubotuSee https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)02:29
hitmanWillythedrs: are you trying to update the system or do a full upgrade?02:29
thedrsupdate manager - always says i need to update a package to the same version of the package :(02:29
hitmanWillythedrs: do you have third party repos?02:30
level1blober: I can't find a configuration for that02:30
thedrshitmanWilly: should i check the synaptic package manager ?02:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about piklab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:31
thedrs(for third party)02:31
hitmanWillythedrs: ok, try this in a konsole: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then pastebin the output of that please02:31
hitmanWilly!pastebin | thedrs02:32
ubotuthedrs: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)02:32
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bloberlevel1: ok, i would hve to install it to help you, i am have a work to present tomorrow... sorry,02:32
bloberlevel1: try #linux-audio-users irc channel ;-)02:33
bloberthey are very likelly to help you out typing with the nose02:33
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bloberlevel1: the channel is #lad02:35
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thedrshitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35865/02:38
thedrshtmanWilly: it told me to restart the computer - should i do it now and come back in the chat room after that ?02:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:40
hitmanWillythedrs: it seems the upgrade worked this time, and you can if you wish02:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:41
thedrshitmanWilly: ok thanks, i will brb02:41
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:41
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nosrednaekim!info konversation02:42
ubotukonversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 5038 kB, installed size 12996 kB02:42
prakis there anyone here who is familiar with piklab?02:43
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krowe!info piklab02:43
ubotuPackage piklab does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas02:43
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prak!info piklab02:44
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prakkrowe: i used to be able to get it from adept02:44
praknow i'm downloading it from sourceforge02:44
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kroweidk anything about it I'm trying to figure out irc again it has been awhile since i used it02:45
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thedrshitmanWilly: :( still same problem02:46
hitmanWillyheh, apparently the tenth anniversary of princess di's death is more important than a car bomb by the navy's nuclear training school02:46
thedrshitmanWilly: the package is compiz-core02:46
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hitmanWillythedrs: did you apt-key add the gpg key for that repo?02:47
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thedrshitmanWilly: i read the man page on the two commands that you told me to run, but i don't know what the apt-key add means02:48
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hitmanWillythedrs: you know how it said that compiz-core couldn't be verified? that's probably because the gpg key for it isn't properly installed02:48
ubuntu__speak spanish02:49
thedrshitmanWilly: ok, (i am reading man on apt-key now) ... so can i reset that package's key ?02:49
hitmanWillythedrs: not really familiar with compiz, but you'll probably have to download the key for the repo and apt-key add it02:50
ubuntu__with virtual box02:51
nosrednaekim!es | ubuntu__02:51
ubotuubuntu__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.02:51
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alejandro_howto quit join/part messages on konversation?02:52
hitmanWillyalejandro_: /join <channel name> or /part02:54
nosrednaekimsettings->configure->chat window02:54
hitmanWillyoh, misread that, heh02:54
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prakis there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?02:54
thedrshitmanWilly: i did apt-key list - but the format is not that clear - i can't see which key belongs to the compiz-core package02:54
thedrshitmanWilly: i tried to apt-key update too but it didn't change a thing, do you know how i can match a package to it's key ?02:55
seaO_o this synaptic thing is cool.02:55
hitmanWillythedrs: not off the top of my head02:55
hitmanWillyyou could manually downlaod the gpg key, then apt-key add the file02:55
krowesynaptic is ok but I think adept is even better02:56
kroweadept is the package manager in kubuntu02:56
thedrshitmanWilly: do you know from where i can download gpg keys ? is there a repository of keys for all packages ?02:57
krowethedrs: the point of a key is so that you can identify 3rd party servers02:57
Artimus...  I just learned that the little Adept Updater/Notifer is *NOT* Adept itself.  Wow...02:57
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ArtimusNor is that little "Add Remove Programs" Widget all of it...02:58
krowe thedrs: by definition they are servers unknown to apt02:58
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seaArtimus, I only had Kubuntu for 1 week and I noticed that before you. lol.02:58
albertmkjust received 3 cds from Ubuntu!!!    \0/02:58
Artimussea: I've been using Kubuntu for a few months now.  I use the command line mostly.  I saw the little taskbar and Add Remove Programs apps and said "no way, hides too much information".  I had the hunch to just now check it out under the System submenu...02:59
thedrskrowe: ok, then i will try to look for the compiz site and look for a gpg key there02:59
ArtimusThat'll do02:59
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Daisuke_Laptoptry what?03:00
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nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: hey... wattmeter?03:00
seaDoes the ubuntu Chess game have a weakness? I got beat in 12 moves on normal. D:03:00
nosrednaekimsea: lol03:00
Artimussea: Linux chess games will consistently kick the crap out of me.03:01
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nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: you're running kubuntu right?03:02
seaI don't know why they madeit so hard to beat, or why it only comes with Ubuntu, while Kubuntu gets wtuck with a few Fortunes...03:02
Mr_Sonomasea, if you find a weakness let me know03:02
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Mr_Sonomasea, you can install programs from any suite just because you are running KDE (KUBUNTU) doesnt mean you have to stick with KDE programs.03:03
Artimussea: All chess games are made to be as unbeatable as possible.  They're more of an exercise in "my chess algorithm is awesome!" than "lets play a fun game"03:03
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seahm. I know some C, maybe I hsould make a chess game.03:05
Daisuke_Laptopubuntu on here03:05
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Daisuke_Laptopkubuntu on the desktop03:05
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Artimussea: How much do you know about Chess?03:06
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seaHmm...what takes up the most RAM, I need to free some to play this game I just finished setting up.03:06
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: oh.. NM... I wrote a wattmeter hack for guidance-power-manager03:06
prakis there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?03:06
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seaArtimus : I really fail at chess, but I remain unbeatable at checkers, I played about 300 checkers games so far.03:07
Mr_Sonomasea, you want to know what DE takes the least ram??03:07
Artimussea: Coding the games isn't that hard, it's writing the algorithms and "AI".03:07
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seano, I want to know how to free some up...03:07
seamaybe disable a few of these fancy animations.03:08
Mr_Sonomathat would be a start03:09
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: curious... why aren't you using kubuntu on the lappy?03:11
Arwenman, KDE's wallpaper options, if only GNOME had them...03:11
Arwenhacking together images is so boring03:11
Daisuke_Laptopi like having both so i can answer questions on either end03:12
Arwenwhee, time to try out KDE03:12
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nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: ah... good idea03:13
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ScarFreewill!info pyqt03:14
ubotuPackage pyqt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:14
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ubotuPackage pyqt3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:14
Mr_SonomaDaisuke-Ido, i have KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox, icewm, and Beryl all loaded on this machine.03:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pyqt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:15
Mr_Sonomafor the same reasons03:15
thedrshitmanWilly & krowe: I just checked it out in #ubuntu-effects and they told me its a known bug in the package subsystem of apt in feisty and it's fixed in gusty. just FYI03:15
ScarFreewillwhat is the pyqt package name?03:15
hitmanWillythedrs: ok, seemed a little weird03:15
thedrstoo bad no one added it to any faq ... it seems i am not the only one that had it03:16
nosrednaekim!into pyqt03:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about into pyqt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:16
nosrednaekim!info python-qt03:16
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ScarFreewillah thanks nosrednaekim03:16
hydrogen!package git-core03:17
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hydrogen!info git-core gutsy03:17
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hydrogeni need 1.5.303:17
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seaI WON! I BEAT IT!03:18
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thedrskrowe: ok i will try03:20
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bryanSince I did the new updates from Kubutu my system acts wierd03:20
bryanMostly video type03:21
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nosrednaekimvideo type?03:23
prakis there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?03:23
bryanI now get a short black screen pop up and also if  is see videos like in youtube the web pages get frozen03:23
bryanCard is a nvidia 7900 gt03:24
nosrednaekim!repositories | prak03:24
ubotuprak: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:24
winbondwhy do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.03:24
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bryanwhat does  !repositories | prak mean03:26
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winbondwhat is the ipconfig in linux?03:29
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Kr4t05winbond, ifconfig03:30
hitmanWillywinbond: ifconfig03:30
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Kr4t05hitmanWilly, JINX!03:30
Kr4t05Guh... Does anyone know of a good driver that supports the NeoMagic brand of graphics chipsets?03:31
nosrednaekimbryan: it means for ubotu to send a message to prak about that topic03:31
nosrednaekimbryan: could be flash probelm03:31
winbondwhy do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.03:32
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flaccidwinbond: did you ask in #freenode-social . we can't help you here on that..03:32
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Kr4t05winbond, What kind of client are you using?03:32
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coreymon77doesnt freenode-social not exist anymore?03:33
nosrednaekimbryan: could it be a flash problem?03:33
flaccidoh what is the freenode help chan03:33
goban_on compiz fusion but no cube AND no window decorator :(03:33
bryanhow to you fix flash problem03:33
winbondwhich port does irc use?03:33
bryanbut it never did it before03:33
Kr4t05winbond, Usually 666703:34
flaccidwinbond: ask in #defocus and try google03:34
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jcolvinhow do i install a deb file?03:35
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flaccidjcolvin: sudo dpkg -i packge.deb03:35
darlokSo I am trying to use wget to recursively download files from a website, but I can't figure out how to specify WHICH files I want downloaded.  Right now it is just downloading the entire website.  Anyone able to help?  I RTFM but can't find mention of it there.03:35
mathieu__!mp3 amarok03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mp3 amarok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:37
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:37
flacciddarlok: try ##linux or #bash . man wget details all the options plus there are howtos on google. nothing from stopping you doing wget http://site.com/file1.html && wget http://site.com/file2.html03:37
jcolvinflaccid: it said no such file. I just downloaded it. Does it have to be in a certain folder?03:37
flaccidjcolvin: you have to specify the path to the package03:37
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darlokflaccid: There are hundreds of .txt and .pdf files I'm trying to download at once... wouldn't make sense to type out each filename ;)03:38
flaccidno path means present working directory or path which is pretty much the same as ./file. so change to the directory where you downloaded it or specifiy it explicitly like dpkg -i /path/to/my/downoad.deb03:38
flacciddarlok: the man page details how to do downloads matching patterns03:39
jcolvinoh i see03:39
nosrednaekimjcolvin: replace "packge.deb" with the name of your deb03:39
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darlokflaccid: I read the man page... but didn't see any mention of how to download ONLY certain files.  Well, it gave an example of downloading all the .GIF files, but it still downloaded everything.03:39
flaccidmaybe you didn't do the syntax correctly03:40
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flacciddarlok: did you google a tutorial/howto03:41
flaccidi dont remember the switches off my head03:41
jcolvinflaccid: didn't work03:41
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flaccidjcolvin: ah well.03:42
flaccidim going to get ciggies for spin03:42
darlokflaccid: They were able to help me out in #wget actually.  But thank you :)03:42
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flacciddarlok: how do you do it then03:43
CPrompt^what are you trying to do flaccid?03:43
winbondwhich port does irc use?03:44
winbondwhy do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.03:44
flaccidCPrompt^: nothing03:44
winbondwhat u think is the best torrent client on linux?03:44
_2winbond 6667 by default03:44
flaccidwinbond: don't repeat your question. we can't help you here. mirc usually uses 6667-7000 its purely up to the irc server03:45
CPrompt^flaccid : ah.  just got the last bit.  thought something was going on.  LOL03:45
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_2winbond the version request is when you connect.   that's the way it's setup   they /ver everyone that joins03:46
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CPrompt^winbond : you should be able to turn that off.  check the faq from freenode though http://freenode.net/faq.shtml03:47
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_2-:- SignOff winbond: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)03:48
_2<CPrompt^> winbond : you should be able to turn that off.  check the faq from03:48
_2           freenode though http://freenode.net/faq.shtml03:48
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flacciddont think you can turn the ctcp version off from freenode, _204:00
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_2flaccid no that's one thing they use to weed out script attacks.    as i understand it that was the perpose for the /ver every x minutes.   if your system blocks it then you get dropped like a hot potato04:02
flaccidhow do you know that he is even blocking it, considering a timeout would be required?04:03
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_2you can test the theory.   ;/04:03
flaccidtest before assume :)04:04
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flaccida newbie is not likely to have blocked or spoofed the version reply04:04
_2i never assumed he was blocking anything.  just know that freenode is setup to /ver * for a required test condition...04:05
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flaccidfreenode ctcp versions everyone on connect..04:05
_2flaccid actually a newbee is more likely to have done that.   just playing with firestarter of guarddog...04:05
flaccidlets see look at how ctcp version works04:06
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flaccidnot likely to have set up a firewall usually. best to ask if a firewall/packet filter is in use04:08
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jcolvinhow do you install a bin?04:10
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krowejust run it04:10
jcolvinwhat do you mean just run it04:10
jcolvinopen up Konsole?04:10
brian__When you request a program removal in Linux, does it uninstall cleanly or are there traces leftover like Windows?04:10
kroweif it isn't already exec then type chmod +x filename.bin first04:10
krowe@brian it is clean04:11
Jucatobrian__: the only traces it leaves behind are small config (text) files04:11
Jucatoin the system directory. not like in Windows.. :/04:11
darlokI'm trying to use wget to download a couple hundred .pdf files from a website.  The website requires that I login, but although I use the http-user and http-password flags in wget, it will not enter the password protected areas.  Does anyone know how I can fix this?  RTFM didn't help...04:11
krowejucato is right though04:11
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flaccidhmm reading on ctcp now it uses irc privmsgs and notices for replies, so no other port is required than the irc port from what i understand04:11
krowebut those files don't continue to slow the system down like a large registry will in windows04:11
Jucatobrian__: you also have the option to "purge" when you uninstall programs. this removes the config files in the system directories also04:11
nosrednaekimdarlok: #wget04:11
Jucatokrowe: not to mention eat up disk space04:11
flacciddarlok: whats the error it returns, http 401 or something else?04:12
darloknosrednaekim: I was just there... the only guy there helped what he could then had to leave.04:12
darlokflaccid: No error... it just says it's done.04:12
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brian__Thanks, that's good to know.  I'm a newbie so I'm trying alot of stuff to get a good feel.04:12
flacciddarlok: i guess #wget is your best bet. i got no idea why it might do that04:13
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krowe@jcolvin sorry for the delay ... yes just type that in a terminal (like konsole for example)04:13
darlokflaccid: Do I need to use a different login tactic with wget if the website doesn't make me login through the webpage itself?  It pops up a dialog box asking for username and password.04:13
brian__Hey Jucato, I'm using Adept Manager for everything.  How does "purge" fit into all that?04:14
hydrogenthe url should look like http://user:password@host/subdirectory04:14
flacciddarlok: the wget support is for http auth which is the dialog box, it wouldnt work for a site that has a login form. need to check if the site uses digest or basic http auth but as far as i knew it suported both04:14
Jucatobrian__: right-click on package -> Purge04:15
hydrogenback in a second!04:15
brian__Ok, gotcha04:15
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_2hydrogen i like that ip   :)04:19
hydrogenme too:)04:19
BradsnetI'm using kubuntu for the first time, and having trouble getting my video settings  working... anyone  willing to help?04:19
flaccidBradsnet: what vid card do you have04:19
Bradsnetnvidia 6800 ultra04:19
flaccid!nvidia > Bradsnet04:19
flaccidtried that?04:20
Bradsnet1 sec04:20
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Arwengah, I just switched to KDE and my window decorations are hideous04:21
Arwencan anyone recommend a different one?04:21
ubotuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy04:21
brian__Just curious:  is there a prog better than Gwenview?04:22
nosrednaekimbrian__: for viewing and printing pictures?04:22
Bradsnetflaccid: What is the kubuntu equiv of the restricted devices manager?04:23
flaccidBradsnet: i think you can install it and run it anyway04:23
flaccid!info restricted-manager04:23
brian__viewing, organizing, editing, etc...04:23
nosrednaekimBradsnet: you have to manually install it.04:23
uboturestricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB04:23
nosrednaekimBradsnet: run "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager"04:24
Arwenum, another quick question about KDE, how do I disable that animation I get when I hover my mouse over the K menu and other tray things?04:24
CPrompt^brian__ : how far into "Editing" are you talking?  Picassa does a pretty good job of viewing and organizing IMO04:24
brian__I'm looking for something simular to Directory Opus for the Amiga (remember that!)04:24
Jucatonosrednaekim: only available for Kubuntu on Gutsy04:24
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BradsnetEven though the display settings panel has my video card listed, I still need to install the manager, and use it to try to find the right driver?04:25
nosrednaekimJucato: but you CAN get the gnome version04:25
nosrednaekimBradsnet: to get it working properly, probably04:25
ses59wrong channel but did not get answer on thunderbird so will ask when printing email out of tb it prints landscape not portrait I have checked all settings I can find04:25
flaccidBradsnet: technically no. but it will enable you to follow the guide04:25
brian__Does Picassa have a homepage?04:25
BluesKajpicasa is a google app04:26
ses59kword and other office print fine so it is just tb04:27
mneptokunless you're a Picasa user now, i'd stick with digiKam04:27
CPrompt^brian__ : http://picasa.google.com/04:27
brian__Thanks, but not what I'm looking for.04:27
CPrompt^dunno then04:28
BluesKajwhat's the latest on google earth for gutsy 64 bit ?04:28
_2ses59 tell it to print and when the confirm box/window opens there should be settings there.04:28
mneptokbrian__: you want a photo or file manager?04:28
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BradsnetOkay, manager installed... can't seem to find it on the applications menu though....04:29
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_2run it from konsole Bradsnet04:30
jcolvinI'm having trouble with my wireless internet04:30
brian__Once again, if anybody remembers Directory Opus for the Amiga?  That's exactly the kind of program I searching for.04:30
jcolvinI was on it a couple of minutes ago but now all the networks i used to see are gone04:30
ses59not any setting for portrait just margin04:30
mneptokbrian__: tried Midnight Commander?04:31
flaccidjcolvin: try doing a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && killall knetworkmanager && knetworkmanager &04:31
brian__Nope, I'll take a look.04:31
_2ses59 err  i'm a few versions behind here  but there "used" to be.04:31
mneptok!info mc04:31
ubotumc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB04:31
ses59and print range04:31
BradsnetAlright, seems to be enabling the driver okay...04:31
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mneptokbrian__: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/04:31
_2!info gentoo04:31
ubotugentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB04:31
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nosrednaekimgentoo: the tool to do everything you never wanted to do.04:32
jcolvinflaccid: it didn't work04:32
_2gentoo is the gui version of mc04:32
flaccidjcolvin: what was the output04:32
BradsnetIf I remember right, there is some keyboard shortcut to restart x, no? What is it?04:32
_2give or take04:32
mneptokBradsnet: ctl-alt-bkspc04:32
ses59have tb seems to be more after I upgraded that this problem has started do not remember it before but did not print much then04:33
jcolvinflaccid: was i supposed to run it in Konsole?04:33
flaccidjcolvin: yes04:33
BradsnetHmm, well that didn't seem to work.04:33
BradsnetIt really really wants me to reboot. So thanks for your help and if it didn't work I suppose I'll be back. :)04:34
_2ses59 if no one else in here pipes up,  ask in #ubuntu  you might get lucky04:34
CPrompt^ses59 : what kind of printer are you using?04:34
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ses59ok thank you will try tb again to see if anyone there has found this problem04:34
_2CPrompt^ i fail to see the relivance04:34
ArwenQuick KDE question: I have two panels on the same screen, but I can only resize one of them?04:34
Arwenany ideas?04:34
brian__Wow!  I just found a Midnight Commander screenshot.  (DOS flashback)04:35
JucatoArwen: bit of a bug. restart kicker so you can resize both. Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart04:35
ses59brother  hl2070n on a network using cups as the driver04:35
flaccidbrian__: have you tried krusader :)04:35
brian__No, I'll look.04:35
ArwenJucato, thanks a lot04:35
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CPrompt^ses59 : have you checked the properties of the printer to make sure it is pointing to Portrait?04:36
mneptokses59: have you gotten the latest BR_SCRIPT .ppd from Brother?04:36
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ses59no on script but have checked the cups settings and it is fine and other things print using cups without the problem04:36
_2for the record ses59 already said it prints fine form other apps   !04:36
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brian__krusader:  closer, much, much closer...04:37
CPrompt^_2 : thanks for pointing that out.  missed that.04:37
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flaccidbrian__: i use every day i like04:38
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CPrompt^ses59 : I am guessing you mentioned early as well that you checked the "Page Setup" under Thunderbird to make sure it was set to Portrait?04:38
brian__I'm gonna try it - thanks.04:38
_2yeah i kinda hate it when nine people jump in with "have you checked this, have you done that" and it's not even related to the issue...    sorry for ranting tho04:39
mneptokses59_: The above is correct, however, even after changing default to Letter size, cups printout was still incorrect. Both the cups test print page and alingmargins still showed page size of 596.28 x 841.8 - 8.28x11.69 inches which is wrong. In order to print true letter size, the file /usr/local/Brother/inf/brHL2070Nrc must be edited so that PaperType is set to Letter. Even when cups is changed to Letter, this file still uses an A4 size ...04:39
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mneptok... and all page measurements are wrong. After this change, page size is shows correctly as 215.9x279.4 = 8.5x11 inches.04:39
jcolvin_flaccid: still nothing04:39
mneptokses59_: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-HL-2070N04:39
mneptokses59_: use that driver and follow those instructions04:40
brian__wait a minute - konqueror does the same thing I think (to many beers)04:40
flaccidjcolvin: its meant to return nothing. now look in knetworkmanager icon for networks. failing that check sudo iwlist eth1 scanning04:41
brian__are there differences?04:41
flaccideth1 being the interface logical name04:41
flaccidyeah there are, just can't really remember04:41
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brian__Switching gears now:  what is my best bet to get laptop wireless running? Is there proven (supported) hardware for the PCMCIA port?04:43
nosrednaekimdolphin in KDE4 is amazing.04:43
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs04:43
flaccidcheck the supported cards brian__04:43
_2brian__ yes there is.04:43
ArwenIn KControl, "Use Translucency" is an implementation of XComposite, right?04:43
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mneptokbrian__: what cardbus/pcmcia card?04:43
nosrednaekimArwen: yeah... but you can use software render too04:44
Arwenthat would be hideously slow, right?04:44
flaccidArwen: in kde3 i think it is yeah04:44
nosrednaekimwhich is what I use as I have an ATI card04:44
flaccidits not too bad Arwen, kde4 will use its own compositing04:44
_2brian__ there is a hardware page  with lists of known "out of box" supported hardware.   you should have a look.04:44
brian__It looks like I need to spend more time researching...04:45
flaccidthats the way it will be until vendors provide their own drivers04:45
jcolvin__brian_: what do you mean by cardbus?04:45
_2flaccid i wouldn't wish for that...   ;/04:46
