[01:15] <jussi01> hmmm, kde4 still sucks
[01:27] <SeveredCross> Anyone else get no sound out of gstreamer?
[01:35] <arkygeek> hihi
[01:35] <arkygeek> well, my laptop is complaining about gutsy...  after trying a suspend, i can no longer even boot to X
[01:36] <arkygeek> I am currently trying a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:43] <rvalles> arkygeek: had a similar problem with a non-laptop... I tried to suspend it and it wouldn't work, even after powering it down by pressing power button 4 seconds
[01:43] <rvalles> arkygeek: power supply switch off/on fixed it.
[02:44] <ubuntu_> Can anyone help with the post I just made http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3288781#post3288781
[02:50] <nosebleed> Hi folks, I'm using Gutsy... I'm using the nVidia CK804 ethernet card with the forcedeth module.... and my connection is very slow.... sometimes less than 10K/s
[02:50] <nosebleed> is there a bug? Is that the right module for that card?
[02:50] <nosebleed> Usually my connection is around 450K/s
[02:51] <lavigne> looking for help with Gutsy and it hijacking a second drive as dm-0 anyone have any hints.
[02:51] <lavigne> ?
[03:21] <rjc21> hi all. when i login to gutsy i get a gnome-settings-daemon error. any ideas why?
[03:37] <graft> hey, how do i tell what X version i'm running?
[03:40] <rjc21> graft: Xorg -version seems to work
[03:41] <graft> that tells me 1.3.0
[03:41] <graft> shouldn't it be like, 7.1.something?
[03:44] <kousotu> can someonewalk me through ndiswrapping Atheros AG5007EG wifi card?
[03:44] <graft> actually my problem is fglrx is complaining that the Xorg version is not > 7.1.0.0
[03:45] <graft> but apparently my version is actually 1.3.0??
[03:46] <lavigne> the fix for the dm error is to exclude the disks in the evms config in /etc/evms.conf and reboot
[03:46] <rjc21> try dpkg -s xserver-xorg
[03:47] <lavigne> graft are you build the fglrx driver yourself?
[03:47] <graft> lavigne: hells, no
[03:47] <graft> lavigne: using the one in the repository
[03:50] <mr-russ> If I have a bug in 7.10 that's reported upstream, but not in launchpad, should I report it in launchpad.  Or what is best to do?
[03:57] <arooni> ucan anyone help me fix my sound problem in gutsy?
[03:57] <mr-russ> depends on your problem
[04:06] <kousotu> arooni: when did it happen>
[04:06] <kousotu> after updating?
[04:19] <kousotu> can someone help me with wifiradar?
[04:22] <arooni> kousotu, yes exactly!
[04:23] <arooni> i have a t61 with intel hda sound card..... and i installed alsa drivers from source, then modprobed intel_snd_hda .... then it worked!!!  later, i ran a sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <arooni> then it stopped working
[04:23] <kousotu> arooni: it's a bug, report it
[04:24] <arooni> kousotu, where do i do that
[04:24] <arooni> kousotu, and is there a way of fixing it?
[04:24] <kousotu> arooni: none that
[04:24] <kousotu> i've tried
[04:24] <kousotu> ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[04:26] <arooni> oh noes
[04:27] <hydrogen> has knetworkmanager been replaced in gutsy by something else new?
[04:28] <hydrogen> oh
[04:28] <hydrogen> network-manager-kde
[04:28] <hydrogen> :)
[04:53] <contrast83> Thank god they finally took the purple out of the default color scheme.
[04:54] <contrast83> They should make launchpad.net the default homepage in Firefox/Konqueror for the test releases of *Ubuntu.
[04:55] <unique> when the final version of 7.10 comes out will i need to do a complete reinstall or can i just upgrade
[04:55] <contrast83> just upgrade
[04:55] <unique> im running build 5
[04:55] <unique> ok
[04:56] <unique> and how do i find out the version i am running just to double check
[04:56] <contrast83> I upgrade compulsively when I'm running test releases, i.e., 2-3 times/day. That might be overkill though. Heh
[04:56] <contrast83> unique: What do you mean?
[04:56] <unique> i want to make sure im running 7.10 ....every thing looks the same
[04:57] <rockets> Anybody using the gutsy thunderbird 2?
[04:58] <unique> when i go into fire fox it says Welcome to Ubuntu 7.04, Feisty Fawn!
[04:58] <contrast83> unique: The pre-release versions they put out .iso's for are just milestone releases. There's no difference between installing tribe 1 and updating when tribe 5 comes out as opposed to just installing straight from the tribe 5 cd.
[04:59] <contrast83> unique: Erm... $ cat sources.list
[04:59] <snax> hello there
[04:59] <contrast83> unique: I'm sure there's a better way than that, but I'm not aware of it.
[04:59] <snax> is anyone running gnome-main-menu in gutsy?
[04:59] <snax> aka slab
[05:00] <unique> i get command not found
[05:01] <contrast83> umm... wow. o_O
[05:01] <unique> sorry im still really new at this
[05:01] <contrast83> no problem... jumping in deep waters to learn how to swim?
[05:02] <contrast83> You read the channel topic, right? :-)
[05:03] <unique> that is located where?
[05:03] <contrast83> It should be the first message when you came in this room.
[05:03] <Toma-> 'cat /etc/issue
[05:03] <Toma-> '
[05:04] <Toma-> to see your release version
[05:04] <contrast83> ahh. Thanks, Toma-. I was used to just seeing it in kcontrol, but it appears that functionality's either been removed or just isn't working atm.
[05:05] <Toma-> np
[05:05] <unique> ok i try both lines and they both bring back no such file or director
[05:05] <unique> y
[05:05] <arooni> does anyone have the t61 with built in camera?  if so, have you gotten the built in monitor working?
[05:05] <arooni> i mean bulit in camera
[05:06] <Toma-> well you might not be using ubuntu then. or linux for that matter
[05:06] <Toma-> because 'cat' is part of the basic commands
[05:06] <contrast83> either that or things are seriously screwed.
[05:07] <contrast83> unique: Any particular reason you wanted to use Gutsy over Feisty?
[05:08] <unique> i want to learn something new
[05:08] <unique> i type cat and then i am prompted to unlimited text entry
[05:10] <contrast83> unique: copy and paste this (no quotes) "cat /etc/issue" and hit Enter
[05:11] <contrast83> unique: you'll need to hit Ctrl+C first if you haven't already cleared out of the last time you ran cat without an argument (the file you want cat to display the contents of in this case)
[05:11] <unique> yhea i get no such file or directory
[05:11] <unique> did
[05:12] <unique> same issue
[05:12] <contrast83> unique: you aren't running from a live cd are you?
[05:12] <Toma-> live cd has issue aswell, iirc
[05:13] <contrast83> you mean the command should work there regardless?
[05:13] <unique> uh cd is still in drive but i almost positive that i booted from hd
[05:14] <unique> let me reboot be back in a moment
[05:14] <contrast83> lol
[05:15] <contrast83> "yeah, i don't know how to drive, but i think i should start out with an 18-wheeler."
[05:18] <contrast83> unique: What's the verdict?
[05:18] <unique> was it "cat/etc/list"
[05:19] <contrast83> cat /etc/issue (note the space between cat and /etc)
[05:19] <contrast83> unique: how long have you been using linux?
[05:20] <unique> 2 days
[05:20] <unique> Ubuntu gutsy (development branch) \n \l
[05:20] <contrast83> unique: yeah, you're using gutsy. honestly though, you really shouldn't be. :-\
[05:20] <DanaG> Unstable distros are not good for first-timers -- too much risk of breakage, and without experience, you may not know how to fix things.
[05:20] <snax> ok
[05:20] <snax> can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/136515
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136515 in gnome-main-menu "Tooltips do not disappear" [Undecided,New] 
[05:21] <kousotu> DanaG: idk about that. I'm runinggutsy, and I'm a first-timer
[05:21] <kousotu> the newer hardware isn't supported wil on fiesty
[05:21] <kousotu> well*
[05:21] <contrast83> unique: i respect your eagerness to learn, but there's plenty to learn in stable releases. i was using linux about 8 months before i tried a test release, and i learned tons in those 8 months.
[05:22] <kousotu> snax: can you,in a nutshell describe the bug?
[05:22] <unique> yhea but whats the worst i can do if i dont have any valuable documentation created... have to reformat and reinstall...
[05:23] <snax> when you select a favorite application from the slab menu, a tooltip appears and doesn't go away by itself
[05:23] <snax> even if you click the launcher before the tooltip appears, it will *still* appear after the menu has already been closed
[05:23] <snax> you have to click it to get rid of it
[05:23] <contrast83> unique: right. and the time you spend reformatting and reinstalling is taking away from the time you could be spending to learn new stuff.
[05:24] <kousotu> snax: unds like that windos glitch that pises me off
[05:24] <kousotu> lol
[05:24] <kousotu> sounds*
[05:24] <kousotu> (refering to Windows XP)
[05:24] <unique> ok... is there no easy way to downgrade?
[05:24] <snax> it's really annoying because I like the slab menu
[05:24] <contrast83> unique: right. just download the feisty cd and install from that. i don't think it's even possible to downgrade.
[05:25] <kousotu> snax: never heard of/ used it
[05:25] <snax> sudo aptitude install gnome-main-menu
[05:25] <contrast83> unique: how big is your hard drive?
[05:25] <kousotu> unique: are you rnning only ubuntu?
[05:25] <snax> killall gnome-panel
[05:25] <snax> add it to your panel
[05:25] <contrast83> kousotu: yeah, he's only been using linux for 2 days.
[05:26] <contrast83> or did you mean is he dual-booting w/ windows?
[05:26] <kousotu> contrast83: that's not what I asked
[05:26] <kousotu> the 2nd bit
[05:26] <contrast83> my fault
[05:26] <unique> i have a 320gb that is not hooked up it has vista on it... the drive that i have ubuntu on is a 80 gig
[05:26] <kousotu> but again, doesn't HAVE tobe windows
[05:26] <kousotu> you're better off running Gtsy imo
[05:27] <contrast83> unique: you know you can have both drives hooked up and pick whether you want to boot into ubuntu or windows when you turn the computer on, right?
[05:27] <unique> yhea but its ntfs and i wasent sure how the partion would handle
[05:27] <kousotu> unique: what is our computer make and model?
[05:28] <bullgard4> I want to stay for a while with my 2.6.20-16-generic kernel yet but I'd like to test if the 2.6.22 kernel supports resume from suspend-to-disk better. I am not versed with kernel building. Is it safe to copy /cdrom0/pool/main/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb to /usr/src in order to install a 2.6.22 kernel on trial?
[05:28] <kousotu> unique: the partion will handle fine, I have complete control ove both my linux and Window partions, o either os
[05:28] <unique> msi kn8 neo v2.0 mobo ... sempron 2800 processor
[05:28] <contrast83> unique: linux can read ntfs fine. if you want to be able to write to the vista drive though, you'll need to install a couple things ($ sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config) iirc
[05:29] <kousotu> unique: self-built?
[05:29] <unique> yhea
[05:29] <kousotu> ah.
[05:29] <kousotu> a 2.8ghz?
[05:29] <kousotu> hat's gotta be nice
[05:29] <kousotu> lol
[05:29] <kousotu> that*
[05:30] <unique> im soon ready for the socket f but not enuf driver support
[05:30] <contrast83> semprons aren't dual-core, right?
[05:30] <kousotu> no, turons are
[05:30] <unique> yhea its the only make of sempron that is 64x
[05:31] <kousotu> what's the difference?
[05:32] <contrast83> unique: if you insist on running gutsy, i'd recommend manually setting up the partitions next time you reinstall and setting seperate ones for /home and /
[05:32] <unique> nothing becuse im running 32bit os
[05:32] <kousotu> lol
[05:32] <contrast83> unique: that way your settings and stuff will be left in tact when you reinstall again (just don't format the /home partition when you reinstall)
[05:32] <kousotu> unique: do you want me to send you my ext3 driver for windows?
[05:33] <kousotu> then if something bad happens youcan move the impornt stuff
[05:33] <kousotu> important*
[05:34] <contrast83> kousotu: he wouldn't even need to do that if he sets seperate partitions though, right?
[05:34] <kousotu> contrast83: Ihave an ext3 driver, it' my failsafe
[05:34] <kousotu> it's*
[05:34] <unique> sure
[05:35] <contrast83> kousotu: won't the permissions get borked when you move them to a windows partition, or does this driver keep them proper?
[05:35] <kousotu> you should be able to unstall it on vista, but I'm not sure
[05:35] <contrast83> kousotu: are you using it on xp?
[05:35] <kousotu> ye
[05:35] <kousotu> yes*
[05:35] <kousotu> and as longas you leave theformatting of linuxalone, it will too
[05:36] <d4rkmonkey> hey, any known issues with gutsy having to do with touchpads randomly stopping working?
[05:36] <kousotu> itjust attaches a drive letter to it
[05:36] <d4rkmonkey> because my mouse just stopped working recently...
[05:36] <d4rkmonkey> and then I restarted, it worked for 5 minutes then stopped again
[05:36] <kousotu> so instrad of / it would be X:/
[05:36] <kousotu> so instrad of / it would be X:\
[05:36] <contrast83> call me paranoid, but if i were dual-booting, i wouldn't even want my linux partition visible to windows. i'd be worried a virus might somehow attack it.
[05:36] <d4rkmonkey> I tried restarting X
[05:37] <d4rkmonkey> and restarting my comp only worked momentarily.
[05:37] <kousotu> contrast83: that's impssible
[05:37] <kousotu> no windows virus can run on an ext3 partion
[05:38] <contrast83> kousotu: it wouldn't be running on ext3, it'd be running on ntfs (i.e., when you're in windows)
[05:38] <kousotu> er... this would be the /home folder on windows: x:\/home
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> kousotu errm what if it ran from the NTFS partition, and you had windows configured tobe able to read/write EXT3?
[05:38] <unique> d4kmonkey is it battery operated?
[05:38] <contrast83> exactly
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> unique nope.
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> unique touchpad on my laptop...
[05:38] <contrast83> d4rkmonkey: did you try reinstalling the synaptic module?
[05:39] <kousotu> my windows CN read and write to ext3
[05:39] <d4rkmonkey> contrast83 I never installed any specific module for it. It worked up until recently.
[05:39] <kousotu> but no virus can infet a linux partion, while running on linux, so the infection would be al too obvious
[05:39] <unique> what about Ext4 any better?
[05:39] <contrast83> d4rkmonkey: *maybe* try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfree86-driver-synaptics
[05:39] <kousotu> never heard of ext4
[05:40] <contrast83> kousotu: you're missing our point
[05:40] <kousotu> oh.. sory, gon sidetracked unique
[05:40] <kousotu> contrast83: explain it then
[05:40] <contrast83> the virus is running *while* you're in windows. it looks at all the mounted partitions and rapes them. not possible?
[05:40] <unique> The ext4 filesystem can support volumes with sizes up to 1 exabyte....
[05:41] <contrast83> exabyte = 1,000 terabytes?
[05:41] <contrast83> or is that petabyte?
[05:41] <unique> 1 exabyte.... who in the world
[05:41] <holzmodem> hi, have some problems with my radeon card. every time i will activate "AGPfastwrite" for better performance, the whole notebook freezes with white screen, only pushing power button works (ati radeon 9700 mob. + open driver) under feisty it worked fine
[05:42] <contrast83> holzmodem: i know this doesn't solve your problem, but just fyi, instead of using the power button, *slowly* type RSEIUB while holding holding Alt+SysRq
[05:42] <contrast83> holzmodem: that will ensure your filesystem doesn't get corrupted
[05:43] <contrast83> Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring
[05:43] <kousotu> how to you run checks on the file system?
[05:43] <unique> ok thanks
[05:44] <holzmodem> contrast83: thx for the hint
[05:44] <bullgard4> contrast83: exa = Trillion (10^18).
[05:44] <contrast83> np
[05:45] <contrast83> bullgard4: thx
[05:45] <bullgard4> contrast83: peta = 10^15
[05:45] <kousotu> contrast83: it would be able to hit NTFS, but I doubt it couldhit the ext3 because the firus is not coded as windows, but dos
[05:46] <contrast83> ok. i guess that makes sense.
