[12:36] <elite101> now you will be in a page with "fadded out wrighting and sites"
[12:36] <elite101> what?
[12:36] <knapp> When I click listen, mplayer tries to play it but cant
[12:36] <elite101> not click able?
[12:37] <elite101> is there a "complete upgrade" icon you can click on?
[12:37] <elite101> its plus
[12:37] <elite101> its blue*
[12:37] <vers> i cant click manage repositories
[12:37] <elite101> mhm?
[12:37] <elite101> are you running off the livecd? :S
[12:37] <vers> no
[12:37] <elite101> mhm lol
[12:38] <vers> yeah
[12:38] <elite101> i dont know why? did you try installing something with adept befor?
[12:38] <elite101> have you ever used adept befor?
[12:38] <elite101> !adeptfix
[12:38] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:38] <vers> no
[12:38] <elite101> lol
[12:38] <elite101> well that doesnt apply
[12:38] <vers> huh
[12:39] <vers> ??what do u mean
[12:39] <elite101> well i dont know exactly what to do because i bet someone in here is watching me and going "nope your doing it all wrong elite101"
[12:39] <elite101> lol i dont know why the button is not clickable?
[12:40] <damaltor> nabend
[12:40] <vers> yeah...well it doesnt seem like anybody has the balls tho
[12:40] <vers> lol
[12:40] <vers> thanks for your help elite101
[12:40] <elite101> np
[12:40] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:40] <vers> :)
[12:40] <evjunior09> Is there a place that sells Laptops without OS, so i can install Kubuntu on it?
[12:40] <damaltor> dell
[12:40] <damaltor> sells pcs without os
[12:41] <elite101> they have the balls its just they aleady did it and there probably eating super
[12:41] <damaltor> or even with linux on them
[12:41] <evjunior09> at a Store tho
[12:41] <vers> tru..im just messing around
[12:41] <elite101> why is it when its queit then 10people have to talk at once?
[12:41] <evjunior09> I know dell has them with Linux, but i dont wanna pay 800.00
[12:41] <elite101> lol
[12:41] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:41] <vers> there are some helpful people on here
[12:41] <vers> this is my first time on a linux system
[12:42] <evjunior09> Ha. have fun. :)
[12:42] <vers> lol
[12:42] <mrksbrd> elite101, what r u trying to do?
[12:42] <vers> i know
[12:42] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:42] <vers> enable universe
[12:42] <elite101> yeah
[12:42] <vers> on my box
[12:42] <elite101> mrksbrd,^
[12:42] <evjunior09> Anyone know of a store that sells laptops without an Operating System?
[12:43] <evjunior09> Cheap./
[12:43] <vers> dell
[12:43] <evjunior09> Dell's cheapest is 800.00
[12:43] <vers> can acnyone help
[12:43] <vers> ??
[12:43] <evjunior09> Im not paying 800.00 so they can install kubuntu when i can do it for fee
[12:43] <damaltor> vers
[12:43] <evjunior09> Vers: help on what?
[12:43] <mrksbrd> evjunior09, u live in us??
[12:43] <vers> your paying 800 for the machine
[12:43] <elite101> enableing Multi-universe
[12:43] <evjunior09> mrksbrd: yes
[12:43] <damaltor> open the fuile /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:43] <Karti> evjunior09: Dell has started a new range and the laptop I looked at was ?300
[12:43] <evjunior09> Michigan actully.
[12:43] <vers> enabling universe
[12:43] <mrksbrd> tigerdirect.com
[12:43] <damaltor> and uncomment the multiverse lines
[12:43] <elite101> ^^^^
[12:44] <evjunior09> Karti: where did you see this?
[12:44] <elite101> laptop 300$???? :\
[12:44] <vers> command not found
[12:44] <vers> lol
[12:44] <elite101> sudo
[12:45] <vers> i dont know what im doing
[12:45] <vers> yeah
[12:45] <elite101> ? its a command
[12:45] <evjunior09> Vers: its going to take a while to get used to.
[12:45] <Karti> evjunior09: just getting the website now
[12:45] <vers> i know
[12:45] <evjunior09> I know how you feel, it took me like 4 months to fully understand how to work it all, and im not computer dumb.
[12:45] <vers> i know sudo and stuff
[12:45] <evjunior09> Karti: Okay thanks
[12:46] <mrksbrd> elite101,  u using adept manager?
[12:46] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:46] <elite101> vers, you dont know what your doing
[12:46] <vers> i do
[12:46] <elite101> sudo kdesu /etc/apt/source.list DURRR
[12:46] <elite101> well then
[12:46] <elite101> did u do that?
[12:46] <vers> command not found
[12:46] <vers> !!
[12:46] <damaltor> sudo kdesu??
[12:46] <elite101> yeah lol it works :)
[12:47] <elite101> sometimes
[12:47] <damaltor> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:47] <elite101> like fstab
[12:47] <knapp> How do I make realplayer 10 play media in firefox instead of mplayer?
[12:47] <elite101> yeah and kate after
[12:47] <damaltor> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:47] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:47] <elite101> sudo kdesu kate yadda yadda yadda ;)
[12:47] <Karti> evjunior09: managed to find US version - http://www.dell.com/content/products/results.aspx/vostronb?~ck=anav&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&a=12~0~33&navla=12~0~33
[12:47] <vers> well.....i guess...i dont know
[12:48] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[12:48] <vers> thanks everyone
[12:48] <mrksbrd> knapp, not sure you can, u may have to d/l the file & open it w/realplayer
[12:48] <knapp> hmmm
[12:48] <tekstacy> Is there a good replacement for Real-player?
[12:49] <mrksbrd> only plugins I have come across so far that work in firefox are the default mplayer ones
[12:49] <knapp> I need to get mplayer working again then.
[12:49] <evjunior09> tekstacy: Amarok
[12:49] <elite101> tekstacy, VLC?
[12:49] <elite101> yeah
[12:49] <elite101> realplayer sucks
[12:49] <evjunior09> Yes it does/
[12:49] <vers> its was b/c symantec was open i think
[12:49] <elite101> it always has problems
[12:49] <knapp> I'm trying to listen to NPR.com.  I click listen, then it goes to buffereing 0%, then it says stop.
[12:49] <tekstacy> elite vlc?
[12:49] <elite101> why cant the website use a .flv player? or a mpegplayer?
[12:49] <elite101> nvm
[12:49] <elite101> dont use that
[12:49] <elite101> its not a plugin*
[12:50] <elite101> its a Mediaplayer very good one but it wont help you on a website that requiers Realplayer
[12:51] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:51] <mrksbrd> knapp, let me check
[12:51] <tekstacy> Um, another question, is it possible to survive as a pc technician without having M$ shit on my laptop?
[12:51] <elite101> ;)
[12:51] <tekstacy> :)   Still sort of new to linux
[12:52] <Karti> tekstacy: as a contractor, we can expect about ?10/$20 extra per hour for linux/unix engineers ;)
[12:52] <elite101> woot!
[12:52] <Karti> lol
[12:52] <Karti> you in America?
[12:52] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:52] <tekstacy> yup, DE
[12:52] <knapp> Can someone tell me if this works for them: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13966259 ?
[12:52] <elite101> im canadian
[12:52] <knapp> or anything on NPR
[12:53] <evjunior09> Elite101: i love Canada
[12:53] <elite101> :)
[12:53] <elite101> and i hate uu too
[12:53] <elite101> lol JK
[12:53] <Karti> I will give you a website that will gve you an idea, just translate the ? to $
[12:53] <elite101> man if i could make money learing i would make billions lol Jk
[12:54] <tekstacy> knapp, it didn't work for me
[12:54] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[12:54] <tekstacy> Is it possible to make Windows drivers work under kubuntu
[12:54] <Arwen> no
[12:55] <Arwen> unless they're print or network
[12:55] <elite101> lol
[12:55] <Karti> tekstacy: Have a look here, it gives yo a vast amount of data. Just look up linux - http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/
[12:56] <mrksbrd> tekstacy, some do, u can try ndiswrapper
[12:56] <tekstacy> Karti, hey thankat's cools, th
[12:56] <tekstacy> crap, er "Thanks, that's cool"....  time to trim nails....
[12:57] <mrksbrd> knapp, i just tried npr.com & i was able to listen
[12:57] <tekstacy> mrksbrd, I used that to make my wireless work in my last laptop, but it was sort of a pia
[12:58] <mrksbrd> tekstacy, where in de do u live?
[12:58] <tekstacy> Delaware USA
[12:58] <mrksbrd> where though?
[12:58] <tekstacy> NewCastle
[12:58] <mrksbrd> just curious cause i work in new castle
[12:58] <knapp> man!!!
[12:58] <knapp> :/
[12:58] <tekstacy> cool!
[12:58] <mrksbrd> lol...thats funny
[12:59] <Dannilion> I live near a Newcastle
[12:59] <mrksbrd> what r u trying to do stacy??
[12:59] <Karti> Ehhec...... I went to school in Newcastle.......but the Geordie, North of England one  ;)
[12:59] <Dannilion> that be the one I live near
[01:00] <tekstacy> Thinkin of working around there next year. Like pc tech I guess, not reall sure yet
[01:01] <tekstacy> plenty of yuppies there to live off of
[01:01] <mrksbrd> tekstacy, northern new castle maybe
[01:02] <damaltor> kann mir evtl jemand mit den nvidia-treibern unter etch helfen /// hello, is there anybody who can help me with nvidia drivers un kubuntu etch?
[01:02] <tekstacy> Technically, I live in Bear, but I figure I'll end up spending alot of time in Newark and Wilmington
[01:02] <mrksbrd> better go up to hockessin if u want yuppies
[01:03] <tekstacy> ugh!
[01:03] <mrksbrd> lol
[01:03] <mrksbrd> u off of rte 40?
[01:03] <evjunior09> So okay im not quite understanding this. Linux is so much better than Mac, and Windows. and its free, so why dont school's use it?
[01:03] <evjunior09> like it dosent make sence to watse money on Window's
[01:03] <tekstacy> yeah, right where 40 and 1 meet
[01:03] <sea4ever> Hi All!
[01:04] <tekstacy> Hi sea
[01:04] <Karti> evjunior09: Because when Kids go home, they tend to have WIndows on their systems
[01:04] <tekstacy> evjunior, give it time
[01:05] <Karti> ALthough in Italy, a school went Linux and gave out 20,000 free Live CDs so they could have the same systems at home
[01:05] <evjunior09> Karti: See thats how it should be here
[01:05] <Dirrtys> Admiral_Chicago is here?
[01:05] <Karti> I agree, desktops are in good conditions with Novel and Redhat
[01:06] <tekstacy> Somewhere on the ubuntu site is a list of major school and govt systems that run linux
[01:06] <Karti> Especially at Enterprise level
[01:06] <evjunior09> Whats the difference between Redhat and Kubuntu?
[01:07] <mrksbrd> redhat is more business oriented....kububtu is more user friendly
[01:07] <tekstacy> different distrobutions, different flavors.
[01:07] <sea4ever> one begins with R the other with a K
[01:07] <Karti> That is a long story.....different distrributions, but Red Hat you pay for support
[01:07] <mrksbrd> kubuntu = more for the newbie!!!
[01:07] <evjunior09> oh okay i see. I have Kubuntu. :)
[01:07] <tekstacy> damn my spelling sucks tonight
[01:07] <evjunior09> tekstacy: its okay. :))
[01:08] <Karti> I moved to Kubuntu about 4 months ago and I love it. The community support is excellent
[01:08] <tekstacy> Brand new laoptop, fresh install. Any suggestions for "must haves"?
[01:09] <Karti> Depends what you want to do with it
[01:09] <evjunior09> Karti: yeah i love it too.
[01:09] <evjunior09> Man i want a laptop, so i can install Kubuntu on it. I want freedom from my Desktop.
[01:09] <evjunior09> Not that im on alot, but its nice to be away from this room.
[01:10] <Karti> evjunior09: Buy one?
[01:10] <tekstacy> I do a little bit of everything with it. Mostly entertain myself
[01:10] <evjunior09> Karti: well i dont exactly have the money to go out and buy one, and i dont want one with an OS because if i buy one from Dell, they'll charge me extra for the installation of Linux
[01:10] <tekstacy> evjunior Asus is coming out with some new inexpensive linux-based laptops
[01:10] <evjunior09> now i know it dosent say they do, but i can pretty much guarintee you they do.
[01:10] <tekstacy> One starts around $200
[01:12] <Karti> tekstacy: I normally have th efollowing on a basic install - KPlato, for Project Management, Quanta+ and NVU for website design, Gimp, Xara X, Scribus and Inkscape for graphics
[01:12] <evjunior09> Tekstacy: where at?
[01:12] <Karti> evjunior09: Go ebay and get a second hand one
[01:13] <evjunior09> Karti: Good idea. ha i didnt even think of Ebay
[01:13] <Karti> evjunior09: http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Laptops-Notebooks_W0QQfromZR4QQsacatZ51148QQsocmdZListingItemListQQssPageNameZdcpComputersTextFeat
[01:14] <evjunior09> Karti: thanks!
[01:14] <tekstacy> Karti, thanks, I'll check them out
[01:14] <tekstacy> evj, now, kent island, MD
[01:15] <Karti> evjunior09: That way you could learn to do the install and perfect the driver issues yo might come across
[01:15] <tekstacy> evj, you can ebay new ones too pretty cheap and still get a warenty
[01:15] <Karti> tekstacy: no probs, though I also use Crossover for some apps
[01:16] <tekstacy> what is Crossover?
[01:16] <Karti> tekstacy: allows you to use windows applications in Linux
[01:16] <tekstacy> And is there anything like VirtualPC?
[01:16] <tekstacy> oic   :
[01:16] <evjunior09> does Crossover work?
[01:16] <Karti> You can use Virtual Box or Xen
[01:16] <evjunior09> Ive tried WINE and that sucks.
[01:17] <helloyo> i need to format my whole harddrive, is there an easy way to do this without downloading a new boot CD?
[01:17] <Karti> evjunior09: I use it without issues (generally)
[01:17] <evjunior09> so would AIM (AOL instant messanger) work?
[01:18] <evjunior09> !crossover
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crossover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <Kr4t05|Lappy> :3
[01:18] <Karti> If you visit the website it should tell you, however I believe that you can use AIM on linux anyway through one of the free versions
[01:18] <evjunior09> I couldnt get it to install. Unless you could help me.
[01:18] <evjunior09> Ive tried so many times.
[01:19] <evjunior09> and i dont like Giam, or Kopete.
[01:19] <helloyo> is there a way to format the partition that i'm using?
[01:19] <Karti> evjunior09: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/
[01:19] <tekstacy> is there something like crossover only free?   :)
[01:19] <Karti> tekstacy: Yes its called Wine
[01:19] <evjunior09> Oh wait, Crossover isnt free?
[01:19] <evjunior09> Tekstacy: WINE isnt very good.
[01:19] <tekstacy> Damn, that didn't work for the app I needed
[01:20] <Karti> its about $30 and they give you support for a time, its also a full trial for 30 days
[01:20] <sanzanric> is it possible to create a new /home automatically move all my data there, with no space left on the hard drive?
[01:20] <helloyo> sanzanric: if i understand you properly, nope
[01:20] <evjunior09> Anyone wanna help me install AIM?
[01:20] <tekstacy> ok, I may break down and *gasp* buy software
[01:20] <helloyo> evjunior09: i doubt anyone would want to do that, but someone might
[01:20] <Karti> Wine is teh free version so to speak
[01:21] <evjunior09> Karti: Which version do i download? I have Kubuntu Fiesty.
[01:21] <evjunior09> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp
[01:22] <tekstacy> evjunoir, just install gaim, it works with aim, plus more, and is in the repository
[01:22] <helloyo> evjunior09: you'd get the debian 3+ version, but that looks atrocious
[01:22] <evjunior09> Atrocious?
[01:22] <tekstacy> bad
[01:22] <tekstacy> :)
[01:23] <evjunior09> oh.
[01:23] <Karti> try the Debian 3 + or the targz
[01:23] <helloyo> evjunior09: why would you want to use that over gaim or kopete?
[01:23] <evjunior09> i dont like both of them
[01:23] <tekstacy> off for smoke break, bbl
[01:23] <Karti> I agree with helloyo, gaim and kopete are fine
[01:24] <Karti> tekstacy: byeeeeeeeee
[01:24] <helloyo> evjunior09: and you like that? its not going to be like aim on windows, that looks very limited
[01:24] <tekstacy> um, nvrmnd, that's why I spent all that money on  a PORTABLE computer    :)
[01:25] <helloyo> can i use the ubuntu cd to wipe my harddrive without installing or partitioning?
[01:25] <evjunior09> Karti: how come it says not found?
[01:25] <Karti> helloyo: CAn't you just get a boot floopy?
[01:25] <evjunior09> sudo: /home/mike/Desktop/aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb: command not found
[01:26] <Karti> or floppy even
[01:26] <Karti> evjunior09: have you downloaded it?
[01:26] <tekstacy> Will Crossover run WoW?
[01:26] <evjunior09> Karti: yes.
[01:26] <sanzanric> wine should be able to run wow
[01:26] <helloyo> Karti: i don't have a floppy drive attached, maybe the ubuntu live environment has a partitioner...
[01:26] <evjunior09> whats wow?
[01:27] <tekstacy> World of Warcraft, my friends keep trying to suck me in
[01:27] <evjunior09> ...oh...
[01:27] <evjunior09> ew.
[01:27] <evjunior09> *No effence*
[01:27] <tekstacy> :)
[01:28] <Karti> tekstacy: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/group/?app_parent=2632;
[01:28] <tekstacy> I know, I watch them staring into the computer for hours on end engaged in pointless....    shit, wait a minute....
[01:29] <Karti> helloyo: I use two cds one is Hirons and the other is the Ultimate Boot CD. They have all the tools to do the work you require, as I am not sure if you can do it from the command line. However, you could always try from the CL to format it
[01:30] <helloyo> Karti: thanks, i'll have a look into them
[01:30] <tekstacy> Will I really NEED to learn CLI for linux?
[01:31] <Dirrtys> Karti what can NVU do that Quanta can't ...I have never used it?
[01:31] <Kr4t05|Lappy> tekstacy: Not always. There are some simple tools that come in handy. But, most normal use can be done with GUI apps.
[01:31] <Karti> helloyo: the Ultimate CD is legal the Hiron one has some pirate software, but Ultimate (last time I looked) has all the manufacturors Hard Drive toolss for low level or normal format etc
[01:32] <helloyo> Karti: great, i'll get it
[01:32] <Karti> helloyo: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[01:32] <tekstacy> But it would be helpful?
[01:32] <helloyo> Karti: cheers
[01:33] <Karti> tekstacy: I like the CL, I find it faster and it gets me familiar with the system. I can generally use the CL using instructions for Ubuntu and Kubuntu or even other similar distros, without having the GUIs installed
[01:34] <tekstacy> I guess I will have to learn it eventually.
[01:34] <Karti> start early - learn easy
[01:34] <tekstacy> Hey, which is better to have LPIC1 or Linux+?
[01:35] <blober> HELP: in starting istanbul (for recording my desktop), i failes to start and complains about it not having a "gconf" python module, anyone has a tip o that i can resolve this, i _supose_ it is gstreamer stuff, and installed the apt packs gstreamer-editor and gstreamer-tools, i am running Kubuntu 6.10
[01:35] <Karti> tekstacy: when I left the army all people talked about was certification, but if you have the skills and can prove it, there is more chance of getting the job!
[01:36] <sea_4_ever> Hm, does anyone know why the Kppp Daemon thing suddenly closes? Not that it really affects anything much.
[01:36] <Karti> well mine is different to yours......but 24 years later....lol
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> tekstacy: don't, I got out of the Navy about a year ago...trust me
[01:37] <tekstacy> different group of ppl shooting at you I guess
[01:38] <elite101> what would you guys do? Buy vista for a couple hundred Or Get linux with Vista-theme and not pay or get virus's?
[01:38] <Karti> Its definatly more dangerous than the old days....ahh the Cold War...looks back fondly at getting Drunk in Denmark ;)
[01:38] <tekstacy> ....looks forward to getting drunk in Tehrain
[01:38] <Karti> elite101: Linux wins
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> elite101: how about making linux look like linux, and just dump the vista thing altogether :)
[01:39] <elite101> :) thought so
[01:39] <Karti> elite101: especially as the Vista learning curve is harder than a Linux desktop (imho)
[01:39] <tekstacy> elite, this machine came with Vista, I put the Kubuntu disk in for it's very first power on
[01:39] <elite101> wich would load better they complain in windows channel lol VIsta with a 9x theme or the Aero theme? what would be faster to load?
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> tekstacy: see if you can get a refund :P
[01:40] <elite101> ^^
[01:40] <elite101> lol
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> tekstacy: for vista
[01:40] <keko_> hi
[01:40] <keko_> :)
[01:40] <tekstacy> Couldn't, and couldn't get it without vista, but it was a good deal so I just trashed vista
[01:40] <Karti> elite101: Aero wI would assume take longer as its power intensive, and I believe only available in th ehigher priced editiosn
[01:41] <tekstacy> XP Pro came in the mail today, but after 24 hours of kubuntu, everything works smooth and easy, I may re-sell XP
[01:41] <Dirrtys> tekstacy  dual boot is the way to go
[01:42] <tekstacy> Tried that before, but found I was really only using one of the 2
[01:42] <hitmanWilly> Dirrtys: i used to do that, now i've found i really have no need for win at all
[01:42] <Dirrtys> I use photoshop a lot
[01:43] <tekstacy> I would make a virtual XP Pro box if it is possible
[01:43] <Karti> hitmanWilly: I still need certain apps but when I found my Xara was ported across for free (and works well) put another nail in the coffin!
[01:44] <snarf> heh
[01:44] <Dirrtys> why not dual boot disk space is cheap now days
[01:44] <mrksbrd> lmao
[01:44] <tekstacy> that's what it's worth,    but I could get about 160 on ebay
[01:44] <tekstacy> Dirtys, only have 120gb
[01:45] <mrksbrd> only????
[01:45] <Dirrtys> Ooo I have 1200 gig
[01:45] <Dirrtys> LOL
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> tekstacy: you can get a 500 gb hd for dirt cheap these days
[01:45] <Dirrtys> cheap
[01:45] <mrksbrd> :(
[01:45] <Karti> tekstacy: could always try virtualBox
[01:45] <tekstacy> but will it fit in this laptop?
[01:46] <hitmanWilly> tekstacy: oh, lol, well, there's always external lol
[01:46] <tekstacy> company here, bye all. Thanks for the help
[01:48] <sea_4_ever> What happened there??
[01:49] <Karti> evjunior09: good luck, and see you all later
[01:51] <blober> ok, i solved it due to my new glasses. in Kubuntu6.10's apt package Istambul, the package is missing its dependancy "python-gnome2" an doesnt run claiming a missing gconf python module, which is true. In stalling that module, all runs well. Where shoul I repport this???
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> !bugreport
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugreport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> !bug
[01:52] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:52] <blober> is that cosidered a bug???
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> blober: bug in apt, i'd say
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> blober: or in the pkg database
[01:53] <blober> ok, i am repporting it as a "apt or pkg database" bug, is that correct?
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> blober: i'd call it a bug in the actual packaging of that pkg, but yeah, that should work fine
[01:54] <blober> thanks
[01:55] <Dirrtys> I use http://www.fs-driver.org/ in widoz to access linux file system...does anyone else?
[01:55] <blober> is any software mal function is considered a bug?
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> blober: either that or pebkac
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> :)
[01:56] <Dirrtys> works gr8 for me...makes dual boot a little easier
[01:57] <blober> PEBKAC is the acronymfor "Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair". That a bug than, ok... :-/
[01:57] <blober> fuzzy
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> blober: sorry, shorthand for "user error"
[01:58] <blober> i see than, i mean: a user error is a bug or a dumm?
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> blober: a bug is when software doesn't act right, pebkac is when a user doesn't :)
[01:59] <blober> oh, ok, making sense now :-)
[02:01] <blober> hey, it is anoying to have to register to report a bug!!!
[02:01] <blober> brrrrrr
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> blober: its to keep the spam down
[02:02] <blober> btw, thanks hitmanWilly for clarifying those thhing for me, i really didnt know
[02:02] <blober> ow, i see
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> blober: if anonymous bug reporting was alowed, how long do you think it'd take the windows or mac fanboys to start spamming it
[02:03] <blober> dont know. we could have both than
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> bug #34766: linux sux!! windows pwns!!  lol
[02:04] <elpez> i think i have a broken tar on adept... i keep getting an error that says "broken pipe"... please help me out
[02:04] <elpez> i tried to install wine and my net connection failed
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> elpez: can you pastebin the whole output?
[02:04] <elpez> its spanish
[02:04] <elpez> but ok
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> oh, nm then
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> can't read a word :)
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> sorry
[02:05] <elpez> wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
[02:05] <elpez> k
[02:05] <blober> i can read it
[02:05] <elpez> (Leyendo la base de datos ...
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> there ya go then
[02:05] <elpez> 128307 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.)
[02:05] <elpez> Desempaquetando wine (de .../wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> !pastebin | elpez
[02:05] <ubotu> elpez: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:05] <elpez> dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):
[02:05] <elpez>  sistema de ficheros del archivo tar daado - archivo de paquete daado
[02:05] <elpez> dpkg-deb: el subproceso paste fue terminado por la seal (Tubera rota)
[02:06] <elpez> Se encontraron errores al procesar:
[02:06] <elpez>  /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.9.36-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
[02:06] <blober> no elpez, dont be mean
[02:08] <blober> ok, pastebin is a way to paste that kind off suff withou overflowing irc conversations, please use it
[02:08] <blober> elpez: i like to use this one http://paste.milk-it.net/
[02:09] <NickPresta> whew! writing in C++ always gets me excited.
[02:09] <blober> elpez: now, back to your apt problem. what happens if you try to install any other little package?
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> NickPresta.excitement(TRUE);...:)
[02:10] <blober> uahauauha
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> and that's about the limit of my C++
[02:10] <blober> i prefer python
[02:10] <blober> import excitemnt as relaxed
[02:10] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, indeed. I just wrote a small script that searches a text file for a given term. Quite a complex problem for something so "simple". I'll save the rest of the story for #off-topic heh
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> im more of a bash man :P
[02:13] <elpez> http://pastebin.com/m174867fb
[02:14] <elpez> sorry.. my web connection sometimes vanishes
[02:16] <digitalia> finally de graph card is setted ^^
[02:16] <digitalia> the*
[02:17] <digitalia> now I want to take a screen shot running compiz BUT I cant find the Button1 shortcut, someone know wich one iis?
[02:17] <level1> hi, how can I find out if sound is coming in through my microphone?
[02:17] <level1> is there a program?
[02:18] <blober> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/istanbul/+bug/77440
[02:18] <blober> can anyone check if that is correctly reported?
[02:18] <blober> please
[02:21] <blober> level1: go to synaptic or adept an find a recorder and try that
[02:21] <level1> hmmm... It doesn't seem to be working... I got krec
[02:21] <blober> hum
[02:21] <blober> what sound card do you have?
[02:22] <level1> its embedded in the mother board... asus P5B Plus
[02:22] <hitmanWilly> level1: did you try setting the mixer levels in kmix?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: hey, you want to try something?
[02:22] <level1> hitmanWilly: I'm looking now
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> !hardware
[02:22] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:22] <hitmanWilly> level1: you may have to unmute it
[02:23] <blober> hitmanWilly: does it start muted some times as default?
[02:23] <hitmanWilly> yes
[02:24] <level1> hitmanWilly: I think I unmuted everything, but krec still isn't getting anything
[02:24] <blober> |o|, does that have a reason?
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> it used to be that you had to manually unmute everything initially
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> via alsamixer
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> the more user friendly distros are starting to get rid of that
[02:25] <blober> level1: try typing "alsamixer" on a konsole
[02:25] <hitmanWilly> they just run an unmuter script, but sometimes it misses things
[02:25] <level1> blober: yeah, I've done this before... but whats the key to move to the capture tab?
[02:25] <blober> hitmanWilly: i really see no use for staring muted as default...
[02:26] <blober> left-right arrows
[02:26] <hitmanWilly> level1: man alsamixer :)
[02:26] <blober> and up-down to change "amplification"
[02:27] <level1> hitmanWilly, blober: as far as I can tell, I've unmuted everything
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, weird...
[02:28] <blober> no recording still, shure?
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> ok, stupid question, is the mic plugged into the right port?
[02:28] <level1> hitmanWilly: I'm pretty sure it is... let me double check
[02:28] <thedrs> hi all, update manager is giving me problems - does any one have a link to a doc that explains how it works ?
[02:28] <blober> is the drive/sound card chosen in krec correct?
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> !update
[02:29] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: are you trying to update the system or do a full upgrade?
[02:29] <thedrs> update manager - always says i need to update a package to the same version of the package :(
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: do you have third party repos?
[02:30] <level1> blober: I can't find a configuration for that
[02:30] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: should i check the synaptic package manager ?
[02:31] <prak> !piklab
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about piklab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <thedrs> (for third party)
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: ok, try this in a konsole: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then pastebin the output of that please
[02:31] <prak> clear
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> !pastebin | thedrs
[02:32] <ubotu> thedrs: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:32] <blober> level1: ok, i would hve to install it to help you, i am have a work to present tomorrow... sorry,
[02:33] <blober> level1: try #linux-audio-users irc channel ;-)
[02:33] <blober> they are very likelly to help you out typing with the nose
[02:35] <blober> sorry
[02:35] <blober> level1: the channel is #lad
[02:38] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35865/
[02:39] <thedrs> htmanWilly: it told me to restart the computer - should i do it now and come back in the chat room after that ?
[02:40] <krowe> !konversation
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: it seems the upgrade worked this time, and you can if you wish
[02:41] <krowe> !kopete
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: ok thanks, i will brb
[02:41] <krowe> !help
[02:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> !info konversation
[02:42] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 5038 kB, installed size 12996 kB
[02:43] <prak> is there anyone here who is familiar with piklab?
[02:43] <krowe> thanks
[02:43] <krowe> !info piklab
[02:43] <ubotu> Package piklab does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:44] <prak> !info piklab
[02:44] <prak> krowe: i used to be able to get it from adept
[02:44] <prak> now i'm downloading it from sourceforge
[02:45] <krowe> idk anything about it I'm trying to figure out irc again it has been awhile since i used it
[02:45] <prak> ok
[02:46] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: :( still same problem
[02:46] <hitmanWilly> heh, apparently the tenth anniversary of princess di's death is more important than a car bomb by the navy's nuclear training school
[02:46] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: the package is compiz-core
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: did you apt-key add the gpg key for that repo?
[02:48] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: i read the man page on the two commands that you told me to run, but i don't know what the apt-key add means
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: you know how it said that compiz-core couldn't be verified? that's probably because the gpg key for it isn't properly installed
[02:49] <ubuntu__> hello
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> hello
[02:49] <ubuntu__> speak spanish
[02:49] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: ok, (i am reading man on apt-key now) ... so can i reset that package's key ?
[02:50] <ubuntu__> mmm
[02:50] <ubuntu__> ??????????''
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: not really familiar with compiz, but you'll probably have to download the key for the repo and apt-key add it
[02:50] <ubuntu__> help
[02:51] <ubuntu__> with virtual box
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> !es | ubuntu__
[02:51] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:51] <ubuntu__> tanks
[02:52] <alejandro_> howto quit join/part messages on konversation?
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> alejandro_: /join <channel name> or /part
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> settings->configure->chat window
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> oh, misread that, heh
[02:54] <prak> is there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?
[02:54] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: i did apt-key list - but the format is not that clear - i can't see which key belongs to the compiz-core package
[02:55] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: i tried to apt-key update too but it didn't change a thing, do you know how i can match a package to it's key ?
[02:55] <sea> O_o this synaptic thing is cool.
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: not off the top of my head
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> you could manually downlaod the gpg key, then apt-key add the file
[02:56] <krowe> synaptic is ok but I think adept is even better
[02:56] <krowe> adept is the package manager in kubuntu
[02:57] <thedrs> hitmanWilly: do you know from where i can download gpg keys ? is there a repository of keys for all packages ?
[02:57] <krowe> thedrs: the point of a key is so that you can identify 3rd party servers
[02:57] <Artimus> ...  I just learned that the little Adept Updater/Notifer is *NOT* Adept itself.  Wow...
[02:58] <Artimus> Nor is that little "Add Remove Programs" Widget all of it...
[02:58] <krowe>  thedrs: by definition they are servers unknown to apt
[02:58] <sea> Artimus, I only had Kubuntu for 1 week and I noticed that before you. lol.
[02:58] <albertmk> just received 3 cds from Ubuntu!!!    \0/
[02:59] <Artimus> sea: I've been using Kubuntu for a few months now.  I use the command line mostly.  I saw the little taskbar and Add Remove Programs apps and said "no way, hides too much information".  I had the hunch to just now check it out under the System submenu...
[02:59] <thedrs> krowe: ok, then i will try to look for the compiz site and look for a gpg key there
[02:59] <Artimus> That'll do
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> try what?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: hey... wattmeter?
[03:00] <sea> Does the ubuntu Chess game have a weakness? I got beat in 12 moves on normal. D:
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> sea: lol
[03:01] <Artimus> sea: Linux chess games will consistently kick the crap out of me.
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: you're running kubuntu right?
[03:02] <sea> I don't know why they madeit so hard to beat, or why it only comes with Ubuntu, while Kubuntu gets wtuck with a few Fortunes...
[03:02] <Mr_Sonoma> sea, if you find a weakness let me know
[03:03] <Mr_Sonoma> sea, you can install programs from any suite just because you are running KDE (KUBUNTU) doesnt mean you have to stick with KDE programs.
[03:03] <Artimus> sea: All chess games are made to be as unbeatable as possible.  They're more of an exercise in "my chess algorithm is awesome!" than "lets play a fun game"
[03:05] <sea> hm. I know some C, maybe I hsould make a chess game.
[03:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu on here
[03:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> kubuntu on the desktop
[03:06] <Artimus> sea: How much do you know about Chess?
[03:06] <sea> Hmm...what takes up the most RAM, I need to free some to play this game I just finished setting up.
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: oh.. NM... I wrote a wattmeter hack for guidance-power-manager
[03:06] <prak> is there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:07] <sea> Artimus : I really fail at chess, but I remain unbeatable at checkers, I played about 300 checkers games so far.
[03:07] <Mr_Sonoma> sea, you want to know what DE takes the least ram??
[03:07] <Artimus> sea: Coding the games isn't that hard, it's writing the algorithms and "AI".
[03:07] <sea> no, I want to know how to free some up...
[03:08] <sea> maybe disable a few of these fancy animations.
[03:09] <Mr_Sonoma> that would be a start
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: curious... why aren't you using kubuntu on the lappy?
[03:11] <Arwen> man, KDE's wallpaper options, if only GNOME had them...
[03:11] <Arwen> hacking together images is so boring
[03:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> i like having both so i can answer questions on either end
[03:12] <Arwen> whee, time to try out KDE
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: ah... good idea
[03:14] <ScarFreewill> !info pyqt
[03:14] <ubotu> Package pyqt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:14] <ScarFreewill> !info pyqt3
[03:14] <ubotu> Package pyqt3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:15] <Mr_Sonoma> Daisuke-Ido, i have KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox, icewm, and Beryl all loaded on this machine.
[03:15] <ScarFreewill> !pyqt
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pyqt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <Mr_Sonoma> for the same reasons
[03:15] <thedrs> hitmanWilly & krowe: I just checked it out in #ubuntu-effects and they told me its a known bug in the package subsystem of apt in feisty and it's fixed in gusty. just FYI
[03:15] <ScarFreewill> what is the pyqt package name?
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> thedrs: ok, seemed a little weird
[03:16] <thedrs> too bad no one added it to any faq ... it seems i am not the only one that had it
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> !into pyqt
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about into pyqt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> !info python-qt
[03:16] <ubotu> Package python-qt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> !info python-qt3
[03:16] <ubotu> python-qt3: Qt3 bindings for Python. In component main, is optional. Version 3.17-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 4806 kB, installed size 21492 kB
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> AH!!
[03:16] <ScarFreewill> ah thanks nosrednaekim
[03:17] <hydrogen> !package git-core
[03:17] <hydrogen> !info git-core
[03:17] <ubotu> git-core: content addressable filesystem. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.4.4.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 2295 kB, installed size 5128 kB
[03:17] <hydrogen> !info git-core gutsy
[03:17] <ubotu> git-core: fast, scalable, distributed revision control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2.4-1build1 (gutsy), package size 3543 kB, installed size 7444 kB
[03:17] <hydrogen> grr
[03:17] <hydrogen> i need 1.5.3
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> compile.
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:18] <sea> I WON! I BEAT IT!
[03:19] <hydrogen> !info libc gutsy
[03:19] <ubotu> Package libc does not exist in gutsy
[03:19] <hydrogen> !info libc6 gutsy
[03:19] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.6.1-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 4084 kB, installed size 10112 kB
[03:19] <hydrogen> hrm
[03:19] <Mr_Sonoma> !info gusty
[03:19] <ubotu> Package gusty does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:19] <Mr_Sonoma> !info gutsy
[03:19] <ubotu> Package gutsy does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:19] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[03:20] <thedrs> krowe: ok i will try
[03:20] <bryan> Since I did the new updates from Kubutu my system acts wierd
[03:21] <bryan> Mostly video type
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> video type?
[03:23] <prak> is there anyone who knows how to add the non-free package lists?
[03:23] <bryan> I now get a short black screen pop up and also if  is see videos like in youtube the web pages get frozen
[03:24] <bryan> Card is a nvidia 7900 gt
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | prak
[03:24] <ubotu> prak: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:24] <winbond> why do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[03:26] <bryan> what does  !repositories | prak mean
[03:29] <winbond> what is the ipconfig in linux?
[03:30] <Kr4t05> winbond, ifconfig
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> winbond: ifconfig
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> lol
[03:30] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly, JINX!
[03:31] <Kr4t05> Guh... Does anyone know of a good driver that supports the NeoMagic brand of graphics chipsets?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> bryan: it means for ubotu to send a message to prak about that topic
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> bryan: could be flash probelm
[03:32] <winbond> thanks,
[03:32] <winbond> why do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[03:32] <flaccid> winbond: did you ask in #freenode-social . we can't help you here on that..
[03:32] <Kr4t05> winbond, What kind of client are you using?
[03:33] <coreymon77> umm
[03:33] <coreymon77> doesnt freenode-social not exist anymore?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> bryan: could it be a flash problem?
