jussi01hmmm, kde4 still sucks01:15
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SeveredCrossAnyone else get no sound out of gstreamer?01:27
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arkygeekwell, my laptop is complaining about gutsy...  after trying a suspend, i can no longer even boot to X01:35
arkygeekI am currently trying a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:36
rvallesarkygeek: had a similar problem with a non-laptop... I tried to suspend it and it wouldn't work, even after powering it down by pressing power button 4 seconds01:43
rvallesarkygeek: power supply switch off/on fixed it.01:43
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ubuntu_Can anyone help with the post I just made http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3288781#post328878102:44
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nosebleedHi folks, I'm using Gutsy... I'm using the nVidia CK804 ethernet card with the forcedeth module.... and my connection is very slow.... sometimes less than 10K/s02:50
nosebleedis there a bug? Is that the right module for that card?02:50
nosebleedUsually my connection is around 450K/s02:50
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lavignelooking for help with Gutsy and it hijacking a second drive as dm-0 anyone have any hints.02:51
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rjc21hi all. when i login to gutsy i get a gnome-settings-daemon error. any ideas why?03:21
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grafthey, how do i tell what X version i'm running?03:37
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rjc21graft: Xorg -version seems to work03:40
graftthat tells me 1.3.003:41
graftshouldn't it be like, 7.1.something?03:41
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kousotucan someonewalk me through ndiswrapping Atheros AG5007EG wifi card?03:44
graftactually my problem is fglrx is complaining that the Xorg version is not >
graftbut apparently my version is actually 1.3.0??03:45
lavignethe fix for the dm error is to exclude the disks in the evms config in /etc/evms.conf and reboot03:46
rjc21try dpkg -s xserver-xorg03:46
lavignegraft are you build the fglrx driver yourself?03:47
graftlavigne: hells, no03:47
graftlavigne: using the one in the repository03:47
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mr-russIf I have a bug in 7.10 that's reported upstream, but not in launchpad, should I report it in launchpad.  Or what is best to do?03:50
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arooniucan anyone help me fix my sound problem in gutsy?03:57
mr-russdepends on your problem03:57
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kousotuarooni: when did it happen>04:06
kousotuafter updating?04:06
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kousotucan someone help me with wifiradar?04:19
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aroonikousotu, yes exactly!04:22
aroonii have a t61 with intel hda sound card..... and i installed alsa drivers from source, then modprobed intel_snd_hda .... then it worked!!!  later, i ran a sudo apt-get update04:23
aroonithen it stopped working04:23
kousotuarooni: it's a bug, report it04:23
aroonikousotu, where do i do that04:24
aroonikousotu, and is there a way of fixing it?04:24
kousotuarooni: none that04:24
kousotui've tried04:24
kousotuask in #ubuntu-kernel04:24
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aroonioh noes04:26
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hydrogenhas knetworkmanager been replaced in gutsy by something else new?04:27
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contrast83Thank god they finally took the purple out of the default color scheme.04:53
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contrast83They should make launchpad.net the default homepage in Firefox/Konqueror for the test releases of *Ubuntu.04:54
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uniquewhen the final version of 7.10 comes out will i need to do a complete reinstall or can i just upgrade04:55
contrast83just upgrade04:55
uniqueim running build 504:55
uniqueand how do i find out the version i am running just to double check04:56
contrast83I upgrade compulsively when I'm running test releases, i.e., 2-3 times/day. That might be overkill though. Heh04:56
contrast83unique: What do you mean?04:56
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uniquei want to make sure im running 7.10 ....every thing looks the same04:56
rocketsAnybody using the gutsy thunderbird 2?04:57
uniquewhen i go into fire fox it says Welcome to Ubuntu 7.04, Feisty Fawn!04:58
contrast83unique: The pre-release versions they put out .iso's for are just milestone releases. There's no difference between installing tribe 1 and updating when tribe 5 comes out as opposed to just installing straight from the tribe 5 cd.04:58
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contrast83unique: Erm... $ cat sources.list04:59
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snaxhello there04:59
contrast83unique: I'm sure there's a better way than that, but I'm not aware of it.04:59
snaxis anyone running gnome-main-menu in gutsy?04:59
snaxaka slab04:59
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uniquei get command not found05:00
contrast83umm... wow. o_O05:01
uniquesorry im still really new at this05:01
contrast83no problem... jumping in deep waters to learn how to swim?05:01
contrast83You read the channel topic, right? :-)05:02
uniquethat is located where?05:03
contrast83It should be the first message when you came in this room.05:03
Toma-'cat /etc/issue05:03
Toma-to see your release version05:04
contrast83ahh. Thanks, Toma-. I was used to just seeing it in kcontrol, but it appears that functionality's either been removed or just isn't working atm.05:04
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uniqueok i try both lines and they both bring back no such file or director05:05
aroonidoes anyone have the t61 with built in camera?  if so, have you gotten the built in monitor working?05:05
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aroonii mean bulit in camera05:05
Toma-well you might not be using ubuntu then. or linux for that matter05:06
Toma-because 'cat' is part of the basic commands05:06
contrast83either that or things are seriously screwed.05:06
contrast83unique: Any particular reason you wanted to use Gutsy over Feisty?05:07
uniquei want to learn something new05:08
uniquei type cat and then i am prompted to unlimited text entry05:08
contrast83unique: copy and paste this (no quotes) "cat /etc/issue" and hit Enter05:10
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contrast83unique: you'll need to hit Ctrl+C first if you haven't already cleared out of the last time you ran cat without an argument (the file you want cat to display the contents of in this case)05:11
uniqueyhea i get no such file or directory05:11
uniquesame issue05:12
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contrast83unique: you aren't running from a live cd are you?05:12
Toma-live cd has issue aswell, iirc05:12
contrast83you mean the command should work there regardless?05:13
uniqueuh cd is still in drive but i almost positive that i booted from hd05:13
uniquelet me reboot be back in a moment05:14
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contrast83"yeah, i don't know how to drive, but i think i should start out with an 18-wheeler."05:15
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contrast83unique: What's the verdict?05:18
uniquewas it "cat/etc/list"05:18
contrast83cat /etc/issue (note the space between cat and /etc)05:19
contrast83unique: how long have you been using linux?05:19
unique2 days05:20
uniqueUbuntu gutsy (development branch) \n \l05:20
contrast83unique: yeah, you're using gutsy. honestly though, you really shouldn't be. :-\05:20
DanaGUnstable distros are not good for first-timers -- too much risk of breakage, and without experience, you may not know how to fix things.05:20
snaxcan anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/13651505:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136515 in gnome-main-menu "Tooltips do not disappear" [Undecided,New] 05:20
kousotuDanaG: idk about that. I'm runinggutsy, and I'm a first-timer05:21
kousotuthe newer hardware isn't supported wil on fiesty05:21
contrast83unique: i respect your eagerness to learn, but there's plenty to learn in stable releases. i was using linux about 8 months before i tried a test release, and i learned tons in those 8 months.05:21
kousotusnax: can you,in a nutshell describe the bug?05:22
uniqueyhea but whats the worst i can do if i dont have any valuable documentation created... have to reformat and reinstall...05:22
snaxwhen you select a favorite application from the slab menu, a tooltip appears and doesn't go away by itself05:23
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snaxeven if you click the launcher before the tooltip appears, it will *still* appear after the menu has already been closed05:23
snaxyou have to click it to get rid of it05:23
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contrast83unique: right. and the time you spend reformatting and reinstalling is taking away from the time you could be spending to learn new stuff.05:23
kousotusnax: unds like that windos glitch that pises me off05:24
kousotu(refering to Windows XP)05:24
uniqueok... is there no easy way to downgrade?05:24
snaxit's really annoying because I like the slab menu05:24
contrast83unique: right. just download the feisty cd and install from that. i don't think it's even possible to downgrade.05:24
kousotusnax: never heard of/ used it05:25
snaxsudo aptitude install gnome-main-menu05:25
contrast83unique: how big is your hard drive?05:25
kousotuunique: are you rnning only ubuntu?05:25
snaxkillall gnome-panel05:25
snaxadd it to your panel05:25
contrast83kousotu: yeah, he's only been using linux for 2 days.05:25
contrast83or did you mean is he dual-booting w/ windows?05:26
kousotucontrast83: that's not what I asked05:26
kousotuthe 2nd bit05:26
contrast83my fault05:26
uniquei have a 320gb that is not hooked up it has vista on it... the drive that i have ubuntu on is a 80 gig05:26
kousotubut again, doesn't HAVE tobe windows05:26
kousotuyou're better off running Gtsy imo05:26
contrast83unique: you know you can have both drives hooked up and pick whether you want to boot into ubuntu or windows when you turn the computer on, right?05:27
uniqueyhea but its ntfs and i wasent sure how the partion would handle05:27
kousotuunique: what is our computer make and model?05:27
bullgard4I want to stay for a while with my 2.6.20-16-generic kernel yet but I'd like to test if the 2.6.22 kernel supports resume from suspend-to-disk better. I am not versed with kernel building. Is it safe to copy /cdrom0/pool/main/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb to /usr/src in order to install a 2.6.22 kernel on trial?05:28
kousotuunique: the partion will handle fine, I have complete control ove both my linux and Window partions, o either os05:28
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uniquemsi kn8 neo v2.0 mobo ... sempron 2800 processor05:28
contrast83unique: linux can read ntfs fine. if you want to be able to write to the vista drive though, you'll need to install a couple things ($ sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config) iirc05:28
kousotuunique: self-built?05:29
kousotua 2.8ghz?05:29
kousotuhat's gotta be nice05:29
uniqueim soon ready for the socket f but not enuf driver support05:30
contrast83semprons aren't dual-core, right?05:30
kousotuno, turons are05:30
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uniqueyhea its the only make of sempron that is 64x05:30
kousotuwhat's the difference?05:31
contrast83unique: if you insist on running gutsy, i'd recommend manually setting up the partitions next time you reinstall and setting seperate ones for /home and /05:32
uniquenothing becuse im running 32bit os05:32
contrast83unique: that way your settings and stuff will be left in tact when you reinstall again (just don't format the /home partition when you reinstall)05:32
kousotuunique: do you want me to send you my ext3 driver for windows?05:32