[05:47] <kousotu> or some subline of dos anyway..
[05:47] <kousotu> do and such can't writeto ext3, windows, with the driver can though
[05:48] <bullgard4> I want to stay for a while with my 2.6.20-16-generic kernel yet but I'd like to test if the 2.6.22 kernel supports resume from suspend-to-disk better. I am not versed with kernel building. Is it safe to copy (from a Gutsy Tribe 4 CD) /cdrom0/pool/main/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb to /usr/src in order to install a 2.6.22 kernel on trial?
[05:49] <xtknight> bullgard4, you are copying libc but that is about it ?
[05:50] <xtknight> pretty sure gutsy has better suspend-to-disk though
[05:51] <bullgard4> xtknight: I do not understand your English "but that is about it" not very well. My intention is to copy a 2.6.22 kernel to my file hierarchy.
[05:51] <xtknight> bullgard4, ok, in other words "all you are copying is libc", but not the kernel?
[05:52] <xtknight> bullgard4,  you will want linux-image.  but you shouldn't need to copy libc
[05:52] <bullgard4> xtknight: Where is the kernel to be found on the Gutsy Tribe 4 CD?
[05:53] <xtknight> bullgard4, you can download gutsy kernels here http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[05:53] <xtknight> but i have no idea what will happen
[05:56] <contrast83> good chatting, everyone. gotta go. g'nite
[05:57] <bullgard4> xtknight: Gnome Search Tool does not find 'linux-image' on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD. Are you sure about the 'linux-image' identifier?
[05:58] <xtknight> bullgard4, should be correct
[05:58] <xtknight> bullgard4, the cd has the packages in a slightly different manner, not sure
[05:58] <xtknight> i know linux-image is the kernel, for certain
[06:01] <mike> I am a Vista 64bit Ultimate user, and I would like to transfer over to linux, but so far in 7.04 64bit and 32 dont mesh.
[06:02] <mike> What is the outlook for the next reelase?
[06:07] <Toma-> tbh, 64bit is a total waste of effort right now
[06:09] <nickrud> xtknight, bullgard4 it's linux-image-generic
[06:09] <mike> Is linux 64bit only for deveolopers?
[06:13] <bullgard4> nickrud: Gnome Search Tool does not find 'linux-image-generic' on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD. What directory contains the 'linux-image-generic' file?
[06:13] <nickrud> bullgard4, it may not be on the cd; it may only be available over the net. on the cd it'd be linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic
[06:14] <nickrud> bullgard4, you'd need linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic also; it's also a dependency of linux-image-generic
[06:17] <nickrud> bullgard4, to clarify a bit ;) the two ones with numbers are the current kernel release; if you have linux-image-generic installed, when a new numbered kernel comes out, you'll get it automatically; if you don't, your kernel won't upgrade automatically
[06:20] <bullgard4> nickrud: I cannot find files on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD-ROM which have the identifiers you mentioned. In what directory are they stored?
[06:21] <nickrud> bullgard4, a sec, I have to plug in my external to see those iso's
[06:26] <lastent> how can I upgrade to the beta release?
[06:26] <nickrud> bullgard4, pool/main/l/linux-meta
[06:29] <xtknight> !upgrade | lastent
[06:29] <ubotu> lastent: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:30] <bullgard4> nickrud: .../pool/manin/l/includes only the following 4 directories: linux-atm, linux-source-2.6.22, linux-wlan-ng, localechooser.
[06:31] <nickrud> bullgard4, hm, let me recommend my last gtk1.2 app: gnome-find - it simplifies the find command
[06:31] <unique> ok i went to the restricted drivers, then enabled the nvidia accelerated graphics driver when i restart all i get is a blue screen... i think the reslotuion is set to high any ideas how to fix this
[06:32] <nickrud> bullgard4, I don't have tribe4 and was assuming the layouts hadn't changed
[06:32] <lastent> xtknight, but who can i upgrade to a beta relase?
[06:32] <bullgard4> nickrud: Is your CD newer or older?
[06:32] <nickrud> bullgard4, older
[06:32] <xtknight> lastent, -d switch on update-manager for devel
[06:33] <xtknight> lastent, "gksu update-manager -d -c"
[06:33] <unique> '*resolution
[06:33] <hydrogen> unique: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg iirc
[06:34] <lastent> xtknight, I get this error warning: could not initiate dbus
[06:35] <xtknight> lastent, doesn't sound too good to me.  you may want to reboot.  maybe you got in recovery mode somehow?
[06:35] <bullgard4> nickrud: afk 7 min
[06:36] <unique> ok ty
[06:41] <Dvrmaster> okay... reffered from the -1 that i should come here for my xserver problem
[06:44] <kousotu> -1? now that's a new one by me
[06:44] <MYTHBUNTU> the regular ubuntu channel
[06:44] <MYTHBUNTU> since this is plus 2
[06:44] <MYTHBUNTU> 1*
[06:46] <kousotu> then it would be 0
[06:46] <kousotu> lol
[06:48] <keram> hey
[06:49] <bullgard4> nickrud: I have not installed gnome-find. I am using Gnome Search Tool. Why do you recommend me to use gnome-find in addition?
[06:49] <keram> i have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed but i want the xubuntu startup loader bar thing to show up and not the kubuntu loading bar to show
[06:50] <nickrud> bullgard4, it uses the find command as a backend; it's a lot more versatile
[06:50] <keram> how can i do that?
[06:50] <nickrud> !usplash | keram
[06:50] <ubotu> keram: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:50] <bullgard4> nickrud: So I will install it.
[06:50] <keram> nickrud, thanks
[06:51] <nickrud> bullgard4, it's old, old, old, but nothing replaces it yet
[06:54] <MYTHBUNTU> gdm wont restart
[06:54] <MYTHBUNTU> it just flashes blue and says it isnt configured right
[06:59] <bullgard4> nickrud: I have got a problem: "detlef@MD97600:~$ gnome-find; Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)  serial 14858 error_code 8 request_code 62 minor_code 0". What's that? I probably need to reboot.
[06:59] <nickrud> bullgard4, wow, that's really odd.
[07:00] <bullgard4> nickrud: So I'm going to reboot. This will take a few minutes.
[07:33] <bullgard4> nickrud: I rebooted. If I am looking for 'image' in /media/cdrom, gnome-find will find nothing. If I am looking for the same in /media/cdrom0, gnome-find will crash with the same error message as before. So it will take me some time to become acquainted with this tool. apropos gnome-find will find nothing!
[07:35] <nickrud> bullgard4, man find. It has the same options
[07:35] <nickrud> bullgard4, look for linux
[07:37] <bullgard4> 'apropos linux' does not mention gnome-find.
[07:38] <bullgard4> Gnome Search Tool will find 4 hits: broken-image.gif, gopher-image.gif, loading-image.gif, images.
[07:47] <bullgard4> This will find 'find /media/cdrom0 -iname '*image*' 2>/dev/null' also.
[07:50] <nickrud> bullgard4, I meant search for linux; you gotta have some kind of kernel there :)
[07:57] <bullgard4> nickrud: I've got 13 hits. The largest hit is linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb
[07:58] <nickrud> that's not it, it's some kernel headers for compiling
[08:00] <bullgard4> nickrud: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14393/ Which one is it?
[08:02] <nickrud> bullgard4, none of them. That makes absolutely no sense.
[08:03] <bullgard4> So another find strategy is needed.
[08:06] <nickrud> bullgard4, http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14395/ that's your search on mine
[08:15] <bullgard4> nickrud: That looks much more promising. But I checked my CD. It is all right.
[08:18] <mlpug>  what is the date/time in that "uname -a" outputs? start or completion of kernel compilation time or what?
[08:27] <bullgard4> mlpug: It is the time of the kernel compilation.
[08:30] <mlpug> bullgard4, okay. that makes sense. i have multiple kernels and do not know anymore which one is what. I guess its closer to the start of the compilation rather than completion of compilation. do you happen to know this detail?
[08:31] <bullgard4> mlpug: No.
[08:43] <SeveredCross> Compiz Fusion FTW.
[08:44] <SeveredCross> On ATI too.
[08:44] <SeveredCross> It just uses hella CPU, but that's expected.
[08:46] <databuddy> considering its ati :P
[08:46] <databuddy> what ati card?
[08:46] <SeveredCross> Mobility Radeon X1400.
[08:46] <SeveredCross> Which means fglrx, not the open-source radeon driver.
[08:47] <SeveredCross> If it was the open-source radeon driver, I don't think I would have as many issues.
[08:47] <SeveredCross> But Compiz Fusion works, as does Emerald. Video playback works, etc.
[08:48] <databuddy> kewl
[08:48] <databuddy> congrats then ^^
[08:48] <mlpug> i have x1300 and could not get it running
[08:49] <mlpug> i did not try too hard yet thou
[08:49] <mlpug> just put fglrx and appearance enable -> some error
[08:49] <SeveredCross> Yeah, you have to run Xgl and not X.
[08:49] <kousotu> anyone knowa good MUD client that can be used standalone?
[08:49] <SeveredCross> Here's to hoping that someday the opensource driver will work and we won't have to deal with this.
[08:52] <mlpug> SeveredCross, where are the instructions to do the xgl part?
[08:52] <SeveredCross> Install xserver-xgl
[08:53] <SeveredCross> Make a script in /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh
[08:53] <SeveredCross> And put what's in this pastebin in it:
[08:53] <SeveredCross> http://www.pastebin.ca/677671
[08:54] <SeveredCross> Then make a file in /usr/share/xsessions/xgl.desktop
[08:55] <SeveredCross> And put this in it:
[08:55] <SeveredCross> http://www.pastebin.ca/677672
[08:55] <SeveredCross> Make sure to chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh
[08:56] <SeveredCross> And make sure you have Composite turnd off in xorg.conf
[08:56] <SeveredCross> Add
[08:56] <SeveredCross> Section "Extensions"
[08:56] <SeveredCross> Option "Composite" "0"
[08:56] <SeveredCross> EndSection
[08:56] <SeveredCross> Restart X, choose the Xgl session and you should be greeted with Compiz
[08:57] <SeveredCross> It takes some screwing around to get the cube and everything working right.
[08:57] <SeveredCross> Expo should work, just pull your mouse into the top left corner.
[08:57] <SeveredCross> Top right corner should be the Mac OS show thing where all your windows fly into the screen and you see all of them everywhere.
[08:57] <SeveredCross> Err all of them at once.
[09:00] <kousotu> anyone knowa good MUD client that can be used standalone?
[09:29] <SeveredCross> Anyone had any issues with GStreamer being totally borked?
[09:30] <SeveredCross> Banshee and Rhythmbox won't play anything.
[09:31] <SeveredCross> Hmm, let's try AmaroK.
[09:36] <SeveredCross> AmaroK works, but KDE software is very broken...It all has to run as root or else it doesn't work.
[09:50] <Adlai_> I just installed amd64 gutsy and updated, and now X won't start
[09:50] <Adlai_> It gives me the following 'backtrace':
[09:52] <Adlai_> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[10:00] <Infecto> hi, is anybody here? :)
[10:16] <mewt> Hi I'm trying to use update manager to upgrade to gutsy..prob is, it's halting in one of the repos saying MD5 sum mismatch
[10:16] <mewt> anyone getting the same ?
[10:17] <mewt> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch
[10:18] <mewt> that's the old feisty repos either way :S
[10:44] <Infecto> hi
[10:44] <Infecto> i write bad script and remove half of my system  :)
[10:44] <Infecto> i dont have any deb manager and even mc :)
[10:45] <Infecto> can some one have ide how to repair it?
[10:45] <Infecto> i think i will mount and chroot it
[10:45] <Infecto> hmmm
[10:50] <mewt> bump ?
[10:54] <Ahadiel> Night guys
[11:22] <Infecto> kk
[11:22] <Infecto> can some one tell me how in aptitude mark all packages wchich one are installed?
[11:50] <Asad2005> Is there away to revert to old synaptic gui, i dont seems to find out why it doesnot find several apps while universe and multiverse are enabled
[11:51] <Amaranth> old synaptic GUI?
[11:51] <Amaranth> synaptic hasn't changed
[11:51] <Amaranth> you're probably using gnome-app-install
[11:51] <Amaranth> System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[11:55] <Asad2005> the GUI looks different in gusty yes
[11:57] <stefg> !info gcc gutsy
[11:57] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-8ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[11:59] <Asad2005> Amaranth, try searching hddtemp or computertemp in synaptic you will see no result but apt-cache finds it ok
[11:59] <Amaranth> Asad2005: it doesn't look different
[11:59] <Amaranth> Asad2005: and i can find those in synaptic just fine
[12:00] <Amaranth> Asad2005: like i said, it sounds like you're looking at gnome-app-install
[12:00] <Asad2005> Amaranth, Then why it doesnt find some apps while apt finds them well
[12:00] <Amaranth> Asad2005: You are not using synaptic.
[12:01] <Amaranth> Asad2005: Does the left side of the window you think is synaptic have a list of the categories in your Applications menu?
[12:01] <Asad2005> Amaranth, letme recheck
[12:02] <Asad2005> Amaranth, Yes you are right many thanks
[12:02] <stefg> Can someone enlighten me what service is responsible for getting gnomes session together? For educational purposes i've installed gutsy server to start with and add packages manually (no meta-packages). i've got gdm, metacity and gnome-settings-daemon, but metacity doesn't autostart when logging in (have to manually start from term to get window decorations). Where to look?
[12:05] <Amaranth> stefg: gnome-session
[12:06] <stefg> aarrghhh.... of course... would certainly help to install that :-)
[12:06] <stefg> but that's the point... learn what does what
[12:07] <Tomcat_> stefg: Install lfs then? :)
[12:08] <stefg> Tomcat_: did that some time ago... so the basics are clear to me, but i specifically want to examine gutsys gut
[12:08] <Tomcat_> Oh, alright. :)
[12:19] <Infecto> Can't locate Debconf/Db.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6.
[12:19] <Infecto> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6.
[12:19] <Infecto> can some one help me, or provide this file?
[12:26] <awen> is xserver-xgl necessary; or is it possible to turn off Xgl?
[01:13] <awen> when I try to open the monitor and display in system settings on gutsy it claims to be missing libpython2.5.so
[01:14] <awen> happened after upgrading today... anybody else having this problem? or how to debug or fix?
[01:17] <ftoo_on_gutsy> awen try to install the missing file
[01:18] <Amaranth> err, the missing file is a fundamental library of a fundamental part of ubuntu
[01:18] <Amaranth> i hope it's just a linker error :P
[01:18] <awen> i've just tried reinstalling the python2.5 package
[01:19] <awen> but no luck
[01:19] <Amaranth> are you talking about "Screens and Graphics"?
[01:20] <awen> it's in the monitor & display (i'm running kubuntu, forgot to say that before)
[01:21] <Amaranth> oh, no fscking clue :P
[01:23] <awen> the last dpkg-run: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35911/
[01:25] <Stormx2> FFS
[01:25] <Stormx2> font chooser is still not in my menu
[01:25] <Stormx2> and my fonts have just shrunk
[01:26] <awen> ftoo_on_gutsy: how to see which package the file is in?
[01:28] <ftoo_on_gutsy> You can use the command with the syntax 'dlocate <filename>' might help (i googled it)
[01:33] <ftoo_on_gutsy> dpkg -S dpkg -S libpython2.5.so but u might need to pipe the output to a file
[01:33] <ftoo_on_gutsy> dpkg -S libpython2.5.so .. even
[01:35] <ftoo_on_gutsy> awen: both answers i google....
[01:35] <awen> tried searching, but it seems i wasn't that lucky with google this time
[01:36] <awen> python2.5: /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1
[01:36] <awen> python2.5: /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0
[01:36] <ftoo_on_gutsy> no .so?
[01:36] <Infecto> apt is giving me Can't locate Binfmt/Lib.pm
[01:37] <awen> ftoo_on_gutsy: no
[01:37] <ftoo_on_gutsy> try cp /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so    ... thhis might work
[01:37] <awen> installing python2.5-dev gives me an .so
[01:38] <ftoo_on_gutsy> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0 are probs ya backup after you re-installed
[01:38] <ftoo_on_gutsy> no probs def are ...