[03:33] <flaccid> oh what is the freenode help chan
[03:33] <goban_> on compiz fusion but no cube AND no window decorator :(
[03:33] <bryan> how to you fix flash problem
[03:33] <winbond> which port does irc use?
[03:33] <bryan> but it never did it before
[03:34] <Kr4t05> winbond, Usually 6667
[03:34] <flaccid> winbond: ask in #defocus and try google
[03:35] <jcolvin> how do i install a deb file?
[03:35] <flaccid> jcolvin: sudo dpkg -i packge.deb
[03:35] <darlok> So I am trying to use wget to recursively download files from a website, but I can't figure out how to specify WHICH files I want downloaded.  Right now it is just downloading the entire website.  Anyone able to help?  I RTFM but can't find mention of it there.
[03:37] <mathieu__> !mp3 amarok
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3 amarok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <mathieu__> !mp3
[03:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <flaccid> darlok: try ##linux or #bash . man wget details all the options plus there are howtos on google. nothing from stopping you doing wget http://site.com/file1.html && wget http://site.com/file2.html
[03:37] <jcolvin> flaccid: it said no such file. I just downloaded it. Does it have to be in a certain folder?
[03:37] <flaccid> jcolvin: you have to specify the path to the package
[03:38] <darlok> flaccid: There are hundreds of .txt and .pdf files I'm trying to download at once... wouldn't make sense to type out each filename ;)
[03:38] <flaccid> no path means present working directory or path which is pretty much the same as ./file. so change to the directory where you downloaded it or specifiy it explicitly like dpkg -i /path/to/my/downoad.deb
[03:39] <flaccid> darlok: the man page details how to do downloads matching patterns
[03:39] <jcolvin> oh i see
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> jcolvin: replace "packge.deb" with the name of your deb
[03:39] <darlok> flaccid: I read the man page... but didn't see any mention of how to download ONLY certain files.  Well, it gave an example of downloading all the .GIF files, but it still downloaded everything.
[03:40] <flaccid> maybe you didn't do the syntax correctly
[03:41] <flaccid> darlok: did you google a tutorial/howto
[03:41] <flaccid> i dont remember the switches off my head
[03:41] <jcolvin> flaccid: didn't work
[03:42] <flaccid> jcolvin: ah well.
[03:42] <flaccid> im going to get ciggies for spin
[03:42] <darlok> flaccid: They were able to help me out in #wget actually.  But thank you :)
[03:43] <flaccid> darlok: how do you do it then
[03:43] <CPrompt^> what are you trying to do flaccid?
[03:44] <winbond> which port does irc use?
[03:44] <winbond> why do i get disconnected every time i get [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[03:44] <flaccid> CPrompt^: nothing
[03:44] <winbond> what u think is the best torrent client on linux?
[03:44] <_2> winbond 6667 by default
[03:45] <flaccid> winbond: don't repeat your question. we can't help you here. mirc usually uses 6667-7000 its purely up to the irc server
[03:45] <CPrompt^> flaccid : ah.  just got the last bit.  thought something was going on.  LOL
[03:46] <_2> winbond the version request is when you connect.   that's the way it's setup   they /ver everyone that joins
[03:47] <CPrompt^> winbond : you should be able to turn that off.  check the faq from freenode though http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[03:48] <_2> -:- SignOff winbond: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
 winbond : you should be able to turn that off.  check the faq from
[03:48] <_2>            freenode though http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[03:48] <_2> -:- winbond [n=winbond@c-68-81-29-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net]  has joined #kubuntu
[04:00] <flaccid> dont think you can turn the ctcp version off from freenode, _2
[04:02] <_2> flaccid no that's one thing they use to weed out script attacks.    as i understand it that was the perpose for the /ver every x minutes.   if your system blocks it then you get dropped like a hot potato
[04:03] <flaccid> how do you know that he is even blocking it, considering a timeout would be required?
[04:03] <_2> you can test the theory.   ;/
[04:04] <flaccid> test before assume :)
[04:04] <flaccid> a newbie is not likely to have blocked or spoofed the version reply
[04:05] <_2> i never assumed he was blocking anything.  just know that freenode is setup to /ver * for a required test condition...
[04:05] <flaccid> freenode ctcp versions everyone on connect..
[04:05] <_2> flaccid actually a newbee is more likely to have done that.   just playing with firestarter of guarddog...
[04:06] <flaccid> lets see look at how ctcp version works
[04:08] <flaccid> not likely to have set up a firewall usually. best to ask if a firewall/packet filter is in use
[04:10] <jcolvin> how do you install a bin?
[04:10] <krowe> ./filename.bin
[04:10] <krowe> just run it
[04:10] <jcolvin> what do you mean just run it
[04:10] <jcolvin> open up Konsole?
[04:10] <brian__> When you request a program removal in Linux, does it uninstall cleanly or are there traces leftover like Windows?
[04:10] <krowe> if it isn't already exec then type chmod +x filename.bin first
[04:11] <krowe> @brian it is clean
[04:11] <Jucato> brian__: the only traces it leaves behind are small config (text) files
[04:11] <Jucato> in the system directory. not like in Windows.. :/
[04:11] <darlok> I'm trying to use wget to download a couple hundred .pdf files from a website.  The website requires that I login, but although I use the http-user and http-password flags in wget, it will not enter the password protected areas.  Does anyone know how I can fix this?  RTFM didn't help...
[04:11] <krowe> jucato is right though
[04:11] <flaccid> hmm reading on ctcp now it uses irc privmsgs and notices for replies, so no other port is required than the irc port from what i understand
[04:11] <krowe> but those files don't continue to slow the system down like a large registry will in windows
[04:11] <Jucato> brian__: you also have the option to "purge" when you uninstall programs. this removes the config files in the system directories also
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> darlok: #wget
[04:11] <Jucato> krowe: not to mention eat up disk space
[04:12] <flaccid> darlok: whats the error it returns, http 401 or something else?
[04:12] <darlok> nosrednaekim: I was just there... the only guy there helped what he could then had to leave.
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> oh
[04:12] <darlok> flaccid: No error... it just says it's done.
[04:12] <brian__> Thanks, that's good to know.  I'm a newbie so I'm trying alot of stuff to get a good feel.
[04:13] <flaccid> darlok: i guess #wget is your best bet. i got no idea why it might do that
[04:13] <krowe> @jcolvin sorry for the delay ... yes just type that in a terminal (like konsole for example)
[04:13] <darlok> flaccid: Do I need to use a different login tactic with wget if the website doesn't make me login through the webpage itself?  It pops up a dialog box asking for username and password.
[04:14] <brian__> Hey Jucato, I'm using Adept Manager for everything.  How does "purge" fit into all that?
[04:14] <hydrogen> the url should look like http://user:password@host/subdirectory
[04:14] <hydrogen> iirf
[04:14] <hydrogen> iirc*
[04:14] <flaccid> darlok: the wget support is for http auth which is the dialog box, it wouldnt work for a site that has a login form. need to check if the site uses digest or basic http auth but as far as i knew it suported both
[04:15] <Jucato> brian__: right-click on package -> Purge
[04:15] <darlok> hmm
[04:15] <darlok> ok
[04:15] <hydrogen> back in a second!
[04:15] <brian__> Ok, gotcha
[04:19] <_2> hydrogen i like that ip   :)
[04:19] <hydrogen> me too:)
[04:19] <Bradsnet> I'm using kubuntu for the first time, and having trouble getting my video settings  working... anyone  willing to help?
[04:19] <flaccid> Bradsnet: what vid card do you have
[04:19] <Bradsnet> nvidia 6800 ultra
[04:19] <Bradsnet> Mobile.
[04:19] <flaccid> !nvidia > Bradsnet
[04:20] <flaccid> tried that?
[04:20] <Bradsnet> 1 sec
[04:21] <Arwen> gah, I just switched to KDE and my window decorations are hideous
[04:21] <Arwen> can anyone recommend a different one?
[04:21] <_2> !theme
[04:21] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:22] <brian__> Just curious:  is there a prog better than Gwenview?
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> brian__: for viewing and printing pictures?
[04:23] <Bradsnet> flaccid: What is the kubuntu equiv of the restricted devices manager?
[04:23] <flaccid> Bradsnet: i think you can install it and run it anyway
[04:23] <flaccid> !info restricted-manager
[04:23] <brian__> viewing, organizing, editing, etc...
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> Bradsnet: you have to manually install it.
[04:23] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> Bradsnet: run "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager"
[04:24] <Arwen> um, another quick question about KDE, how do I disable that animation I get when I hover my mouse over the K menu and other tray things?
[04:24] <CPrompt^> brian__ : how far into "Editing" are you talking?  Picassa does a pretty good job of viewing and organizing IMO
[04:24] <brian__> I'm looking for something simular to Directory Opus for the Amiga (remember that!)
[04:24] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: only available for Kubuntu on Gutsy
[04:25] <Bradsnet> Even though the display settings panel has my video card listed, I still need to install the manager, and use it to try to find the right driver?
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: but you CAN get the gnome version
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> Bradsnet: to get it working properly, probably
[04:25] <ses59> wrong channel but did not get answer on thunderbird so will ask when printing email out of tb it prints landscape not portrait I have checked all settings I can find
[04:25] <flaccid> Bradsnet: technically no. but it will enable you to follow the guide
[04:25] <brian__> Does Picassa have a homepage?
[04:26] <Bradsnet> Oh...
[04:26] <BluesKaj> picasa is a google app
[04:27] <ses59> kword and other office print fine so it is just tb
[04:27] <mneptok> unless you're a Picasa user now, i'd stick with digiKam
[04:27] <CPrompt^> brian__ : http://picasa.google.com/
[04:27] <brian__> Thanks, but not what I'm looking for.
[04:28] <CPrompt^> dunno then
[04:28] <BluesKaj> what's the latest on google earth for gutsy 64 bit ?
[04:28] <_2> ses59 tell it to print and when the confirm box/window opens there should be settings there.
[04:28] <mneptok> brian__: you want a photo or file manager?
[04:29] <Bradsnet> Okay, manager installed... can't seem to find it on the applications menu though....
[04:30] <_2> run it from konsole Bradsnet
[04:30] <jcolvin> I'm having trouble with my wireless internet
[04:30] <brian__> Once again, if anybody remembers Directory Opus for the Amiga?  That's exactly the kind of program I searching for.
[04:30] <jcolvin> I was on it a couple of minutes ago but now all the networks i used to see are gone
[04:30] <ses59> not any setting for portrait just margin
[04:31] <mneptok> brian__: tried Midnight Commander?
[04:31] <flaccid> jcolvin: try doing a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && killall knetworkmanager && knetworkmanager &
[04:31] <brian__> Nope, I'll take a look.
[04:31] <_2> ses59 err  i'm a few versions behind here  but there "used" to be.
[04:31] <mneptok> !info mc
[04:31] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[04:31] <ses59> and print range
[04:31] <Bradsnet> Alright, seems to be enabling the driver okay...
[04:31] <mneptok> brian__: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/
[04:31] <_2> !info gentoo
[04:31] <ubotu> gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> gentoo: the tool to do everything you never wanted to do.
[04:32] <jcolvin> flaccid: it didn't work
[04:32] <_2> gentoo is the gui version of mc
[04:32] <flaccid> jcolvin: what was the output
[04:32] <Bradsnet> If I remember right, there is some keyboard shortcut to restart x, no? What is it?
[04:32] <_2> give or take
[04:32] <mneptok> Bradsnet: ctl-alt-bkspc
[04:33] <ses59> have tb 1.5.0.13 seems to be more after I upgraded that this problem has started do not remember it before but did not print much then
[04:33] <jcolvin> flaccid: was i supposed to run it in Konsole?
[04:33] <flaccid> jcolvin: yes
[04:33] <Bradsnet> Hmm, well that didn't seem to work.
[04:34] <Bradsnet> It really really wants me to reboot. So thanks for your help and if it didn't work I suppose I'll be back. :)
[04:34] <_2> ses59 if no one else in here pipes up,  ask in #ubuntu  you might get lucky
[04:34] <CPrompt^> ses59 : what kind of printer are you using?
[04:34] <ses59> ok thank you will try tb again to see if anyone there has found this problem
[04:34] <_2> CPrompt^ i fail to see the relivance
[04:34] <Arwen> Quick KDE question: I have two panels on the same screen, but I can only resize one of them?
[04:34] <Arwen> any ideas?
[04:35] <brian__> Wow!  I just found a Midnight Commander screenshot.  (DOS flashback)
[04:35] <Jucato> Arwen: bit of a bug. restart kicker so you can resize both. Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[04:35] <ses59> brother  hl2070n on a network using cups as the driver
[04:35] <flaccid> brian__: have you tried krusader :)
[04:35] <brian__> No, I'll look.
[04:35] <Arwen> Jucato, thanks a lot
[04:36] <CPrompt^> ses59 : have you checked the properties of the printer to make sure it is pointing to Portrait?
[04:36] <mneptok> ses59: have you gotten the latest BR_SCRIPT .ppd from Brother?
[04:36] <ses59> no on script but have checked the cups settings and it is fine and other things print using cups without the problem
[04:36] <_2> for the record ses59 already said it prints fine form other apps   !
[04:37] <brian__> krusader:  closer, much, much closer...
[04:37] <CPrompt^> _2 : thanks for pointing that out.  missed that.
[04:38] <flaccid> brian__: i use every day i like
[04:38] <CPrompt^> ses59 : I am guessing you mentioned early as well that you checked the "Page Setup" under Thunderbird to make sure it was set to Portrait?
[04:38] <brian__> I'm gonna try it - thanks.
[04:39] <_2> yeah i kinda hate it when nine people jump in with "have you checked this, have you done that" and it's not even related to the issue...    sorry for ranting tho
[04:39] <mneptok> ses59_: The above is correct, however, even after changing default to Letter size, cups printout was still incorrect. Both the cups test print page and alingmargins still showed page size of 596.28 x 841.8 - 8.28x11.69 inches which is wrong. In order to print true letter size, the file /usr/local/Brother/inf/brHL2070Nrc must be edited so that PaperType is set to Letter. Even when cups is changed to Letter, this file still uses an A4 size ...
[04:39] <mneptok> ... and all page measurements are wrong. After this change, page size is shows correctly as 215.9x279.4 = 8.5x11 inches.
[04:39] <jcolvin_> flaccid: still nothing
[04:39] <mneptok> ses59_: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-HL-2070N
[04:40] <mneptok> ses59_: use that driver and follow those instructions
[04:40] <brian__> wait a minute - konqueror does the same thing I think (to many beers)
[04:41] <flaccid> jcolvin: its meant to return nothing. now look in knetworkmanager icon for networks. failing that check sudo iwlist eth1 scanning
[04:41] <brian__> are there differences?
[04:41] <flaccid> eth1 being the interface logical name
[04:41] <flaccid> yeah there are, just can't really remember
[04:43] <brian__> Switching gears now:  what is my best bet to get laptop wireless running? Is there proven (supported) hardware for the PCMCIA port?
[04:43] <nosrednaekim> dolphin in KDE4 is amazing.
[04:43] <flaccid> !wireless
[04:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:43] <flaccid> check the supported cards brian__
[04:43] <_2> brian__ yes there is.
[04:43] <Arwen> In KControl, "Use Translucency" is an implementation of XComposite, right?
[04:43] <mneptok> brian__: what cardbus/pcmcia card?
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: yeah... but you can use software render too
[04:44] <Arwen> that would be hideously slow, right?
[04:44] <flaccid> Arwen: in kde3 i think it is yeah
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> which is what I use as I have an ATI card
[04:44] <flaccid> its not too bad Arwen, kde4 will use its own compositing
[04:44] <_2> brian__ there is a hardware page  with lists of known "out of box" supported hardware.   you should have a look.
[04:45] <brian__> It looks like I need to spend more time researching...
[04:45] <flaccid> thats the way it will be until vendors provide their own drivers
[04:45] <jcolvin__> brian_: what do you mean by cardbus?
[04:46] <_2> flaccid i wouldn't wish for that...   ;/
[04:46] <flaccid> pc cardbus = pcmcia
[04:46] <flaccid> _2: why not?
[04:46] <Arwen> sweet, kcontrol "admin mode" button :-)
[04:46] <_2> far better if they would open source it.
[04:46] <brian__> I've no hardware yet, I'm researching before I buy.
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: no, actually it pretty fast.
[04:46] <_2> !hardware
[04:46] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[04:46] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, how do I force software rendering?
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> its an option under advanced on that effects tab
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> bye all!
[04:48] <_2> nosrednaekim
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[04:48] <_2> tootels
[04:48] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, I don't see it, but oh well
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> its in there somewhere ;)
[04:49] <brian__> I bet you that if the wireless driver problem was solved (supported) there would no longer be any reason to use Microsoft software?
[04:49] <brian__> for the general public...
[04:49] <_2> brian__ there isn't now.
[04:49] <flaccid> there would be lots of reasons
[04:49] <brian__> (grin)
[04:50] <brian__> I'm speaking in generalities...
[04:50] <flaccid> im speaking in any terms
[04:50] <flaccid> how would providing driver support make everyone change to linux?
[04:51] <flaccid> its a step, but only a step
[04:51] <brian__> It seems that wireless is the "hot ticket" right now.  It will change tomorrow...
[04:52] <flaccid> there are lots of hot tickets :)
[04:52] <_2> flavour of the month
[04:52] <brian__> businesses offer it as a way to get you into thier shops
[04:52] <brian__> yes, exactly - flavor of the month
[04:52] <flaccid> people don't need wireless. its an extra FABG
[04:52] <flaccid> or a VAS
[04:53] <brian__> please excuse my ignorance - what is FABG?
[04:53] <brian__> I suck at acronyms
[04:53] <flaccid> feature, advantage, benefit, grabber
[04:53] <brian__> gotcha
[04:53] <flaccid> its a professional sales term
[04:54] <brian__> I got to tell you though, in my opinion cables tie everybody down.
[04:55] <_2> yeah can you imagine a world with no cables,    and no wireless   ?
[04:55] <brian__> (grin)
[04:55] <flaccid> we are moving mobile, but its uptake in the consumer world is slow and it still costs eg. handhelds
[04:55] <Brad_> Okay, the restricted device manager killed my system.
[04:56] <flaccid> killed?
[04:56] <brian__> yeah, it sure does cost.  try surfing the web on a cell phone.  it costs to much and it generally sucks (the experience)
[04:56] <bradsnet> No video, no nothin... looks like it is going to start up, then no video, hard drive stops accessing, just halts.
[04:57] <flaccid> need to do a manual diagnosis of xorg
[04:57] <_2> brian__ i can't imagine wanting a cell phone   so   don't look my way when you ask that.
[04:57] <flaccid> can you get to a tty eg. ctrl + alt + f2 ?
[04:57] <bradsnet> I'm reinstalling now.
[04:57] <flaccid> why?
[04:58] <bradsnet> Seems easier... it was a fresh install anyway...
[04:58] <brian__> are you serious about not wanting a cell phone?
[04:58] <_2> cause x was not working propperly,  of course !
[04:58] <bradsnet> And now I know not to do that again.
[04:58] <_2> brian__ indeed.
[04:58] <bradsnet> I don't think it was just x.
[04:58] <flaccid> bradsnet: but you will want to use the prop. nvidia driver because its better so you might get up to this point again
[04:58] <Arwen> um, ntp synchronization isn't working
[04:58] <flaccid> do it manual without restricted-manager . can show you that
[04:58] <Arwen> any ideas what I should check?
[04:59] <flaccid> Arwen: there is something on the wiki on that
[04:59] <bradsnet> .?
[04:59] <_2> Arwen konsole# ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[04:59] <brian__> You know _2, I got a cell phone to escape tellemarketers and the fact that when I don't want to be contacted I can simply turn it off.
[04:59] <Arwen> 31 Aug 22:59:44 ntpdate[25766] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[05:00] <bradsnet> I don't get why when I select the driver in the driver selection dialog in provides that isn't selection the proper driver.
[05:00] <bradsnet> selecting.
[05:01] <blober> what screen capture utility do you use in kubuntu?
[05:01] <_2> brian__ ringers on normal phones can be turned off.   and tellemarketers can be fun.    think up new ways to really put the heavy on them without being rude  :)))
[05:01] <bradsnet> It seemed to mostly work when I did that. Except the resolution was missing, which that link you sent me has something to say about... er, yeah.
[05:01] <blober> i am trying istanbul, but it doesnt work for me
[05:01] <flaccid> blober: ksnapshot
[05:01] <brian__> (grin) you got me there!
[05:02] <blober> flaccid: as video i mean
[05:02] <flaccid> um
[05:02] <flaccid> tvtime you might be able to do
[05:02] <bradsnet> So I figured I would just install again, do it the way I did it last time, then follow that part of the instructions... but... is there a reason I need to go through the restricted manager?
[05:03] <_2> bradsnet no
[05:03] <flaccid> bradsnet: not really. can install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new via apt-get
[05:03] <Arwen> how do I disable that stupid user list on the login screen?
[05:03] <brian__> my point is that folks want to be connect on thier terms wherever they are.  that's why wireless is the "FABG'
[05:03] <flaccid> Arwen: i think thats in kcontrol somewhere
[05:03] <Arwen> yes, where?
[05:03] <Arwen> kcontrol is huge
[05:03] <_2> Arwen which login   kdm ?
[05:03] <Arwen> yes
[05:03] <bradsnet> Okay, what do I need those for? And which one?
[05:03] <flaccid> Arwen: you can search in kcontrol for login or kdm
[05:04] <_2> Arwen heh it's near the bottom of the list in kcontrol    that's all i remember
[05:04] <flaccid> bradsnet: not sure which one. that are the nvidia driver packages
[05:04] <Arwen> I'm in the login manager section, but I don't see it
[05:04] <MarcC> anybody know why Kubuntu has "stalled" and won't show any files in my home dir, but Nautilus works?
[05:04] <flaccid> nvidia-glx-new is the new driver , both will probably work on your card unless you need nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:04] <flaccid> i gtg
[05:04] <MarcC> sorry, Konqueror, not Kubuntu
[05:04] <_2> Arwen it's not in the main tab on that section
[05:04] <Arwen> oh wait, found it "show users"
[05:05] <_2> yep
[05:05] <_2> you can also select which uid's to show
[05:05] <Arwen> also, a bunch of sections in kcontrol appear in the list, but I can't open them? is my setup b0rk3d?
[05:05] <MarcC> nevermind, I sent a sigkill to kded and everything's fine...?
[05:06] <Jucato> you need to restart kded though...
[05:06] <_2> is that a question ?
[05:06] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know if it's possible to smooth out the choppiness on my NeoMagic MagicGraph256AV?
[05:06] <GuyFromHell> any virtual machine thingies besides vmware player (which currently doesn't install on my gutsy)
[05:07] <Kr4t05> I'm using X.org's neomagic driver, but, dragging windows is very choppy and ugly. :/
[05:07] <_2> GuyFromHell qemu
[05:07] <brian__> beryl, is it worth it?
[05:07] <GuyFromHell> _2: k i'll look into that, thank  you
[05:07] <winbond> Kr4t05, you could buy a new video card?
[05:07] <Kr4t05> brian__, If you have the power, and don't mind a bit of effort for some nifty effects, why not.?
[05:08] <Kr4t05> winbond, Sure thing... If this were a desktop.
[05:08] <brian__> it sure does shine purty
[05:08] <_2> Kr4t05 not to divert you,  but how much time to you spend "dragging windows" about ?
[05:08] <winbond> Kr4t05, i guess ure flacked
[05:09] <Kr4t05> _2, Enough that it bugs me. :P
[05:09] <_2> yes i know that.   just wondering.   don't forget i'm a console user, so if you could humour me...
[05:09] <brian__> Is it practical?  Has it enabled you to "compute" more efficiently?
[05:10] <Kr4t05> glxgears averages about 100FPS on this thing... :/
[05:10] <_2> brian__ quite the opisite i'd think
[05:11] <arctanx> Kr4t05: do you remember what you typed after "gxlgears" to get that FPS reading? ;)
[05:11] <arctanx> glxgears*
[05:11] <Kr4t05> brian__, It depends. Once you get over the whole "Lookit the cube spin!! WEEEEE!!" phase, you start to use features to make better use of your computer.
[05:11] <_2> iacknowledgethatthisisnotabenchmark   or some such
[05:12] <_2> @ arctanx
[05:12] <arctanx> _2: yup hehe
[05:12] <Kr4t05> arctanx, Nothing?
[05:12] <arctanx> ah maybe that's only in debian or something
[05:12] <_2> no they just defaulted it out in later *buntu
[05:13] <Jucato> yeah. -printfps is no longer needed
[05:13] <arctanx> pity
[05:14] <Jucato> uh why?
[05:14] <brian__> I'm thinking I would never get beyond the WEEEE stage..
[05:14] <_2> i wonder how many fps i get .......
[05:14] <Jucato> arctanx: "no longer needed" means "it already outputs FPS by default now"
[05:14] <arctanx> because people start using it as a benchmark. all you need is a comparison between software rendering and hardware rendering
[05:15] <elite101> hey is this a good card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161097
[05:15] <_2> err actually i wonders if i get fps ...
[05:15] <blober> have anyone some idea of how to use tvtime to capture my screen as video??
[05:15] <GuyFromHell> _2: beautifully started, thank you :)
[05:16] <albertmk> Question: For partition, I can use PartitionMagic for Windows. How about Kubuntu/Ubuntu?
[05:16] <coreymon77> qtparted
[05:16] <_2> guy ok.
[05:16] <brian__> I don't think we should forget the tried and true "Paper" method of data communication - afterall, paper has excellent bandwidth.
[05:16] <Jucato> coreymon77: sent the mail. but I heard that we'll still be voting in the next meeting. but anyway..
[05:16] <elite101> does it really count between 128bit and 256bit cards??!?!
[05:17] <coreymon77> Jucato: oh, i didnt know that you were a member of the actual council?
[05:17] <Jucato> nope hehehe
[05:17] <jcolvin__> brian_: yeah i know
[05:17] <elite101> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161097
[05:17] <brian__> Nobody gets the paper bandwidth joke?
[05:18] <Jucato> nope. no one
[05:18] <coreymon77> brian__: i was about to say "lol" but i got interrupted by jucato
[05:18] <brian__> (grin)
[05:18] <_2> brian__ i though rubber got better band width
[05:18] <Kr4t05> http://pastebin.com/m5860b804 -- glxgears -info output
[05:18] <elite101> LOL
[05:18] <elite101> thats goood
[05:18] <elite101> _2, lol
[05:18] <Kr4t05> I'm basically toast, aren't I?
[05:18] <arctanx> the beatles were much wider
[05:19] <arctanx> Kr4t05: can you get better drivers than mesa?
[05:19] <brian__> rubber, the harder you pull, the harder it snaps back.  some people pay money for that...
[05:19] <Kr4t05> arctanx, Doubt it.
[05:19] <arctanx> Kr4t05: in that case, probably
[05:20] <Kr4t05> brian__, Not that your humor isn't appreciated, but could you please take it to -offtopic?
[05:20] <_2> i once saw a penut stand,   i even heard a rubber band,    watched a front porch swing,   and listened to a diamond ring...
[05:20] <coreymon77> brian__: !!! a little inappropriate maybe?
[05:20] <_2> but i aint never seen an elephant fly
[05:21] <Theresa> hey all! I finally have my friends computer set up with kubuntu. Only one problem remains and it's a wierd one. They have dial up. I am connected to the network. I can ping anything. I can do 'apt-get's. I can talk in here. However i can't get anywhere in konqueror.  I'm installing lynx to see if i can browse with it, but this is too strange. Any ideas? Thanks. (kubuntu 7.04, 2.6.20-16-generic)
[05:21] <Kr4t05> arctanx, I've been google'ing for drivers all day.
[05:21] <blober> what is my video4linux device if i want it to be my own screen? I mean, i want it to access what is going on in my screen
[05:21] <arctanx> Kr4t05: *nods* I'm not real surprised, I haven't even heard of that brand.
[05:21] <Theresa> ok! I can browse with linx, so this is a kde/konqueror problem. I'm stumped!
[05:22] <Theresa> (this is Bearcat, btw)
[05:22] <brian__> (sigh)  relax and enjoy life.  take off your blinders and simply enjoy the folks around you.  let yourself grow a little
[05:23] <brian__> sorry to take your mind of track
[05:23] <Theresa> brian__: i will when konqueror works! :P
[05:23] <_2> Theresa Jucato might be able to find something on that.   i would think that konq itself is choosing the route and it's probably hitting eth0  rather than ppp0    just a guess
[05:24] <Theresa> _2: that's my guess too
[05:24] <Jucato> sorry, no idea on this one....
[05:24] <_2> hmmm that's a negitive vote for konq ...
[05:25] <Theresa> _2: but the gateway parameter in "network settings" changes /etc/resolv.conf, not just a kde thing, right?
[05:25] <brian__> My closing statement of the night is in fact...
[05:25] <brian__> ...the similie of the day...
[05:25] <brian__> Here it is:
[05:25] <_2> our own networking guru and konqueror dev   has nothing to say on it....   this is bad...
[05:25] <Theresa> _2: well, i think it's my set up, not the fault of konq (konq is awesome on all of *my* pcs)
[05:25] <Jucato> I am neither of those :P
[05:26] <Jucato> my only guess would be a DNS problem
[05:26] <Jucato> but since Lynx can browse... :/
[05:26] <Theresa> Jucato: yeah.
[05:26] <brian__> Her face was a perfect oval - like a circle who's sides were gently squeezed together by a thighmaster...
[05:26] <carlos_> hello
[05:27] <carlos_> i am new user of kubuntu
[05:27] <_2> well i'm still voting on konqueror being the problem.    maybe (hates to mention it because of personal preferances) install ff and see if it works or not
[05:27] <albertmk> carlos_: welcome to kubuntu!
[05:28] <Jucato> he's gone though :P
[05:28] <Theresa> _2: that's not a bad idea
[05:28] <rajpakiyanathan> hello
[05:28] <raylu> _2, what did you use before konq?
[05:28] <hydrogen> opera++
[05:28] <raylu> ++?
[05:29] <_2> raylu i don't use konq either.    elinks
[05:29] <arctanx> small problem I asked about yesterday to no avail and still haven't sorted out... when I click on links in xchat, it opens up in a new tab, but I get a new "Firefox Web Browser" loading thing in the panel, and a bouncing icon next to my cursor, until it times out. Has anyone found the cause for this?
[05:29] <Theresa> _2: nothing. I'm just finishing setting this up for them. In fact i had konq/dialup working before i wiped the drive again. I don't know what the diff is this time.
[05:29] <_2> so ff doesn't either...  hmmm
[05:30] <rajpakiyanathan> anybody from Montreal here
[05:30] <_2> it prevents having bad ones...
[05:30] <Theresa> _2: for me? *grins*
[05:31] <_2> channel actually,   but it was off topic...
[05:31] <_2> Theresa idk.   withoug more to go on,  i'm out of guesses on that one.
[05:32] <_2> without
[05:32] <Kr4t05> Ah... Back in the land of wobbly windows. :)
[05:33] <_neon_> need help with k3b , it won't copy data dvd thusfar that is the only thing i have tried, i used gnomebaker and it worked perfectly tho i prefer k3b and i am using kubuntu feisty also xcdroast works fine   the symptom is when i click to copy dvd it tells me error reading image  any suggestions thx
[05:34] <bradsnet> Theresa: Does your friend's ISP use a proxy? Random guess.
[05:34] <raylu> I can't get Xinerama working the way I want it to. I'm used Windows' "Extend my desktop onto this monitor" functionality where the two are seperate desktops.
[05:34] <raylu> oh, and is compiz fusion stable/usable/recommended?
[05:34] <Theresa> bradsnet: i don't think so. If so i would think i would not be able to get places with lynx that i can not with konqueror
[05:35] <rc-1> bloody hell, compiz is showing  desktops but only able to use one
[05:35] <Kr4t05> raylu: If you do, use amaranth's repos.
[05:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> !xinerama
[05:35] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[05:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> !dualhead
[05:35] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[05:35] <raylu> o.0
[05:36] <bradsnet> Theresa: I dunno about lynx, but konq disables proxy by default it seems.
[05:36] <bradsnet> Theresa: As I said though, random.
[05:36] <ubuntu_> .
[05:36] <Theresa> bradsnet: well shall i try calling the modem a proxy?
[05:36] <blober> has anyone install xvidcap by apt-gt???? i can see it on synaptic, but it doesn change when i request it to install and on a console, it prompts that there is no instalation candidate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <raylu> m...dualhead points back to xinerama =
[05:36] <raylu> *=\
[05:37] <blober> very strange indeed
[05:37] <raylu> blober, sounds like you already have it installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[05:37] <bradsnet> Theresa: Calling the modem a proxy..... I don't see how or why.
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> someone pinged me a while ago?
[05:37] <Theresa> well, bradsnet doesn't the modem have an ip address (i know alot about networking, but haven't delt with dial-up in a LONG time)
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'll be back tomorrow morning
[05:38] <blober> raylu, nop, i cant access it by xvidcap nor it displays as installed
[05:39] <raylu> blober, what isn't showing it as installed? and what do you mean "by xvidcap?"
[05:39] <scheater5> Anyone know how to upgrade to the newest low latency kernel on Feisty?
[05:39] <bradsnet> Theresa: Yes, but it's not a proxy server so you can't connect to it like a proxy unless it is one. Basically I was just suggesting turning on auto-proxy detection in konq and see if it works, I really have no idea why lynx would work by default though...
[05:39] <blober> raylu, take this for example "Package xvidcap is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[05:39] <raylu> blober, what are you trying to install?
[05:39] <arctanx> Umm usually dialup is a simple ppp connection isn't it?
[05:40] <blober> xvidcap, so that i can capture my screen as video and share an app i am doing
[05:40] <blober> rayku,
[05:40] <bradsnet> Usually, but it's not working...
[05:40] <raylu> blober, it sounds like youo're trying to install something else
[05:40] <arctanx> if so, you just need to make sure you're routing table's right, and boom, you're off
[05:41] <blober> ??? sudo apt-get install xvidcap
[05:41] <blober> raylu, is this trying to install something else?
[05:41] <bradsnet> Hmm, so last time I installed the restricted-manager and used it it killed my system (I think) this time, when I try to run it I get a seg fault.
[05:41] <raylu> blober, guess no
[05:42] <prak> is there anyone who is successful in installing piklab after downloading its dependencies?
[05:42] <blober> raylu, i am running edgy, where can i check for bugs on the repository?
[05:42] <raylu> blober, er...what do you mean bugs "on" the repository?
[05:42] <blober> a software system mal function
[05:43] <blober> ? is that ok?
[05:46] <prak> is there anyone who is successful in installing piklab after downloading its dependencies?
[05:46] <_2> there is no one here but you that knows what piklab is...
[05:47] <raylu> blober, m...no idea what you're talking about; brb
[05:51] <bradsnet> Okay, I got my video issues all worked out. In the sense that it's now using the correct resolution, and everything looks good... do I still need to install the nvidia driver package? And if so, why?
[05:51] <_2> no
[05:52] <bradsnet> And if I were to install say a game and try to get opengl working, it would work without installing said packages?
[05:52] <_2> and because "if it aint broke, don't fix it"
[05:53] <_2> and say like if you give false information you  will get wrong answers   i.e.  "<bradsnet> Okay, I got my video issues all worked out."
[05:54] <_2> so if the vidio issues are all worked out    then they are all worked out....
[05:55] <bradsnet> pff
[05:55] <dr_Willis> Huh.....
[05:56] <bradsnet> I stand by my statements. I got my video issues worked out. I'm now simply wondering if I'll have any video issues in the future should I decide to do certain things.
[05:56] <_2> then   yes
[05:56] <dr_Willis> i can guess.. YES.. some time in the future you will have issues...
[05:56] <dr_Willis> perahso not for ages.. but eventually yes. :)
[05:56] <_2> yes    you will
[05:57] <bradsnet> Sigh.
[05:57] <dr_Willis> given the vageness of the discussion
[05:57] <dr_Willis> a lot depends on your video card.
[05:57] <dr_Willis> and how old it is.
[05:57] <bradsnet> Well, I did say what those specific things were before doc. _2 is intentionally obfuscating my statements for some reason unknown to me.
[05:57] <bradsnet> nvidia geforce 6800 ultra
[05:57] <dr_Willis> i just joined.. so i dident see any of it.
[05:58] <bradsnet> No worries.
[05:58] <_2> and what you try to get it to do     (appended to dr_Willis' privious post)
[05:58] <dr_Willis> for full 3d gameing - you will want to be using the 'nvidia' drivers.
[05:58] <dr_Willis> using the repositories is the safest way to do so. (or the restricted-manager tool)
[05:59] <dr_Willis> using just the 'nv' driver  proberly will work for most of your needs. but some things will need the 'nvidia' drivers.
[05:59] <_2> doc   i think he just did that and then reloaded     if i'm not mistaken
[05:59] <bradsnet> And when I first installed kubuntu I couldn't get it to the right resolution... someone suggested the restricted manager, so I used that, and when it was done and I rebooted my system wouldn't load... I don't think it was just no video, it started booting then just stopped. No disk activity, no video, no nothin...
[06:00] <bradsnet> So I reinstalled kubuntu... I tried to run the restricted-manager again, but now when I do it seg faults.
[06:00] <krowe> kdeversion
[06:00] <krowe> Qt: 3.3.7
[06:00] <krowe> KDE: 3.5.6
[06:00] <krowe> kde-config: 1.0
[06:01] <bradsnet> So, I played with the settings enough, and finally got it looking right... and your last statement was very helpful.
[06:01] <krowe> Beer load [      \              ]  30%
[06:02] <dr_Willis> 'system wouldent load' is vague. :) did the consoles work?  do you have just a pc monitor hooked up?
[06:02] <_2> heh one sure fire way to tell if someone is too drunk to drive,   they insist on driving and wont give you the keys without a fight...
[06:03] <dr_Willis> I had a machine. with tv hooked up. when i installed the nvidia drivers. it defaulted to the tv out. (oddly) so i 'thought' it was messed up. but   I turned on the tv. and there was the X display. :)
[06:04] <bradsnet> I'm not sure I could reproduce that situation if I wanted to doc, It's a laptop, but I have both that display and a tv hooked up. I read that on ... some page I can't remember, and so I knew to check that, I turned on the tv, nothing there as well.
[06:04] <bradsnet> I didn't check the consoles.
[06:05] <dr_Willis> i had a friend with a laptop. on  his.. for some reason he has to hit the 'switch monitors' hotkey sequence.  on the laptop keys. to get it to show on the.
[06:05] <bradsnet> The only thing I did different on this install is I did all of the updates available. But this time when I try to use the restricted manager I get a huge stack trace and a seg fault.