kousotuthen if something bad happens youcan move the impornt stuff05:33
contrast83kousotu: he wouldn't even need to do that if he sets seperate partitions though, right?05:34
kousotucontrast83: Ihave an ext3 driver, it' my failsafe05:34
contrast83kousotu: won't the permissions get borked when you move them to a windows partition, or does this driver keep them proper?05:35
kousotuyou should be able to unstall it on vista, but I'm not sure05:35
contrast83kousotu: are you using it on xp?05:35
kousotuand as longas you leave theformatting of linuxalone, it will too05:35
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d4rkmonkeyhey, any known issues with gutsy having to do with touchpads randomly stopping working?05:36
kousotuitjust attaches a drive letter to it05:36
d4rkmonkeybecause my mouse just stopped working recently...05:36
d4rkmonkeyand then I restarted, it worked for 5 minutes then stopped again05:36
kousotuso instrad of / it would be X:/05:36
kousotuso instrad of / it would be X:\05:36
contrast83call me paranoid, but if i were dual-booting, i wouldn't even want my linux partition visible to windows. i'd be worried a virus might somehow attack it.05:36
d4rkmonkeyI tried restarting X05:36
d4rkmonkeyand restarting my comp only worked momentarily.05:37
kousotucontrast83: that's impssible05:37
kousotuno windows virus can run on an ext3 partion05:37
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contrast83kousotu: it wouldn't be running on ext3, it'd be running on ntfs (i.e., when you're in windows)05:38
kousotuer... this would be the /home folder on windows: x:\/home05:38
d4rkmonkeykousotu errm what if it ran from the NTFS partition, and you had windows configured tobe able to read/write EXT3?05:38
uniqued4kmonkey is it battery operated?05:38
d4rkmonkeyunique nope.05:38
d4rkmonkeyunique touchpad on my laptop...05:38
contrast83d4rkmonkey: did you try reinstalling the synaptic module?05:38
kousotumy windows CN read and write to ext305:39
d4rkmonkeycontrast83 I never installed any specific module for it. It worked up until recently.05:39
kousotubut no virus can infet a linux partion, while running on linux, so the infection would be al too obvious05:39
uniquewhat about Ext4 any better?05:39
contrast83d4rkmonkey: *maybe* try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfree86-driver-synaptics05:39
kousotunever heard of ext405:39
contrast83kousotu: you're missing our point05:40
kousotuoh.. sory, gon sidetracked unique05:40
kousotucontrast83: explain it then05:40
contrast83the virus is running *while* you're in windows. it looks at all the mounted partitions and rapes them. not possible?05:40
uniqueThe ext4 filesystem can support volumes with sizes up to 1 exabyte....05:40
contrast83exabyte = 1,000 terabytes?05:41
contrast83or is that petabyte?05:41
unique1 exabyte.... who in the world05:41
holzmodemhi, have some problems with my radeon card. every time i will activate "AGPfastwrite" for better performance, the whole notebook freezes with white screen, only pushing power button works (ati radeon 9700 mob. + open driver) under feisty it worked fine05:41
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contrast83holzmodem: i know this doesn't solve your problem, but just fyi, instead of using the power button, *slowly* type RSEIUB while holding holding Alt+SysRq05:42
contrast83holzmodem: that will ensure your filesystem doesn't get corrupted05:42
contrast83Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring05:43
kousotuhow to you run checks on the file system?05:43
uniqueok thanks05:43
holzmodemcontrast83: thx for the hint05:44
bullgard4contrast83: exa = Trillion (10^18).05:44
contrast83bullgard4: thx05:45
bullgard4contrast83: peta = 10^1505:45
kousotucontrast83: it would be able to hit NTFS, but I doubt it couldhit the ext3 because the firus is not coded as windows, but dos05:45
contrast83ok. i guess that makes sense.05:46
kousotuor some subline of dos anyway..05:47
kousotudo and such can't writeto ext3, windows, with the driver can though05:47
bullgard4I want to stay for a while with my 2.6.20-16-generic kernel yet but I'd like to test if the 2.6.22 kernel supports resume from suspend-to-disk better. I am not versed with kernel building. Is it safe to copy (from a Gutsy Tribe 4 CD) /cdrom0/pool/main/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb to /usr/src in order to install a 2.6.22 kernel on trial?05:48
xtknightbullgard4, you are copying libc but that is about it ?05:49
xtknightpretty sure gutsy has better suspend-to-disk though05:50
bullgard4xtknight: I do not understand your English "but that is about it" not very well. My intention is to copy a 2.6.22 kernel to my file hierarchy.05:51
xtknightbullgard4, ok, in other words "all you are copying is libc", but not the kernel?05:51
xtknightbullgard4,  you will want linux-image.  but you shouldn't need to copy libc05:52
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bullgard4xtknight: Where is the kernel to be found on the Gutsy Tribe 4 CD?05:52
xtknightbullgard4, you can download gutsy kernels here http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all05:53
xtknightbut i have no idea what will happen05:53
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contrast83good chatting, everyone. gotta go. g'nite05:56
bullgard4xtknight: Gnome Search Tool does not find 'linux-image' on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD. Are you sure about the 'linux-image' identifier?05:57
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xtknightbullgard4, should be correct05:58
xtknightbullgard4, the cd has the packages in a slightly different manner, not sure05:58
xtknighti know linux-image is the kernel, for certain05:58
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mikeI am a Vista 64bit Ultimate user, and I would like to transfer over to linux, but so far in 7.04 64bit and 32 dont mesh.06:01
mikeWhat is the outlook for the next reelase?06:02
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Toma-tbh, 64bit is a total waste of effort right now06:07
nickrudxtknight, bullgard4 it's linux-image-generic06:09
mikeIs linux 64bit only for deveolopers?06:09
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bullgard4nickrud: Gnome Search Tool does not find 'linux-image-generic' on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD. What directory contains the 'linux-image-generic' file?06:13
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nickrudbullgard4, it may not be on the cd; it may only be available over the net. on the cd it'd be linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic06:13
nickrudbullgard4, you'd need linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic also; it's also a dependency of linux-image-generic06:14
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nickrudbullgard4, to clarify a bit ;) the two ones with numbers are the current kernel release; if you have linux-image-generic installed, when a new numbered kernel comes out, you'll get it automatically; if you don't, your kernel won't upgrade automatically06:17
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bullgard4nickrud: I cannot find files on my Gutsy Tribe 4 CD-ROM which have the identifiers you mentioned. In what directory are they stored?06:20
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nickrudbullgard4, a sec, I have to plug in my external to see those iso's06:21
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lastenthow can I upgrade to the beta release?06:26
nickrudbullgard4, pool/main/l/linux-meta06:26
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xtknight!upgrade | lastent06:29
ubotulastent: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes06:29
bullgard4nickrud: .../pool/manin/l/includes only the following 4 directories: linux-atm, linux-source-2.6.22, linux-wlan-ng, localechooser.06:30
nickrudbullgard4, hm, let me recommend my last gtk1.2 app: gnome-find - it simplifies the find command06:31
uniqueok i went to the restricted drivers, then enabled the nvidia accelerated graphics driver when i restart all i get is a blue screen... i think the reslotuion is set to high any ideas how to fix this06:31
nickrudbullgard4, I don't have tribe4 and was assuming the layouts hadn't changed06:32
lastentxtknight, but who can i upgrade to a beta relase?06:32
bullgard4nickrud: Is your CD newer or older?06:32
nickrudbullgard4, older06:32
xtknightlastent, -d switch on update-manager for devel06:32
xtknightlastent, "gksu update-manager -d -c"06:33
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hydrogenunique: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg iirc06:33
lastentxtknight, I get this error warning: could not initiate dbus06:34
xtknightlastent, doesn't sound too good to me.  you may want to reboot.  maybe you got in recovery mode somehow?06:35
bullgard4nickrud: afk 7 min06:35
uniqueok ty06:36
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Dvrmasterokay... reffered from the -1 that i should come here for my xserver problem06:41
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kousotu-1? now that's a new one by me06:44
MYTHBUNTUthe regular ubuntu channel06:44
MYTHBUNTUsince this is plus 206:44
kousotuthen it would be 006:46
bullgard4nickrud: I have not installed gnome-find. I am using Gnome Search Tool. Why do you recommend me to use gnome-find in addition?06:49
kerami have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed but i want the xubuntu startup loader bar thing to show up and not the kubuntu loading bar to show06:49
nickrudbullgard4, it uses the find command as a backend; it's a lot more versatile06:50
keramhow can i do that?06:50
nickrud!usplash | keram06:50
ubotukeram: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork06:50
bullgard4nickrud: So I will install it.06:50
keramnickrud, thanks06:50
nickrudbullgard4, it's old, old, old, but nothing replaces it yet06:51
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MYTHBUNTUgdm wont restart06:54
MYTHBUNTUit just flashes blue and says it isnt configured right06:54
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bullgard4nickrud: I have got a problem: "detlef@MD97600:~$ gnome-find; Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)  serial 14858 error_code 8 request_code 62 minor_code 0". What's that? I probably need to reboot.06:59
nickrudbullgard4, wow, that's really odd.06:59
bullgard4nickrud: So I'm going to reboot. This will take a few minutes.07:00
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bullgard4nickrud: I rebooted. If I am looking for 'image' in /media/cdrom, gnome-find will find nothing. If I am looking for the same in /media/cdrom0, gnome-find will crash with the same error message as before. So it will take me some time to become acquainted with this tool. apropos gnome-find will find nothing!07:33
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nickrudbullgard4, man find. It has the same options07:35
nickrudbullgard4, look for linux07:35
bullgard4'apropos linux' does not mention gnome-find.07:37
bullgard4Gnome Search Tool will find 4 hits: broken-image.gif, gopher-image.gif, loading-image.gif, images.07:38
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bullgard4This will find 'find /media/cdrom0 -iname '*image*' 2>/dev/null' also.07:47
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nickrudbullgard4, I meant search for linux; you gotta have some kind of kernel there :)07:50
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bullgard4nickrud: I've got 13 hits. The largest hit is linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb07:57
nickrudthat's not it, it's some kernel headers for compiling07:58
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bullgard4nickrud: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14393/ Which one is it?08:00
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nickrudbullgard4, none of them. That makes absolutely no sense.08:02
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bullgard4So another find strategy is needed.08:03
nickrudbullgard4, http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14395/ that's your search on mine08:06
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bullgard4nickrud: That looks much more promising. But I checked my CD. It is all right.08:15