[01:39] <awen> ftoo_on_gutsy: seems that installing python2.5-dev fixes it
[01:42] <ftoo_on_gutsy> awen glas to here it :)
[01:42] <ftoo_on_gutsy> glas=glad
[01:43] <awen> seems that python2.5-dev needs to be installed in order for the monitor & display to work... isn't that a dependency problem then, that should be filed as a bug?
[01:44] <ftoo_on_gutsy> awen file it and c m8
[01:47] <finalbeta> !paste
[01:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:07] <Infecto> its only my problem? or cdrecord package dont contain binary?
[02:09] <Infecto> yep :) its symlink sry
[02:57] <PiNE> hello!  i have been attempting to load gutsy on my notebook (thinkpad t61) .  i read over glitches and suggestions at thinkwiki but what happened to me hasn't been listed.  the live cd hangs at a blank screen after loading.  everything seems to load fine but instead of going to the desktop i get a black screen.
[02:57] <PiNE> has anyone else experienced this... any suggestions?
[02:58] <hylje> try using the alternate installer
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> try safe graphics?
[02:59] <PiNE> both great ideas (and i am ashamed to say that i didn't try the same graphics mode)
[03:00] <PiNE> most documentation seems to say that as of tribe 5 it should load without a hitch... no one has heard anything ot the contrary?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:01] <PiNE> i'm off to try it again... i'll be back either way but hopefully it will be with good news!
[03:02] <PiNE> bye.
[03:27] <mewt> hi, I just upgraded to gutsy and I have some queries, anybody can help ?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> go ahead
[03:29] <mewt> so, In feisty I had compiz fusion installed using trevinos repos,
[03:29] <mewt> however during upgrade i saw it removed emerald for me
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> mewt: and in gutsy its in the main repositories
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> reinstall it
[03:29] <mewt> so im without borders now..also i know that compiz fusion is installed by default
[03:29] <mewt> should i remove the native compiz fusion beforeinstalling trevinos ?
[03:30] <mewt> (if he has for gutsy :p)
[03:34] <bdgraue> i also have no windowdecoration in gutsy, and some other guys too
[03:35] <mewt> i tried enabling compiz (the one from visual preferences
[03:35] <mewt> but still no decorations
[03:35] <bdgraue> and there is no emerald-theme package in the repos
[03:35] <mewt> also no cube etc
[03:36] <mewt> i installed emerald
[03:36] <mewt> from the repos
[03:36] <mewt> and in my sources.list
[03:36] <mewt> there are only official gutsy repos as yet
[03:36] <mewt> so it is in repos
[03:36] <bdgraue> emerald, yes, but not emerald-themes
[03:37] <mewt> ye ur right, it only installed emerald and libemeraldgtk something
[03:38] <mewt> yey gimp updated to 2.3!! :p
[03:38] <mewt> bdgraue, so ur like me without window borders ?
[03:39] <bdgraue> ?
[03:39] <bdgraue> i have no wondow decorations too
[03:39] <bdgraue> window
[03:39] <mewt> mmm
[03:40] <mewt> 1 thing im happy about is that nvidia-glx-new now works for me, before i had to compile the drivers myself
[03:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you guys referring to Compiz?
[03:45] <mewt> ye
[03:50] <Infecto> hi can some one tell me how to remove all not nececeary packages, i mean x system kde, and all others, i need clean kernel and dpkg tools, aptutude, i need reinstall all packages
[03:51] <TheInfinity> remove kubuntu desktop and make autoclean after it
[03:51] <IntuitiveNipple> If you have the compizconfig-settings-manager installed, I found that enabling Window Decorations solved the issue I was seeing
[03:52] <TheInfinity> if you need a clean kernel without any config probs -> complete reinstall
[03:53] <mewt> IntuitiveNipple, i just did an apt-get remove compiz* to remove all the compiz stuff since i had trevinos stuff installed before upgrade and read that they dont upgrade cleanly
[03:55] <mewt> cripe, trackerd is some new beagle thing ?
[03:55] <dick-richardson> I'm not seeing strigi in my applications menu since tribe 5 was released...is there something I need to do?
[03:56] <IntuitiveNipple> mewt: Yeah, I had to do that several times to perfect the method and understand the issues between 'desktop effects', Amaranth's Compiz, and other repositories
[03:57] <mewt> mm getting problems installing, broken dependencies :d
[03:59] <mewt> IntuitiveNipple, which ones are you using ? official from repos ? or a third party ?
[03:59] <bdgraue> here ist what i get if i run fusion-icon and switch to compiz  and between kde-window.decorator and emerald
[03:59] <bdgraue> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14412/
[04:00] <mewt> bdgraue, what compiz are you using tho ?
[04:00] <bdgraue> official
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> For Gutsy, those installed by default only. It's too unstable to use for work, so I'm on feisty with Amaranth's launchpad repo version
[04:02] <mewt> an aside, since feisty i had 1 update that was always held back, it's usbmgr
[04:02] <mewt> it's still being held back in gutsy
[04:02] <mewt> any idea why ?
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> not sure about that, haven't noticed it
[04:04] <mewt> sweet, compiz fusion running it seems, still with old metacity decorations tho
[04:04] <mikl> Isn't there a guide to creating tracebacks somewhere?
[04:06] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: Using dbg you mean?
[04:07] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: eeh, I don't know - I just wanted to help fix a bug :)
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: show me the bug; I'll see if I know which technique you want :)
[04:09] <MenZa> Man, the new icons for the games are pretty. <3
[04:09] <mewt> MenZa, they are, really much more colourful and all
[04:09] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: There's not much to it - Thunderbird segfaults on opening e-mails :)
[04:09] <bur[n] er> tbird doesn't segfault here
[04:10] <mlpug> is help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto/ATI valid for gutsy or only feisty and older?
[04:10] <mikl> hmm, I wonder if...
[04:10] <mikl> ohwell, that was an easy fix...
[04:10] <MenZa> mewt: yeah :)
[04:11] <MenZa> mewt: Just re-installed my system. Had some alsa problems. Was greated with wonderful new icons for Gimp and the games.
[04:11] <mewt> anybody, what are you using to configure compiz at all ?
[04:11] <mewt> i upgraded from fesity
[04:11] <MenZa> I always do clean installs.
[04:11] <mewt> no probs till now, small clash with nvidia drivers, since i was on manual install, now on nvidia-glx-new
[04:11] <mewt> and now some probs with compiz/emerald
[04:12] <mewt> AND! i see now that i lost my wireless card
[04:12] <mewt> :)
[04:12] <MenZa> :D
[04:12] <MenZa> I have a bunch of issues with dhcp
[04:12] <mewt> which is strange since the card is a ralink chipset card
[04:12] <mewt> mmm i seem to not be getting automatic dhcp leases before i go into gdm
[04:13] <MenZa> mine's more severe
[04:13] <mewt> once in gui it leases automatically
[04:13] <MenZa> I don't get it automatically, I have to run dhclient eth0, and it loses it after a while
[04:13] <MenZa> >:/
[04:13] <MenZa> And then I can't reactivate it
[04:13] <MenZa> == reboot necessary
[04:13] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: make sure "gdb" is installed, then start thunderbird from gdb using "gdb thunderbird" - when thunderbird crashes give gdb the command "bt" to get a backtrace
[04:14] <mewt> i had a similar prob in feisty, If i leave the pc idle for some time, network manager used to cut me off
[04:14] <mewt> all i had to do was reselect wired and it would get a connection agian..strange
[04:16] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: ok, thank you
[04:16] <mewt> *cries for all the compiz settings were lost*
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: I've posted those instructions to the bug report too
[04:18] <IntuitiveNipple> mewt: That's not crying, it's the rain from the water effects :)
[04:19] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: Well, I found out that it was due to the fact that I had Enigmail installed without having GPG :)
[04:19] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: so you can mark that as invalid - I can't figure out how to do it :)
[04:20] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: Why not post that to the bug, so others that have the same issue know how it is solved?
[04:20] <mewt> IntuitiveNipple, ye lol, altho i can't seem to find the option were to put emerald as my wm and i seem to have a piece of toast floating instead of a cube since i only got 2 faces
[04:20] <IntuitiveNipple> (I remember having that happen to me a long time ago, too!)
[04:22] <IntuitiveNipple> mewt: Well, General Options  > Desktop Size > Horizontal Virtual size is the place to increase the number of 'desktops'
[04:22] <mewt> ye put that up to 4 but still got a toast
[04:22] <mewt> maybe a compiz restart ?
[04:24] <mewt> mm no effect and lost my decorations back to metacity ones
[04:24] <mewt> window decoration plugin doesnt seem to be working ..mmm
[04:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Sounds like a conflict I was having at one point... if I made a change it wasn't reflected immediately. Turned out to be a conflict of some kind
[04:27] <mewt> ic
[04:28] <Arwen> X.org seems to be running on tty8 instead of 7, is there a reason for that?
[04:29] <mewt> mine seems to be on 7
[04:29] <riot_l1> hi @all
[04:30] <riot_l1> does anyone here runs Gutsy with an Ati X... Card?
[04:31] <riot_l1> no one?
[04:32] <mewt> nvidia here..why don't u just ask your question, maybe someone has an answer for it jsut the same
[04:35] <riot_l1> i upgrade my system (Dell 9400 superb, with 2GB Ram, Ati X1400) to gutsy and now the desktop is very slow, scrolling in firefox looks like the waves in the oceans. what can i do?
[04:37] <riot_l1> and another problem is that when i want to want to change to terminal by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Fx i get a blank screen but no login
[04:37] <awen> riot_l1: sounds like the problem i had with XGL
[04:39] <riot_l1> i want no xgl or aiglx i just even want to use my desktop. i heard that compiz is part of gutsy, i looked at the settings and they sayd "No Effects", that means that it is disable but it doesnt look so
[04:39] <awen> riot_l1: i am using a ATI radeon 9600 mobile, with the open source driver... and when xgl started to get enabled by default, it went totally unusable regarding speed
[04:39] <mewt> anyone got awn running on gutsy ? if yes from were ?
[04:40] <awen> riot_l1: try removing /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00... (has something with xgl in it)
[04:40] <awen> or copy it to someplace else
[04:41] <riot_l1> i use fglrx-drivers, dont know what to do and where to search
[04:41] <awen> (that prevents xgl from getting started... don't know if it is the best solution, but it worked for me)
[04:43] <riot_l1> i will try it
[04:43] <awen> riot_l1: seems we are not the only ones https://launchpad.net/bugs/136598
[04:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136598 in xserver-xgl "xserver-xgl on gutsy doesn't work" [Undecided,New] 
[04:43] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: hmm, stange - it seems to have resurfaced...
[04:44] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: however gdb thunderbird does not wok
[04:44] <mikl> work
[04:44] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: in what way doesn't it work?
[04:45] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: "/usr/bin/thunderbird": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[04:45] <chrisjs169> I just installed Google Earth, but when I try to run it, Ubuntu restarts - any tips?
[04:47] <penguin42> chrisjs169: It works OK for me; my best guess would be 3D driver problems - does 3D stuff work ok for other programmes?
[04:47] <mewt> mm, dunno if it's a bug, but firefox crashed while changing themes for me and now the taskbar panel at the bottom is fudged, firefox still shows but the icons dont point to the correct application
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: strange
[04:47] <mikl> indeed
[04:47] <riot_le> so that works i think, not so fast like feisty but it works
[04:48] <riot_le> has anyone a idea why i cant use the tty-Terminal?
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: Is /usr/bin/thunderbird a script file that calls the real executable?
[04:48] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: I think it is that with all the Mozilla apps
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> riot_le: That sounds like a video-mode issue at boot. I'm seeing the same thing on some PCs with gutsy tribe-5 and Nvidia
[04:49] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: Hmmm, I don't have thunderbird installed to test
[04:49] <mewt> brb
[04:49] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: But I get the same result trying to run Firefox :)
[04:49] <riot_le> mmh i using ati, but what can be the matter? i had the same problem with edgy eft. dapper and feisty run it without any problems
[04:50] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: theres 189 lines of rather complicated shell script there :)
[04:50] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: yes, the /usr/bin/xxxxx is a symlink to /usr/lib/xxxx/xxxxx
[04:50] <awen> riot_le: is the problem, that nothing happens when pressing ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[04:51] <riot_le> no, when i press the combination for change to terminal i got a black blank screen without login
[04:52] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: then I just need to figure out what parameters I need to pass to _start_ thunderbird ;)
[04:54] <IntuitiveNipple> lol yeah, I'm running it with Firefox ( gdb /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin ) then "run" but without the script setup it isn't finding libraries. I think the best thing to do is insert "gdb" into the shell script where it starts the app :)
[04:54] <chrisjs169> penguin42: I don't think I have any other 3D stuff, but is it possible that it's restarting due to me using onboard gfx and 512MB ram?
[04:54] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: I'll try that
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: open the script file, and search for "exec_verbose"
[04:55] <riot_le> no one who have the same problem?
[04:55] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: hmm, thunderbird -g seems to do the trick
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: you'll see a line like " exec "$@""
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh cool :)
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> simpler
[04:55] <riot_le> ps aux |grep getty gives this:
[04:55] <riot_le> ps aux |grep getty
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4685  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty4     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4686  0.0  0.0   1692   512 tty5     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4688  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty2     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4689  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty3     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4690  0.0  0.0   1692   516 tty1     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[04:55] <riot_le> root      4693  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty6     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
[04:55] <riot_le> root      7568  0.0  0.0   2992   784 pts/0    R+   16:54   0:00 grep getty
[04:55] <penguin42> chrisjs169: I wouldn't have expected it to cause a restart
[04:56] <IntuitiveNipple> riot_le: Have you searched launchpad bugs for something similar?
[04:56] <riot_le> yes but doesn't found something simliar
[04:57] <chrisjs169> penguin42: I wouldn't either, but I tried twice to start GE (latest beta version) and it restarted
[04:57] <IntuitiveNipple> riot_le: You should create a new bug report then
[04:57] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: whan can I put in gdb before 'run' to keep it from interrupting with "Type <return> to continue..."...
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> chrisjs169: What video chipset is on that PC?
[04:58] <chrisjs169> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not sure - hold on
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: Just hit Enter a few times, they'll soon stop
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> G.E. 4.2 ?
[04:59] <chrisjs169> I believe so - I just downloaded the latest copy
[04:59] <chrisjs169> yes, 4.2
[05:00] <IntuitiveNipple> It sounds like a nasty video-driver issue; not much else in G.E. that can play nasty with the system
[05:00] <mikl> IntuitiveNipple: ok, put the traceback up there :)
[05:00] <IntuitiveNipple> chrisjs169: You should post to the Earth-Linux group: http://groups.google.com/group/earth-linux?hl=en
[05:01] <IntuitiveNipple> mikl: thanks :)
[05:01] <chrisjs169> IntuitiveNipple: ok - I'm planning on adding another 512MB ram and adding some video card that's laying around
[05:13] <mewt> hehehe, glxgears kills x
[05:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got the gears running inside the cube quite nicely... eats battery-life though :)
[05:16] <mewt> mm, there is an avant-window-navigator inthe repos
[05:16] <mewt> however it has no installation candidate it says
[05:16] <mewt> I wonder why..
[05:28] <Noah0504> So, what's the deal with all of the new folders created by default in the home directory?  Is that part of the new Gnome version, or did Ubuntu devs decide to go with that?
[05:35] <dick-richardson> I'm not seeing strigi in my applications menu since tribe 5 was released...is there something I need to do?
[05:56] <Asad2005> I have a DWL-G520+ D-LINK wireless which is working fine in feisty but in gusty ifconfig shows no wireless ? anyone got it working in gusty
[06:01] <Asad2005> lspci  shows "Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface [104c:9066] "
[06:14] <shirish> !girl
[06:14] <ubotu> Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | For more interesting reading, see http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/
[06:32] <Ind[y] > In wireless networking, I have Roaming Mode enabled, and it normally tries to connect to my home network first. But sometime I tried to connect to another netwrork, and since then, it always attempts to connect to that network first, automatically. How can I set back my network to be the default/first network to attempt to connect to?
[06:35] <lucasvo> anzone has problems with thunderbird here? Mine crashes after checking for new mail.