[06:05] <dr_Willis> on the lcd.. Oddly. :) it only seems ot be needed SOMETIMES on his laptop
[06:05] <Salty_Chode> I'm from America.  If you think you can take my keys, bring it on snapperhead
[06:06] <sea_4_ever> is it just me : or is the KTron game EXTREMELY addictive?
[06:06] <bradsnet> Hmm, I don't have a key that does that. My work machine does though so I know what you mean, but I think this system is different...
[06:06] <_2> Salty_Chode so where are you now ?
[06:06] <_2> :)
[06:07] <bradsnet> In that it works like a typical dual card. When I had windows I flipped back and forth with the software... and it seems I can do the same now, I've yet to try it because I'm using the KVM for my ubuntu box at the moment, which is why I can chat here as I do this stuff.
[06:09] <Salty_Chode> It's hard to tell. It's dark.  When I breath there is the smell of the ocean - but not in a good way.  It's like being cabin boy on an Alaskin crabing vessal.  Should I  be worried?
[06:09] <bradsnet> Anyhow, what's the package name of the nvidia driver again?
[06:10] <_2> not as long as no body says "hold still"
[06:10] <bradsnet> And if I install the package, will I have to do anything else after that?
[06:10] <_2> !nv
[06:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <bradsnet> Yes, but that tells me to use the restricted manager, which I just pointed out bombs when I run it.
[06:12] <_2> it's something like   sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvconfig --activate      or some such.
[06:12] <_2> look at the rest of the page....  links to other methoods
[06:13] <Salty_Chode> Last night I had this dream that I was in prison.  My cellmate took advantage of me.  The funny thing is though - when I awoke the next morining, the window was open and my back was sticky???????????
[06:14] <_2> that was errr not even a good one to leave on...
[06:16] <Hardy_> Hey there
[06:16] <dr_Willis>  restricted manager  just downloads/intalls the proper  packages.
[06:16] <Hardy_> I just installed Gutsy and konquerer won't access the web at all..
[06:16] <dr_Willis> it pays to read/learn all about how the xorg.conf is confiogured. :) and backup your working ones.
[06:16] <intelikey> ooops that wasn't /clear  that was /quit....
[06:17] <Hardy_> icr works, the adept package manager is downloading, but no web !
[06:17] <bradsnet> That's odd someone else was just in here saying the same thing about konq with no web.
[06:17] <intelikey> Hardy_ didn't we just talk about that ?
[06:18] <Hardy_> I don't know. THis is the very first time I've joined this channel, ever.
[06:18] <bradsnet> Are you using dial-up?
[06:19] <intelikey> ok  someone was jsut here with the same issue.
[06:19] <Hardy_> So, I suppose it's a verified problem then. So what is the solution then ?
[06:19] <Hardy_> No dial-up, dsl
[06:19] <intelikey> and no we didn't get it fixed.
[06:19] <bradsnet> Yeah, the other person said lynx worked though.
[06:19] <bradsnet> Not that that helps much.
[06:20] <Hardy_> Aha!
[06:20] <dr_Willis> ive seen people come in ehre saying web dident work, irc does.. befor, :)
[06:20] <dr_Willis> never have figured out exactly whats going on with that.
[06:20] <intelikey> they went away disgrunteled ?
[06:20] <Hardy_> Well here I am! What configuration options should I check then?
[06:21] <intelikey> firewall ?    maybe port 80 is blocked
[06:21] <Hardy_> wget works also.
[06:21] <raylu> what browser, Hardy_?
[06:21] <bradsnet> Okay, I did something dumb. The restricted manager worked again for some reason, but now i'm back to my other problem... no x. consoles work.
[06:22] <intelikey> x consoles ?
[06:22] <Hardy_> and Im currently downloading plenty of crap with adept, that's also http
[06:22] <intelikey> what's that ?   konsole ?
[06:22] <dr_Willis> No X, but the consoles are working. :) i think he said.
[06:22] <Hardy_> konqueror browser doesn't work for the web.
[06:23] <Hardy_> I'll try firefix after the current flood of update is complete.
[06:23] <dr_Willis> try entering a web site based on its ip address.
[06:23] <raylu> dr_Willis, wget needs dns resolution too, so that can't be the problem
[06:23] <dr_Willis> http://google.com http://72.14.207.99
[06:23] <dr_Willis> raylu,  i would think lynx would also...  and irc.. but   who can tell. :)
[06:23] <intelikey> dr_Willis could be...  only bradsnet can say for sure
[06:24] <bradsnet> Yes, doc has it right.
[06:24] <dr_Willis> just trying out some other testing tidbits
[06:24] <Hardy_> Hehe, I coincidentally tried the exact same address: Could not connect to host http://72.14.207.99/
[06:25] <bradsnet> I tried running nvidia-xconfig and rebooting, no dice.
[06:25] <intelikey> bradsnet ok.   then it's xorg.conf that is hosed    or possably the module is not right for that card
[06:25] <intelikey> i'd look into the conf file.
[06:26] <Hardy_> It's not a firewall or tcp issue, so far it's just konqueror.
[06:26] <bradsnet> The other person had the exact same issue.
[06:26] <intelikey> Hardy_ sorry i lost track,  did you install ff and try it ?
[06:26] <bradsnet> intelikey: Look into?
[06:27] <Hardy_> No, I'm still im mid-upgrade from original boot-install
[06:27] <Hardy_> probably 5 more minutes, then I'll be able to dl ff
[06:27] <dr_Willis> lots of updates eh... :)
[06:27] <intelikey> bradsnet yeah.     sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf     but if you don't know anything about it's syntax,  then just ignore that.
[06:28] <raylu> is compiz fusion stable/usable/recommended?
[06:28] <dr_Willis> nvidia-xconfig i Thought needed some options.
[06:28] <Hardy_> Yes, and it's the latest herd gutsy release, but 144 packages to update
[06:28] <dr_Willis> raylu,  Id say play with it on a live cd.. or some system youdont care about.
[06:28] <raylu> lol, ok; ill stick with beryl, i guess
[06:28] <MarcC> anybody know how I can restart kwallet?
[06:29] <raylu> MarcC...close it and run it again? unless you want to HUP
[06:29] <MarcC> raylu: there's no command called "kwallet"
[06:29] <Hardy_> launch it from a konsole shell ?
[06:29] <intelikey> wont dcop get taht
[06:29] <intelikey> that even
[06:29] <Hardy_> there is a kwalletmanager though
[06:29] <MarcC> doesn't start the wallet, just the manager
[06:29] <raylu> MarcC, what program needs kwallet?
[06:29] <MarcC> raylu: kopete
[06:30] <Hardy_> type kwalletmanager from a konsole and it will jump into the task bar
[06:30] <bradsnet> Well I did it anyway.
[06:30] <raylu> then shouldn't killing the wallet and then connecting with kopete do it?
[06:30] <MarcC> restarting kopete doesn't help - I had to kill kded and now kwallet won't do anything - won't load FTP sites in konqueror, etc.
[06:30] <MarcC> raylu: nope
[06:30] <bradsnet> dr_Willis: The binarydriverhowto doesn't mention any parms for nvidia-xconfig.
[06:30] <MarcC> I think it's this bug: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070830.040304.b6758e2a.en.html
[06:30] <dr_Willis> i normally use it to enable twinview
[06:31] <intelikey> bradsnet you can as a last resort,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh      to reset it to the 'nv' driver.
[06:31] <dr_Willis> try nvidia-xconfig -A , for deteiled help.. :) of course Ive also read enough stuff over the ages. to know what nvidia-xconfig is actually doing to the xorg.conf.
[06:31] <Hardy_> Are there any [k|ed] ?ubuntu developers in here ?
[06:31] <dr_Willis> Gotta love old-skool hand editing of the xorg.conf
[06:32] <Hardy_> sounds like slackware
[06:33] <intelikey> gota love old-school .
[06:33] <dr_Willis> actually i think normally its just a matter of installing the nvidia-glx package, (and 1 or 2 others) then change  'Driver "nv"' to "Driver 'nvidia'" in the xorg.conf
[06:34] <intelikey> reboot with the correct kernel ^   and youre in.
[06:35] <dr_Willis> yep. that helps. :)
[06:35] <bradsnet> dr_Willis: Nothing in -A seems applicable.
[06:35] <intelikey> i'm wondering if he's not booting the propper kernel
[06:35] <GuyFromHell> how difficult is it to resize an ext3 partition (shrink)
[06:36] <dr_Willis> gparted can do it - i do belive
[06:36] <GuyFromHell> dr_Willis:... i love gparted...
[06:36] <dr_Willis> shrin king some other type of fs's can be a bit harder.
[06:36] <dr_Willis> I 'moved/resized' ext3 today on my laptop.. took almost 2 hrs.. ICK! :0
[06:36] <intelikey> qtparted should.   there are other ways.  but there is no substitute for "BACKUPS" never forget that.
[06:37] <GuyFromHell> right-o, /me pets his usb key
[06:37] <dr_Willis>  usb key = used to run the parted-livecd system.
[06:37] <dr_Willis> for me. :0
[06:37] <GuyFromHell> i hope it worked then?
[06:38] <dr_Willis> gotta love bootable use keys
[06:38] <raylu> *pets
[06:38] <stimulus> evening all
[06:38] <intelikey> stimulus
[06:38] <bradsnet> Yo.
[06:39] <stimulus> hi
[06:39] <bradsnet> Okay, I used reconfigure to use the nvidia drivers... even though it was already doing that in theory... if it doesn't work I'll change it back to nv.
[06:39] <jesus_> a
[06:39] <bradsnet> dpkg-reconfigure that is.
[06:39] <intelikey> b
[06:39] <stimulus> i usually perfer the closed source drivers because they tend to be more stable at times
[06:40] <Biovore> stimulus: depends..
[06:40] <stimulus> but the opensource drivers, when you get them working, will give you some really nice features
[06:40] <stimulus> such as beryl
[06:40] <stimulus> and so on
[06:40] <Biovore> beryl isn't a driver..
[06:40] <intelikey> nvidia closed surce is so stable on this box it wont even start...
[06:40] <stimulus> beryl is a desktop manager
[06:41] <Biovore> the problem with pre-canned stuff is it only works on what they tested..  do something weird or different.. you get screwed..
[06:41] <stimulus> from my understanding
[06:41] <Biovore> Thats why having the source for stuff is nice..
[06:41] <Biovore> I can make it work for what I want it to do..
[06:41] <stimulus> right
[06:42] <bradsnet> Think I'll have any better luck with nvidia-glx-new?
[06:42] <Biovore> bradsnet: what nvidia card?
[06:42] <stimulus> what nvidia card do you have?
[06:42] <intelikey> you stand benieth it very well
[06:42] <bradsnet> 6800 go ultra
[06:42] <Biovore> the new one should work
[06:42] <stimulus> does the opensource driver support your card?
[06:43] <Biovore> the open source driver doesn't do opengl acceleration..
[06:43] <dr_Willis> nvidia-glx-new is what i use for my desktop 6800
[06:43] <Biovore> nvidia never released specs on that..
[06:43] <bradsnet> Is "nv" the open driver?
[06:43] <stimulus> besides that one sounds like a mobile card, some of the eye candy in ubuntu may or may not work too good with some mobile cards
[06:43] <fignew> bradsnet: yes
[06:43] <bradsnet> If so, yes.
[06:43] <bradsnet> thanks fig.
[06:43] <bradsnet> Yes.
[06:43] <stimulus> ok well its not a mobile card
[06:44] <intelikey> i think it is
[06:44] <stimulus> hmm
[06:44] <Hardy_> firefox works fine, but konqueror still won't access the web.
[06:44] <stimulus> usually, with nvidia cards, the "go" resembles a mobile card
[06:44] <intelikey> Hardy_ file a bug on it please
[06:44] <stimulus> like my laptop, it has an Nvidia geforce 2 go
[06:44] <intelikey> !bug | Hardy_
[06:44] <ubotu> Hardy_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:44] <bradsnet> It's an alienware desktop replacement laptop... hard to tell sometimes what it's using, but I know it is a mobile card.
[06:45] <Hardy_> for the bots ?
[06:45] <intelikey> no for konq
[06:45] <fignew> konq won't access the web?
[06:45] <stimulus> konqueror accesses web
[06:45] <MarcC> ok, I solved my kded cpu usage with kwallet problem by deleting kwalletrc and logging in again...where can I report this?
[06:46] <intelikey> fignew correct,   second report in about as many hours
[06:46] <Biovore> !bug | MarcC:
[06:46] <ubotu> MarcC:: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:46] <Hardy_> My knoqueror won't access the web, it's a popular bug now.
[06:46] <fignew> On Feisty?
[06:46] <Biovore> weirdness
[06:46] <stimulus> konqueror worked just fine on the web, but i mostly used firefox
[06:46] <bradsnet> Someone was in here earlier with the same complaint too.
[06:46] <stimulus> but i also updated my kubuntu 7.04
[06:47] <Hardy_> on kubuntu tribe-5 x64, konqueror will not access the web.
[06:47] <bradsnet> I reconfigured to nv, hopefully that will work again.
[06:47] <Biovore> konqueror works fine here..
[06:47] <Biovore> Hardy_: its beta still
[06:47] <bradsnet> Yeah, that's working.
[06:47] <Biovore> tribe-5 is the next release.. its a pre-release for testing..
[06:47] <fignew> bradsnet: do you wan't the closed source driver?
[06:47] <Hardy_> I'm complaining, but not bitterly :-)
[06:48] <bradsnet> The only reason I care is because I eventually want to try to get a game working.
[06:48] <bradsnet> So yes, in a way.
[06:48] <bradsnet> But it wouldn't end my life if I couldn't.
[06:48] <Hardy_> Also the KNetworkManager says no active device, which may be relevant
[06:48] <fignew> bradsnet: but it's not working?
[06:48] <bradsnet> Correct.
[06:48] <user17__> ding
[06:49] <bradsnet> I tried nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new.
[06:49] <Biovore> I am not messing with gusty that much here.. Looking forward to herion (the next LTS release)
[06:49] <fignew> (sorry for re-asking all the questions) What error do you get?
[06:50] <bradsnet> None.
[06:50] <bradsnet> Just boots with no video, I have to go to a console to do anything.
[06:50] <fignew> lol
[06:51] <fignew> change it back to nvidia
[06:51] <fignew> and restart X
[06:51] <bradsnet> Someone suggested it could be outputting to the external video port... but I tested that.
[06:51] <bradsnet> And then what fig?
[06:51] <fignew> then in the console nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:52] <intelikey> less
[06:52] <Biovore> more?
[06:52] <fignew> nano
[06:52] <fignew> so he can do a search
[06:52] <fignew> :)
[06:52] <intelikey> you can search in less
[06:52] <intelikey> duh
[06:52] <Biovore> and..  less can too
[06:52] <fignew> screw that
[06:52] <Biovore> s/<thing>
[06:52] <brian__> I had this dream where the planet was united and there were no software wars.  We all decided on one OS to represent the Human Race.
[06:53] <Hardy_> Shit, I have to log in to report a bug? What an imposition.
[06:53] <Hardy_> Anyhow someone already reported the konqueror bug, and there's a workaround
[06:53] <bradsnet> Restarting now.
[06:53] <intelikey>    /string to search for [enter]    for forward   ?string   for reverse search
[06:53] <fignew> brian__: The perfect world would have no OS's (your world sucks)
[06:53] <fignew> ;)
[06:54] <Hardy_> disable the cache and konqueror will access the web. Maybe someone could tell the channel bot.
[06:54] <Hardy_> !konqueror
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Biovore> in the future.. the OS will all be in hardware..
[06:54] <Hardy_> !bot
[06:54] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:54] <hydrogen> most!
[06:54] <Hardy_> How do we feed the bots here ?
[06:54] <hydrogen> !botsnack
[06:54] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:54] <hydrogen> course you did!
[06:55] <brian__> Finally after years of struggle, the people of the planet decided to focus there energies outwards twords space exploration.
[06:56] <stimulus> i have a paypal based question
[06:56] <brian__> unfortunately Tom Cruise fucked it up with his volcano gods...
[06:56] <fignew> brian__: what struggle?
[06:56] <intelikey> ubotu konq-bug is 'there is a bug in the gutsy konqueror, you can work around this bug by disabling the cache'
[06:56] <bradsnet> fignew: K, got the log.
[06:56] <stimulus> on paypal with there free account, i know you can send, but can you receive money?
[06:56] <fignew> do a search for EE
[06:56] <fignew> ctrl+W in nano
[06:56] <Hardy_> !konq-bug
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konq-bug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <stimulus> im asking because my company is going to be paying me via paypal
[06:56] <intelikey> Hardy_ it will have to be processed
[06:57] <Zaqq> when can we expect KDE4?
[06:57] <fignew> bradsnet: do any errors show up?
[06:57] <Biovore> stimulus: yes.. but paypal takes a cut off the top..
[06:57] <intelikey> Hardy_ there is no "dirrect editing" of ubotu
[06:57] <brian__> (that was a Scientology joke)
[06:57] <stimulus> biov >> how much?
[06:57] <Biovore> zhan: might be an add on in gusty
[06:58] <Biovore> Zaqq: not planed until herion
[06:58] <bradsnet> Well, I'm having to skip through a bunch of "free" and other such things....
[06:58] <Biovore> Release canidate for kde4 planned in sept - oct time frame
[06:58] <Hardy_> Yes, any text change must pass 5 levels of verification, before we see all the typos
[06:58] <bradsnet> okay, got one.
[06:58] <intelikey> :)
[06:58] <bradsnet> Doesn't look good.
[06:59] <Hardy_> Is there a *buntu wiki instead ?
[06:59] <bradsnet> failed to init the nvidia kernel module.
[06:59] <fignew> lol
[06:59] <fignew> figured
[06:59] <Biovore> bradsnet: sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:59] <intelikey> Hardy_ indeed
[06:59] <bradsnet> Please ensure blah balh.
[06:59] <intelikey> !wiki
[06:59] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[06:59] <bradsnet> figured?
[06:59] <fignew> right Biovore, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:59] <fignew> bradsnet: yep, I'm that good ;)
[07:00] <fignew> ohh
[07:00] <Biovore> I do xinit from the console to check if x is going to work.. then you get errors on the screen as text.. makes more sense to me..
[07:00] <bradsnet> This a common issue?
[07:00] <brian__> Sometimes, after a large bowl of miniwheats, it hurts when I poop.
[07:00] <fignew> bradsnet: common stumbling point
[07:00] <bradsnet> It appears to be restarting x...
[07:00] <coreymon77> brian__: what?!
[07:01] <Zaqq> lol
[07:01] <coreymon77> brian__: was that really necessary?
[07:01] <Biovore> hmm miniwheats...
[07:01] <Zaqq> wrong window
[07:01] <bradsnet> For my curiosity... what is the issue?
[07:01] <fignew> did it work?
[07:01] <bradsnet> Hmm. I've got a blinking cursor... doesn't seem to be doing anything.
[07:01] <Biovore> sounds like X didn't start
[07:01] <Biovore> ;-)
[07:02] <fignew> it's not really an issue, it's a matter of the X driver being loaded, and not the kernel driver
[07:02] <brian__> Sorry, I meant to say: "Sometimes after breakfast, when I install linux on a new box, it hurts when I poop"
[07:02] <bradsnet> ;-)?
[07:02] <fignew> and the X driver can't function without the kernel driver
[07:02] <fignew> lol Biovore
[07:02] <fignew> you win
[07:02] <intelikey> :)
[07:02] <Biovore> try just doing a xinit on the console..
[07:02] <intelikey> xinit ???
[07:03] <bradsnet> yikes.
[07:03] <Biovore> from the console
[07:03] <bradsnet> Fatal error.
[07:03] <bradsnet> no screens found.
[07:03] <Hardy_> brian__ if it's an intermittant problem we can't debug it. Did you get a core dump?
[07:03] <bradsnet> tons of other stuff.
[07:03] <Biovore> bradsnet: yeah.. your xorg.conf file is missing some stuff..
[07:03] <bradsnet> Neat.
[07:03] <brian__> Hardy - you make me proud!
[07:04] <bradsnet> Bear is the person who had that issue before.
[07:04] <Bearcat> alright folks. I'm gonna give this 1/2 hour more and then i quit
[07:04] <bradsnet> btw.
[07:04] <Bearcat> yes, thank you
[07:04] <bradsnet> bear: Hardy has the same issue.
[07:04] <Bearcat> i'm going nuts. This is the last bug to fix
[07:04] <Bearcat> O.O
[07:04] <Bearcat> what was the fix?
[07:04] <bradsnet> "HAS"
[07:04] <Hardy_> I could work for the ubuntu project but the long hours, and low pay, I dunno...
[07:04] <Bearcat> Hardy_: you here?
[07:04] <Bearcat> oh
[07:05] <Bearcat> yay!
[07:05] <Biovore> need to add a mode line in your xorg.conf
[07:05] <Bearcat> Hardy_: when did it start?
[07:05] <bradsnet> mode line... mode line...
[07:05] <Hardy_> When did what start ?
[07:05] <fignew> Biovore: you got bradsnet, I got to get going
[07:05] <intelikey> Hardy_ low pay ????   they pay ?
[07:05] <Biovore> xorg is a pain to deal with for new-commers
[07:06] <Bearcat> Hardy_: are you using dialup as well?
[07:06] <Hardy_> Bearcat: No, dsl
[07:06] <bradsnet> Found my way back into the config file.
[07:06] <bradsnet> What do I add?
[07:06] <intelikey> Bearcat are you running futsy 64   as well
[07:06] <intelikey> ?
[07:07] <Hardy_> Bearcat: The konqueror bug is already in the database. The workaround is to disable the cache.
[07:07] <intelikey> g
[07:07] <Bearcat> Hardy_: oh
[07:07] <Bearcat> ...
[07:07] <intelikey> Bearcat are you running gutsy 64   as well ?
[07:07] <Bearcat> intelikey: no
[07:07] <Hardy_> The bug repost didn't say x64
[07:07] <Bearcat> intelikey: 32-bit install on a 64-bit processor
[07:08] <bradsnet> mode line... DRI section? It has mode 0666 now....
[07:08] <intelikey> Hardy_ but you said you were on 64 bit   no?
[07:08] <Bearcat> OH MY....
[07:08] <Bearcat> it works
[07:08] <intelikey> Bearcat gutsy ?   feisty ?
[07:08] <Hardy_> Yes I am on x64.
[07:08] <brian__>  Sometimes, when it comes to configuration problems, I wonder if I'm not just some cheap bastard who doesn't want to pay for software.
[07:08] <Biovore> http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/Linux/xorg.conf <-- example xorg.conf for a nvidia card.
[07:08] <intelikey> ok i'm just trying to keep up with this...
[07:09] <Hardy_> I would update the bug database, but SUCH an imposition to create an account. What were they thinking?
[07:09] <Bearcat> Hardy_: thank you so much! I can go home and SLEEP now!
[07:09] <intelikey> Bearcat what version ?
[07:09] <intelikey> Bearcat gutsy ?   feisty ?
[07:09] <Bearcat> i forget.. 7.04
[07:09] <Hardy_> I could just revert to another distribution, and tell you to screw off.
[07:09] <intelikey> 7.10 ?
[07:09] <bradsnet> Mine looks one heck of a lot like that, any idea what might be different?
[07:10] <intelikey> Bearcat please run      lsb_release -a    in a konsole
[07:10] <Biovore> well if you got an nivida card.. you basicly can use that.. just change the resolutions in the list.
[07:10] <Bearcat> Hardy_: *whispers* don't tell anyone but i use sourcemage on my  main machine and i never have these problems. Of course i have different problems...
[07:10] <brian__> Hardy makes me horny
[07:10] <intelikey> Bearcat !   help me help the next guy.
[07:10] <TTvive> ..
[07:10] <Bearcat> intelikey: Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[07:10] <Bearcat> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[07:10] <Bearcat> Release:        7.04
[07:10] <Bearcat> Codename:       feisty
[07:10] <intelikey> ok  thank you.
[07:10] <Bearcat> intelikey: i will. for sure
[07:11] <intelikey> so that issue is in a konq update in fiesty ?     there will be lots of people asking about it then...
[07:12] <Hardy_> !konq-bug
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konq-bug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <bradsnet> ...okay, how can I get that to my system from just a console?
[07:12] <intelikey> that bug need marked "serious"    or higher.
[07:12] <Hardy_> The bot is Still in commmittee. The channel will have to relay the info manually.
[07:12] <Hardy_> The workaround is easy, but not easy ti guess.
[07:13] <brian__> Just to clarify, Hardy doen't make me horny in a "gay" way, just in a "get to know my OS better way".
[07:13] <intelikey> Hardy_ i don't expect that before tomarrow.
[07:13] <Hardy_> How much karma would I get if I fixed that bug?
[07:14] <intelikey> brian__ isn't that about enough.
[07:14] <Hardy_> Hell it's probably already fixed, but still in some elaborate code-review testing procedure.
[07:14] <intelikey> Hardy_ prolly
[07:14] <brian__> ?
[07:15] <Hardy_> So where is my motivation to contribute to the project ?
[07:15] <intelikey> did we burry bradsnet   and his driver issue ?   or did he get it fixed ?
[07:17] <brian__> Is "intelikey" your family name?
[07:19] <brian__> urrrp
[07:19] <brian__> urrrp
[07:19] <Bearcat> ok, we're still not getting email in kmail, but i can verify through the ISP imap that it *is* getting through
[07:20] <Bearcat> it's just not showing up in kmail;
[07:20] <Biovore> Bearcat: works here..  I have serverial imap email accounts..
[07:21] <bradsnet> burried.
[07:21] <Bearcat> Biovore: yeah, but kmail is not downloading from those accounts.
[07:21] <bradsnet> kinda
[07:21] <bradsnet> I reconfigured again and tried to match the settings in the xorg.conf biovore sent me.
[07:22] <bradsnet> And I'm back to the blinking cursor.
[07:22] <Biovore> bradsnet: lsmod | grep nvidia
[07:23] <brian__> jewno i dink ju no wut i mejn
[07:23] <bradsnet> I see nvidia 6837140 0
[07:23] <bradsnet> i2c_core 22656 2 i2c_ec,nvidia
[07:23] <blober> which app do you use in kubuntu to edit mpeg video files. Like simple cut, this, fade that. and glue this
[07:23] <Hardy_> knemo isn't installed by defalut ?!
[07:23] <Biovore> bradsnet: ok so the driver looks like its loaded..
[07:23] <bradsnet> apgart 35400 2 nvidia,intel_agp
[07:24] <bradsnet> er agp
[07:24] <bradsnet> Yeah, when it wasn't loading I think I was getting the no video at all... now I'm getting a cursor... hey, I wonder if now it's outputting to the wrong screen, one sec....
[07:25] <Biovore> bradsnet: try a ctrl-alt-f7
[07:25] <Biovore> or a ctrl-alt-f1
[07:25] <bradsnet> well that's how I'm getting to a console now....
[07:26] <Biovore> you getting any errors?
[07:27] <bradsnet> heh, the blinking cursor is on both screens.
[07:27] <bradsnet> No errors.
[07:27] <bradsnet> f1 goes to console 1, f7 goes back to the blinking cursor.
[07:27] <Biovore> what does it say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:27] <Biovore> yeah.. no X-server is running if your seeing the blinking cursor..
[07:28] <Hardy_> What does the ctl-alt-f8 say ? Mine says starting kdm...etc
[07:28] <Biovore> bradsnet: you have xterm installed?
[07:28] <bradsnet> blinking cursor in f8, don't have xterm... I don't think.
[07:28] <Biovore> You doing that xinit thing?
[07:28] <intelikey> bradsnet word,  "don't burn your self out on this one thing.   set it to nv and use it a while then attack it again at another date,  when you are fresh and want the challange.    one can easily let the one misconfigured/borked/or hosed  app become an opsession, and waste needless hours on nothing."    the half hour came and went!
[07:29] <Biovore> bradsnet: that xinit thing requires xterm.. might need to do a "sudo apt-get install xterm"
[07:29] <bradsnet> well, xinit does something, but nothing good.
[07:30] <bradsnet> uh, in the log I have that failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module.
[07:30] <Biovore> any more detail?
[07:30] <bradsnet> Later it says screens found but none have usable configuration.
[07:30] <Biovore> hmm
[07:30] <Biovore> you change up the resolutions in the xorg.conf file to match your monitor?
[07:30] <brian__> The kubunto logon screen is offensive to me because I was told Germans made the first version of kbuntu and I'm confused because I've dated Germans who are circumsized just like me.
[07:32] <Biovore> bradsnet: might need to update your monitor section as well
[07:34] <_aaa> /msg nickserv IDENTIFY <696186202>
[07:34] <bradsnet> Just for kicks when I reconfigured I turned on all the resolutions it had listed, still no dice.
[07:34] <bradsnet> 1920x1200 is the native resolution of my display though.
[07:35] <Biovore> silly
[07:35] <bradsnet> I really just need that and 1024x768 though.
[07:35] <bradsnet> silly?
[07:35] <Biovore> same here..  I am on a dell laptop with a nvidia 1920x1200 as well
[07:35] <Biovore> the _aaa guy
[07:35] <bradsnet> oh
[07:35] <Bearcat> yanno, since i can connect to my isp;s imap and i can send, i suspect they may behaving problems with thier pop3 server
[07:35] <bradsnet> oh heh, did he just send his password?
[07:36] <Biovore> maybe...
[07:36] <bradsnet> oh well
[07:37] <intelikey> i don't think nickserv will accept a passwd beginning with <> or !
[07:37] <Biovore> bradsnet: if you set the driver to "vesa" dose it work then?
[07:37] <Biovore> intelikey: I think your right..
[07:37] <bradsnet> Well it works when I set it to nv.
[07:37] <bradsnet> I could try vesa if you think it would help....
[07:37] <intelikey> it wont help
[07:38] <Biovore> well thats good.. your xorg is probably ok..
[07:38] <Biovore> could try a reboot if you havn't done that already..  the ubuntu's nvidia install does everything in Threaded Local Storage schmantics
[07:38] <Biovore> so you have to make sure that one weird service is started to setup those links..
[07:39] <Bearcat> well folks, thanks so much for the help. I'm outta here.
[07:39] <intelikey> Bearcat welcome
[07:39] <bradsnet> I'v ebeen rebooting between almost everything I've done.
[07:39] <Biovore> ok..
[07:39] <prak> !ask
[07:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:39] <Bearcat> *scampers off*
[07:39] <prak>  i have a problem with installing piklab; i'm running kubuntu 7.04. i've tried to install piklab-0.14.5-1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm and then use alien to convert it to deb file from piklab's sourceforge webiste, but i can't run the program after installation
[07:40] <prak> the output is shown in http://www.pastebin.ca/677618
[07:40] <prak>  i have also installed all the dependencies as described in the online documentation in http://piklab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compilation_for_Linux
[07:41] <Biovore> prak: when you use alien to move the rpm to deb.. you lost all the dependency info.. you have manual handle that now..
[07:41] <Biovore> prak: the error you got is because something is missing from the install.. (Probably a dependency)
[07:41] <bradsnet> nvidia's stuff?
[07:42] <Biovore> bradsnet: I don't use ubuntu's packaged nvidia driver..
[07:42] <Biovore> bradsnet: I goto nvidia.com and download there thing and compile the kernel interface and install it..
[07:42] <bradsnet> Yikes.
[07:42] <intelikey> park why didn't you try the   --scripts  switch as perscribed by the app  ?
[07:42] <intelikey> line 3 on your pastebin park
[07:42] <bradsnet> I assume they have instructions?
[07:43] <Biovore> bradsnet: There is a readme that sorta discribes it.. it not hard.. you just have to know a little bit about how to compile stuff..  I think there are howtos on the forums
[07:44] <Biovore> bradsnet: basicly all you need on ubuntu to the kernel-headers and build-essential packages
[07:44] <Biovore> bradsnet: then run there installer
[07:44] <Biovore> bradsnet: but before going to that.. you should uninstall ubuntu's nvidia driver thing..
[07:44] <Hardy_> Can you people see youtube videos ?
[07:44] <Biovore> bradsnet: make sure you purge the package as well.. it will mess everything up..
[07:45] <intelikey> bradsnet i.e.   bash nvidia*.run      to run the installer
[07:45] <Biovore> bradsnet: if you don't
[07:45] <Biovore> Hardy_: yup
[07:45] <Biovore> Hardy_: firefox and konqueror here..
[07:45] <Biovore> <-- 32bit feisty
[07:45] <intelikey> !flash | Hardy_
[07:45] <ubotu> Hardy_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:45] <bradsnet> I would love to do that... but now.... nv isn't working for me anymore... . :(
[07:46] <Hardy_> I've installed gnash
[07:46] <bradsnet> okay, got it working again... that scared me.
[07:46] <Biovore> Hardy_: yeah.. gnash dosn't really work all that good..
[07:46] <intelikey> bradsnet run the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh    again. and it should.
[07:46] <Biovore> Hardy_: there is flash9 for linux
[07:46] <intelikey> oh i'm late.  sorry
[07:46] <Biovore> lol
[07:46] <Hardy_> So now, instead of saying I need to install a flash player, it just spins and spins, without playing.
[07:47] <Hardy_> Right. That was my question. Which one works..
[07:47] <Biovore> Hardy_: yeah.. gnash does weirdness..
[07:47] <Biovore> I use flash9 here.. works on google video and youtube
[07:47] <intelikey> !Gnash
[07:47] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[07:47] <Hardy_> I had gnash work on another distribution though (Sidux)
[07:47] <prak> Biovore: are you talking about "piklab: error while loading shared libraries: libpcreposix.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?
[07:48] <Biovore> prak: yup.. that looks like a dependency
[07:48] <Biovore> is missing
[07:48] <prak> i checked on adept and i can't find that file
[07:48] <intelikey> it looks to me like the "postinst" script didn't run because it wasn't converted.
[07:48] <Biovore> prak: yeah.. adept is packages.. not files..
[07:49] <Biovore> prak: try.. packages.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <Biovore> prak: I think you can search for files in packages there..
[07:49] <intelikey> sudo alien --scripts piklab-0.14.5-1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm     and reinstall it.
[07:49] <Biovore> well its not a script problem..
[07:49] <Biovore> you looses dependency info when you alien a rpm
[07:50] <prak> Biovore: the problem is that I've had a lot of problems installing from the tarball provided as well
[07:50] <Hardy_> BUMMER: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer.
[07:50] <Biovore> prak: you have all the development tools installed?
[07:51] <prak> Biovore: yes
[07:51] <prak> Biovore: all the development tools listed on http://piklab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compilation_for_Linux anyway
[07:52] <Biovore> prak: also I found your missing dep probably..  apt-get install libpcre3-dev
[07:52] <Biovore> prak: sudo apt-get install libpcre3
[07:53] <Biovore> that rpm should work now..
[07:53] <prak> Biovore: i've already installed libpcre3-dev and libpcre3
[07:53] <Biovore> what was the name of the dep?
[07:53] <Biovore> might need a symlink.. version numbers might missmatch..
[07:53] <Biovore> so.9?
[07:54] <prak> libpcreposix.so.9
[07:54] <prak> i meant libpcreposix.so.0, Biovore
[07:54] <level1> hi guys, I have two programs that both want to use oss, teamspeak 2 and counterstrike source on wine.  I want to be able to hear sound from both of them at the same time, but I can't
[07:54] <Biovore> prak: ok that would be the problem.. you have libpcreposix.so.3
[07:55] <prak> Biovore: how would i fix the problem?
[07:55] <Biovore> prak: sudo ls -s /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.3 /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.0
[07:55] <Biovore> the program is looking for .so.0  we have .so.3
[07:55] <Biovore> ours is new version..
[07:55] <Biovore> then what its looking for..
[07:55] <intelikey> you mean   ln
[07:55] <Biovore> should still work though..
[07:55] <Biovore> yeah ln
[07:56] <Biovore> prak: s/ls/ln
[07:56] <prak> Biovore: what do you mean by s/ls/ln?
[07:56] <Biovore> :-)
[07:56] <Biovore> regular expresion for replace
[07:56] <Biovore> ls is replaced by ln
[07:57] <Biovore> its on of the unix nerd things..
[07:57] <Biovore> (one)
[07:57] <intelikey> but ignores the missing .deb postinst script that would have probably linked that lib for him....
[07:57] <bradsnet> ...what is the name of the libc package?
[07:57] <intelikey> idk.
[07:57] <prak> Biovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677630 shows the output
[07:57] <Biovore> It wouldn't link it..
[07:57] <Hardy_> brb
[07:57] <Biovore> prak: do those file exists?
[07:57] <intelikey> bradsnet libc6
[07:58] <Biovore> intelikey: I think libc6 is on ubuntu by default..
[07:58] <Biovore> libpcre3 needs it as a dep
[07:58] <intelikey> Biovore and ?
[07:58] <prak> Biovore: don't think so
[07:58] <prak> i've just checked
[07:58] <Biovore> prak: you installed libpcre3 ?
[07:59] <bradsnet> Is the "libc development package" something seperate, because the nvidia deal says I don't have it.
[07:59] <intelikey> bradsnet yes
[07:59] <Biovore> bradsnet: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:59] <intelikey> libc6-dev
[07:59] <Biovore> ^ add that
[08:00] <prak> Biovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677632 shows that libpcre3 is installed
[08:00] <Biovore> prak: ls /usr/lib | grep libpcre
[08:00] <Biovore> should see a bunch of them..
[08:01] <Biovore> alot of stuff uses that package
[08:01] <prak> Biovore: i see a bunch of them
[08:01] <Biovore> so there should be one called libpcreposix.so.3
[08:01] <prak> and i see libpcreposix.so.3
[08:01] <Biovore> yes that the dep
[08:01] <bradsnet> Restarting now, I'm about to see if that worked.
[08:02] <Biovore> but you need make a symlink to it called libpcreposix.so.0
[08:02] <Biovore> ^ that the name that app is looking for..
[08:02] <Biovore> we have .3 it wants .0
[08:02] <Biovore> A symlink is a bit like a short-cut
[08:03] <prak> ok
[08:03] <bradsnet> And after all that it's back to cursor blinkyness.
[08:03] <intelikey> could hard link them, then dpkg wouldn't break the package on the next update...
[08:03] <prak> Biovore: should sudo ls -s /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.3 /usr/lib/libcreposix.so.0 do it?
[08:04] <hangthedj> ln
[08:04] <Biovore> I think.. I might the operands backwards.. and its ln not ls
[08:04] <intelikey> backwards ?  no
[08:04] <Biovore> could be.. I didn't type it in or anything..