mlpug what is the date/time in that "uname -a" outputs? start or completion of kernel compilation time or what?08:18
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bullgard4mlpug: It is the time of the kernel compilation.08:27
mlpugbullgard4, okay. that makes sense. i have multiple kernels and do not know anymore which one is what. I guess its closer to the start of the compilation rather than completion of compilation. do you happen to know this detail?08:30
bullgard4mlpug: No.08:31
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SeveredCrossCompiz Fusion FTW.08:43
SeveredCrossOn ATI too.08:44
SeveredCrossIt just uses hella CPU, but that's expected.08:44
databuddyconsidering its ati :P08:46
databuddywhat ati card?08:46
SeveredCrossMobility Radeon X1400.08:46
SeveredCrossWhich means fglrx, not the open-source radeon driver.08:46
SeveredCrossIf it was the open-source radeon driver, I don't think I would have as many issues.08:47
SeveredCrossBut Compiz Fusion works, as does Emerald. Video playback works, etc.08:47
databuddycongrats then ^^08:48
mlpugi have x1300 and could not get it running08:48
mlpugi did not try too hard yet thou08:49
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mlpugjust put fglrx and appearance enable -> some error08:49
SeveredCrossYeah, you have to run Xgl and not X.08:49
kousotuanyone knowa good MUD client that can be used standalone?08:49
SeveredCrossHere's to hoping that someday the opensource driver will work and we won't have to deal with this.08:49
mlpugSeveredCross, where are the instructions to do the xgl part?08:52
SeveredCrossInstall xserver-xgl08:52
SeveredCrossMake a script in /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh08:53
SeveredCrossAnd put what's in this pastebin in it:08:53
SeveredCrossThen make a file in /usr/share/xsessions/xgl.desktop08:54
SeveredCrossAnd put this in it:08:55
SeveredCrossMake sure to chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh08:55
SeveredCrossAnd make sure you have Composite turnd off in xorg.conf08:56
SeveredCrossSection "Extensions"08:56
SeveredCrossOption "Composite" "0"08:56
SeveredCrossRestart X, choose the Xgl session and you should be greeted with Compiz08:56
SeveredCrossIt takes some screwing around to get the cube and everything working right.08:57
SeveredCrossExpo should work, just pull your mouse into the top left corner.08:57
SeveredCrossTop right corner should be the Mac OS show thing where all your windows fly into the screen and you see all of them everywhere.08:57
SeveredCrossErr all of them at once.08:57
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kousotuanyone knowa good MUD client that can be used standalone?09:00
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SeveredCrossAnyone had any issues with GStreamer being totally borked?09:29
SeveredCrossBanshee and Rhythmbox won't play anything.09:30
SeveredCrossHmm, let's try AmaroK.09:31
SeveredCrossAmaroK works, but KDE software is very broken...It all has to run as root or else it doesn't work.09:36
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Adlai_I just installed amd64 gutsy and updated, and now X won't start09:50
Adlai_It gives me the following 'backtrace':09:50
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Adlai_Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!09:52
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Infectohi, is anybody here? :)10:00
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mewtHi I'm trying to use update manager to upgrade to gutsy..prob is, it's halting in one of the repos saying MD5 sum mismatch10:16
mewtanyone getting the same ?10:16
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mewtFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch10:17
mewtthat's the old feisty repos either way :S10:18
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Infectoi write bad script and remove half of my system  :)10:44
Infectoi dont have any deb manager and even mc :)10:44
Infectocan some one have ide how to repair it?10:45
Infectoi think i will mount and chroot it10:45
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mewtbump ?10:50
AhadielNight guys10:54
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Infectocan some one tell me how in aptitude mark all packages wchich one are installed?11:22
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Asad2005Is there away to revert to old synaptic gui, i dont seems to find out why it doesnot find several apps while universe and multiverse are enabled11:50
Amaranthold synaptic GUI?11:51
Amaranthsynaptic hasn't changed11:51
Amaranthyou're probably using gnome-app-install11:51
AmaranthSystem->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager11:51
Asad2005the GUI looks different in gusty yes11:55
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stefg!info gcc gutsy11:57
ubotugcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-8ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB11:57
Asad2005Amaranth, try searching hddtemp or computertemp in synaptic you will see no result but apt-cache finds it ok11:59
AmaranthAsad2005: it doesn't look different11:59
AmaranthAsad2005: and i can find those in synaptic just fine11:59
AmaranthAsad2005: like i said, it sounds like you're looking at gnome-app-install12:00
Asad2005Amaranth, Then why it doesnt find some apps while apt finds them well12:00
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AmaranthAsad2005: You are not using synaptic.12:00
AmaranthAsad2005: Does the left side of the window you think is synaptic have a list of the categories in your Applications menu?12:01
Asad2005Amaranth, letme recheck12:01
Asad2005Amaranth, Yes you are right many thanks12:02
stefgCan someone enlighten me what service is responsible for getting gnomes session together? For educational purposes i've installed gutsy server to start with and add packages manually (no meta-packages). i've got gdm, metacity and gnome-settings-daemon, but metacity doesn't autostart when logging in (have to manually start from term to get window decorations). Where to look?12:02
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Amaranthstefg: gnome-session12:05
stefgaarrghhh.... of course... would certainly help to install that :-)12:06
stefgbut that's the point... learn what does what12:06
Tomcat_stefg: Install lfs then? :)12:07
stefgTomcat_: did that some time ago... so the basics are clear to me, but i specifically want to examine gutsys gut12:08
Tomcat_Oh, alright. :)12:08
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InfectoCan't locate Debconf/Db.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6.12:19
InfectoBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6.12:19
Infectocan some one help me, or provide this file?12:19
awenis xserver-xgl necessary; or is it possible to turn off Xgl?12:26
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awenwhen I try to open the monitor and display in system settings on gutsy it claims to be missing libpython2.5.so01:13
awenhappened after upgrading today... anybody else having this problem? or how to debug or fix?01:14
ftoo_on_gutsyawen try to install the missing file01:17
Amarantherr, the missing file is a fundamental library of a fundamental part of ubuntu01:18
Amaranthi hope it's just a linker error :P01:18
aweni've just tried reinstalling the python2.5 package01:18
awenbut no luck01:19
Amaranthare you talking about "Screens and Graphics"?01:19
awenit's in the monitor & display (i'm running kubuntu, forgot to say that before)01:20
Amaranthoh, no fscking clue :P01:21
awenthe last dpkg-run: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35911/01:23
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Stormx2font chooser is still not in my menu01:25
Stormx2and my fonts have just shrunk01:25
awenftoo_on_gutsy: how to see which package the file is in?01:26
ftoo_on_gutsyYou can use the command with the syntax 'dlocate <filename>' might help (i googled it)01:28
ftoo_on_gutsydpkg -S dpkg -S libpython2.5.so but u might need to pipe the output to a file01:33
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ftoo_on_gutsydpkg -S libpython2.5.so .. even01:33
ftoo_on_gutsyawen: both answers i google....01:35
awentried searching, but it seems i wasn't that lucky with google this time01:35
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awenpython2.5: /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.101:36
awenpython2.5: /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.001:36
ftoo_on_gutsyno .so?01:36
Infectoapt is giving me Can't locate Binfmt/Lib.pm01:36
awenftoo_on_gutsy: no01:37
ftoo_on_gutsytry cp /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so    ... thhis might work01:37
aweninstalling python2.5-dev gives me an .so01:37
ftoo_on_gutsy/usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0 are probs ya backup after you re-installed01:38
ftoo_on_gutsyno probs def are ...01:38
awenftoo_on_gutsy: seems that installing python2.5-dev fixes it01:39
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ftoo_on_gutsyawen glas to here it :)01:42
awenseems that python2.5-dev needs to be installed in order for the monitor & display to work... isn't that a dependency problem then, that should be filed as a bug?01:43
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ftoo_on_gutsyawen file it and c m801:44
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:47
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Infectoits only my problem? or cdrecord package dont contain binary?02:07
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Infectoyep :) its symlink sry02:09
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PiNEhello!  i have been attempting to load gutsy on my notebook (thinkpad t61) .  i read over glitches and suggestions at thinkwiki but what happened to me hasn't been listed.  the live cd hangs at a blank screen after loading.  everything seems to load fine but instead of going to the desktop i get a black screen.02:57
PiNEhas anyone else experienced this... any suggestions?02:57
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hyljetry using the alternate installer02:58
nosrednaekimtry safe graphics?02:58
PiNEboth great ideas (and i am ashamed to say that i didn't try the same graphics mode)02:59
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PiNEmost documentation seems to say that as of tribe 5 it should load without a hitch... no one has heard anything ot the contrary?03:00
PiNEi'm off to try it again... i'll be back either way but hopefully it will be with good news!03:01
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mewthi, I just upgraded to gutsy and I have some queries, anybody can help ?03:27
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nosrednaekimgo ahead03:28
mewtso, In feisty I had compiz fusion installed using trevinos repos,03:29
mewthowever during upgrade i saw it removed emerald for me03:29
nosrednaekimmewt: and in gutsy its in the main repositories03:29
nosrednaekimreinstall it03:29
mewtso im without borders now..also i know that compiz fusion is installed by default03:29
mewtshould i remove the native compiz fusion beforeinstalling trevinos ?03:29
mewt(if he has for gutsy :p)03:30
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bdgrauei also have no windowdecoration in gutsy, and some other guys too03:34
mewti tried enabling compiz (the one from visual preferences03:35
mewtbut still no decorations03:35
bdgraueand there is no emerald-theme package in the repos03:35
mewtalso no cube etc03:35
mewti installed emerald03:36
mewtfrom the repos03:36
mewtand in my sources.list03:36
mewtthere are only official gutsy repos as yet03:36
mewtso it is in repos03:36
bdgraueemerald, yes, but not emerald-themes03:36
mewtye ur right, it only installed emerald and libemeraldgtk something03:37
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mewtyey gimp updated to 2.3!! :p03:38
mewtbdgraue, so ur like me without window borders ?03:38
bdgrauei have no wondow decorations too03:39
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mewt1 thing im happy about is that nvidia-glx-new now works for me, before i had to compile the drivers myself03:40
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IntuitiveNippleAre you guys referring to Compiz?03:43