flaccidpc cardbus = pcmcia04:46
flaccid_2: why not?04:46
Arwensweet, kcontrol "admin mode" button :-)04:46
_2far better if they would open source it.04:46
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brian__I've no hardware yet, I'm researching before I buy.04:46
nosrednaekimArwen: no, actually it pretty fast.04:46
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport04:46
Arwennosrednaekim, how do I force software rendering?04:46
nosrednaekimits an option under advanced on that effects tab04:47
nosrednaekimbye all!04:47
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Arwennosrednaekim, I don't see it, but oh well04:48
nosrednaekimits in there somewhere ;)04:49
brian__I bet you that if the wireless driver problem was solved (supported) there would no longer be any reason to use Microsoft software?04:49
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brian__for the general public...04:49
_2brian__ there isn't now.04:49
flaccidthere would be lots of reasons04:49
brian__I'm speaking in generalities...04:50
flaccidim speaking in any terms04:50
flaccidhow would providing driver support make everyone change to linux?04:50
flaccidits a step, but only a step04:51
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brian__It seems that wireless is the "hot ticket" right now.  It will change tomorrow...04:51
flaccidthere are lots of hot tickets :)04:52
_2flavour of the month04:52
brian__businesses offer it as a way to get you into thier shops04:52
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brian__yes, exactly - flavor of the month04:52
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flaccidpeople don't need wireless. its an extra FABG04:52
flaccidor a VAS04:52
brian__please excuse my ignorance - what is FABG?04:53
brian__I suck at acronyms04:53
flaccidfeature, advantage, benefit, grabber04:53
flaccidits a professional sales term04:53
brian__I got to tell you though, in my opinion cables tie everybody down.04:54
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_2yeah can you imagine a world with no cables,    and no wireless   ?04:55
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flaccidwe are moving mobile, but its uptake in the consumer world is slow and it still costs eg. handhelds04:55
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Brad_Okay, the restricted device manager killed my system.04:55
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brian__yeah, it sure does cost.  try surfing the web on a cell phone.  it costs to much and it generally sucks (the experience)04:56
bradsnetNo video, no nothin... looks like it is going to start up, then no video, hard drive stops accessing, just halts.04:56
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flaccidneed to do a manual diagnosis of xorg04:57
_2brian__ i can't imagine wanting a cell phone   so   don't look my way when you ask that.04:57
flaccidcan you get to a tty eg. ctrl + alt + f2 ?04:57
bradsnetI'm reinstalling now.04:57
bradsnetSeems easier... it was a fresh install anyway...04:58
brian__are you serious about not wanting a cell phone?04:58
_2cause x was not working propperly,  of course !04:58
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bradsnetAnd now I know not to do that again.04:58
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_2brian__ indeed.04:58
bradsnetI don't think it was just x.04:58
flaccidbradsnet: but you will want to use the prop. nvidia driver because its better so you might get up to this point again04:58
Arwenum, ntp synchronization isn't working04:58
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flacciddo it manual without restricted-manager . can show you that04:58
Arwenany ideas what I should check?04:58
flaccidArwen: there is something on the wiki on that04:59
_2Arwen konsole# ntpdate pool.ntp.org04:59
brian__You know _2, I got a cell phone to escape tellemarketers and the fact that when I don't want to be contacted I can simply turn it off.04:59
Arwen31 Aug 22:59:44 ntpdate[25766] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting04:59
bradsnetI don't get why when I select the driver in the driver selection dialog in provides that isn't selection the proper driver.05:00
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bloberwhat screen capture utility do you use in kubuntu?05:01
_2brian__ ringers on normal phones can be turned off.   and tellemarketers can be fun.    think up new ways to really put the heavy on them without being rude  :)))05:01
bradsnetIt seemed to mostly work when I did that. Except the resolution was missing, which that link you sent me has something to say about... er, yeah.05:01
bloberi am trying istanbul, but it doesnt work for me05:01
flaccidblober: ksnapshot05:01
brian__(grin) you got me there!05:01
bloberflaccid: as video i mean05:02
flaccidtvtime you might be able to do05:02
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bradsnetSo I figured I would just install again, do it the way I did it last time, then follow that part of the instructions... but... is there a reason I need to go through the restricted manager?05:02
_2bradsnet no05:03
flaccidbradsnet: not really. can install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new via apt-get05:03
Arwenhow do I disable that stupid user list on the login screen?05:03
brian__my point is that folks want to be connect on thier terms wherever they are.  that's why wireless is the "FABG'05:03
flaccidArwen: i think thats in kcontrol somewhere05:03
Arwenyes, where?05:03
Arwenkcontrol is huge05:03
_2Arwen which login   kdm ?05:03
bradsnetOkay, what do I need those for? And which one?05:03
flaccidArwen: you can search in kcontrol for login or kdm05:03
_2Arwen heh it's near the bottom of the list in kcontrol    that's all i remember05:04
flaccidbradsnet: not sure which one. that are the nvidia driver packages05:04
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ArwenI'm in the login manager section, but I don't see it05:04
MarcCanybody know why Kubuntu has "stalled" and won't show any files in my home dir, but Nautilus works?05:04
flaccidnvidia-glx-new is the new driver , both will probably work on your card unless you need nvidia-glx-legacy05:04
flaccidi gtg05:04
MarcCsorry, Konqueror, not Kubuntu05:04
_2Arwen it's not in the main tab on that section05:04
Arwenoh wait, found it "show users"05:04
_2you can also select which uid's to show05:05
Arwenalso, a bunch of sections in kcontrol appear in the list, but I can't open them? is my setup b0rk3d?05:05
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MarcCnevermind, I sent a sigkill to kded and everything's fine...?05:05
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Jucatoyou need to restart kded though...05:06
_2is that a question ?05:06
Kr4t05Does anyone know if it's possible to smooth out the choppiness on my NeoMagic MagicGraph256AV?05:06
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GuyFromHellany virtual machine thingies besides vmware player (which currently doesn't install on my gutsy)05:06
Kr4t05I'm using X.org's neomagic driver, but, dragging windows is very choppy and ugly. :/05:07
_2GuyFromHell qemu05:07
brian__beryl, is it worth it?05:07
GuyFromHell_2: k i'll look into that, thank  you05:07
winbondKr4t05, you could buy a new video card?05:07
Kr4t05brian__, If you have the power, and don't mind a bit of effort for some nifty effects, why not.?05:07
Kr4t05winbond, Sure thing... If this were a desktop.05:08
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brian__it sure does shine purty05:08
_2Kr4t05 not to divert you,  but how much time to you spend "dragging windows" about ?05:08
winbondKr4t05, i guess ure flacked05:08
Kr4t05_2, Enough that it bugs me. :P05:09
_2yes i know that.   just wondering.   don't forget i'm a console user, so if you could humour me...05:09
brian__Is it practical?  Has it enabled you to "compute" more efficiently?05:09
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Kr4t05glxgears averages about 100FPS on this thing... :/05:10
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_2brian__ quite the opisite i'd think05:10
arctanxKr4t05: do you remember what you typed after "gxlgears" to get that FPS reading? ;)05:11
Kr4t05brian__, It depends. Once you get over the whole "Lookit the cube spin!! WEEEEE!!" phase, you start to use features to make better use of your computer.05:11
_2iacknowledgethatthisisnotabenchmark   or some such05:11
_2@ arctanx05:12
arctanx_2: yup hehe05:12
Kr4t05arctanx, Nothing?05:12
arctanxah maybe that's only in debian or something05:12
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_2no they just defaulted it out in later *buntu05:12
Jucatoyeah. -printfps is no longer needed05:13
Jucatouh why?05:14
brian__I'm thinking I would never get beyond the WEEEE stage..05:14
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_2i wonder how many fps i get .......05:14
Jucatoarctanx: "no longer needed" means "it already outputs FPS by default now"05:14
arctanxbecause people start using it as a benchmark. all you need is a comparison between software rendering and hardware rendering05:14
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elite101hey is this a good card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681416109705:15
_2err actually i wonders if i get fps ...05:15
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bloberhave anyone some idea of how to use tvtime to capture my screen as video??05:15
GuyFromHell_2: beautifully started, thank you :)05:15
albertmkQuestion: For partition, I can use PartitionMagic for Windows. How about Kubuntu/Ubuntu?05:16
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_2guy ok.05:16
brian__I don't think we should forget the tried and true "Paper" method of data communication - afterall, paper has excellent bandwidth.05:16
Jucatocoreymon77: sent the mail. but I heard that we'll still be voting in the next meeting. but anyway..05:16
elite101does it really count between 128bit and 256bit cards??!?!05:16
coreymon77Jucato: oh, i didnt know that you were a member of the actual council?05:17
Jucatonope hehehe05:17
jcolvin__brian_: yeah i know05:17
brian__Nobody gets the paper bandwidth joke?05:17
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Jucatonope. no one05:18
coreymon77brian__: i was about to say "lol" but i got interrupted by jucato05:18
_2brian__ i though rubber got better band width05:18
Kr4t05http://pastebin.com/m5860b804 -- glxgears -info output05:18
elite101thats goood05:18
elite101_2, lol05:18
Kr4t05I'm basically toast, aren't I?05:18
arctanxthe beatles were much wider05:18
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arctanxKr4t05: can you get better drivers than mesa?05:19
brian__rubber, the harder you pull, the harder it snaps back.  some people pay money for that...05:19
Kr4t05arctanx, Doubt it.05:19
arctanxKr4t05: in that case, probably05:19
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Kr4t05brian__, Not that your humor isn't appreciated, but could you please take it to -offtopic?05:20
_2i once saw a penut stand,   i even heard a rubber band,    watched a front porch swing,   and listened to a diamond ring...05:20
coreymon77brian__: !!! a little inappropriate maybe?05:20
_2but i aint never seen an elephant fly05:20
Theresahey all! I finally have my friends computer set up with kubuntu. Only one problem remains and it's a wierd one. They have dial up. I am connected to the network. I can ping anything. I can do 'apt-get's. I can talk in here. However i can't get anywhere in konqueror.  I'm installing lynx to see if i can browse with it, but this is too strange. Any ideas? Thanks. (kubuntu 7.04, 2.6.20-16-generic)05:21
Kr4t05arctanx, I've been google'ing for drivers all day.05:21
bloberwhat is my video4linux device if i want it to be my own screen? I mean, i want it to access what is going on in my screen05:21
arctanxKr4t05: *nods* I'm not real surprised, I haven't even heard of that brand.05:21
Theresaok! I can browse with linx, so this is a kde/konqueror problem. I'm stumped!05:21
Theresa(this is Bearcat, btw)05:22
brian__(sigh)  relax and enjoy life.  take off your blinders and simply enjoy the folks around you.  let yourself grow a little05:22
brian__sorry to take your mind of track05:23
Theresabrian__: i will when konqueror works! :P05:23
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_2Theresa Jucato might be able to find something on that.   i would think that konq itself is choosing the route and it's probably hitting eth0  rather than ppp0    just a guess05:23
Theresa_2: that's my guess too05:24
Jucatosorry, no idea on this one....05:24
_2hmmm that's a negitive vote for konq ...05:24
Theresa_2: but the gateway parameter in "network settings" changes /etc/resolv.conf, not just a kde thing, right?05:25
brian__My closing statement of the night is in fact...05:25
brian__...the similie of the day...05:25
brian__Here it is:05:25
_2our own networking guru and konqueror dev   has nothing to say on it....   this is bad...05:25
Theresa_2: well, i think it's my set up, not the fault of konq (konq is awesome on all of *my* pcs)05:25
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JucatoI am neither of those :P05:25
Jucatomy only guess would be a DNS problem05:26
Jucatobut since Lynx can browse... :/05:26
TheresaJucato: yeah.05:26
brian__Her face was a perfect oval - like a circle who's sides were gently squeezed together by a thighmaster...05:26
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carlos_i am new user of kubuntu05:27
_2well i'm still voting on konqueror being the problem.    maybe (hates to mention it because of personal preferances) install ff and see if it works or not05:27
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albertmkcarlos_: welcome to kubuntu!05:27
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Jucatohe's gone though :P05:28
Theresa_2: that's not a bad idea05:28
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raylu_2, what did you use before konq?05:28
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_2raylu i don't use konq either.    elinks05:29
arctanxsmall problem I asked about yesterday to no avail and still haven't sorted out... when I click on links in xchat, it opens up in a new tab, but I get a new "Firefox Web Browser" loading thing in the panel, and a bouncing icon next to my cursor, until it times out. Has anyone found the cause for this?05:29
Theresa_2: nothing. I'm just finishing setting this up for them. In fact i had konq/dialup working before i wiped the drive again. I don't know what the diff is this time.05:29
_2so ff doesn't either...  hmmm05:29
rajpakiyanathananybody from Montreal here05:30
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_2it prevents having bad ones...05:30
Theresa_2: for me? *grins*05:30
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_2channel actually,   but it was off topic...05:31
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_2Theresa idk.   withoug more to go on,  i'm out of guesses on that one.05:31
Kr4t05Ah... Back in the land of wobbly windows. :)05:32
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_neon_need help with k3b , it won't copy data dvd thusfar that is the only thing i have tried, i used gnomebaker and it worked perfectly tho i prefer k3b and i am using kubuntu feisty also xcdroast works fine   the symptom is when i click to copy dvd it tells me error reading image  any suggestions thx05:33
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bradsnetTheresa: Does your friend's ISP use a proxy? Random guess.05:34
rayluI can't get Xinerama working the way I want it to. I'm used Windows' "Extend my desktop onto this monitor" functionality where the two are seperate desktops.05:34
rayluoh, and is compiz fusion stable/usable/recommended?05:34
Theresabradsnet: i don't think so. If so i would think i would not be able to get places with lynx that i can not with konqueror05:34
rc-1bloody hell, compiz is showing  desktops but only able to use one05:35
Kr4t05raylu: If you do, use amaranth's repos.05:35
ubotuxinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead05:35
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama05:35
bradsnetTheresa: I dunno about lynx, but konq disables proxy by default it seems.05:36
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bradsnetTheresa: As I said though, random.05:36
Theresabradsnet: well shall i try calling the modem a proxy?05:36
bloberhas anyone install xvidcap by apt-gt???? i can see it on synaptic, but it doesn change when i request it to install and on a console, it prompts that there is no instalation candidate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!05:36
raylum...dualhead points back to xinerama =05:36
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blobervery strange indeed05:37
raylublober, sounds like you already have it installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1105:37
bradsnetTheresa: Calling the modem a proxy..... I don't see how or why.05:37
Admiral_Chicagosomeone pinged me a while ago?05:37
Theresawell, bradsnet doesn't the modem have an ip address (i know alot about networking, but haven't delt with dial-up in a LONG time)05:37
Admiral_Chicagowell i'll be back tomorrow morning05:37
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bloberraylu, nop, i cant access it by xvidcap nor it displays as installed05:38
raylublober, what isn't showing it as installed? and what do you mean "by xvidcap?"05:39
scheater5Anyone know how to upgrade to the newest low latency kernel on Feisty?05:39
bradsnetTheresa: Yes, but it's not a proxy server so you can't connect to it like a proxy unless it is one. Basically I was just suggesting turning on auto-proxy detection in konq and see if it works, I really have no idea why lynx would work by default though...05:39
bloberraylu, take this for example "Package xvidcap is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"05:39
raylublober, what are you trying to install?05:39
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arctanxUmm usually dialup is a simple ppp connection isn't it?05:39
bloberxvidcap, so that i can capture my screen as video and share an app i am doing05:40
bradsnetUsually, but it's not working...05:40
raylublober, it sounds like youo're trying to install something else05:40
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arctanxif so, you just need to make sure you're routing table's right, and boom, you're off05:40
blober??? sudo apt-get install xvidcap05:41
bloberraylu, is this trying to install something else?05:41
bradsnetHmm, so last time I installed the restricted-manager and used it it killed my system (I think) this time, when I try to run it I get a seg fault.05:41
raylublober, guess no05:41
prakis there anyone who is successful in installing piklab after downloading its dependencies?05:42
bloberraylu, i am running edgy, where can i check for bugs on the repository?05:42
raylublober, er...what do you mean bugs "on" the repository?05:42
blobera software system mal function05:42
blober? is that ok?05:43
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prakis there anyone who is successful in installing piklab after downloading its dependencies?05:46
_2there is no one here but you that knows what piklab is...05:46
raylublober, m...no idea what you're talking about; brb05:47
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bradsnetOkay, I got my video issues all worked out. In the sense that it's now using the correct resolution, and everything looks good... do I still need to install the nvidia driver package? And if so, why?05:51
bradsnetAnd if I were to install say a game and try to get opengl working, it would work without installing said packages?05:52
_2and because "if it aint broke, don't fix it"05:52
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_2and say like if you give false information you  will get wrong answers   i.e.  "<bradsnet> Okay, I got my video issues all worked out."05:53
_2so if the vidio issues are all worked out    then they are all worked out....05:54
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=== dr_Willis wonders what video issues are being refered to
bradsnetI stand by my statements. I got my video issues worked out. I'm now simply wondering if I'll have any video issues in the future should I decide to do certain things.05:56
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_2then   yes05:56
dr_Willisi can guess.. YES.. some time in the future you will have issues...05:56
dr_Willisperahso not for ages.. but eventually yes. :)05:56
_2yes    you will05:56
dr_Willisgiven the vageness of the discussion05:57
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dr_Willisa lot depends on your video card.05:57
dr_Willisand how old it is.05:57
bradsnetWell, I did say what those specific things were before doc. _2 is intentionally obfuscating my statements for some reason unknown to me.05:57
bradsnetnvidia geforce 6800 ultra05:57
dr_Willisi just joined.. so i dident see any of it.05:57
bradsnetNo worries.05:58
_2and what you try to get it to do     (appended to dr_Willis' privious post)05:58
dr_Willisfor full 3d gameing - you will want to be using the 'nvidia' drivers.05:58
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dr_Willisusing the repositories is the safest way to do so. (or the restricted-manager tool)05:58
dr_Willisusing just the 'nv' driver  proberly will work for most of your needs. but some things will need the 'nvidia' drivers.05:59
_2doc   i think he just did that and then reloaded     if i'm not mistaken05:59
bradsnetAnd when I first installed kubuntu I couldn't get it to the right resolution... someone suggested the restricted manager, so I used that, and when it was done and I rebooted my system wouldn't load... I don't think it was just no video, it started booting then just stopped. No disk activity, no video, no nothin...05:59
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bradsnetSo I reinstalled kubuntu... I tried to run the restricted-manager again, but now when I do it seg faults.06:00
kroweQt: 3.3.706:00
kroweKDE: 3.5.606:00
krowekde-config: 1.006:00
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bradsnetSo, I played with the settings enough, and finally got it looking right... and your last statement was very helpful.06:01
kroweBeer load [      \              ]  30%06:01
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dr_Willis'system wouldent load' is vague. :) did the consoles work?  do you have just a pc monitor hooked up?06:02
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_2heh one sure fire way to tell if someone is too drunk to drive,   they insist on driving and wont give you the keys without a fight...06:02
dr_WillisI had a machine. with tv hooked up. when i installed the nvidia drivers. it defaulted to the tv out. (oddly) so i 'thought' it was messed up. but   I turned on the tv. and there was the X display. :)06:03
bradsnetI'm not sure I could reproduce that situation if I wanted to doc, It's a laptop, but I have both that display and a tv hooked up. I read that on ... some page I can't remember, and so I knew to check that, I turned on the tv, nothing there as well.06:04
bradsnetI didn't check the consoles.06:04
dr_Willisi had a friend with a laptop. on  his.. for some reason he has to hit the 'switch monitors' hotkey sequence.  on the laptop keys. to get it to show on the.06:05
bradsnetThe only thing I did different on this install is I did all of the updates available. But this time when I try to use the restricted manager I get a huge stack trace and a seg fault.06:05
dr_Willison the lcd.. Oddly. :) it only seems ot be needed SOMETIMES on his laptop06:05
Salty_ChodeI'm from America.  If you think you can take my keys, bring it on snapperhead06:05
sea_4_everis it just me : or is the KTron game EXTREMELY addictive?06:06
bradsnetHmm, I don't have a key that does that. My work machine does though so I know what you mean, but I think this system is different...06:06
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_2Salty_Chode so where are you now ?06:06
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bradsnetIn that it works like a typical dual card. When I had windows I flipped back and forth with the software... and it seems I can do the same now, I've yet to try it because I'm using the KVM for my ubuntu box at the moment, which is why I can chat here as I do this stuff.06:07
Salty_ChodeIt's hard to tell. It's dark.  When I breath there is the smell of the ocean - but not in a good way.  It's like being cabin boy on an Alaskin crabing vessal.  Should I  be worried?06:09
bradsnetAnyhow, what's the package name of the nvidia driver again?06:09
_2not as long as no body says "hold still"06:10
bradsnetAnd if I install the package, will I have to do anything else after that?06:10
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:10
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bradsnetYes, but that tells me to use the restricted manager, which I just pointed out bombs when I run it.06:12
_2it's something like   sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvconfig --activate      or some such.06:12
_2look at the rest of the page....  links to other methoods06:12
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Salty_ChodeLast night I had this dream that I was in prison.  My cellmate took advantage of me.  The funny thing is though - when I awoke the next morining, the window was open and my back was sticky???????????06:13
_2that was errr not even a good one to leave on...06:14
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Hardy_Hey there06:16
dr_Willis restricted manager  just downloads/intalls the proper  packages.06:16
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Hardy_I just installed Gutsy and konquerer won't access the web at all..06:16
dr_Willisit pays to read/learn all about how the xorg.conf is confiogured. :) and backup your working ones.06:16
intelikeyooops that wasn't /clear  that was /quit....06:16
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Hardy_icr works, the adept package manager is downloading, but no web !06:17
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bradsnetThat's odd someone else was just in here saying the same thing about konq with no web.06:17
intelikeyHardy_ didn't we just talk about that ?06:17
Hardy_I don't know. THis is the very first time I've joined this channel, ever.06:18
bradsnetAre you using dial-up?06:18
intelikeyok  someone was jsut here with the same issue.06:19
Hardy_So, I suppose it's a verified problem then. So what is the solution then ?06:19
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Hardy_No dial-up, dsl06:19
intelikeyand no we didn't get it fixed.06:19
bradsnetYeah, the other person said lynx worked though.06:19
bradsnetNot that that helps much.06:19
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dr_Willisive seen people come in ehre saying web dident work, irc does.. befor, :)06:20
dr_Willisnever have figured out exactly whats going on with that.06:20
intelikeythey went away disgrunteled ?06:20
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Hardy_Well here I am! What configuration options should I check then?06:20
intelikeyfirewall ?    maybe port 80 is blocked06:21
Hardy_wget works also.06:21
rayluwhat browser, Hardy_?06:21
bradsnetOkay, I did something dumb. The restricted manager worked again for some reason, but now i'm back to my other problem... no x. consoles work.06:21
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intelikeyx consoles ?06:22
Hardy_and Im currently downloading plenty of crap with adept, that's also http06:22
intelikeywhat's that ?   konsole ?06:22
dr_WillisNo X, but the consoles are working. :) i think he said.06:22
Hardy_konqueror browser doesn't work for the web.06:22
Hardy_I'll try firefix after the current flood of update is complete.06:23
dr_Willistry entering a web site based on its ip address.06:23
rayludr_Willis, wget needs dns resolution too, so that can't be the problem06:23
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dr_Willisraylu,  i would think lynx would also...  and irc.. but   who can tell. :)06:23
intelikeydr_Willis could be...  only bradsnet can say for sure06:23
bradsnetYes, doc has it right.06:24
dr_Willisjust trying out some other testing tidbits06:24
Hardy_Hehe, I coincidentally tried the exact same address: Could not connect to host
bradsnetI tried running nvidia-xconfig and rebooting, no dice.06:25
intelikeybradsnet ok.   then it's xorg.conf that is hosed    or possably the module is not right for that card06:25
intelikeyi'd look into the conf file.06:25
Hardy_It's not a firewall or tcp issue, so far it's just konqueror.06:26
bradsnetThe other person had the exact same issue.06:26
intelikeyHardy_ sorry i lost track,  did you install ff and try it ?06:26
bradsnetintelikey: Look into?06:26
Hardy_No, I'm still im mid-upgrade from original boot-install06:27
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Hardy_probably 5 more minutes, then I'll be able to dl ff06:27