[08:05] <intelikey> ln [options]  existing link.name
[08:05] <Biovore> ok I guess thats right then..
[08:05] <bradsnet> Going back to nv I guess.....
[08:06] <prak> Biovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677635
[08:06] <prak> looks like it still wants the old one
[08:07] <bradsnet> I'm gonna have to give up on this for now. Thanks for trying biovore.
[08:07] <intelikey> bradsnet hate to hear it.  but like i said,  don't burn out on it.   there's always another day to play computer engineer
[08:07] <Biovore> prak: ldd piklab
[08:07] <bradsnet> heh, late again.
[08:07] <prak> Biovore: output: "ldd: ./piklab: No such file or directory"
[08:08] <bradsnet> But, one more thing I want to try tonight... someone linked me to something before about a package to install for common media codecs... anyone have that link?
[08:08] <Biovore> prak: where is piklab ?
[08:08] <Biovore> in /usr/bin ?
[08:08] <Biovore> ldd <path>/piklab
[08:08] <intelikey> park  or no path even
[08:09] <hangthedj> is this right? 'patch file.cpp file.patch'
[08:09] <prak> Biovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/677641 shows the output
[08:10] <Biovore> prak: sudo ldconfig -v
[08:10] <Biovore> prak: that will update the linker cache..
[08:10] <Biovore> then try again..
[08:11] <intelikey> ldd is a bash script...    bah.
[08:11] <Biovore> prak: this looks kinda cool..  Looks like no one has made a deb for it.. Sounds like a project.. :-)
[08:11] <prak> Biovore: doing so right now
[08:11] <prak> how hard is it to make a deb for it?
[08:11] <Biovore> intelikey: ldd <-- dynamic linker
[08:11] <prak> i saw some articles on ubuntu wiki
[08:11] <Biovore> links the deps into a runnable executable
[08:12] <intelikey> Biovore  file /usr/bin/ldd
[08:12] <intelikey> ldd is a bash script...    bah.
[08:12] <Biovore> ?
[08:12] <Biovore> if you type ldd on the console.. what you get?
[08:12] <Biovore> I get the dynamic linker
[08:13] <Biovore> ldd --version
[08:13] <prak> Biovore: should i restart my computer?
[08:13] <Biovore> no
[08:13] <Biovore> no need.. wouldn't fix anything..
[08:14] <prak> b/c piklab still won't start
[08:14] <Biovore> still saying can't fine those deps?
[08:14] <intelikey> grep -nie 'dynamic linker' /usr/bin/ldd
[08:14] <intelikey> 23:# run-time dynamic linker as a command and setting the environment
[08:14] <intelikey> 178:      # the dynamic linker.
[08:15] <tommymann> does anyone know how to reprogram the mouse buttons?
[08:15] <Biovore> ah.. your saying /usr/bin/ldd is a script..
[08:15] <Biovore> tommymann: yes..
[08:15] <prak> Biovore: piklab: error while loading shared libraries: libpcreposix.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:15] <Biovore> you can remap your buttons with xmodmap
[08:15] <prak> that's the output
[08:15] <Biovore> prak: rgr.. so its still not finding the dep..
[08:15] <tommymann> thanks
[08:15] <Biovore> well I guess we can try the other approach and install from source..
[08:16] <prak> Biovore: we could try the tarball again
[08:16] <Biovore> prak: ok so looking at the install requirments.. its a kde applications right..
[08:16] <prak> and there's another rpm that uses Qt to make and install
[08:16] <Biovore> Qt --> kde app
[08:16] <intelikey> errr ummm  did i stutter or something?  <intelikey> ldd is a bash script...    bah.  <intelikey> Biovore  file /usr/bin/ldd    </blinks>
[08:16] <prak> i think it's a kde application
[08:17] <prak> Biovore: looking at http://piklab.sourceforge.net/download.php
[08:17] <prak> anyway
[08:17] <tommymann> do you know how to turn off the scroll bar as a button
[08:17] <tommymann> scroll wheel
[08:17] <Biovore> prak: well you will probably need the following packages..  apt-get install kde-devel libqt3-mt-dev
[08:18] <Biovore> tommymann: yeah.. look into xmodmap
[08:18] <intelikey> !mouse
[08:18] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:18] <Biovore> google xmodmap
[08:18] <tommymann> I've got xmodmap up
[08:18] <tommymann> but I can't make much sense of it
[08:19] <tommymann> I see plenty on how to add extra buttons
[08:19] <tommymann> but not how to remove a button on ubuntu forums
[08:19] <Biovore> tommymann: xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"
[08:20] <intelikey> can't reverse engineer the process ?    i'll go look
[08:20] <tommymann> that just flips the buttons around
[08:20] <tommymann> I'm on a laptop and I'm getting tired of pasting things when I accidently hit the scroll thing
[08:21] <Biovore> disabling a buttion would be more xorg driver thing..
[08:21] <tommymann> I'm looking at the xmodmap manual and don't see anything about removing buttons
[08:22] <Biovore> tommymann: you can specify the number of buttons on the mouse in the xorg config file..
[08:22] <raynerd> anyone know if there is an edubuntu channel?
[08:22] <Biovore> #edbuntu ?
[08:22] <WaltzingAlong> !scanner
[08:22] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[08:22] <tommymann> ok I'll look that up
[08:22] <Biovore> tommymann: there is also an option to disable emulateWheel
[08:22] <tommymann> will that get rid of the scroll wheel
[08:23] <tommymann> I want it to scroll
[08:23] <tommymann> just not copy and paste
[08:23] <tommymann> or whatever strange function it does
[08:23] <Biovore> you mean the highlight and paste thing?>
[08:23] <tommymann> that's probably it
[08:23] <intelikey> the !mouse page explains that pretty well.
[08:24] <wolferine> what is NAT, on server, exactly ? just used to assign IPs to LAN computers ?
[08:24] <tommymann> where is the !mouse page
[08:24] <intelikey> !mouse
[08:24] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:25] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto <<< have a read,  the wheel is buttons 4 and 5
[08:25] <Biovore> wolferine: NAT -- Network Address Translation
[08:25] <Biovore> basicly it allows you to share 1 IP with a network..
[08:25] <holycow> hi guys
[08:25] <intelikey> holycow
[08:26] <holycow> does kde have an applet that allows you to rotate x via randr like in gnome?
[08:26] <Biovore> rotate x?
[08:26] <holycow> im clicking but not finding it
[08:27] <holycow> yup rotate
[08:27] <NickPresta> holycow, I don't know of a GUI interface to randr
[08:27] <intelikey> holycow xrandr is avalable
[08:27] <Biovore> you mean rotate the hole screen..
[08:27] <holycow> i have a umpc with a qtablet feature and that is very busefull
[08:27] <holycow> yes maybe proper name is xrandr
[08:27] <intelikey> !info xrandr
[08:27] <ubotu> xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[08:28] <NickPresta> just install gnome-randr-applet.
[08:28] <tommymann> thanks intelikey and Biovore
[08:28] <holycow> i have that was cuous if kde had someting native
[08:29] <prak> Biovore: i'll msg you again after the installation is done
[08:29] <prak> it's going to take a while b/c of my slow laptop
[08:30] <intelikey> !info xserver-xorg
[08:30] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1320 kB
[08:30] <intelikey> i like that.   "is optional"  :)))
[08:32] <intelikey> makes for a nice clean system    :)
[08:32] <underdog5004> I can make my kernel, but when I do make install, it says 'Fatal: open /dev/: Is a directory
[08:32] <underdog5004> how can I fix this?
[08:33] <intelikey> underdog5004 you using a chroot ?
[08:33] <underdog5004> yep
[08:33] <intelikey> mkdir -p /dev    in the chroot
[08:34] <intelikey> like if the dir aint there make it...
[08:34] <underdog5004> there's already a /dev. This isn't kubuntu related...just linux in general
[08:35] <underdog5004> oh, hold on...the guide only says to config and compile, not to install...maybe that comes later
[08:36] <prak> Biovore: done installing kde-devel and libqt3-mt-dev
[08:38] <Biovore> prak: ypu using the C18 compiler?
[08:39] <prak> Biovore: where do you see i need a c18 compiler?
[08:40] <Biovore> I'll take that as a no then..
[08:40] <Biovore> c18 compiler is a compiler from microchip for compiling c code for the pic18 series if I am not mistaken..
[08:40] <Biovore> I have used that before..
[08:42] <prak> Biovore: i haven't used that before
[08:42] <prak> but i think i would need it
[08:42] <prak> b/c i'm programming on a pic18f microcontroller
[08:42] <raynerd_> guys, has anyone modified a live disk before?
[08:42] <Biovore> prak: ok... you do know the c18 compiler isn't free..
[08:43] <raynerd_> I`m a teacher and want to run edubuntu live with my class, but I want to totally remove the install option off the CD
[08:43] <Biovore> prak: well basicly it dosn't really mater..  just need wine-dev if you do..
[08:43] <Biovore> but I think sdcc does pic
[08:43] <Biovore> ^ better option of open ness
[08:43] <prak> ok
[08:44] <prak> sdcc does pic as well, although i don't know how
[08:44] <prak> i've been having problems with the pickit2 program in windows
[08:44] <prak> that's why i'm switching my development to linux
[08:44] <Biovore> ok..
[08:44] <raynerd_> Anyone help with my modification of a live CD to remove the install, please?
[08:45] <Biovore> well I havn't mucked with sdcc so you'll be on our own there..
[08:45] <hangthedj> anybody know what package has kde4-config in it?
[08:45] <Biovore> non
[08:45] <Biovore> e
[08:45] <Biovore> kde4 isn't part of ubunut
[08:45] <raynerd_> :-( anyone!?
[08:45] <Biovore> raynerd_: I know it can be done.. I havn't messed with it though..
[08:46] <hangthedj> there are a whole lot of kde4 packages in gutsy
[08:46] <raynerd_> right OK, anyone else?
[08:46] <raynerd_> I go back to work on Monday and want to use it with my class but don`t dare with the install button there!!
[08:46] <prak> Biovore: should i try to install the tarball now?
[08:47] <Biovore> yes.. I am going to build it as well..  Find it kinda intressting..
[08:47] <Biovore> prak: you might need to apt-get install the sdcc compiler as well
[08:49] <Biovore> prak: ./configure --prefix=/opt/piklab/
[08:49] <Biovore> or --prefix=/usr/bin
[08:49] <Biovore> second probably easier and quicker
[08:52] <Biovore> looks like its building here..
[08:52] <Biovore> then again.. I do qt4 development stuff on here..  So I have all deps probably..
[08:54] <prak> Biovore: should i type in the command on the extracted contents of the tarball?
[08:56] <Biovore> prak: yeah..  tar -xvzf <filename>
[08:56] <Biovore> prak: then ./configure --prefix=/usr/bin
[08:56] <Biovore> then make
[08:56] <Biovore> seems to be working here..
[08:56] <Biovore> well.. I am missing on dep it looks like..
[08:57] <raynerd_> I`m really confused...new linux user. I`ve just downloaded something and it has come int wo files. .deb and .tar. How do i actually install it, just double click them?
[08:58] <Biovore> .deb is like a .msi
[08:58] <Jucato> !deb | raynerd_
[08:58] <ubotu> raynerd_: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[08:58] <Biovore> basicly it a binary ready to go..
[08:58] <Biovore> raynerd_: a .tar file a zip file with source code in it..
[08:58] <raynerd_> right, whats the tar
[08:58] <Biovore> tar - tape archive
[08:58] <Jucato> source code
[08:58] <Jucato> you need to compile it most probably
[08:58] <Jucato> (well, not 100% accurate but...)
[08:58] <raynerd_> ahh right, so i do need them both, but need to double click just the .deb
[08:59] <prak> Biovore: i have trouble even unzipping
[08:59] <prak> http://www.pastebin.ca/677675
[08:59] <Biovore> prak: need to come up with a libhistory for this thing to work.. looking for it right now..
[08:59] <Jucato> raynerd_: usually you don't need the both. but what are you trying to install?
[08:59] <raynerd_> UCK - Ubuntu custom live CD install program
[09:00] <raynerd_> to help me customise a live CD
[09:00] <Jucato> oh...
[09:00] <Biovore> prak: sudo apt-get install libreadline5-dev   <-- missing dep I found
[09:00] <raynerd_> jucato: i want to try and remove the install function off a live cd
[09:00] <Biovore> prak: try tar -xvjf
[09:01] <Biovore> z is for .gz and j is for bz2
[09:01] <Jucato> raynerd_: hm.. don't they have detailed instructions on what to do? usually you don't need both .deb (pre-compiled binary installer) and .tar.gz (usually contains source code you need to compile yourself)
[09:03] <raynerd_> jecato: i`ve click install and it seems to be doing its job! fingers crossed!!
[09:03] <Jucato> good luck...
[09:03] <raynerd_> yes! hurraaa its installed
[09:04] <raynerd_> what is a desktop environemnt?
[09:04] <raynerd_> environment?
[09:05] <Jucato> !kde
[09:05] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[09:05] <Jucato> !desktop environment
[09:05] <Jucato> hm...
[09:05] <Jucato> !desktop
[09:05] <ubotu> A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[09:05] <Jucato> there
[09:05] <boubbin> is (k)ubuntu's live cd setup able to resize existing ntfs partitions if they have free space ?
[09:05] <raynerd_> :-S
[09:05] <Biovore> the buttons you press the window handles..  Thats the windows manager also know as the desktop
[09:06] <ardchoille> That's an error.. IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM are not desktop environments
[09:06] <Jucato> er.. Window Manager isn't the Desktop Environment...
[09:06] <Biovore> xwindows is the thing that takes messages from the desktop and renders them on the screen
[09:06] <Jucato> that's also not complete :)
[09:06] <Biovore> boubbin: In theory yes..  I havn't used it in a while..
[09:06] <raynerd_> ahh right, so what differences happens if i change the desktop environment
[09:06] <ardchoille> True
[09:06] <ardchoille> Jucato: iirc, the only desktop environments are gnome, kde and cde
[09:06] <Biovore> raynerd_: well the desktop will look different.. there just programs your running..
[09:06] <Jucato> ardchoille: xfce
[09:07] <raynerd_> like whats the difference between if i choose gnome and KDE
[09:07] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, yes
[09:07] <Biovore> raynerd_: yes.. those are 2 different desktops
[09:07] <Jucato> ardchoille: there are some more, but a bit incomplete at this stage
[09:07] <lazz__> raynerd_, they have different advantages
[09:07] <lazz__> and usability
[09:07] <raynerd_> so what is the difference
[09:07] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah, there's a nice one in the repos, but it's still aplha
[09:07] <krowe> @raynerd try installing them both and looking at each one
[09:07] <raynerd_> ahh right, so they physically give you difference accessability to programs?
[09:07] <Biovore> one uses qt for the windoing widgets and the other uses gtk
[09:07] <Jucato> raynerd_: well, they have different looks & feel, different ways of doing things, different default apps, different features
[09:07] <krowe> @raynard that is the best way to get an idea
[09:07] <Biovore> raynerd_: yeah.. thats the goal of a window manager
[09:08] <Jucato> Biovore: er no...
[09:08] <raynerd_> right right, so its like the user interface?
[09:08] <Biovore> give you access to your programs
[09:08] <prak> Biovore: when i typed in the configure command, there's a message in the end that says C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:08] <Jucato> raynerd_: it is the graphical user interface
[09:08] <ardchoille> raynerd_: Keep in mind that desktop environments also have included window managers
[09:08] <raynerd_> AHHHH !
[09:08] <Biovore> prak: you have a c++ compiler installed?
[09:08] <Biovore> prak: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:08] <ardchoille> prak: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:09] <Biovore> ^ thats it
[09:09] <raynerd_> sorry, crap noob question but gotta ask. How do i know which desktop environment i`m using now
[09:09] <Jucato> ardchoille: desktop environment = an environment (interface) that lets you use your desktop... to put it simply
[09:09] <raynerd_> sorry, total linux noob
[09:09] <Biovore> prak: I got it to build here..
[09:09] <ardchoille> Jucato: Right
[09:09] <krowe> !kubuntu
[09:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[09:09] <krowe> !ubuntu
[09:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <raynerd_> i`m using Edubuntu
[09:09] <ardchoille> raynerd_: Never be sorry for being a noob, we all were there at one time too :)
[09:09] <Jucato> ardchoille: oops sorry that wasn't for you hahah
[09:09] <krowe> !edubuntu
[09:09] <ubotu> Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org
[09:09] <Jucato> raynerd_: desktop environment = an environment (interface) that lets you use your desktop... to put it simply
[09:10] <Biovore> prak: ./configure --prefix=/usr
[09:10] <Jucato> raynerd_: if you don't mind a bit of reading I'll try to get you some links
[09:10] <krowe> that is gnome i believe
[09:10] <raynerd_> please
[09:10] <ardchoille> raynerd_: http://xwinman.org
[09:10] <Jucato> http://xwinman.org/intro.php
[09:10] <Biovore> www.freedesktop.org
[09:10] <raynerd_> right, i`ll give it a read!
[09:10] <Jucato> what the?!?! fd.o for a newbie?!?!
[09:11] <Jucato> have mercy on him Biovore :)
[09:11] <Jucato> raynerd_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[09:11] <ardchoille> lol
[09:11] <raynerd_> right thanks....can I just ask 1 last question then i must go:
[09:11] <Jucato> ardchoille: there's Mezzo too, but it's development is stalled last I checked
[09:11] <Jucato> (too bad though)
[09:11] <ardchoille> Yeah, sad
[09:12] <raynerd_> what would be the best interface for an educational view.
[09:12] <ardchoille> raynerd_: That is personal opinion right there, you should really try out some ui's and see which works best for you
[09:12] <Jucato> the best would be the one that lets you do what you want, the way you want it :)
[09:12] <Jucato> !best
[09:12] <raynerd_> I want to use it for my class....was really confused, Edubuntu has all the edu programs installed when running it live, but install it and they all dissapear and u have to d/l them off the net
[09:12] <Jucato> bot lag... :/
[09:13] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:13] <Jucato> there
[09:13] <raynerd_> right ok, i`m with you
[09:13] <Jucato> raynerd_: ask #edubuntu what happens. but I don't think that should be
[09:13] <holycow> raynerd_: test,test, test
[09:13] <holycow> then test some more
[09:13] <ardchoille> raynerd_: The live cd's serve two purposes: 1. they let you "try before you buy", although it is free and 2. they serve as an installer.
[09:14] <raynerd_> no, basically i only used it because it had them all on the CD and at the time didnt have a net connection to install them! When i installed it, it was actually just same as  Ubuntu
[09:14] <Biovore> prak: Well I am going to bed here..  But I did get it to build..
[09:14] <holycow> at least here you can take it for aride
[09:14] <holycow> no 30 dfay limited trials and garbage like that
[09:14] <prak> Biovore: thanks for your help
[09:14] <prak> on the progress right now
[09:14] <raynerd_> ardchoille: my school will not let me install them on the machines, would you not advise I run it live as a perminant usage with my students??
[09:15] <prak> Biovore: configure went well
[09:15] <Jucato> raynerd_: there's a problem with these live cd's. most of them don't save changes you made when you reboot
[09:15] <Jucato> so you get a fresh new environment everytime
[09:15] <raynerd_> yes I see!
[09:15] <ardchoille> raynerd_: You can run it live.. the only problem is that any changes (tweaks, installs) will be gone when you reboot because the entire system runs from ram.
[09:15] <krowe> that is a good thing for what he wants
[09:16] <krowe> i say that is a good plan raynerd
[09:16] <arctanx> plus you want to turn on the computers five minutes before class
[09:16] <raynerd_> i realised that. I just want my students to be able to use the programs available and open them up to free source
[09:16] <ardchoille> raynerd_: Although I carry a livecd everywhere I go and save stuff on a usb key :)
[09:16] <Biovore> prak: if you get and error about -l<something>   its looking for a lib<something>  use packages.ubuntu.com and search for lib<something> in the packages and install what it returns..
[09:16] <raynerd_> yes, they all have USB keys anyway! so no need for personal space and to connect to the network!
[09:17] <Jucato> but you should also provide a way for the students to save their work to a USB or hard drive...
[09:17] <Jucato> there good
[09:17] <raynerd_> besides connecting to the network take literally about 10 minutes, so its actually quicker to boot the live cD
[09:17] <Biovore> prak: I know your going to need libreadline-dev for libhistory (-lhistory)
[09:17] <prak> Biovore: right now during make, i'm getting a whole series of recurring error messages
[09:17] <arctanx> "they're good" and "you're going to need"
[09:17] <ardchoille> One cool feature to the *buntu livecd's would be to grab $HOME from a usb key during boot up.
[09:18] <Biovore> !compiling
[09:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:18] <raynerd_> ardchoille: explain more
[09:18] <Biovore> !compiling | prak
[09:18] <ubotu> prak: please see above
[09:18] <Jucato> raynerd_: he means being able to save customizations and changes on a usb
[09:18] <Jucato> and treat the usb as if it were the /home directory of the student
[09:19] <Jucato> or user
[09:19] <raynerd_> ahh right....I see I see, so it would update updates lol off a usb key
[09:19] <raynerd_> explain how i would do that
[09:19] <ardchoille> raynerd_: Some live cd's (I think knoppix does it) can search for a usb key during boot up and grab personal files /home/username from it and anything you put in $HOME gets saved to the usb key automatically.
[09:19] <Biovore> prak: might want to install kdevelop3 and kdevelop3-dev
[09:19] <Biovore> anyway night guys
[09:19] <arctanx> raynerd_: you wouldn't be able to without hacking the livecd since it doesn't do it by default
[09:19] <holycow> you can setup your own livecd to do thbat
[09:19] <Jucato> ardchoille, raynerd_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence
[09:19] <raynerd_> yes, would it be possible
[09:19] <Jucato> haven't tested that though
[09:19] <raynerd_> ak cheers
[09:19] <ardchoille> Jucato: W00T! Thanks!
[09:20] <Jucato> raynerd_: not without some changes here and there
[09:20] <Jucato> ardchoille: heh been in the wiki for a long time. see it mentions dapper? :)
[09:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: Doesn't work with 7.04 or 7.10rc*
[09:20] <Jucato> [15:19]  <Jucato> haven't tested that though
[09:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: The problem is *I* haven't been in the wiki for a while
[09:21] <Karti> ardchoille: Just noticed that you mentioned - CDE a desktop environment - could you use that with an Ubuntu distro? Its been a while, I would not mind a laugh ;)
[09:21] <Jucato> Karti: I doubt you could use it on any Linux distro at all :)
[09:21] <ardchoille> Karti: iirc, CDE is proprietary and you have to pay for it.
[09:21] <ardchoille> Karti:  http://xwinman.org/cde.php
[09:21] <Jucato> it's also Unix-only afaik
[09:21] <Karti> I have used it with SOlaris and AIX
[09:21] <Jucato> those are Unixes :)
[09:22] <Karti> but I am not sure is Solaris 10 comes with Gnome as standard
[09:22] <ardchoille> I think solaris is a free download, tho
[09:22] <Jucato> CDE, the grand daddy of all DE's
[09:22] <Jucato> opensolaris yes
[09:22] <ardchoille> yeah
[09:22] <Jucato> Karti: perhaps Nexenta comes with GNOME by default
[09:22] <Karti> yes, they are.....though still come with 5 install cds me thinks, (last time I looked)
[09:22] <ardchoille> I thought CDE was default on solaris
[09:22] <julius> does adept_manager crash often for anyone>
[09:22] <Jucato> er it should... it's Ubuntu on Solaris... :/
[09:23] <krowe> ardchoille: that link you gave has a bunch of screenshots of it running in Linux
[09:23] <Jucato> julius: not often. though it did this morning, but I'm on gutsy
[09:23] <ardchoille> !fixadept | julius
[09:23] <ubotu> julius: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:23] <[1] PeterBz> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=luxEJK9fNCQ
[09:23] <Karti> We still use it at work........why!
[09:24] <Karti> ardchoille: I know we used to change it to Gnome, from CDE but its been that long since I actually played Solaris
[09:30] <julius> do you guys know any good kde msn clients?
[09:30] <julius> aMSN is great features wise but its so slow
[09:30] <Jucato> kopete?
[09:30] <ardchoille> kopete
[09:30] <julius> kopete doesnt cut it for me
[09:30] <wasser> gaim
[09:30] <arctanx> pidgin works fine on KDE :P
[09:30] <Jucato> heh
[09:30] <arctanx> well I take that back. it still has the odd crash, but it does that on gnome too
[09:30] <julius> pigdin sounds good
[09:31] <arctanx> gaim's where the stability's at
[09:31] <ardchoille> julius:  apt-cache search msn | more
[09:31] <ardchoille> There are a few
[09:31] <julius> gdamn it adept crashed again
[09:31] <ardchoille> !info ayttm
[09:31] <ubotu> ayttm: Universal Instant Messaging Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.6+34-3 (feisty), package size 1849 kB, installed size 5000 kB
[09:32] <ardchoille> command line is faster and doesn't crash ;)
[09:32] <arctanx> hehe if that's the way you like it
[09:32] <arctanx> !info bitlbee
[09:32] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 308 kB, installed size 780 kB
[09:32] <julius> ardchoille: lol i just realised that
[09:33] <ardchoille> julius: "apt-cache search appname" for searching and "apt-cache policy packagename" for seeing what, if any, version is installed.
[09:34] <julius> ive also had konquerer lock up on me before causing me to have to restart the x thing
[09:34] <Jucato> why doesn't kaddressbook display how many contacts there are and how many are selected?!?! *grumbles*
[09:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Feature request!
[09:37] <Jucato> ardchoille: at this point in time, it would most probably be useless/too late
[09:38] <Jucato> (though something as basic as that should be included right?)
[09:39] <blober> I have done an app, which i will present tomorrow. That is open source to me, but i have not done any thing to formalize that it it open source. What do I have to do in order for it to be _formally_ open source?
[09:40] <arctanx> blober: well open source just means you give the source code to the application to whomever you give the compiled form as well
[09:40] <julius> put it on source forge maybe? and put the GPL somewhere
[09:40] <julius> in a file
[09:40] <raynerd_> Trying to install flashplayer 9. Downloaded tar, extracted to desktop, then it says type in ./flashplayer-installer   but it says no such file or directory exists!!!
[09:40] <arctanx> you need license it with a Free license for it to be the FOSS which everyone gets excited about
[09:41] <blober> what is a FOSS?
[09:41] <Jucato> blober: www.opensource.org
[09:41] <arctanx> google or wiki is probably your friend here
[09:41] <Jucato> FOSS = Free and Open Source Software
[09:42] <Jucato> the "formal" requirements for an open source app is having an open source license, one approved by the OSI
[09:42] <Jucato> or better yet, GPL'ed
[09:42] <Jucato> GNU Public License
[09:42] <blober> yes, but how do i link this app with such a licence
[09:42] <Jucato> huh?
[09:42] <raynerd_> Can i make a huge contrivershal point here.....this linux marlaky is 10x less user friendly than windows based system!!!
[09:43] <blober> just by putting a .txt file with a copy of the licence on the .zip file?
[09:43] <raynerd_> i`m really struggling! :(
[09:43] <nogdog21> anyone know the tmd-movies channel name?
[09:43] <Jucato> blober: there should be COPYRIGHT file there, and in the user interface as well I think. in the About stuff
[09:43] <blober> raynerd_: be nerd enough
[09:44] <raynerd_> yes, i guess! It must really take some learning to become ofey with it all
[09:44] <Jucato> raynerd_: um... just because you are struggling doesn't make it a general truth for the whole world?
[09:44] <blober> Jucato: ok, i have put it on the about.. licence, i'll see what i got there
[09:44] <raynerd_> haha very funny! I can see most people I know crashing and burning quicker than me!!!
[09:44] <hangthedj_server> raynerd_: are you running ./install_flash..blah from your Desktop, or the flash directory?
[09:44] <raynerd_> desktop
[09:44] <hangthedj_server> the tar file makes a new directory, you need to run it from that directory
[09:45] <raynerd_> laughing at the thought of switching parents, grandad and g/friend over to linux !!
[09:45] <raynerd_> ahh i seeeeee
[09:45] <raynerd_> let me try!
[09:45] <Jucato> raynerd_: just think if those people you mentioned actually do the things you are having difficulty with right now?
[09:46] <arctanx> raynerd_: the other thing is how easy you would have found windows if you were experimenting with it now having used linux ever since you had a pc ;)
[09:46] <raynerd_> yes yes, I accept that last point totally!   I didnt understand your first comment!
[09:46] <bgt421> hi, I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu, and have a quick question. I'm trying to install kubuntu to my single harddrive and dual boot with what I assume is an XP/Dell boot partition, recovery partition, and XP partition. Is it possible for me to install kubuntu to a logical extended partition, or must the root directory be on a primary partition?
[09:46] <Jucato> anyway, we have a channel for this kinds of um... "rants"/complaints. it's #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:46] <arctanx> bgt421: You sure can put it on a logical partition, but you'll need to install grub in your MBR
[09:47] <hangthedj_server> yeah, everytime someone is like, hey i got a new gf, is she powered by linux?  if the answer is no, i tell them to get rid of her
[09:47] <Jucato> bgt421: Linux isn't picky. logical or primary, it will install
[09:47] <Jucato> master or slave for that matter.
[09:47] <flaccid> whereis im picky as
[09:47] <bgt421> will the install handle the MBR mess for me? I tried an early fedora core install once and cooked my mbr and that was a mess
[09:47] <blober> Jucato: well, it is not on the same format, but this are the words on the licence dialog on the about dialog of the help menu: http://paste.milk-it.net/642
[09:48] <blober> is that enough?
[09:48] <arctanx> bgt421: It sure can. And even if it botches it up, booting from a dos cd and doing an fdisk /mbr will put it back to whatever windows had
[09:48] <raynerd_> jucato - it isn`t a rant or complaint, you made me back up my point it was a comment. I`m willing to learn, just saying it is a hell of a lot harder to use than I expected!!
[09:48] <bgt421> is that all I had to do to fix it the last time? :)
[09:48] <nogdog21> anyone know the channel name for TMD-movies please?????????
[09:48] <arctanx> bgt421: It should have been. There are only so many things you can do with an mbr
[09:48] <hangthedj_server> nogdog21: sorry i have no idea, i only know 2 channels here, ubuntu-offtopic and kubuntu
[09:48] <arctanx> grub-install hd0, or fdisk /mbr. That's about it.
[09:49] <arctanx> well, /dev/whatever
[09:49] <flaccid> or fixmbr
[09:49] <Jucato> bgt421: never had a problem with the GRUB installation. detected windows perfectly
[09:49] <yamal> blober: if you are releasing your program under the GPL, take a look at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[09:49] <nogdog21> there site is down so it blows and im new to linux
[09:49] <bgt421> is fixmbr a linux cmd or dos?
[09:49] <hangthedj_server> whats faster, in anyones opinion, vmware or virtualbox?
[09:49] <Jucato> blober: looks ok. but you should really be consulting with a licensing lawyer/expert about these kind of things
[09:49] <flaccid> its command prompt win nt
[09:50] <bgt421> excellent. Thanks all for your help!
[09:50] <raynerd_> Still cant install this flash player 9 ! Got the .tar on the desktop. How do I extract it, when i right click i get lots of options
[09:50] <Jucato> huh? what?
[09:50] <Jucato> raynerd_: are you on a 64-bit machine?
[09:51] <blober> Jucato: thanks for your advise, but i am not looking forward to paying to get no monney ;-)
[09:51] <raynerd_> no
[09:51] <raynerd_> haha don`t think so :-(
[09:51] <Jucato> raynerd_: um... just install "flashplugin-nonfree" and you're done
[09:51] <flaccid> !flash
[09:51] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:51] <Jucato> no need to download tarballs or anything
[09:51] <raynerd_> lmao !!
[09:51] <raynerd_> right !! i`m with you
[09:51] <raynerd_> :(
[09:52] <Jucato> raynerd_: I was wondering what you've been trying to do
[09:52] <flaccid> flash 9 support is pretty good
[09:52] <hangthedj_server> raynerd_: open a konsole: ALT+F2 konsole, 'cd /~Desktop, tar -xvf tar.file.tar.gz
[09:52] <raynerd_> install flash. Tryed to watch some stuff on youtube and it said i needed to install flash 9
[09:52] <Jucato> blober: well, if you're expecting to earn money from open source software, it's better you get everything right the first time. anyway, maybe not a lawyer, but perhaps in a place/channel/forum with more knowledgeable people
[09:53] <NickPresta> !flash | raynerd_
[09:53] <ubotu> raynerd_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:53] <Jucato> raynerd_: what web browser are you using? Firefox or Konqueror? anyway, just install the package I told you and you're good to go :)
[09:53] <hangthedj_server> vmware's site is slow.
[09:53] <martinez> leave
[09:53] <flaccid> how you going jucy
[09:53] <Jucato> still juicy hehehe
[09:54] <flaccid> its like jooky
[09:54] <Jucato> heheh :)
[09:54] <flaccid> im on livecd as i dropped my notebook and damaged hdd. lots of fun
[09:54] <Jucato> ouch!
[09:55] <Jucato> :(
[09:55] <flaccid> it shows that at least the rest of the hardware is ok
[09:55] <raynerd_> ahh, are these .deb files ment to be nice and easy to use. How does all this equate to a windows style fat install
[09:55] <Jucato> raynerd_: too make your life easier in Linux, before you go off wandering in the Web for software you want installed, you should first check our software repository if we already have them for your convenience
[09:56] <Jucato> raynerd_: there are 3 ways to install software on (most) Linux
[09:56] <blober> Jucato: i meant 'not earn money', but you said 'earn money' with open source software. is that common?
[09:56] <flaccid> raynerd_: yes. no make sense.
[09:56] <raynerd_> yes it does! I`m getting there! Its hard after 10 years of microsoft
[09:56] <raynerd_> so, how do I access a repositry or see what is available?
[09:57] <flaccid> raynerd_: just have a look in adept_manager
[09:57] <Jucato> raynerd_: Add/Remove Programs or Adept Manager
[09:57] <flaccid> or browse http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <flaccid> and also apt:/ in konqi
[09:57] <raynerd_> right ok, like I know i need to download flashplugin-nonfree
[09:57] <Jucato> raynerd_: in Add/Remove programs, just search for Flash and you'll see.
[09:58] <raynerd_> but it doesnt show where i d/l it. Or do i not... Sorry, its just all above me at present. Right ok
[09:58] <blober> raynerd_: have you not seen Adept or synaptic, one of them are on your K Menu -> System
[09:58] <hangthedj_server> raynerd_: depending on what version of kubuntu you have, if you open konqueror and go to a flash site, it will install flash for you.
[09:58] <raynerd_> edubuntu 7.04
[09:58] <raynerd_> ok let me look
[09:59] <Jucato> raynerd_: a repository is a database full of software that has been prepared for Ubuntu/Kubuntu. You download the software from there and it installs it for you. You don't need to find out where to download it from
[09:59] <Jucato> btw, there's an #edubuntu channel too
[09:59] <raynerd_> i know, no one is in there who is active "!
[09:59] <raynerd_> ok searched in add/remove. Nothing came up. I`ll look for this adept
[09:59] <blober> is there a #earn money possible with oss channel too?
[10:00] <flaccid> add/remove programs is pretty cool
[10:00] <blober> no, if you have synaptic, you have no adept, i think
[10:00] <Jucato> raynerd_: if you're using Edubuntu, there's no Adept Manager. it uses GNOME. which is closer to #ubuntu
[10:00] <Jucato> raynerd_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[10:00] <blober> raynerd_: its one or the other usually
[10:00] <hangthedj_server> synaptic
[10:00] <flaccid> !find adept
[10:00] <ubotu> Found: adept, adept-batch, adept-common, adept-installer, adept-manager (and 2 others)
[10:01] <raynerd_> i got a synaptic package manager?
[10:01] <flaccid> !info adept-manager
[10:01] <ubotu> adept-manager: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu26.1 (feisty), package size 719 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[10:01] <flaccid> you could install it
[10:01] <hangthedj_server> with edubuntu it should already be installed.
[10:01] <blober> raynerd_: look in your system menu, and find out if you have synaptic or adept
[10:01] <flaccid> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:01] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[10:01] <raynerd_> cant see adept, but i have synaptic
[10:01] <Jucato> ugh.. choir practice...
[10:01] <blober> they are almost the same thing
[10:01] <flaccid> so need to enable multiverse for that package
[10:02] <blober> sorry...
[10:02] <blober> have fun, i have to sleep at least 1 hour today
[10:02] <raynerd_> hehe, ok sorry, sound like a prat. Got it open and i guess i searcg?
[10:02] <flaccid> point is.. use whatever you want to install it via the repos and make sure multiverse is enabled
[10:02] <flaccid> yep ray
[10:03] <blober> bye and thanks for all tips
[10:03] <hangthedj_server> i don't like adept, because if you install something that uninstalls something important, it doesn't tell you, it just does it, no prompting.
[10:03] <hangthedj_server> synaptic is one of the first things i install on kubuntu
[10:03] <raynerd_> HOLY CRAP !! thats amazing. So basically all software made will become available in this synaptic manager???
[10:04] <arctanx> raynerd_: ya that's the point :P
[10:04] <hangthedj_server> well, not windows.
[10:04] <ardchoille> raynerd_: All apps which are in the repos, yes
[10:04] <raynerd_> Thats awesum!!
[10:04] <arctanx> Most useful programs which are free and open source wind up in there
[10:04] <hangthedj_server> although i think if you search ms-office, openoffice pops up
[10:04] <raynerd_> right right ight....it was my fault. Been searching the net for software and not finding anything. Makes sense now
[10:04] <hangthedj_server> ;)
[10:05] <raynerd_> hehe kool
[10:05] <flaccid> repos is good
[10:05] <raynerd_> HAHA its worked!! YouTube is running! wagooo
[10:05] <arctanx> keep in mind that this software won't hang around if you're using livecds, raynerd_
[10:06] <raynerd_> yes yes, sorry. This is for my laptop. I`ve installed edubuntu there. My live cd was for use with the class
[10:06] <arctanx> good, just making sure :)
[10:06] <raynerd_> yes lol
[10:07] <raynerd_> I did ask this earlier, no reply, maybe someone could answer this time
[10:07] <ardchoille> raynerd_: good rules for a stable system: First, use the repos.. if you can't an app there, look for a .deb that was made for ubuntu.. if you can't find it there, compile.. if you can't do that, look for another app that does the job. Never use rpm's or deb's made for other distros.