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Infectohi can some one tell me how to remove all not nececeary packages, i mean x system kde, and all others, i need clean kernel and dpkg tools, aptutude, i need reinstall all packages03:50
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TheInfinityremove kubuntu desktop and make autoclean after it03:51
IntuitiveNippleIf you have the compizconfig-settings-manager installed, I found that enabling Window Decorations solved the issue I was seeing03:51
TheInfinityif you need a clean kernel without any config probs -> complete reinstall03:52
mewtIntuitiveNipple, i just did an apt-get remove compiz* to remove all the compiz stuff since i had trevinos stuff installed before upgrade and read that they dont upgrade cleanly03:53
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mewtcripe, trackerd is some new beagle thing ?03:55
dick-richardsonI'm not seeing strigi in my applications menu since tribe 5 was released...is there something I need to do?03:55
IntuitiveNipplemewt: Yeah, I had to do that several times to perfect the method and understand the issues between 'desktop effects', Amaranth's Compiz, and other repositories03:56
mewtmm getting problems installing, broken dependencies :d03:57
mewtIntuitiveNipple, which ones are you using ? official from repos ? or a third party ?03:59
bdgrauehere ist what i get if i run fusion-icon and switch to compiz  and between kde-window.decorator and emerald03:59
mewtbdgraue, what compiz are you using tho ?04:00
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IntuitiveNippleFor Gutsy, those installed by default only. It's too unstable to use for work, so I'm on feisty with Amaranth's launchpad repo version04:01
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mewtan aside, since feisty i had 1 update that was always held back, it's usbmgr04:02
mewtit's still being held back in gutsy04:02
mewtany idea why ?04:02
IntuitiveNipplenot sure about that, haven't noticed it04:03
mewtsweet, compiz fusion running it seems, still with old metacity decorations tho04:04
miklIsn't there a guide to creating tracebacks somewhere?04:04
IntuitiveNipplemikl: Using dbg you mean?04:06
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miklIntuitiveNipple: eeh, I don't know - I just wanted to help fix a bug :)04:07
IntuitiveNipplemikl: show me the bug; I'll see if I know which technique you want :)04:08
MenZaMan, the new icons for the games are pretty. <304:09
mewtMenZa, they are, really much more colourful and all04:09
miklIntuitiveNipple: There's not much to it - Thunderbird segfaults on opening e-mails :)04:09
bur[n] ertbird doesn't segfault here04:09
mlpugis help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto/ATI valid for gutsy or only feisty and older?04:10
miklhmm, I wonder if...04:10
miklohwell, that was an easy fix...04:10
MenZamewt: yeah :)04:10
MenZamewt: Just re-installed my system. Had some alsa problems. Was greated with wonderful new icons for Gimp and the games.04:11
mewtanybody, what are you using to configure compiz at all ?04:11
mewti upgraded from fesity04:11
MenZaI always do clean installs.04:11
mewtno probs till now, small clash with nvidia drivers, since i was on manual install, now on nvidia-glx-new04:11
mewtand now some probs with compiz/emerald04:11
mewtAND! i see now that i lost my wireless card04:12
MenZaI have a bunch of issues with dhcp04:12
mewtwhich is strange since the card is a ralink chipset card04:12
mewtmmm i seem to not be getting automatic dhcp leases before i go into gdm04:12
MenZamine's more severe04:13
mewtonce in gui it leases automatically04:13
MenZaI don't get it automatically, I have to run dhclient eth0, and it loses it after a while04:13
MenZaAnd then I can't reactivate it04:13
MenZa== reboot necessary04:13
IntuitiveNipplemikl: make sure "gdb" is installed, then start thunderbird from gdb using "gdb thunderbird" - when thunderbird crashes give gdb the command "bt" to get a backtrace04:13
mewti had a similar prob in feisty, If i leave the pc idle for some time, network manager used to cut me off04:14
mewtall i had to do was reselect wired and it would get a connection agian..strange04:14
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miklIntuitiveNipple: ok, thank you04:16
mewt*cries for all the compiz settings were lost*04:16
IntuitiveNipplemikl: I've posted those instructions to the bug report too04:17
IntuitiveNipplemewt: That's not crying, it's the rain from the water effects :)04:18
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miklIntuitiveNipple: Well, I found out that it was due to the fact that I had Enigmail installed without having GPG :)04:19
miklIntuitiveNipple: so you can mark that as invalid - I can't figure out how to do it :)04:19
IntuitiveNipplemikl: Why not post that to the bug, so others that have the same issue know how it is solved?04:20
mewtIntuitiveNipple, ye lol, altho i can't seem to find the option were to put emerald as my wm and i seem to have a piece of toast floating instead of a cube since i only got 2 faces04:20
IntuitiveNipple(I remember having that happen to me a long time ago, too!)04:20
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IntuitiveNipplemewt: Well, General Options  > Desktop Size > Horizontal Virtual size is the place to increase the number of 'desktops'04:22
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mewtye put that up to 4 but still got a toast04:22
mewtmaybe a compiz restart ?04:22
mewtmm no effect and lost my decorations back to metacity ones04:24
mewtwindow decoration plugin doesnt seem to be working ..mmm04:24
IntuitiveNippleSounds like a conflict I was having at one point... if I made a change it wasn't reflected immediately. Turned out to be a conflict of some kind04:26
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ArwenX.org seems to be running on tty8 instead of 7, is there a reason for that?04:28
mewtmine seems to be on 704:29
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riot_l1hi @all04:29
riot_l1does anyone here runs Gutsy with an Ati X... Card?04:30
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riot_l1no one?04:31
mewtnvidia here..why don't u just ask your question, maybe someone has an answer for it jsut the same04:32
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riot_l1i upgrade my system (Dell 9400 superb, with 2GB Ram, Ati X1400) to gutsy and now the desktop is very slow, scrolling in firefox looks like the waves in the oceans. what can i do?04:35
riot_l1and another problem is that when i want to want to change to terminal by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Fx i get a blank screen but no login04:37
awenriot_l1: sounds like the problem i had with XGL04:37
riot_l1i want no xgl or aiglx i just even want to use my desktop. i heard that compiz is part of gutsy, i looked at the settings and they sayd "No Effects", that means that it is disable but it doesnt look so04:39
awenriot_l1: i am using a ATI radeon 9600 mobile, with the open source driver... and when xgl started to get enabled by default, it went totally unusable regarding speed04:39
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mewtanyone got awn running on gutsy ? if yes from were ?04:39
awenriot_l1: try removing /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00... (has something with xgl in it)04:40
awenor copy it to someplace else04:40
riot_l1i use fglrx-drivers, dont know what to do and where to search04:41
awen(that prevents xgl from getting started... don't know if it is the best solution, but it worked for me)04:41
riot_l1i will try it04:43
awenriot_l1: seems we are not the only ones https://launchpad.net/bugs/13659804:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136598 in xserver-xgl "xserver-xgl on gutsy doesn't work" [Undecided,New] 04:43
miklIntuitiveNipple: hmm, stange - it seems to have resurfaced...04:43
miklIntuitiveNipple: however gdb thunderbird does not wok04:44
IntuitiveNipplemikl: in what way doesn't it work?04:44
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miklIntuitiveNipple: "/usr/bin/thunderbird": not in executable format: File format not recognized04:45
chrisjs169I just installed Google Earth, but when I try to run it, Ubuntu restarts - any tips?04:45
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penguin42chrisjs169: It works OK for me; my best guess would be 3D driver problems - does 3D stuff work ok for other programmes?04:47
mewtmm, dunno if it's a bug, but firefox crashed while changing themes for me and now the taskbar panel at the bottom is fudged, firefox still shows but the icons dont point to the correct application04:47
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IntuitiveNipplemikl: strange04:47
riot_leso that works i think, not so fast like feisty but it works04:47
riot_lehas anyone a idea why i cant use the tty-Terminal?04:48
IntuitiveNipplemikl: Is /usr/bin/thunderbird a script file that calls the real executable?04:48
miklIntuitiveNipple: I think it is that with all the Mozilla apps04:48
IntuitiveNippleriot_le: That sounds like a video-mode issue at boot. I'm seeing the same thing on some PCs with gutsy tribe-5 and Nvidia04:48
IntuitiveNipplemikl: Hmmm, I don't have thunderbird installed to test04:49
IntuitiveNipplemikl: But I get the same result trying to run Firefox :)04:49
riot_lemmh i using ati, but what can be the matter? i had the same problem with edgy eft. dapper and feisty run it without any problems04:49
miklIntuitiveNipple: theres 189 lines of rather complicated shell script there :)04:50
IntuitiveNipplemikl: yes, the /usr/bin/xxxxx is a symlink to /usr/lib/xxxx/xxxxx04:50
awenriot_le: is the problem, that nothing happens when pressing ctrl+alt+F1 ?04:50
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riot_leno, when i press the combination for change to terminal i got a black blank screen without login04:51
miklIntuitiveNipple: then I just need to figure out what parameters I need to pass to _start_ thunderbird ;)04:52
IntuitiveNipplelol yeah, I'm running it with Firefox ( gdb /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin ) then "run" but without the script setup it isn't finding libraries. I think the best thing to do is insert "gdb" into the shell script where it starts the app :)04:54
chrisjs169penguin42: I don't think I have any other 3D stuff, but is it possible that it's restarting due to me using onboard gfx and 512MB ram?04:54
miklIntuitiveNipple: I'll try that04:54
IntuitiveNipplemikl: open the script file, and search for "exec_verbose"04:55
riot_leno one who have the same problem?04:55
miklIntuitiveNipple: hmm, thunderbird -g seems to do the trick04:55
IntuitiveNipplemikl: you'll see a line like " exec "$@""04:55
IntuitiveNippleahhh cool :)04:55
riot_leps aux |grep getty gives this:04:55
riot_leps aux |grep getty04:55
riot_leroot      4685  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty4     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty404:55
riot_leroot      4686  0.0  0.0   1692   512 tty5     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty504:55
riot_leroot      4688  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty2     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty204:55
riot_leroot      4689  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty3     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty304:55
riot_leroot      4690  0.0  0.0   1692   516 tty1     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty104:55
riot_leroot      4693  0.0  0.0   1696   520 tty6     Ss+  16:44   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty604:55
riot_leroot      7568  0.0  0.0   2992   784 pts/0    R+   16:54   0:00 grep getty04:55
penguin42chrisjs169: I wouldn't have expected it to cause a restart04:55
IntuitiveNippleriot_le: Have you searched launchpad bugs for something similar?04:56
riot_leyes but doesn't found something simliar04:56
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chrisjs169penguin42: I wouldn't either, but I tried twice to start GE (latest beta version) and it restarted04:57
IntuitiveNippleriot_le: You should create a new bug report then04:57
miklIntuitiveNipple: whan can I put in gdb before 'run' to keep it from interrupting with "Type <return> to continue..."...04:57