[06:37] <penguin42> lucasvo: I don't use thunderbird, but there was someone here about 4 hours ago with a similar problem
[06:42] <lucasvo> penguin42: ok, I'll read the logs
[06:50] <shirish> penguin42: can you confirm that https://www.facebook.com is not working?
[06:51] <penguin42> yeh seems broken
[06:51] <lucasvo> omg, facebook is down! waaa! help, what can I do? I'll be bored all night. ;)
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> corrr! people will have to try real life :p
[06:52] <lucasvo> oh, well it's only the https that's not working
[06:52] <lucasvo> http works
[06:53] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: the earlier problem is on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/136594
[06:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136594 in thunderbird "Thunderbird segfaults when reading mail" [Undecided,New] 
[06:53] <penguin42> sounds like it should be confirmed
[06:53] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: If you can do a gdb as well, that'll help us confirm it
[06:54] <lucasvo> IntuitiveNipple: hm, I haven't figured out how to run gdb
[06:54] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: not yet, there's still a possibility it is caused by 3rd art plugin
[06:54] <lucasvo> what arguments do I have to pass to it?
[06:54] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: I put the details in the bug
[06:54] <lucasvo> IntuitiveNipple: only plugin I have is enigmail
[06:54] <lucasvo> ok
[06:55] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: but it's easier to just do "thunderbird -g"
[06:55] <lucasvo> "/usr/bin/thunderbird": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[06:55] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: That's the one that is suspected, so if you can confirm, we're cooking on slightly hot gas :)
[06:55] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: do "thunderbird -g"
[06:56] <IntuitiveNipple> then hit Return a few times to get past the paged messages :)
[06:56] <shirish> lucasvo: thanx for telling me 'http' is up, its so much secure :P
[06:57] <lucasvo> shirish: well, it's secure enough to feed my addiction ;)... seriously, whatever info there's on facebook, using https won't do much to protect it from thefts
[06:57] <shirish> lucasvo: that's true ;)
[06:57] <mewt> what's the point of facebook anyway ?
[06:58] <mewt> all this social networking needs to be crashed and burned straight away
[06:58] <Dannilion> communicating with people you haven't seen since you were 6.
[06:58] <mewt> takes too much out of real life!
[06:58] <Dannilion> what's this real life you speak of?
[06:59] <mewt> going out to eat at a nice chinese restaurant with your girlfriend for instance
[06:59] <mewt> or nip down to the bar with your friends for a beer
[06:59] <mewt> !
[06:59] <mewt> get off the pc :p
[07:00] <mewt> im off for the chinese restaurant in a few minutes in fact :o facebook wont be replacing that :p
[07:00] <lucasvo> mewt: nothing in the world can replace good food
[07:00] <mewt> lucasvo, that is true
[07:01] <lucasvo> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not really into the whole bash, how can I dump the output the a file and have it show up on the console as well? I can only do either of it.
[07:01] <mewt> sudo cat /dev/life1 | grep fun   <-- it always turns out to be a symlink to off the computer (damn im feeling geeky :< )
[07:03] <lucasvo> IntuitiveNipple: hm, the bug disappeared
[07:03] <lucasvo> wtf?
[07:03] <lucasvo> ah and it crashed again
[07:03] <lucasvo> only ten secs later this time
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> lucasvo: You need to manually interact with gdb, to do the backtrace (bt). You only need to cut/paste the backtrace report, not the loading report.
[07:06] <lucasvo> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I posted it
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks :)
[07:10] <sits> hi there. I'm using an Intel 82801G soundcard with the snd-hda-intel driver on an Ubuntu Gutsy 2.6.22-10-generic kernel and I'm getting repeatable crackling. Does anyone have any ideas?
[07:11] <underwatercow> Is there any reason I can't install Feisty packages on Gutsy?
[07:11] <sits> underwatercow: dependencies?
[07:12] <penguin42> sits: I've not seen that myself; although there seem to be lots of issues - e.g. it losing it after hibernate; have you tried removing the snd_hda_intel module and re modprobing it?
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> sits: Is that immediately after boot, or after a suspend/resume?
[07:12] <sits> penguin42: good question
[07:12] <sits> penguin42: I haven't lost it on hibernate or suspend yet
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm working on the 'lost sound' issue, but it could be related since it seems the PCI config is being messed up
[07:13] <sits> penguin42: and yes I've modprobe -r'd it
[07:13] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: I am currently in a suspend/hibernate cycle but I believe it happens straight after boot too
[07:13] <IntuitiveNipple> sits: There's a related bug that had crackling, but that was related to bad DMA handling... is the sound 'ok' aside from the crackles?
[07:13] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: yup
[07:13] <sits> you can hear the sound of the music as intended it just clicks and pops
[07:14] <sits> not every track is equally bad either - some seem worse than others
[07:14] <underwatercow> sits: would the dependencies cause problems? or would I just need to install them manually?
[07:14] <sits> sound card is sharing interrupts with usb and wifi...
[07:15] <sits> underwatercow: typically debs specify dependencies which is why it is easier to use a depsolver with them
[07:15] <sits> underwatercow: generally you have to think VERY carefully before you go forcing dependencies as that is usually the path to ruin
[07:16] <underwatercow> is there an easy way to install wine on gutsy right now?
[07:16] <Pici> apt-get install wine
[07:16] <Pici> done.
[07:16] <IntuitiveNipple> sits: Which codec does the PC have?
[07:16] <underwatercow> only problem with that
[07:16] <underwatercow> I don't have internet access on my gustsy system now
[07:17] <underwatercow> gutsy*
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> sits: try "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#*"
[07:18] <sits> (just testing something)
[07:18] <sits> Analog Devices AD1981 (and a Conexant modem)
[07:19] <underwatercow> so the question is... how can I install wine without internet access?
[07:19] <underwatercow> ;-D
[07:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Pull the cork, and tip the bottle :)
[07:22] <sits> hmph. Looks like the issue is not the sound card. That's what I get for not triple checking
[07:26] <IntuitiveNipple> sits: Well thats good news! I could do with one less issue to solve :)
[07:26] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: heh
[07:27] <IntuitiveNipple> atm, I hear someone mention snd-hda-intel I run and hide :)
[07:30] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I remember there being a hibernation problem with intel sound at the start of feisty - is there a particular reason it happens commonly on this chipset?
[07:30] <penguin42> or maybe it wasn't hibernation; it was certainly it being dead and fixing it was removing and reinserting the modules
[07:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, I got involved when I got a new Vaio laptop and on resume it would loop and pop; turned out to be the DMA / PCO config issue I described earlier. Now, with gutsy, on resume there's no sound *and* the PCI config registers are messed up so it has been put into AC'97 mode, not HDA (this is with the Simatel codec - not sure about others as yet)
[07:33] <IntuitiveNipple> s/PCO/PCI/
[07:33] <IntuitiveNipple> my typos! s/Simatel/Sigmatel/
[07:39] <sits> ok anyone here using Gutsy's rhythmbox?
[07:48] <penguin42> sits: Yeh
[07:50] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Looks like this Tosh has a Realtek
[07:51] <IntuitiveNipple> the whole snd-hda-intel is a minefield, the problems are usually with the individual codec modules, not snd-had-intel, but it gets nailed because it is the umbrella
[07:52] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Physically how is it split? The chipset pumps sound data to a bus and the codec's actually do the analogue stuff?
[07:54] <IntuitiveNipple> the 'codec' module does most of the heavy lifting... the snd-hda-intel is more like a framework - it is the API the 'codecs' are written to
[07:56] <penguin42> nod
[08:01] <xtknight> what kind of virtualization improvements are in Gutsy?
[08:02] <xtknight> is there paravirt for 64bit yet?
[08:02] <sits> as in paravirt of 64bit systems?
[08:02] <xtknight> paravirt for a 64bit host
[08:03] <xtknight> guest rather.
[08:03] <xtknight> (amd64)
[08:03] <sits> I doubt it
[08:04] <xtknight> must not have made it in on time? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg194384.html
[08:05] <penguin42> sits: Ther seems to be a ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64
[08:05] <xtknight> it was a planned feature for gutsy if i recall, but i'm not sure
[08:05] <penguin42> ah you mean not-xen paravirt ?
[08:05] <xtknight> not sure what "planned" means either, if it was blueprinted or just speculated
[08:05] <xtknight> penguin42, paravirt for vmware for example.  32bit paravirt works but 64 does not
[08:06] <penguin42> what's paravirt for vmware?   I've done vmware and I've done paravirtualised xen setups
[08:06] <cheeseboy> is chroot broken in gusty ?
[08:06] <xtknight> penguin42, vmware 6 has paravirtualization for OSes that support it.  only linux 32-bit does on gutsy
[08:07] <penguin42> oh interesting, I hadn't realised vmware had jumped on that bandwagon as well
[08:08] <xtknight> anyone know the kernel option name for paravirt_ops ?
[08:08] <xtknight> CONFIG_PARAVIRT.  ya it's not in amd64
[08:13] <sits> cheeseboy: broken how?
[08:14] <cheeseboy> greg@cheeseboy:~$ sudo chroot /newarch
[08:14] <cheeseboy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[08:15] <sits> cheeseboy: that sounds like your chroot doesn't contain /bin/bash
[08:15] <cheeseboy> how would i fix that?
[08:16] <sits> well it depends on why you're chrooting. But generally you need a shell you can run (and the libraries that shell needs etc) already in the chroot I guess
[08:16] <cheeseboy> im chrooting to my pendrive
[08:17] <cheeseboy> i want to install archlinux to it
[08:17] <sits> cheeseboy: I don't think it works they way you think it does...
[08:18] <sits> cheeseboy: check google for chroot guides - those might give you a hint of what you would need to do/have first
[08:18] <cheeseboy> sits ive done this before cept installed gentoo
[08:18] <cheeseboy> ttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Arch_from_within_another_distro
[08:18] <cheeseboy> and im following that
[08:19] <sits> cheeseboy: in that case you need to tell chroot what program to run in the chroot
[08:19] <sits> cheeseboy: and if you look there's a whole load of stuff you need to have set up before you run chroot
[08:20] <cheeseboy> so chroot /newarch pacman -S kernel26
[08:20] <cheeseboy> sits ive followed that whole tut up to chroot /newarch
[08:20] <sits> cheeseboy: I'm guessing the chroot should have a bin/bash inside it already
[08:21] <cheeseboy> no
[08:21] <cheeseboy> theres no os installed yet
[08:21] <sits> note I don't use pacman
[08:21] <Adlai> I have a new install on amd64, and X won't start
[08:21] <sits> but there's a line saying
[08:21] <sits> Adlai: NVIDIA?
[08:21] <Adlai> it gives me a 'backtrace' that looks like this:
[08:21] <Adlai> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[08:22] <Adlai> sits: yes, nvidia
[08:22] <sits> Adlai: oh hum. Good luck with that...
[08:22] <xtknight> Adlai,  i had a backtrace with nvidia/amd64 a while ago.  but it fixed it self after the last few tribes
[08:22] <xtknight> last few updates i should say
[08:22] <Adlai> yeah, this is tribe 5 with most recent updates
[08:22] <sits> Adlai: but I have to admit I haven't seen that particular problem in the bug reports before...
[08:22] <xtknight> i feel your pain
[08:22] <xtknight> i had all updates too and it still happened at one point
[08:23] <xtknight> but somehow it cleared itself up
[08:23] <xtknight> i had ld.so inconsistences
[08:23] <xtknight> w/e that means
[08:23] <sits> Adlai: manual binary driver install?
[08:23] <xtknight> Adlai, type "sudo ldconfig" do you get a bunch of errors?
[08:23] <Adlai> sits, ...I installed nvidia-glx
[08:24] <Adlai> xtknight: three errors for libgcj
[08:24] <sits> Adlai: no old manual installs in the past?
[08:24] <Adlai> sits: nope, it's fresh
[08:24] <sits> Adlai: fair enough. Definitely new to me
[08:24] <xtknight> Adlai, actually i havent even tried the nvidia pkg that was in there.  maybe im not experiencing a problem since i'm using nvidia.com drivers.
[08:24] <Adlai> xtknight: libgcj.so.81.0.0, libgcj.so.81, libgcj_bc.so.1
[08:24] <xtknight> Adlai, here's what im using [   59.281317]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  100.14.11  Wed Jun 13 16:33:22 PDT 2007
[08:25] <xtknight> you could give those a try instead of restricted.  if that works i'd look at getting a bug report started for restricted and i'd help you with that
[08:25] <sits> Adlai: can you boot nv or vesa?
[08:25] <Adlai> erm, hang on
[08:25] <sits> (I'd imagine they would have the same problem)
[08:25] <Adlai> oh hang on
[08:25] <Adlai> it's using driver "nv"...what happened there
[08:26] <xtknight> i tracked my problem down to a specific version of xserver afiak
[08:26] <sits> cheeseboy: I was going to say
[08:26] <Adlai> xtknight: hmm, okay
[08:26] <sits> cheeseboy: one of the lines mentions pacman.static -S bash pacman filesystem -r /newarch
[08:26] <Warbo> Hi, after running some updates to Compiz I no longer get window borders (turning the window decoration on and off affects the shadows, but no titlebar shows up). Am I doing something wrong or should I submit a bug?
[08:26] <cheeseboy> sits i got that
[08:27] <sits> cheeseboy: I don't know what that does
[08:27] <cheeseboy> sits i thought that was the solution to the problem above my fault
[08:27] <cheeseboy> all good now
[08:27] <sits> cheeseboy: but it sounds like it should install a filesystem for you in the chroot
[08:27] <sits> cheeseboy: oh fair enough. What fixed it?
[08:27] <cheeseboy> pacman.static -S bash pacman filesystem -r /newarch
[08:28] <cheeseboy> all i needed
[08:28] <sits> cheeseboy: guess I was too slow coming up with the goods eh?
[08:28] <sits> :)
[08:28] <Adlai> it may have just fixed itself, I'll have to go look
[08:28] <cheeseboy> only 1 second behind
[08:28] <Adlai> xtknight: how do I fix those linking errors?
[08:29] <xtknight> Adlai, no idea
[08:29] <Adlai> crap
[08:29] <xtknight> i updated and they fixed themselves
[08:29] <sits> cheeseboy: As I said I haven't used pacman but I'll bear that in mind
[08:29] <xtknight> as creepy as that sounds
[08:29] <Adlai> I'm coming from gentoo, where you just "revdep-rebuild" and they go away
[08:29] <Adlai> well thanks, cheers
[08:29] <xtknight> Adlai, what happened?
[08:29] <sits> Adlai: it fixed itself?!
[08:30] <xtknight> Adlai, i really feel good someone else is having my problems though.  if it fixed itself that still means there's a bug somewhere.  i had other library problems with gutsy (and stll do) like firefox not staring because of corrupt .so problems.  something's wrong with ldconfig in gutsy i think
[08:30] <xtknight> most times i update firefox wont start
[08:31] <sits> xtknight: you would have to see if you can get it to say why
[08:31] <xtknight> Bus error
[08:31] <xtknight> tracked it down to two corrupted .so files
[08:31] <xtknight> Bug 133786
[08:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133786
[08:32] <sits> xtknight: that's worrying
[08:32] <xtknight> actually epiphany still says it doesn't support SSL
[08:32] <xtknight> dont know what's up with that
[08:33] <sits> xtknight: files should corrupt themselves. That sounds ominous
[08:33] <sits> xtknight: please make sure you have working backups
[08:33] <xtknight> yeah :\
[08:33] <sits> s/should/shouldn't
[08:33] <xtknight> i'm going to try latest tribe 5 and see if i can reproduce anything
[08:33] <xtknight> right now i'm tribe 3 + updates i believe
[08:34] <sits> xtknight: I'd double triple check stuff. That sort of thing sounds like pending hardware error
[08:34] <xtknight> i'm not sure.   i think it's just bugs because i've had plenty with gutsy
[08:35] <sits> (or serious fileystem corruption)
[08:35] <xtknight> do have backups of critical stuff tho
[08:35] <sits> good good
[08:35] <xtknight> this is 3 drive raid0
[08:35] <sits> raid isn't a backup unfortunately
[08:35] <xtknight> ya
[08:35] <xtknight> data has 1/3 chance of survival
[08:35] <xtknight> i'm wondering
[08:35] <sits> it's not raid0 is it?