dr_Willislots of updates eh... :)06:27
intelikeybradsnet yeah.     sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf     but if you don't know anything about it's syntax,  then just ignore that.06:27
rayluis compiz fusion stable/usable/recommended?06:28
dr_Willisnvidia-xconfig i Thought needed some options.06:28
Hardy_Yes, and it's the latest herd gutsy release, but 144 packages to update06:28
dr_Willisraylu,  Id say play with it on a live cd.. or some system youdont care about.06:28
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raylulol, ok; ill stick with beryl, i guess06:28
MarcCanybody know how I can restart kwallet?06:28
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rayluMarcC...close it and run it again? unless you want to HUP06:29
MarcCraylu: there's no command called "kwallet"06:29
Hardy_launch it from a konsole shell ?06:29
intelikeywont dcop get taht06:29
intelikeythat even06:29
Hardy_there is a kwalletmanager though06:29
MarcCdoesn't start the wallet, just the manager06:29
rayluMarcC, what program needs kwallet?06:29
MarcCraylu: kopete06:29
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Hardy_type kwalletmanager from a konsole and it will jump into the task bar06:30
bradsnetWell I did it anyway.06:30
rayluthen shouldn't killing the wallet and then connecting with kopete do it?06:30
MarcCrestarting kopete doesn't help - I had to kill kded and now kwallet won't do anything - won't load FTP sites in konqueror, etc.06:30
MarcCraylu: nope06:30
bradsnetdr_Willis: The binarydriverhowto doesn't mention any parms for nvidia-xconfig.06:30
MarcCI think it's this bug: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070830.040304.b6758e2a.en.html06:30
dr_Willisi normally use it to enable twinview06:30
intelikeybradsnet you can as a last resort,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh      to reset it to the 'nv' driver.06:31
dr_Willistry nvidia-xconfig -A , for deteiled help.. :) of course Ive also read enough stuff over the ages. to know what nvidia-xconfig is actually doing to the xorg.conf.06:31
Hardy_Are there any [k|ed] ?ubuntu developers in here ?06:31
dr_WillisGotta love old-skool hand editing of the xorg.conf06:31
Hardy_sounds like slackware06:32
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intelikeygota love old-school .06:33
dr_Willisactually i think normally its just a matter of installing the nvidia-glx package, (and 1 or 2 others) then change  'Driver "nv"' to "Driver 'nvidia'" in the xorg.conf06:33
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intelikeyreboot with the correct kernel ^   and youre in.06:34
dr_Willisyep. that helps. :)06:35
bradsnetdr_Willis: Nothing in -A seems applicable.06:35
intelikeyi'm wondering if he's not booting the propper kernel06:35
GuyFromHellhow difficult is it to resize an ext3 partition (shrink)06:35
dr_Willisgparted can do it - i do belive06:36
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GuyFromHelldr_Willis:... i love gparted...06:36
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dr_Willisshrin king some other type of fs's can be a bit harder.06:36
dr_WillisI 'moved/resized' ext3 today on my laptop.. took almost 2 hrs.. ICK! :006:36
intelikeyqtparted should.   there are other ways.  but there is no substitute for "BACKUPS" never forget that.06:36
GuyFromHellright-o, /me pets his usb key06:37
dr_Willis usb key = used to run the parted-livecd system.06:37
dr_Willisfor me. :006:37
GuyFromHelli hope it worked then?06:37
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stimulusevening all06:38
bradsnetOkay, I used reconfigure to use the nvidia drivers... even though it was already doing that in theory... if it doesn't work I'll change it back to nv.06:39
bradsnetdpkg-reconfigure that is.06:39
stimulusi usually perfer the closed source drivers because they tend to be more stable at times06:39
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Biovorestimulus: depends..06:40
stimulusbut the opensource drivers, when you get them working, will give you some really nice features06:40
stimulussuch as beryl06:40
stimulusand so on06:40
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Biovoreberyl isn't a driver..06:40
intelikeynvidia closed surce is so stable on this box it wont even start...06:40
stimulusberyl is a desktop manager06:40
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Biovorethe problem with pre-canned stuff is it only works on what they tested..  do something weird or different.. you get screwed..06:41
stimulusfrom my understanding06:41
BiovoreThats why having the source for stuff is nice..06:41
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BiovoreI can make it work for what I want it to do..06:41
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bradsnetThink I'll have any better luck with nvidia-glx-new?06:42
Biovorebradsnet: what nvidia card?06:42
stimuluswhat nvidia card do you have?06:42
intelikeyyou stand benieth it very well06:42
bradsnet6800 go ultra06:42
Biovorethe new one should work06:42
stimulusdoes the opensource driver support your card?06:42
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Biovorethe open source driver doesn't do opengl acceleration..06:43
dr_Willisnvidia-glx-new is what i use for my desktop 680006:43
Biovorenvidia never released specs on that..06:43
bradsnetIs "nv" the open driver?06:43
stimulusbesides that one sounds like a mobile card, some of the eye candy in ubuntu may or may not work too good with some mobile cards06:43
fignewbradsnet: yes06:43
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bradsnetIf so, yes.06:43
bradsnetthanks fig.06:43
stimulusok well its not a mobile card06:43
intelikeyi think it is06:44
Hardy_firefox works fine, but konqueror still won't access the web.06:44
stimulususually, with nvidia cards, the "go" resembles a mobile card06:44
intelikeyHardy_ file a bug on it please06:44
stimuluslike my laptop, it has an Nvidia geforce 2 go06:44
intelikey!bug | Hardy_06:44
ubotuHardy_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:44
bradsnetIt's an alienware desktop replacement laptop... hard to tell sometimes what it's using, but I know it is a mobile card.06:44
Hardy_for the bots ?06:45
intelikeyno for konq06:45
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fignewkonq won't access the web?06:45
stimuluskonqueror accesses web06:45
MarcCok, I solved my kded cpu usage with kwallet problem by deleting kwalletrc and logging in again...where can I report this?06:45
intelikeyfignew correct,   second report in about as many hours06:46
Biovore!bug | MarcC:06:46
ubotuMarcC:: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:46
Hardy_My knoqueror won't access the web, it's a popular bug now.06:46
fignewOn Feisty?06:46
stimuluskonqueror worked just fine on the web, but i mostly used firefox06:46
bradsnetSomeone was in here earlier with the same complaint too.06:46
stimulusbut i also updated my kubuntu 7.0406:46
Hardy_on kubuntu tribe-5 x64, konqueror will not access the web.06:47
bradsnetI reconfigured to nv, hopefully that will work again.06:47
Biovorekonqueror works fine here..06:47
BiovoreHardy_: its beta still06:47
bradsnetYeah, that's working.06:47
Biovoretribe-5 is the next release.. its a pre-release for testing..06:47
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fignewbradsnet: do you wan't the closed source driver?06:47
Hardy_I'm complaining, but not bitterly :-)06:47
bradsnetThe only reason I care is because I eventually want to try to get a game working.06:48
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bradsnetSo yes, in a way.06:48
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bradsnetBut it wouldn't end my life if I couldn't.06:48
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Hardy_Also the KNetworkManager says no active device, which may be relevant06:48
fignewbradsnet: but it's not working?06:48
bradsnetI tried nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new.06:49
BiovoreI am not messing with gusty that much here.. Looking forward to herion (the next LTS release)06:49
fignew(sorry for re-asking all the questions) What error do you get?06:49
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bradsnetJust boots with no video, I have to go to a console to do anything.06:50
fignewchange it back to nvidia06:51
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fignewand restart X06:51
bradsnetSomeone suggested it could be outputting to the external video port... but I tested that.06:51
bradsnetAnd then what fig?06:51
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fignewthen in the console nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log06:51
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fignewso he can do a search06:52
intelikeyyou can search in less06:52
Biovoreand..  less can too06:52
fignewscrew that06:52
brian__I had this dream where the planet was united and there were no software wars.  We all decided on one OS to represent the Human Race.06:52
Hardy_Shit, I have to log in to report a bug? What an imposition.06:53
Hardy_Anyhow someone already reported the konqueror bug, and there's a workaround06:53
bradsnetRestarting now.06:53
intelikey   /string to search for [enter]    for forward   ?string   for reverse search06:53
fignewbrian__: The perfect world would have no OS's (your world sucks)06:53
Hardy_disable the cache and konqueror will access the web. Maybe someone could tell the channel bot.06:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:54
Biovorein the future.. the OS will all be in hardware..06:54
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:54
Hardy_How do we feed the bots here ?06:54
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!06:54
hydrogencourse you did!06:54
brian__Finally after years of struggle, the people of the planet decided to focus there energies outwards twords space exploration.06:55
stimulusi have a paypal based question06:56
brian__unfortunately Tom Cruise fucked it up with his volcano gods...06:56
fignewbrian__: what struggle?06:56
intelikeyubotu konq-bug is 'there is a bug in the gutsy konqueror, you can work around this bug by disabling the cache'06:56
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bradsnetfignew: K, got the log.06:56
stimuluson paypal with there free account, i know you can send, but can you receive money?06:56
fignewdo a search for EE06:56
fignewctrl+W in nano06:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konq-bug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:56
stimulusim asking because my company is going to be paying me via paypal06:56
intelikeyHardy_ it will have to be processed06:56
Zaqqwhen can we expect KDE4?06:57
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fignewbradsnet: do any errors show up?06:57
Biovorestimulus: yes.. but paypal takes a cut off the top..06:57
intelikeyHardy_ there is no "dirrect editing" of ubotu06:57
brian__(that was a Scientology joke)06:57
stimulusbiov >> how much?06:57
Biovorezhan: might be an add on in gusty06:57
BiovoreZaqq: not planed until herion06:58
bradsnetWell, I'm having to skip through a bunch of "free" and other such things....06:58
BiovoreRelease canidate for kde4 planned in sept - oct time frame06:58
Hardy_Yes, any text change must pass 5 levels of verification, before we see all the typos06:58
bradsnetokay, got one.06:58
bradsnetDoesn't look good.06:58
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Hardy_Is there a *buntu wiki instead ?06:59
bradsnetfailed to init the nvidia kernel module.06:59
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Biovorebradsnet: sudo modprobe nvidia06:59
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intelikeyHardy_ indeed06:59
bradsnetPlease ensure blah balh.06:59
ubotuhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.06:59
fignewright Biovore, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart06:59
fignewbradsnet: yep, I'm that good ;)06:59
BiovoreI do xinit from the console to check if x is going to work.. then you get errors on the screen as text.. makes more sense to me..07:00
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bradsnetThis a common issue?07:00
brian__Sometimes, after a large bowl of miniwheats, it hurts when I poop.07:00
fignewbradsnet: common stumbling point07:00
bradsnetIt appears to be restarting x...07:00
coreymon77brian__: what?!07:00
coreymon77brian__: was that really necessary?07:01
Biovorehmm miniwheats...07:01
Zaqqwrong window07:01
bradsnetFor my curiosity... what is the issue?07:01
fignewdid it work?07:01
bradsnetHmm. I've got a blinking cursor... doesn't seem to be doing anything.07:01
Biovoresounds like X didn't start07:01
fignewit's not really an issue, it's a matter of the X driver being loaded, and not the kernel driver07:02
brian__Sorry, I meant to say: "Sometimes after breakfast, when I install linux on a new box, it hurts when I poop"07:02
fignewand the X driver can't function without the kernel driver07:02
fignewlol Biovore07:02
fignewyou win07:02
Biovoretry just doing a xinit on the console..07:02
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intelikeyxinit ???07:02
Biovorefrom the console07:03
bradsnetFatal error.07:03
bradsnetno screens found.07:03
Hardy_brian__ if it's an intermittant problem we can't debug it. Did you get a core dump?07:03
bradsnettons of other stuff.07:03
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Biovorebradsnet: yeah.. your xorg.conf file is missing some stuff..07:03
brian__Hardy - you make me proud!07:03
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bradsnetBear is the person who had that issue before.07:04
Bearcatalright folks. I'm gonna give this 1/2 hour more and then i quit07:04
Bearcatyes, thank you07:04
bradsnetbear: Hardy has the same issue.07:04
Bearcati'm going nuts. This is the last bug to fix07:04
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Bearcatwhat was the fix?07:04
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Hardy_I could work for the ubuntu project but the long hours, and low pay, I dunno...07:04
BearcatHardy_: you here?07:04
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Biovoreneed to add a mode line in your xorg.conf07:05
BearcatHardy_: when did it start?07:05
bradsnetmode line... mode line...07:05
Hardy_When did what start ?07:05
fignewBiovore: you got bradsnet, I got to get going07:05
intelikeyHardy_ low pay ????   they pay ?07:05
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Biovorexorg is a pain to deal with for new-commers07:05
BearcatHardy_: are you using dialup as well?07:06
Hardy_Bearcat: No, dsl07:06
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bradsnetFound my way back into the config file.07:06
bradsnetWhat do I add?07:06
intelikeyBearcat are you running futsy 64   as well07:06
Hardy_Bearcat: The konqueror bug is already in the database. The workaround is to disable the cache.07:07
BearcatHardy_: oh07:07
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intelikeyBearcat are you running gutsy 64   as well ?07:07
Bearcatintelikey: no07:07
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Hardy_The bug repost didn't say x6407:07
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Bearcatintelikey: 32-bit install on a 64-bit processor07:07
bradsnetmode line... DRI section? It has mode 0666 now....07:08
intelikeyHardy_ but you said you were on 64 bit   no?07:08
BearcatOH MY....07:08
Bearcatit works07:08
intelikeyBearcat gutsy ?   feisty ?07:08
Hardy_Yes I am on x64.07:08
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brian__ Sometimes, when it comes to configuration problems, I wonder if I'm not just some cheap bastard who doesn't want to pay for software.07:08
Biovorehttp://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/Linux/xorg.conf <-- example xorg.conf for a nvidia card.07:08
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intelikeyok i'm just trying to keep up with this...07:08
Hardy_I would update the bug database, but SUCH an imposition to create an account. What were they thinking?07:09
BearcatHardy_: thank you so much! I can go home and SLEEP now!07:09
intelikeyBearcat what version ?07:09
intelikeyBearcat gutsy ?   feisty ?07:09
Bearcati forget.. 7.0407:09
Hardy_I could just revert to another distribution, and tell you to screw off.07:09
intelikey7.10 ?07:09
bradsnetMine looks one heck of a lot like that, any idea what might be different?07:09
intelikeyBearcat please run      lsb_release -a    in a konsole07:10
Biovorewell if you got an nivida card.. you basicly can use that.. just change the resolutions in the list.07:10
BearcatHardy_: *whispers* don't tell anyone but i use sourcemage on my  main machine and i never have these problems. Of course i have different problems...07:10
brian__Hardy makes me horny07:10
intelikeyBearcat !   help me help the next guy.07:10
Bearcatintelikey: Distributor ID: Ubuntu07:10
BearcatDescription:    Ubuntu 7.0407:10
BearcatRelease:        7.0407:10
BearcatCodename:       feisty07:10
intelikeyok  thank you.07:10
Bearcatintelikey: i will. for sure07:10
intelikeyso that issue is in a konq update in fiesty ?     there will be lots of people asking about it then...07:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konq-bug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:12
bradsnet...okay, how can I get that to my system from just a console?07:12
intelikeythat bug need marked "serious"    or higher.07:12
Hardy_The bot is Still in commmittee. The channel will have to relay the info manually.07:12
Hardy_The workaround is easy, but not easy ti guess.07:12
brian__Just to clarify, Hardy doen't make me horny in a "gay" way, just in a "get to know my OS better way".07:13
intelikeyHardy_ i don't expect that before tomarrow.07:13
Hardy_How much karma would I get if I fixed that bug?07:13
intelikeybrian__ isn't that about enough.07:14
Hardy_Hell it's probably already fixed, but still in some elaborate code-review testing procedure.07:14
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intelikeyHardy_ prolly07:14
Hardy_So where is my motivation to contribute to the project ?07:15
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intelikeydid we burry bradsnet   and his driver issue ?   or did he get it fixed ?07:15
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brian__Is "intelikey" your family name?07:17
Bearcatok, we're still not getting email in kmail, but i can verify through the ISP imap that it *is* getting through07:19
Bearcatit's just not showing up in kmail;07:20
BiovoreBearcat: works here..  I have serverial imap email accounts..07:20
BearcatBiovore: yeah, but kmail is not downloading from those accounts.07:21
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bradsnetI reconfigured again and tried to match the settings in the xorg.conf biovore sent me.07:21
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bradsnetAnd I'm back to the blinking cursor.07:22
Biovorebradsnet: lsmod | grep nvidia07:22
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brian__jewno i dink ju no wut i mejn07:23
bradsnetI see nvidia 6837140 007:23
bradsneti2c_core 22656 2 i2c_ec,nvidia07:23
bloberwhich app do you use in kubuntu to edit mpeg video files. Like simple cut, this, fade that. and glue this07:23
Hardy_knemo isn't installed by defalut ?!07:23
Biovorebradsnet: ok so the driver looks like its loaded..07:23
bradsnetapgart 35400 2 nvidia,intel_agp07:23
bradsneter agp07:24
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bradsnetYeah, when it wasn't loading I think I was getting the no video at all... now I'm getting a cursor... hey, I wonder if now it's outputting to the wrong screen, one sec....07:24
Biovorebradsnet: try a ctrl-alt-f707:25
Biovoreor a ctrl-alt-f107:25
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bradsnetwell that's how I'm getting to a console now....07:25
Biovoreyou getting any errors?07:26
bradsnetheh, the blinking cursor is on both screens.07:27
bradsnetNo errors.07:27
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bradsnetf1 goes to console 1, f7 goes back to the blinking cursor.07:27
Biovorewhat does it say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log07:27
Biovoreyeah.. no X-server is running if your seeing the blinking cursor..07:27
Hardy_What does the ctl-alt-f8 say ? Mine says starting kdm...etc07:28
Biovorebradsnet: you have xterm installed?07:28
bradsnetblinking cursor in f8, don't have xterm... I don't think.07:28
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BiovoreYou doing that xinit thing?07:28
intelikeybradsnet word,  "don't burn your self out on this one thing.   set it to nv and use it a while then attack it again at another date,  when you are fresh and want the challange.    one can easily let the one misconfigured/borked/or hosed  app become an opsession, and waste needless hours on nothing."    the half hour came and went!07:28
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Biovorebradsnet: that xinit thing requires xterm.. might need to do a "sudo apt-get install xterm"07:29
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bradsnetwell, xinit does something, but nothing good.07:29
bradsnetuh, in the log I have that failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module.07:30
Biovoreany more detail?07:30
bradsnetLater it says screens found but none have usable configuration.07:30
Biovoreyou change up the resolutions in the xorg.conf file to match your monitor?07:30
brian__The kubunto logon screen is offensive to me because I was told Germans made the first version of kbuntu and I'm confused because I've dated Germans who are circumsized just like me.07:30
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Biovorebradsnet: might need to update your monitor section as well07:32
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_aaa/msg nickserv IDENTIFY <696186202>07:34
bradsnetJust for kicks when I reconfigured I turned on all the resolutions it had listed, still no dice.07:34
bradsnet1920x1200 is the native resolution of my display though.07:34
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bradsnetI really just need that and 1024x768 though.07:35
Biovoresame here..  I am on a dell laptop with a nvidia 1920x1200 as well07:35
Biovorethe _aaa guy07:35
Bearcatyanno, since i can connect to my isp;s imap and i can send, i suspect they may behaving problems with thier pop3 server07:35
bradsnetoh heh, did he just send his password?07:35
bradsnetoh well07:36
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intelikeyi don't think nickserv will accept a passwd beginning with <> or !07:37
Biovorebradsnet: if you set the driver to "vesa" dose it work then?07:37
Biovoreintelikey: I think your right..07:37
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bradsnetWell it works when I set it to nv.07:37
bradsnetI could try vesa if you think it would help....07:37
intelikeyit wont help07:37
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Biovorewell thats good.. your xorg is probably ok..07:38
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Biovorecould try a reboot if you havn't done that already..  the ubuntu's nvidia install does everything in Threaded Local Storage schmantics07:38
Biovoreso you have to make sure that one weird service is started to setup those links..07:38
Bearcatwell folks, thanks so much for the help. I'm outta here.07:39
intelikeyBearcat welcome07:39
bradsnetI'v ebeen rebooting between almost everything I've done.07:39
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:39
Bearcat*scampers off*07:39
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prak i have a problem with installing piklab; i'm running kubuntu 7.04. i've tried to install piklab-0.14.5-1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm and then use alien to convert it to deb file from piklab's sourceforge webiste, but i can't run the program after installation07:39
prakthe output is shown in http://www.pastebin.ca/67761807:40
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prak i have also installed all the dependencies as described in the online documentation in http://piklab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compilation_for_Linux07:40
Biovoreprak: when you use alien to move the rpm to deb.. you lost all the dependency info.. you have manual handle that now..07:41
Biovoreprak: the error you got is because something is missing from the install.. (Probably a dependency)07:41
bradsnetnvidia's stuff?07:41
Biovorebradsnet: I don't use ubuntu's packaged nvidia driver..07:42
Biovorebradsnet: I goto nvidia.com and download there thing and compile the kernel interface and install it..07:42
intelikeypark why didn't you try the   --scripts  switch as perscribed by the app  ?07:42
intelikeyline 3 on your pastebin park07:42
bradsnetI assume they have instructions?07:42
Biovorebradsnet: There is a readme that sorta discribes it.. it not hard.. you just have to know a little bit about how to compile stuff..  I think there are howtos on the forums07:43
Biovorebradsnet: basicly all you need on ubuntu to the kernel-headers and build-essential packages07:44
Biovorebradsnet: then run there installer07:44
Biovorebradsnet: but before going to that.. you should uninstall ubuntu's nvidia driver thing..07:44
Hardy_Can you people see youtube videos ?07:44
Biovorebradsnet: make sure you purge the package as well.. it will mess everything up..07:44
intelikeybradsnet i.e.   bash nvidia*.run      to run the installer07:45
Biovorebradsnet: if you don't07:45
BiovoreHardy_: yup07:45
BiovoreHardy_: firefox and konqueror here..07:45
Biovore<-- 32bit feisty07:45
intelikey!flash | Hardy_07:45
ubotuHardy_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash07:45
bradsnetI would love to do that... but now.... nv isn't working for me anymore... . :(07:45
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Hardy_I've installed gnash07:46
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bradsnetokay, got it working again... that scared me.07:46
BiovoreHardy_: yeah.. gnash dosn't really work all that good..07:46
intelikeybradsnet run the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh    again. and it should.07:46
BiovoreHardy_: there is flash9 for linux07:46
intelikeyoh i'm late.  sorry07:46
Hardy_So now, instead of saying I need to install a flash player, it just spins and spins, without playing.07:46
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Hardy_Right. That was my question. Which one works..07:47
BiovoreHardy_: yeah.. gnash does weirdness..07:47
BiovoreI use flash9 here.. works on google video and youtube07:47
ubotuAn open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/07:47
Hardy_I had gnash work on another distribution though (Sidux)07:47
prakBiovore: are you talking about "piklab: error while loading shared libraries: libpcreposix.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?07:47
Biovoreprak: yup.. that looks like a dependency07:48
Biovoreis missing07:48
praki checked on adept and i can't find that file07:48
intelikeyit looks to me like the "postinst" script didn't run because it wasn't converted.07:48
Biovoreprak: yeah.. adept is packages.. not files..07:48
Biovoreprak: try.. packages.ubuntu.com07:49
Biovoreprak: I think you can search for files in packages there..07:49
intelikeysudo alien --scripts piklab-0.14.5-1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm     and reinstall it.07:49
Biovorewell its not a script problem..07:49
Biovoreyou looses dependency info when you alien a rpm07:49
prakBiovore: the problem is that I've had a lot of problems installing from the tarball provided as well07:50
Hardy_BUMMER: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer.07:50
Biovoreprak: you have all the development tools installed?07:50
prakBiovore: yes07:51
prakBiovore: all the development tools listed on http://piklab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compilation_for_Linux anyway07:51
Biovoreprak: also I found your missing dep probably..  apt-get install libpcre3-dev07:52
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Biovoreprak: sudo apt-get install libpcre307:52
Biovorethat rpm should work now..07:53
prakBiovore: i've already installed libpcre3-dev and libpcre307:53
Biovorewhat was the name of the dep?07:53
Biovoremight need a symlink.. version numbers might missmatch..07:53
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praki meant libpcreposix.so.0, Biovore07:54
level1hi guys, I have two programs that both want to use oss, teamspeak 2 and counterstrike source on wine.  I want to be able to hear sound from both of them at the same time, but I can't07:54
Biovoreprak: ok that would be the problem.. you have libpcreposix.so.307:54
prakBiovore: how would i fix the problem?07:55
Biovoreprak: sudo ls -s /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.3 /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.007:55
Biovorethe program is looking for .so.0  we have .so.307:55
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Biovoreours is new version..07:55
Biovorethen what its looking for..07:55