IntuitiveNipplechrisjs169: What video chipset is on that PC?04:58
chrisjs169IntuitiveNipple: I'm not sure - hold on04:58
IntuitiveNipplemikl: Just hit Enter a few times, they'll soon stop04:58
IntuitiveNippleG.E. 4.2 ?04:58
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chrisjs169I believe so - I just downloaded the latest copy04:59
chrisjs169yes, 4.204:59
IntuitiveNippleIt sounds like a nasty video-driver issue; not much else in G.E. that can play nasty with the system05:00
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miklIntuitiveNipple: ok, put the traceback up there :)05:00
IntuitiveNipplechrisjs169: You should post to the Earth-Linux group: http://groups.google.com/group/earth-linux?hl=en05:00
IntuitiveNipplemikl: thanks :)05:01
chrisjs169IntuitiveNipple: ok - I'm planning on adding another 512MB ram and adding some video card that's laying around05:01
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mewthehehe, glxgears kills x05:13
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IntuitiveNippleI've got the gears running inside the cube quite nicely... eats battery-life though :)05:15
mewtmm, there is an avant-window-navigator inthe repos05:16
mewthowever it has no installation candidate it says05:16
mewtI wonder why..05:16
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Noah0504So, what's the deal with all of the new folders created by default in the home directory?  Is that part of the new Gnome version, or did Ubuntu devs decide to go with that?05:28
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dick-richardsonI'm not seeing strigi in my applications menu since tribe 5 was released...is there something I need to do?05:35
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Asad2005I have a DWL-G520+ D-LINK wireless which is working fine in feisty but in gusty ifconfig shows no wireless ? anyone got it working in gusty05:56
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Asad2005lspci  shows "Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface [104c:9066] "06:01
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Ind[y] In wireless networking, I have Roaming Mode enabled, and it normally tries to connect to my home network first. But sometime I tried to connect to another netwrork, and since then, it always attempts to connect to that network first, automatically. How can I set back my network to be the default/first network to attempt to connect to?06:32
lucasvoanzone has problems with thunderbird here? Mine crashes after checking for new mail.06:35
penguin42lucasvo: I don't use thunderbird, but there was someone here about 4 hours ago with a similar problem06:37
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lucasvopenguin42: ok, I'll read the logs06:42
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shirishpenguin42: can you confirm that https://www.facebook.com is not working?06:50
penguin42yeh seems broken06:51
lucasvoomg, facebook is down! waaa! help, what can I do? I'll be bored all night. ;)06:51
IntuitiveNipplecorrr! people will have to try real life :p06:51
lucasvooh, well it's only the https that's not working06:52
lucasvohttp works06:52
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IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: the earlier problem is on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/13659406:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136594 in thunderbird "Thunderbird segfaults when reading mail" [Undecided,New] 06:53
penguin42sounds like it should be confirmed06:53
IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: If you can do a gdb as well, that'll help us confirm it06:53
lucasvoIntuitiveNipple: hm, I haven't figured out how to run gdb06:54
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: not yet, there's still a possibility it is caused by 3rd art plugin06:54
lucasvowhat arguments do I have to pass to it?06:54
IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: I put the details in the bug06:54
lucasvoIntuitiveNipple: only plugin I have is enigmail06:54
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IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: but it's easier to just do "thunderbird -g"06:55
lucasvo"/usr/bin/thunderbird": not in executable format: File format not recognized06:55
IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: That's the one that is suspected, so if you can confirm, we're cooking on slightly hot gas :)06:55
IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: do "thunderbird -g"06:55
IntuitiveNipplethen hit Return a few times to get past the paged messages :)06:56
shirishlucasvo: thanx for telling me 'http' is up, its so much secure :P06:56
lucasvoshirish: well, it's secure enough to feed my addiction ;)... seriously, whatever info there's on facebook, using https won't do much to protect it from thefts06:57
shirishlucasvo: that's true ;)06:57
mewtwhat's the point of facebook anyway ?06:57
mewtall this social networking needs to be crashed and burned straight away06:58
Dannilioncommunicating with people you haven't seen since you were 6.06:58
mewttakes too much out of real life!06:58
Dannilionwhat's this real life you speak of?06:58
mewtgoing out to eat at a nice chinese restaurant with your girlfriend for instance06:59
mewtor nip down to the bar with your friends for a beer06:59
mewtget off the pc :p06:59
mewtim off for the chinese restaurant in a few minutes in fact :o facebook wont be replacing that :p07:00
lucasvomewt: nothing in the world can replace good food07:00
mewtlucasvo, that is true07:00
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lucasvoIntuitiveNipple: I'm not really into the whole bash, how can I dump the output the a file and have it show up on the console as well? I can only do either of it.07:01
mewtsudo cat /dev/life1 | grep fun   <-- it always turns out to be a symlink to off the computer (damn im feeling geeky :< )07:01
lucasvoIntuitiveNipple: hm, the bug disappeared07:03
lucasvoah and it crashed again07:03
lucasvoonly ten secs later this time07:03
IntuitiveNipplelucasvo: You need to manually interact with gdb, to do the backtrace (bt). You only need to cut/paste the backtrace report, not the loading report.07:04
lucasvoIntuitiveNipple: ok, I posted it07:06
IntuitiveNippleThanks :)07:06
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sitshi there. I'm using an Intel 82801G soundcard with the snd-hda-intel driver on an Ubuntu Gutsy 2.6.22-10-generic kernel and I'm getting repeatable crackling. Does anyone have any ideas?07:10
underwatercowIs there any reason I can't install Feisty packages on Gutsy?07:11
sitsunderwatercow: dependencies?07:11
penguin42sits: I've not seen that myself; although there seem to be lots of issues - e.g. it losing it after hibernate; have you tried removing the snd_hda_intel module and re modprobing it?07:12
IntuitiveNipplesits: Is that immediately after boot, or after a suspend/resume?07:12
sitspenguin42: good question07:12
sitspenguin42: I haven't lost it on hibernate or suspend yet07:12
IntuitiveNippleI'm working on the 'lost sound' issue, but it could be related since it seems the PCI config is being messed up07:12
sitspenguin42: and yes I've modprobe -r'd it07:13
sitsIntuitiveNipple: I am currently in a suspend/hibernate cycle but I believe it happens straight after boot too07:13
IntuitiveNipplesits: There's a related bug that had crackling, but that was related to bad DMA handling... is the sound 'ok' aside from the crackles?07:13
sitsIntuitiveNipple: yup07:13
sitsyou can hear the sound of the music as intended it just clicks and pops07:13
sitsnot every track is equally bad either - some seem worse than others07:14
underwatercowsits: would the dependencies cause problems? or would I just need to install them manually?07:14
sitssound card is sharing interrupts with usb and wifi...07:14
sitsunderwatercow: typically debs specify dependencies which is why it is easier to use a depsolver with them07:15
sitsunderwatercow: generally you have to think VERY carefully before you go forcing dependencies as that is usually the path to ruin07:15
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underwatercowis there an easy way to install wine on gutsy right now?07:16
Piciapt-get install wine07:16
IntuitiveNipplesits: Which codec does the PC have?07:16
underwatercowonly problem with that07:16
underwatercowI don't have internet access on my gustsy system now07:16
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IntuitiveNipplesits: try "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#*"07:17
sits(just testing something)07:18
sitsAnalog Devices AD1981 (and a Conexant modem)07:18
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underwatercowso the question is... how can I install wine without internet access?07:19
IntuitiveNipplePull the cork, and tip the bottle :)07:21
sitshmph. Looks like the issue is not the sound card. That's what I get for not triple checking07:22
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IntuitiveNipplesits: Well thats good news! I could do with one less issue to solve :)07:26
sitsIntuitiveNipple: heh07:26
IntuitiveNippleatm, I hear someone mention snd-hda-intel I run and hide :)07:27
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: I remember there being a hibernation problem with intel sound at the start of feisty - is there a particular reason it happens commonly on this chipset?07:30
penguin42or maybe it wasn't hibernation; it was certainly it being dead and fixing it was removing and reinserting the modules07:30
IntuitiveNippleWell, I got involved when I got a new Vaio laptop and on resume it would loop and pop; turned out to be the DMA / PCO config issue I described earlier. Now, with gutsy, on resume there's no sound *and* the PCI config registers are messed up so it has been put into AC'97 mode, not HDA (this is with the Simatel codec - not sure about others as yet)07:32
IntuitiveNipplemy typos! s/Simatel/Sigmatel/07:33
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sitsok anyone here using Gutsy's rhythmbox?07:39
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penguin42sits: Yeh07:48
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: Looks like this Tosh has a Realtek07:50
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IntuitiveNipplethe whole snd-hda-intel is a minefield, the problems are usually with the individual codec modules, not snd-had-intel, but it gets nailed because it is the umbrella07:51
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: Physically how is it split? The chipset pumps sound data to a bus and the codec's actually do the analogue stuff?07:52
IntuitiveNipplethe 'codec' module does most of the heavy lifting... the snd-hda-intel is more like a framework - it is the API the 'codecs' are written to07:54
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xtknightwhat kind of virtualization improvements are in Gutsy?08:01
xtknightis there paravirt for 64bit yet?08:02
sitsas in paravirt of 64bit systems?08:02
xtknightparavirt for a 64bit host08:02
xtknightguest rather.08:03
sitsI doubt it08:03
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xtknightmust not have made it in on time? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg194384.html08:04
penguin42sits: Ther seems to be a ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd6408:05
xtknightit was a planned feature for gutsy if i recall, but i'm not sure08:05
penguin42ah you mean not-xen paravirt ?08:05
xtknightnot sure what "planned" means either, if it was blueprinted or just speculated08:05
xtknightpenguin42, paravirt for vmware for example.  32bit paravirt works but 64 does not08:05
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penguin42what's paravirt for vmware?   I've done vmware and I've done paravirtualised xen setups08:06
cheeseboyis chroot broken in gusty ?08:06
xtknightpenguin42, vmware 6 has paravirtualization for OSes that support it.  only linux 32-bit does on gutsy08:06
penguin42oh interesting, I hadn't realised vmware had jumped on that bandwagon as well08:07
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xtknightanyone know the kernel option name for paravirt_ops ?08:08
xtknightCONFIG_PARAVIRT.  ya it's not in amd6408:08