[08:36] <xtknight> yea
[08:36] <sits> you mean raid1 don't you?
[08:36] <xtknight> nah raid0
[08:36] <xtknight> but that doesn't explain much.
[08:36] <sits> xtknight: OK I'm only going to tell you this once and then I'm going to try and forget this whole conversation
[08:36] <sits> xtknight: you have tripled your chances of FS corruptoin
[08:36] <jpmitchell> Howdy al.
[08:36] <jpmitchell> *all
[08:37] <xtknight> Adlai, do you have raid?
[08:37] <jpmitchell> Quick question about upgrade path if someone has a moment..
[08:37] <xtknight> sits, i do understand that.  this doesn't invalidate the bugs though
[08:37] <sits> xtknight: if any one disk in your RAID fails you stand to lose it all (this isn't wholely true but it's close enough). Effectively you have made your data MORE volatile
[08:37] <sits> xtknight: indeed
[08:37] <xtknight> i'm willing to pay that price for the performance
[08:38] <xtknight> i don't have too much critical stuff here
[08:38] <sits> xtknight: right now I can forget I said that : )
[08:38] <xtknight> HDs have been great for me so i'm playing my cards
[08:38] <xtknight> this may be a temporary install.  raid0 3 drive doesnt give much benefit over 2 drive so i may go back to 2
[08:39] <xtknight> but it has been working just fine so far.  there has been no corruption that i can tell and i use 20GB VM files
[08:39] <jpmitchell> xtknight: RAID0 with 3 drives can give youa big benefit, but you need to tune the stripe size..
[08:39] <xtknight> .so files corrupted are consistently reproducible thru every updates, they have nothing to do with my RAID and they are always the same files so i wouldn't jump to conclusions
[08:40] <xtknight> jpmitchell, ah yeah how do you adjust stripe?
[08:40] <xtknight> do you have to use mdadm manually?
[08:40] <xtknight> i didn't see an option in alternate but maybe i missed it
[08:40] <penguin42> xtknight: You're seeing corrupted .so's ? Based on what? md5 of them?
[08:40] <jpmitchell> xtknight: You need to set the chunk size when you setup the RAID..
[08:41] <xtknight> penguin42,  based on firefox getting Bus Eror with the specific set of .so files.  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133786
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New] 
[08:41] <sits> xtknight: the RAID business is just incidental to the corruption
[08:41] <xtknight> each update or every other update those two .so files corrupt themselves, but sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox always fixes it
[08:41] <jpmitchell> So, will I be able to upgrade from Tribe 5 of Gutsy to the final production version..
[08:41] <sits> jpmitchell: in theory
[08:42] <xtknight> jpmitchell, chunk size is settable in Alternate?
[08:42] <xtknight> probably big is better for more drives because of less latency.  but i do have a lot of big files here.
[08:42] <jpmitchell> sits: Hmm.. I _need_ to get to the .20.2 version of myth and gutsy appears to be the only place I can get it..
[08:42] <penguin42> xtnknight: Tha'ts pretty damn odd
[08:42] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Chunk size is always settable. I do not know what you mean by alternate though..
[08:43] <xtknight> jpmitchell, alternate cd?
[08:43] <xtknight> !alternate
[08:43] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[08:43] <xtknight> cant do RAID in graphical still, right?
[08:43] <xtknight> penguin42, well ya Adlai was having similar library .so problems that i was having.  just different corrupt ones than me.  although i think i had libgcj corrupt too as well.  both amd64/nvidia
[08:43] <penguin42> xtknight: Were those libgklayout.so's all copied out of usr/lib/firefox/components ?
[08:44] <xtknight> penguin42, yup
[08:44] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Ah, I see. You where two short in your reference. I do not know the installer well enought to know. Your OS should go on a mirror anyway, and then your data that needs throughput some place else..
[08:44] <xtknight> penguin42, all at one point
[08:44] <penguin42> xtknight: Weird.
[08:44] <xtknight> jpmitchell, considering OS is replaceable i would have put that on the raid0 actually
[08:44] <jpmitchell> Maybe someone knows where I can get .20.2 of mythtv for feisty?
[08:44] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Well different strokes for different folks. Just depends on your needs.
[08:45] <xtknight> right now i have / and /home on 3 drive RAID0s though
[08:45] <penguin42> xtknight: xtknight: Thre seem to be libgklayout.so's supplied with lots of the mozilla family that live in different directories (e.g. subird puts one in usr/lib/sunbird/components/libgklayout.so)
[08:45] <jpmitchell> xtknight, In general you want to seperate the OS jitter from the data I/O.
[08:45] <xtknight> penguin42, ah
[08:45] <gnomefreak> jpmitchell: feisty support is in #ubuntu
[08:46] <jpmitchell> xtknight, This is a bit off topic for this channel, maybe a private channel then?
[08:46] <penguin42> xtknight: Which makes me wonder whether what you are seeing is a set of layouts from a different mozilla component somehow got into the wrong place
[08:46] <jpmitchell> gnomefreak, I know..
[08:46] <xtknight> jpmitchell, off topic?  i dont think
[08:46] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Our data layout conversation I mean...
[08:46] <xtknight> penguin42, i can check my other .so in the Epiphany and Granparadiso dirs
[08:47] <xtknight> jpmitchell, well i'm still busy tweaking around with it.  i will try to isolate the paging and the root from the other most-accessed data
[08:47] <gnomefreak> xtknight: you might not like wha tyou find
[08:47] <gnomefreak> xtknight: there s abit of an issue with gp and plugins
[08:47] <xtknight> eh/
[08:47] <penguin42> xtknight: You haven't got a mozilla.org firefox installed have you as well as the ubuntu packaged ones?
[08:47] <xtknight> penguin42, nope
[08:47] <penguin42> hmm, what about plugins?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> xtknight: what is the problem?
[08:47] <xtknight> ./firefox-granparadiso
[08:47] <xtknight> Bus error (core dumped)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> xtknight: yes thats known
[08:48] <xtknight> it is?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> xtknight: wait for the fix its comming
[08:48] <xtknight> ah ok i didnt get any comments on Bug 133786
[08:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133786
[08:48] <gnomefreak> xtknight: yes very known
[08:48] <penguin42> anything with a command name that long deserves to segfault
[08:48] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Best thing to do is to run something like iozone on a single drive and find the fastest record size for I/O, and then make the chunk size a multiple of that.
[08:49] <gnomefreak> xkim working on it for PPA while we have 2 peopole wotking on it for gutsy
[08:49] <xtknight> gnomefreak, exact same problems with firefox and epiphany are knwon too?
[08:49] <xtknight> known *
[08:49] <gnomefreak> xtknight: no unless you can grab a backtrace for firefox and epeiphany (willing to be libcario crash is back)
[08:49] <xtknight> hmm
[08:50] <gnomefreak> FF3 has a few different reasons to crash but if i had to guess you remove gp and your crashes will stop
[08:50] <xtknight> i installed firefox-dbg and did "gdb /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin" and "run" but didnt get anything worth looking at
[08:50] <xtknight> jpmitchell, thx for the tips.  pretty happy with the performance now actually though :)
[08:51] <xtknight> prolly set chunk size to something giant for my virtual machines drives
[08:51] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Okay.. Then maybe you can send that third drive to me? :-)
[08:51] <xtknight> jpmitchell,  sure, if it fails.  ;P
[08:51] <gnomefreak> xtknight: run the commands here see what it gives you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/
[08:51] <penguin42> xtknight: You could always get a 4th drive and make RAID10 - that's nice on both speed and safety
[08:51] <xtknight> cool
[08:51] <xtknight> well 500gb sata for $110, who can pass that up?
[08:52] <xtknight> gnomefreak, i'll look into it.  maybe.  it's probably the exact same problem so now i wont bother but if it has been fixed for gp i'll make sure epiphany/firefox dont have the issue
[08:52] <gnomefreak> xtknight: im gonna be in and out until monday see if removing gp and making a clean profile for ff and epip fixes things. if not leave me a message in #ubuntu-mozillateam as i will see it when i get back
[08:52] <xtknight> gnomefreak, thanks
[08:52] <jpmitchell> xtknight, Doh..
[08:52] <gnomefreak> i think i know what it is though :)
[08:55] <derblubber> gudsy doesnt return from s3 suspend on my laptop. any hints on how to debug this?
[08:56] <xtknight> sure have heard a lot of suspend problems
[08:56] <xtknight> gutsy uses a new suspend system i think.  derblubber did it work on feisty?
[08:56] <derblubber> didnt hear about that
[08:56] <xtknight> don't quote me on it
[08:56] <xtknight> i thought they did away with uswsusp
[08:56] <derblubber> yes worked on feisty. wanted to track the problem but it dont know how to start
[08:56] <xtknight> dmesg ?
[08:57] <xtknight> or old dmesg in /var/log/klog.X
[08:57] <xtknight> kern.log.X
[08:57] <derblubber> didnt find any errors in logs, but ill look again specially at kern.log okay
[09:00] <xtknight> kern.log.1 probably
[09:00] <xtknight> the number increases as you go back
[09:00] <xtknight> last reboot was .1, next was .2 etc
[09:01] <xtknight> appears the higher ones are in gz files, just open them with file-roller (Archive manager)
[09:01] <derblubber> ill do that from console, but thanks
[09:03] <penguin42> hmm that's a point
[09:04] <penguin42> When I resume from hibernate I get a 'failed to hibernate' message; but it looks like it has come back OK - is this known? (It also takes me to a web page that says it only has support for Fedora and something else)
[09:04] <IntuitiveNipple> derblubber: When you say it doesn't resume... do you literally mean it suspends but won't wake, or does it wake but not fully restore the working environment?
[09:05] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: Does that happen for all hibernations, or just short (in time) ones?
[09:05] <derblubber> it goes in suspend very fast. but when i wake it up screen stays black
[09:05] <derblubber> just checking logs
[09:05] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I've had it on about 2 out of 3 gutsy hibernations; all at least overnight
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> derblubber: okay, thats more encouraging :) there are several new issues with video not being re-activated, usually it is the backlight on LCD panels not turned back on.
[09:06] <derblubber> exactly it looks like that
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: okay, just checking, because that messages is based on a comparison of hibernate/resume times
[09:06] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: It's a Toshiba Equium A100; other than the intel sound problem the only issue I know with it is that it has a slow battery drain while hibernated (which lots of people have reported)
[09:07] <sits> derblubber: suspend issues eh?
[09:07] <derblubber> right
[09:07] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: It's possible it came back with a flat battery - might that be relevant?
[09:07] <sits> derblubber: caps lock still works but screen remains black?
[09:07] <sits> derblubber: or does caps lock freeze up too?
[09:07] <derblubber> ill try and looks give me 2 minutes
[09:08] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: There is a message on virtual console 1: kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot...    - yet all the apps are there that were there before the hibernate
[09:08] <sits> derblubber: if it's the former welcome to the club. I'm going to try and guess that you're not using an Intel graphics card... so the odds say NVIDIA or ATI...
[09:08] <IntuitiveNipple> derblubber: There's quite a few bug reports in launchpad, and workarounds, that might help you related to that general issue. It might be worth doing some searching (Google with "site:https://bugs.launchpad.net" as part of your search term is the best way)
[09:09] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: That is very weird lol
[09:09] <IntuitiveNipple> So it's doing a telepathic resume then hehehehe
[09:09] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I guess other people might have that message - I only noticed it because I did a ctrl-alt-F1
[09:10] <sits> derblubber: IntuitiveNipple is right. Suspend issues are not uncommon
[09:10] <sits> penguin42: that makes sense
[09:10] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: Come to think of it, I may have seen that during some testing a week or two back... I'll check next week on my next round of kernel testing
[09:10] <sits> if that's AFTER a resume then that's the console framebuffer from when you first booted right?
[09:11] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I did try one of the scripts at the website that it takes you to for debugging broken resume and it did say that my X server was configured wrongly because it has the driver set at i810
[09:11] <IntuitiveNipple> It could be... I always log into the VTs though so they're clear or rather, full of 'crap' :)
[09:11] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: But that website is very .rpm based
[09:11] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: /dev/vcs* are nice
[09:11] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: If the rest of your system is working fine...!
[09:11] <penguin42> hehe yes
[09:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm pleased that Gutsy manages to successfully resume this laptop, which Feisty hasn't done. The only issue I've found so far is snd-hda-intel resuming in AC'97 mode, which is a biggy though
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm.. time I had a shower, else even the doggie isn't going to want to know me :p
[09:13] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: does pulling up the module and putting it back after the sound is broken help?
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> good luck with your sacrificial offerings, errr, alpha-testing :)
[09:14] <IntuitiveNipple> sits... unfortunately, not, grrrr
[09:14] <IntuitiveNipple> oh, hang on... I didn't do that test... I thought you meant a modprobe -r && modprobe after the fault :)
[09:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been more focused on finding and fixing the bug in the modules
[09:15] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: I think that's exactly what I meant : )
[09:15] <penguin42> anyone manged to get the media keys to work on recent Tosh laptops? They don't seem to generate key codes and they don't seem to have anything in ACPI for them
[09:15] <sits> IntuitiveNipple: that's a pity that it can't reset the hardware when that happens
[09:16] <Carroarmato0> Hey! Tracker does an excelent job at finding my porn! I'll never be lonely anymore ;)
[09:23] <arooni__> hey everyone;  did anyone install the latest updates and find that gnome got messed up?  (volume controls on my laptop don't work, gnome themes are a bit missed up)
[09:23] <xtknight> arooni__,  seems fine to me.  just different logout button
[09:23] <xtknight> i did get a 404 error on d/ling gnome-themes update but it went eventually
[09:23] <arooni__> xtknight, yah mine is mussed up
[09:23] <xtknight> er gnome-icons
[09:24] <penguin42> hmm I haven't rebooted since the update; but it seems OK
[09:24] <xtknight> arooni__, does your sound work?
[09:24] <xtknight> ( i have rebooted)
[09:24] <arooni__> xtknight, my sound does work yes
[09:24] <xtknight> arooni__, does the volume control in the upper right work?
[09:24] <xtknight> ya i liked the old icon better ;P
[09:24] <penguin42> I guess it maybe more obvious than the previous one
[09:24] <arooni__> xtknight, yes
[09:25] <xtknight> arooni__, what does "asoundconf list" report, and what is the primary audio controller?
[09:25] <arooni__> xtknight, Intel
[09:26] <xtknight> arooni__, that's your only adapter right?
[09:26] <arooni__> xtknight, yes i belive so
[09:26] <xtknight> what happens when you press the keyboard volume up?  absolutely nothing?
[09:26] <sits> thank goodness. The crackling in rhythmbox is a known issue
[09:26] <xtknight> arooni__, Intel is the only one reported in asoundconf list, that is?
[09:26] <arooni__> xtknight, right
[09:27] <arooni__> xtknight, pushing volume up/down does onthing
[09:27] <xtknight> arooni__, is it mapped in gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:27] <arooni__> xtknight, it was before; where do i check that mapping?
[09:27] <xtknight> gnome-keybinding-properties from console
[09:27] <penguin42> xtnight: The nice thing about intel sound cards is that they are common enough so that if it is broken enough people will be affected that it is likely to get fixed reasonably quickly!
[09:27] <SeveredCross> Woot, fixed Gstreamer.
[09:28] <xtknight> penguin42, indeed
[09:28] <arooni__> Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[09:28] <arooni__> Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager.
[09:28] <xtknight> deeper problems, i suppose
[09:28] <xtknight> :|
[09:28] <arooni__> yaps :(
[09:28] <xtknight> try reboot?
[09:29] <arooni__> ok dokes
[09:29] <xero9364> Gnome stopped working entirely after I installed Gutsy.
[09:29] <SeveredCross> Can't log in?
[09:29] <xero9364> I'm on an NVidia Geforce4 MX4000 128MB and have had the card working for 2 months
[09:30] <xero9364> I can log in, but GNOME does not start at all.
[09:30] <xero9364> Only the Ubuntu colors and no error message shows up
[09:30] <sits> xero9364: what does your Xorg.0.log say?
[09:30] <xero9364> Xorg starts fine....
[09:30] <sits> oh GNOME fails?