[10:08] <arctanx> raynerd_: and you might skip to the second or third options if you want a newer version than is in the repos. Often they're a bit behind, either because the maintainer's slack or they're waiting for the bugs to be ironed out
[10:08] <raynerd_> when I ran edubuntu live off the Cd yesterday for the first time It contined loads of installed educational programs, however when I ran the install off the Cd they were not included. As it happened I had a net connection so just clicked on them in add/remove but just wondering why
[10:09] <raynerd_> right, ok thanks
[10:09] <arctanx> I think someone pointed you to #edubuntu. Did that help?
[10:10] <ardchoille> raynerd_: I think all of the live cd's are like that.. they are intended to "show off" the distro. installing is just an apt-get install away anyway
[10:10] <raynerd_> but they are available to install on Ubuntu, so why bother with edubuntu
[10:10] <raynerd_> see what i mean.
[10:10] <raynerd_> arctanx: sorry, yes should use over there, waiting for 30mins but noone was online/activer
[10:11] <ardchoille> raynerd_: edubuntu (like all the *buntu's) contains a certain set of apps.
[10:11] <raynerd_> are you using ubuntu 7.04 then ardchoille?
[10:11] <ardchoille> kubuntu 7.04
[10:12] <raynerd_> right, in applications -> education -> kalzium can u see that?
[10:12] <raynerd_> if you go add/remove - can you see and have an option to d/l kalzium ?
[10:12] <ardchoille> No, there are no education apps here because I used kubuntu, not edubuntu.. remember that "certain set of apps"?
[10:13] <ardchoille> yes, it's in the repos.. I can see it
[10:13] <raynerd_> yes thats my point, but you have the option to install Kalzium yes?
[10:13] <raynerd_> and educational app
[10:13] <raynerd_> an not and
[10:13] <ardchoille> Yes, I can install the same apps you can install
[10:14] <raynerd_> exactly, thats what I am saying, edubuntu didnt come with them installed so as far as I can see it was no different than ubuntu
[10:14] <ardchoille> All the *buntu's use the same repos/mirrors, it's just the installed system that is different.
[10:14] <ardchoille> Ahy, ok, I see what you mean
[10:14] <flaccid> talk to edubuntu
[10:14] <raynerd_> yes perfect! the install didnt contain the apps! i had to install ontop! They are on the live CD !!! not on the install though
[10:14] <raynerd_> yes ok
[10:15] <raynerd_> i`ll shut up now! :-P
[10:15] <ardchoille> lol
[10:15] <raynerd_> thanks for the help everyone, may be back soon
[10:15] <raynerd_> infact probably will be lol
[10:15] <raynerd_> taraa
[10:26] <burnie> hallo jemand da der mir eventuell helfen knnte ? hab ein problem mit meiner windows partition
[10:27] <Jucato> !de
[10:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:27] <z_> Hi
[10:27] <z_> Is there someone ?
[10:27] <NiceGuyUK> Anyone know why KDevelop cannot find aclocal, even though its installed?
[10:28] <burnie> ah thx
[10:28] <flaccid> z_: there is 332 someone
[10:29] <Jucato> er.. did I say I was going to sleep? O.o
[10:30] <ardchoille> I must have misread, sorry
[10:30] <NiceGuyUK> Jucato: trying them now, just not as many ppl in there ;)
[10:30] <Jucato> [16:01]  <Jucato> ugh.. choir practice...
[10:30] <ardchoille> [01:03]  * Jucato goes too
[10:30] <Jucato> ardchoille: to choir practice :)
[10:30] <ardchoille> Ah, choir practice, ok
[10:30] <Jucato> glad it was cancelled hahahha
[10:30] <ardchoille> hehe
[10:31] <Jucato> NiceGuyUK: true that... but they might know better though
[10:34] <BrightEyes`> my sound card is ALi M5455. i can hear music from the speakers ,i can hear my voice speaking in the mic but i cant record.anyone to help?
[10:35] <NiceGuyUK> Jucato: my bad, was a (nested) broken symlink (although apt created it, not me :P )
[10:35] <Jucato> :)
[10:36] <NiceGuyUK> in fact, aptitude has made a mess of automake generally. I fix aclocal and now it can't find automake
[10:36] <NiceGuyUK> grr
[10:36] <prak> i've successfully configured the installation make file of http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138852
[10:36] <prak> tarball
[10:37] <Jucato> NiceGuyUK: I think you just need to have the right version of atuomake installed. not really sure though
[10:37] <Jucato> (the other problem was autoconf)
[10:39] <NiceGuyUK> Jucato: I think cos somehow I've ended up with two versions of auto* and its trying to symlink them through /etc/alternatives
[10:39] <prak> but I'm having trouble in the make process as shown: http://www.pastebin.ca/677726
[10:39] <prak> it says i'm having problems with automake-1.9
[10:39] <prak> but i can't find it
[10:40] <NiceGuyUK> prak - you running that as root?
[10:40] <flaccid> prak: looks like you might need to make under root
[10:40] <hangthedj_server> prak, you may have to link it.  do ls /usr/bin/automake -lh
[10:40] <Jucato> NiceGuyUK: hm... not sure about automake, but for autoconf, autoconf and autoconf2.13 are mutually exclusive. if you have 2.13 installed, the system defaults to that and you can't set it through /etc/alternatives
[10:40] <hangthedj_server> and see what it links too
[10:40] <hangthedj_server> to
[10:41] <NiceGuyUK> hangthedj_server: yeah, my symlinks for automake were broken too
[10:42] <NiceGuyUK> Jucato: now it works, I just gotta take a crash course in SDL development ;-D
[10:42] <Jucato> :)
[10:43] <Jucato> good luck
[10:47] <prak> handthedj_server: do you mean ln /usr/bin/automake -lh?
[10:48] <hangthedj_server> prak: no do just what i said, or ls -lh /usr/bin/automake
[10:49] <hangthedj_server> prak: or ls -lh /usr/bin/autoconf
[10:52] <prak> hangthedj_server: here are the printouts with your commands: http://www.pastebin.ca/677733
[10:53] <prak> still having trouble with the make though
[10:53] <ardchoille> prak: What kind of trouble?
[10:53] <ardchoille> prak: And what are you compiling?
[10:54] <hangthedj_server> prak: ok try ls -lh /usr/bin/automake*
[10:54] <hangthedj_server> or try searching... 'aptitude search automake'
[10:54] <hangthedj_server> and install the version your missing.
[10:55] <deviance> Damn KDE delays :(
[10:55] <ardchoille> deviance: kde 4. ?
[10:55] <deviance> Yeah
[10:55] <deviance> http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Richard+Johnson%3A+KDE+4.0+-+The+Stocking+Stuffer/bk9u8
[10:56] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:56] <ardchoille> Saw that in the rss feed
[10:58] <deviance> Impacts kubuntu :(
[10:58] <deviance> Mind you it will impact every KDE distro
[10:59] <runlevelten> What if you're neither "aw shucks" or "told you so", because you bothered to read anything about KDE 4 in the last year?
[11:00] <ardchoille> deviance: Well, I don't plan to upgrade until the next LTS release, so it should have it by 8.04
[11:00] <deviance> Same here ardchoille I am still on the last LTS :P
[11:00] <runlevelten> KDE 4 is kind of cool. The new kwin is the absolute roxor.
[11:01] <ardchoille> Dapper is darn nice.. never seen such a nice distro. They did an excellent job on it.
[11:01] <deviance> What is kwin?
[11:01] <runlevelten> effects integration in KDE ftw.
[11:01] <ardchoille> kwin is the window manager for kde
[11:01] <deviance> Ah cool
[11:01] <deviance> I always liked the konqueror
[11:01] <prak> ardchoille: i'm having trouble installing the extracted tarball of piklab from its sourceforge sit
[11:01] <runlevelten> kwin is the kde window manager, and it has lots of cool features you lose when you run compiz-fusoin or whatever.
[11:01] <Jucato> O.o
[11:02] <ardchoille> runlevelten: those "effects" are the first thing I'm going to turn off or rip out when I get it
[11:02] <Jucato> konqueror = file manager/web browser. kwin = window manager...
[11:02] <runlevelten> But the new one integrates desktop effects without silliness.
[11:02] <prak> ardchoille: i think i'm compiling qt code or something
[11:02] <prak> but not certain
[11:02] <Jucato> 2 different things you can both love at the same time :)
[11:02] <runlevelten> ardchoille: teh scale extension is invaluable if you have a lot of windows and desktops open for work.
[11:02] <runlevelten> kubuntu is completely broken WRT to them though.
[11:03] <ardchoille> alt+tab is all I need.
[11:03] <deviance> Oh I see
[11:03] <deviance> Sorry i miss read it.
[11:03] <deviance> Whats the new file manager?
[11:03] <Jucato> Dolphin
[11:03] <ardchoille> dolphin
[11:03] <Jucato> new "default", but Konqueror is still there
[11:03] <deviance> Ah yes
[11:03] <Jucato> to serve as the default web browser and "alternative" file manager. still installed by default
[11:04] <ardchoille> Jucato: That should solve the "same bookmarks in the fm and wb" problem
[11:04] <deviance> I haven't used Kubuntu in so long, my linux PC has been broken, so I'm out of touch
[11:04] <runlevelten> dolphin doesn't shadow 10% of konqy's power so far, so meh @ it.
[11:04] <deviance> But as soon as my new power supply comes, I'm in the game :P
[11:04] <ardchoille> does dolphin have a tabbed ui?
[11:04] <deviance> I don't suppose any of you know muhc about Raid?
[11:04] <Jucato> runlevelten: that's perfectly fine. dolphin isn't meant to be as full-featured as konqueror
[11:04] <Jucato> ardchoille: no
[11:04] <runlevelten> It's pathetic. It's like trying to browse your file system with a minesweeper game.
[11:04] <ardchoille> Jucato: It doesn't?! Well, I won't be using it then
[11:04] <runlevelten> No, it's worse than that, it's like _nautilus_
[11:04] <Jucato> (ok here we go again...)
[11:05] <runlevelten> As long as there's choice. Easily confused people can choose a less powerful software to stop their brains hurting, and the majority of users will still use konqueror happily I expect :)
[11:06] <ardchoille> runlevelten: true
[11:06] <underdog5004> konq's ok...but I like firefox...
[11:06] <underdog5004> just thought I'd let everyone know what I like
[11:06] <Jucato> dolphin isn't for everybody, just as konqueror isn't for everybody. if you need/want konqueror, then use it.
[11:06] <underdog5004> I like dolphin for file browsing, no question. It seems a lot lighter than konqueror
[11:06] <raynerd_> sorry quicky, anyone using Knversation? If i want to go to channel ##chemistry  in theb
[11:07] <raynerd_> freenode netwrork, what do i do?
[11:07] <underdog5004> raynerd_, /join ##chemistry
[11:07] <runlevelten> Indeed, Jucato. Choice is what it's all about. It's not as if anyone needs protecting from choices, is it?
[11:07] <runlevelten> :)
[11:07] <Jucato> runlevelten: Gutsy uses Dolphin by default
[11:07] <ardchoille> raynerd_: You can just click on the channel -> #ubuntu  and it'll take you there
[11:07] <runlevelten> raynerd_: click on the name you posted.
[11:07] <Jucato> I don't completely agree though... the KDE 3 version is far behind the KDE 4 version... it's not a fair comparison
[11:07] <raynerd_> haha! fab.
[11:07] <raynerd_> How did it know it was freenode network
[11:08] <underdog5004> ah, I haven't tried kde4...no test machines atm
[11:08] <Jucato> raynerd_: because you are on freenode already
[11:08] <runlevelten> Jucato: I'm switching away for KDE at my next OS upgrade methinks. I'll still use/support kubuntu for s.a.g., but I've had kubuntu for work.
[11:08] <Jucato> Dolphin on KDE 3 <------------------------------------------------------------------> Dolphin in KDE 4
[11:08] <Jucato> big gap
[11:08] <underdog5004> almost a chasm
[11:08] <hangthedj_server> i like how in konqueror, i could probably type pizza:/my_address and i would get a pizza
[11:08] <ardchoille> Let's hope dolphin on kde 4 has a tabbed ui
[11:09] <Jucato> hangthedj_server: those are called kioslaves. any KDE app can use that. of course, dolphin uses it
[11:09] <Jucato> ardchoille: already told you. it won't :P
[11:09] <Jucato> (which is why I won't be using it much)
[11:09] <ardchoille> same
[11:09] <ymsg> hey ubotu
[11:09] <ardchoille> !bot
[11:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:09] <runlevelten> well, you say any app. Sometimes they won't.
[11:09] <ymsg> how are you ubotu
[11:10] <ardchoille> ymsg: it's a bot
[11:10] <hangthedj_server> Jucato: i know what a kioslave is :p
[11:10] <Jucato> runlevelten: of course the app needs to support the correct kioslave... I doubt man:/ would be useful in Kaffeine
[11:10] <pfinn> it could read the man page to you ^^
[11:10] <ardchoille> hahaha
[11:11] <Jucato> O.o
[11:11] <Jucato> that would be amarok... but yeah...
[11:11] <ardchoille> Wow, pfinn, talk about lazy
[11:11] <runlevelten> I got told off by an irate client whose backup app (I forget what it was) wouldn't work over bluetooth obex
[11:11] <ymsg> wtf is a bot
[11:11] <ymsg> machine a robot
[11:11] <ardchoille> it's an irc bot
[11:11] <Jucato> !ubotu | ymsg
[11:11] <ubotu> ymsg: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:13] <ymsg> ok ubotu
[11:14] <runlevelten> !botsnack
[11:14] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:14] <runlevelten> !sco
[11:14] <ardchoille> hahaha
[11:14] <ubotu> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!!!!
[11:15] <runlevelten> et cetera.
[11:15] <hangthedj_server> !windows
[11:15] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:16] <Jucato> !botabuse
[11:16] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:16] <Jucato> ok, play nice. :)
[11:17] <runlevelten> I don't think that's right, windows is just some generic noun, not some kind of brand.
[11:17] <prak> handthedj_server: http://www.pastebin.ca/677744
[11:17] <prak> still have trouble installing automake
[11:17] <runlevelten> What if someone wants help with their wm? tut.
[11:17] <ardchoille> Sure, Juan, sure..
[11:17] <Jucato> !window
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about window - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <Jucato> bah nvm :P
[11:18] <runlevelten> heh
[11:18] <ardchoille> Isn't automake part of autotools?
[11:18] <ymsg> run you also a bot
[11:20] <raynerd_> can I ask what it means if you have an unmasked ip?
[11:20] <prak> !windows
[11:20] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:21] <prak> !microsoft
[11:21] <prak> !linux
[11:21] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[11:21] <prak> !microsoft
[11:21] <prak> !redhat
[11:21] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[11:21] <raynerd_> someone was being a prat in IRC, I said something and he said "ur the one with the unmasked IP" what does that mean?
[11:22] <raynerd_> anyvone?
[11:22] <underdog5004> raynerd_, probably that he could view your ip address
[11:22] <runlevelten> ymsg: I am runlevel, know-nothing human being. You can browse my brain at my .plan - Usage info: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/worship.html
[11:22] <ymsg> ubotu french room pls
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about french room pls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <runlevelten> *runlevelten even.
[11:22] <prak> ubotu
[11:23] <prak> ubotu windows
[11:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:23] <ymsg> kubutu in french
[11:23] <prak> !ubotu
[11:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:23] <ymsg> ubotu  give me the french bubuntu
[11:23] <ymsg> kubuntu
[11:24] <prak> does anyone know how to get over the problem with automake in http://www.pastebin.ca/677744?
[11:25] <hangthedj_server> prak: your installing automake-1.9, remove the -, sudo apt-get install automake1.9
[11:29] <drif> anyone here using slimserver?
[11:32] <dhq> is there any speech recognition tool for linux
[11:34] <dhq> !speech
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <dhq> !recognition
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recognition - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <combo> why always when i'm trying to overwrite a text file 'name.txt', it saves an extra file called 'name.txt~' ? how can i turn off this option ?
[11:37] <prak> hangthedj_server, and then what do i do?
[11:37] <Suara> just wanna know if the latest version has a defualt driver for manage wifi wpa connections
[11:37] <Suara> without not much complication
[11:37] <adilson> how do I change resolution in kde environment? I just cnat find the option
[11:37] <Suara> thx u.
[11:38] <adilson> anyone?
[11:38] <adilson> !resolution
[11:38] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:39] <ardchoille> !info krandr
[11:39] <adilson> how do i chnage resolution in kde environment using kcontrol
[11:39] <ubotu> Package krandr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:39] <prak> !pikdev
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pikdev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <prak> !info pikdev
[11:39] <ubotu> Package pikdev does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:40] <ardchoille> adilson: kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Monitor & Display ?
[11:41] <adilson> : tried that by seraching through google and the option is not available
[11:41] <ardchoille> :(
[11:42] <adilson> ardchoille: kcontrol is kde control center right?
[11:43] <adilson> how can I not have monitor option in peripherals? its just so annoying
[11:43] <ardchoille> adilson: yes
[11:43] <ardchoille> adilson: Which version of kde?
[11:43] <ardchoille> kde 3.5.6 here
[11:44] <dhq> is there any speech recognition tool for kubuntu
[11:44] <adilson> ardchoille: isnt there something else i can use cause I have no clue how the OS cna show graphics without it having monitor reslotuion settings available
[11:44] <Suara> ardchoille,  just wanna know if the latest version has a defualt driver for manage wifi wpa connections
[11:44] <ardchoille> Suara: I don't know, never used wifi
[11:44] <adilson> ardchoille: yeah ive got kde 3.5.6
[11:45] <ardchoille> adilson: There is a way to change resolution but it involves editing xorg.conf and restarting x
[11:45] <ardchoille> !fixres | adilson
[11:45] <ubotu> adilson: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:45] <prak> are you still there hangthedj_server?
[11:45] <adilson> ardchoille: i was hoping not to do that guess im stuck
[11:45] <Suara> anyone can say me if t is possible to manage wpa wifi with  a default driver???
[11:45] <ardchoille> adilson: :(
[11:45] <ardchoille> !wiki
[11:45] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[11:45] <ardchoille> !wifi
[11:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:46] <Suara> ubotu, so by default, you are not able to connect a wpa wifi yes?
[11:46] <ardchoille> !bot
[11:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:49] <prak> after installing automake, i have tried to run make and make install after configuring the make file successful for a piklab tarball file
[11:49] <prak> couldn't find any errors in make, but having some problems with the man directory with "make install"
[11:49] <prak> http://www.pastebin.ca/677765
[11:50] <ardchoille> prak: You shouldn't be running make with sudo anyway, you only need sudo for makeinstall
[11:51] <prak> ardchoille: but sudo in make shouldn't have any affect
[11:51] <prak> or does it?
[11:51] <llutz> prak: try to avoid make install, use at least checkinstall to build a dirty .deb
[11:52] <ardchoille> prak: I was always told that using root privs with make is a bad idea, try it without sudo
[11:52] <prak> ok
[11:52] <ardchoille> And, while checkinstall is good, I found it to work less than half the times I used it.
[11:53] <prak> i don't really care how i install it
[11:53] <prak> i need something that works
[11:53] <prak> shouldn't have to spend hours installing this problem
[11:53] <prak> *program
[11:54] <ardchoille> Well, that's what can happen when the app isn't in the repos
[11:57] <prak> llutz: how do i use checkinstall to build the .deb?
[11:58] <ardchoille> prak: Once you have it installed: man checkinstall
[11:58] <llutz> prak "sudo atpitude install checkinstall"
[11:58] <ardchoille> It has a bunch of options
[11:58] <ardchoille> Or you can ask llutz, lol
[11:58] <llutz> ardchoille: i won't read the man-page loud for him :)
[11:59] <prak> i don't know even half of what the definitions mean
[11:59] <llutz> prak: use "sudo checkinstall"  instead of "sudo make install" then, that would create a .deb and try to install it
[12:00] <ardchoille> prak: No space in checkinstall
[12:01] <ardchoille> It'll try to make a .deb.. if it's successful, it'll install the deb and leave a copy for your future use
[12:01] <prak> didn't look like it worked
[12:01] <ardchoille> My guess is it won't be successful with piklab
[12:01] <llutz> if make install fails, checkinstall fails too
[12:01] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:01] <prak> http://www.pastebin.ca/677776
[12:02] <llutz> prak: that was no solution for your install-problem, more a hint for better software-installation
[12:02] <prak> llutz: you meant checkinstall?
[12:02] <ardchoille> prak: I have a feeling there is a problem in the sources
[12:02] <llutz> prak: yes
[12:03] <prak> ardchoille: you mean there could be a problem with the tarball itself?
[12:03] <prak> Biovore managed to compile and install the program
[12:03] <ardchoille> If you can't get make to complete successfully, then both make install and checkinstall will fail
[12:03] <ardchoille> prak: Ask Biovore how he did it
[12:03] <llutz> prak: check the pathes. /usr/bin/man/man1 seems to be wrong
[12:04] <llutz> prak: default is /usr/share/man/...
[12:04] <ardchoille> llutz: I think that's comming out of the ./configure script, tho
[12:04] <bfernandez> buenas
[12:04] <llutz> ardchoille: then he has to change it
[12:04] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:04] <bfernandez> algien con error en composite
[12:04] <LinuxAddict> Question, how do I erase recent history in Totem, or can i disable that feature?
[12:04] <bfernandez> ATI
[12:04] <ardchoille> !es | bfernandez
[12:04] <ubotu> bfernandez: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:05] <bfernandez> sorry
[12:05] <prak> thanks for your help ardchoille adn llutz
[12:05] <ardchoille> :)
[12:05] <prak> i'll try removing some files and unzip the tarball again
[12:05] <prak> and ./configure again
[12:05] <benedikt> hi
[12:05] <ardchoille> prak: You're going to have to fix the man path problem too
[12:05] <bfernandez> i have problem with my Ati Radeon 9550 composite
[12:06] <bfernandez> can i help me
[12:06] <ardchoille> !search 9550
[12:06] <ubotu> Found:
[12:06] <prak> ardchoille: how would you suggest fixing the man path problem?
[12:06] <prak> change the path?
[12:06] <ardchoille> !ati | bfernandez
[12:06] <ubotu> bfernandez: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:06] <bfernandez> two error in  - 1 second
[12:06] <bfernandez> i don't found this problem
[12:06] <ardchoille> prak: You see what llutz said about /usr/share/man?
[12:07] <LinuxAddict> Question, how do I erase recent history in Totem, or can i disable that feature?
[12:07] <bfernandez> hola
[12:07] <prak> yes
[12:07] <prak> ardchoille
[12:07] <ardchoille> You can't create /usr/bin/man/man1  if  /usr/bin/man doesn't exist. You need to change the man path in the configure script
[12:08] <ardchoille> It's been years since I had to compile anything, so I don't remember much of how to write configure scripts.
[12:08] <ardchoille> Plus I hate autoconf
[12:08] <llutz> ardchoille: gnaaa, don't mess up your system with those strange directories... better use prefix=/usr/local  then
[12:09] <ardchoille> llutz: exactly
[12:09] <bfernandez> :(
[12:09] <bfernandez> :_(
[12:09] <ardchoille> bfernandez ?
[12:10] <ardchoille> bfernandez: Did you read that webpage ubotu sent you?
[12:12] <ardchoille> Time for bed, back later.
[12:14] <llutz> prak have you read this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123481
[12:20] <raynerd_> anyone explain what a Kernal actually is?
[12:21] <llutz> raynerd_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29
[12:21] <multiservers> !xerces
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xerces - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <multiservers> can someone help me install: xerces-c-src_2_8_0
[12:22] <multiservers> i need it for my MTA:SA Server (www.mtasa.com)
[12:24] <oslo> hi on feisty fsck get stuck at boot time, but the fsck from the live dc gutsy tribes 2 is working, how could i update my fsck to gutsy one ???
[12:39] <Karti> Hi all, what is the Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin that I require for Kb3, Cheers (I did have it but I lost it :( )
[12:41] <llutz> libk3b2-mp3
[12:42] <Karti> llutz: absoltuly many thanks
[12:42] <llutz> Karti: "aptitude search k3b mp3" helps a lot ;)
[12:43] <Karti> lol :(
[12:43] <Karti> since you mentioned it......I normally use apt-get etc is the aptitude the same or a different process?
[12:44] <llutz> Karti: aptitude is the recommended tool for debian. it has a few more options and some advantages compared with apt-get
[12:45] <llutz> Karti: you shouldn't use both mixed, that may bring some trouble
[12:45] <Karti> llutz: cool, I have mixed and matched before, depending on the website I got data from, but am now happy to stick with aptitude - many thanks
[12:54] <dhq> is there any good speech recognition software for kubuntu
[12:55] <llutz> dhq: sphinx2-bin - speech recognition utilities
[12:55] <dhq> llutz, well i dont know how to use it
[12:55] <dhq> all it does is listen
[12:56] <llutz> dhq: me too, i never used such software. but it's the only one in the repos
[12:56] <erphan> can i install ubuntu packages on kubuntu?
[12:56] <soa2ii> Hi... wtttttttttttttttttttttttf issssssssssssssssssssssss wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwrong with my pc?
[12:56] <soa2ii> you see                       my keaboard eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrors
[12:56] <soa2ii> i am typingggggggggggggggggggggggg normal
[12:57] <Tm_T> soa2ii: wireless?
[12:57] <soa2ii> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii trieddddddddddddddddddddddddd a console
[12:57] <soa2ii> everythin ok
[12:57] <soa2ii> Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim no
[12:57] <soa2ii> knopppppppppppppppppppppppppix everithinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng ok
[12:57] <erphan> can i install ubuntu packages on kubuntu?
[12:57] <soa2ii> kubuntttttttttttttttttttttttu thissssssssssssssssssssssss here
[12:57] <Tm_T> erphan: Kubuntu is Ubuntu
[12:57] <soa2ii> i aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalready reiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinstalled kubuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuntu twice
[12:57] <soa2ii> i alway have thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhis probleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem
[12:58] <erphan> Tm_T,so i can , yes ?
[12:58] <dhq> soa2ii, your keyboard must be screwed
[12:58] <Tm_T> erphan: well you already have done it, so yes ;)
[12:58] <soa2ii> no
[12:58] <soa2ii> it is just withhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kubuntu
[12:58] <erphan> oh
[12:58] <Tm_T> soa2ii: msg me
[12:58] <erphan> Please Kick Soa !
[12:59] <Tm_T> erphan: dealt already
[01:00] <StevenR> hi. I'm trying to play a dvd, but it doesn't work. xine nad vlc both crash, and kaffeine appears to freeze with a blue screen
[01:00] <StevenR> (I've tried this with several dvds, that all work in other players/computers)
[01:10] <soa2ii> there i am again
[01:10] <Tm_T> soa2ii: :)
[01:10] <soa2ii> i switched off the key repetition in the control settings
[01:10] <Tm_T> soa2ii: have you checked if there's bugreports related to it?
[01:10] <soa2ii> but the keyboard is still very slow
[01:11] <soa2ii> Tm_T: no... where?
[01:11] <Tm_T> !bugs
[01:11] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:11] <soa2ii> and KDM repeats the keys ....
[01:12] <soa2ii> noone have an idea here?
[01:14] <Karti> StevenR: has you ever played a dvd with kaffeine (encrypted) sucessfully?
[01:15] <soa2ii> does anyone see an error?
[01:15] <soa2ii> http://rafb.net/p/iSyYNE24.html
[01:15] <soa2ii> i just removed the tablet pc stuff
[01:16] <Karti> soa2ii: I see you are using the nv driver, have you installed the nvidia driver itself?
[01:16] <soa2ii> not yet
[01:16] <awen> soa2ii: are you on a laptop and which model/brand?
[01:16] <Karti> if that is the case you normally have "nvidia" there
[01:17] <soa2ii> no it a desktop
[01:17] <soa2ii> i'll ionstall the nvidia... one mom
[01:18] <soa2ii> but i do not think that this have smth to do with my weird keyboard
[01:19] <soa2ii> brb
[01:19] <awen> !pastebin
[01:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:20] <soa2ii> re
[01:20] <soa2ii> i just switched to nvidia... but nothing changed...
[01:21] <soa2ii> wtf is wrong herE?!?!
[01:21] <soa2ii> knoppix is alright
[01:21] <soa2ii> a terminal too
[01:21] <soa2ii> and this is a fresh kubuntu isntall...
[01:23] <waylandbill> 'nothing changed' means? glxinfo shows no direct rendering?
[01:24] <soa2ii> no... the keyboard is still weird
[01:26] <soa2ii> i really need help
[01:26] <soa2ii> please... :'(
[01:31] <StevenR> Karti: what do you mean?
[01:32] <sakabatou> soa2ii: i had exactly that problem
[01:32] <Karti> StevenR: just wondered if it was set up to read encrypted dvds and if you had used it previously
[01:33] <StevenR> Karti: I've compiled libdvdcss, and it successfully loads the keys for the dvds, but then it crashes... I ran it from the konsole and it's some sort of X error
[01:33] <sakabatou> Let me just see what was the solution, and i tell you
[01:34] <soa2ii> sakabatou: oh that ould be so nice
[01:34] <sakabatou> soa2ii: you say you have your keyboard repeat slow now, right ?
[01:34] <StevenR> Karti: I followed the same procedure on my sister's box, and it played them just fine.... I just can't work out what's breaking on this particular box
[01:34] <sakabatou> Try pressing shift a lot of times
[01:34] <soa2ii> sakabatou: first it repeated some chars randomly
[01:34] <sakabatou> Ah
[01:35] <Karti> Ahh.....:(
[01:35] <soa2ii> then i switched of "repeating chars" in the Kontrol Center and now i supress it
[01:35] <soa2ii> KDM is still wrong
[01:35] <soa2ii> and if i disable the option KDE too
[01:36] <sakabatou> Yeah, different problem
[01:36] <sakabatou> Tryed googling ?
[01:36] <soa2ii> yes...
[01:36] <soa2ii> but what for?
[01:36] <sakabatou> Let me see if i find something too
[01:36] <soa2ii> i do not really have an idea WHY there is a problem...
[01:36] <soa2ii> knoppix was fine
[01:37] <sakabatou> Might have something, internet is a big place
[01:37] <soa2ii> so it is no hardwware problem
[01:37] <sakabatou> Of course its software, if you haven't the problem
[01:37] <sakabatou> Tell me something, what is your current situation with the keyboard
[01:37] <sakabatou> ?
[01:38] <soa2ii> i can show you... mom
[01:38] <soa2ii> sakabatou: you block me :/
[01:38] <soa2ii> or the server blocks me... don't know
[01:39] <sakabatou> wtf
[01:39] <sakabatou> Im not blocking you
[01:39] <soa2ii> hm... i cant send you a private message
[01:39] <Karti> soa2ii: are you registered?
[01:39] <soa2ii> no
[01:40] <Karti> there is your answer
[01:40] <soa2ii> dam nhere...
[01:40] <soa2ii> i just want to show sakabatou plz don't yell for kicks ...
[01:40] <Karti> !register
[01:40] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:41] <sakabatou> Registering is freking easy
[01:41] <soa2ii> here... this is what my keyboard looks like with standard settings
[01:41] <soa2ii> ?!?!
[01:41] <soa2ii> wtf is going wrong now....
[01:41] <soa2ii> now it is just slow?
[01:41] <soa2ii> brb
[01:41] <soa2ii> i restart one
[01:44] <soa2ii> there i am again
[01:44] <soa2ii> hm kde seems to be just slow now...
[01:44] <soa2ii> kdm still got the "repeat-error"
[01:45] <sakabatou> Go to the
[01:45] <sakabatou> System settings
[01:45] <soa2ii> ok
[01:46] <sakabatou> Keyboard & mouse
[01:46] <soa2ii> entering password became almost impossible :/
[01:46] <soa2ii> k
[01:46] <sakabatou> And tell me
[01:46] <sakabatou> What do you have turned on in keyboard settings
[01:46] <sakabatou> And
[01:46] <sakabatou> At which intensity
[01:47] <soa2ii> repetition is on
[01:47] <soa2ii> delay
[01:47] <soa2ii> 660msec
[01:47] <soa2ii> rate 25/s
[01:47] <sakabatou> Same as i do, good
[01:47] <soa2ii> (standard settings)
[01:48] <alejandro> why it s only firefox 2.003 when 2.006 its released?
[01:48] <sakabatou> Go to the keyboard shortcuts
[01:48] <sakabatou> And press default
[01:48] <soa2ii> alejandro: have you man an upgrade?
[01:48] <soa2ii> ok
[01:48] <soa2ii> done
[01:49] <alejandro> with adept?
[01:49] <soa2ii> doesnt matter...
[01:49] <soa2ii> try
[01:49] <soa2ii> sudo aptitude update
[01:49] <soa2ii> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:50] <soa2ii> then everything should be the newest software
[01:50] <soa2ii> sakabatou: do you have any further ideas?
[01:50] <soa2ii> this is my first REAL problem i could not solve :(
[01:50] <sakabatou> Was going to ask you if it solved your problem, but im guessing it didn't
[01:51] <sakabatou> When this problem came up ?
[01:51] <soa2ii> not really :/
[01:51] <soa2ii> this is the best
[01:51] <sakabatou> yesterday ?
[01:51] <soa2ii> last evening we just watched dvds here and everything was fine
[01:51] <soa2ii> thne i booted again and the problem was there
[01:52] <soa2ii> i tried a second keyboard and the problem was there
[01:52] <sakabatou> You made the update ?
[01:52] <soa2ii> i tried knoppix
[01:52] <soa2ii> and the problem was gone
[01:52] <soa2ii> so i reinstalled kubuntu
[01:52] <soa2ii> and the problem is still there
[01:52] <soa2ii> with no updates
[01:52] <soa2ii> it appaers on a blan kubuntu install
[01:53] <sakabatou> Try doing it, its a linux kernel update
[01:53] <soa2ii> and i do not know what i should do :'(
[01:53] <sakabatou> Very importante
[01:53] <sakabatou> *important
[01:53] <soa2ii> i already mafde a dist-upgrade because of the new kernel...
[01:53] <soa2ii> still the same
[01:53] <soa2ii> if i insert knoppix again everthing will be fine ...
[01:54] <soa2ii> this drives me crazy...
[01:54] <soa2ii> and it seems that i am the only one ....
[01:55] <sakabatou> Yeah :(
[01:56] <soa2ii> and no one has a solutiopn...
[01:56] <soa2ii> fucking shit...
[01:56] <soa2ii> i'll get smth to eat... maybe some later ...
[01:56] <soa2ii> brb
[01:59] <green> hi all
[02:02] <sui> hi
[02:06] <sui> I ran into problems installing amarok. I accidentally removed amarok from my system and when itry to install it, aptitude tells me that there are unmet dependencies: amarok: Depends: libmp4v2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) which is a virtual package.   I tried to find out which package I have to (re)install, but I found no information with google. can anyone help?
[02:07] <ScarFreewill> anyone know how i can get ntfsfix installed?
[02:08] <ScarFreewill> or what the pakage name is
[02:08] <ScarFreewill> !ntfsfix
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfsfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <zsz> using tab completion in konsole produces really annoying sound beep. It's not internal speaker that produces this sound (modprobe -r pcspkr and xset b off did not help). How do I turn the beep off?
[02:09] <sui> zsz: take a look in kcontrol
[02:10] <zsz> sui: of course! I should've realized it myself
[02:10] <sui> zsz: sound and multimedia - system notification - konsole
[02:10] <ScarFreewill> !info ntfsprogs
[02:10] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.13.1-6 (feisty), package size 267 kB, installed size 700 kB
[02:11] <zsz> sui, thanks
[02:13] <jannis__> hi
[02:22] <arunkale> i tried playing an avi file in kaffeine, rhythmbox and vlc player, it wont play
[02:22] <arunkale> sorry, not rhythmbox
[02:22] <arunkale> toten
[02:22] <arunkale> totem*
[02:22] <arunkale> it says 'could not determine type of stream'
[02:23] <sahin_h> arunkale: Is libxine-extracodecs installed?
[02:23] <arunkale> sahin_h: yup
[02:24] <sahin_h> arunkale: well maybe you need the extra not so legal win32codecs.
[02:24] <arunkale> alright, installing
[02:24] <arunkale> w32codecs
[02:25] <sahin_h> arunkale: yep
[02:25] <arunkale> thanks
[02:25] <sahin_h> arunkale: np
[02:27] <sahin_h> arunkale: I forgot to mention a usful link, if you need help for installation...
[02:27] <sui> have a nice day... got to work :|
[02:27] <sahin_h> arunkale: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs?highlight=%28codec%29
[02:28] <arunkale> sahin_h: i just did a apt-get install w32codecs
[02:28] <arunkale> should i cancel that?
[02:28] <sahin_h> arunkale: Ok, that will be fine.
[02:30] <arunkale> do i need to restart x after installing that?
[02:30] <arunkale> because the avi file is still not working
[02:30] <sahin_h> arunkale: Nope.
[02:31] <sahin_h> arunkale: I've no idea. Personaly I use mplayer as a media player.
[02:31] <sahin_h> arunkale: However I saw some files in the past, which was no good for mplayer too.
[02:31] <arunkale> alright, thanks though
[02:35] <arunkale> i havent had any problems playing other avi files though
[02:36] <sophy> I've finished to install kubuntu, I'm astonished that it doesn't detect any update to do... ?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> sophy: you need to update your package lists first
[02:43] <toxidas> hi everyone
[02:43] <toxidas> i cannot write to maxtor onetouch usb and cannot change perm on the device
[02:43] <toxidas> how can i write to the device (it's formatted ntfs)
[02:44] <toxidas> i have to backup something but cannot write plz someone help me?
[02:46] <toxidas> any ideas anyone?
[02:46] <ubuntu_> hi toxidas
[02:46] <toxidas> hi
[02:46] <flaccid> !fuse-3g
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuse-3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <flaccid> oops
[02:46] <flaccid> !ntfs-3g
[02:46] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:47] <toxidas> do i have to do it everytime when i connect to usb or just for once
[02:48] <flaccid> once. please read
[02:48] <toxidas> ok thanx
[02:48] <flaccid> np
[02:50] <toxidas> no luck
[02:50] <toxidas> i did it but still cannot write
[02:51] <flaccid> what does it say
[02:52] <toxidas> unable to mount new volume it says
[02:52] <flaccid> google that
[02:52] <toxidas> ok
[02:53] <toxidas> is it ok if i format it to fat 32
[02:53] <toxidas> than i can access can i?
[02:53] <flaccid> are you a member of the fuse group?