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sitscheeseboy: broken how?08:13
cheeseboygreg@cheeseboy:~$ sudo chroot /newarch08:14
cheeseboychroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory08:14
sitscheeseboy: that sounds like your chroot doesn't contain /bin/bash08:15
cheeseboyhow would i fix that?08:15
sitswell it depends on why you're chrooting. But generally you need a shell you can run (and the libraries that shell needs etc) already in the chroot I guess08:16
cheeseboyim chrooting to my pendrive08:16
cheeseboyi want to install archlinux to it08:17
sitscheeseboy: I don't think it works they way you think it does...08:17
sitscheeseboy: check google for chroot guides - those might give you a hint of what you would need to do/have first08:18
cheeseboysits ive done this before cept installed gentoo08:18
cheeseboyand im following that08:18
sitscheeseboy: in that case you need to tell chroot what program to run in the chroot08:19
sitscheeseboy: and if you look there's a whole load of stuff you need to have set up before you run chroot08:19
cheeseboyso chroot /newarch pacman -S kernel2608:20
cheeseboysits ive followed that whole tut up to chroot /newarch08:20
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sitscheeseboy: I'm guessing the chroot should have a bin/bash inside it already08:20
cheeseboytheres no os installed yet08:21
sitsnote I don't use pacman08:21
AdlaiI have a new install on amd64, and X won't start08:21
sitsbut there's a line saying08:21
sitsAdlai: NVIDIA?08:21
Adlaiit gives me a 'backtrace' that looks like this:08:21
AdlaiInconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!08:21
Adlaisits: yes, nvidia08:22
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sitsAdlai: oh hum. Good luck with that...08:22
xtknightAdlai,  i had a backtrace with nvidia/amd64 a while ago.  but it fixed it self after the last few tribes08:22
xtknightlast few updates i should say08:22
Adlaiyeah, this is tribe 5 with most recent updates08:22
sitsAdlai: but I have to admit I haven't seen that particular problem in the bug reports before...08:22
xtknighti feel your pain08:22
xtknighti had all updates too and it still happened at one point08:22
xtknightbut somehow it cleared itself up08:23
xtknighti had ld.so inconsistences08:23
xtknightw/e that means08:23
sitsAdlai: manual binary driver install?08:23
xtknightAdlai, type "sudo ldconfig" do you get a bunch of errors?08:23
Adlaisits, ...I installed nvidia-glx08:23
Adlaixtknight: three errors for libgcj08:24
sitsAdlai: no old manual installs in the past?08:24
Adlaisits: nope, it's fresh08:24
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sitsAdlai: fair enough. Definitely new to me08:24
xtknightAdlai, actually i havent even tried the nvidia pkg that was in there.  maybe im not experiencing a problem since i'm using nvidia.com drivers.08:24
Adlaixtknight: libgcj.so.81.0.0, libgcj.so.81, libgcj_bc.so.108:24
xtknightAdlai, here's what im using [   59.281317]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  100.14.11  Wed Jun 13 16:33:22 PDT 200708:24
xtknightyou could give those a try instead of restricted.  if that works i'd look at getting a bug report started for restricted and i'd help you with that08:25
sitsAdlai: can you boot nv or vesa?08:25
Adlaierm, hang on08:25
sits(I'd imagine they would have the same problem)08:25
Adlaioh hang on08:25
Adlaiit's using driver "nv"...what happened there08:25
xtknighti tracked my problem down to a specific version of xserver afiak08:26
sitscheeseboy: I was going to say08:26
Adlaixtknight: hmm, okay08:26
sitscheeseboy: one of the lines mentions pacman.static -S bash pacman filesystem -r /newarch08:26
WarboHi, after running some updates to Compiz I no longer get window borders (turning the window decoration on and off affects the shadows, but no titlebar shows up). Am I doing something wrong or should I submit a bug?08:26
cheeseboysits i got that08:26
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sitscheeseboy: I don't know what that does08:27
cheeseboysits i thought that was the solution to the problem above my fault08:27
cheeseboyall good now08:27
sitscheeseboy: but it sounds like it should install a filesystem for you in the chroot08:27
sitscheeseboy: oh fair enough. What fixed it?08:27
cheeseboypacman.static -S bash pacman filesystem -r /newarch08:27
cheeseboyall i needed08:28
sitscheeseboy: guess I was too slow coming up with the goods eh?08:28
Adlaiit may have just fixed itself, I'll have to go look08:28
cheeseboyonly 1 second behind08:28
Adlaixtknight: how do I fix those linking errors?08:28
xtknightAdlai, no idea08:29
xtknighti updated and they fixed themselves08:29
sitscheeseboy: As I said I haven't used pacman but I'll bear that in mind08:29
xtknightas creepy as that sounds08:29
AdlaiI'm coming from gentoo, where you just "revdep-rebuild" and they go away08:29
Adlaiwell thanks, cheers08:29
xtknightAdlai, what happened?08:29
sitsAdlai: it fixed itself?!08:29
xtknightAdlai, i really feel good someone else is having my problems though.  if it fixed itself that still means there's a bug somewhere.  i had other library problems with gutsy (and stll do) like firefox not staring because of corrupt .so problems.  something's wrong with ldconfig in gutsy i think08:30
xtknightmost times i update firefox wont start08:30
sitsxtknight: you would have to see if you can get it to say why08:31
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xtknightBus error08:31
xtknighttracked it down to two corrupted .so files08:31
xtknightBug 13378608:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13378608:32
sitsxtknight: that's worrying08:32
xtknightactually epiphany still says it doesn't support SSL08:32
xtknightdont know what's up with that08:32
sitsxtknight: files should corrupt themselves. That sounds ominous08:33
sitsxtknight: please make sure you have working backups08:33
xtknightyeah :\08:33
xtknighti'm going to try latest tribe 5 and see if i can reproduce anything08:33
xtknightright now i'm tribe 3 + updates i believe08:33
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sitsxtknight: I'd double triple check stuff. That sort of thing sounds like pending hardware error08:34
xtknighti'm not sure.   i think it's just bugs because i've had plenty with gutsy08:34
sits(or serious fileystem corruption)08:35
xtknightdo have backups of critical stuff tho08:35
sitsgood good08:35
xtknightthis is 3 drive raid008:35
sitsraid isn't a backup unfortunately08:35
xtknightdata has 1/3 chance of survival08:35
xtknighti'm wondering08:35
sitsit's not raid0 is it?08:35
sitsyou mean raid1 don't you?08:36
xtknightnah raid008:36
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xtknightbut that doesn't explain much.08:36
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sitsxtknight: OK I'm only going to tell you this once and then I'm going to try and forget this whole conversation08:36
sitsxtknight: you have tripled your chances of FS corruptoin08:36
jpmitchellHowdy al.08:36
xtknightAdlai, do you have raid?08:37
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jpmitchellQuick question about upgrade path if someone has a moment..08:37
xtknightsits, i do understand that.  this doesn't invalidate the bugs though08:37
sitsxtknight: if any one disk in your RAID fails you stand to lose it all (this isn't wholely true but it's close enough). Effectively you have made your data MORE volatile08:37
sitsxtknight: indeed08:37
xtknighti'm willing to pay that price for the performance08:37
xtknighti don't have too much critical stuff here08:38
sitsxtknight: right now I can forget I said that : )08:38
xtknightHDs have been great for me so i'm playing my cards08:38
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xtknightthis may be a temporary install.  raid0 3 drive doesnt give much benefit over 2 drive so i may go back to 208:38
xtknightbut it has been working just fine so far.  there has been no corruption that i can tell and i use 20GB VM files08:39
jpmitchellxtknight: RAID0 with 3 drives can give youa big benefit, but you need to tune the stripe size..08:39
xtknight.so files corrupted are consistently reproducible thru every updates, they have nothing to do with my RAID and they are always the same files so i wouldn't jump to conclusions08:39
xtknightjpmitchell, ah yeah how do you adjust stripe?08:40
xtknightdo you have to use mdadm manually?08:40
xtknighti didn't see an option in alternate but maybe i missed it08:40
penguin42xtknight: You're seeing corrupted .so's ? Based on what? md5 of them?08:40
jpmitchellxtknight: You need to set the chunk size when you setup the RAID..08:40
xtknightpenguin42,  based on firefox getting Bus Eror with the specific set of .so files.  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13378608:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New] 08:41
sitsxtknight: the RAID business is just incidental to the corruption08:41
xtknighteach update or every other update those two .so files corrupt themselves, but sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox always fixes it08:41
jpmitchellSo, will I be able to upgrade from Tribe 5 of Gutsy to the final production version..08:41
sitsjpmitchell: in theory08:41
xtknightjpmitchell, chunk size is settable in Alternate?08:42
xtknightprobably big is better for more drives because of less latency.  but i do have a lot of big files here.08:42
jpmitchellsits: Hmm.. I _need_ to get to the .20.2 version of myth and gutsy appears to be the only place I can get it..08:42
penguin42xtnknight: Tha'ts pretty damn odd08:42
jpmitchellxtknight, Chunk size is always settable. I do not know what you mean by alternate though..08:42
xtknightjpmitchell, alternate cd?08:43
ubotuThe Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal08:43
xtknightcant do RAID in graphical still, right?08:43
xtknightpenguin42, well ya Adlai was having similar library .so problems that i was having.  just different corrupt ones than me.  although i think i had libgcj corrupt too as well.  both amd64/nvidia08:43
penguin42xtknight: Were those libgklayout.so's all copied out of usr/lib/firefox/components ?08:43
xtknightpenguin42, yup08:44
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jpmitchellxtknight, Ah, I see. You where two short in your reference. I do not know the installer well enought to know. Your OS should go on a mirror anyway, and then your data that needs throughput some place else..08:44
xtknightpenguin42, all at one point08:44
penguin42xtknight: Weird.08:44
xtknightjpmitchell, considering OS is replaceable i would have put that on the raid0 actually08:44
jpmitchellMaybe someone knows where I can get .20.2 of mythtv for feisty?08:44
jpmitchellxtknight, Well different strokes for different folks. Just depends on your needs.08:44
xtknightright now i have / and /home on 3 drive RAID0s though08:45
penguin42xtknight: xtknight: Thre seem to be libgklayout.so's supplied with lots of the mozilla family that live in different directories (e.g. subird puts one in usr/lib/sunbird/components/libgklayout.so)08:45
jpmitchellxtknight, In general you want to seperate the OS jitter from the data I/O.08:45
xtknightpenguin42, ah08:45
gnomefreakjpmitchell: feisty support is in #ubuntu08:45
jpmitchellxtknight, This is a bit off topic for this channel, maybe a private channel then?08:46
penguin42xtknight: Which makes me wonder whether what you are seeing is a set of layouts from a different mozilla component somehow got into the wrong place08:46
jpmitchellgnomefreak, I know..08:46
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xtknightjpmitchell, off topic?  i dont think08:46
jpmitchellxtknight, Our data layout conversation I mean...08:46
xtknightpenguin42, i can check my other .so in the Epiphany and Granparadiso dirs08:46
xtknightjpmitchell, well i'm still busy tweaking around with it.  i will try to isolate the paging and the root from the other most-accessed data08:47
gnomefreakxtknight: you might not like wha tyou find08:47
gnomefreakxtknight: there s abit of an issue with gp and plugins08:47
penguin42xtknight: You haven't got a mozilla.org firefox installed have you as well as the ubuntu packaged ones?08:47
xtknightpenguin42, nope08:47
penguin42hmm, what about plugins?08:47
gnomefreakxtknight: what is the problem?08:47