[09:30] <xero9364> GDM starts fine.
[09:30] <IntuitiveNipple> xero9364: That sounds familiar - just I can't remember what issue it was now!
[09:30] <xero9364> I have to use failsafe terminal to log in
[09:31] <sits> hmm broken resolver?
[09:31] <sits> is your /etc/resolv.conf set correctly ?
[09:31] <xero9364> I can't really check at risk of a black window bug...
[09:32] <xero9364> brb
[09:32] <sits> xero9364: check on your...
[09:32] <sits> oh well
[09:32] <hydrogen> Why do I no longer have a session dbus in gutsy?
[09:33] <hydrogen> it appears dbus-launch disappeared?
[09:33] <Infecto> hmm
[09:33] <xero9364> Yes.
[09:33] <Infecto> where can i enable bitmap font config?
[09:33] <Infecto> dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig
[09:33] <Infecto> i try this but its dont work
[09:33] <xero9364> dbus-launch is gone and my resolv.conf says "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
[09:33] <xero9364> That's all it says.
[09:33] <hydrogen> so uhh
[09:33] <hydrogen> what replaces dbus-launch?
[09:34] <sits> xero9364: that sounds broadly right. And you have a working network connection?
[09:34] <xero9364> Well, GNOME can't see it.
[09:34] <xero9364> I use it.
[09:34] <xero9364> I do, indeed have a working network connection.
[09:34] <sits> xero9364: ok lets scratch that idea (the only different between your resolv and mine is I have a search localdomain but that's it)
[09:35] <xero9364> KDE won't log in either
[09:35] <penguin42> hmm the world seems to have gained an /etc/resolvconf directory
[09:35] <sits> xero9364: what's in your ~/.xession-errors ...
[09:35] <Infecto> it dont ask me about enabling bitmap fonts
[09:35] <sits> xero9364: KDE isn't set to use compiz or anything like that is it?
[09:35] <hylje> sits: xsession
[09:36] <xero9364> I can't get a very good way of doing this, since I can't copy.
[09:36] <sits> hylje: thank you
[09:36] <xero9364> It says it refuses to initialize GTK+
[09:36] <hydrogen> ah
[09:36] <sits> xero9364: because of setuid issues?
[09:36] <xero9364> Something about setuid/setgid
[09:36] <xero9364> Yes.
[09:36] <sits> anything after that?
[09:37] <sits> (just mention highlights)
[09:37] <xero9364> Nothing important.
[09:37] <sits> (don't try and copy and paste)
[09:37] <xero9364> Just normal running messages.
[09:37] <sits> xero9364: any mention of esd or anything else?
[09:37] <xero9364> No.
[09:37] <xero9364> It mentions some pids
[09:37] <xero9364> 15025 and 15029
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: hmm ok. And KDE doesn't start too. Hmm.
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: what happens when you tried to start KDE?
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: an error message?
[09:38] <xero9364> I can't check.
[09:38] <xero9364> ?No error message at all.
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: hmm
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: and GNOME is the same?
[09:38] <xero9364> Yep
[09:38] <sits> xero9364: no error message?
[09:38] <xero9364> No errmsg.
[09:39] <sits> xero9364: dmesg | tail
[09:39] <sits> xero9364: anything serious mentioned?
[09:39] <xero9364> No.
[09:39] <sits> xero9364: mount
[09:39] <sits> xero9364: your home partition is mounted rw ?
[09:39] <xero9364> Yes.
[09:39] <sits> xero9364: (or / if you have no /home)
[09:39] <xero9364> I use a 2 partition scheme (/ and swap)
[09:40] <xero9364> errors=remount-ro
[09:40] <xero9364> I don't know of any problems with my fs recently.
[09:40] <sits> xero9364: cat /proc/mount
[09:40] <xero9364> no such file or dir
[09:40] <sits> xero9364: you have space left on your partition?
[09:41] <sits> xero9364: cat /proc/mounts
[09:41] <sits> xero9364: df -h will tell you about space
[09:41] <xero9364> 51 GBytes available
[09:42] <sits> xero9364: home directory is writeable by you?
[09:42] <xero9364> Yes.
[09:42] <penguin42> try creating a new user and see if that user can login?
[09:42] <sits> penguin42: good idea
[09:42] <xero9364> Okay.
[09:42] <sits> xero9364: useradd -m and passwd are useful at this stage
[09:43] <xero9364> I did.
[09:43] <xero9364> Okay. I'm going to leave for a minute.
[09:43] <xero9364> Restarting X
[09:43] <Infecto> some one can tell me where the hell is this package?
[09:43] <Infecto> xfonts-console
[09:44] <sits> Infecto: sounds old
[09:44] <penguin42> it's not in apt-cache search
[09:44] <sits> Infecto: perhaps it comes from something other than Ubuntu
[09:44] <Infecto> sits: ok, it even can be old :) but ho can i enable bitmaps in konsoele?
[09:45] <unique__> i have a quick question where is the Screen & Graphics control panel ? in gutsy
[09:45] <xero> New user can't use GNOME, but can use Failsafe GNOME
[09:46] <xtknight> unique__, system->administration
[09:46] <xtknight> aka displayconfig-gtk
[09:46] <unique__> ...
[09:46] <sits> xero: any upgrade issues?
[09:46] <xero> sits: No. Only a small one with openoffice.org, which I fixed.
[09:47] <sits> xero: any manual installs?
[09:47] <xero> Nope.
[09:47] <sits> xero: you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[09:47] <unique__> it cant be ran off the kde environment?
[09:47] <xero> sits: Yes.
[09:47] <sits> xero: dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop | grep ii
[09:48] <lucasvo> how can I change the default encoding in the gnometerm?
[09:48] <sits> xero: /etc/hosts file is correct?
[09:49] <sits> lucasvo: I think it tries to match that of your shell
[09:49] <xero> sits: Yes
[09:50] <sits> xero: you have 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.2 in there?
[09:50] <xero> not 0.0.2
[09:50] <xero> 127.0.1.1
[09:50] <sits> hang on
[09:50] <xero> and 127.0/0/1
[09:50] <sits> 127.0.0.1
[09:50] <xero> doh.
[09:50] <lucasvo> sits: ok, so I have to change my locale of the shell?
[09:50] <xero> 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1
[09:51] <sits> lucasvo: well before you go that far (and I think you'd have to change your sytems default locale) why are you trying to change it?
[09:52] <sits> xero: sounds good
[09:52] <sits> xero: and the machine name returned by hostname is in your /etc/hosts file?
[09:52] <xero> yes.
[09:53] <xero> ubuntu
[09:53] <sits> xero: you did a fresh boot and this happened?
[09:53] <xero> yes
[09:53] <xero> Fresh boot into Gutsy upgraded from Feisty
[09:54] <sits> xero: according to top no process is busy when the hanging happens?
[09:54] <xero> Nope.
[09:54] <xero> They're all dead.
[09:54] <sits> xero: which graphics driver?
[09:54] <xero> No nautilus, gnome-panel, vino, anything shows up in top
[09:54] <xero> NVidia proprietary.
[09:54] <xero> 9639
[09:54] <sits> xero: hmm
[09:54] <sits> xero: what happens if you switch to nv?
[09:55] <xero> I think last time I tried nv the X server wouldn't start.
[09:55] <sits> (I'm just curious. It should hang again)
[09:55] <sits> xero: ok switch to vesa?
[09:55] <sits> (if you're worried about nv)
[09:55] <xero> Ok.
[09:55] <sits> xero: (I'm assuming you are capable of using)
[09:56] <xero> Restarting X
[09:56] <sits> xero: (a console to edit xorg.conf)
[09:57] <lucasvo> -quit
[09:57] <lucasvo> sry
[09:57] <xero> Same thing.
[09:57] <xero> Crashy Crash McCrash to the max with no evidence
[09:58] <sits> xero: and top doesn't show any process just hanging about
[09:58] <sits> ?
[09:58] <xero> Nope.
[09:58] <sits> if you look at pstree what was the last thing launched?
[09:58] <xero> This user can log into Failsafe but the other can't.
[09:58] <sits> from gdm
[09:58] <xero> yes
[09:59] <sits> xero: does pstree say anything was launched from gdm?
[09:59] <xero> It all shows up there.
[09:59] <xero> Brb again
[09:59] <xero> Trying something
[09:59] <sits> (wait!)
[09:59] <sits> sigh
[10:00] <xero> When I try to log into GNOME on the other account the last thing launched was ssh-agent
[10:01] <arooni__> folks
[10:01] <arooni__> i can't play .mpg files
[10:01] <Adlai> On my homebuild system, I have a strange problem, that seems to be as if the power button keeps getting pressed repeatedly (about as fast as it could theoretically be triggered)
[10:01] <arooni__> whats up with that...?  totem dies
[10:01] <xero> totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[10:01] <Adlai> gnome won't stop asking me to shut down, and a popup notification tells me something about a "policy timeout"
[10:01] <sits> arooni__: try turning off desktop effects...
[10:02] <arooni__> ahhh
[10:02] <Adlai> after a while, X becomes completely unresponsive (and I can't launch applications other than preferences apps anyway)
[10:02] <arooni__> i like desktop effects :(
[10:02] <sits> arooni__: this is to check
[10:02] <Adlai> does anyone know what this might be?
[10:02] <sits> arooni__: totem still crashes?
[10:03] <crimsun> Adlai: acpi problems, more than likely.
[10:03] <sits> xero: hmm
[10:03] <xero> Are we getting close to knowing what the problem is now?
[10:03] <sits> xero: I just can shake this feeling that either a needed service isn't running or it's a network issue
[10:03] <xero> Not because I'm impatient. Just thought I might ask.
[10:04] <xero> Okay.
[10:04] <xero> Here's my 127.0.1.1 line:
[10:04] <sits> xero: I can't tell. I think that this could be something that has me guessing for a very long time. If you need to try something else please do so because right now unless I could see an strace of the last thing launched then I'm not going to come up with any bright ideas
[10:04] <xero> 127.0.1.1 localhost ubuntu
[10:04] <sits> s/can/can't
[10:05] <penguin42> and 127.0.1.1       davros
[10:05] <xero> i have 127.0.0.1
[10:05] <sits> penguin42: same here, fresh install
[10:05] <xero> So I should change that?
[10:05] <sits> xero: it shouldn't hurt
[10:05] <xero> Okay.
[10:06] <xero> Changed it to ubuntu (since I guessed davros is your computer name)
[10:06] <sits> but it seems far fetched since both should go across the loopback
[10:06] <sits> there's though..
[10:06] <xero> Nothing happened from that idea.
[10:06] <sits> s/though/thought
[10:06] <sits> xero: ifconfig lo
[10:07] <sits> does that print anything?
[10:07] <xtknight> arooni__, uhh Bug 122979 maybe?
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122979 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[aiglx] [intel] [r300]  Video playback is buggy under Compiz" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122979
[10:07] <xero> Yeah
[10:07] <xero> Nothing out of the ordinary, but it prints stuff.
[10:07] <sits> drat
[10:07] <xero> RX packets: 537 errors: 0 dropped 0
[10:07] <xero> same with TX packets
[10:07] <xero> same amt
[10:08] <sits> anything at the end of your Xorg.0.log ?
[10:09] <sits> xero: and what's the output of ps auxw | grep dbus
[10:10] <xero> dbus-daemon, x session manager, repeat those a few times
[10:10] <xero> Still cant cut/copy/paste. Sorry.
[10:11] <sits> xero: that's ok
[10:11] <xero> Ah crap. To make my day worse, now my knee hurts like heck
[10:11] <sits> how many dbus daemons?
[10:11] <xero> 3 of them
[10:11] <sits> ok try and reboot
[10:11] <xero> Ok..
[10:12] <xero> I'm going to recompile my nvidia driver to make sure that isn't it.
[10:12] <sits> xero: it can't be
[10:13] <sits> xero: but I didn't know you were using a manual install...
[10:13] <xero> I was using an NVidia binary blob
[10:13] <sits> xero: there's the packaged version too
[10:13] <sits> xero: it's not always obvious who is using what
[10:14] <xero> OH BOY here we go
[10:14] <sits> xero: the other user you made earlier... was that a completely just made user?
[10:14] <xero> file '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link
[10:14] <xero> sits: Yes.
[10:14] <sits> xero: hmm OK looks like I was completely wide of the mark then
[10:15] <sits> xero: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[10:15] <xero> Hmm for once I was partially right about something.
[10:15] <sits> xero: if it turns out to be due to broken NVIDIA drivers
[10:15] <xero> I'm recompiling it right now. It won't be broken after that.
[10:16] <sits> xero: I really wish I could have seen your Xorg.0.log now
[10:17] <sits> but it seems strange that the vesa and nv Xs would start
[10:17] <sits> and then go on to hang
[10:18] <sits> normally broken GL libraries don't manifest themselves until you try and run something 3D related
[10:18] <penguin42> sits: Unless you have compiz on?
[10:18] <sits> and if you are using the vesa or nv driver all 3D should have been disabled
[10:18] <sits> penguin42: xero said an attempt to run KDE also failed
[10:18] <sits> I guess KDE could have had its WM set to compiz but I wasn't counting on that
[10:19] <sits> if it was just GNOME I could understand
[10:19] <sits> penguin42: you live and learn
[10:19] <penguin42> are these drivers really 3D only - I know some of the ATI stuff also takes over the 2D stuff
[10:19] <xero> I don't start WMs until after the normal sessions
[10:20] <sits> penguin42: different drivers can accelerate different things but generally you don't need to overwrite existing libraries to do so in things that aren't 3D
[10:20] <xero> Metacity/KWin excluded from that of course.
[10:20] <xero> Beryl is set up to start after Metacity.
[10:20] <sits> xero: what about on the KDE side?
[10:20] <xero> I installed KDE to check if it worked.
[10:20] <xero> I have no configuration for it.
[10:21] <sits> OK so that should have just default to KWin
[10:21] <sits> (assuming that hadn't been disabled by another configuration)
[10:21] <xero> It's either Metacity or KWin because Beryl is set up to start in GNOME after the normal session
[10:22] <sits> xero: how did you set the beryl side of things up?
[10:23] <xero> I got it from Trevino's Edgy repo.
[10:25] <sits> 3rd party repos and a manual install. That not a simple combination...
[10:25] <xero> NVidia driver wasn't exactly manual. It was from a binary.
[10:26] <xero> It still wasn't from Canonical, though.
[10:26] <sits> xero: sure it's but it wasn't from Ubuntu
[10:26] <sits> s/it's//
[10:26] <sits> xero: did you use the .pkg ?
[10:26] <xero> Yes.
[10:27] <sits> OK it would have existed outside of the package manager
[10:29] <sits> xero: how long to go until you fix your problem then?
[10:29] <Adlai> crimsun: you know how I can get more information?
[10:29] <xero> sits: No idea.
[10:29] <Adlai> or, better, how to fix?
[10:29] <sits> xero: it's still compiling?
[10:29] <Adlai> also, I checked /var/log/messages
[10:29] <xero> No, it's compiled.
[10:29] <xero> It didn't work.,
[10:30] <sits> xero: dang...
[10:30] <Adlai> got the following:
[10:30] <Adlai> Sep  1 16:24:23 skynet gnome-power-manager: (leif) GNOME interactive logout because the power button has been pressed
[10:30] <Adlai> Sep  1 16:24:27 skynet last message repeated 335 times
[10:30] <sits> xero: I was hoping that was going to be it as I wouldn't have guessed that
[10:30] <Adlai> lots of that, sometimes it said it repeated up to 3500 times
[10:30] <sits> Adlai: you can probably temporarily killall gnome-power-manager
[10:31] <Adlai> doesn't seem to help
[10:31] <sits> Adlai: good grief
[10:31] <sits> Adlai: that should have provided some relief
[10:31] <Adlai> well, it stops pinging me with shutdown messages
[10:31] <sits> Adlai: but when it's started again back to square one?
[10:31] <Adlai> hmm?
[10:31] <Adlai> oh, yeah
[10:31] <xero> OH holy crap. It's gonna say the power button was pressed and shut you down in a minute, i think.
[10:32] <xero> Without gnome power manager, i think there's the acpi module/kernel part that won't ask to shutdown. It just does it.