[02:53] <toxidas> no
[02:53] <flaccid> sure you can make it fat32
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> toxidas: yeah... if you don't want to store anything over 4 gigabites on it
[02:53] <GoodLife> hallo
[02:53] <flaccid> you need to be a member of the fuse group
[02:54] <toxidas> it's 200 gb cannot waste it :)
[02:54] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: you can do more than 4gb no problem
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> I mean, per file.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> that WAS a unclear
[02:54] <flaccid> oh
[02:54] <flaccid> doesnt the LBA partition type allow larger files
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> IDK.... I always just head 4GB
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> *heard
[02:59] <vlt> Hello. In which file does KDE store the user depending settings for screen resolution and monitor freq?
[02:59] <vlt> I need to change them but cannot open the Display Module in System Settings.
[02:59] <flaccid> vlt: controlled by xorg in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:59] <vlt> flaccid: No, I mean the KDE user setting
[03:00] <flaccid> um
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> vlt: oh... like the dynamically changeable resolution?
[03:01] <brad_> So how can I get to the sound mixer?
[03:01] <flaccid> brad_: run kmix
[03:01] <awen> vlt: https://launchpad.net/bugs/136563
[03:01] <vlt> nosrednaekim: There are several user accounts on the machine. When I log in to kde as one certain user I get odd 86.4kHz interlaced display. But only for the one user. It must be a KDE seting.
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> vlt: hmm ok, odd.
[03:02] <flaccid> try #kde
[03:02] <flaccid> its possible to change res in the module without admin mode, not sure how it works with a user setting
[03:02] <Jucato> is this on Feisty or Gutsy?
[03:02] <awen> vlt: try the suggestion and see if you can get into display-settings
[03:03] <brad_> well that worked but damn... I turned my volume down, and now it will not go back up.
[03:03] <vlt> awen: This is 6.06 LTS here.
[03:04] <Jucato> oh...
[03:05] <Jucato> waylandbill!!!
[03:05] <brad_> Any thoughts? All my volume sliders are up, that I can see... is there another setting someplace?
[03:05] <vlt> awen: Can't find the suggestion you spoke of. What do you mean?
[03:05] <stamen> hi
[03:05] <stamen> how can I understand, am I using xgl desktop
[03:05] <awen> vlt: intalling python2.5-dev package
[03:06] <stamen> I have installed the xglserver
[03:06] <waylandbill> brad_: try turning them down and then turn them back up
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> vlt: see if this has what you want ".kde/share/config/displayconfigrc"
[03:06] <stamen> but now how I can test it
[03:06] <brad_> waylandbill: No effect.
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> !xgl
[03:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:07] <waylandbill> brad_: silly question maybe, but you don't have the sound muted do ya?
[03:07] <brad_> No, and I can hear it.
[03:07] <brad_> The volume is just REALLY low.
[03:07] <flaccid> try alsamixer in a konsole
[03:08] <waylandbill> flaccid:  that was my next idea
[03:09] <vlt> nosrednaekim: That looks fine. The other users lack this file. I'll try to edit/remove it. Thanks.
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> vlt: ok.. great
[03:09] <brad_> Yeah, okay, that worked.
[03:09] <brad_> I have no idea how the volume got set so low....
[03:09] <brad_> And it's odd the same slider isn't available in kmix, no?
[03:10] <flaccid> i guess so yeah
[03:10] <owl> hi
[03:10] <waylandbill> brad_: interesting that kmix couldn't set the volume
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> brad_: right click on the mixer and make sure all the channels are enabled
[03:11] <brad_> Ah, well there you go.
[03:12] <waylandbill> man.. I know I must've been busy this week. 49 updates available. :-)
[03:12] <brad_> Now I just wonder how it got so low.
[03:13] <brad_> But that is less of a big deal, thanks for the help.
[03:13] <brad_> And now kmix is back in the system tray, for whatever reason it was gone before...
[03:13] <waylandbill> maybe you had quit the program previously.
[03:14] <wckdkl0wn> is there any easy way to convert avi to dvd?
[03:15] <llutz> wckdkl0wn: avidemux
[03:15] <wckdkl0wn> does that have a gui interface?
[03:15] <llutz> yes
[03:15] <wckdkl0wn> and that converts more then just avi right?
[03:16] <llutz> wckdkl0wn: it has documention too :)
[03:16] <wckdkl0wn> llutz: ok ty
[03:17] <hayami> i know that this is not the channel, but can anyone help me finding a song? i don't know the name :(
[03:18] <hayami> i tried in kubuntu-offtopic but no one helps me pls
[03:20] <waylandbill> anyone know what release will most likely have kde 4?
[03:20] <jussi01> waylandbill: I would say hardy..
[03:20] <jussi01> thats what i would expect anyway
[03:21] <waylandbill> just curious. like fine wine, shouldn't be rushed. :_
[03:21] <waylandbill> :)
[03:21] <jussi01> Hmmm, does anyone know where the setting is to make firefox start fullscreen?
[03:21] <jussi01> (maximised?
[03:21] <melkor> I've got a 1500 budget for a laptop, I'm considering a mac.  Can they run KDE?
[03:22] <jussi01> melkor: they can, but why not buy a dell with ubuntu on it and support it?
[03:22] <melkor> Dell comes with ubuntu?
[03:22] <jussi01> melkor: yes, it does
[03:22] <jussi01> melkor: which countryare you in?
[03:22] <melkor> US
[03:23] <melkor> I normally don't have so much for a computer and macs are expensive.
[03:23] <jussi01> melkor: www.dell.com/open
[03:24] <mendred> melkor: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.04
[03:25] <waylandbill> melkor: I bought my laptop for $500, deleted windows and installed linux. It can be done inexpensively with a little research and a little patience.
[03:25] <jussi01> Just try to buy compatible hardware, ie, nvidia, intel etc
[03:25] <jussi01> !hardware
[03:26] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:26] <alejandro> thanks soa2ii
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> melkor: macs are nice.... so are the dell 1420's though
[03:27] <waylandbill> I own ati and nvidia cards. I prefer nvidia.
[03:27] <melkor> damn could you imagine putting freedos on a brand new computer
[03:28] <waylandbill> melkor: just put that in a virtual machine. I'm sure it can't use that much system resources. :-)
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> melkor: did you find the ubuntu ones though?
[03:29] <melkor> It sounds like the same dos that would run warcraft on 2 megs of ram
[03:29] <melkor> yes I'm checking them out now.
[03:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> someone say 1420?
[03:32] <melkor> waylandbill I have a budget, if It was comin out of my pocket I might do likewise.
[03:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> melkor: i think they offer freedos because for some reason they aren't allowed to offer a system with *no* os, so they include one that's useless :D
[03:32] <melkor> :)
[03:33] <Karti> !dvd
[03:33] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:38] <bfernandez> hi
[03:39] <wckdkl0wn> wahts the command in konsole to display sysinfo?
[03:39] <Kasho> can i helpme
[03:40] <Kasho> anybody with ati 9950?
[03:40] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: which kind of system information?
[03:40] <wckdkl0wn> just basic stats
[03:40] <hayami> can anyone help me finding a song? no one could in offtopic pls
[03:40] <Jucato> there's lspci for one. if you want a graphical app for that, you can use kinfocenter
[03:40] <wckdkl0wn> cpu type graphics, mem, hd, etc
[03:40] <hayami> i have a video but there's no name pls help :(
[03:41] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: there are different commands for that. like cat /proc/cpuinfo for CPU, free for memory, etc
[03:41] <melkor> Is there any reason to have 4 gigs of ram if you don't play video games or edit high defenition photos?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> wckdkl0wn: "lshw"
[03:42] <Jucato> that too :)
[03:42] <Jucato> lspci also
[03:42] <Jucato> ok lshw shws everything ehehe
[03:42] <Jucato> my bad :P
[03:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> melkor: there's no reason to buy 4gb of ram if you're using a 32-bit OS
[03:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:44] <melkor> Is it worth it to run a 64bit os?
[03:45] <zipper> uuuh
[03:45] <zipper> new kernel image
[03:45] <Daisuke-Laptop> that all depends on what OS you're talking about
[03:45] <zipper> in repositories
[03:45] <Daisuke-Laptop> and whether you do anything that will require 4gb of ram :D
[03:45] <lokpest> anybode here knows whats the first release of kubuntu whit kde4 in it, if it gonna be in Hardy Heron
[03:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> hardy at the earliest
[03:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> because it won't be gutsy
[03:46] <melkor> Ill probably run ubuntu, and I assume they have a 64bit version
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> no, they do not have a 64bit version installed
[03:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> melkor: yes they do, but that leaves the second part of the question :)
[03:46] <techbw> yes kubuntu does have 64bit version
[03:46] <Arwen> Hey guys, is KControl linked to in the KMenu anywhere?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. but I don'tthink Dell loads it
[03:46] <zipper> 64bit is better than 32bit when it's used properly. However, its still pretty new and the support isnt as good as it with 32bit
[03:47] <Daisuke-Laptop> Arwen: nope
[03:47] <zipper> melkor,
[03:47] <Arwen> :-\
[03:47] <lokpest> so nothing said/planed before its released
[03:47] <zipper> +is
[03:47] <techbw> you need a diffirent cd for the 64bit version. can be ordered through shipit
[03:47] <zipper> just download a 64bit kernel image?
[03:48] <zipper> or compile it yourself
[03:48] <techbw> that too
[03:48] <wckdkl0wn> is there plugins for konversation that will allow me to post sysinfo? like basics
[03:48] <hayami> techbw
[03:48] <hayami> can you help me?
[03:49] <melkor> I would d/load the 64bit install disk.  All I really run that demands anything is gimp for webpage quality pictures
[03:49] <techbw> i am a newbe too, so shoot and maybe i can
[03:49] <hayami> well, i know you'll be mad with me
[03:49] <hayami> but is from a song, :(
[03:49] <hayami> i can't find it
[03:49] <melkor> or python for numerical calculations
[03:49] <inaety> techbw: you want wmaker?
[03:49] <zipper> melkor, yeah... probably the best way to go. Fresh install with 64bit
[03:49] <hayami> can you tell me the name? or something like that?
[03:49] <hayami> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8JZ9zgcmQ8&mode=related&search=A
[03:49] <hayami> is the song from that video pls help :(
[03:49] <techbw> yeah, much lighter than kde on PII machine
[03:50] <zipper> i know that one
[03:50] <zipper> damn, whats the name
[03:50] <Daisuke-Laptop> is this ##music now?
[03:50] <inaety> techbw: okay just install it with adept or better yet, konsole...then log out and the kubuntu splash thing should come up...choose which desktop enviroment you want to login and then login
[03:51] <zipper> georgie something
[03:51] <zipper> had a really wierd music video
[03:51] <inaety> Daisuke-Laptop: apparently
[03:51] <techbw> inaety --> I did do that, but when installed says can't run on xwindow
[03:51] <hydrogen> I've yet to meet a desktop user who needed >4GB of ram or 64bit support
[03:51] <zipper> it's not the original one though
[03:51] <zipper> it's some sort of a remix
[03:51] <Daisuke-Laptop> !offtopic
[03:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:51] <techbw> inaety-->probably didn't download all the required files
[03:52] <zipper> hayami,
[03:52] <Arwen> ....part of kcontrol requires python-dev
[03:52] <Arwen> something's not right
[03:52] <inaety> techbw: try "sudo aptitude install wmaker
[03:52] <inaety> "
[03:52] <techbw> inaety-->will do.
[03:52] <techbw> what's kde3 like
[03:52] <inaety> techbw: awesome
[03:52] <Daisuke-Laptop> what are you using?
[03:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> still stuck in the days of kde2?
[03:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> 3's been out for a while now
[03:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> a long while, in fact
[03:53] <inaety> techbw: kde4 is coming out in october...
[03:53] <hayami> yeah man
[03:53] <techbw> ouch....what is coming out not kubuntu 7.07??
[03:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> 7.07 would have come out two months ago
[03:54] <arctanx> 7.10's already out
[03:54] <hayami> tell me friend :P
[03:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> 7.10 is coming out next month.
[03:54] <techbw> so that would be 3 i presume
[03:54] <arctanx> oh really
[03:54] <techbw> kde3 that is
[03:54] <inaety> techbw: kde4 is coming out, which is a desktop enviroment, and that is installed on top of ubuntu
[03:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> 7.10 is not out, it is still in testing.
[03:54] <arctanx> confused, sorry
[03:54] <inaety> Daisuke-Laptop: is 7.10 gonna be with kde4?
[03:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> no
[03:55] <inaety> how boring
[03:55] <hayami> what's up zipper :P do you have a clue for the song? :(
[03:55] <Daisuke-Laptop> 8.04 will be the first release with kde4
[03:55] <zipper> hayami, read upwards from where i highlighted you
[03:55] <hayami> it's a remix?
[03:55] <techbw> I have taken a liking to kubuntu...it is the only os excluding dsl-linux, that will run on this old laptop not even ubuntu installs....only kubuntu
[03:56] <hayami> =o but you know the original song name?
[03:56] <zipper> yeah
[03:56] <hydrogen> Daisuke-Laptop: *might be the first release wtih kde4
[03:56] <techbw> it met an unfortunate accident with a glass of juice
[03:56] <zipper> i'm not sure
[03:56] <hayami> tell me and maybe that could be :P
[03:56] <inaety> techbw: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same OS just one with kde and the other gnome...wmaker is faster than all of those
[03:56] <hayami> sometimes happens :P
[03:56] <zipper> as i said, i'm thinking "gor..." "gorgie..". I also remember something about it having a lot of "'" in it like "Go' rg' ie"
[03:57] <hayami> =o
[03:57] <zipper> really cant remember
[03:57] <Karti> !64bit
[03:57] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[03:58] <Arwen> ...there's a bunch of sections in kcontrol that don't load. Anyone else having this issue?
[03:58] <techbw> inaety-->I know they are the same just the desktop differs...but for some reason ubuntu hangs on install when selecting time zone, and anyways I prefer KDE, I feel alot more comfy using it, as well as I get alot more software to actually run, including wine, which I can't get running on ubuntu not sure why, but not a priority
[03:58] <Karti> Quick one.....looking for links to get flash on Firefox on 64 bit Kubuntu but without using alien
[03:59] <BluesKaj> yeah zipper I installed gutsy 64 bit , cuz x86 version wouldn't recognize my hardware and X would fail , tried several times but I succumbed ti the 64 bit version ...Konq is awful as a browser  even with IPv6 disabled ,and google earth isn't working altho i do have DRI
[04:00] <inaety> techbw: weird...but yeah since your computer is...slow then wmaker is a good choice...so might be enlightenment
[04:00] <inaety> techbw: http://www.enlightenment.org/
[04:01] <hayami> zipper but you see that there are some parts singing something?
[04:01] <Karti> cancel,,,,,,,,,,found it
[04:01] <BluesKaj> still searching for a google earth fix
[04:01] <hayami> can you tell me what does he say? i can't understand very well
[04:01] <techbw> inaety-->have not hear of enlightenment, but will try, I like window maker, so will try that and mabe install enlightenment at a later stage.  going offline, so thanks for the help will be back thnks
[04:02] <carlo> Hi
[04:02] <melkor> Can you dual boot a 32bit kernel / or a 64bit?
[04:02] <inaety> techbw: good luck
[04:03] <techbw> lol--->thanks....need the luck when it comes to this machine. maybe will migrate most my machines to linux, as except one, which I use for work, got no choice there
[04:03] <Arwen> melkor,  yes, but they have to be on separate partitions
[04:03] <Arwen> because your 64-bit kernel will need 64-bit daemons/tools/etc
[04:03] <techbw> nice learning new things, and as in the Matrix change is inevitable lol
[04:07] <clintc_home> I have an external usb audio device that shows up as card1 (I have no card0) under /proc/asound/ what is the correct setting for System setting | sound system | override device location
[04:09] <zipper> hayami, i can try...
[04:09] <zipper> not that clear
[04:10] <weyersrw> mornin all
[04:10] <hayami> please zipper that would be awesome
[04:11] <zipper> "You don't stop"
[04:11] <zipper> over and over again
[04:13] <TECKBW> how can i install codecs for playing various movies divx-->xvid-->etc
[04:13] <melkor> It is a little messed up, dells windows version have more options, like bluetooth.  The linux boxes don't have bluetooth?
[04:13] <hayami> i thought so, but nothing apperars but thanks zipper
[04:14] <zipper> but i dont think the original songs name was "you don't stop"
[04:14] <zipper> it was something else
[04:14] <zipper> i think
[04:15] <Arwen> melkor,  hmm? Linux has bluetooth support. Kind of.
[04:15] <TECKBW> inaety-->where can I get codecs for video formats xvid and divx
[04:16] <zipper> weyersrw, morning?! It's 4pm =P
[04:16] <TECKBW> inaety-->busy with the install of window maker now
[04:17] <hayami> where are you from zipper =o
[04:17] <zipper> denmark
[04:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> melkor: mine has bluetooth
[04:19] <TECKBW> inaety-->wmaker installed and working---runing on another session
[04:19] <weyersrw> mornin here just got up could be afternoon
[04:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> (inspiron 1420n)
[04:19] <aguitel> TECKBW , go http://www.ubuntu.cymaho.com/category/multimedia/
[04:19] <melkor> cool, with the windows installs they let you select models of bluetooth
[04:20] <Minnozz> ok, I need help now... kubuntu won't start anymore (I get a black screen), only recovery mode works. This happened after I installed nvidia drivers to get beryl working
[04:20] <melkor> What about Infra red?
[04:20] <weyersrw> zipper you seem to be the instigator here
[04:20] <zipper> weyersrw, not really
[04:20] <weyersrw> ok
[04:20] <aguitel> Minnozz ,youe problem are xorg file
[04:21] <weyersrw> blowed up by Nvidia
[04:21] <aguitel> Minnozz, restore the xorg backup
[04:22] <Minnozz> aguitel: how do I do that? I just installed linux for the first time yesterday...
[04:22] <Arwen> how do I set a default away message in Konversation?
[04:23] <aguitel> Minnozz ,type en the konsole :sudo /etc/X11/xorg.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:23] <Minnozz> aguitel: I already removed beryl and the nvidia driver from the console (with some luck)
[04:23] <ctothej> if I use truecrypt on a network share, can multiple computers mount the same volume at the same time?
[04:23] <Minnozz> aguitel: thanks, I'm gonna try that
[04:24] <Arwen> ctothej, only if decryption is handled by the server and not the clients
[04:24] <aguitel> Minnozz, if you not see the konsole type ctrl +alt +f2
[04:25] <aguitel> Minnozz ,and then ctrl+alt+ f7 to return normal window
[04:25] <ctothej> Arwen: ahh, hmm. that would be an issue as the network drive is a NAS drive with no server smarts :(
[04:25] <gridl0ck> atl+f7 is all he needs
[04:25] <aguitel> Minnozz ,delete automatix !!!!
[04:25] <aguitel> ok
[04:25] <TECKBW> inaety--shows what a noob i am, started wmaker, and kicked myself out of kde
[04:25] <Minnozz> aguitel: does this work from the totally black screen I get when trying to boot kubuntu the normal way? (there's only a cursor)
[04:26] <Minnozz> or do I need the recovery mode
[04:26] <ctothej> Arwen: If I were to set it up on a server, I would set it up so that the server mounts the truecrypt drive, and then makes it accessible to other computers right?
[04:26] <Arwen> yes
[04:26] <aguitel> Minnozz, try to boot in the command opcion
[04:26] <TECKBW> don't know if it is still running on the other session, but will check l8ter
[04:26] <inaety> TECKBW: haha
[04:26] <aguitel> Minnozz ,command line opcion in the boot screem
[04:26] <ctothej> cool thx
[04:27] <Minnozz> aguitel: ok thanks
[04:27] <Minnozz> aguitel: and what's with automatix?
[04:27] <Arwen> !automatix
[04:27] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:27] <TECKBW> anaety-->will still have to get the theme right, don't like the default look.
[04:27] <inaety> TECKBW: if you hit ctrl+alt+FXX it will show you other sessions...f7 ++ are dedicated to xorg
[04:27] <aguitel> Minnozz , uninstall automatix2 ,sudo aptitude purge automatix2
[04:28] <ctothej> Arwen: do you know of any ways to have crossplatform seemless encryption of single files?
[04:28] <ctothej> Arwen: not entire volumes
[04:28] <TECKBW> anaety --> I did that, but when I switched back to ctrl+alt+f7 it was also wmaker session
[04:28] <Arwen> ctothej, no, not really
[04:28] <inaety> TECKBW: yeah those kind of DE need tweaking...and if you end up liking to tweak you would then enjoy fluxbox which is probably lighter than wmaker
[04:28] <ctothej> Arwen: ok, thanks
[04:28] <Minnozz> aguitel: thanks, I'm going to try those things now
[04:29] <inaety> TECKBW: then it should be fine...
[04:29] <TECKBW> anaety-->will check those out, I have used wmaker before so fairly familiar with it.  but it requires alot of tweaking to get the look just like u want it to.
[04:29] <aguitel> Minnozz ,remember: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <aguitel> Minnozz ,every times you install some shi.. make backup from this file
[04:30] <inaety> TECKBW: yeah but it will be okay, and it's "inaety" :P
[04:30] <Minnozz> one more question: when I'm in the recovery console, I don't have to type a password. Does this mean that my root account has no password or is this normal? =S
[04:30] <Minnozz> aguitel: ok
[04:30] <TECKBW> inaety-->;-P sorry,
[04:31] <weyersrw> I have a c600 and would like to load fluxbox
[04:31] <inaety> TECKBW: heh
[04:31] <inaety> TECKBW: what is your IRC client
[04:32] <TECKBW> inaety-->konversation
[04:32] <inaety> TECKBW: just type "ina" and then hit tab
[04:32] <TECKBW> inaety-->do u know how to install codecs for mplayer
[04:32] <inaety> TECKBW: which ones
[04:33] <TECKBW> k will try if i get myself kicked out of kde...and can't open konversation in wmaker then will log back into kde
[04:33] <Minnozz> aguitel: one more question: when I'm in the recovery console, I don't have to type a password. Does this mean that my root account has no password or is this normal? =S
[04:33] <aguitel> Minnozz, no probem with this
[04:33] <Arwen> Minnozz, runlevel 1 bypasses root passwords
[04:34] <Arwen> if you want some kind of security on it, I recommend passwording the boot entry
[04:35] <Minnozz> Arwen: well it's not a problem for me, everyone in my house would run away screaming when they see anything other than WinXP, let alone a console
[04:35] <Arwen> hehe
[04:36] <Minnozz> I'm going to try to fix it, cya soon (I hoop)
[04:36] <TECKBW> inaety-->my machine does not seem to like opening two sessions, might be a ram issue, not much ram in the machine, so there might not be enough for both kde and wmaker to run simultaniously
[04:37] <inaety> TECKBW: you should be able to run konversation in wmaker
[04:37] <Karti> !nvidia
[04:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:37] <inaety> TECKBW: open a terminal and type "konversation"
[04:38] <TECKBW> yeah, I can, but can't have both kde and wmaker running together, so staying on kde for now till I av some time to customise wmaker
[04:38] <adrian_> !kolab
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kolab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <TECKBW> inaety -->how to I install media codecs...looked in adept, but can't seem to locate them
[04:40] <TECKBW> inaety-->is there an apt-get codec...or somthing similar that I can use.  like apt-get install divx
[04:40] <inaety> TECKBW: oh one second
[04:41] <Arwen> !restrictedformats | TECKBW
[04:41] <ubotu> TECKBW: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:41] <inaety> TECKBW: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> TECKBW:  sudo apt-get install xine-extracodecs libdvdcss w32codecs
[04:42] <Arwen> TECKBW, you probably want libxine1-ffmpeg, w32codecs, libdvdcss2, and mplayer
[04:42] <TECKBW> i think they are both enabled will check the etc/apt/config file
[04:43] <TECKBW> anaety-->they are enabled going to try install now
[04:43] <ausmedia> hi guys, anyone here know anything about apache2?
[04:44] <inaety> TECKBW: okay do what BluesKaj said
[04:44] <inaety> anyone know about freevo? http://pastebin.com/m6374e0e1
[04:45] <Arwen> BluesKaj, that's libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:45] <Arwen> thanks
[04:45] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:45] <TECKBW> inaety-->does not install says not availble or discontinued
[04:46] <inaety> TECKBW: ^^
[04:46] <Arwen> libdvdcss2 and w32codecs aren't shipped with Ubuntu
[04:46] <Arwen> or available for that matter
[04:46] <Arwen> !medibuntu
[04:46] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:46] <BluesKaj> TECKBW:  maybe some additional repos are required in your sources.list , like the above
[04:47] <arthur> HI AL
[04:48] <TECKBW> inaety-->will check out where I can get the repos, because I have alot of video that is produced using xvid or divx.
[04:48] <arctanx> to be realistic, the only legal piece of video I've found encoded in divx is the starcraft2 trailer. go figure. *goes to bed*
[04:48] <inaety> TECKBW: just use medibuntu
[04:49] <Arwen> DivX/XviD need to die already :-\
[04:49] <TECKBW> inaety--> would i have to re-install to use medibuntu???
[04:49] <Arwen> same with MP3
[04:49] <Arwen> TECKBW, no... it's a set of extra repositories
[04:49] <Arwen> !medibuntu
[04:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:50] <Minnozz> aguitel: i'm back again
[04:50] <Minnozz> it didn't work...
[04:50] <inaety> thanks Arwen
[04:51] <Arwen> ick, VLC doesn't like running in KDE
[04:51] <aguitel> Minnoz ,the problen maby is there no backup file are
[04:51] <TECKBW> oh! I thought it was ubuntu's commercial version where media codecs and would be for sale
[04:51] <Minnozz> aguitel: there is no /etc/x11/ directory...
[04:51] <Arwen> heh, commercial version? :-)
[04:51] <inaety> Arwen: vlc is the worst
[04:51] <aguitel> Minnozz, is X11 ,not x11
[04:51] <Arwen> inaety, well, it's got problems. Can't say it's the worst though. Xine is infinitely worse.
[04:51] <BluesKaj> TECKBW:  perhaps you could try Avidemux , Tovid , Acidrip ...these good options to explore if you're doing video editing to dvd etc.
[04:52] <Arwen> (DVDs are one of those things that needs to die too)
[04:52] <Minnozz> aguitel: I did 'ls' in the etc directory and there was no folder that started with an  X
[04:52] <Arwen> Minnozz, uh oh, you don't even have X? :-\
[04:52] <aguitel> Minnozz, is there maby ocult
[04:52] <BluesKaj> Arwen:  why ? DVDs are one of those things that needs to die too
[04:53] <Arwen> BluesKaj, because they use 10 year old technology.
[04:53] <TECKBW> Arwen-->you have alot of hate for things that are used in every day life,  I know DVD's are going to be obsolete in the comming years but leave the hate at home.
[04:54] <inaety> Arwen: but a lot of programs are built of xine...well use libxine
[04:54] <Arwen> TECKBW, when things are obsolete, you should let them rest in peace. MPEG-2 has been superceded several times over.
[04:54] <Minnozz> Arwen: I don't know, the only thing i did with fresh kubuntu install was installing beryll, updating, installing nvidia drivers, removing beryl and removing nvidia drivers
[04:54] <BluesKaj> well, we're using pretty old tecnology bsaed on a compute languge written in the 50s , namely Unix :)
[04:54] <Arwen> heh
[04:54] <Arwen> Linux Is Not UniX? :-P
[04:54] <Minnozz> aguitel: how can I scroll the console up? I can't see all results from ls
[04:55] <TECKBW> Arwen--> Maybe so but I can't choose the format that I get given, I just view the content in whatever format that is given to me
[04:55] <BluesKaj> there wouldn't be any linix without unix
[04:55] <Arwen> *shrug*
[04:55] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:55] <aguitel> Minnoz ,you are in command line?
[04:55] <Arwen> BluesKaj, but for the most part, Linux has superceded Unix (although Solaris and OS X are still around).
[04:56] <Minnozz> aguitel: yes I am (other pc)
[04:57] <aguitel> Minnozz ,in the command line is not possible
[04:57] <Arwen> Minnozz, you need to use some kind of abstraction. Like screen or less.
[04:57] <Minnozz> ok but that's not the biggest problem
[04:57] <inaety> TECKBW: heh
[04:58] <Arwen> chill? heh
[04:58] <BluesKaj> TECKBW:  are you transcoding avi files to mpeg ?
[04:58] <Minnozz> why don't I have a /etc/x11/ dir?
[04:58] <Arwen> Minnozz, capital X
[04:58] <Arwen> maybe a bad script killed it
[04:58] <kcg> hi there, i have a question on php5 as module in apache2 under kubuntu
[04:58] <TECKBW> nope, I get given videos to view, and document, so I don't do any editing only viewing
[04:58] <Arwen> you could try apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[04:59] <Minnozz> is that (no X11 folder) the reason that kubuntu won't start properly?
[04:59] <kcg> I have definitely installed php5 and  libapache2-mod-php5, but when typed "apache2 -l" php is not listed as a module
[04:59] <weyersrw> ta ta
[04:59] <Arwen> Minnozz, almost definitely :-)
[05:00] <Minnozz> ok, I'll try to reinstall
[05:00] <Minnozz> brb
[05:01] <x_link> Hi
[05:01] <x_link> Questiontime! =)
[05:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> did someone install the server edition by mistake?
[05:02] <x_link> I use Kubuntu 32-bits, should I change to 64-bits?
[05:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> x_link: two questions on that.  do you do anything that can really take advantage of a 64-bit os?  and do you have a ton of ram that the 32-bit version can't see?
[05:02] <BluesKaj> x_link:  are you happy with the 32bit version ?
[05:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> >4gb that is
[05:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> and that's the third question
[05:03] <Minnozz> Arwen: ok I reinstalled xserver-xorg
[05:03] <Minnozz> rebooting now
[05:03] <x_link> BluesKaj: I'm more than happy.
[05:03] <Arwen> Minnozz, you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as well
[05:03] <x_link> Daisuke-Laptop: It was just a question =9
[05:03] <jcs7778> How do you install a new kde style?
[05:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> x_link: then there's no reason to switch
[05:03] <Minnozz> Arwen: what does that do?
[05:03] <x_link> Okej.
[05:04] <BluesKaj> x_link: I'm running 64 bit Gutsy and I
[05:04] <Arwen> Minnozz, resets/regenerates configuration files
[05:04] <Daisuke-Laptop> x_link: yes, but there are different answers for different people based on their needs
[05:04] <x_link> Daisuke-Laptop: 32-bits only supports up to 4GB RAM, right?
[05:04] <Minnozz> Arwen: ok i'll try
[05:04] <Arwen> quick KDE question: where can I control startup apps?
[05:04] <BluesKaj> m disappointed
[05:04] <Daisuke-Laptop> x_link: correct
[05:04] <x_link> Daisuke-Laptop: Okej, I understand.
[05:04] <kcg> any one got an idea on that apache2 problem?
[05:04] <x_link> And I don't need more than 4GB RAM, so I will keep 32-bits =)
[05:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> i remember when the first mainstream 32-bit OSes came out...  we didn't think the industry would ever hit the limit on that.
[05:05] <kcg> repost: im trying to install php as a module of apache2, i followed the guide in http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Apache_HTTP_Server but it doesn't seem to work
[05:05] <BluesKaj> does anyone need 4G ram for everyday use ...doubt it
[05:05] <Gerrit> Hello. My wireless card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 BG) is not working. It says: radio off. How do I turn the radio on?
[05:05] <StevenR> Gerrit: what says "radio off" ?
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> BluesKaj: if "everyday use" means "for daily use at pixar" then sure, but for the most part, you're fine
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> and i have to hop in the shower.
[05:06] <Gerrit> StevenR: iwconfig
[05:06] <Gerrit> eth0     radio off   ESSID:""
[05:06] <StevenR> Gerrit: iwconfig can probably turn the radio on
[05:06] <Gerrit> how?
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> StevenR: is the wireless switch on the front of you laptop on?
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> oops
[05:06] <Gerrit> I tried but couldnt find
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> Gerrit, i mean
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> sorry Steve-O
[05:07] <Minnozz> Arwen: which video card driver do I need to chose?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> 1G ram is plenty for my requirements
[05:07] <Arwen> Minnozz, whichever one matches your card
[05:07] <Daisuke-Laptop> 640k should be enough for anybody!
[05:07] <Minnozz> Arwen: I have an nVidia EN7900GT, is 'nv' the driver?
[05:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> ...unless of course you actually want to DO something :D
[05:08] <BluesKaj> Bill Gates 1990 ?
[05:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> nv for now, yes
[05:08] <Arwen> Minnozz, should be "nvidia"
[05:08] <Arwen> or "nv" if you never installed the proprietary one
[05:08] <Minnozz> nvidia is not in the list
[05:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> Arwen: not if he doesn't have the proprietary :)
[05:08] <Minnozz> ok i'll chose nv
[05:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> and i see you've covered that and once again i'm slow
[05:10] <Arwen> heh
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> shower time then over to the parents' house
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> i get the joyous task of cooking lunch :D
[05:11] <Arwen> "cooking" lunch? :-P
[05:11] <Minnozz> Arwen: do I need kernel framebuffer?
[05:11] <Arwen> Minnozz, probably not
[05:11] <Minnozz> ok :)
[05:11] <Arwen> in fact, almost definitely not
[05:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> Arwen: yes.  i'm cooking steak and eggs on mom's netburst P4.
[05:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> ...
[05:12] <Arwen> heh
[05:12] <xsion> www.newszone.eu.tt
[05:12] <BluesKaj> wifey just cooked me bacon
[05:12] <melkor> are there nvidia drivers that work for 64bit systems?
[05:12] <Arwen> xsion, nice try
[05:12] <BluesKaj> &eggs ... a treat
[05:12] <Arwen> melkor, um, both drivers are 64-bit compatible
[05:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> my girlfriend doesn't cook.  she's getting better though, i'm teaching her :D
[05:13] <BluesKaj> think i'm going back to x86 ...64bit isn't ready for primetime
[05:13] <Arwen> get a new girlfriend :-P
[05:14] <aguitel> anyone helpme for compile compiz?
[05:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> no way
[05:14] <Arwen> aguitel, compile? no, never tried that
[05:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'm actually thinking of upgrading the one i've got to fiancee
[05:14] <iskaldur> hi, im a linux noob, just installed 7.04, and knetworkmanager is giving me a "no network device found"...any help?
[05:15] <aguitel> Arwen, how i know if my video card support 3d?
[05:15] <Arwen> aguitel, read the specs
[05:15] <Arwen> (standard hardware answer)
[05:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> aguitel: a newer nvidia?  if it doesn't support 3d, you should get your money back.
[05:15] <iskaldur> i tried googling for it, but i just see a bunch of bug reports related to it, not a solution
[05:16] <aguitel> is old video card
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> ah
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> what model?
[05:16] <aguitel> tnt2 32meg
[05:17] <aguitel> RIVA TNT2 Model 64
[05:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> while it *may* support rudimentary 3d, don't try beryl or compiz.
[05:17] <Minnozz> Arwen: wow that were a lot of questions
[05:17] <Minnozz> I hope it works now
[05:19] <aguitel> ok
[05:19] <Minnozz> Arwen: it works!
[05:19] <Minnozz> Arwen, aguitel: thanks a lot for your help
[05:20] <aguitel> Minnozz , it fix?
[05:21] <Minnozz> aguitel: yes I get my desktop now
[05:21] <Minnozz> a lot better than a black monitor :)
[05:21] <aguitel> Minnozz ,make  backup from xorg.conf file
[05:21] <Minnozz> wait, i'll come on IRC from that pc
[05:22] <Minnozz> brb
[05:23] <kcg> hello, has anyone got an idea of php on apache2 in kubuntu?
[05:23] <jimmacdonald> I have an interesting problem.
[05:24] <Arwen> maybe you'll get an interesting solution.
[05:24] <jimmacdonald> everytime I unplug my laptop when it tries to do a shut down after a period of inactivity, rather than shutting down I get a black screen with what looks like a bunch of dmesg entries
[05:24] <jimmacdonald> stating problems with ACPI and my usb driver.
[05:24] <jimmacdonald> I looked in dmesg after restart  and those entries are not there./
[05:24] <jimmacdonald> anyone got any ideas?
[05:24] <Datradan> Hi!
[05:25] <kkathman> hmm been awhile since Ive been over here on the kubuntu side - did they move /opt/kde3/share/sounds  somewhere else ??
[05:25] <Datradan> anyone know some programe to make iso?
[05:26] <Psycoshot> Does anyone here know how to make a folder/menu on KIBA-DOCK?
[05:26] <jimmacdonald>  additional info: in order to regain control of the computer I have to hardboot it twice.....
[05:28] <Minnozz> Arwen: oops, I was a little bit too early... my screen got all white...
[05:29] <arun> Is there any good software to convert AVI videos into MPEG or OGG format?
[05:29] <llutz> arun: avidemux
[05:29] <arun> llutz: thanks :) is it easy to use?
[05:30] <Arwen> Minnozz, hmm
[05:30] <llutz> arun: ... better than commandline :) needs some learning, but not too heavy stuff
[05:30] <Arwen> pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:30] <arun> llutz: alright, thanks a lot!
[05:30] <arun> is it in the repos?
[05:31] <llutz> it should be
[05:31] <Minnozz> Arwen: how can I do that?
[05:31] <Arwen> eh?
[05:31] <arun> llutz: which format should i convert into? mpeg or ogg/ogm
[05:31] <Minnozz> I can't see anything except white
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> ogm isn't a format, it's a container
[05:32] <Arwen> arun, um, you can convert an AVI into OGG very easily using ogmmerge from ogmtools
[05:32] <llutz> arun: what do you intend to do with the videos? just for playing it on PC, OGG will be fine. for standalones maybe mpeg will be more common
[05:32] <Arwen> but I don't think that's what you want
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> ogg theora is probably what you'd want for pc
[05:32] <Arwen> Theora sucks on so many levels..
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> Arwen: just clarifying what he meant by ogg
[05:32] <Arwen> ok
[05:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> if you want the most compatibility, go with mpeg, or *possibly* xvid (as some set-top boxes can play it)
[05:33] <Arwen> or just hook your PC up to your TV
[05:33] <Arwen> I always wondered what was so hard about that :-\
[05:34] <arun> llutz: i want to convert some avi videos i have into ogg without losing quality (should look good after conversion as well).. what should i use? avidemux or ogmtools
[05:34] <Arwen> arun, .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Format
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> Arwen: i can't do that, i've been trying
[05:35] <arun> there's nothing on that page Arwen
[05:35] <kkathman> Is there a how-to for kubuntu on removing beryl and using compiz-fusion?