xtknightBus error (core dumped)08:47
gnomefreakxtknight: yes thats known08:48
xtknightit is?08:48
gnomefreakxtknight: wait for the fix its comming08:48
xtknightah ok i didnt get any comments on Bug 13378608:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133786 in ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13378608:48
gnomefreakxtknight: yes very known08:48
penguin42anything with a command name that long deserves to segfault08:48
jpmitchellxtknight, Best thing to do is to run something like iozone on a single drive and find the fastest record size for I/O, and then make the chunk size a multiple of that.08:48
gnomefreakxkim working on it for PPA while we have 2 peopole wotking on it for gutsy08:49
xtknightgnomefreak, exact same problems with firefox and epiphany are knwon too?08:49
xtknightknown *08:49
gnomefreakxtknight: no unless you can grab a backtrace for firefox and epeiphany (willing to be libcario crash is back)08:49
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gnomefreakFF3 has a few different reasons to crash but if i had to guess you remove gp and your crashes will stop08:50
xtknighti installed firefox-dbg and did "gdb /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin" and "run" but didnt get anything worth looking at08:50
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xtknightjpmitchell, thx for the tips.  pretty happy with the performance now actually though :)08:50
xtknightprolly set chunk size to something giant for my virtual machines drives08:51
jpmitchellxtknight, Okay.. Then maybe you can send that third drive to me? :-)08:51
xtknightjpmitchell,  sure, if it fails.  ;P08:51
gnomefreakxtknight: run the commands here see what it gives you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/08:51
penguin42xtknight: You could always get a 4th drive and make RAID10 - that's nice on both speed and safety08:51
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xtknightwell 500gb sata for $110, who can pass that up?08:51
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xtknightgnomefreak, i'll look into it.  maybe.  it's probably the exact same problem so now i wont bother but if it has been fixed for gp i'll make sure epiphany/firefox dont have the issue08:52
gnomefreakxtknight: im gonna be in and out until monday see if removing gp and making a clean profile for ff and epip fixes things. if not leave me a message in #ubuntu-mozillateam as i will see it when i get back08:52
xtknightgnomefreak, thanks08:52
jpmitchellxtknight, Doh..08:52
gnomefreaki think i know what it is though :)08:52
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derblubbergudsy doesnt return from s3 suspend on my laptop. any hints on how to debug this?08:55
xtknightsure have heard a lot of suspend problems08:56
xtknightgutsy uses a new suspend system i think.  derblubber did it work on feisty?08:56
derblubberdidnt hear about that08:56
xtknightdon't quote me on it08:56
xtknighti thought they did away with uswsusp08:56
derblubberyes worked on feisty. wanted to track the problem but it dont know how to start08:56
xtknightdmesg ?08:56
xtknightor old dmesg in /var/log/klog.X08:57
derblubberdidnt find any errors in logs, but ill look again specially at kern.log okay08:57
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xtknightkern.log.1 probably09:00
xtknightthe number increases as you go back09:00
xtknightlast reboot was .1, next was .2 etc09:00
xtknightappears the higher ones are in gz files, just open them with file-roller (Archive manager)09:01
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derblubberill do that from console, but thanks09:01
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penguin42hmm that's a point09:03
penguin42When I resume from hibernate I get a 'failed to hibernate' message; but it looks like it has come back OK - is this known? (It also takes me to a web page that says it only has support for Fedora and something else)09:04
IntuitiveNipplederblubber: When you say it doesn't resume... do you literally mean it suspends but won't wake, or does it wake but not fully restore the working environment?09:04
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: Does that happen for all hibernations, or just short (in time) ones?09:05
derblubberit goes in suspend very fast. but when i wake it up screen stays black09:05
derblubberjust checking logs09:05
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: I've had it on about 2 out of 3 gutsy hibernations; all at least overnight09:05
IntuitiveNipplederblubber: okay, thats more encouraging :) there are several new issues with video not being re-activated, usually it is the backlight on LCD panels not turned back on.09:06
derblubberexactly it looks like that09:06
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: okay, just checking, because that messages is based on a comparison of hibernate/resume times09:06
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: It's a Toshiba Equium A100; other than the intel sound problem the only issue I know with it is that it has a slow battery drain while hibernated (which lots of people have reported)09:06
sitsderblubber: suspend issues eh?09:07
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: It's possible it came back with a flat battery - might that be relevant?09:07
sitsderblubber: caps lock still works but screen remains black?09:07
sitsderblubber: or does caps lock freeze up too?09:07
derblubberill try and looks give me 2 minutes09:07
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: There is a message on virtual console 1: kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot...    - yet all the apps are there that were there before the hibernate09:08
sitsderblubber: if it's the former welcome to the club. I'm going to try and guess that you're not using an Intel graphics card... so the odds say NVIDIA or ATI...09:08
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IntuitiveNipplederblubber: There's quite a few bug reports in launchpad, and workarounds, that might help you related to that general issue. It might be worth doing some searching (Google with "site:https://bugs.launchpad.net" as part of your search term is the best way)09:08
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: That is very weird lol09:09
IntuitiveNippleSo it's doing a telepathic resume then hehehehe09:09
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: I guess other people might have that message - I only noticed it because I did a ctrl-alt-F109:09
sitsderblubber: IntuitiveNipple is right. Suspend issues are not uncommon09:10
sitspenguin42: that makes sense09:10
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: Come to think of it, I may have seen that during some testing a week or two back... I'll check next week on my next round of kernel testing09:10
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sitsif that's AFTER a resume then that's the console framebuffer from when you first booted right?09:10
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: I did try one of the scripts at the website that it takes you to for debugging broken resume and it did say that my X server was configured wrongly because it has the driver set at i81009:11
IntuitiveNippleIt could be... I always log into the VTs though so they're clear or rather, full of 'crap' :)09:11
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: But that website is very .rpm based09:11
penguin42IntuitiveNipple: /dev/vcs* are nice09:11
IntuitiveNipplepenguin42: If the rest of your system is working fine...!09:11
penguin42hehe yes09:11
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IntuitiveNippleI'm pleased that Gutsy manages to successfully resume this laptop, which Feisty hasn't done. The only issue I've found so far is snd-hda-intel resuming in AC'97 mode, which is a biggy though09:12
IntuitiveNipplehmmm.. time I had a shower, else even the doggie isn't going to want to know me :p09:13
sitsIntuitiveNipple: does pulling up the module and putting it back after the sound is broken help?09:13
IntuitiveNipplegood luck with your sacrificial offerings, errr, alpha-testing :)09:13
IntuitiveNipplesits... unfortunately, not, grrrr09:14
IntuitiveNippleoh, hang on... I didn't do that test... I thought you meant a modprobe -r && modprobe after the fault :)09:14
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IntuitiveNippleI've been more focused on finding and fixing the bug in the modules09:15
sitsIntuitiveNipple: I think that's exactly what I meant : )09:15
penguin42anyone manged to get the media keys to work on recent Tosh laptops? They don't seem to generate key codes and they don't seem to have anything in ACPI for them09:15
sitsIntuitiveNipple: that's a pity that it can't reset the hardware when that happens09:15
Carroarmato0Hey! Tracker does an excelent job at finding my porn! I'll never be lonely anymore ;)09:16
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arooni__hey everyone;  did anyone install the latest updates and find that gnome got messed up?  (volume controls on my laptop don't work, gnome themes are a bit missed up)09:23
xtknightarooni__,  seems fine to me.  just different logout button09:23
xtknighti did get a 404 error on d/ling gnome-themes update but it went eventually09:23
arooni__xtknight, yah mine is mussed up09:23
xtknighter gnome-icons09:23
penguin42hmm I haven't rebooted since the update; but it seems OK09:24
xtknightarooni__, does your sound work?09:24
xtknight( i have rebooted)09:24
arooni__xtknight, my sound does work yes09:24
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xtknightarooni__, does the volume control in the upper right work?09:24
xtknightya i liked the old icon better ;P09:24
penguin42I guess it maybe more obvious than the previous one09:24
arooni__xtknight, yes09:24
xtknightarooni__, what does "asoundconf list" report, and what is the primary audio controller?09:25
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arooni__xtknight, Intel09:25
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xtknightarooni__, that's your only adapter right?09:26
arooni__xtknight, yes i belive so09:26
xtknightwhat happens when you press the keyboard volume up?  absolutely nothing?09:26
sitsthank goodness. The crackling in rhythmbox is a known issue09:26
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xtknightarooni__, Intel is the only one reported in asoundconf list, that is?09:26
arooni__xtknight, right09:26
arooni__xtknight, pushing volume up/down does onthing09:27
xtknightarooni__, is it mapped in gnome-keybinding-properties09:27
arooni__xtknight, it was before; where do i check that mapping?09:27
xtknightgnome-keybinding-properties from console09:27
penguin42xtnight: The nice thing about intel sound cards is that they are common enough so that if it is broken enough people will be affected that it is likely to get fixed reasonably quickly!09:27
SeveredCrossWoot, fixed Gstreamer.09:27
xtknightpenguin42, indeed09:28
arooni__Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.09:28
arooni__Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager.09:28
xtknightdeeper problems, i suppose09:28
arooni__yaps :(09:28
xtknighttry reboot?09:28
arooni__ok dokes09:29
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xero9364Gnome stopped working entirely after I installed Gutsy.09:29
SeveredCrossCan't log in?09:29
xero9364I'm on an NVidia Geforce4 MX4000 128MB and have had the card working for 2 months09:29
xero9364I can log in, but GNOME does not start at all.09:30
xero9364Only the Ubuntu colors and no error message shows up09:30
sitsxero9364: what does your Xorg.0.log say?09:30
xero9364Xorg starts fine....09:30
sitsoh GNOME fails?09:30
xero9364GDM starts fine.09:30
IntuitiveNipplexero9364: That sounds familiar - just I can't remember what issue it was now!09:30
xero9364I have to use failsafe terminal to log in09:30
sitshmm broken resolver?09:31
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sitsis your /etc/resolv.conf set correctly ?09:31
xero9364I can't really check at risk of a black window bug...09:31
sitsxero9364: check on your...09:32
sitsoh well09:32
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hydrogenWhy do I no longer have a session dbus in gutsy?09:32