intelikeyyou mean   ln07:55
Biovoreshould still work though..07:55
Biovoreyeah ln07:55
Biovoreprak: s/ls/ln07:56
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prakBiovore: what do you mean by s/ls/ln?07:56
Biovoreregular expresion for replace07:56
Biovorels is replaced by ln07:56
Biovoreits on of the unix nerd things..07:57
intelikeybut ignores the missing .deb postinst script that would have probably linked that lib for him....07:57
bradsnet...what is the name of the libc package?07:57
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prakBiovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677630 shows the output07:57
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BiovoreIt wouldn't link it..07:57
Biovoreprak: do those file exists?07:57
intelikeybradsnet libc607:57
Biovoreintelikey: I think libc6 is on ubuntu by default..07:58
Biovorelibpcre3 needs it as a dep07:58
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intelikeyBiovore and ?07:58
prakBiovore: don't think so07:58
praki've just checked07:58
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Biovoreprak: you installed libpcre3 ?07:58
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bradsnetIs the "libc development package" something seperate, because the nvidia deal says I don't have it.07:59
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intelikeybradsnet yes07:59
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Biovorebradsnet: sudo apt-get install build-essential07:59
Biovore^ add that07:59
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prakBiovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677632 shows that libpcre3 is installed08:00
Biovoreprak: ls /usr/lib | grep libpcre08:00
Biovoreshould see a bunch of them..08:00
Biovorealot of stuff uses that package08:01
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prakBiovore: i see a bunch of them08:01
Biovoreso there should be one called libpcreposix.so.308:01
prakand i see libpcreposix.so.308:01
Biovoreyes that the dep08:01
bradsnetRestarting now, I'm about to see if that worked.08:01
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Biovorebut you need make a symlink to it called libpcreposix.so.008:02
Biovore^ that the name that app is looking for..08:02
Biovorewe have .3 it wants .008:02
BiovoreA symlink is a bit like a short-cut08:02
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bradsnetAnd after all that it's back to cursor blinkyness.08:03
intelikeycould hard link them, then dpkg wouldn't break the package on the next update...08:03
prakBiovore: should sudo ls -s /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.3 /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.0 do it?08:03
BiovoreI think.. I might the operands backwards.. and its ln not ls08:04
intelikeybackwards ?  no08:04
Biovorecould be.. I didn't type it in or anything..08:04
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intelikeyln [options]  existing link.name08:05
Biovoreok I guess thats right then..08:05
bradsnetGoing back to nv I guess.....08:05
prakBiovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/67763508:06
praklooks like it still wants the old one08:06
bradsnetI'm gonna have to give up on this for now. Thanks for trying biovore.08:07
intelikeybradsnet hate to hear it.  but like i said,  don't burn out on it.   there's always another day to play computer engineer08:07
Biovoreprak: ldd piklab08:07
bradsnetheh, late again.08:07
prakBiovore: output: "ldd: ./piklab: No such file or directory"08:07
bradsnetBut, one more thing I want to try tonight... someone linked me to something before about a package to install for common media codecs... anyone have that link?08:08
Biovoreprak: where is piklab ?08:08
Biovorein /usr/bin ?08:08
Biovoreldd <path>/piklab08:08
intelikeypark  or no path even08:08
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hangthedjis this right? 'patch file.cpp file.patch'08:09
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prakBiovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677641 shows the output08:09
Biovoreprak: sudo ldconfig -v08:10
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Biovoreprak: that will update the linker cache..08:10
Biovorethen try again..08:10
intelikeyldd is a bash script...    bah.08:11
Biovoreprak: this looks kinda cool..  Looks like no one has made a deb for it.. Sounds like a project.. :-)08:11
prakBiovore: doing so right now08:11
prakhow hard is it to make a deb for it?08:11
Biovoreintelikey: ldd <-- dynamic linker08:11
praki saw some articles on ubuntu wiki08:11
Biovorelinks the deps into a runnable executable08:11
intelikeyBiovore  file /usr/bin/ldd08:12
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intelikeyldd is a bash script...    bah.08:12
Biovoreif you type ldd on the console.. what you get?08:12
BiovoreI get the dynamic linker08:12
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Biovoreldd --version08:13
prakBiovore: should i restart my computer?08:13
Biovoreno need.. wouldn't fix anything..08:13
prakb/c piklab still won't start08:14
Biovorestill saying can't fine those deps?08:14
intelikeygrep -nie 'dynamic linker' /usr/bin/ldd08:14
intelikey23:# run-time dynamic linker as a command and setting the environment08:14
intelikey178:      # the dynamic linker.08:14
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tommymanndoes anyone know how to reprogram the mouse buttons?08:15
Biovoreah.. your saying /usr/bin/ldd is a script..08:15
Biovoretommymann: yes..08:15
prakBiovore: piklab: error while loading shared libraries: libpcreposix.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:15
Biovoreyou can remap your buttons with xmodmap08:15
prakthat's the output08:15
Biovoreprak: rgr.. so its still not finding the dep..08:15
Biovorewell I guess we can try the other approach and install from source..08:15
prakBiovore: we could try the tarball again08:16
Biovoreprak: ok so looking at the install requirments.. its a kde applications right..08:16
prakand there's another rpm that uses Qt to make and install08:16
BiovoreQt --> kde app08:16
intelikeyerrr ummm  did i stutter or something?  <intelikey> ldd is a bash script...    bah.  <intelikey> Biovore  file /usr/bin/ldd    </blinks>08:16
praki think it's a kde application08:16
prakBiovore: looking at http://piklab.sourceforge.net/download.php08:17
tommymanndo you know how to turn off the scroll bar as a button08:17
tommymannscroll wheel08:17
Biovoreprak: well you will probably need the following packages..  apt-get install kde-devel libqt3-mt-dev08:17
Biovoretommymann: yeah.. look into xmodmap08:18
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ubotuEnabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto08:18
Biovoregoogle xmodmap08:18
tommymannI've got xmodmap up08:18
tommymannbut I can't make much sense of it08:18
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tommymannI see plenty on how to add extra buttons08:19
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tommymannbut not how to remove a button on ubuntu forums08:19
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Biovoretommymann: xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"08:19
intelikeycan't reverse engineer the process ?    i'll go look08:20
tommymannthat just flips the buttons around08:20
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tommymannI'm on a laptop and I'm getting tired of pasting things when I accidently hit the scroll thing08:20
Biovoredisabling a buttion would be more xorg driver thing..08:21
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tommymannI'm looking at the xmodmap manual and don't see anything about removing buttons08:21
Biovoretommymann: you can specify the number of buttons on the mouse in the xorg config file..08:22
raynerdanyone know if there is an edubuntu channel?08:22
Biovore#edbuntu ?08:22
ubotuScanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners08:22
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tommymannok I'll look that up08:22
Biovoretommymann: there is also an option to disable emulateWheel08:22
tommymannwill that get rid of the scroll wheel08:22
tommymannI want it to scroll08:23
tommymannjust not copy and paste08:23
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tommymannor whatever strange function it does08:23
Biovoreyou mean the highlight and paste thing?>08:23
tommymannthat's probably it08:23
intelikeythe !mouse page explains that pretty well.08:23
wolferinewhat is NAT, on server, exactly ? just used to assign IPs to LAN computers ?08:24
tommymannwhere is the !mouse page08:24
ubotuEnabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto08:24
intelikeyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto <<< have a read,  the wheel is buttons 4 and 508:25
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Biovorewolferine: NAT -- Network Address Translation08:25
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Biovorebasicly it allows you to share 1 IP with a network..08:25
holycowhi guys08:25
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holycowdoes kde have an applet that allows you to rotate x via randr like in gnome?08:26
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Biovorerotate x?08:26
holycowim clicking but not finding it08:26
holycowyup rotate08:27
NickPrestaholycow, I don't know of a GUI interface to randr08:27
intelikeyholycow xrandr is avalable08:27
Biovoreyou mean rotate the hole screen..08:27
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holycowi have a umpc with a qtablet feature and that is very busefull08:27
holycowyes maybe proper name is xrandr08:27
intelikey!info xrandr08:27
ubotuxrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB08:27
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NickPrestajust install gnome-randr-applet.08:28
tommymannthanks intelikey and Biovore08:28
holycowi have that was cuous if kde had someting native08:28
prakBiovore: i'll msg you again after the installation is done08:29
prakit's going to take a while b/c of my slow laptop08:29
intelikey!info xserver-xorg08:30
ubotuxserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1320 kB08:30
intelikeyi like that.   "is optional"  :)))08:30
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intelikeymakes for a nice clean system    :)08:32
underdog5004I can make my kernel, but when I do make install, it says 'Fatal: open /dev/: Is a directory08:32
underdog5004how can I fix this?08:32
intelikeyunderdog5004 you using a chroot ?08:33
intelikeymkdir -p /dev    in the chroot08:33
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intelikeylike if the dir aint there make it...08:34
underdog5004there's already a /dev. This isn't kubuntu related...just linux in general08:34
underdog5004oh, hold on...the guide only says to config and compile, not to install...maybe that comes later08:35
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prakBiovore: done installing kde-devel and libqt3-mt-dev08:36
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Biovoreprak: ypu using the C18 compiler?08:38
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prakBiovore: where do you see i need a c18 compiler?08:39
BiovoreI'll take that as a no then..08:40
Biovorec18 compiler is a compiler from microchip for compiling c code for the pic18 series if I am not mistaken..08:40
BiovoreI have used that before..08:40
prakBiovore: i haven't used that before08:42
prakbut i think i would need it08:42
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prakb/c i'm programming on a pic18f microcontroller08:42
raynerd_guys, has anyone modified a live disk before?08:42
Biovoreprak: ok... you do know the c18 compiler isn't free..08:42
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raynerd_I`m a teacher and want to run edubuntu live with my class, but I want to totally remove the install option off the CD08:43
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Biovoreprak: well basicly it dosn't really mater..  just need wine-dev if you do..08:43
Biovorebut I think sdcc does pic08:43
Biovore^ better option of open ness08:43
praksdcc does pic as well, although i don't know how08:44
praki've been having problems with the pickit2 program in windows08:44
prakthat's why i'm switching my development to linux08:44
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raynerd_Anyone help with my modification of a live CD to remove the install, please?08:44
Biovorewell I havn't mucked with sdcc so you'll be on our own there..08:45
hangthedjanybody know what package has kde4-config in it?08:45
Biovorekde4 isn't part of ubunut08:45
raynerd_:-( anyone!?08:45
Biovoreraynerd_: I know it can be done.. I havn't messed with it though..08:45
hangthedjthere are a whole lot of kde4 packages in gutsy08:46
raynerd_right OK, anyone else?08:46
raynerd_I go back to work on Monday and want to use it with my class but don`t dare with the install button there!!08:46
prakBiovore: should i try to install the tarball now?08:46
Biovoreyes.. I am going to build it as well..  Find it kinda intressting..08:47
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Biovoreprak: you might need to apt-get install the sdcc compiler as well08:47
Biovoreprak: ./configure --prefix=/opt/piklab/08:49
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Biovoreor --prefix=/usr/bin08:49
Biovoresecond probably easier and quicker08:49
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Biovorelooks like its building here..08:52
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Biovorethen again.. I do qt4 development stuff on here..  So I have all deps probably..08:52
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prakBiovore: should i type in the command on the extracted contents of the tarball?08:54
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Biovoreprak: yeah..  tar -xvzf <filename>08:56
Biovoreprak: then ./configure --prefix=/usr/bin08:56
Biovorethen make08:56
Biovoreseems to be working here..08:56
Biovorewell.. I am missing on dep it looks like..08:56
raynerd_I`m really confused...new linux user. I`ve just downloaded something and it has come int wo files. .deb and .tar. How do i actually install it, just double click them?08:57
Biovore.deb is like a .msi08:58
Jucato!deb | raynerd_08:58
uboturaynerd_: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)08:58
Biovorebasicly it a binary ready to go..08:58
Biovoreraynerd_: a .tar file a zip file with source code in it..08:58
raynerd_right, whats the tar08:58
Biovoretar - tape archive08:58
Jucatosource code08:58
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Jucatoyou need to compile it most probably08:58
Jucato(well, not 100% accurate but...)08:58
raynerd_ahh right, so i do need them both, but need to double click just the .deb08:58
prakBiovore: i have trouble even unzipping08:59
Biovoreprak: need to come up with a libhistory for this thing to work.. looking for it right now..08:59
Jucatoraynerd_: usually you don't need the both. but what are you trying to install?08:59
raynerd_UCK - Ubuntu custom live CD install program08:59
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raynerd_to help me customise a live CD09:00
Biovoreprak: sudo apt-get install libreadline5-dev   <-- missing dep I found09:00
raynerd_jucato: i want to try and remove the install function off a live cd09:00
Biovoreprak: try tar -xvjf09:00
Biovorez is for .gz and j is for bz209:01
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Jucatoraynerd_: hm.. don't they have detailed instructions on what to do? usually you don't need both .deb (pre-compiled binary installer) and .tar.gz (usually contains source code you need to compile yourself)09:01
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raynerd_jecato: i`ve click install and it seems to be doing its job! fingers crossed!!09:03
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Jucatogood luck...09:03
raynerd_yes! hurraaa its installed09:03
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raynerd_what is a desktop environemnt?09:04
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ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.09:05
Jucato!desktop environment09:05
ubotuA desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.09:05
boubbinis (k)ubuntu's live cd setup able to resize existing ntfs partitions if they have free space ?09:05
Biovorethe buttons you press the window handles..  Thats the windows manager also know as the desktop09:05
ardchoilleThat's an error.. IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM are not desktop environments09:06
Jucatoer.. Window Manager isn't the Desktop Environment...09:06
Biovorexwindows is the thing that takes messages from the desktop and renders them on the screen09:06
Jucatothat's also not complete :)09:06
Biovoreboubbin: In theory yes..  I havn't used it in a while..09:06
raynerd_ahh right, so what differences happens if i change the desktop environment09:06
ardchoilleJucato: iirc, the only desktop environments are gnome, kde and cde09:06
Biovoreraynerd_: well the desktop will look different.. there just programs your running..09:06
Jucatoardchoille: xfce09:06
raynerd_like whats the difference between if i choose gnome and KDE09:07
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ardchoilleJucato: Ah, yes09:07
Biovoreraynerd_: yes.. those are 2 different desktops09:07
Jucatoardchoille: there are some more, but a bit incomplete at this stage09:07
lazz__raynerd_, they have different advantages09:07
lazz__and usability09:07
raynerd_so what is the difference09:07
ardchoilleJucato: Yeah, there's a nice one in the repos, but it's still aplha09:07
krowe@raynerd try installing them both and looking at each one09:07
raynerd_ahh right, so they physically give you difference accessability to programs?09:07
Biovoreone uses qt for the windoing widgets and the other uses gtk09:07
Jucatoraynerd_: well, they have different looks & feel, different ways of doing things, different default apps, different features09:07
krowe@raynard that is the best way to get an idea09:07
Biovoreraynerd_: yeah.. thats the goal of a window manager09:07
JucatoBiovore: er no...09:08
raynerd_right right, so its like the user interface?09:08
Biovoregive you access to your programs09:08
prakBiovore: when i typed in the configure command, there's a message in the end that says C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check09:08
Jucatoraynerd_: it is the graphical user interface09:08
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ardchoilleraynerd_: Keep in mind that desktop environments also have included window managers09:08
raynerd_AHHHH !09:08
Biovoreprak: you have a c++ compiler installed?09:08
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Biovoreprak: sudo apt-get install build-essentials09:08
ardchoilleprak: sudo apt-get install build-essential09:08
Biovore^ thats it09:09
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raynerd_sorry, crap noob question but gotta ask. How do i know which desktop environment i`m using now09:09
Jucatoardchoille: desktop environment = an environment (interface) that lets you use your desktop... to put it simply09:09
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raynerd_sorry, total linux noob09:09
Biovoreprak: I got it to build here..09:09
ardchoilleJucato: Right09:09
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE09:09
ubotuUbuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com09:09
raynerd_i`m using Edubuntu09:09
ardchoilleraynerd_: Never be sorry for being a noob, we all were there at one time too :)09:09
Jucatoardchoille: oops sorry that wasn't for you hahah09:09
ubotuEdubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org09:09
Jucatoraynerd_: desktop environment = an environment (interface) that lets you use your desktop... to put it simply09:09
Biovoreprak: ./configure --prefix=/usr09:10
Jucatoraynerd_: if you don't mind a bit of reading I'll try to get you some links09:10
krowethat is gnome i believe09:10
ardchoilleraynerd_: http://xwinman.org09:10
raynerd_right, i`ll give it a read!09:10
Jucatowhat the?!?! fd.o for a newbie?!?!09:10
Jucatohave mercy on him Biovore :)09:11
Jucatoraynerd_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment09:11
raynerd_right thanks....can I just ask 1 last question then i must go:09:11
Jucatoardchoille: there's Mezzo too, but it's development is stalled last I checked09:11
Jucato(too bad though)09:11
ardchoilleYeah, sad09:11
raynerd_what would be the best interface for an educational view.09:12
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ardchoilleraynerd_: That is personal opinion right there, you should really try out some ui's and see which works best for you09:12
Jucatothe best would be the one that lets you do what you want, the way you want it :)09:12
raynerd_I want to use it for my class....was really confused, Edubuntu has all the edu programs installed when running it live, but install it and they all dissapear and u have to d/l them off the net09:12
Jucatobot lag... :/09:12
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.09:13
raynerd_right ok, i`m with you09:13
Jucatoraynerd_: ask #edubuntu what happens. but I don't think that should be09:13
holycowraynerd_: test,test, test09:13
holycowthen test some more09:13
ardchoilleraynerd_: The live cd's serve two purposes: 1. they let you "try before you buy", although it is free and 2. they serve as an installer.09:13
raynerd_no, basically i only used it because it had them all on the CD and at the time didnt have a net connection to install them! When i installed it, it was actually just same as  Ubuntu09:14
Biovoreprak: Well I am going to bed here..  But I did get it to build..09:14
holycowat least here you can take it for aride09:14
holycowno 30 dfay limited trials and garbage like that09:14
prakBiovore: thanks for your help09:14
prakon the progress right now09:14
raynerd_ardchoille: my school will not let me install them on the machines, would you not advise I run it live as a perminant usage with my students??09:14
prakBiovore: configure went well09:15
Jucatoraynerd_: there's a problem with these live cd's. most of them don't save changes you made when you reboot09:15
Jucatoso you get a fresh new environment everytime09:15
raynerd_yes I see!09:15
ardchoilleraynerd_: You can run it live.. the only problem is that any changes (tweaks, installs) will be gone when you reboot because the entire system runs from ram.09:15
krowethat is a good thing for what he wants09:15
krowei say that is a good plan raynerd09:16
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arctanxplus you want to turn on the computers five minutes before class09:16
raynerd_i realised that. I just want my students to be able to use the programs available and open them up to free source09:16
ardchoilleraynerd_: Although I carry a livecd everywhere I go and save stuff on a usb key :)09:16
Biovoreprak: if you get and error about -l<something>   its looking for a lib<something>  use packages.ubuntu.com and search for lib<something> in the packages and install what it returns..09:16
raynerd_yes, they all have USB keys anyway! so no need for personal space and to connect to the network!09:16
Jucatobut you should also provide a way for the students to save their work to a USB or hard drive...09:17
Jucatothere good09:17
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raynerd_besides connecting to the network take literally about 10 minutes, so its actually quicker to boot the live cD09:17
Biovoreprak: I know your going to need libreadline-dev for libhistory (-lhistory)09:17
prakBiovore: right now during make, i'm getting a whole series of recurring error messages09:17
arctanx"they're good" and "you're going to need"09:17
ardchoilleOne cool feature to the *buntu livecd's would be to grab $HOME from a usb key during boot up.09:17
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ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)09:18
raynerd_ardchoille: explain more09:18
Biovore!compiling | prak09:18
ubotuprak: please see above09:18
Jucatoraynerd_: he means being able to save customizations and changes on a usb09:18
Jucatoand treat the usb as if it were the /home directory of the student09:18
Jucatoor user09:19
raynerd_ahh right....I see I see, so it would update updates lol off a usb key09:19
raynerd_explain how i would do that09:19
ardchoilleraynerd_: Some live cd's (I think knoppix does it) can search for a usb key during boot up and grab personal files /home/username from it and anything you put in $HOME gets saved to the usb key automatically.09:19
Biovoreprak: might want to install kdevelop3 and kdevelop3-dev09:19
Biovoreanyway night guys09:19
arctanxraynerd_: you wouldn't be able to without hacking the livecd since it doesn't do it by default09:19
holycowyou can setup your own livecd to do thbat09:19
Jucatoardchoille, raynerd_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence09:19
raynerd_yes, would it be possible09:19
Jucatohaven't tested that though09:19
raynerd_ak cheers09:19
ardchoilleJucato: W00T! Thanks!09:19
Jucatoraynerd_: not without some changes here and there09:20
Jucatoardchoille: heh been in the wiki for a long time. see it mentions dapper? :)09:20
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ardchoilleJucato: Doesn't work with 7.04 or 7.10rc*09:20
Jucato[15:19]  <Jucato> haven't tested that though09:20
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ardchoilleJucato: The problem is *I* haven't been in the wiki for a while09:20
Kartiardchoille: Just noticed that you mentioned - CDE a desktop environment - could you use that with an Ubuntu distro? Its been a while, I would not mind a laugh ;)09:21
JucatoKarti: I doubt you could use it on any Linux distro at all :)09:21
ardchoilleKarti: iirc, CDE is proprietary and you have to pay for it.09:21
ardchoilleKarti:  http://xwinman.org/cde.php09:21
Jucatoit's also Unix-only afaik09:21
KartiI have used it with SOlaris and AIX09:21
Jucatothose are Unixes :)09:21
Kartibut I am not sure is Solaris 10 comes with Gnome as standard09:22
ardchoilleI think solaris is a free download, tho09:22
JucatoCDE, the grand daddy of all DE's09:22
Jucatoopensolaris yes09:22
JucatoKarti: perhaps Nexenta comes with GNOME by default09:22
Kartiyes, they are.....though still come with 5 install cds me thinks, (last time I looked)09:22
ardchoilleI thought CDE was default on solaris09:22
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juliusdoes adept_manager crash often for anyone>09:22
Jucatoer it should... it's Ubuntu on Solaris... :/09:22
kroweardchoille: that link you gave has a bunch of screenshots of it running in Linux09:23
Jucatojulius: not often. though it did this morning, but I'm on gutsy09:23
ardchoille!fixadept | julius09:23
ubotujulius: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 09:23
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[1] PeterBzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=luxEJK9fNCQ09:23
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KartiWe still use it at work........why!09:23
Kartiardchoille: I know we used to change it to Gnome, from CDE but its been that long since I actually played Solaris09:24
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juliusdo you guys know any good kde msn clients?09:30
juliusaMSN is great features wise but its so slow09:30
juliuskopete doesnt cut it for me09:30
arctanxpidgin works fine on KDE :P09:30
arctanxwell I take that back. it still has the odd crash, but it does that on gnome too09:30
juliuspigdin sounds good09:30
arctanxgaim's where the stability's at09:31
ardchoillejulius:  apt-cache search msn | more09:31
ardchoilleThere are a few09:31
juliusgdamn it adept crashed again09:31
ardchoille!info ayttm09:31
ubotuayttm: Universal Instant Messaging Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.6+34-3 (feisty), package size 1849 kB, installed size 5000 kB09:31
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ardchoillecommand line is faster and doesn't crash ;)09:32
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arctanxhehe if that's the way you like it09:32
arctanx!info bitlbee09:32
ubotubitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 308 kB, installed size 780 kB09:32
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juliusardchoille: lol i just realised that09:32
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ardchoillejulius: "apt-cache search appname" for searching and "apt-cache policy packagename" for seeing what, if any, version is installed.09:33
juliusive also had konquerer lock up on me before causing me to have to restart the x thing09:34
Jucatowhy doesn't kaddressbook display how many contacts there are and how many are selected?!?! *grumbles*09:34
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ardchoilleJucato: Feature request!09:34
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Jucatoardchoille: at this point in time, it would most probably be useless/too late09:37
Jucato(though something as basic as that should be included right?)09:38