[05:35] <Arwen> arun, also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_Compression
[05:35] <Arwen> you're asking the wrong questions
[05:35] <Arwen> you're asking invalid questions
[05:35] <arun> ah
[05:35] <arun> sorry
[05:35] <arun> i just want to convert from avi into an open format
[05:35] <arun> what would be the best way to do it
[05:36] <Arwen> AVI is an open format
[05:40] <kkathman> Arwen:  do you know if there is a wiki on compiz-fusion + kubuntu,  all the Google links seem to just show ubuntu
[05:40] <Arwen> kkathman, sorry, no idea
[05:41] <kkathman> k thanks
[05:41] <milton> hello
[05:41] <kkathman> Arwen:  fyi - dug a little deeper:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[05:42] <kkathman> its for BOTH ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:42] <Arwen> oh, hehe
[05:42] <kkathman> hi milton :)
[05:42] <milton> hello
[05:42] <milton> first time on kubuntu chat
[05:42] <Arwen> Milton wrote Paradise Lost didn't he?
[05:42] <milton> yes
[05:42] <milton> i htink
[05:43] <milton> i am lost
[05:43] <milton> getting to know linux at the moment..
[05:44] <Arwen> heh, we all had to
[05:44] <milton> yeah, really?
[05:44] <arun> !avidemux
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avidemux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <Arwen> I'm still learning KDE, I just switched yesterday.
[05:44] <arun> Arwen: switched to kde?
[05:44] <Arwen> yeah
[05:44] <milton> really, yesterday
[05:44] <milton> me just this morning...
[05:44] <Arwen> milton, hehe
[05:45] <milton> trying to adjust
[05:45] <emilsedgh> ah, the wonderfull world of KDE, you just had to customize and personilize it :P
[05:45] <Arwen> arun, you're looking for http://avidemux.org ?
[05:45] <milton> pretty cool thought
[05:45] <Arwen> emilsedgh, heh. GTK+ stuff is pissing me off though.
[05:46] <arun> Arwen: no, i got that.. i thought there might be a guide or something in the community documentation
[05:46] <milton> what is gtk?
[05:46] <Arwen> no, because we don't recommend destroying video by transcoding it
[05:46] <emilsedgh> Arwen: you still had to use some stuff from GTK+ and gnome, like inkscape
[05:46] <Arwen> milton, on Linux and similar, most GUI apps are either written in Gnu ToolKit or TrollTech QT.
[05:47] <emilsedgh> !info gtk+
[05:47] <ubotu> Package gtk+ does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:47] <emilsedgh> eh
[05:47] <Arwen> emilsedgh, yeah I know, but all that GTK stuff misbehaves
[05:47] <milton> oh
[05:47] <Arwen> !info libgtk2.0-0
[05:47] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.11-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2481 kB, installed size 5372 kB
[05:47] <darlok> I'm trying to use wget to download a bunch of .pdf files from a password-protected site, but it seems that wget refuses to log into those areas.
[05:47] <darlok> I've used the http-user and http-password options...
[05:47] <milton> I was mainly into windows until now..
[05:47] <Arwen> heh
[05:48] <milton> yeah
[05:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> gimp toolkit*
[05:48] <Arwen> Daisuke-Laptop, it's just called the GNU ToolKit now.
[05:48] <emilsedgh> milton: that crap os?
[05:48] <SlimeyPete> Gnu image manipulation program ToolKit ;)
[05:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> really...
[05:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> whoopise :D
[05:48] <milton> yeah
[05:48] <milton> I get alot of viruses from time to time
[05:48] <arun> i just tried opening an avi file in avidemux, and it says 'could not open file'
[05:49] <Arwen> SlimeyPete, GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Toolkit :-P
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> gnuimptk...
[05:49] <Arwen> arun, #avidemux maybe?
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> doesn't really roll off the tongue
[05:49] <arun> alright
[05:49] <kkathman> hey Arwen - whats that command that tells you what's installed?  Equivalent to rpm -qa | grep <name> ??
[05:49] <Arwen> um... one second
[05:49] <kkathman> I forgot what it is on buntus ??
[05:50] <milton> How do I get flash on my browser (konquerer), anybody?
[05:50] <kkathman> is it dpkg -l |grep ??
[05:50] <SlimeyPete> with difficulty. It's easier if you use firefox or opera, milton.
[05:50] <Arwen> kkathman, looks like it
[05:50] <Arwen> (why are you asking me if you know?)
[05:50] <milton> hows that?
[05:50] <SlimeyPete> !flash
[05:50] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:51] <milton> anybody..
[05:51] <nicolai_> !flash | milton
[05:51] <ubotu> milton: please see above
[05:51] <Minnozz> Arwen: It works now, seems like i forgot to deinstall beryl-manager
[05:51] <Arwen> ah
[05:51] <SlimeyPete> milton: I've heard that you need to do some fiddling around to get konqueror to see the flash plugin, whereas the other two should just see it once it's installed.
[05:51] <SlimeyPete> perhaps my info is out-of-date though :)
[05:51] <emilsedgh> Arwen: thats crap, isnt it?
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> SlimeyPete: I have installed Feisty lately, I think Flash got installed automatically, I did not do anything for it...
[05:52] <milton> whats with konquerer anyways, why won't it work flash?
[05:52] <holas> Hi there
[05:52] <Arwen> That's not really the right question to ask. The real question is to ask Adobe why their flash doesn't play with Konqueror.
[05:52] <nicolai_> I just installed Flash, but some people need to go to the 'plugins' setting in Konqueror to make it work
[05:52] <SlimeyPete> milton: Gnash is installed automatically, IIRC. Doesn't work on youtube.
[05:52] <Karti> Hi all, having a bit of difficulty with a nvidia card. It works fine, just no 3d. When I try to change the "nv" to "nvidia" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf I loose the screen and have to change it from another terminal. Any ideas? I did install the nvidia-glx and my card is a 7300
[05:52] <milton> is konquerer a older browser or what?
[05:53] <Arwen> *sigh*...
[05:53] <SlimeyPete> milton: it's a minority browser and Adobe/Macromedia don't bother to make sure it's supported, AFAIK
[05:53] <milton> oh yeah
[05:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> Karti: did you install the nvidia driver?
[05:53] <milton> I'll just get opera then
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> SlimeyPete: From what I heard, Apple's safari bases on Konqueror...
[05:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> yes, okay
[05:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> now, upon installing, it should have set itself inthe xorg.conf
[05:54] <Karti> Daisuke-Laptop: I did the aptitude install nvidia-glx
[05:54] <milton> is konquerer from linux or apple, or what ever?
[05:54] <nicolai_> Karti: install nvidia glx, then go to  system settings -> monitor and display -> hardware -> admin -> proprietary
[05:54] <emilsedgh> MilhousePunkRock: Safari's Rendering Engine is named Webkit, which is based on KDE's Rendering Engine named khtml which designed to be used at Konqueror
[05:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> MilhousePunkRock: not *quite*
[05:54] <Arwen> !konqueror | milton
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <Arwen> ....
[05:54] <milton> oh
[05:54] <milton> hehe
[05:54] <emilsedgh> milton: Konqueror is Pure KDE product
[05:55] <SlimeyPete> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, but I think it's diverged quite far over its history
[05:55] <milton> oh
[05:55] <SlimeyPete> I could be wrong though
[05:55] <milton> thanks for the info...
[05:55] <Daisuke-Laptop> SlimeyPete: interesting you should bring that up, apparently khtml and webkit are remerging
[05:55] <milton> really
[05:55] <SlimeyPete> Daisuke-Laptop: ah right, hadn't heard that
[05:55] <MilhousePunkRock> SlimeyPete: I think emilsedgh gave the best explanation...
[05:56] <milton> well got to go..I have alot of experience to get caught up with..
[05:56] <Karti> brb
[05:56] <emilsedgh> :P
[05:56] <SlimeyPete> milton: have fun :)
[05:57] <Daisuke-Laptop> time to pack up the lappy
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> On an ancient mainboard, where the I/O ports are not yet color coded, which PS/2 port would you expect to be which=
[05:57] <emilsedgh> I Think Konqueror could just buzz the world, only if it has some good default options, for example good toolbar's selections and positions...
[05:57] <soa2ii> hi...
[05:57] <Daisuke-Laptop> trial and error
[05:58] <soa2ii> i now got a 5.1 sourround system and my rare-speakers don't give a tone...
[05:58] <soa2ii> someone an idea?
[05:58] <Daisuke-Laptop> soa2ii: do you have a 5.1 sound *card*?
[05:58] <soa2ii> it's a nvidia ck804 chipset
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> emilsedgh: IPv6 should be disabled by default, so new people notice it actually is fast and not install Firefox as the first thing they do in Kubuntu...
[05:58] <soa2ii> onboard
[05:58] <SlimeyPete> soa2ii: plugged it into the right socket? sometimes there's a seperate socket for 5.1.
[05:58] <Daisuke-Laptop> yep, same as my desktop, and i've never gotten it to work either :(
[05:58] <SlimeyPete> soa2ii: is it a modern PC?
[05:58] <emilsedgh> MilhousePunkRock: ah, its really has better perfomance againts mozilla firefox...
[05:59] <soa2ii> not really
[05:59] <soa2ii> about 2 years old
[05:59] <nicolai_> soa2ii: Is Kmix set to 6ch under "channel mode"?
[05:59] <soa2ii> mom
[05:59] <SlimeyPete> 2 years should be modern enough.
[05:59] <soa2ii> nicolai_: where exactly?
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> emilsedgh: Still some pages do not work in it, like Firefox vs IE years ago... And the webpanel of my UPnP server does not support Konq, so I still need to have Fx installed...
[06:00] <soa2ii> no but now...
[06:00] <soa2ii> the rears dont give a tone... :/
[06:01] <emilsedgh> MilhousePunkRock: but I have better experience of rendering pages with konqueror, even i see many pages that are screwed up with Gecko/Firefox but are working nice in khtml/konqueror
[06:01] <soa2ii> hm....
[06:02] <soa2ii> kmix is now under 6channel mode
[06:02] <soa2ii> what can i change yet?
[06:02] <nicolai_> soa2ii: try closing whatever program uses the sound.
[06:03] <soa2ii> ok
[06:03] <soa2ii> and then?
[06:03] <Ace2016> anyone here know a font manager which will preview a piece of sample text in every font on the system???
[06:04] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: fonts:/ in konqueror :)
[06:04] <Ace2016> no it has to be text i specify
[06:05] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: wait a few minutes
[06:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Ace2016: "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" not good enough?
[06:06] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: go to system settings->Apperance
[06:06] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: then go to the font installer section
[06:07] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: there is a button for this in top of the page :)
[06:07] <Karti> Hia all, just tried the proprietary radio button and when I restated x I had to go in and edit the xorg.conf again......any ideas?
[06:08] <Ace2016> emilsedgh: which button? tried them all none seem to add custom text
[06:09] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: I have it, in top, after the 'Print' button...(thats disbaled, click on a font to enable it)
[06:10] <soa2ii> i need still some help...
[06:10] <soa2ii> how can i find out why the rear speakers doesnt work
[06:11] <Ace2016> emilsedgh: thats is sooo close to what i want, just wish it would allow me to change the text
[06:12] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: it lets you change the text, doesnt it? let me take a screenshot to show you that i changed the text to 'Test'
[06:13] <soa2ii> hm ok... i think i'm searching wrong here
[06:13] <soa2ii> i'm just listening to musikl
[06:13] <soa2ii> this is stereo and my system has an "upmix" feature
[06:13] <soa2ii> so it's maybe not linux fault...
[06:14] <soa2ii> hm doch...
[06:15] <soa2ii> i need to map the rear speakers on the front ones... how do i do that?
[06:15] <Ace2016> emilsedgh: oh i found it, i had to click on the T after picking a font, thanks
[06:15] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: http://i9.tinypic.com/4xyrpq8.png
[06:15] <emilsedgh> :P
[06:15] <emilsedgh> Ace2016: you see, KDE Rocks! ;)
[06:16] <screamx> anyone kno howto use steam on linux
[06:17] <anon32> on the login screen, how can I make it not remember usernames?
[06:17] <darlok> I'm trying to use wget to download a bunch of .pdf files from a password-protected site, but it seems that wget refuses to log into those areas.
[06:17] <darlok> I've used the http-user and http-password options...
[06:18] <emilsedgh> darlok: why dont you use Konqueror or kget if its hard for you to use wget ?
[06:19] <soa2ii> is there noone with sound know-how here?!
[06:19] <darlok> emilsedgh: Because I need to recursively download these files... they're located in several different subdirectories of the website.
[06:19] <t4m1n0> hello tehre
[06:19] <winbond> are there any apps for stress testing overclocked cpu and ram ??
[06:19] <t4m1n0> how can I get an information (version) of a specific package
[06:20] <nicolai_> t4m1n0: OPen Adept, search for package, look at information
[06:21] <t4m1n0> nicolai_, what about command line
[06:24] <tzanger> good afternoon
[06:25] <nicolai_> t4m1n0: I rarely use commands, so no idea.
[06:25] <tzanger> I've got a bluetooth mouse with a scroll wheel that won't scroll... Kubuntu already has the zaxismapping lines in xorg.conf, so I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to get the scroll wheel to work
[06:25] <darlok> Anyone know of any GUI apps that will recursively download specific files from a website?
[06:25] <tzanger> catting /dev/input/mice shows there's traffic when I move the mouse and click the buttons, but I don't see aqnything when I scroll
[06:25] <tzanger> is there perhaps some option to hidd I need to give?
[06:29] <winbond> on lots of linux screenshots i see a software that monitors everything inside the computer, cpu, ram usage, disc space etc, anyone know what the name of it is?
[06:30] <llutz> winbond: gkrellm
[06:30] <llutz> winbond: or if you don't want to work with your PC: superkaramba
[06:30] <winbond> llutz, thank you , i wanna give it a try
[06:32] <Artimus> I can't even stand having a desktop wallpaper, I just got used to desktop icons.  SuperKaramba would be hell...
[06:33] <gridl0ck> darlok: gwget
[06:34] <darlok> gridl0ck: That will only download the entire website, not let me specify WHICH types of files to download.
[06:34] <AboSamoo1> hi all , I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(
[06:34] <sophy> how to do so that kubuntu stops to ask me the password of kdewallet ?
[06:34] <gridl0ck> like wget it has the option for recursive
[06:35] <darlok> gridl0ck: I know it does, but it doesn't let me say to ONLY download .pdf files, which is what I need.
[06:35] <gridl0ck> ah ok sorry misunderstood
[06:35] <gridl0ck> i use the konsole mostly
[06:36] <darlok> gridl0ck: Well, I've tried using wget, but it won't let me login to the website to download the protected files.
[06:36] <AboSamoo1> can anyone help me ? I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(. it only appears at startup of KDE :( then disappears totally
[06:39] <[Ramy] > can anyone help me ? I have a prb with taskbar , it disappeared :(. it only appears at startup of KDE :( then disappears totally. it was set as auto-hide. how I can recover that , is there any text configuration file to be edited ?:(
[06:40] <melkor> is it set always on top?
[06:40] <[Ramy] > melkor , no I put it as Auto-hide then it disappeared totally
[06:41] <melkor> is anybody here running kde 4?
[06:42] <melkor> Ramy back when I had windows, the task bar was auto hide and it would pop up only if it was "always on top"
[06:43] <melkor> You can't even configure it though?  Because you can't right click on it?
[06:43] <[Ramy] > melkor , that if you want to change that option you have to get the taskbar first ?
[06:44] <melkor> kcontrol
[06:45] <clearview> Sysinfo for 'CLEARview-Feisty2': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.26GHz at 2266 MHz (4536 bogomips), , RAM: 315/503MB, 106 proc's, 3.7min up
[06:48] <melkor> Ramy could you change it in kcontrol, mine doesn't have 'autohide' option
[06:49] <iskaldur> is there a "restricted drivers manager" in kubuntu?
[06:50] <iskaldur> im trying to follow a tutorial for ubuntu-gnome that mentions it, but i cant find it =(
[06:50] <Jucato> iskaldur: there will be in Gutsy (release October
[06:50] <Jucato> but on feisty, no restricted manager yet
[06:50] <iskaldur> ah, so how do i do something like get my graphics card recognized?
[06:51] <Jucato> !nvidia
[06:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:51] <iskaldur> i have a intel graphics media accelerator 3100
[06:52] <iskaldur> =\
[06:52] <bfernandez> Ati caca
[06:53] <Jucato> !intel
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <bfernandez> Ati 9550 in Kubuntu  buuuuu
[06:53] <Jucato> iskaldur: hm... I believe intel has open source drivers already so there's no need for special drivers to be installed.. not really sure though
[06:53] <iskaldur> hmm, all i know is that my system settings says "graphics card: vesa"
[06:54] <iskaldur> =(
[06:54] <iskaldur> do you know how i can get my monitor recognized? (dell e207wfp)
[06:54] <bfernandez> i'm have Ati Radeon is more bad config in deb
[06:54] <bfernandez> :_(
[06:55] <emilsedgh> anyone knows that is there any plan to change the Adept's ui? Its really creative but really sucks at usability...
[06:55] <bfernandez> festy faw not run ati 9550
[06:58] <sophy> how to log automatically on a user ?
[07:03] <sea_4_ever> Can someone tell me where the source code of "Ktron" is?
[07:05] <m477> when i mount camera with flash disk i have one pic here what to do ?
[07:05] <emilsedgh> sea_4_ever: should be in the KDE's svn...
[07:06] <arykol> list
[07:07] <emilsedgh> sea_4_ever: go to http://websvn.kde.org to find it...
[07:08] <station4> ee
[07:08] <spiroo> !aptfix
[07:08] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:10] <GuyFromHell> out of curiosity, what is the point of using the UUID's instead of the /dev/(s|h)d[a-z] [0-9] 's
[07:10] <GuyFromHell> (in fstab)
[07:11] <Jucato> !uuid
[07:11] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:11] <Minnozz> Hi, I have a question: when I type 'su' in Konsole (and enter password X), I get authentification error. But when I use sudo .... (and enter password X), there's no problem. Why is that?
[07:12] <GuyFromHell> Jucato: k, and a quick google search answered me question as well. thanks
[07:12] <Jucato> !su | Minnozz
[07:12] <ubotu> Minnozz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:14] <spiroo> anyone know how to fix the damn audio encoding problem?
[07:14] <Minnozz> Jucato: aah, thanks :)
[07:14] <anon32> grr, VLC on KDE crashes when opening a file
[07:15] <jonathant> can someone help me with playing .mov files in firefox using vlc
[07:16] <emilsedgh> !mp3
[07:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:16] <anon32> jonathant, ....no
[07:18] <jonathant> what?
[07:23] <dhq>  hcid --> takes alot of my processes
[07:28] <Q-collective> hey all
[07:29] <AdamKili> hi
[07:30] <Q-collective> How do I activate the wikipedia feature in konversation? It seems this is deactivated by default in Kubuntu.
[07:31] <Jucato> Q-collective: it's enabled though. Settings -> COnfigure Konversation -> Auto Replace
[07:31] <anon32> Q-collective, it's active here
[07:31] <anon32> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=test
[07:34] <Q-collective> hmm
[07:34] <Q-collective> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=test
[07:34] <Q-collective> ah
[07:34] <Q-collective> good :)
[07:34] <Q-collective> thx Jucato
[07:38] <AdamKili> ok ok here goes: I've mounted a samba share through LinNeighborhood and was wondering how to make it automatically mount it like that? I've followed a guide to permanantly mount samba shares, but it mounts it like it mounts a CD, anyone know how to mount it permanantly like LinNeighborhood does? I think LinNeighborhood uses the command smbmnt but i can't figure it out
[07:41] <jhutchins> AdamKili: What i do is I put it in my fstab as type smbfs, auto, credentials.
[07:42] <anon32> can anyone recommend a kwin theme that doesn't have rounded edges?
[07:42] <jhutchins> AdamKili: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[07:42] <winbond> does anyone know if i can specify on which core to run cpuburn or how i can run it on all cores at the same time?
[07:46] <David_Edmundson> winbond: what's CPU burn?
[07:46] <spiroo> hello
[07:47] <David_Edmundson> it won't run on all cores unless it's threaded...to make it use more than one core, simply load it twice
[07:47] <spiroo> I wonder how do I cleanup adept tmp? It has in someway locked me out from install or update. I cannot do anything. I have access in adept, that is not the problem. The problem is that I cannot install or anything.
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> !apt-fix | spiroo
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> !aptfix | spiroo
[07:48] <ubotu> spiroo: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:48] <spiroo> Then there is some error when trying to install jre1.4 (java)
[07:48] <spiroo> MilHouseRock, that is not the problem
[07:48] <spiroo> adept has not crach
[07:48] <spiroo> *crash
[07:49] <anon32> wtf, I need to compile new themes from source?
[07:49] <ubuntu> hi to all
[07:49] <emilsedgh> anon32: most the styles has packages, kde-style-*
[07:50] <anon32> yeah, but the fact that themes have to be compiled at all
[07:50] <anon32> ...
[07:50] <anon32> sounds broken
[07:50] <spiroo> adept says this when I trying to update:
[07:51] <spiroo> an error occured while updates should be done, someway like that
[07:52] <elite101> ello
[07:56] <_Shade_> how do i copy directory whole directory content (excluding subdirectory - just files in these) to another location?
[07:57] <llutz> cp -r /source /target
[07:59] <David_Edmundson> no, not that
[07:59] <David_Edmundson> cp source/* target/.
[08:01] <Max_Payne> anyone know how to add items to the right click menu in gnome when you right click a file
[08:02] <emilsedgh> Max_Payne: in Gnome?? this is the kubuntu channel, if you want that in KDE should take a look at KDE's Servicemenu's there is a tutorial on techbase.kde.org about them
[08:03] <Max_Payne> k, thanks
[08:05] <Frederick> folks I have a complain anyone else noticed the wireless apll from ubuntu beeing glitchy and buggy?
[08:05] <Frederick> I simply was unable to make it save my configs for the wireless net i use
[08:06] <screamx> can anyone help me please with wine and steam
[08:08] <elite101> wow i didnt know Konqueror downloads its own Plugins for Flash9???
[08:08] <spiroo> !soundfix
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:08] <spiroo> !audiofix
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audiofix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <spiroo> !mp3fix
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <spiroo> !mp3
[08:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <Karti> Hi all, I have a wireless usb and normally it works. But I am trying to install 32bit on a 64 bit system. IT seems to find everything except my usb ports,if someone could give pointers that would be fantastic - Cheers
[08:12] <dori> a recent update (from today) is causing me kernel panics, anyone else experience this?
[08:12] <dori> on feisty btw
[08:13] <winbond> what is the difference between generic and rt kernels?
[08:15] <llutz> winbond: rt means realtime, optimized latency
[08:15] <screamx> can anyone help with wine and steam?
[08:16] <winbond> llutz, what kind of latency?
[08:16] <llutz> winbond: for use in audio-systems etc.
[08:17] <winbond> llutz, so it doesnt help to run it on the desktop?
[08:17] <llutz> winbond: not at all
[08:17] <Biovore> rt kernels are really meant for embedded systems..
[08:17] <winbond> llutz, ok thanks
[08:19] <spiroo> what music format sounds best in linux gutsy?
[08:19] <adam> ok i know this is really basic, but how do I add a command for the computer to run at startup as root? i don't want it to bother me for my password either
[08:19] <spiroo> I wanna listen on music which sounds as it should be
[08:19] <NickPresta> spiroo, lossless formats. FLAC, for one.
[08:19] <Biovore> well flac is probably the best for quallity
[08:20] <spiroo> okay, flac then. Any other formats to recommend?
[08:20] <Biovore> ogg
[08:20] <NickPresta> You probably can't tell the difference between MP3 320kbps or Ogg Vorbis -q7.
[08:20] <Biovore> yeah..
[08:20] <adam> but ogg is lossy, just so you know
[08:20] <Biovore> yup. just like mp3
[08:21] <Biovore> different algroythems tough..
[08:21] <NickPresta> yeah.
[08:21] <NickPresta> Honestly, for portable devices, I use 320kbps MP3 and -q7 Ogg. I can't tell the difference. At home, when I have an amp and such, I use FLAC. It works out well
[08:21] <mrksbrd> is there a way to disable compiz fusion?
[08:22] <Biovore> to really hear the different on ogg vs mp4 you need to smash a sample down to 64Kb/s
[08:22] <mrksbrd> without installing it'
[08:22] <Biovore> ogg will still sound decent.. where mp3 will sounds like crud
[08:22] <mrksbrd> uninstalling that is!!!
[08:23] <adam> so does anyone know how to add a command for the computer to run at startup as root?
[08:24] <Biovore> adam: /etc/rc.local
[08:24] <Biovore> that will start it when the computer get turned on..
[08:24] <Biovore> add it in that script..
[08:25] <spiroo> hmm ogg-vorbis. Not many places to download in that format :D
[08:26] <spiroo> But is FLAC an open format?
[08:26] <llutz> spiroo: 90% of downloadably music is crap, so sound doesn't matter :)
[08:26] <spiroo> But in linux it cannot decode the sound good
[08:26] <spiroo> mp3 sounds like hell
[08:26] <llutz> flac is free
[08:26] <spiroo> In windows it works
[08:27] <llutz> use win then
[08:27] <adam> Biovore, do you know if it runs it as the root user? or do i need to add sudo to the command?
[08:27] <spiroo> No linux is better
[08:27] <Blissex> spiroo: the MP3 decoders available under LInux are pretty good, but many people prefer OGG Vorbis for sound quality.
[08:27] <spiroo> I jsut wanna listen to music without bugs/glippy sound
[08:27] <Blissex> spiroo: you have to install the better MP3 decoders or encoders.
[08:28] <spiroo> Okay, but the sound is not good. It is extremely disturbed from which it should be
[08:28] <spiroo> Which is the better ones then?
[08:28] <Biovore> yeah.. the default mp3 decoder you got probably dosn't handle vbr
[08:28] <Biovore> they why you hear the glitches.
[08:28] <Biovore> (thats)
[08:29] <Biovore> what you using for playback?
[08:29] <spiroo> I do not use the default. I am not sure what I use for what. I installed libxine-extracodecs
[08:30] <spiroo> But which packages playback plugins is the best?
[08:30] <spiroo> I jsut wanna listen to music so I can work. Cannot work when the sound, sounds like ******
[08:31] <Biovore> you using amarok for playback?
[08:32] <spiroo> yes
[08:33] <NickPresta> spiroo, perhaps you're doing something incorretly? My MP3 don't sound like crap. Where are you getting your music from?
[08:34] <spiroo> I use the music with highest bitrate and everything. The thing is that the decoders and plugins in linux does not handle mp3 correct because mp3 is a closed format.
[08:34] <spiroo> It is nothing wrong with the files
[08:34] <adenicio> elite101: u know how to enter recovery console on xp?with one of the f number like F10? my xp works for like 20seconds then sticks on me
[08:34] <Biovore> well I have no problems with mp3 playback here.. no skipping..
[08:34] <spiroo> Some music works, but when guitar and base it sounds glitchy and just noisy
[08:35] <spiroo> Biovore: which plugins and codecs do you use then?
[08:35] <Biovore> libxine-extra
[08:35] <spiroo> me too, some other problem then maybe.
[08:35] <Biovore> or mplayer
[08:36] <NickPresta> spiroo, if you have gstreamer-fuendo-mp3 install, remove it, and try gstreamer-bad instead (I've heard it helps a lot of people with "bad sounding" MP3s).
[08:36] <adenicio> #kubuntu-fr
[08:36] <spiroo> And I am absolutely sure it is nothing wrong on my files
[08:36] <llutz> but surely no generic-linux problem
[08:36] <spiroo> I do not have any gstream installed
[08:36] <Biovore> amarok can use gstream as a back-end as well...
[08:36] <spiroo> I think the interaction between my soundcard and linux is not very well
[08:37] <NickPresta> That is one possibility. :)
[08:37] <spiroo> i got in someway the music sound clearly but I have to reinstall all the time and then it updates and upgrade many packages.
[08:38] <adenicio> Biovore: are u good in solvin adept and apt-get problems?
[08:38] <spiroo> But the thing is that it sound correct in windows but not linux. Same files, different osund
[08:38] <Biovore> yeah.. But I hate doing it..
[08:38] <spiroo> *sound
[08:38] <NickPresta> !ask | adenicio
[08:38] <ubotu> adenicio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:39] <spiroo> !aptfix
[08:39] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:39] <adenicio> !lol | NickPresta
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <spiroo> But the sound problem, what could be wrong?
[08:40] <elite101> adenicio, when boooting up the computer rite befor the loading screen for WINDOWS XP then the slider bar press F5 or F8 befor it and then you will see a list of options Safemode/networking/Recove etc etc
[08:40] <llutz> spiroo: the driver, mixer-settings
[08:40] <spiroo> How do I know, which of them that is wrong then?
[08:41] <adenicio> elite101: ok i was playing with f_ f f10 none was good
[08:41] <adenicio> NickPresta: give me a while let me get the error to pop up then paste it in a pastebin
[08:42] <NickPresta> adenicio, okay :)
[08:42] <spiroo> llutz: ?
[08:42] <llutz> spiroo: test it
[08:42] <NickPresta> adenicio, I'll be back. I'm going to restart (kernel update)
[08:42] <llutz> spiroo: play around with mixer-setting and see if there's any differnece
[08:42] <spiroo> llutz: how, where, when, what?
[08:43] <spiroo> I have tried to change in mixer settings, no difference
[08:43] <llutz> spiroo: take the name of your soundcard and google for known probs.
[08:43] <llutz> spiroo: ask in #alsa for more ideas
[08:44] <spiroo> !nVidia MCP04
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia mcp04 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <spiroo> :D
[08:46] <winbond> can someone point me to a good tutorial how to permanently install kde4
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> look at the channel header
[08:47] <emilsedgh> winbond: sudo apt-get install kde4base
[08:47] <prak> Biovore: are you there?
[08:47] <winbond> i did, already tried it once and it didnt work
[08:47] <emilsedgh> winbond: thats the Beta1, very unstable, Beta2 will come in 5-6 days
[08:48] <winbond> emilsedgh, alright, thats what i want , beta2, i can wait 6 days i guess
[08:48] <winbond> emilsedgh, thanks
[08:48] <emilsedgh> winbond: np
[08:49] <emilsedgh> winbond: if you followed that page, you have Beta1
[08:49] <emilsedgh> winbond: you could launch programs from /usr/lib/kde4 (I think)
[08:50] <winbond> emilsedgh, i did that a few days ago, but i couldnt even get the kde4 started
[08:50] <U238Willy> hello.. is there a ktorrent channel.. i tried #ktorrent but there's nothing there.
[08:50] <emilsedgh> winbond: I think there will be no session to 'start' it, there are just a few programs that you should launch, from kde3 session
[08:50] <prak> Biovore: i have a few questions to follow up with the questions that i asked you a few hours earlier
[08:51] <Biovore> oO
[08:52] <Biovore> prak: I have it working here..
[08:52] <winbond> emilsedgh, i did have the kde4 session, but it wouldnt start, it kist kicked me back to the login screen
[08:53] <emilsedgh> winbond: I dunno, but if you want, you could even launch Plasma from KDE3
[08:53] <winbond> emilsedgh,  and i couldnt do anything in the xephyr becouse it wouldnt work right, all i could see is a blank screen with a mouse icon
[08:55] <emilsedgh> winbond: try to launch /usr/lib/kde4/bin/plasma
[08:56] <winbond> emilsedgh, im on a fresh install, gonna wait for beta2
[08:56] <prak> first of all, how do i remove a directory with rmdir such that "rmdir: piklab-0.14.5: Directory not empty" would be gone?
[08:57] <SlimeyPete> use rm -r instead, or clear the directory first using plain rm.
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> prak: "rm -rf <directory name>"
[09:02] <prak> thanks nosrednaekim
[09:03] <Karti> Hi, just installed 32 bit on a 64 bit machine and it works fine, apart from recognizing my usb ports .....any ideas?
[09:03] <scorpking> i'm unable to get past kdm after an upgrade. 'Xsessions: warning: unable to write to /tmp;'
[09:05] <NickPresta> damn that kernel upgrade. Screwing up my grub =(
[09:05] <intelikey> scorpking reboot in recovery mode and issue    rm -fr /tmp ;mkdir tmp ;chmod 1777 /tmp ;init 2
[09:07] <scorpking> intelikey: thanks. i think there is a permission issue. if i run commands with sudo i also get errors. will be back just now.
[09:07] <scheater5> intelikey: would you mind walking me through why you suggest that command?  You're basically erasing /tmp and making a new one that you have write permission on, right?
[09:08] <intelikey> scheater5 yes. total rebuild of the tmp di
[09:08] <scheater5> so what does ;init2 do?
[09:08] <Biovore> takes you to run level 2
[09:08] <intelikey> not init2   but  init 2
[09:08] <intelikey> switches to runlevel 2 (the default)
[09:08] <scheater5> ic.  Thank you.
[09:09] <Karti> Hi all, just installed 32 bit on a 64 bit machine and it works fine, apart from recognizing my usb ports .....any ideas?
[09:09] <adaptr> none whatsoever
[09:10] <orcsoul> hmm... anybody here happen to know how i'd go about specifying specific packages when doing a fresh install, instead of just accepting the load of stuff that i'll never use that the livecd auto-installs?
[09:10] <intelikey> only needs three commands actually    rm -fr /tmp ;mkdir tmp -m 1777 ;init 2
[09:10] <adenicio> NickPresta: OK i put my error in a pastebin at http://pastebin.com/m3a4189f0
[09:10] <NickPresta> orcsoul, it's probably best to do the full update and then remove the packages you don't want.
[09:11] <scheater5> orcsoul: or you could install the server edition and manually add what you want, psuedo-BSD style.
[09:11] <trimmy> hi, has someone else had problems with canon printers?
[09:11] <orcsoul> doh, i was hoping that wouldn't be the case... guess that's what i'm gonna hafta do
[09:11] <trimmy> mine is pixma ip2000
[09:12] <intelikey> orcsoul use the alternate install cd
[09:12] <orcsoul> i am using the mini iso for ubuntu.. but it locks up on me after it asks which gui i want to use..
[09:12] <intelikey> install server   and add what you want
[09:13] <orcsoul> but the server method lets you select individual packages?
[09:13] <tomarus> list
[09:14] <intelikey> orcsoul no it is the mimimal install for *buntu   thus only 395m of files to get you to a console
[09:14] <scheater5> orcsoul: and then you can install what you want from apt-get
[09:14] <orcsoul> ah gotcha, then i'll go that route ... guess i'm gonna hafta burn another cd then.. lol
[09:14] <orcsoul> thanks for the advice
[09:15] <intelikey> that wasn't intenede as irony actually     pathetic isn't it...
[09:15] <intelikey> minimal should be less than 100m
[09:15] <NickPresta> adenicio, I did some research and I can't find the error (probably because I don't have the exact message to search). Does this happen with all packages or just xaw3dg?
[09:16] <intelikey> there is at least 300m of bloat in any *buntu
[09:16] <NickPresta> intelikey, agreed.
[09:17] <scheater5> intelikey: it probably should be that small, but even the server edition in ubuntu is not exactly "sparse."  So long as you're comfortable with a cli, you're left with a cozy OS.
[09:17] <emilsedgh> they should remove those windows stuff and put packages into the discs, instead of an image...
[09:18] <intelikey> scheater5 that's kinda what i said.   except cozy and bloated by 4X it's needed size
[09:18] <llutz> emilsedgh: just a netinstall-iso (like debian) would do the job
[09:19] <intelikey> llutz not for dialup users
[09:19] <intelikey> !netinstall
[09:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:19] <emilsedgh> llutz: you have high access to the intenet, what about the others (like me!), dial up really su***
[09:19] <scheater5> Does anyone know where I could find a very recent low-latency kernel for ubuntu?
[09:20] <scheater5> as in, more recent than the feisty repos, and the gusty repos don't have low-latency.  2.6.22-9 or newer
[09:20] <intelikey> scheater5 kernel.org get the source and build to suit taste
[09:20] <jussi01> can someone help me make kopete open links in firefox not konq?
[09:20] <prak> Biovore: i have deleted the directory and reconfiguring the make file now
[09:20] <scheater5> O joy.  I was desperately hoping to avoid compiling my own kernel.  I've never done that.
[09:20] <prak> i've had some problems with a particular directory
[09:21] <prak> waiting to get the printout right now
[09:21] <Biovore> prak: reconfigured make file?  you mean ./configure --prefix=/usr  ?
[09:21] <prak> yes
[09:22] <intelikey> scheater5 it's not hard anymore   you unpack the tarball  cd into the source dir and issue  make menu-config     or make xconfig   and set it up the way you want  then   make ;sudo make install
[09:22] <jussi01> scheater5: I think there is a realtime in gutsy though...
[09:22] <scheater5> jussi01: there were headers but no image as of last night
[09:23] <jussi01> scheater5: ok, I know its almost there, I think there is a link on the ubuntuforums website, hang on a second
[09:23] <jussi01> scheater5: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441366
[09:24] <Biovore> prak: you working on make yet..
[09:24] <NickPresta> Is KOffice a a meta package. I want to remove Krita but apt wants to remove KOffice as well.
[09:24] <jts> hi all, compiling a new kernel, 2.6.22.5, but dont know how to generete the /lib/firmware uname-r
[09:24] <prak> Biovore: stilling working on make
[09:24] <jts> hi all, compiling a new kernel, 2.6.22.5, but dont know how to generete the /lib/firmware7'uname-r' files, anyone?
[09:25] <intelikey> !repete
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <scheater5> jussi01: why thank you.  I do believe that's exactly what I've been looking for
[09:25] <NickPresta> !repeat
[09:25] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:25] <Biovore> prak: ok cool.. let me know if it fails..
[09:26] <jussi01> scheater5: no probs
[09:26] <jussi01> :)
[09:26] <intelikey> jts doesn't it have a   make install-firmware   option ?    i know it has   make install-modules
[09:26] <adenicio> NickPresta: it happen whit all packs.i find people that had allmost the same prob but not with  sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox-libthai.if i can just uninstall that or fix it im good to go
[09:26] <scorpking> intelikey: still the same problem. Xsessions: unable to write to /tmp. it looks like a global permissions problem with something. /tmp is 777.
[09:26] <scheater5> But, for future reference - am I going to find something somewhere that says "low latency kernel" and compile that, or am I going to have to patch it myself?
[09:27] <intelikey> tmp should not be 777 it should be 1777
[09:27] <Biovore> no..
[09:27] <jussi01> scheater5: I think you will find realtime kernel, not low latency
[09:27] <Biovore> scheater5: its an option in the vinilla kernels..  (pre-emptable desktop)
[09:27] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> This is annoying. DigiKam's icon won't show up in KMenu, so I go and change it. I save the changes, and it STILL won't show up.