[10:32] <sits> xero: nah you can survive without gpm
[10:32] <Adlai> well it doesn't shut right down
[10:32] <sits> (or rather g-p-m because gpm is a different program entirely)
[10:32] <Adlai> if I kill g-p-m and then actually hit the power button, it shuts off
[10:33] <xero> lol I'm sitting here angry but happy at the same time.
[10:33] <xero> I'm hacking Pokemon Blue.
[10:33] <sits> but you want it running (especially on laptops) because it does Good Stuff
[10:33] <Adlai> there's still some strange problem where applications just don't start at all
[10:34] <sits> xero: the only other thing that springs to mind is that there's something unusual in your X startup scripts
[10:34] <Adlai> normally I'd think it's because it's development, but this is kind of late for such a monumental bug
[10:34] <xero> Which ones?
[10:34] <xero> xinitrc?
[10:35] <Adlai> possibly the system is just getting overloaded with shutdown commands somehow
[10:35] <Adlai> bah
[10:35] <sits> xero: but they would have to be system ones to hit a new user too
[10:35] <sits> xero: what's in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[10:36] <xero> gnome session gnomerc
[10:36] <sits> (this is where it would be handy to have RPMs always available checking facility)
[10:36] <xero> Xserver xgl start server...
[10:36] <xero> I do not have Xgl.
[10:36] <sits> XGL start?
[10:37] <sits> xero: don't delete it just yet
[10:37] <xero> Uhhh there might be a problem there...
[10:37] <xero> I already did...
[10:37] <sits> dpkg -S <nameofthinghere>
[10:37] <sits> doh
[10:39] <Dekkard> did the latest updates do anything wierd to X ?
[10:39] <sits> Dekkard: weird like what? : )
[10:39] <Dekkard> wierd like now my screen redraws horribly
[10:39] <SeveredCross> I think VESA was messed with in the latest round of X updates.
[10:39] <sits> Dekkard: which graphics driver?
[10:39] <penguin42> horribly wrong or horribly slowly?
[10:39] <Dekkard> horribly slowly
[10:40] <Dekkard> like molasses
[10:40] <sits> (check xorg.conf if needs be)
[10:40] <sits> Dekkard: and are you using desktop effects?
[10:40] <Dekkard> nope.. i cant.. i have an integrated vid card
[10:40] <sits> Dekkard: lspci | grep vga
[10:40] <sits> Dekkard: what does that say?
[10:41] <Dekkard> not a thing
[10:41] <sits> Dekkard: lspci | grep -i vga
[10:41] <sits> Dekkard: how's about that?
[10:41] <zerwas> Will Xorg 7.3 make it in Gutsy?
[10:41] <SeveredCross> zerwas: No idea yet.
[10:42] <SeveredCross> Probably not.
[10:42] <Dekkard> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[10:42] <SeveredCross> Because I think we're past the Upstream Package Freeze
[10:42] <sits> Dekkard: ooo and SiS
[10:42] <sits> SeveredCross: which version does Gutsy have?
[10:42] <SeveredCross> H/o, I'll check.
[10:42] <zerwas> Seveas, too sad :-(
[10:42] <zerwas> SeveredCross, too sad :-(
[10:43] <SeveredCross> 7.2-5ubuntu7 is what's in Gutsy.
[10:43] <Dekkard> its never been this bad before.. and on top of it.. im using fluxbox right now becasue with gnome.. tis just totally borked
[10:43] <SeveredCross> I'm reasonably sure 7.3 won't be in, but don't quote me on it.
[10:43] <sits> SeveredCross: you'll have to take my word for it
[10:44] <sits> SeveredCross: but it's not far off what 7.3 will be
[10:44] <Dekkard> should i dpkg reconfigure xserver x.org ?
[10:44] <SeveredCross> sits: Huh?
[10:44] <sits> SeveredCross: it already has xrandr 1.4 in it
[10:44] <SeveredCross> In any case, if Xorg 7.3 doesn't make it in, i don't think it will be backported but will be in the next version.
[10:44] <sits> so I believe it's a prerelease of 7.3
[10:44] <SeveredCross> Well, X is modular.
[10:44] <xero> Yeah. My situation is worse than either unwanted porn or crappy wanted porn
[10:45] <SeveredCross> So xrandr and things like that can be from 7.3 without X itself being 7.3
[10:45] <derblubber> just for the protocol: apt just gave me updates to acpi and something and now my S3 works (compaq presario x1000)
[10:45] <sits> SeveredCross: you call it 7.3 when it's finally released
[10:45] <treitter> if I've got an i945GM, which setup is preferred in Gutsy and beyond?: i810 driver + 915resolution, or "intel" driver?
[10:46] <SeveredCross> Try the intel driver, it's supposed to work fine.
[10:46] <treitter> SeveredCross: it seems to work fine except that video is broken under Compiz
[10:46] <SeveredCross> Ah.
[10:46] <SeveredCross> Must be something with the overlays.
[10:46] <treitter> (I know it's been reported, but some bugs for that seem to be reported as Fixed, but it isn't..)
[10:46] <sits> SeveredCross: what Gutsy has (I *think*) is a prerelease
[10:47] <treitter> SeveredCross: yeah. It doesn't happen if the gstreamer video output is Xv
[10:47] <SeveredCross> Yeah, the Xv extension is known not to work I think.
[10:47] <SeveredCross> If you set it to X11 it works fine.
[10:48] <xero> What's good about Xv?
[10:48] <xero> I see no difference in Xv and X11 video.
[10:48] <sits> Dekkard: you would have to check the changelogs to see what changed. I don't think SiS cards have 3D so that side of things shouldn't impact you...
[10:48] <SeveredCross> I think Xv can do overlays and other fancy stuff X11 can't.
[10:48] <sits> xero: what SeveredCross said
[10:48] <xero> Never noticed it with Beryl.
[10:48] <sits> XShm is interesting but xv tends to be hardware accelerated
[10:48] <xero> Videos wobble fine for me without Xv
[10:48] <sits> xero: that's tricky. That depends on the drivers
[10:49] <treitter> er - yeah. I meant it works if you _don't_ set allow Xv
[10:49] <treitter> Xv also does upscaling, etc., it looks like
[10:49] <sits> some drivers (e.g. NVIDIA) can still provide and accelerate xv under AIGLX
[10:49] <treitter> with it turned off, all my videos look really pixelated
[10:50] <SeveredCross> Xv?
[10:50] <SeveredCross> Really?
[10:50] <SeveredCross> X11 looks the same as Xv to me.
[10:50] <sits> X11 often looks a bit more pixelated
[10:50] <xero> Once again I can easily say that I saw no difference.
[10:51] <SeveredCross> I'm using X11 right know, it lokos a little blurry due to Compiz and having the blur windows effect enabled, but otherwise perfect.
[10:51] <sits> because you aren't doing hypercubicmega scaling on things
[10:51] <SeveredCross> Oh, good call.
[10:51] <sits> but you only tend to notice when you makes things bigger than their native size
[10:51] <xero> I resized a widescreen to 4:3 fullscreen.
[10:51] <xero> No difference
[10:51] <treitter> yeah - I'm sure if I viewed them at their regular sizes, it'd look the same for both
[10:52] <mora> anyone know if they updated iwl4965 to 1.0.0.* in gutsy latest yet?
[10:52] <SeveredCross> I can't even seem to use iwl3495
[10:52] <sits> mora: driver is there but
[10:52] <SeveredCross> I can't figure out how.
[10:53] <mora> im using iwl4965 and it works ok most of the time. but i suspect it's not the latest version (or rather, I hope). Is there a way to find out what version is included?
[10:53] <sits> mora: oh I see
[10:53] <sits> mora: check git would be my advice
[10:54] <mora> ok, thanks. i'll give it a try
[10:56] <sits> mora: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary
[10:56] <SeveredCross> How does one actually use iwl instead of ipw?
[10:57] <sits> xero: still broken?
[10:58] <xero> Yep.
[10:58] <xero> I can use Failsafe on the one account.
[10:58] <sits> xero: what happens if you try and use it on the other?
[10:58] <xero> Nothing at all.
[10:58] <xero> Same as GNOME normal.
[10:59] <mora> sits: thanks for the tip. seems they updated it to 1.0.0-1 15 aug.
[11:00] <xero> Fsck.
[11:00] <xero> Where does GNOME keep saved sessions?
[11:00] <SeveredCross> Warning, running ext2fsck on a mounted filesystem migght cause severe damage. Are you sure you wanna proceed?
[11:00] <xero> lol SeveredCross
[11:01] <xero> fsck /media/SeveredCross
[11:01] <Utnubu> hi all
[11:01] <SeveredCross> I'm mounted readwrite, you might cause damage.
[11:01] <xero> Yes, I'm sure I want to proceed, causing SEVERE damage to /mnt/SeveredCross
[11:01] <xero> erm
[11:01] <Utnubu> Has somebody the same problem that the pc resumes with gdm after standby?
[11:01] <xero> /media/SeveredCross
[11:04] <xero> ...silent...
[11:05] <xero> ./bangmom /usr/bin/SeveredCross; laugh
[11:06] <sits> xero: they are normally packed away into a metacity directory. Other pieces might be in .gconf
[11:06] <xero> Okay. Where is the metacity directory?
[11:06] <xero> ~/.metacity?
[11:06] <sits> xero: typically
[11:07] <sits> but I don't think that will resolve the issue
[11:07] <xero> Found the sessions and rm -rf'd them.
[11:07] <sits> as you are stuck on a completely brand new user
[11:07] <xero> Other account can run Failsafe now.
[11:07] <sits> that makes sense
[11:08] <sits> but it must be some sort of system issue to hang both users on a regular log in
[11:09] <xero> At least we made some kind of progress.
[11:09] <mora> anyone using bluetooth-alsa?
[11:09] <sits> xero: have you tried using startx -- :2
[11:09] <sits> xero: on a console as a regular user? Does that just hang too?
[11:09] <xero> Makes the GNOME sound and hangs.
[11:10] <xero> There was no GNOME sound before.
[11:10] <sits> my guesses are all wrong but I think it might be a session thing
[11:10] <xero> The xsession file for it just uses gnome-session
[11:11] <sits> you had stuff which was unusual in your Xsession.d directory
[11:11] <sits> I can only think that this is a hang over from a 3rd party repository
[11:11] <sits> I wanted to msg you the contents of that dir but I got no reply
[11:12] <sits> in your failsafe terminal
[11:12] <sits> what happens if you try and run /usr/bin/gnome-session ?
[11:12] <sits> (this should hang)
[11:13] <xero> GNOME sound, hang
[11:13] <sits> interesting
[11:13] <sits> can you kill it off
[11:13] <xero> Yes.
[11:13] <sits> xero: now can you run it using strace
[11:13] <sits> this should generate a lot of spew
[11:13] <n0yd> Anyone that uses AWN know how to change the icon on the trash  applet?
[11:13] <sits> strace -f /usr/bin/gnome-session
[11:14] <xero> Ok.
[11:14] <sits> stuff should fly by
[11:14] <sits> but hopefully the last bit will give you clue
[11:14] <xero> hang at poll(
[11:14] <sits> ok what's the lead up to that?
[11:15] <xero> socket, connect, unimportant stuff, gettimeofday, close, poll(. HANG
[11:15] <xero> s/./,
[11:15] <GoodHabit> Hello. How I can update my Kubuntu feisty to Gutsy version?
[11:15] <xero> I wouldn't recommend doing that.
[11:16] <xero> My Ubuntu is broken from it.
[11:16] <GoodHabit> Why?
[11:16] <GoodHabit> Oh.
[11:16] <GoodHabit> Very broken?
[11:16] <xero> GNOME is broken
[11:16] <GoodHabit> I have not gnome.
[11:16] <GoodHabit> ftoo_on_gutsy: Sorry?
[11:17] <xero> XGL gets installed and breaks KDE, GNOME, and lots of other stuff if you don't use it.
[11:17] <ftoo_on_gutsy> i recommend a fresh install....
[11:17] <sits> xero: ps auxw | grep [h] al | wc -l
[11:17] <sits> GoodHabit: to be fair I would ask "Do you have any manually installed stuff or 3rd party repos?"
[11:17] <jsomers> if you don't use any special third-party repo's for beryl, automatix, ... upgrading should work just fine
[11:17] <xero> returns 7
[11:17] <sits> if you do expect a bump ride
[11:18] <TerraMaster> how do I set ownership of a file?
[11:18] <xero> I dont use automatix but i used Trevino Edgy.
[11:18] <xero> chown username file
[11:18] <TerraMaster> thank you\
[11:18] <xero> yer welkum
[11:18] <GoodHabit> I am using only ubuntu-repo soft.
[11:19] <sits> xero: what happens if you do
[11:19] <xero> If I use XGL i get white screen with beryl, and if I don't I cant log in to GNOME.
[11:19] <sits> xero: host ubuntu ?
[11:19] <GoodHabit> Another question - when gutsy releases, what is the way to update?
[11:19] <xero> Should I reinstall XGL and try to fix the WSOD?
[11:20] <GoodHabit> How to make "clean" update?
[11:20] <sits> xero: no
[11:20] <GoodHabit> Or better re-install gutsy from gutsy cd?
[11:20] <sits> GoodHabit: if you ever have the choice do a fresh install
[11:20] <jsomers> it's always preffered
[11:20] <jsomers> the tribe cd should work
[11:20] <sits> GoodHabit: (this goes for anything)
[11:20] <DanaG> That's odd:
[11:21] <jsomers> and then slowly update to upstream
[11:21] <GoodHabit> sits: Sorry, what is fresh install?
[11:21] <DanaG> browsing gmail in Firefox, I get the little name tooltips in threads hanging ON TOP of my scrollbar.
[11:21] <DanaG> Outside the content area!
[11:21] <xero> I have no important data on this computer.
[11:21] <sits> GoodHabit: oh sorry when you said CD I didn't realise you meant update from the CD
[11:21] <xero> Should I just go ahead and format for Gutsy?
[11:21] <sits> xero: I would love to know what the matter is
[11:22] <sits> xero: but at this stage I have to admit it would have been faster. I don't know what those 3rd party repos and manual installs did though
[11:22] <sits> the fact it is hanging on a poll still makes me think that a particular device hasn't been set up properly
[11:22] <xero> If you are ok with it, I think that's what I'll do
[11:22] <xero> Okay?
[11:22] <sits> xero: give me a few more thinking time minutes
[11:22] <xero> Ok.,
[11:23] <sits> xero: what's the result of host ubuntu?
[11:23] <xero> Host ubuntu not found
[11:23] <sits> xero: host google.com
[11:23] <xero> google.com has 3 addreses and 3 mails
[11:23] <xero> 4 mails
[11:23] <sits> xero: host localhost
[11:24] <xero> host localhost not found
[11:24] <sits> good grief
[11:24] <xero> Oh boy oh boy oh boy
[11:24] <penguin42> sits: For reference host localhost and host mymachine   don't work
[11:24] <sits> penguin42: that's somewhat interesting but still
[11:24] <blued> type "host localhost."
[11:24] <penguin42> sits: Because I have a search domain in my resolv.conf
[11:25] <sits> xero: what happens if you add the following line to the top of your resolv.conf
[11:25] <sits> xero: search localdomain
[11:26] <TheInfinity> has someone gnome here and can test something for me?
[11:26] <sits> TheInfinity: don't ask if you can ask, ask : )
[11:26] <TheInfinity> can you try to print www.spiegel.de via firefox or ef.<whatever>  in a postscript?
[11:27] <sits> xero: are you there
[11:27] <TheInfinity> via ff internal postscript function?
[11:27] <TheInfinity> it should crash ;)
[11:27] <penguin42> sure - is print to file ok ?
[11:27] <sits> TheInfinity: ah I see hang on
[11:27] <TheInfinity> but in the bug report someone asked about mnake this with gnome
[11:27] <TerraMaster> Are there any wildcards?
[11:27] <TheInfinity> because i test kubuntu
[11:28] <TheInfinity> you have gnome and it hangs?
[11:28] <sits> TheInfinity: print to file?
[11:28] <TheInfinity> yes
[11:28] <TheInfinity> print to postscript file
[11:28] <TheInfinity> the PostScript default printer
[11:28] <TerraMaster> !wildcard
[11:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wildcard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:28] <sits> xero: hello?