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bloberI have done an app, which i will present tomorrow. That is open source to me, but i have not done any thing to formalize that it it open source. What do I have to do in order for it to be _formally_ open source?09:39
arctanxblober: well open source just means you give the source code to the application to whomever you give the compiled form as well09:40
juliusput it on source forge maybe? and put the GPL somewhere09:40
juliusin a file09:40
raynerd_Trying to install flashplayer 9. Downloaded tar, extracted to desktop, then it says type in ./flashplayer-installer   but it says no such file or directory exists!!!09:40
arctanxyou need license it with a Free license for it to be the FOSS which everyone gets excited about09:40
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bloberwhat is a FOSS?09:41
Jucatoblober: www.opensource.org09:41
arctanxgoogle or wiki is probably your friend here09:41
JucatoFOSS = Free and Open Source Software09:41
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Jucatothe "formal" requirements for an open source app is having an open source license, one approved by the OSI09:42
Jucatoor better yet, GPL'ed09:42
JucatoGNU Public License09:42
bloberyes, but how do i link this app with such a licence09:42
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raynerd_Can i make a huge contrivershal point here.....this linux marlaky is 10x less user friendly than windows based system!!!09:42
bloberjust by putting a .txt file with a copy of the licence on the .zip file?09:43
raynerd_i`m really struggling! :(09:43
nogdog21anyone know the tmd-movies channel name?09:43
Jucatoblober: there should be COPYRIGHT file there, and in the user interface as well I think. in the About stuff09:43
bloberraynerd_: be nerd enough09:43
raynerd_yes, i guess! It must really take some learning to become ofey with it all09:44
Jucatoraynerd_: um... just because you are struggling doesn't make it a general truth for the whole world?09:44
bloberJucato: ok, i have put it on the about.. licence, i'll see what i got there09:44
raynerd_haha very funny! I can see most people I know crashing and burning quicker than me!!!09:44
hangthedj_serverraynerd_: are you running ./install_flash..blah from your Desktop, or the flash directory?09:44
hangthedj_serverthe tar file makes a new directory, you need to run it from that directory09:44
raynerd_laughing at the thought of switching parents, grandad and g/friend over to linux !!09:45
raynerd_ahh i seeeeee09:45
raynerd_let me try!09:45
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Jucatoraynerd_: just think if those people you mentioned actually do the things you are having difficulty with right now?09:45
arctanxraynerd_: the other thing is how easy you would have found windows if you were experimenting with it now having used linux ever since you had a pc ;)09:46
raynerd_yes yes, I accept that last point totally!   I didnt understand your first comment!09:46
bgt421hi, I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu, and have a quick question. I'm trying to install kubuntu to my single harddrive and dual boot with what I assume is an XP/Dell boot partition, recovery partition, and XP partition. Is it possible for me to install kubuntu to a logical extended partition, or must the root directory be on a primary partition?09:46
Jucatoanyway, we have a channel for this kinds of um... "rants"/complaints. it's #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic09:46
arctanxbgt421: You sure can put it on a logical partition, but you'll need to install grub in your MBR09:46
hangthedj_serveryeah, everytime someone is like, hey i got a new gf, is she powered by linux?  if the answer is no, i tell them to get rid of her09:47
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Jucatobgt421: Linux isn't picky. logical or primary, it will install09:47
Jucatomaster or slave for that matter.09:47
flaccidwhereis im picky as09:47
bgt421will the install handle the MBR mess for me? I tried an early fedora core install once and cooked my mbr and that was a mess09:47
bloberJucato: well, it is not on the same format, but this are the words on the licence dialog on the about dialog of the help menu: http://paste.milk-it.net/64209:47
bloberis that enough?09:48
arctanxbgt421: It sure can. And even if it botches it up, booting from a dos cd and doing an fdisk /mbr will put it back to whatever windows had09:48
raynerd_jucato - it isn`t a rant or complaint, you made me back up my point it was a comment. I`m willing to learn, just saying it is a hell of a lot harder to use than I expected!!09:48
bgt421is that all I had to do to fix it the last time? :)09:48
nogdog21anyone know the channel name for TMD-movies please?????????09:48
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arctanxbgt421: It should have been. There are only so many things you can do with an mbr09:48
hangthedj_servernogdog21: sorry i have no idea, i only know 2 channels here, ubuntu-offtopic and kubuntu09:48
arctanxgrub-install hd0, or fdisk /mbr. That's about it.09:48
arctanxwell, /dev/whatever09:49
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flaccidor fixmbr09:49
Jucatobgt421: never had a problem with the GRUB installation. detected windows perfectly09:49
yamalblober: if you are releasing your program under the GPL, take a look at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html09:49
nogdog21there site is down so it blows and im new to linux09:49
bgt421is fixmbr a linux cmd or dos?09:49
hangthedj_serverwhats faster, in anyones opinion, vmware or virtualbox?09:49
Jucatoblober: looks ok. but you should really be consulting with a licensing lawyer/expert about these kind of things09:49
flaccidits command prompt win nt09:49
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bgt421excellent. Thanks all for your help!09:50
raynerd_Still cant install this flash player 9 ! Got the .tar on the desktop. How do I extract it, when i right click i get lots of options09:50
Jucatohuh? what?09:50
Jucatoraynerd_: are you on a 64-bit machine?09:50
bloberJucato: thanks for your advise, but i am not looking forward to paying to get no monney ;-)09:51
raynerd_haha don`t think so :-(09:51
Jucatoraynerd_: um... just install "flashplugin-nonfree" and you're done09:51
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash09:51
Jucatono need to download tarballs or anything09:51
raynerd_lmao !!09:51
raynerd_right !! i`m with you09:51
Jucatoraynerd_: I was wondering what you've been trying to do09:52
flaccidflash 9 support is pretty good09:52
hangthedj_serverraynerd_: open a konsole: ALT+F2 konsole, 'cd /~Desktop, tar -xvf tar.file.tar.gz09:52
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raynerd_install flash. Tryed to watch some stuff on youtube and it said i needed to install flash 909:52
Jucatoblober: well, if you're expecting to earn money from open source software, it's better you get everything right the first time. anyway, maybe not a lawyer, but perhaps in a place/channel/forum with more knowledgeable people09:52
NickPresta!flash | raynerd_09:53
uboturaynerd_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash09:53
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Jucatoraynerd_: what web browser are you using? Firefox or Konqueror? anyway, just install the package I told you and you're good to go :)09:53
hangthedj_servervmware's site is slow.09:53
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flaccidhow you going jucy09:53
Jucatostill juicy hehehe09:53
flaccidits like jooky09:54
Jucatoheheh :)09:54
flaccidim on livecd as i dropped my notebook and damaged hdd. lots of fun09:54
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flaccidit shows that at least the rest of the hardware is ok09:55
raynerd_ahh, are these .deb files ment to be nice and easy to use. How does all this equate to a windows style fat install09:55
Jucatoraynerd_: too make your life easier in Linux, before you go off wandering in the Web for software you want installed, you should first check our software repository if we already have them for your convenience09:55
Jucatoraynerd_: there are 3 ways to install software on (most) Linux09:56
bloberJucato: i meant 'not earn money', but you said 'earn money' with open source software. is that common?09:56
flaccidraynerd_: yes. no make sense.09:56
raynerd_yes it does! I`m getting there! Its hard after 10 years of microsoft09:56
raynerd_so, how do I access a repositry or see what is available?09:56
flaccidraynerd_: just have a look in adept_manager09:57
Jucatoraynerd_: Add/Remove Programs or Adept Manager09:57
flaccidor browse http://packages.ubuntu.com09:57
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flaccidand also apt:/ in konqi09:57
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raynerd_right ok, like I know i need to download flashplugin-nonfree09:57
Jucatoraynerd_: in Add/Remove programs, just search for Flash and you'll see.09:57
raynerd_but it doesnt show where i d/l it. Or do i not... Sorry, its just all above me at present. Right ok09:58
bloberraynerd_: have you not seen Adept or synaptic, one of them are on your K Menu -> System09:58
hangthedj_serverraynerd_: depending on what version of kubuntu you have, if you open konqueror and go to a flash site, it will install flash for you.09:58
raynerd_edubuntu 7.0409:58
raynerd_ok let me look09:58
Jucatoraynerd_: a repository is a database full of software that has been prepared for Ubuntu/Kubuntu. You download the software from there and it installs it for you. You don't need to find out where to download it from09:59
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Jucatobtw, there's an #edubuntu channel too09:59
raynerd_i know, no one is in there who is active "!09:59
raynerd_ok searched in add/remove. Nothing came up. I`ll look for this adept09:59
bloberis there a #earn money possible with oss channel too?09:59
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flaccidadd/remove programs is pretty cool10:00
bloberno, if you have synaptic, you have no adept, i think10:00
Jucatoraynerd_: if you're using Edubuntu, there's no Adept Manager. it uses GNOME. which is closer to #ubuntu10:00
Jucatoraynerd_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware10:00
bloberraynerd_: its one or the other usually10:00
flaccid!find adept10:00
ubotuFound: adept, adept-batch, adept-common, adept-installer, adept-manager (and 2 others)10:00
raynerd_i got a synaptic package manager?10:01
flaccid!info adept-manager10:01
ubotuadept-manager: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu26.1 (feisty), package size 719 kB, installed size 1980 kB10:01
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flaccidyou could install it10:01
hangthedj_serverwith edubuntu it should already be installed.10:01
bloberraynerd_: look in your system menu, and find out if you have synaptic or adept10:01
flaccid!info flashplugin-nonfree10:01
ubotuflashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)10:01
raynerd_cant see adept, but i have synaptic10:01
Jucatough.. choir practice...10:01
bloberthey are almost the same thing10:01
flaccidso need to enable multiverse for that package10:01
bloberhave fun, i have to sleep at least 1 hour today10:02
raynerd_hehe, ok sorry, sound like a prat. Got it open and i guess i searcg?10:02
flaccidpoint is.. use whatever you want to install it via the repos and make sure multiverse is enabled10:02
flaccidyep ray10:02
bloberbye and thanks for all tips10:03
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hangthedj_serveri don't like adept, because if you install something that uninstalls something important, it doesn't tell you, it just does it, no prompting.10:03
hangthedj_serversynaptic is one of the first things i install on kubuntu10:03
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raynerd_HOLY CRAP !! thats amazing. So basically all software made will become available in this synaptic manager???10:03
arctanxraynerd_: ya that's the point :P10:04
hangthedj_serverwell, not windows.10:04
ardchoilleraynerd_: All apps which are in the repos, yes10:04
raynerd_Thats awesum!!10:04
arctanxMost useful programs which are free and open source wind up in there10:04
hangthedj_serveralthough i think if you search ms-office, openoffice pops up10:04
raynerd_right right ight....it was my fault. Been searching the net for software and not finding anything. Makes sense now10:04
raynerd_hehe kool10:05
flaccidrepos is good10:05
raynerd_HAHA its worked!! YouTube is running! wagooo10:05
arctanxkeep in mind that this software won't hang around if you're using livecds, raynerd_10:05
raynerd_yes yes, sorry. This is for my laptop. I`ve installed edubuntu there. My live cd was for use with the class10:06
arctanxgood, just making sure :)10:06
raynerd_yes lol10:06
raynerd_I did ask this earlier, no reply, maybe someone could answer this time10:07
ardchoilleraynerd_: good rules for a stable system: First, use the repos.. if you can't an app there, look for a .deb that was made for ubuntu.. if you can't find it there, compile.. if you can't do that, look for another app that does the job. Never use rpm's or deb's made for other distros.10:07
arctanxraynerd_: and you might skip to the second or third options if you want a newer version than is in the repos. Often they're a bit behind, either because the maintainer's slack or they're waiting for the bugs to be ironed out10:08
raynerd_when I ran edubuntu live off the Cd yesterday for the first time It contined loads of installed educational programs, however when I ran the install off the Cd they were not included. As it happened I had a net connection so just clicked on them in add/remove but just wondering why10:08
raynerd_right, ok thanks10:09
arctanxI think someone pointed you to #edubuntu. Did that help?10:09
ardchoilleraynerd_: I think all of the live cd's are like that.. they are intended to "show off" the distro. installing is just an apt-get install away anyway10:10
raynerd_but they are available to install on Ubuntu, so why bother with edubuntu10:10
raynerd_see what i mean.10:10
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raynerd_arctanx: sorry, yes should use over there, waiting for 30mins but noone was online/activer10:10
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ardchoilleraynerd_: edubuntu (like all the *buntu's) contains a certain set of apps.10:11
raynerd_are you using ubuntu 7.04 then ardchoille?10:11
ardchoillekubuntu 7.0410:11
raynerd_right, in applications -> education -> kalzium can u see that?10:12
raynerd_if you go add/remove - can you see and have an option to d/l kalzium ?10:12
ardchoilleNo, there are no education apps here because I used kubuntu, not edubuntu.. remember that "certain set of apps"?10:12
ardchoilleyes, it's in the repos.. I can see it10:13
raynerd_yes thats my point, but you have the option to install Kalzium yes?10:13
raynerd_and educational app10:13
raynerd_an not and10:13
ardchoilleYes, I can install the same apps you can install10:13
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raynerd_exactly, thats what I am saying, edubuntu didnt come with them installed so as far as I can see it was no different than ubuntu10:14
ardchoilleAll the *buntu's use the same repos/mirrors, it's just the installed system that is different.10:14
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ardchoilleAhy, ok, I see what you mean10:14
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flaccidtalk to edubuntu10:14
raynerd_yes perfect! the install didnt contain the apps! i had to install ontop! They are on the live CD !!! not on the install though10:14
raynerd_yes ok10:14
raynerd_i`ll shut up now! :-P10:15
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raynerd_thanks for the help everyone, may be back soon10:15
raynerd_infact probably will be lol10:15
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burniehallo jemand da der mir eventuell helfen knnte ? hab ein problem mit meiner windows partition10:26
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de10:27
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z_Is there someone ?10:27
NiceGuyUKAnyone know why KDevelop cannot find aclocal, even though its installed?10:27
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burnieah thx10:28
flaccidz_: there is 332 someone10:28
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Jucatoer.. did I say I was going to sleep? O.o10:29
ardchoilleI must have misread, sorry10:30
NiceGuyUKJucato: trying them now, just not as many ppl in there ;)10:30
Jucato[16:01]  <Jucato> ugh.. choir practice...10:30
ardchoille[01:03]  * Jucato goes too10:30
Jucatoardchoille: to choir practice :)10:30
ardchoilleAh, choir practice, ok10:30
Jucatoglad it was cancelled hahahha10:30
JucatoNiceGuyUK: true that... but they might know better though10:31
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BrightEyes`my sound card is ALi M5455. i can hear music from the speakers ,i can hear my voice speaking in the mic but i cant record.anyone to help?10:34
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NiceGuyUKJucato: my bad, was a (nested) broken symlink (although apt created it, not me :P )10:35
NiceGuyUKin fact, aptitude has made a mess of automake generally. I fix aclocal and now it can't find automake10:36
praki've successfully configured the installation make file of http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13885210:36
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JucatoNiceGuyUK: I think you just need to have the right version of atuomake installed. not really sure though10:37
Jucato(the other problem was autoconf)10:37
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NiceGuyUKJucato: I think cos somehow I've ended up with two versions of auto* and its trying to symlink them through /etc/alternatives10:39
prakbut I'm having trouble in the make process as shown: http://www.pastebin.ca/67772610:39
prakit says i'm having problems with automake-1.910:39
prakbut i can't find it10:39
NiceGuyUKprak - you running that as root?10:40
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flaccidprak: looks like you might need to make under root10:40
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hangthedj_serverprak, you may have to link it.  do ls /usr/bin/automake -lh10:40
JucatoNiceGuyUK: hm... not sure about automake, but for autoconf, autoconf and autoconf2.13 are mutually exclusive. if you have 2.13 installed, the system defaults to that and you can't set it through /etc/alternatives10:40
hangthedj_serverand see what it links too10:40
NiceGuyUKhangthedj_server: yeah, my symlinks for automake were broken too10:41
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NiceGuyUKJucato: now it works, I just gotta take a crash course in SDL development ;-D10:42
Jucatogood luck10:43
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prakhandthedj_server: do you mean ln /usr/bin/automake -lh?10:47
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hangthedj_serverprak: no do just what i said, or ls -lh /usr/bin/automake10:48
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hangthedj_serverprak: or ls -lh /usr/bin/autoconf10:49
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prakhangthedj_server: here are the printouts with your commands: http://www.pastebin.ca/67773310:52
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prakstill having trouble with the make though10:53
ardchoilleprak: What kind of trouble?10:53
ardchoilleprak: And what are you compiling?10:53
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hangthedj_serverprak: ok try ls -lh /usr/bin/automake*10:54
hangthedj_serveror try searching... 'aptitude search automake'10:54
hangthedj_serverand install the version your missing.10:54
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devianceDamn KDE delays :(10:55
ardchoilledeviance: kde 4. ?10:55
ardchoilleSaw that in the rss feed10:56
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devianceImpacts kubuntu :(10:58
devianceMind you it will impact every KDE distro10:58
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runleveltenWhat if you're neither "aw shucks" or "told you so", because you bothered to read anything about KDE 4 in the last year?10:59
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ardchoilledeviance: Well, I don't plan to upgrade until the next LTS release, so it should have it by 8.0411:00
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devianceSame here ardchoille I am still on the last LTS :P11:00
runleveltenKDE 4 is kind of cool. The new kwin is the absolute roxor.11:00
ardchoilleDapper is darn nice.. never seen such a nice distro. They did an excellent job on it.11:01
devianceWhat is kwin?11:01
runlevelteneffects integration in KDE ftw.11:01
ardchoillekwin is the window manager for kde11:01
devianceAh cool11:01
devianceI always liked the konqueror11:01
prakardchoille: i'm having trouble installing the extracted tarball of piklab from its sourceforge sit11:01
runleveltenkwin is the kde window manager, and it has lots of cool features you lose when you run compiz-fusoin or whatever.11:01
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ardchoillerunlevelten: those "effects" are the first thing I'm going to turn off or rip out when I get it11:02
Jucatokonqueror = file manager/web browser. kwin = window manager...11:02
runleveltenBut the new one integrates desktop effects without silliness.11:02
prakardchoille: i think i'm compiling qt code or something11:02
prakbut not certain11:02
Jucato2 different things you can both love at the same time :)11:02
runleveltenardchoille: teh scale extension is invaluable if you have a lot of windows and desktops open for work.11:02
runleveltenkubuntu is completely broken WRT to them though.11:02
ardchoillealt+tab is all I need.11:03
devianceOh I see11:03
devianceSorry i miss read it.11:03
devianceWhats the new file manager?11:03
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Jucatonew "default", but Konqueror is still there11:03
devianceAh yes11:03
Jucatoto serve as the default web browser and "alternative" file manager. still installed by default11:03
ardchoilleJucato: That should solve the "same bookmarks in the fm and wb" problem11:04
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devianceI haven't used Kubuntu in so long, my linux PC has been broken, so I'm out of touch11:04
runleveltendolphin doesn't shadow 10% of konqy's power so far, so meh @ it.11:04
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devianceBut as soon as my new power supply comes, I'm in the game :P11:04
ardchoilledoes dolphin have a tabbed ui?11:04
devianceI don't suppose any of you know muhc about Raid?11:04
Jucatorunlevelten: that's perfectly fine. dolphin isn't meant to be as full-featured as konqueror11:04
Jucatoardchoille: no11:04
runleveltenIt's pathetic. It's like trying to browse your file system with a minesweeper game.11:04
ardchoilleJucato: It doesn't?! Well, I won't be using it then11:04
runleveltenNo, it's worse than that, it's like _nautilus_11:04
Jucato(ok here we go again...)11:04
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runleveltenAs long as there's choice. Easily confused people can choose a less powerful software to stop their brains hurting, and the majority of users will still use konqueror happily I expect :)11:05
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ardchoillerunlevelten: true11:06
underdog5004konq's ok...but I like firefox...11:06
underdog5004just thought I'd let everyone know what I like11:06
Jucatodolphin isn't for everybody, just as konqueror isn't for everybody. if you need/want konqueror, then use it.11:06
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underdog5004I like dolphin for file browsing, no question. It seems a lot lighter than konqueror11:06
raynerd_sorry quicky, anyone using Knversation? If i want to go to channel ##chemistry  in theb11:06
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raynerd_freenode netwrork, what do i do?11:07
underdog5004raynerd_, /join ##chemistry11:07
runleveltenIndeed, Jucato. Choice is what it's all about. It's not as if anyone needs protecting from choices, is it?11:07
Jucatorunlevelten: Gutsy uses Dolphin by default11:07
ardchoilleraynerd_: You can just click on the channel -> #ubuntu  and it'll take you there11:07
runleveltenraynerd_: click on the name you posted.11:07
JucatoI don't completely agree though... the KDE 3 version is far behind the KDE 4 version... it's not a fair comparison11:07
raynerd_haha! fab.11:07
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raynerd_How did it know it was freenode network11:07
underdog5004ah, I haven't tried kde4...no test machines atm11:08
Jucatoraynerd_: because you are on freenode already11:08
runleveltenJucato: I'm switching away for KDE at my next OS upgrade methinks. I'll still use/support kubuntu for s.a.g., but I've had kubuntu for work.11:08
JucatoDolphin on KDE 3 <------------------------------------------------------------------> Dolphin in KDE 411:08
Jucatobig gap11:08
underdog5004almost a chasm11:08
hangthedj_serveri like how in konqueror, i could probably type pizza:/my_address and i would get a pizza11:08
ardchoilleLet's hope dolphin on kde 4 has a tabbed ui11:08
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Jucatohangthedj_server: those are called kioslaves. any KDE app can use that. of course, dolphin uses it11:09
Jucatoardchoille: already told you. it won't :P11:09
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Jucato(which is why I won't be using it much)11:09
ymsghey ubotu11:09
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:09
runleveltenwell, you say any app. Sometimes they won't.11:09
ymsghow are you ubotu11:09
ardchoilleymsg: it's a bot11:10
hangthedj_serverJucato: i know what a kioslave is :p11:10
Jucatorunlevelten: of course the app needs to support the correct kioslave... I doubt man:/ would be useful in Kaffeine11:10
pfinnit could read the man page to you ^^11:10
Jucatothat would be amarok... but yeah...11:11
ardchoilleWow, pfinn, talk about lazy11:11
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runleveltenI got told off by an irate client whose backup app (I forget what it was) wouldn't work over bluetooth obex11:11
ymsgwtf is a bot11:11
ymsgmachine a robot11:11
ardchoilleit's an irc bot11:11
Jucato!ubotu | ymsg11:11
ubotuymsg: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:11
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ymsgok ubotu11:13
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ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!11:14
runleveltenet cetera.11:15
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents11:15
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ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...11:16
Jucatook, play nice. :)11:16
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runleveltenI don't think that's right, windows is just some generic noun, not some kind of brand.11:17
prakhandthedj_server: http://www.pastebin.ca/67774411:17
prakstill have trouble installing automake11:17
runleveltenWhat if someone wants help with their wm? tut.11:17
ardchoilleSure, Juan, sure..11:17
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about window - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:17
Jucatobah nvm :P11:17
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ardchoilleIsn't automake part of autotools?11:18
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ymsgrun you also a bot11:18
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raynerd_can I ask what it means if you have an unmasked ip?11:20
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents11:20
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ubotuLinux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux11:21
ubotuOther !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)11:21
raynerd_someone was being a prat in IRC, I said something and he said "ur the one with the unmasked IP" what does that mean?11:21
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underdog5004raynerd_, probably that he could view your ip address11:22
runleveltenymsg: I am runlevel, know-nothing human being. You can browse my brain at my .plan - Usage info: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/worship.html11:22
ymsgubotu french room pls11:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about french room pls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:22
runlevelten*runlevelten even.11:22
prakubotu windows11:23
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents11:23
ymsgkubutu in french11:23
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:23
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ymsgubotu  give me the french bubuntu11:23
prakdoes anyone know how to get over the problem with automake in http://www.pastebin.ca/677744?11:24
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hangthedj_serverprak: your installing automake-1.9, remove the -, sudo apt-get install automake1.911:25