[09:28] <intelikey> and there is not "permission" that would prevent writing to a dir with 777 or 1777 perms
[09:28] <intelikey> so    full disk ?
[09:28] <intelikey> or bug
[09:28] <scheater5> Well, thank you all.  I guess I'm gonna go try this repo with rt kernels in it.
[09:28] <intelikey> pick your take and take your pick
[09:28] <Karti> someone tell me how to install 64bit usb drives or give me some pointers many thanks
[09:29] <scorpking> intelikey: i ran chmod 1777 /tmp as root. still same problem. :(
[09:29] <elite101> YES they sell C2D's in canada for 230$ xD
[09:29] <elite101> :) woot im getting one
[09:29] <jts> intelikey- do fakeroot make-dpkg --initrd --append to version... kernel_image kernel_headers  then intall the 2 images
[09:29] <scorpking> intelikey: kdm works fine. whatever runs after that has a problem. what logfiles should i check? Xorg?
[09:30] <adenicio> emilsedgh: hi i have problem installing packs etc with adept maneger and apt-get here are the errors i get http://pastebin.com/m3a4189f0
[09:30] <adenicio> scorpking:  hi i have problem installing packs etc with adept maneger and apt-get here are the errors i get http://pastebin.com/m3a4189f0
[09:30] <intelikey> scorpking kill dkm and run  startx as normal user
[09:31] <scorpking> intelikey: ok. one sec...
[09:31] <emilsedgh> adenicio: plz do not repeat, also that looks french, a little bit hard to understand, a few seconds please
[09:32] <scorpking> adenicio: i only have console on a laptop. not easy to jump around. have to fix something first. soz...
[09:32] <winbond> anyone familiar with crashme?
[09:32] <adenicio> emilsedgh: i translat it in the best i can
[09:33] <emilsedgh> adenicio: could I know that what package do you want to install?
[09:34] <emilsedgh> adenicio: ' files list file for package `firefox-libthai' is missing final newline', please apt-get update and try again, if didnt work please report a bug
[09:35] <scorpking> intelikey: same thing.
[09:35] <intelikey> honestly, i get uptight in a gui and my first instinct is to drop to a console so i can just issue the commands needed to preform the task at hand...
[09:35] <intelikey> scorpking what error message ?
[09:35] <intelikey> when startx fails it reposts on why
[09:35] <intelikey> so look for EE
[09:36] <adenicio> emilsedgh: no matter what i try to install its the same error
[09:36] <scorpking> intelikey: Xsessions: error: unable to write to /tmp. let me check again. one sec.
[09:36] <intelikey> scorpking issue   mount | grep ' / '
[09:37] <dick-richardson> can someone point me in the direction of a good resource to set kubuntu up to access the internet through my razr with alltel?
[09:38] <intelikey> razr ?
[09:38] <scorpking> intelikey: no other errors from X. everything is mounted rw.
[09:38] <intelikey> scorpking issue the command#   mount | grep ' / '
[09:39] <scorpking> intelikey: i did.
[09:39] <intelikey> it said ?\
[09:39] <scorpking> intelikey: showed mounted devices. all seems normal.
[09:39] <intelikey> and it said ?
[09:40] <scorpking> intelikey: lol. one sec
[09:41] <dick-richardson> intelikey: yeah, razr v3m\
[09:41] <scorpking> intelikey: it shows the same thing as a normal mount command. /dev/hda1 on / ....(rw,...
[09:41] <intelikey> also there isn't anything mounted on /tmp is there ?
[09:41] <llutz> dick-richardson: use kppp if you can connect the razr via bluetooth/usb
[09:42] <scorpking> intelikey: no
[09:42] <intelikey> ok   touch /tmp/boo
[09:43] <intelikey> any return on that investment ?
[09:43] <scorpking> intelikey: no errors
[09:43] <intelikey> ok   you have a bug my friend
[09:43] <intelikey> it's not an fs or permissions problem
[09:43] <dick-richardson> intelikey: i plugged the phone to the computer via usb...it's not seeing it as a modem
[09:43] <scorpking> intelikey: i think so too. permission bug. haha
[09:44] <intelikey> scorpking if so it's in the kernel
[09:44] <adenicio> emilsedgh: how to file a bug report?
[09:44] <intelikey> !bug
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[09:44] <adenicio> emilsedgh: in a forum?
[09:44] <scorpking> intelikey: i did not update the kernel. thanks anyway.
[09:44] <emilsedgh> adenicio: :), do you have firefox-libthai installed?
[09:45] <scorpking> cheers ppl. have fun!
[09:45] <adenicio> emilsedgh: i dont know if its install or not it just giving me problem.how to check if its install i dont know how to use the search thing good
[09:46] <emilsedgh> adenicio: open adept manager
[09:46] <intelikey> scorpking like i said you have a bug.   probably in kded or kwin     if it were a "permissions bug" as you said it would be in the kernel.   seeing that it's treated differently console -vs- xorg then it's extreemly unlikely that it's in the kernel.
[09:47] <intelikey> said too late i see.
[09:47] <intelikey> don't ya like the way people slam the door on their way out....
[09:47] <adenicio> emilsedgh: oh yeah lol
[09:47] <intelikey> gooday gents, i'm out.
[09:48] <emilsedgh> :P
[09:48] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Ok, I need help. Basically, the Kmenu entry for DigiKam isn't showing an icon. I open the menu editor, change the icon to point to the right one, and save. I check again, and it still doesn't show up. It's only DigiKam that's doing this.
[09:49] <adenicio> emilsedgh: yes its install
[09:49] <adaptr> WhtWolfTeraDyne so is the icon valid ?
[09:49] <emilsedgh> adenicio: try removing it (before removing see if its uninstalling the Firefox or not, if yes, do not remove it)
[09:50] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> adaptr: Yes. It's the one that comes with DigiKam when you install it.
[09:50] <adaptr> open it in gimp and check the specs
[09:50] <dick-richardson> anyone familiar w/using a razr as a usb modem?
[09:50] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> adaptr: It's the one that comes with Kubuntu, I mean. It works, it just won't display for the DigiKam entry.
[09:51] <adaptr> do what I said - open it in gimp, re-save it, see if that helps
[09:51] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> adaptr: I even made a second entry for DigiKam, and it shows up.
[09:52] <adenicio> emilsedgh: it dont want to uninstall :( the error keep popin up
[09:52] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> *sigh* now I can't get that old entry to go away.
[09:53] <emilsedgh> adenicio: i really dunno but looks like that the problem is from that package
[09:54] <adaptr> WhtWolfTeraDyne so edit the file, see what is going on
[09:54] <dick-richardson> what do I check when plugging something in via usb to see which /dev/ it is?
[09:54] <adenicio> emilsedgh: do u know if i delet it manually will it coast more prob?
[09:55] <emilsedgh> adenicio: yes, it will I think
[09:55] <WaltzingAlong> dick-richardson: such as? lsusb ? dmesg ?
[09:56] <adaptr> dick-richardson if you're on udev, check that
[09:57] <adenicio> emilsedgh: firts it xp now linux.i will just format all and done with it
[09:57] <WaltzingAlong> adenicio: what is the issue?
[09:57] <myrtille> hi, I'm once again experiencing troubles with konversation... would anyone have the time to help me?
[09:57] <dick-richardson> [73690.860000]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[09:57] <dick-richardson> [73691.020000]  usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[09:57] <dick-richardson> [73691.200000]  cdc_acm 1-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[09:57] <dick-richardson> [73691.204000]  usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_acm
[09:57] <dick-richardson> [73691.204000]  /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.25:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
[09:58] <emilsedgh> adenicio: thats not a usual problem, and if you play with it, could be easily fixed...
[09:58] <dick-richardson> oops, sorry :/
[09:58] <NickPresta> !ask | myrtille
[09:58] <ubotu> myrtille: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> myrtille: which problem?
[09:58] <myrtille> I'm trying to connect to a private server which is secured with an unsigned sshconnection
[09:59] <dick-richardson> so /dev/ttyACM0...?
[09:59] <myrtille> everytime I try to connect I get a lot of "ssh-connection" popups from kde
[09:59] <myrtille> the cpu is entirely in use for konversation and i can only kill it via shell
[09:59] <adenicio> emilsedgh: im playing with it 3days now i can even install any antivirus to check window
[10:00] <myrtille> I recall checking a box about ssh-information in konversation, but I don't recal what it said exavtly and i can't find it anymore, so i can't uncheck it
[10:00] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Ah, figured it out.locate lde-digikam.desktop
[10:00] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> gah, hold on
[10:01] <emilsedgh> adenicio: well, I just want to suggest you one thing: Firefox is not a good WebBrowser for Kubuntu, try Konqueror, it rocks...
[10:02] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> "locate kde-digikam.desktop" shows me where the desktop file is, and the permissions were wrong. Probably happened when I installed my personallized package for Digikam 0.9.2
[10:03] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> the desktop file that the menu was linking to in "~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu", I mean.
[10:03] <emilsedgh> adenicio: also, 3 days is not so long ;)
[10:05] <adenicio> emilsedgh: konqueror do some good stuf but i had prob with flash that it dont play thats why i install firefox just for 2 websites
[10:06] <emilsedgh> adenicio: Konqueror installs flash automatically, but did you install flash for firefox? then Konqueror should fond it
[10:06] <emilsedgh> s/fond/find
[10:07] <emilsedgh> adenicio: go to settings->configure konqueror->plugins and press 'scan for new plugins'
[10:08] <richard> im trying to install a plugin to kde that makes it look like mac os x
[10:08] <richard> whats the name of it
[10:08] <emilsedgh> richard: baghira
[10:09] <damian_> hi
[10:09] <damian_> how do i make a script to open an .bin file?
[10:10] <richard> how do i get baghira from apt-get
[10:10] <damian_> how do i make a script to open a .bin file?
[10:11] <llutz> sudo aptitude install kwin-baghira
[10:11] <nec> witam
[10:11] <emilsedgh> richard: ya, install kwin-baghira package, from adept or aptitude or apt-get :P
[10:12] <pk_> hi. i have a problem with my Dell Inspiron 6400 and ATI proprietary drivers, when i use them system doesn't enter suspend, it just hangs with blank screen. any ideas how to fix this ?
[10:12] <damian_>  how do i make a script to open a .bin file?
[10:12] <evri2> when i boot my kubuntu,it says debian GNU/Linux system now.Anyone have any idea?
[10:13] <prak> Biovore: http://www.pastebin.ca/678258 shows the partial results of the first make and second make
[10:13] <emilsedgh> evri2: Ubuntu is based on Debian :) thats simple...
[10:13] <evri2> emilsedgh: i know but why did it change?
[10:13] <damian_> did you remove something lately?
[10:13] <jmgii> Hello everyone. I'm getting the following error when I attempt to install updates: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.16-2ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: files list file for package `xserver-xorg-video-all' is missing final newline
[10:14] <evri2> nope
[10:14] <jmgii> I've tried to uninstall/reinstall or dpkg fix ... but nothing works. Any thoughts?
[10:14] <Arwen> jmgii, the package is just broken
[10:14] <jmgii> Arwen, I downloaded a new copy and can't remove/update the old one.
[10:14] <Arwen> hmm
[10:14] <damian_> did you actualized something?
[10:14] <evri2> do you know that grapical boot which show kubuntu logo and a progress bar?
[10:14] <Arwen> yes
[10:14] <jmgii> evri2, yes
[10:15] <Arwen> ...why is KDE spamming an "env" and "share" directory into my home folder?
[10:15] <evri2> it changed with lines which tolds what kubuntu do while booting.Like mounting filesystems etc.
[10:15] <evri2> activate swap
[10:15] <richard> i have macmenu applet installed
[10:15] <evri2> start HP printing system etc.
[10:16] <richard> does anyone know how to uninstall it
[10:16] <ScorpKing> intelikey: u still there?
[10:16] <damian_> does anyone now how to open a .bin file whit a script?? the console command is ./visualboyadvance rubi.zip to open pokemon rubi but how do i put that in a script
[10:17] <ScorpKing> intelikey: it's fixed. full root filesystem. 0% free. haha. i'm blond. thanks again for all the trouble. :-D
[10:17] <Arwen> say what?
[10:17] <Arwen> scripts are just chains of commands separated by newlines
[10:18] <serega> kubuntu rocks!
[10:18] <aguitel> anyone know how work LookingGlass ?
[10:18] <jmgii> arwen, I didn't change anything in the packages other than to install updates when they're available. Last week I started getting this error and now the updated packages are piling up (7 pending now)
[10:19] <x_link> Hi
[10:19] <damian_> this is my script:
[10:19] <damian_> #!bin/bash
[10:19] <damian_> cd /home/damian/Desktop/gameboy
[10:19] <damian_> exec ./VisualBoyAdvance rubi.zip
[10:19] <x_link> Questiontime again =)
[10:19] <emilsedgh> aguitel: did you try beryl/compiz?
[10:19] <Arwen> jmgii, look, what makes you think I know what to do?
[10:19] <x_link> Which is best to use in Kubuntu, aptitude or apt-get?
[10:19] <ScorpKing> aptitude
[10:19] <Arwen> damian_, well, does it work?
[10:19] <damian_> no thats the problem
[10:19] <x_link> ScorpKing: Okej.
[10:20] <damian_> it does nothing
[10:20] <aguitel> emilsedgh ,my card not support beryl
[10:20] <jmgii> arwen, perhaps you don't which is perfectly ok with me.
[10:20] <serega> x_link: adept_manager
[10:20] <Arwen> damian_, well, what happens?
[10:20] <emilsedgh> scorpking: why aptitude is better? (just asking, not offending)
[10:20] <ScorpKing> x_link: i find it very easy to work.:-D
[10:20] <emilsedgh> aguitel: so try #ubuntu-effects ?
[10:20] <aguitel> thanks
[10:20] <damian_> if i don t put executable in properties it opens an empity console
[10:21] <damian_> if i put it it does nothing
[10:21] <Arwen> ..............
[10:21] <Arwen> run the script in a... terminal maybe?
[10:22] <damian_> run in console does nothing to
[10:22] <rami> Have anyone experienced that Mozilla lage frequently?
[10:22] <damian_> it is a .sh archive
[10:22] <rami> lag*
[10:22] <Arwen> ...
[10:23] <prak> Biovore: did you get my last message?
[10:23] <Arwen> damian_, do a ls -l <script name>
[10:24] <damian_> it said me this
[10:24] <damian_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 damian damian 687220 2004-02-08 10:52 VisualBoyAdvance
[10:25] <Arwen> forget it, you're hopeless
[10:25] <damian_> why?
[10:28] <damian_> arwen why am i lost?
[10:28] <damian_> hopeless no lost sorry
[10:28] <Tux> hi there
[10:28] <kai_> hallo
[10:29] <kai_> hello
[10:29] <kai_> hi
[10:30] <nicolai_> !codeofconduct | Arwen
[10:30] <ubotu> Arwen: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:30] <Tux> hi kai
[10:30] <kai_> hi
[10:31] <kai_> hi tux
[10:32] <Tux> how are u doing kai_?
[10:32] <kai_> i watch tv Tux
[10:32] <Tux> ok
[10:32] <kai_> and you?
[10:33] <Tux> na, nothing here
[10:33] <kai_> are you german?
[10:33] <Tux> xD
[10:33] <Tux> nop
[10:33] <kai_> ok
[10:33] <Tux> im from argentina
[10:33] <prak> !youtube
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about youtube - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:34] <kai_> how old are you?
[10:34] <prak> Biovore: did you get my last message?
[10:34] <Tux> 16
[10:35] <kai_> ok i am 14
[10:35] <kai_> kubuntu is good
[10:36] <nicolai_> !offtopic | kai_ and Tux
[10:36] <ubotu> kai_ and Tux: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:36] <Tux> yea yea, ok, sorry
[10:36] <Tux> he was asking
[10:36] <kai_> n
[10:36] <nicolai_> Just saying :)
[10:36] <Tux> xD
[10:36] <kai_> hmm#
[10:37] <kai_> #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:38] <kai_> lol
[10:38] <Tux> ?
[10:38] <kai_> XD
[10:39] <kai_> i am watching mtv
[10:40] <Gangater> hr
[10:40] <[GuS] > Tux, vecino :P
[10:41] <Gangater> XD
[10:41] <Gangater> what for channels give it
[10:41] <Sapphire-Tux> xD
[10:42] <Gangater> how i install java on kubuntu??
[10:42] <[GuS] > for firefox plugin?
[10:42] <nicolai_> !java
[10:42] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:43] <[GuS] > sun-java5 is old
[10:43] <[GuS] > you have sun-java6
[10:43] <Gangater> yes
[10:43] <Sapphire-Tux> yep, yoo
[10:43] <[GuS] > so, will be sun-java6-jre
[10:43] <Sapphire-Tux> too*
[10:43] <Sapphire-Tux> sun-java6-jre
[10:43] <Sapphire-Tux> and sun-java6-plugins for firefox and other browsers
[10:43] <[GuS] > exactly
[10:44] <Sapphire-Tux> ^_^
[10:44] <Gangater> thats not going
[10:44] <Gangater> it can not find it
[10:44] <Arwen> doesn't Dolphin have any kind of a tree view?
[10:45] <Gangater> help
[10:45] <[GuS] > Dolphin remembers me Gnome nautilus... puaj
[10:45] <[GuS] > :P
[10:45] <Gangater> what must i do?
[10:46] <Sapphire-Tux> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[10:46] <Sapphire-Tux> u did that?
[10:46] <Gangater> yes can not find it then
[10:46] <somiran> my kopete is not working
[10:47] <emilsedgh> Arwen: dolphin of kde 3.x isnt good, the original dolphin iss on kde 4.x which has tree view, dont worry
[10:47] <Gangater> why cant find java
[10:47] <somiran> i mean it does not go to online
[10:47] <Arwen> emilsedgh, ok
[10:48] <Gangater> what should i do
[10:48] <somiran> i need help ?
[10:48] <Gangater> i too
[10:48] <Sapphire-Tux> umm..
[10:48] <Sapphire-Tux> thats weird..
[10:48] <Sapphire-Tux> u have kubuntu feisty?
[10:48] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:49] <[GuS] > just in case, do you have all repositories enabled?
[10:49] <Gangater> ??
[10:49] <gan|y|med> i am trying out compiz, but i don't have window borders. how can restart emerald?
[10:49] <somiran> help
[10:49] <Arwen> gan|y|med, emerald --replace
[10:50] <Gangater> meen me?
[10:50] <Gerrit> How do I instruct kubuntu to "whenever disconnected from access point <foo>, try to reconnect to access point <foo>"?
[10:50] <Arwen> Gangater, no. What was that? "can't find java"?
[10:50] <Gerrit> Now, I click on the KNetworkManager applet each time to do it by hand
[10:51] <Gerrit> and keep trying until it works
[10:51] <Gerrit> How do I best automise that?
[10:51] <Gangater> when i write sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin    it cant find  it
[10:51] <somiran> can anyone help me to work kopete
[10:52] <prak> http://www.pastebin.ca/678258 shows the partial results of the first make and second make of piklab tarball on its sourceforge website
[10:53] <somiran> #ubuntu.in
[10:53] <prak> i have been having trouble with the make process after successfully completing the ./configure process of the extracted contents of the tarbal
[10:53] <prak> *tarball
[10:53] <Gangater> help
[10:54] <somiran> none in india
[10:54] <nicolai_> Gangater: you need to enable the mulitverse and restricted repositories
[10:55] <Gangater> how
[10:55] <nicolai_> Gangater: are you in Feisty?
[10:55] <Gangater> what is it
[10:56] <Gerrit> What does KNetworkManagers 'connect to access point X' do under the hood, what command?
[10:56] <nicolai_> !feisty | Gangater
[10:57] <somiran> kopete help ?
[10:57] <ubotu> Gangater: Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[10:57] <emilsedgh> somiran: just ask...
[10:57] <principe-ante> joder cuanta gente ahi aqui
[10:57] <prak> !make
[10:57] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:57] <somiran> hello i have feisty but kopete is not working
[10:58] <Gangater> i have kubuntu 6.06
[10:58] <tashkowski> is it possible to know through apt-get if a certain package is already installed ?
[10:58] <nicolai_> somiran: how is it not working? you need to be more specific. :)
[10:58] <crimsun> tashkowski: dpkg -l foo
[10:58] <emilsedgh> somiran: whats the problem? doesnt get opened, doesnt connect...?
[10:58] <somiran> it does not going to online
[10:59] <somiran> ya rite it cant connect web
[10:59] <gan|y|med> thx
[11:00] <tashkowski> crimsun: o_O
[11:00] <nicolai_> Gangater: Sorry, I can't remember exactly how enable it in 6.06. Someone else might be of more use.
[11:00] <tashkowski> can you describe a little bit what the heck is that ?
[11:00] <prak> does anyone know how to change a particular path in a configure script?
[11:00] <Gangater> =*(
[11:01] <crimsun> tashkowski: it's a command that you execute from the command line.
[11:01] <crimsun> tashkowski: replace "foo" with the appropriate binary package name to query.
[11:01] <somiran> my kopete seems to be dead when i am trying to go online
[11:01] <screamx> can anyone help me with wine and steam???
[11:01] <nicolai_> Gangater: but if you open adept and go to "manage archive" you should get a list of sources.
[11:01] <crimsun> tashkowski: e.g., dpkg -l libc6
[11:01] <tashkowski> hmm nice
[11:03] <Gangater> yes i cant find it there
[11:04] <nicolai_> Gangater: add these two lines:
[11:04] <nicolai_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:04] <nicolai_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:05] <nicolai_> After you've added these repositories, click apply, then 'get updates' in Adept
[11:05] <nicolai_> Gangater: You got that?
[11:05] <Gangater> wait i search
[11:06] <bradsnet> So... I'm about at the end of my rope with these nvidia drivers... anyone willing to help? I tried installing nvidia-glx, I tried using the installation from nvidia.com... x simply won't start. Anyone?
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: you followed the ubuntu tutorial?
[11:07] <bradsnet> Maybe.
[11:07] <bradsnet> I'm using kubuntu... I followed every tutorial I could find.
[11:07] <nicolai_> bradsnet: From a fresh install this should work: install nvidia-glx, then go to system settings -> monitor and display -> hardware -> admin -> graphics card -> proprietary
[11:07] <prak> does anyone know how to change a particular path in a configure script?
[11:08] <myrtille> if anyone is still wondering about my konversationproblem: i found a link stating, that it's a bug of some sort :http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2006-December/001525.html
[11:08] <Gangater> for what i must watch java6??
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> prak: edit the configure script I think.
[11:08] <bradsnet> nicolai_: 1 sec
[11:08] <tashkowski> crimsun: thanks, that's just what I was looking for. Just one more thing, do you know what means the "p" word when one searches for packages with apt-get
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> prak: although EXPORT might work
[11:09] <nicolai_> Gangater: I'm not sure I understand you :/
[11:09] <Gangater> hm
[11:09] <tashkowski> *with aptitude
[11:10] <Gangater> what i  must install there
[11:11] <bradsnet> nicolai_: I get as far as graphics card... I don't see proprietary anywhere.
[11:11] <bradsnet> Okay, I see it, it is disabled.
[11:12] <bradsnet> Selecting my card doesn't enable it.
[11:12] <prak> nosrednaekim: currently editing the configure script in nano right now
[11:12] <nicolai_> bradsnet: installing nvidia-glx from the repositories should usually be enough to make it clickable.
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> prak: ok....
[11:13] <Gangater> at adept manager
[11:13] <Gangater> i cant find
[11:14] <bradsnet> installed....
[11:14] <prak> nosrednaekim: I'm having trouble with the make install command as described in http://www.pastebin.ca/678258 for installing piklab (tarball) from its sourceforge website
[11:14] <prak> i'm not sure which path i should change it to
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> ok.. I'll take a look
[11:14] <nicolai_> Gangater: did you follow the instructions I gave you earlier?
[11:14] <Gangater> this with adept manager?
[11:15] <nicolai_> Yes
[11:15] <Gangater> yes i do that
[11:15] <bradsnet> selected...
[11:15] <bradsnet> restarting x...
[11:16] <somiran> i wen to kopete page but could not worked out to run kopete
[11:16] <Gangater> hmm
[11:16] <bradsnet> Blank screen, flashing cursor.
[11:16] <somiran> sorry went to kopete ubuntu page
[11:17] <bradsnet> Can someone remind me where the x log is? It's like x.0.log or something?
[11:17] <pk_> /var/log
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> its in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:18] <vbgunz> anybody here run virtualbox 1.4.0, on kubuntu 7.04 and notice, X crashes on you randomly after either being idle or switching to another user account? also do you notice your mouse doing funny things on the desktop like being confused when dragging a file across it?
[11:18] <bradsnet> Failed to initialize the glx module?
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> prak: ah..looks like you installed it locally.
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: run "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[11:19] <prak> nosrednaekim: how do you know i've installed it locally?
[11:19] <prak> i can't open the program
[11:19] <Gangater> at adept manager? i search for java but there are nothing like plugins i think
[11:19] <bradsnet> Failed to load /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol _nv000043g1 <---the first error I see.
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> prak: lol... sorry, you missed a step. run "sudo make instal"
[11:20] <bradsnet> nosrednaekim: nvidia is listed.
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: hmm ok. would it be hard for you to pastebin your xorg log?
[11:21] <bradsnet> I have no idea how to go about that.
[11:21] <Gangater> ??
[11:21] <prak> nosrednaekim: the pastebin has the "sudo make install" steps below
[11:21] <prak> it failed
[11:21] <prak> b/c of some path problems
[11:22] <Gangater> admin
[11:22] <bradsnet> What about the error I posted, not useful?
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> I don't see any make install or errors there of.
[11:22] <bradsnet> Failed to load /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol _nv000043g1 <---the first error I see.
[11:22] <GoodHabit> Hello. How I can install kde4 on my kubuntu feisty? Where I can find the instructions for newbie?
[11:22] <redfive> can someone help with compiz?
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: look at the title bar.
[11:22] <Gangater> hhelp
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[11:22] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:23] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: install kde4base from adept manager
[11:23] <emilsedgh> redfive: just ask...
[11:23] <redfive> compiz is beryl now?
[11:23] <somiran> gangater if there is no java in your adept then update your adept
[11:23] <Gangater> how
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: any other errors?
[11:23] <GoodHabit> emilsedgh: Yes, i have installed. But i dunno how to run. Can u help me? I have some troubles with english, so it is hard for me. ^|
[11:24] <emilsedgh> redfive: no, Beryl forked from Compiz, now they are merged again with the name of 'CompizFusion'
[11:24] <bradsnet> Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so
[11:24] <bradsnet> Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)
[11:24] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: thats not hard, just run application from /usr/lib/kde4/bin
[11:24] <bradsnet> That's all.
[11:24] <somiran> what options do you get in your adept
[11:25] <GoodHabit> What application?
[11:25] <prak> nosrednaekim: hence the need to edit my configure script
[11:25] <GoodHabit> Sorry, explain me plese...
[11:25] <redfive> ok where is the best guid for CompizFusion
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: ok... did you try the restricted-manager yet?
[11:25] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: every application that you want, go to /usr/lib/kde4
[11:25] <bradsnet> Yes, it makes things far worse.
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> prak: I don't understand, I do not see, in that paste, any place where you ran "make install"
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: but vesa works?
[11:26] <GoodHabit> What about whole KDE4 desktop?
[11:26] <GoodHabit> Is it real?
[11:26] <bradsnet> vesa works, nv works
[11:26] <bradsnet> I just want to get 3d acceleration working to play a game.
[11:26] <Gangater> is here anobody german`?
[11:27] <nemo_> hallo
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: yeah.... what bard?
[11:27] <prak> nosrednaekim: http://www.pastebin.ca/678332
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> *card
[11:27] <Gangater> hmm
[11:27] <bradsnet> So, is it possible I don't have libglx installed? or is it supposed to install with nvidia-glx?
[11:27] <prak> printout got over limit
[11:27] <bradsnet> geforce 6800 go ultra
[11:28] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: yup, run plasma from there
[11:28] <redfive> what is the best wat to get samba working on kubuntu? like auto mapping network shares and such?
[11:28] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: go to KMenu->run command, then run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/plasma
[11:29] <bradsnet> Hmm, that libglx.so is definately where it says it can't find it...
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> prak: ah.. ok. I don't know if that is a PATH problem at all. seems to be a problem with actually MAKEING a directory.
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: did you try leaving a post on the forums? more people see that.
[11:30] <prak> nosrednaekim: ok...
[11:30] <Arwen> man, now that I added a second display, I can't find any good use for my 4 virtual displays
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: lol
[11:30] <GoodHabit> Wow, so easy? Last question - good way is install kde4base-dev or kde4base?
[11:30] <hans_> jemand da der deutsch spricht?
[11:31] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, I mean, with the new space, I just can't be bothered to switch between desktops :-\
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> :)
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: I'd install both just to be sure
[11:31] <bradsnet> I've been trying to save that for a last resort...
[11:31] <Gangater> help
[11:31] <bradsnet> I dislike forums.
[11:31] <danielronin> can anyone help me figure out if I'm using proper version of fiesty for my new laptop? I have an Asus F3t with a Turion T-56, but I used an i386 install disc as it was the only one I had d/led at the moment
[11:31] <danielronin> is this just an issue of getting some new drivers?
[11:31] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: kde4base-dev is not for you, thats for developers, try kde4games, kde4multimedia and... (most of them are very unstable and do not work)
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> danielronin: thats fine.
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: I read that you needed kde4base-dev.
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> as well
[11:32] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: thats for dev's, i installed them witouth it
[11:33] <Gangater> nick dacer
[11:33] <bradsnet> Someone with the same problem on the forum was linked to this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 I don't see what there relates.. any clues?
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:33] <danielronin> what should i use to get compiz running? the turion is a 64x2, but can i do that if i installed an i386 iso?
[11:33] <dacer> yeah
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> danielronin: oh yeah... I have a turion x2 running fiesty 32 bit. everything works
[11:34] <danielronin> should i use the i386 graphics packages or the 64? (also have nVidea 7600 geforce go)
[11:35] <prak> nosrednaekim: how would you suggest to solve the problem?
[11:35] <bradsnet> That is one reason I dislike forums, people just post a link expecting you to know what the heck they are talking about... what they want you to see...
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: right.... I think the point to that one was the instructions on the bottom on the first post.
[11:36] <dacer> german??
[11:36] <bradsnet> I followed those already....
[11:36] <GoodHabit> Whai is replacing kicker on kde4?
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: oops... NM.. its the SECOND post.
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: it will be replaced by a plasmoid.. but that hasn't happened yet.
[11:36] <dacer> #ubuntu
[11:37] <danielronin> nosrednaekim: so far everything is wonderful, but i noticed the openGL screensavers are choppy, moreso than i'd expect with that 256vram and that turion
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: did you try that command in the second post when manually installing?
[11:37] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: no, the plasmoids will be placed on it...Panel will be a container...
[11:37] <danielronin> know why that might be?
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> danielronin: yeah... what video card do you have>
[11:37] <bradsnet> I'm using the 100.14.11 driver... it says 100.14 doesn't need that workaround.
[11:37] <danielronin> a 7600 geforce go
[11:37] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: and its development in being started...
[11:38] <GoodHabit> And I think last. New applications - new amarok, new kopete. Where to find them?
[11:38] <bradsnet> I suppose I could do it anyway.
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. I know... but its not in beta1
[11:38] <danielronin> is there a beter driver i should be using?
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> danielronin: yeah.. probably, get the restricted-manager and install the nvidia driver
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: why so bleeding edge for that older card?
[11:39] <bradsnet> It's what nvidia told me to do.
[11:39] <bradsnet> Heck if I know.
[11:39] <bradsnet> Why wouldn't I install the latest drivers?
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> prak: I'd ask on the package'smailing list.
[11:40] <prak> ok
[11:40] <GoodHabit> Huh... Kopete do not supports jabber (((
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: lol. normally the stock nvidia drivers work... did you try to debug those? Like look at log files and all?
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: yeah.. it does
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> in kde3 at least
[11:40] <GoodHabit> I mean kde4 kopete
[11:40] <GoodHabit> ^)
[11:40] <bradsnet> Yeah, I think those gave a different error.
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> bradsnet: eh.... I thought the 100 series was still kinda in a beta stage.,... but I may be wrong
[11:41] <prak> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> prak: sorry that I couldn't help more
[11:42] <bradsnet> Okay, that was odd.
[11:42] <prak> nosrednaekim: Biovore managed to install it clean
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> what?
[11:42] <bradsnet> X just restarted on my ubuntu system, what I'm using to talk in here... no error or anything. Sigh.
[11:44] <prak> nosrednaekim: i talked to Biovore on this channel 12 hours ago
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[11:44] <prak> and he managed to install it
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> prak: thats odd
[11:44] <danielronin> nosrednaikim: restricted-manager?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> danielronin: yeah "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager" it helps you set up proprietary video drivers and such.
[11:46] <halohunter> hello
[11:46] <danielronin> thanks =)
[11:46] <halohunter> i can u help me
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> yup.. askyour question
[11:47] <halohunter> i need help setting up team speak on my cpu
[11:47] <halohunter> i use ubuntu 7.04
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> team speak?
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> what is that>
[11:48] <halohunter> somthing so u can talk to people on diff games
[11:49] <halohunter> like talk to some one wile playing wolf et
[11:49] <SlimeyPete> it's sort of like game-oriented voip chat
[11:49] <halohunter> yes
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> bye all!
[11:50] <halohunter> is namol on i know he can help me
[11:51] <bradsnet> I wonder if this is my issue: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-bugzilla-noise/2004-March/000109.html
[11:51] <bradsnet> Oh, he left.
[11:52] <bradsnet> Sigh.
[11:52] <snowdonkey> Hey guys, I want Windows XP & Vista virtualization like Parallels for Mac.  I've know about VMWare.  Any others you recommend?
[11:55] <redfive> ok, how do i completly remove beryl?
[11:57] <snowdonkey> redfive: did you install it in Feisty?
[11:57] <redfive> yes
[11:57] <danielronin> how do i access restricted-manager in KDE?
[11:58] <redfive> i had beryl working fine, and im now trying to switch to compiz fution
[11:59] <redfive> does compiz fition hevr window decorations like emerald?
[12:00] <snowdonkey> redfive: try typing: "sudo aptitude purge beryl" or "sudo apt-get remove beryl", whichever you used to install
, does that remove emerald too?
[12:01] <redfive> i caint find any theme manager like there was with beral for emerald
[12:01] <GoodHabit> Hello. Where I can find pptp vpn configurator? I cannot find it.
[12:02] <prak> Biovore: are you there?
[12:03] <DaleksUnited> help_me: with what? :P
[12:04] <help_me> hii all first
[12:04] <ScorpKing> hi
[12:05] <help_me> i have beryl problem i cant found a nice driver for ati sapphire x550 slient
[12:05] <Arwen> Beryl is dead software...
[12:05] <Arwen> !fglrx
[12:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:06] <help_me> can supported beryl ?
[12:06] <Arwen> I don't know, it's dead software so I stopped caring.
[12:07] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:08] <GoodHabit> I have kubuntu on my pc. How I can use PPTP VPN on kubuntu using kubuntu tools?
[12:08] <help_me> one min later for change os....
[12:10] <_michael> Hi is there a way to make a second kicker panel use a different background tile than the main panel?
[12:15] <GuyFromHell> okay... so i accidentally deleted /boot (long story involving windows bootloader)...
[12:15] <GuyFromHell> anyone have any ideas?
[12:16] <ScorpKing> is there way to load the password for an encryted loopback filesystem from a usb flash disk at startup?
[12:16] <ScorpKing> *encrypted
[12:17] <ScorpKing> GuyFromHell: do you have a spare hd?
[12:18] <GuyFromHell> ScorpKing: why?
[12:19] <GuyFromHell> (it's a laptop either way)
[12:19] <ScorpKing> GuyFromHell: do another install on it and copy the files from /boot. :-)
[12:21] <ScorpKing> GuyFromHell: laptop is not that easy. can't just add another drive. i just spend all day getting mine back up.
[12:21] <GuyFromHell> nvm i found it
[12:27] <bradsnet> I don't suppose anyone wants to try to help me get nvidia-glx working?
[12:27] <klobster> !nvidia | bradsnet
[12:27] <ubotu> bradsnet: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:27] <bradsnet> Yeah, I did that.
[12:28] <bradsnet> And followed the links to deal with issues and did all that stuff too.
[12:28] <klobster> what happened?
[12:28] <bradsnet> Boots to a blank screen with a flashing cursor...
[12:29] <bradsnet> The Xorg.0.log has had errors sometimes, sometimes not... currently no errors but I still get the same effect, blinking cursor, nothing.
[12:29] <bradsnet> It's a laptop, it's not outputting to a secondary device.
[12:30] <klobster> sounds a bit over my head, I'm afraid.
[12:30] <bradsnet> Sometimes it says it can't load libglx.so.
[12:30] <bradsnet> Yeah, seems like I'm just screwed.
[12:30] <klobster> it doesn't get to a shell prompt?
[12:31] <ScorpKing> bradsnet: sounds like the drivers doesn't get loaded
[12:31] <bradsnet> No, but I can get to one with ctrl+alt+f1
[12:31] <klobster> sounds like it's hanging while waiting for a driver, check your kernel log
[12:31] <bradsnet> scorp: Yeah, someone showed me how to check that... it seemed they were... by now I may have screwed things up too badly to figure that out though.
[12:31] <bradsnet> kernel log?
[12:32] <klobster> bradsnet: can you dpaste the dmesg output?
[12:32] <klobster> bradsnet: it's in the same folder as your X log
[12:33] <bradsnet> kern.log? Doesn't seem to have any nvidia related errors, or any others that I can recongize.
[12:33] <bradsnet> dmesg?
[12:33] <bradsnet> dpaste?
[12:34] <ScorpKing> bradsnet: if all fail, install drivers while in runlevel 1 and go back to 3 or 5 (whatever). u should have graphics but after u restart the problem might be back.
[12:34] <sumguy231> bradsnet: Either look at /var/log/dmesg, or just get the output of the 'dmesg' command. Then use the pastebin.
[12:35] <bradsnet> dmesg | grep nvidia returns nothing if that helps.
[12:35] <bradsnet> I'm not sure how I can do that.
[12:35] <klobster> !pastebin
[12:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:36] <sumguy231> I stepped in a little late on this conversation, did you ever post the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? That would probably help a lot.
[12:36] <bradsnet> I'm not sure how I could do that either.
[12:36] <bradsnet> Only way I can get into X at the moment is if I reconfig to use "nv" ...