[11:28] <xero> hello
[11:29] <sits> xero: where were you up to?
[11:29] <penguin42> TheInfinity: It seems to have hung
[11:29] <xero> i was looking at food
[11:29] <sits> TheInfinity: maxing out a core
[11:29] <TheInfinity> ok. same as in kubuntu.
[11:29] <xero> im about to eat
[11:29] <sits> xero: did the host thing get any better?
[11:29] <xero> search: command not found
[11:29] <TheInfinity> and you both have gnome?
[11:29] <penguin42> nod
[11:29] <penguin42> I do have KDE stuff installed as well though
[11:29] <penguin42> I'm in a GNOME session
[11:29] <sits> xero: oh I meant edit resolv.conf and add search localdomain at the top
[11:29] <xero> oh
[11:29] <sits> TheInfinity: yes GNOME here
[11:30] <TheInfinity> okay. thanks.
[11:30] <xero> Localhost shows up now
[11:30] <xero> ubuntu doesn't
[11:30] <sits> xero: and what does hostname print?
[11:30] <penguin42> TheInfinity: Seems to be in libgklayout.so
[11:30] <TheInfinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/131793 <-- here ;)
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131793 in firefox "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[11:30] <TerraMaster> !wildcards
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wildcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <xero> hostname prints "ubuntu"
[11:31] <sits> xero: can you try relogging into GNOME?
[11:31] <xero> Ok.
[11:31] <TerraMaster> Is there any way to downgrade?
[11:31] <xero> I get a big gray window with nothing in it
[11:31] <xero> It appears to be an unreadable err message
[11:32] <sits> xero: same as always?
[11:32] <sits> xero: or different to usual?
[11:32] <penguin42> TerraMaster: You might be able to reverse indivudal packages but going back to the previous installation probably not
[11:32] <xero> When I roll cursor over it, it turns into a text cursor
[11:32] <xero> Slightly differemt
[11:32] <sits> xero: hmm!
[11:32] <sits> xero: sorry to drag it out like this but this is curious
[11:33] <xero> At this point I'm seriously about to scream WHAT THE F**K
[11:33] <sits> xero: what were the top to lines of your /etc/hosts ?
[11:33] <penguin42> feel free if it makes you feel better
[11:33] <penguin42> sits: Why do you think this is hostname related?
[11:33] <xero> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[11:33] <xero> 127.0.1.1 ubuntu
[11:33] <Dannilion> great, my wireless doesn't work
[11:33] <sits> penguin42: once upon a time I couldn't log into to GNOME after having some network issue and it turned out to be network related
[11:34] <sits> penguin42: additionally the last thing seen was a poll
[11:34] <sits> xero: ok next can you try your new user?
[11:34] <penguin42> sits: I once had that a long time ago when an applet needed network (dict)
[11:34] <xero> Ok.
[11:34] <xero> Holy crap!
[11:34] <xero> It worked!
[11:34] <penguin42> batman!
[11:34] <sits> penguin42: you often see it with gnome-panel and the like
[11:35] <TheInfinity> penguin42: ... hmm ... how do i find out which *.so hangs? :h)
[11:35] <sits> xero: ok your other problem is a down to that session
[11:35] <sits> xero: yeah sure. Nice way to keep the spirits up
[11:35] <sits> xero: what does the grey box say?
[11:35] <penguin42> TheInfinity: I attached to the firefox process with gdb and did a backtrace
[11:35] <xero> The grey box says nothing.
[11:35] <sits> see I knew it
[11:35] <xero> There are indications there is supposed to be text in it though.
[11:36] <sits> xero: false hope on the new user account too
[11:36] <finalbeta> I can no longer unmount an external usb drive, it's supposedly in use... How can I see what's keeping it from being unmounted?
[11:36] <sits> finalbeta: ooo lsof or fuser are useful
[11:36] <TheInfinity> penguin42: ah. didnt know this ... thanks :)
[11:36] <finalbeta> thanks
[11:37] <penguin42> TheInfinity: just start gdb with no arguments, when it gets a gdb prompt then type     attach xxxx where xxxx is the pid
[11:37] <sits> xero: that grey box
[11:37] <xero> Well now that i have a working user account, I can maybe take the settings from the old one and use them
[11:37] <sits> xero: I think that is down to a broken session
[11:37] <sits> xero: I check whether you have a .gnomerc file
[11:38] <penguin42> xero: Or just move all your . files in your originakl user into a faulty directory
[11:38] <xero> No .gnomerc
[11:38] <sits> xero: and whether (after logging out and stopping any user processes)
[11:38] <sits> xero: doing something like
[11:38] <sits> mv .gconf .gconf.bak
[11:38] <sits> helps
[11:38] <sits> I'd also check whether you have a .xinitrc file
[11:39] <xero> no xinitrc
[11:39] <xero> On old user: GNOME sound, processor noises from tower, HANG
[11:39] <sits> xero: interesting
[11:40] <sits> xero: and you moved aside the old .gconf ?
[11:40] <xero> Yes.
[11:40] <penguin42> move all your .gnome*
[11:40] <sits> xero: what is in .xession-errors now?
[11:40] <sits> penguin42: good idea
[11:40] <xero> setuid/setgid problems, refuse gtk+
[11:41] <sits> xero: towards the end?
[11:41] <xero> Start and end
[11:41] <xero> It's a very short file
[11:41] <xero> All of it is seen with no scrolling.
[11:41] <sits> ok
[11:42] <sits> and you still see that grey box?
[11:42] <xero> One second.
[11:42] <xero> No grey box.
[11:43] <sits> backdrop?
[11:43] <xero> Solid tannish color
[11:43] <penguin42> xero: When it is in the hung state; use ctrl-alt-f1 to go to the console then do   xlsclients -display :0
[11:43] <xero> Very ubuntu-like
[11:43] <sits> and you normally have a picture?
[11:43] <xero> Yes.
[11:43] <sits> ok
[11:43] <penguin42> xero: That should tell you all the things currently running
[11:43] <sits> penguin42: hey that's new to me
[11:44] <xero> gnome-session gnome-screensaver gnome-settings-daemon seahorse-agent
[11:44] <xero> Those 4 are the only things running
[11:44] <penguin42> xero: (or just move all the . files out of the way and continue your life!)
[11:44] <xero> lol
[11:44] <sits> ah
[11:45] <sits> I didn't get you to move aside .gconfd
[11:45] <Dannilion> !xorg
[11:45] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:45] <xero> All . files moved.
[11:45] <xero> Everything still broked
[11:45] <sits> phew
[11:46] <sits> xero: and you have no old processes lingering around?
[11:46] <xero> No.
[11:46] <penguin42> xero: All of your . files?
[11:46] <xero> x-session-manager
[11:47] <xero> There's a new one.
[11:47] <xero> Yep. ALL of my . files
[11:47] <sits> xero: can you log out
[11:47] <sits> then as the target user on a console type killall -u targetuser
[11:47] <penguin42> xero: And delete any files in /tmp belonging to targetuser
[11:48] <sits> penguin42: ahh good thinking
[11:48] <xero> Okay.
[11:48] <sits> perhaps a reboot will be easiest
[11:48] <sits> after the files dotfiles are moved
[11:48] <penguin42> nod
[11:49] <xero> LOL LOL LOL ultimate false hope of death
[11:49] <xero> Everything started perfectly and then it got killed
[11:49] <sits> xero: that's a bit more like it
[11:50] <sits> xero: logging in again results in it dying again?
[11:51] <xero> Actually
[11:51] <xero> That fixed it
[11:51] <penguin42> hmm - I've noticed that a few times now; xchat-gnome giving me a busy cursor (watch) - but otherwise is fune
[11:52] <sits> I'll have to bear this search domain business in mind
[11:53] <sits> I always had a hunch not being able to find localhost had consequences but I never thought they could be so severe
[11:54] <penguin42> sits: My gut feeling is that it is more related to it being 127.0.1.1 on his box - but not sure where that has come from or why it would actually break things
[11:55] <sits> penguin42: That's common these days
[11:55] <sits> I think that's down to support for mdns
[11:55] <xero> Rebooted to install a new kernel, set up my session, w00ted.
[11:55] <xero> Thanks.
[11:55] <sits> xero: hey thank you. You help me understand what the problem was
[11:55] <xero> :)
[11:55] <sits> of course I should have just said reinstall but I'm curious like that
[11:56] <penguin42> sits: OK; I know I can't host localhost put I can ping it, so I don't think it was the resolv.conf
[11:56] <xero> Well you kept me from having to do an all nighter reinstall
[11:56] <sits> penguin42: hmm
[11:56] <xero> It's not easy to replace 40GB of files
[11:57] <sits> xero: just be careful. Those binary drivers can come back to hurt you at any time
[11:58] <sits> penguin42: any how cheers for the help
[11:58] <sits> xero: good luck (and think backups)
[11:58] <sits> bye folks...
[12:01] <Dannilion> how do I find out what wireless card I have so I can try and fix the problem of it not being detected properly?
[12:03] <xero> e/exec env
[12:03] <Dannilion> nm... found it
[12:03] <xero> Crap
[12:03] <xero> HAPPY=xero9364
[12:04] <n0dding0ff> Why did wlan0 suddenly disappear from "Network."  It worked before when I had Gutsy Gibbon loaded, and then it suddenly disappeared.
[12:04] <n0dding0ff> ?
[12:04] <Utnubu> n0dding0ff: check your /etc/network/interfaces
[12:04] <Dannilion> my eth1 (wireless) has also disappeared
[12:05] <Utnubu> my works fine
[12:05] <n0dding0ff> Yeah, I only have my ethernet and modem connection.
[12:05] <Dannilion> eth1 is in my /etc/network/interfaces
[12:05] <Dannilion> but is not coming up anywhere else
[12:05] <Utnubu> remove it or set it to auto
[12:05] <n0dding0ff> I can't really check my system right now.
[12:05] <Utnubu> no other entries
[12:05] <Dannilion> it is set to auto
[12:06] <Utnubu> only lan connections make sense in interfaces and the lo of course
[12:06] <Dannilion> only ones in there are lan and lo
[12:06] <Dannilion> (if I remove eth0 I will lose the internet- not what I want right this second)
[12:06] <Utnubu> with lan I mean wired network
[12:06] <Utnubu> network-manager recognizes the network cards without /etc/network/interfaces
[12:07] <Dannilion> knetworkmanager is not recognising the wireless
[12:07] <Dannilion> (which I guess means network-manager isn't)
[12:07] <Utnubu> Networkmanager shows the connection if it isn't listed in interfaces or it is set to auto and dhcp afaik
[12:08] <Dannilion> it's currently set to auto
[12:08] <Dannilion> it's just disappeared
[12:08] <Utnubu> hm, could you post it in pastebin
[12:08] <Dannilion> bleh... I shall try a restart and see if that fixes it
[12:08] <Utnubu> but maybe it is another problem
[12:08] <Dannilion> I think it's another problem
[12:09] <Utnubu> yeah, a restart is always a good solution :)
[12:10] <n0dding0ff> Utnubu: Okay, I don't have an "interfaces" folder.
[12:11] <xero9364> Ubuntu+2 will be amazing.
[12:11] <n0dding0ff> Oh, it's a file
[12:11] <hydrogen> full of vapourware xero9364? :)
[12:11] <xero9364> Gutsy is already faaaar ahead of Vista/Leopard, so Gutsy+1 = HAPPY
[12:11] <Utnubu> n0dding0ff: it is a file in network folder under etc
[12:12] <Utnubu> xero9364: Why?
[12:12] <xero9364> It looks better, it has -never- crashed on me or any of my friends who use it, and it has more apps than Mac
[12:12] <n0dding0ff> Utnubu: I just got that.  I seem to have that interface.
[12:12] <xero9364> It's also customizable down to the very kernel you run.
[12:13] <xero9364> Even the toughest problems are either patched in a week or manually fixed in a day or 2
[12:13] <Utnubu> hm, ctrl + l doesn't work anymore with compiz
[12:13] <Utnubu> is there a workaround?
[12:13] <Utnubu> xero9364: it is easy to crash with intel driver
[12:13] <Utnubu> and standby
[12:14] <xero9364> It'll be fixed in a week.
[12:14] <Utnubu> that s correct
[12:14] <Utnubu> in some cases it least but it is open
[12:14] <xero9364> Probably less than a week.
[12:20] <xero9364> rm -rf /media/bugs; echo hooray
[12:20] <penguin42> xero9364: use && rather than ;
[12:20] <gustavold> hi all I've updated from feisty to gutsy using update-manager... now all the fonts are big. Do you know what may has gone wrong?
[12:20] <xero9364> Why not ;?
[12:20] <penguin42> xero9364: That way you only echo hooray if the rm didn't error
[12:20] <xero9364> Oh.
[12:21] <Dannilion> reboot fixed wireless
[12:21] <Dannilion> think everything is working again :p
[12:21] <xero9364> What about this?
[12:21] <penguin42> gustavold: I've not got that problem but I seem to remember someone else mentioning it
[12:21] <xero9364> HAPPY=xero9364
[12:22] <penguin42> :-)
[12:22] <xero9364> If only it were that simple to remove bugs and make oneself happy.
[12:25] <n0dding0ff> Utnubu: do you think my problem is an ndisnswrapper problem?
[12:26] <n0dding0ff> I only have about twenty mintues left on this computer, so I need to really hurry.
[12:34] <xero9364> lol
[12:34] <xero9364> Sorry bout the clone.
[12:36] <pat__> hello
[12:36] <pat__> can anyone help me with a problem with eternal lands?
[12:40] <Xero> I forgot where the auto identify setup for XChat is.
[12:42] <Dannilion> okay, now I fixed the sudo timestamp problem, I think everything is working :p
[12:42] <Xero> Everything's good here too.
[12:42] <Xero> Can't wait for October when this becomes official
[12:43] <Dannilion> indeed
[12:43] <Xero> I still remember Flight 5.
[12:43] <Xero> Kinda sucked (no offense)
[12:44] <Dannilion> (which one was flight 5 again?)
[12:44] <Xero> Dapper alpha 5
[12:44] <Dannilion> ahh, dapper
[12:44] <Dannilion> thanks
[12:44] <Xero> Dapper = Drake = Fly = Flight
[12:44] <Dannilion> Dapper was the first one I tested in alpha too
[12:44] <Xero> They always do that kind of stuff.
[12:44] <Dannilion> yeah
[12:44] <Xero> Alpha name is relevant to release name
[12:45] <Dannilion> brain no worky
[12:45] <Xero> WTF is an Eft, by the way?
[12:45] <penguin42> tasty
[12:45] <Xero> What is an eft
[12:46] <Xero> I know what a fawn a drake a gibbon a hedgehog a groundhog and all the others are, but what is an eft
[12:46] <penguin42> Xero: dict.org says it is the common newt
[12:46] <Xero> Lol. A newt.
[12:46] <Dannilion> ahhh
[12:46] <penguin42> there can't be that many animals that start with an 'e'
[12:46] <Xero> But it was "Herd" in alpha wasn't it? Newts don't come in herds...
[12:46] <Dannilion> and next is heron
[12:47] <Dannilion> emu
[12:47] <penguin42> and noone can spell echidna (?)
[12:47] <Xero> Knuckles, penguin42
[12:47] <Dannilion> elephant
[12:47] <Xero> That's how I spell echidna
[12:47] <penguin42> hmm emu wouldn't be bad; I'm not sure elephant would be quite suitable
[12:47] <Xero> elephant = bloated
[12:48] <Xero> Edgy = kewl. Eft = small and fast
[12:48] <penguin42> and obscure
[12:48] <Xero> Edgy Eft fits it perfectly.
[12:48] <Dannilion> heron's aren't obscure
[12:48] <penguin42> I never said they were, I was talking about Efts
[12:48] <Dannilion> (at least not here, where we see them occasionally)
[12:49] <Xero> I see an Eft under my porch sometimes. Appears to be the same one, too.
[12:50] <noah__> FYI, pvmove (LVM) is broken on 2.6.22.. https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2007-September/msg00001.html
[12:51] <Xero> mv /dev/eft /porch/under
[12:51] <Xero> Hey look. An eft under my porch.