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drifanyone here using slimserver?11:29
dhqis there any speech recognition tool for linux11:32
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about speech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about recognition - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:34
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combowhy always when i'm trying to overwrite a text file 'name.txt', it saves an extra file called 'name.txt~' ? how can i turn off this option ?11:36
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prakhangthedj_server, and then what do i do?11:37
Suarajust wanna know if the latest version has a defualt driver for manage wifi wpa connections11:37
Suarawithout not much complication11:37
adilsonhow do I change resolution in kde environment? I just cnat find the option11:37
Suarathx u.11:37
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto11:38
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ardchoille!info krandr11:39
adilsonhow do i chnage resolution in kde environment using kcontrol11:39
ubotuPackage krandr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pikdev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:39
prak!info pikdev11:39
ubotuPackage pikdev does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:39
ardchoilleadilson: kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Monitor & Display ?11:40
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adilson: tried that by seraching through google and the option is not available11:41
adilsonardchoille: kcontrol is kde control center right?11:42
adilsonhow can I not have monitor option in peripherals? its just so annoying11:43
ardchoilleadilson: yes11:43
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ardchoilleadilson: Which version of kde?11:43
ardchoillekde 3.5.6 here11:43
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dhqis there any speech recognition tool for kubuntu11:44
adilsonardchoille: isnt there something else i can use cause I have no clue how the OS cna show graphics without it having monitor reslotuion settings available11:44
Suaraardchoille,  just wanna know if the latest version has a defualt driver for manage wifi wpa connections11:44
ardchoilleSuara: I don't know, never used wifi11:44
adilsonardchoille: yeah ive got kde 3.5.611:44
ardchoilleadilson: There is a way to change resolution but it involves editing xorg.conf and restarting x11:45
ardchoille!fixres | adilson11:45
ubotuadilson: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto11:45
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prakare you still there hangthedj_server?11:45
adilsonardchoille: i was hoping not to do that guess im stuck11:45
Suaraanyone can say me if t is possible to manage wpa wifi with  a default driver???11:45
ardchoilleadilson: :(11:45
ubotuhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.11:45
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs11:45
Suaraubotu, so by default, you are not able to connect a wpa wifi yes?11:46
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:46
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prakafter installing automake, i have tried to run make and make install after configuring the make file successful for a piklab tarball file11:49
prakcouldn't find any errors in make, but having some problems with the man directory with "make install"11:49
ardchoilleprak: You shouldn't be running make with sudo anyway, you only need sudo for makeinstall11:50
prakardchoille: but sudo in make shouldn't have any affect11:51
prakor does it?11:51
llutzprak: try to avoid make install, use at least checkinstall to build a dirty .deb11:51
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ardchoilleprak: I was always told that using root privs with make is a bad idea, try it without sudo11:52
ardchoilleAnd, while checkinstall is good, I found it to work less than half the times I used it.11:52
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praki don't really care how i install it11:53
praki need something that works11:53
prakshouldn't have to spend hours installing this problem11:53
ardchoilleWell, that's what can happen when the app isn't in the repos11:54
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prakllutz: how do i use checkinstall to build the .deb?11:57
ardchoilleprak: Once you have it installed: man checkinstall11:58
llutzprak "sudo atpitude install checkinstall"11:58
ardchoilleIt has a bunch of options11:58
ardchoilleOr you can ask llutz, lol11:58
llutzardchoille: i won't read the man-page loud for him :)11:58
praki don't know even half of what the definitions mean11:59
llutzprak: use "sudo checkinstall"  instead of "sudo make install" then, that would create a .deb and try to install it11:59
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ardchoilleprak: No space in checkinstall12:00
ardchoilleIt'll try to make a .deb.. if it's successful, it'll install the deb and leave a copy for your future use12:01
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prakdidn't look like it worked12:01
ardchoilleMy guess is it won't be successful with piklab12:01
llutzif make install fails, checkinstall fails too12:01
llutzprak: that was no solution for your install-problem, more a hint for better software-installation12:02
prakllutz: you meant checkinstall?12:02
ardchoilleprak: I have a feeling there is a problem in the sources12:02
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llutzprak: yes12:02
prakardchoille: you mean there could be a problem with the tarball itself?12:03
prakBiovore managed to compile and install the program12:03
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ardchoilleIf you can't get make to complete successfully, then both make install and checkinstall will fail12:03
ardchoilleprak: Ask Biovore how he did it12:03
llutzprak: check the pathes. /usr/bin/man/man1 seems to be wrong12:03
llutzprak: default is /usr/share/man/...12:04
ardchoillellutz: I think that's comming out of the ./configure script, tho12:04
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llutzardchoille: then he has to change it12:04
bfernandezalgien con error en composite12:04
LinuxAddictQuestion, how do I erase recent history in Totem, or can i disable that feature?12:04
ardchoille!es | bfernandez12:04
ubotubfernandez: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.12:04
prakthanks for your help ardchoille adn llutz12:05
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praki'll try removing some files and unzip the tarball again12:05
prakand ./configure again12:05
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ardchoilleprak: You're going to have to fix the man path problem too12:05
bfernandezi have problem with my Ati Radeon 9550 composite12:05
bfernandezcan i help me12:06
ardchoille!search 955012:06
prakardchoille: how would you suggest fixing the man path problem?12:06
prakchange the path?12:06
ardchoille!ati | bfernandez12:06
ubotubfernandez: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:06
bfernandeztwo error in  - 1 second12:06
bfernandezi don't found this problem12:06
ardchoilleprak: You see what llutz said about /usr/share/man?12:06
LinuxAddictQuestion, how do I erase recent history in Totem, or can i disable that feature?12:07
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ardchoilleYou can't create /usr/bin/man/man1  if  /usr/bin/man doesn't exist. You need to change the man path in the configure script12:07
ardchoilleIt's been years since I had to compile anything, so I don't remember much of how to write configure scripts.12:08
ardchoillePlus I hate autoconf12:08
llutzardchoille: gnaaa, don't mess up your system with those strange directories... better use prefix=/usr/local  then12:08
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ardchoillellutz: exactly12:09
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ardchoillebfernandez ?12:09
ardchoillebfernandez: Did you read that webpage ubotu sent you?12:10
ardchoilleTime for bed, back later.12:12
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llutzprak have you read this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12348112:14
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raynerd_anyone explain what a Kernal actually is?12:20
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llutzraynerd_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%2912:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xerces - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:21
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multiserverscan someone help me install: xerces-c-src_2_8_012:21
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multiserversi need it for my MTA:SA Server (www.mtasa.com)12:22
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oslohi on feisty fsck get stuck at boot time, but the fsck from the live dc gutsy tribes 2 is working, how could i update my fsck to gutsy one ???12:24
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KartiHi all, what is the Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin that I require for Kb3, Cheers (I did have it but I lost it :( )12:39
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Kartillutz: absoltuly many thanks12:42
llutzKarti: "aptitude search k3b mp3" helps a lot ;)12:42
Kartilol :(12:43
Kartisince you mentioned it......I normally use apt-get etc is the aptitude the same or a different process?12:43
llutzKarti: aptitude is the recommended tool for debian. it has a few more options and some advantages compared with apt-get12:44
llutzKarti: you shouldn't use both mixed, that may bring some trouble12:45
Kartillutz: cool, I have mixed and matched before, depending on the website I got data from, but am now happy to stick with aptitude - many thanks12:45
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dhqis there any good speech recognition software for kubuntu12:54
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llutzdhq: sphinx2-bin - speech recognition utilities12:55
dhqllutz, well i dont know how to use it12:55
dhqall it does is listen12:55
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llutzdhq: me too, i never used such software. but it's the only one in the repos12:56
erphancan i install ubuntu packages on kubuntu?12:56
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soa2iiHi... wtttttttttttttttttttttttf issssssssssssssssssssssss wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwrong with my pc?12:56
soa2iiyou see                       my keaboard eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrors12:56
soa2iii am typingggggggggggggggggggggggg normal12:56
Tm_Tsoa2ii: wireless?12:57
soa2iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii trieddddddddddddddddddddddddd a console12:57
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soa2iieverythin ok12:57
soa2iiTiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim no12:57
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soa2iiknopppppppppppppppppppppppppix everithinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng ok12:57
erphancan i install ubuntu packages on kubuntu?12:57
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soa2iikubuntttttttttttttttttttttttu thissssssssssssssssssssssss here12:57
Tm_Terphan: Kubuntu is Ubuntu12:57
soa2iii aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalready reiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinstalled kubuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuntu twice12:57
soa2iii alway have thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhis probleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem12:57
erphanTm_T,so i can , yes ?12:58
dhqsoa2ii, your keyboard must be screwed12:58
Tm_Terphan: well you already have done it, so yes ;)12:58
soa2iiit is just withhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kubuntu12:58
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Tm_Tsoa2ii: msg me12:58
erphanPlease Kick Soa !12:58
Tm_Terphan: dealt already12:59
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StevenRhi. I'm trying to play a dvd, but it doesn't work. xine nad vlc both crash, and kaffeine appears to freeze with a blue screen01:00
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StevenR(I've tried this with several dvds, that all work in other players/computers)01:00
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soa2iithere i am again01:10
Tm_Tsoa2ii: :)01:10
soa2iii switched off the key repetition in the control settings01:10
Tm_Tsoa2ii: have you checked if there's bugreports related to it?01:10
soa2iibut the keyboard is still very slow01:10
soa2iiTm_T: no... where?01:11
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots01:11
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soa2iiand KDM repeats the keys ....01:11
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soa2iinoone have an idea here?01:12
KartiStevenR: has you ever played a dvd with kaffeine (encrypted) sucessfully?01:14
soa2iidoes anyone see an error?01:15
soa2iii just removed the tablet pc stuff01:15
Kartisoa2ii: I see you are using the nv driver, have you installed the nvidia driver itself?01:16
soa2iinot yet01:16
awensoa2ii: are you on a laptop and which model/brand?01:16
Kartiif that is the case you normally have "nvidia" there01:16
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soa2iino it a desktop01:17
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soa2iii'll ionstall the nvidia... one mom01:17
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soa2iibut i do not think that this have smth to do with my weird keyboard01:18
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:19
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soa2iii just switched to nvidia... but nothing changed...01:20
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soa2iiwtf is wrong herE?!?!01:21
soa2iiknoppix is alright01:21
soa2iia terminal too01:21
soa2iiand this is a fresh kubuntu isntall...01:21
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waylandbill'nothing changed' means? glxinfo shows no direct rendering?01:23
soa2iino... the keyboard is still weird01:24
soa2iii really need help01:26
soa2iiplease... :'(01:26
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StevenRKarti: what do you mean?01:31
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sakabatousoa2ii: i had exactly that problem01:32
KartiStevenR: just wondered if it was set up to read encrypted dvds and if you had used it previously01:32
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StevenRKarti: I've compiled libdvdcss, and it successfully loads the keys for the dvds, but then it crashes... I ran it from the konsole and it's some sort of X error01:33
sakabatouLet me just see what was the solution, and i tell you01:33
soa2iisakabatou: oh that ould be so nice01:34
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sakabatousoa2ii: you say you have your keyboard repeat slow now, right ?01:34
StevenRKarti: I followed the same procedure on my sister's box, and it played them just fine.... I just can't work out what's breaking on this particular box01:34
sakabatouTry pressing shift a lot of times01:34
soa2iisakabatou: first it repeated some chars randomly01:34
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soa2iithen i switched of "repeating chars" in the Kontrol Center and now i supress it01:35
soa2iiKDM is still wrong01:35
soa2iiand if i disable the option KDE too01:35
sakabatouYeah, different problem01:36
sakabatouTryed googling ?01:36
soa2iibut what for?01:36
sakabatouLet me see if i find something too01:36
soa2iii do not really have an idea WHY there is a problem...01:36
soa2iiknoppix was fine01:36
sakabatouMight have something, internet is a big place01:37
soa2iiso it is no hardwware problem01:37
sakabatouOf course its software, if you haven't the problem01:37
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sakabatouTell me something, what is your current situation with the keyboard01:37
soa2iii can show you... mom01:38
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soa2iisakabatou: you block me :/01:38
soa2iior the server blocks me... don't know01:38
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sakabatouIm not blocking you01:39
soa2iihm... i cant send you a private message01:39
Kartisoa2ii: are you registered?01:39
Kartithere is your answer01:40
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soa2iidam nhere...01:40
soa2iii just want to show sakabatou plz don't yell for kicks ...01:40
ubotuInformation about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration01:40
sakabatouRegistering is freking easy01:41
soa2iihere... this is what my keyboard looks like with standard settings01:41
soa2iiwtf is going wrong now....01:41
soa2iinow it is just slow?01:41
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soa2iii restart one01:41
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soa2iithere i am again01:44
soa2iihm kde seems to be just slow now...01:44
soa2iikdm still got the "repeat-error"01:44
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sakabatouGo to the01:45
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sakabatouSystem settings01:45
sakabatouKeyboard & mouse01:46
soa2iientering password became almost impossible :/01:46
sakabatouAnd tell me01:46
sakabatouWhat do you have turned on in keyboard settings01:46
sakabatouAt which intensity01:46
soa2iirepetition is on01:47
soa2iirate 25/s01:47
sakabatouSame as i do, good01:47
soa2ii(standard settings)01:47
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alejandrowhy it s only firefox 2.003 when 2.006 its released?01:48
sakabatouGo to the keyboard shortcuts01:48
sakabatouAnd press default01:48
soa2iialejandro: have you man an upgrade?01:48
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alejandrowith adept?01:49
soa2iidoesnt matter...01:49
soa2iisudo aptitude update01:49
soa2iisudo aptitude dist-upgrade01:49
soa2iithen everything should be the newest software01:50
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soa2iisakabatou: do you have any further ideas?01:50
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soa2iithis is my first REAL problem i could not solve :(01:50
sakabatouWas going to ask you if it solved your problem, but im guessing it didn't01:50
sakabatouWhen this problem came up ?01:51
soa2iinot really :/01:51
soa2iithis is the best01:51
sakabatouyesterday ?01:51
soa2iilast evening we just watched dvds here and everything was fine01:51
soa2iithne i booted again and the problem was there01:51
soa2iii tried a second keyboard and the problem was there01:52
sakabatouYou made the update ?01:52
soa2iii tried knoppix01:52
soa2iiand the problem was gone01:52
soa2iiso i reinstalled kubuntu01:52
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soa2iiand the problem is still there01:52
soa2iiwith no updates01:52
soa2iiit appaers on a blan kubuntu install01:52
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sakabatouTry doing it, its a linux kernel update01:53
soa2iiand i do not know what i should do :'(01:53
sakabatouVery importante01:53
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soa2iii already mafde a dist-upgrade because of the new kernel...01:53
soa2iistill the same01:53
soa2iiif i insert knoppix again everthing will be fine ...01:53
soa2iithis drives me crazy...01:54
soa2iiand it seems that i am the only one ....01:54
sakabatouYeah :(01:55
soa2iiand no one has a solutiopn...01:56
soa2iifucking shit...01:56
soa2iii'll get smth to eat... maybe some later ...01:56
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greenhi all01:59
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suiI ran into problems installing amarok. I accidentally removed amarok from my system and when itry to install it, aptitude tells me that there are unmet dependencies: amarok: Depends: libmp4v2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) which is a virtual package.   I tried to find out which package I have to (re)install, but I found no information with google. can anyone help?02:06
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ScarFreewillanyone know how i can get ntfsfix installed?02:07
ScarFreewillor what the pakage name is02:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ntfsfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
zszusing tab completion in konsole produces really annoying sound beep. It's not internal speaker that produces this sound (modprobe -r pcspkr and xset b off did not help). How do I turn the beep off?02:09
suizsz: take a look in kcontrol02:09
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zszsui: of course! I should've realized it myself02:10
suizsz: sound and multimedia - system notification - konsole02:10
ScarFreewill!info ntfsprogs02:10
ubotuntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.13.1-6 (feisty), package size 267 kB, installed size 700 kB02:10
zszsui, thanks02:11
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arunkalei tried playing an avi file in kaffeine, rhythmbox and vlc player, it wont play02:22
arunkalesorry, not rhythmbox02:22
arunkaleit says 'could not determine type of stream'02:22
sahin_harunkale: Is libxine-extracodecs installed?02:23
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arunkalesahin_h: yup02:23
sahin_harunkale: well maybe you need the extra not so legal win32codecs.02:24
arunkalealright, installing02:24
sahin_harunkale: yep02:25
sahin_harunkale: np02:25
sahin_harunkale: I forgot to mention a usful link, if you need help for installation...02:27
suihave a nice day... got to work :|02:27
sahin_harunkale: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs?highlight=%28codec%2902:27
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arunkalesahin_h: i just did a apt-get install w32codecs02:28
arunkaleshould i cancel that?02:28
sahin_harunkale: Ok, that will be fine.02:28
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arunkaledo i need to restart x after installing that?02:30
arunkalebecause the avi file is still not working02:30
sahin_harunkale: Nope.02:30
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sahin_harunkale: I've no idea. Personaly I use mplayer as a media player.02:31
sahin_harunkale: However I saw some files in the past, which was no good for mplayer too.02:31
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arunkalealright, thanks though02:31
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arunkalei havent had any problems playing other avi files though02:35
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sophyI've finished to install kubuntu, I'm astonished that it doesn't detect any update to do... ?02:36
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nosrednaekimsophy: you need to update your package lists first02:38
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toxidashi everyone02:43
toxidasi cannot write to maxtor onetouch usb and cannot change perm on the device02:43
toxidashow can i write to the device (it's formatted ntfs)02:43
toxidasi have to backup something but cannot write plz someone help me?02:44
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toxidasany ideas anyone?02:46
ubuntu_hi toxidas02:46
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fuse-3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:46
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions02:46
toxidasdo i have to do it everytime when i connect to usb or just for once02:47
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flaccidonce. please read02:48
toxidasok thanx02:48
toxidasno luck02:50
toxidasi did it but still cannot write02:50
flaccidwhat does it say02:51
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toxidasunable to mount new volume it says02:52
flaccidgoogle that02:52
toxidasis it ok if i format it to fat 3202:53
toxidasthan i can access can i?02:53
flaccidare you a member of the fuse group?02:53
flaccidsure you can make it fat3202:53
nosrednaekimtoxidas: yeah... if you don't want to store anything over 4 gigabites on it02:53
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flaccidyou need to be a member of the fuse group02:53
toxidasit's 200 gb cannot waste it :)02:54
flaccidnosrednaekim: you can do more than 4gb no problem02:54
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nosrednaekimI mean, per file.02:54
nosrednaekimthat WAS a unclear02:54
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flacciddoesnt the LBA partition type allow larger files02:54
nosrednaekimIDK.... I always just head 4GB02:55
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vltHello. In which file does KDE store the user depending settings for screen resolution and monitor freq?02:59
vltI need to change them but cannot open the Display Module in System Settings.02:59
flaccidvlt: controlled by xorg in /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:59
vltflaccid: No, I mean the KDE user setting02:59
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nosrednaekimvlt: oh... like the dynamically changeable resolution?03:00
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brad_So how can I get to the sound mixer?03:01
flaccidbrad_: run kmix03:01
awenvlt: https://launchpad.net/bugs/13656303:01
vltnosrednaekim: There are several user accounts on the machine. When I log in to kde as one certain user I get odd 86.4kHz interlaced display. But only for the one user. It must be a KDE seting.03:01
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nosrednaekimvlt: hmm ok, odd.03:02
flaccidtry #kde03:02
flaccidits possible to change res in the module without admin mode, not sure how it works with a user setting03:02
Jucatois this on Feisty or Gutsy?03:02
awenvlt: try the suggestion and see if you can get into display-settings03:02
brad_well that worked but damn... I turned my volume down, and now it will not go back up.03:03
vltawen: This is 6.06 LTS here.03:03
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brad_Any thoughts? All my volume sliders are up, that I can see... is there another setting someplace?03:05
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vltawen: Can't find the suggestion you spoke of. What do you mean?03:05
stamenhow can I understand, am I using xgl desktop03:05
awenvlt: intalling python2.5-dev package03:05
stamenI have installed the xglserver03:06
waylandbillbrad_: try turning them down and then turn them back up03:06
nosrednaekimvlt: see if this has what you want ".kde/share/config/displayconfigrc"03:06
stamenbut now how I can test it03:06
brad_waylandbill: No effect.03:06
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects03:07
waylandbillbrad_: silly question maybe, but you don't have the sound muted do ya?03:07
brad_No, and I can hear it.03:07
brad_The volume is just REALLY low.03:07
flaccidtry alsamixer in a konsole03:07
waylandbillflaccid:  that was my next idea03:08
vltnosrednaekim: That looks fine. The other users lack this file. I'll try to edit/remove it. Thanks.03:09
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nosrednaekimvlt: ok.. great03:09
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brad_Yeah, okay, that worked.03:09
brad_I have no idea how the volume got set so low....03:09
brad_And it's odd the same slider isn't available in kmix, no?03:09
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flaccidi guess so yeah03:10
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waylandbillbrad_: interesting that kmix couldn't set the volume03:10
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nosrednaekimbrad_: right click on the mixer and make sure all the channels are enabled03:11
brad_Ah, well there you go.03:11
waylandbillman.. I know I must've been busy this week. 49 updates available. :-)03:12
brad_Now I just wonder how it got so low.03:12
brad_But that is less of a big deal, thanks for the help.03:13
brad_And now kmix is back in the system tray, for whatever reason it was gone before...03:13
waylandbillmaybe you had quit the program previously.03:13
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wckdkl0wnis there any easy way to convert avi to dvd?03:14
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llutzwckdkl0wn: avidemux03:15
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wckdkl0wndoes that have a gui interface?03:15
wckdkl0wnand that converts more then just avi right?03:15
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llutzwckdkl0wn: it has documention too :)03:16
wckdkl0wnllutz: ok ty03:16
hayamii know that this is not the channel, but can anyone help me finding a song? i don't know the name :(03:17
hayamii tried in kubuntu-offtopic but no one helps me pls03:18
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waylandbillanyone know what release will most likely have kde 4?03:20
jussi01waylandbill: I would say hardy..03:20
jussi01thats what i would expect anyway03:20
waylandbilljust curious. like fine wine, shouldn't be rushed. :_03:21
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jussi01Hmmm, does anyone know where the setting is to make firefox start fullscreen?03:21
melkorI've got a 1500 budget for a laptop, I'm considering a mac.  Can they run KDE?03:21
jussi01melkor: they can, but why not buy a dell with ubuntu on it and support it?03:22
melkorDell comes with ubuntu?03:22
jussi01melkor: yes, it does03:22
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jussi01melkor: which countryare you in?03:22
melkorI normally don't have so much for a computer and macs are expensive.03:23
jussi01melkor: www.dell.com/open03:23
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mendredmelkor: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.0403:24
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waylandbillmelkor: I bought my laptop for $500, deleted windows and installed linux. It can be done inexpensively with a little research and a little patience.03:25
jussi01Just try to buy compatible hardware, ie, nvidia, intel etc03:25
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport03:26
alejandrothanks soa2ii03:26
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nosrednaekimmelkor: macs are nice.... so are the dell 1420's though03:26
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waylandbillI own ati and nvidia cards. I prefer nvidia.03:27
melkordamn could you imagine putting freedos on a brand new computer03:27
waylandbillmelkor: just put that in a virtual machine. I'm sure it can't use that much system resources. :-)03:28
nosrednaekimmelkor: did you find the ubuntu ones though?03:29
melkorIt sounds like the same dos that would run warcraft on 2 megs of ram03:29
melkoryes I'm checking them out now.03:29
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Daisuke-Laptopsomeone say 1420?03:31
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melkorwaylandbill I have a budget, if It was comin out of my pocket I might do likewise.03:32
Daisuke-Laptopmelkor: i think they offer freedos because for some reason they aren't allowed to offer a system with *no* os, so they include one that's useless :D03:32
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ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs03:33
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wckdkl0wnwahts the command in konsole to display sysinfo?03:39
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Kashocan i helpme03:39
Kashoanybody with ati 9950?03:40
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Jucatowckdkl0wn: which kind of system information?03:40
wckdkl0wnjust basic stats03:40
hayamican anyone help me finding a song? no one could in offtopic pls03:40
Jucatothere's lspci for one. if you want a graphical app for that, you can use kinfocenter03:40
wckdkl0wncpu type graphics, mem, hd, etc03:40
hayamii have a video but there's no name pls help :(03:40
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Jucatowckdkl0wn: there are different commands for that. like cat /proc/cpuinfo for CPU, free for memory, etc03:41
melkorIs there any reason to have 4 gigs of ram if you don't play video games or edit high defenition photos?03:41
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nosrednaekimwckdkl0wn: "lshw"03:41
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Jucatothat too :)03:42
Jucatolspci also03:42
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Jucatook lshw shws everything ehehe03:42
Jucatomy bad :P03:42
Daisuke-Laptopmelkor: there's no reason to buy 4gb of ram if you're using a 32-bit OS03:42
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BluesKajHowdy All :)03:43
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melkorIs it worth it to run a 64bit os?03:44
zippernew kernel image03:45
Daisuke-Laptopthat all depends on what OS you're talking about03:45
zipperin repositories03:45
Daisuke-Laptopand whether you do anything that will require 4gb of ram :D03:45
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lokpestanybode here knows whats the first release of kubuntu whit kde4 in it, if it gonna be in Hardy Heron03:45
Daisuke-Laptophardy at the earliest03:46
Daisuke-Laptopbecause it won't be gutsy03:46
melkorIll probably run ubuntu, and I assume they have a 64bit version03:46
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nosrednaekimno, they do not have a 64bit version installed03:46
Daisuke-Laptopmelkor: yes they do, but that leaves the second part of the question :)03:46
techbwyes kubuntu does have 64bit version03:46
ArwenHey guys, is KControl linked to in the KMenu anywhere?03:46
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nosrednaekimyeah.. but I don'tthink Dell loads it03:46
zipper64bit is better than 32bit when it's used properly. However, its still pretty new and the support isnt as good as it with 32bit03:46
Daisuke-LaptopArwen: nope03:47
lokpestso nothing said/planed before its released03:47
techbwyou need a diffirent cd for the 64bit version. can be ordered through shipit03:47
zipperjust download a 64bit kernel image?03:47
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zipperor compile it yourself03:48
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techbwthat too03:48
wckdkl0wnis there plugins for konversation that will allow me to post sysinfo? like basics03:48
hayamican you help me?03:48
melkorI would d/load the 64bit install disk.  All I really run that demands anything is gimp for webpage quality pictures03:49
techbwi am a newbe too, so shoot and maybe i can03:49
hayamiwell, i know you'll be mad with me03:49
hayamibut is from a song, :(03:49
hayamii can't find it03:49
melkoror python for numerical calculations03:49
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inaetytechbw: you want wmaker?03:49
zippermelkor, yeah... probably the best way to go. Fresh install with 64bit03:49
hayamican you tell me the name? or something like that?03:49
hayamiis the song from that video pls help :(03:49
techbwyeah, much lighter than kde on PII machine03:49
zipperi know that one03:50
zipperdamn, whats the name03:50
Daisuke-Laptopis this ##music now?03:50
inaetytechbw: okay just install it with adept or better yet, konsole...then log out and the kubuntu splash thing should come up...choose which desktop enviroment you want to login and then login03:50
zippergeorgie something03:51
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zipperhad a really wierd music video03:51
inaetyDaisuke-Laptop: apparently03:51
techbwinaety --> I did do that, but when installed says can't run on xwindow03:51
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hydrogenI've yet to meet a desktop user who needed >4GB of ram or 64bit support03:51
zipperit's not the original one though03:51
zipperit's some sort of a remix03:51
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!03:51
techbwinaety-->probably didn't download all the required files03:51
Arwen....part of kcontrol requires python-dev03:52
Arwensomething's not right03:52
inaetytechbw: try "sudo aptitude install wmaker03:52
techbwinaety-->will do.03:52
techbwwhat's kde3 like03:52
inaetytechbw: awesome03:52
Daisuke-Laptopwhat are you using?03:52
Daisuke-Laptopstill stuck in the days of kde2?03:53
Daisuke-Laptop3's been out for a while now03:53
Daisuke-Laptopa long while, in fact03:53
inaetytechbw: kde4 is coming out in october...03:53
hayamiyeah man03:53
techbwouch....what is coming out not kubuntu 7.07??03:53
Daisuke-Laptop7.07 would have come out two months ago03:54
arctanx7.10's already out03:54
hayamitell me friend :P03:54
Daisuke-Laptop7.10 is coming out next month.03:54
techbwso that would be 3 i presume03:54
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arctanxoh really03:54
techbwkde3 that is03:54
inaetytechbw: kde4 is coming out, which is a desktop enviroment, and that is installed on top of ubuntu03:54
Daisuke-Laptop7.10 is not out, it is still in testing.03:54
arctanxconfused, sorry03:54
inaetyDaisuke-Laptop: is 7.10 gonna be with kde4?03:54
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inaetyhow boring03:55
hayamiwhat's up zipper :P do you have a clue for the song? :(03:55
Daisuke-Laptop8.04 will be the first release with kde403:55
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zipperhayami, read upwards from where i highlighted you03:55
hayamiit's a remix?03:55
techbwI have taken a liking to kubuntu...it is the only os excluding dsl-linux, that will run on this old laptop not even ubuntu installs....only kubuntu03:55
hayami=o but you know the original song name?03:56
hydrogenDaisuke-Laptop: *might be the first release wtih kde403:56
techbwit met an unfortunate accident with a glass of juice03:56
zipperi'm not sure03:56
hayamitell me and maybe that could be :P03:56
inaetytechbw: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same OS just one with kde and the other gnome...wmaker is faster than all of those03:56
hayamisometimes happens :P03:56
zipperas i said, i'm thinking "gor..." "gorgie..". I also remember something about it having a lot of "'" in it like "Go' rg' ie"03:56
zipperreally cant remember03:57
ubotuAMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.03:57
Arwen...there's a bunch of sections in kcontrol that don't load. Anyone else having this issue?03:58
techbwinaety-->I know they are the same just the desktop differs...but for some reason ubuntu hangs on install when selecting time zone, and anyways I prefer KDE, I feel alot more comfy using it, as well as I get alot more software to actually run, including wine, which I can't get running on ubuntu not sure why, but not a priority03:58
KartiQuick one.....looking for links to get flash on Firefox on 64 bit Kubuntu but without using alien03:58
BluesKajyeah zipper I installed gutsy 64 bit , cuz x86 version wouldn't recognize my hardware and X would fail , tried several times but I succumbed ti the 64 bit version ...Konq is awful as a browser  even with IPv6 disabled ,and google earth isn't working altho i do have DRI03:59
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inaetytechbw: weird...but yeah since your computer is...slow then wmaker is a good choice...so might be enlightenment04:00
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inaetytechbw: http://www.enlightenment.org/04:00
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hayamizipper but you see that there are some parts singing something?04:01
Karticancel,,,,,,,,,,found it04:01
BluesKajstill searching for a google earth fix04:01
hayamican you tell me what does he say? i can't understand very well04:01
techbwinaety-->have not hear of enlightenment, but will try, I like window maker, so will try that and mabe install enlightenment at a later stage.  going offline, so thanks for the help will be back thnks04:01
melkorCan you dual boot a 32bit kernel / or a 64bit?04:02
inaetytechbw: good luck04:02
techbwlol--->thanks....need the luck when it comes to this machine. maybe will migrate most my machines to linux, as except one, which I use for work, got no choice there04:03
Arwenmelkor,  yes, but they have to be on separate partitions04:03
Arwenbecause your 64-bit kernel will need 64-bit daemons/tools/etc04:03
techbwnice learning new things, and as in the Matrix change is inevitable lol04:03
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clintc_homeI have an external usb audio device that shows up as card1 (I have no card0) under /proc/asound/ what is the correct setting for System setting | sound system | override device location04:07
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zipperhayami, i can try...04:09
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zippernot that clear04:09
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weyersrwmornin all04:10
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hayamiplease zipper that would be awesome04:10
zipper"You don't stop"04:11
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zipperover and over again04:11
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TECKBWhow can i install codecs for playing various movies divx-->xvid-->etc04:13
melkorIt is a little messed up, dells windows version have more options, like bluetooth.  The linux boxes don't have bluetooth?04:13
hayamii thought so, but nothing apperars but thanks zipper04:13
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zipperbut i dont think the original songs name was "you don't stop"04:14
zipperit was something else04:14
zipperi think04:14
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Arwenmelkor,  hmm? Linux has bluetooth support. Kind of.04:15
TECKBWinaety-->where can I get codecs for video formats xvid and divx04:15
zipperweyersrw, morning?! It's 4pm =P04:16
TECKBWinaety-->busy with the install of window maker now04:16
hayamiwhere are you from zipper =o04:17
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Daisuke-Laptopmelkor: mine has bluetooth04:18
TECKBWinaety-->wmaker installed and working---runing on another session04:19
weyersrwmornin here just got up could be afternoon04:19
Daisuke-Laptop(inspiron 1420n)04:19
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aguitelTECKBW , go http://www.ubuntu.cymaho.com/category/multimedia/04:19
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melkorcool, with the windows installs they let you select models of bluetooth04:19
Minnozzok, I need help now... kubuntu won't start anymore (I get a black screen), only recovery mode works. This happened after I installed nvidia drivers to get beryl working04:20
melkorWhat about Infra red?04:20
weyersrwzipper you seem to be the instigator here04:20
zipperweyersrw, not really04:20
aguitelMinnozz ,youe problem are xorg file04:20
weyersrwblowed up by Nvidia04:21
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aguitelMinnozz, restore the xorg backup04:21
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Minnozzaguitel: how do I do that? I just installed linux for the first time yesterday...04:22
Arwenhow do I set a default away message in Konversation?04:22
aguitelMinnozz ,type en the konsole :sudo /etc/X11/xorg.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:23
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Minnozzaguitel: I already removed beryl and the nvidia driver from the console (with some luck)04:23
ctothejif I use truecrypt on a network share, can multiple computers mount the same volume at the same time?04:23
Minnozzaguitel: thanks, I'm gonna try that04:23
Arwenctothej, only if decryption is handled by the server and not the clients04:24
aguitelMinnozz, if you not see the konsole type ctrl +alt +f204:24
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aguitelMinnozz ,and then ctrl+alt+ f7 to return normal window04:25
ctothejArwen: ahh, hmm. that would be an issue as the network drive is a NAS drive with no server smarts :(04:25
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gridl0ckatl+f7 is all he needs04:25
aguitelMinnozz ,delete automatix !!!!04:25
TECKBWinaety--shows what a noob i am, started wmaker, and kicked myself out of kde04:25
Minnozzaguitel: does this work from the totally black screen I get when trying to boot kubuntu the normal way? (there's only a cursor)04:25
Minnozzor do I need the recovery mode04:26
ctothejArwen: If I were to set it up on a server, I would set it up so that the server mounts the truecrypt drive, and then makes it accessible to other computers right?04:26
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aguitelMinnozz, try to boot in the command opcion04:26
TECKBWdon't know if it is still running on the other session, but will check l8ter04:26
inaetyTECKBW: haha04:26
aguitelMinnozz ,command line opcion in the boot screem04:26
ctothejcool thx04:26
Minnozzaguitel: ok thanks04:27
Minnozzaguitel: and what's with automatix?04:27
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ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)04:27
TECKBWanaety-->will still have to get the theme right, don't like the default look.04:27
inaetyTECKBW: if you hit ctrl+alt+FXX it will show you other sessions...f7 ++ are dedicated to xorg04:27
aguitelMinnozz , uninstall automatix2 ,sudo aptitude purge automatix204:27
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ctothejArwen: do you know of any ways to have crossplatform seemless encryption of single files?04:28
ctothejArwen: not entire volumes04:28
TECKBWanaety --> I did that, but when I switched back to ctrl+alt+f7 it was also wmaker session04:28
Arwenctothej, no, not really04:28
inaetyTECKBW: yeah those kind of DE need tweaking...and if you end up liking to tweak you would then enjoy fluxbox which is probably lighter than wmaker04:28
ctothejArwen: ok, thanks04:28
Minnozzaguitel: thanks, I'm going to try those things now04:28
inaetyTECKBW: then it should be fine...04:29
TECKBWanaety-->will check those out, I have used wmaker before so fairly familiar with it.  but it requires alot of tweaking to get the look just like u want it to.04:29
aguitelMinnozz ,remember: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:29
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aguitelMinnozz ,every times you install some shi.. make backup from this file04:30
inaetyTECKBW: yeah but it will be okay, and it's "inaety" :P04:30
Minnozzone more question: when I'm in the recovery console, I don't have to type a password. Does this mean that my root account has no password or is this normal? =S04:30
Minnozzaguitel: ok04:30
TECKBWinaety-->;-P sorry,04:30
weyersrwI have a c600 and would like to load fluxbox04:31
inaetyTECKBW: heh04:31
inaetyTECKBW: what is your IRC client04:31
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inaetyTECKBW: just type "ina" and then hit tab04:32
TECKBWinaety-->do u know how to install codecs for mplayer04:32
inaetyTECKBW: which ones04:32
TECKBWk will try if i get myself kicked out of kde...and can't open konversation in wmaker then will log back into kde04:33
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Minnozzaguitel: one more question: when I'm in the recovery console, I don't have to type a password. Does this mean that my root account has no password or is this normal? =S04:33
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aguitelMinnozz, no probem with this04:33
ArwenMinnozz, runlevel 1 bypasses root passwords04:33
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Arwenif you want some kind of security on it, I recommend passwording the boot entry04:34
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MinnozzArwen: well it's not a problem for me, everyone in my house would run away screaming when they see anything other than WinXP, let alone a console04:35
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MinnozzI'm going to try to fix it, cya soon (I hoop)04:36
TECKBWinaety-->my machine does not seem to like opening two sessions, might be a ram issue, not much ram in the machine, so there might not be enough for both kde and wmaker to run simultaniously04:36
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inaetyTECKBW: you should be able to run konversation in wmaker04:37
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:37
inaetyTECKBW: open a terminal and type "konversation"04:37
TECKBWyeah, I can, but can't have both kde and wmaker running together, so staying on kde for now till I av some time to customise wmaker04:38
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kolab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:38
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TECKBWinaety -->how to I install media codecs...looked in adept, but can't seem to locate them04:40
TECKBWinaety-->is there an apt-get codec...or somthing similar that I can use.  like apt-get install divx04:40
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inaetyTECKBW: oh one second04:40
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Arwen!restrictedformats | TECKBW04:41
ubotuTECKBW: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:41
inaetyTECKBW: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?04:41
BluesKajTECKBW:  sudo apt-get install xine-extracodecs libdvdcss w32codecs04:41
ArwenTECKBW, you probably want libxine1-ffmpeg, w32codecs, libdvdcss2, and mplayer04:42
TECKBWi think they are both enabled will check the etc/apt/config file04:42
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TECKBWanaety-->they are enabled going to try install now04:43
ausmediahi guys, anyone here know anything about apache2?04:43
inaetyTECKBW: okay do what BluesKaj said04:44
inaetyanyone know about freevo? http://pastebin.com/m6374e0e104:44
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ArwenBluesKaj, that's libxine1-ffmpeg04:45
TECKBWinaety-->does not install says not availble or discontinued04:45
inaetyTECKBW: ^^04:46
Arwenlibdvdcss2 and w32codecs aren't shipped with Ubuntu04:46
Arwenor available for that matter04:46
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org04:46
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BluesKajTECKBW:  maybe some additional repos are required in your sources.list , like the above04:46
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arthurHI AL04:47
TECKBWinaety-->will check out where I can get the repos, because I have alot of video that is produced using xvid or divx.04:48
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arctanxto be realistic, the only legal piece of video I've found encoded in divx is the starcraft2 trailer. go figure. *goes to bed*04:48
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inaetyTECKBW: just use medibuntu04:48
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ArwenDivX/XviD need to die already :-\04:49
TECKBWinaety--> would i have to re-install to use medibuntu???04:49
Arwensame with MP304:49
ArwenTECKBW, no... it's a set of extra repositories04:49
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org04:49
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Minnozzaguitel: i'm back again04:50
Minnozzit didn't work...04:50
inaetythanks Arwen04:50
Arwenick, VLC doesn't like running in KDE04:51
aguitelMinnoz ,the problen maby is there no backup file are04:51
TECKBWoh! I thought it was ubuntu's commercial version where media codecs and would be for sale04:51
Minnozzaguitel: there is no /etc/x11/ directory...04:51
Arwenheh, commercial version? :-)04:51
inaetyArwen: vlc is the worst04:51
aguitelMinnozz, is X11 ,not x1104:51
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Arweninaety, well, it's got problems. Can't say it's the worst though. Xine is infinitely worse.04:51
BluesKajTECKBW:  perhaps you could try Avidemux , Tovid , Acidrip ...these good options to explore if you're doing video editing to dvd etc.04:51
Arwen(DVDs are one of those things that needs to die too)04:52
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Minnozzaguitel: I did 'ls' in the etc directory and there was no folder that started with an  X04:52
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ArwenMinnozz, uh oh, you don't even have X? :-\04:52
aguitelMinnozz, is there maby ocult04:52
BluesKajArwen:  why ? DVDs are one of those things that needs to die too04:52
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ArwenBluesKaj, because they use 10 year old technology.04:53
TECKBWArwen-->you have alot of hate for things that are used in every day life,  I know DVD's are going to be obsolete in the comming years but leave the hate at home.04:53
inaetyArwen: but a lot of programs are built of xine...well use libxine04:54
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ArwenTECKBW, when things are obsolete, you should let them rest in peace. MPEG-2 has been superceded several times over.04:54
MinnozzArwen: I don't know, the only thing i did with fresh kubuntu install was installing beryll, updating, installing nvidia drivers, removing beryl and removing nvidia drivers04:54
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BluesKajwell, we're using pretty old tecnology bsaed on a compute languge written in the 50s , namely Unix :)04:54
ArwenLinux Is Not UniX? :-P04:54
Minnozzaguitel: how can I scroll the console up? I can't see all results from ls04:54
TECKBWArwen--> Maybe so but I can't choose the format that I get given, I just view the content in whatever format that is given to me04:55
BluesKajthere wouldn't be any linix without unix04:55
aguitelMinnoz ,you are in command line?04:55
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ArwenBluesKaj, but for the most part, Linux has superceded Unix (although Solaris and OS X are still around).04:55
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Minnozzaguitel: yes I am (other pc)04:56
aguitelMinnozz ,in the command line is not possible04:57
ArwenMinnozz, you need to use some kind of abstraction. Like screen or less.04:57
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Minnozzok but that's not the biggest problem04:57
inaetyTECKBW: heh04:57
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Arwenchill? heh04:58
BluesKajTECKBW:  are you transcoding avi files to mpeg ?04:58
Minnozzwhy don't I have a /etc/x11/ dir?04:58
ArwenMinnozz, capital X04:58
Arwenmaybe a bad script killed it04:58
kcghi there, i have a question on php5 as module in apache2 under kubuntu04:58
TECKBWnope, I get given videos to view, and document, so I don't do any editing only viewing04:58
Arwenyou could try apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg04:58
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Minnozzis that (no X11 folder) the reason that kubuntu won't start properly?04:59
kcgI have definitely installed php5 and  libapache2-mod-php5, but when typed "apache2 -l" php is not listed as a module04:59
weyersrwta ta04:59
ArwenMinnozz, almost definitely :-)04:59
Minnozzok, I'll try to reinstall05:00
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x_linkQuestiontime! =)05:01
Daisuke-Laptopdid someone install the server edition by mistake?05:01
x_linkI use Kubuntu 32-bits, should I change to 64-bits?05:02
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Daisuke-Laptopx_link: two questions on that.  do you do anything that can really take advantage of a 64-bit os?  and do you have a ton of ram that the 32-bit version can't see?05:02
BluesKajx_link:  are you happy with the 32bit version ?05:02
Daisuke-Laptop>4gb that is05:02
Daisuke-Laptopand that's the third question05:03
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MinnozzArwen: ok I reinstalled xserver-xorg05:03
Minnozzrebooting now05:03
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x_linkBluesKaj: I'm more than happy.05:03
ArwenMinnozz, you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as well05:03
x_linkDaisuke-Laptop: It was just a question =905:03
jcs7778How do you install a new kde style?05:03
Daisuke-Laptopx_link: then there's no reason to switch05:03
MinnozzArwen: what does that do?05:03
BluesKajx_link: I'm running 64 bit Gutsy and I05:04
ArwenMinnozz, resets/regenerates configuration files05:04
Daisuke-Laptopx_link: yes, but there are different answers for different people based on their needs05:04
x_linkDaisuke-Laptop: 32-bits only supports up to 4GB RAM, right?05:04
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MinnozzArwen: ok i'll try05:04
Arwenquick KDE question: where can I control startup apps?05:04
BluesKajm disappointed05:04
Daisuke-Laptopx_link: correct05:04
x_linkDaisuke-Laptop: Okej, I understand.05:04
kcgany one got an idea on that apache2 problem?05:04
x_linkAnd I don't need more than 4GB RAM, so I will keep 32-bits =)05:04
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Daisuke-Laptopi remember when the first mainstream 32-bit OSes came out...  we didn't think the industry would ever hit the limit on that.05:05
kcgrepost: im trying to install php as a module of apache2, i followed the guide in http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Apache_HTTP_Server but it doesn't seem to work05:05
BluesKajdoes anyone need 4G ram for everyday use ...doubt it05:05
GerritHello. My wireless card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 BG) is not working. It says: radio off. How do I turn the radio on?05:05
StevenRGerrit: what says "radio off" ?05:05
Daisuke-LaptopBluesKaj: if "everyday use" means "for daily use at pixar" then sure, but for the most part, you're fine05:06
Daisuke-Laptopand i have to hop in the shower.05:06
GerritStevenR: iwconfig05:06
Gerriteth0     radio off   ESSID:""05:06
StevenRGerrit: iwconfig can probably turn the radio on05:06
Daisuke-LaptopStevenR: is the wireless switch on the front of you laptop on?05:06
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GerritI tried but couldnt find05:06
Daisuke-LaptopGerrit, i mean05:06
Daisuke-Laptopsorry Steve-O05:06
MinnozzArwen: which video card driver do I need to chose?05:07
BluesKaj1G ram is plenty for my requirements05:07
ArwenMinnozz, whichever one matches your card05:07
Daisuke-Laptop640k should be enough for anybody!05:07
MinnozzArwen: I have an nVidia EN7900GT, is 'nv' the driver?05:07
Daisuke-Laptop...unless of course you actually want to DO something :D05:08
BluesKajBill Gates 1990 ?05:08
Daisuke-Laptopnv for now, yes05:08
ArwenMinnozz, should be "nvidia"05:08
Arwenor "nv" if you never installed the proprietary one05:08
Minnozznvidia is not in the list05:08
Daisuke-LaptopArwen: not if he doesn't have the proprietary :)05:08
Minnozzok i'll chose nv05:08
Daisuke-Laptopand i see you've covered that and once again i'm slow05:08
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Daisuke-Laptopshower time then over to the parents' house05:10
Daisuke-Laptopi get the joyous task of cooking lunch :D05:10
Arwen"cooking" lunch? :-P05:11
MinnozzArwen: do I need kernel framebuffer?05:11
ArwenMinnozz, probably not05:11
Minnozzok :)05:11
Arwenin fact, almost definitely not05:11
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Daisuke-LaptopArwen: yes.  i'm cooking steak and eggs on mom's netburst P4.05:12
BluesKajwifey just cooked me bacon05:12
melkorare there nvidia drivers that work for 64bit systems?05:12
Arwenxsion, nice try05:12
BluesKaj&eggs ... a treat05:12
Arwenmelkor, um, both drivers are 64-bit compatible05:12
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Daisuke-Laptopmy girlfriend doesn't cook.  she's getting better though, i'm teaching her :D05:13
BluesKajthink i'm going back to x86 ...64bit isn't ready for primetime05:13
Arwenget a new girlfriend :-P05:13
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aguitelanyone helpme for compile compiz?05:14
Daisuke-Laptopno way05:14
Arwenaguitel, compile? no, never tried that05:14
Daisuke-Laptopi'm actually thinking of upgrading the one i've got to fiancee05:14
iskaldurhi, im a linux noob, just installed 7.04, and knetworkmanager is giving me a "no network device found"...any help?05:14
aguitelArwen, how i know if my video card support 3d?05:15
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Arwenaguitel, read the specs05:15
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Arwen(standard hardware answer)05:15
Daisuke-Laptopaguitel: a newer nvidia?  if it doesn't support 3d, you should get your money back.05:15
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iskalduri tried googling for it, but i just see a bunch of bug reports related to it, not a solution05:15
aguitelis old video card05:16
Daisuke-Laptopwhat model?05:16
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aguiteltnt2 32meg05:16
aguitelRIVA TNT2 Model 6405:17
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Daisuke-Laptopwhile it *may* support rudimentary 3d, don't try beryl or compiz.05:17
MinnozzArwen: wow that were a lot of questions05:17
MinnozzI hope it works now05:17
MinnozzArwen: it works!05:19
MinnozzArwen, aguitel: thanks a lot for your help05:19
aguitelMinnozz , it fix?05:20
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Minnozzaguitel: yes I get my desktop now05:21
Minnozza lot better than a black monitor :)05:21
aguitelMinnozz ,make  backup from xorg.conf file05:21
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Minnozzwait, i'll come on IRC from that pc05:21
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kcghello, has anyone got an idea of php on apache2 in kubuntu?05:23
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jimmacdonaldI have an interesting problem.05:23
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Arwenmaybe you'll get an interesting solution.05:24
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jimmacdonaldeverytime I unplug my laptop when it tries to do a shut down after a period of inactivity, rather than shutting down I get a black screen with what looks like a bunch of dmesg entries05:24
jimmacdonaldstating problems with ACPI and my usb driver.05:24
jimmacdonaldI looked in dmesg after restart  and those entries are not there./05:24
jimmacdonaldanyone got any ideas?05:24
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kkathmanhmm been awhile since Ive been over here on the kubuntu side - did they move /opt/kde3/share/sounds  somewhere else ??05:25
Datradananyone know some programe to make iso?05:25
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PsycoshotDoes anyone here know how to make a folder/menu on KIBA-DOCK?05:26
jimmacdonald additional info: in order to regain control of the computer I have to hardboot it twice.....05:26
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MinnozzArwen: oops, I was a little bit too early... my screen got all white...05:28
arunIs there any good software to convert AVI videos into MPEG or OGG format?05:29
llutzarun: avidemux05:29
arunllutz: thanks :) is it easy to use?05:29
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ArwenMinnozz, hmm05:30
llutzarun: ... better than commandline :) needs some learning, but not too heavy stuff05:30
Arwenpastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log05:30
arunllutz: alright, thanks a lot!05:30
arunis it in the repos?05:30
llutzit should be05:31
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MinnozzArwen: how can I do that?05:31
arunllutz: which format should i convert into? mpeg or ogg/ogm05:31
MinnozzI can't see anything except white05:31
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Daisuke-Laptopogm isn't a format, it's a container05:32
Arwenarun, um, you can convert an AVI into OGG very easily using ogmmerge from ogmtools05:32
llutzarun: what do you intend to do with the videos? just for playing it on PC, OGG will be fine. for standalones maybe mpeg will be more common05:32
Arwenbut I don't think that's what you want05:32
Daisuke-Laptopogg theora is probably what you'd want for pc05:32
ArwenTheora sucks on so many levels..05:32
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Daisuke-LaptopArwen: just clarifying what he meant by ogg05:32
Daisuke-Laptopif you want the most compatibility, go with mpeg, or *possibly* xvid (as some set-top boxes can play it)05:33
Arwenor just hook your PC up to your TV05:33
ArwenI always wondered what was so hard about that :-\05:33
arunllutz: i want to convert some avi videos i have into ogg without losing quality (should look good after conversion as well).. what should i use? avidemux or ogmtools05:34
Arwenarun, .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Format05:34
Daisuke-LaptopArwen: i can't do that, i've been trying05:34
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arunthere's nothing on that page Arwen05:35
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kkathmanIs there a how-to for kubuntu on removing beryl and using compiz-fusion?05:35
Arwenarun, also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_Compression05:35
Arwenyou're asking the wrong questions05:35
Arwenyou're asking invalid questions05:35
aruni just want to convert from avi into an open format05:35
arunwhat would be the best way to do it05:35
ArwenAVI is an open format05:36
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kkathmanArwen:  do you know if there is a wiki on compiz-fusion + kubuntu,  all the Google links seem to just show ubuntu05:40
Arwenkkathman, sorry, no idea05:40
kkathmank thanks05:41
kkathmanArwen:  fyi - dug a little deeper:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion05:41
kkathmanits for BOTH ubuntu and kubuntu05:42
Arwenoh, hehe05:42
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kkathmanhi milton :)05:42
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miltonfirst time on kubuntu chat05:42
ArwenMilton wrote Paradise Lost didn't he?05:42
miltoni htink05:42
miltoni am lost05:43
miltongetting to know linux at the moment..05:43
Arwenheh, we all had to05:44
miltonyeah, really?05:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about avidemux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:44
ArwenI'm still learning KDE, I just switched yesterday.05:44
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arunArwen: switched to kde?05:44
miltonreally, yesterday05:44
miltonme just this morning...05:44
Arwenmilton, hehe05:44
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miltontrying to adjust05:45
emilsedghah, the wonderfull world of KDE, you just had to customize and personilize it :P05:45
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Arwenarun, you're looking for http://avidemux.org ?05:45
miltonpretty cool thought05:45
Arwenemilsedgh, heh. GTK+ stuff is pissing me off though.05:45
arunArwen: no, i got that.. i thought there might be a guide or something in the community documentation05:46
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miltonwhat is gtk?05:46
Arwenno, because we don't recommend destroying video by transcoding it05:46
emilsedghArwen: you still had to use some stuff from GTK+ and gnome, like inkscape05:46
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Arwenmilton, on Linux and similar, most GUI apps are either written in Gnu ToolKit or TrollTech QT.05:46
emilsedgh!info gtk+05:47
ubotuPackage gtk+ does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas05:47
Arwenemilsedgh, yeah I know, but all that GTK stuff misbehaves05:47
Arwen!info libgtk2.0-005:47
ubotulibgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.11-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2481 kB, installed size 5372 kB05:47
darlokI'm trying to use wget to download a bunch of .pdf files from a password-protected site, but it seems that wget refuses to log into those areas.05:47
darlokI've used the http-user and http-password options...05:47
miltonI was mainly into windows until now..05:47
Daisuke-Laptopgimp toolkit*05:48
ArwenDaisuke-Laptop, it's just called the GNU ToolKit now.05:48
emilsedghmilton: that crap os?05:48
SlimeyPeteGnu image manipulation program ToolKit ;)05:48
Daisuke-Laptopwhoopise :D05:48
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miltonI get alot of viruses from time to time05:48
aruni just tried opening an avi file in avidemux, and it says 'could not open file'05:48
ArwenSlimeyPete, GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Toolkit :-P05:49
Arwenarun, #avidemux maybe?05:49
SlimeyPetedoesn't really roll off the tongue05:49
kkathmanhey Arwen - whats that command that tells you what's installed?  Equivalent to rpm -qa | grep <name> ??05:49
Arwenum... one second05:49
kkathmanI forgot what it is on buntus ??05:49
miltonHow do I get flash on my browser (konquerer), anybody?05:50
kkathmanis it dpkg -l |grep ??05:50
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SlimeyPetewith difficulty. It's easier if you use firefox or opera, milton.05:50
Arwenkkathman, looks like it05:50
Arwen(why are you asking me if you know?)05:50
miltonhows that?05:50
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash05:50
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nicolai_!flash | milton05:51
ubotumilton: please see above05:51
MinnozzArwen: It works now, seems like i forgot to deinstall beryl-manager05:51
SlimeyPetemilton: I've heard that you need to do some fiddling around to get konqueror to see the flash plugin, whereas the other two should just see it once it's installed.05:51
SlimeyPeteperhaps my info is out-of-date though :)05:51
emilsedghArwen: thats crap, isnt it?05:51
MilhousePunkRockSlimeyPete: I have installed Feisty lately, I think Flash got installed automatically, I did not do anything for it...05:52
miltonwhats with konquerer anyways, why won't it work flash?05:52
holasHi there05:52
ArwenThat's not really the right question to ask. The real question is to ask Adobe why their flash doesn't play with Konqueror.05:52
nicolai_I just installed Flash, but some people need to go to the 'plugins' setting in Konqueror to make it work05:52
SlimeyPetemilton: Gnash is installed automatically, IIRC. Doesn't work on youtube.05:52
KartiHi all, having a bit of difficulty with a nvidia card. It works fine, just no 3d. When I try to change the "nv" to "nvidia" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf I loose the screen and have to change it from another terminal. Any ideas? I did install the nvidia-glx and my card is a 730005:52
miltonis konquerer a older browser or what?05:52
SlimeyPetemilton: it's a minority browser and Adobe/Macromedia don't bother to make sure it's supported, AFAIK05:53
miltonoh yeah05:53
Daisuke-LaptopKarti: did you install the nvidia driver?05:53
miltonI'll just get opera then05:53
MilhousePunkRockSlimeyPete: From what I heard, Apple's safari bases on Konqueror...05:53
Daisuke-Laptopyes, okay05:53
Daisuke-Laptopnow, upon installing, it should have set itself inthe xorg.conf05:54
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KartiDaisuke-Laptop: I did the aptitude install nvidia-glx05:54
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miltonis konquerer from linux or apple, or what ever?05:54
nicolai_Karti: install nvidia glx, then go to  system settings -> monitor and display -> hardware -> admin -> proprietary05:54
emilsedghMilhousePunkRock: Safari's Rendering Engine is named Webkit, which is based on KDE's Rendering Engine named khtml which designed to be used at Konqueror05:54
Daisuke-LaptopMilhousePunkRock: not *quite*05:54
Arwen!konqueror | milton05:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:54
emilsedghmilton: Konqueror is Pure KDE product05:54
SlimeyPeteMilhousePunkRock: yeah, but I think it's diverged quite far over its history05:55
SlimeyPeteI could be wrong though05:55
miltonthanks for the info...05:55
Daisuke-LaptopSlimeyPete: interesting you should bring that up, apparently khtml and webkit are remerging05:55
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SlimeyPeteDaisuke-Laptop: ah right, hadn't heard that05:55
MilhousePunkRockSlimeyPete: I think emilsedgh gave the best explanation...05:55
miltonwell got to go..I have alot of experience to get caught up with..05:56
SlimeyPetemilton: have fun :)05:56
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Daisuke-Laptoptime to pack up the lappy05:57
MilhousePunkRockOn an ancient mainboard, where the I/O ports are not yet color coded, which PS/2 port would you expect to be which=05:57
emilsedghI Think Konqueror could just buzz the world, only if it has some good default options, for example good toolbar's selections and positions...05:57
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Daisuke-Laptoptrial and error05:57
soa2iii now got a 5.1 sourround system and my rare-speakers don't give a tone...05:58
soa2iisomeone an idea?05:58
Daisuke-Laptopsoa2ii: do you have a 5.1 sound *card*?05:58
soa2iiit's a nvidia ck804 chipset05:58
MilhousePunkRockemilsedgh: IPv6 should be disabled by default, so new people notice it actually is fast and not install Firefox as the first thing they do in Kubuntu...05:58
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SlimeyPetesoa2ii: plugged it into the right socket? sometimes there's a seperate socket for 5.1.05:58
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Daisuke-Laptopyep, same as my desktop, and i've never gotten it to work either :(05:58
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SlimeyPetesoa2ii: is it a modern PC?05:58
emilsedghMilhousePunkRock: ah, its really has better perfomance againts mozilla firefox...05:58
soa2iinot really05:59
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soa2iiabout 2 years old05:59
nicolai_soa2ii: Is Kmix set to 6ch under "channel mode"?05:59
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SlimeyPete2 years should be modern enough.05:59
soa2iinicolai_: where exactly?05:59
MilhousePunkRockemilsedgh: Still some pages do not work in it, like Firefox vs IE years ago... And the webpanel of my UPnP server does not support Konq, so I still need to have Fx installed...06:00
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soa2iino but now...06:00
soa2iithe rears dont give a tone... :/06:00
emilsedghMilhousePunkRock: but I have better experience of rendering pages with konqueror, even i see many pages that are screwed up with Gecko/Firefox but are working nice in khtml/konqueror06:01
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soa2iikmix is now under 6channel mode06:02
soa2iiwhat can i change yet?06:02
nicolai_soa2ii: try closing whatever program uses the sound.06:02
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soa2iiand then?06:03
Ace2016anyone here know a font manager which will preview a piece of sample text in every font on the system???06:03
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emilsedghAce2016: fonts:/ in konqueror :)06:04
Ace2016no it has to be text i specify06:04
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emilsedghAce2016: wait a few minutes06:05
MilhousePunkRockAce2016: "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" not good enough?06:05
emilsedghAce2016: go to system settings->Apperance06:06
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emilsedghAce2016: then go to the font installer section06:06
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emilsedghAce2016: there is a button for this in top of the page :)06:07
KartiHia all, just tried the proprietary radio button and when I restated x I had to go in and edit the xorg.conf again......any ideas?06:07
Ace2016emilsedgh: which button? tried them all none seem to add custom text06:08
emilsedghAce2016: I have it, in top, after the 'Print' button...(thats disbaled, click on a font to enable it)06:09
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soa2iii need still some help...06:10
soa2iihow can i find out why the rear speakers doesnt work06:10
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Ace2016emilsedgh: thats is sooo close to what i want, just wish it would allow me to change the text06:11
emilsedghAce2016: it lets you change the text, doesnt it? let me take a screenshot to show you that i changed the text to 'Test'06:12
soa2iihm ok... i think i'm searching wrong here06:13
soa2iii'm just listening to musikl06:13
soa2iithis is stereo and my system has an "upmix" feature06:13
soa2iiso it's maybe not linux fault...06:13
soa2iihm doch...06:14
soa2iii need to map the rear speakers on the front ones... how do i do that?06:15
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Ace2016emilsedgh: oh i found it, i had to click on the T after picking a font, thanks06:15
emilsedghAce2016: http://i9.tinypic.com/4xyrpq8.png06:15
emilsedghAce2016: you see, KDE Rocks! ;)06:15
screamxanyone kno howto use steam on linux06:16
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anon32on the login screen, how can I make it not remember usernames?06:17
darlokI'm trying to use wget to download a bunch of .pdf files from a password-protected site, but it seems that wget refuses to log into those areas.06:17
darlokI've used the http-user and http-password options...06:17
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emilsedghdarlok: why dont you use Konqueror or kget if its hard for you to use wget ?06:18
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soa2iiis there noone with sound know-how here?!06:19
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darlokemilsedgh: Because I need to recursively download these files... they're located in several different subdirectories of the website.06:19
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t4m1n0hello tehre06:19
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winbondare there any apps for stress testing overclocked cpu and ram ??06:19
t4m1n0how can I get an information (version) of a specific package06:19
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nicolai_t4m1n0: OPen Adept, search for package, look at information06:20
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t4m1n0nicolai_, what about command line06:21
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tzangergood afternoon06:24
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nicolai_t4m1n0: I rarely use commands, so no idea.06:25
tzangerI've got a bluetooth mouse with a scroll wheel that won't scroll... Kubuntu already has the zaxismapping lines in xorg.conf, so I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to get the scroll wheel to work06:25
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darlokAnyone know of any GUI apps that will recursively download specific files from a website?06:25
tzangercatting /dev/input/mice shows there's traffic when I move the mouse and click the buttons, but I don't see aqnything when I scroll06:25
tzangeris there perhaps some option to hidd I need to give?06:25
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winbondon lots of linux screenshots i see a software that monitors everything inside the computer, cpu, ram usage, disc space etc, anyone know what the name of it is?06:29
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llutzwinbond: gkrellm06:30
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llutzwinbond: or if you don't want to work with your PC: superkaramba06:30
winbondllutz, thank you , i wanna give it a try06:30
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ArtimusI can't even stand having a desktop wallpaper, I just got used to desktop icons.  SuperKaramba would be hell...06:32
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gridl0ckdarlok: gwget06:33
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darlokgridl0ck: That will only download the entire website, not let me specify WHICH types of files to download.06:34
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AboSamoo1hi all , I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(06:34
sophyhow to do so that kubuntu stops to ask me the password of kdewallet ?06:34
gridl0cklike wget it has the option for recursive06:34
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darlokgridl0ck: I know it does, but it doesn't let me say to ONLY download .pdf files, which is what I need.06:35
gridl0ckah ok sorry misunderstood06:35
gridl0cki use the konsole mostly06:35
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darlokgridl0ck: Well, I've tried using wget, but it won't let me login to the website to download the protected files.06:36
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AboSamoo1can anyone help me ? I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(. it only appears at startup of KDE :( then disappears totally06:36
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[Ramy] can anyone help me ? I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(. it only appears at startup of KDE :( then disappears totally. it was set as auto-hide. how I can recover that , is there any text configuration file to be edited ?:(06:39
melkoris it set always on top?06:40
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[Ramy] melkor , no I put it as Auto-hide then it disappeared totally06:40
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melkoris anybody here running kde 4?06:41
melkorRamy back when I had windows, the task bar was auto hide and it would pop up only if it was "always on top"06:42
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melkorYou can't even configure it though?  Because you can't right click on it?06:43
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[Ramy] melkor , that if you want to change that option you have to get the taskbar first ?06:43
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clearviewSysinfo for 'CLEARview-Feisty2': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.26GHz at 2266 MHz (4536 bogomips), , RAM: 315/503MB, 106 proc's, 3.7min up06:45
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melkorRamy could you change it in kcontrol, mine doesn't have 'autohide' option06:48
iskalduris there a "restricted drivers manager" in kubuntu?06:49
iskaldurim trying to follow a tutorial for ubuntu-gnome that mentions it, but i cant find it =(06:50
Jucatoiskaldur: there will be in Gutsy (release October06:50
Jucatobut on feisty, no restricted manager yet06:50
iskaldurah, so how do i do something like get my graphics card recognized?06:50
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:51
iskalduri have a intel graphics media accelerator 310006:51
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bfernandezAti caca06:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:53
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bfernandezAti 9550 in Kubuntu  buuuuu06:53
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Jucatoiskaldur: hm... I believe intel has open source drivers already so there's no need for special drivers to be installed.. not really sure though06:53
iskaldurhmm, all i know is that my system settings says "graphics card: vesa"06:53
iskaldurdo you know how i can get my monitor recognized? (dell e207wfp)06:54
bfernandezi'm have Ati Radeon is more bad config in deb06:54
emilsedghanyone knows that is there any plan to change the Adept's ui? Its really creative but really sucks at usability...06:55
bfernandezfesty faw not run ati 955006:55
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sophyhow to log automatically on a user ?06:58
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sea_4_everCan someone tell me where the source code of "Ktron" is?07:03
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m477when i mount camera with flash disk i have one pic here what to do ?07:05
emilsedghsea_4_ever: should be in the KDE's svn...07:05
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emilsedghsea_4_ever: go to http://websvn.kde.org to find it...07:07
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ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 07:08
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GuyFromHellout of curiosity, what is the point of using the UUID's instead of the /dev/(s|h)d[a-z] [0-9] 's07:10
GuyFromHell(in fstab)07:10
ubotuTo see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)07:11
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MinnozzHi, I have a question: when I type 'su' in Konsole (and enter password X), I get authentification error. But when I use sudo .... (and enter password X), there's no problem. Why is that?07:11
GuyFromHellJucato: k, and a quick google search answered me question as well. thanks07:12
Jucato!su | Minnozz07:12
ubotuMinnozz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.07:12
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spirooanyone know how to fix the damn audio encoding problem?07:14
MinnozzJucato: aah, thanks :)07:14
anon32grr, VLC on KDE crashes when opening a file07:14
jonathantcan someone help me with playing .mov files in firefox using vlc07:15
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:16
anon32jonathant, ....no07:16
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dhq hcid --> takes alot of my processes07:23
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Q-collectivehey all07:28
Q-collectiveHow do I activate the wikipedia feature in konversation? It seems this is deactivated by default in Kubuntu.07:30
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JucatoQ-collective: it's enabled though. Settings -> COnfigure Konversation -> Auto Replace07:31
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anon32Q-collective, it's active here07:31
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Q-collectivegood :)07:34
Q-collectivethx Jucato07:34
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AdamKiliok ok here goes: I've mounted a samba share through LinNeighborhood and was wondering how to make it automatically mount it like that? I've followed a guide to permanantly mount samba shares, but it mounts it like it mounts a CD, anyone know how to mount it permanantly like LinNeighborhood does? I think LinNeighborhood uses the command smbmnt but i can't figure it out07:38
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jhutchinsAdamKili: What i do is I put it in my fstab as type smbfs, auto, credentials.07:41
anon32can anyone recommend a kwin theme that doesn't have rounded edges?07:42
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jhutchinsAdamKili: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions07:42
winbonddoes anyone know if i can specify on which core to run cpuburn or how i can run it on all cores at the same time?07:42
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David_Edmundsonwinbond: what's CPU burn?07:46
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David_Edmundsonit won't run on all cores unless it's threaded...to make it use more than one core, simply load it twice07:47
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spirooI wonder how do I cleanup adept tmp? It has in someway locked me out from install or update. I cannot do anything. I have access in adept, that is not the problem. The problem is that I cannot install or anything.07:47
MilhousePunkRock!apt-fix | spiroo07:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:48
MilhousePunkRock!aptfix | spiroo07:48
ubotuspiroo: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 07:48
spirooThen there is some error when trying to install jre1.4 (java)07:48
spirooMilHouseRock, that is not the problem07:48
spirooadept has not crach07:48
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anon32wtf, I need to compile new themes from source?07:49
ubuntuhi to all07:49
emilsedghanon32: most the styles has packages, kde-style-*07:49
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