hydrogenit appears dbus-launch disappeared?09:33
Infectowhere can i enable bitmap font config?09:33
Infectodpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig09:33
Infectoi try this but its dont work09:33
xero9364dbus-launch is gone and my resolv.conf says "nameserver"09:33
xero9364That's all it says.09:33
hydrogenso uhh09:33
hydrogenwhat replaces dbus-launch?09:33
sitsxero9364: that sounds broadly right. And you have a working network connection?09:34
xero9364Well, GNOME can't see it.09:34
xero9364I use it.09:34
xero9364I do, indeed have a working network connection.09:34
sitsxero9364: ok lets scratch that idea (the only different between your resolv and mine is I have a search localdomain but that's it)09:34
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xero9364KDE won't log in either09:35
penguin42hmm the world seems to have gained an /etc/resolvconf directory09:35
sitsxero9364: what's in your ~/.xession-errors ...09:35
Infectoit dont ask me about enabling bitmap fonts09:35
sitsxero9364: KDE isn't set to use compiz or anything like that is it?09:35
hyljesits: xsession09:35
xero9364I can't get a very good way of doing this, since I can't copy.09:36
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sitshylje: thank you09:36
xero9364It says it refuses to initialize GTK+09:36
sitsxero9364: because of setuid issues?09:36
xero9364Something about setuid/setgid09:36
sitsanything after that?09:36
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sits(just mention highlights)09:37
xero9364Nothing important.09:37
sits(don't try and copy and paste)09:37
xero9364Just normal running messages.09:37
sitsxero9364: any mention of esd or anything else?09:37
xero9364It mentions some pids09:37
xero936415025 and 1502909:37
sitsxero9364: hmm ok. And KDE doesn't start too. Hmm.09:38
sitsxero9364: what happens when you tried to start KDE?09:38
sitsxero9364: an error message?09:38
xero9364I can't check.09:38
xero9364?No error message at all.09:38
sitsxero9364: hmm09:38
sitsxero9364: and GNOME is the same?09:38
sitsxero9364: no error message?09:38
xero9364No errmsg.09:38
sitsxero9364: dmesg | tail09:39
sitsxero9364: anything serious mentioned?09:39
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sitsxero9364: mount09:39
sitsxero9364: your home partition is mounted rw ?09:39
sitsxero9364: (or / if you have no /home)09:39
xero9364I use a 2 partition scheme (/ and swap)09:39
xero9364I don't know of any problems with my fs recently.09:40
sitsxero9364: cat /proc/mount09:40
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xero9364no such file or dir09:40
sitsxero9364: you have space left on your partition?09:40
sitsxero9364: cat /proc/mounts09:41
sitsxero9364: df -h will tell you about space09:41
xero936451 GBytes available09:41
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sitsxero9364: home directory is writeable by you?09:42
penguin42try creating a new user and see if that user can login?09:42
sitspenguin42: good idea09:42
sitsxero9364: useradd -m and passwd are useful at this stage09:42
xero9364I did.09:43
xero9364Okay. I'm going to leave for a minute.09:43
xero9364Restarting X09:43
Infectosome one can tell me where the hell is this package?09:43
sitsInfecto: sounds old09:44
penguin42it's not in apt-cache search09:44
sitsInfecto: perhaps it comes from something other than Ubuntu09:44
Infectosits: ok, it even can be old :) but ho can i enable bitmaps in konsoele?09:44
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unique__i have a quick question where is the Screen & Graphics control panel ? in gutsy09:45
xeroNew user can't use GNOME, but can use Failsafe GNOME09:45
xtknightunique__, system->administration09:46
xtknightaka displayconfig-gtk09:46
sitsxero: any upgrade issues?09:46
xerosits: No. Only a small one with openoffice.org, which I fixed.09:46
sitsxero: any manual installs?09:47
sitsxero: you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?09:47
unique__it cant be ran off the kde environment?09:47
xerosits: Yes.09:47
sitsxero: dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop | grep ii09:47
lucasvohow can I change the default encoding in the gnometerm?09:48
sitsxero: /etc/hosts file is correct?09:48
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sitslucasvo: I think it tries to match that of your shell09:49
xerosits: Yes09:49
sitsxero: you have and in there?09:50
xeronot 0.0.209:50
sitshang on09:50
xeroand 127.0/0/109:50
lucasvosits: ok, so I have to change my locale of the shell?09:50
xero127.0.0.1 and
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sitslucasvo: well before you go that far (and I think you'd have to change your sytems default locale) why are you trying to change it?09:51
sitsxero: sounds good09:52
sitsxero: and the machine name returned by hostname is in your /etc/hosts file?09:52
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sitsxero: you did a fresh boot and this happened?09:53
xeroFresh boot into Gutsy upgraded from Feisty09:53
sitsxero: according to top no process is busy when the hanging happens?09:54
xeroThey're all dead.09:54
sitsxero: which graphics driver?09:54
xeroNo nautilus, gnome-panel, vino, anything shows up in top09:54
xeroNVidia proprietary.09:54
sitsxero: hmm09:54
sitsxero: what happens if you switch to nv?09:54
xeroI think last time I tried nv the X server wouldn't start.09:55
sits(I'm just curious. It should hang again)09:55
sitsxero: ok switch to vesa?09:55
sits(if you're worried about nv)09:55
sitsxero: (I'm assuming you are capable of using)09:55
xeroRestarting X09:56
sitsxero: (a console to edit xorg.conf)09:56
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xeroSame thing.09:57
xeroCrashy Crash McCrash to the max with no evidence09:57
sitsxero: and top doesn't show any process just hanging about09:58
sitsif you look at pstree what was the last thing launched?09:58
xeroThis user can log into Failsafe but the other can't.09:58
sitsfrom gdm09:58
sitsxero: does pstree say anything was launched from gdm?09:59
xeroIt all shows up there.09:59
xeroBrb again09:59
xeroTrying something09:59
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xeroWhen I try to log into GNOME on the other account the last thing launched was ssh-agent10:00
arooni__i can't play .mpg files10:01
AdlaiOn my homebuild system, I have a strange problem, that seems to be as if the power button keeps getting pressed repeatedly (about as fast as it could theoretically be triggered)10:01
arooni__whats up with that...?  totem dies10:01
xerototem-xine or totem-gstreamer?10:01
Adlaignome won't stop asking me to shut down, and a popup notification tells me something about a "policy timeout"10:01
sitsarooni__: try turning off desktop effects...10:01
Adlaiafter a while, X becomes completely unresponsive (and I can't launch applications other than preferences apps anyway)10:02
arooni__i like desktop effects :(10:02
sitsarooni__: this is to check10:02
Adlaidoes anyone know what this might be?10:02
sitsarooni__: totem still crashes?10:02
crimsunAdlai: acpi problems, more than likely.10:03
sitsxero: hmm10:03
xeroAre we getting close to knowing what the problem is now?10:03
sitsxero: I just can shake this feeling that either a needed service isn't running or it's a network issue10:03
xeroNot because I'm impatient. Just thought I might ask.10:03
xeroHere's my line:10:04
sitsxero: I can't tell. I think that this could be something that has me guessing for a very long time. If you need to try something else please do so because right now unless I could see an strace of the last thing launched then I'm not going to come up with any bright ideas10:04
xero127.0.1.1 localhost ubuntu10:04
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xeroi have
sitspenguin42: same here, fresh install10:05
xeroSo I should change that?10:05
sitsxero: it shouldn't hurt10:05
xeroChanged it to ubuntu (since I guessed davros is your computer name)10:06
sitsbut it seems far fetched since both should go across the loopback10:06
sitsthere's though..10:06
xeroNothing happened from that idea.10:06
sitsxero: ifconfig lo10:06
sitsdoes that print anything?10:07
xtknightarooni__, uhh Bug 122979 maybe?10:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122979 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[aiglx] [intel] [r300]  Video playback is buggy under Compiz" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12297910:07
xeroNothing out of the ordinary, but it prints stuff.10:07
xeroRX packets: 537 errors: 0 dropped 010:07
xerosame with TX packets10:07
xerosame amt10:07
sitsanything at the end of your Xorg.0.log ?10:08
sitsxero: and what's the output of ps auxw | grep dbus10:09
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xerodbus-daemon, x session manager, repeat those a few times10:10
xeroStill cant cut/copy/paste. Sorry.10:10
sitsxero: that's ok10:11
xeroAh crap. To make my day worse, now my knee hurts like heck10:11
sitshow many dbus daemons?10:11
xero3 of them10:11
sitsok try and reboot10:11
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xeroI'm going to recompile my nvidia driver to make sure that isn't it.10:12
sitsxero: it can't be10:12
sitsxero: but I didn't know you were using a manual install...10:13
xeroI was using an NVidia binary blob10:13
sitsxero: there's the packaged version too10:13
sitsxero: it's not always obvious who is using what10:13
xeroOH BOY here we go10:14
sitsxero: the other user you made earlier... was that a completely just made user?10:14
xerofile '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link10:14
xerosits: Yes.10:14
sitsxero: hmm OK looks like I was completely wide of the mark then10:14
sitsxero: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual10:15
xeroHmm for once I was partially right about something.10:15
sitsxero: if it turns out to be due to broken NVIDIA drivers10:15
xeroI'm recompiling it right now. It won't be broken after that.10:15
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sitsxero: I really wish I could have seen your Xorg.0.log now10:16
sitsbut it seems strange that the vesa and nv Xs would start10:17
sitsand then go on to hang10:17
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sitsnormally broken GL libraries don't manifest themselves until you try and run something 3D related10:18
penguin42sits: Unless you have compiz on?10:18
sitsand if you are using the vesa or nv driver all 3D should have been disabled10:18
sitspenguin42: xero said an attempt to run KDE also failed10:18
sitsI guess KDE could have had its WM set to compiz but I wasn't counting on that10:18
sitsif it was just GNOME I could understand10:19
sitspenguin42: you live and learn10:19
penguin42are these drivers really 3D only - I know some of the ATI stuff also takes over the 2D stuff10:19
xeroI don't start WMs until after the normal sessions10:19
sitspenguin42: different drivers can accelerate different things but generally you don't need to overwrite existing libraries to do so in things that aren't 3D10:20
xeroMetacity/KWin excluded from that of course.10:20
xeroBeryl is set up to start after Metacity.10:20
sitsxero: what about on the KDE side?10:20
xeroI installed KDE to check if it worked.10:20
xeroI have no configuration for it.10:20
sitsOK so that should have just default to KWin10:21
sits(assuming that hadn't been disabled by another configuration)10:21
xeroIt's either Metacity or KWin because Beryl is set up to start in GNOME after the normal session10:21
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sitsxero: how did you set the beryl side of things up?10:22
xeroI got it from Trevino's Edgy repo.10:23
sits3rd party repos and a manual install. That not a simple combination...10:25
xeroNVidia driver wasn't exactly manual. It was from a binary.10:25
xeroIt still wasn't from Canonical, though.10:26
sitsxero: sure it's but it wasn't from Ubuntu10:26
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sitsxero: did you use the .pkg ?10:26
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sitsOK it would have existed outside of the package manager10:27
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sitsxero: how long to go until you fix your problem then?10:29
Adlaicrimsun: you know how I can get more information?10:29
xerosits: No idea.10:29
Adlaior, better, how to fix?10:29
sitsxero: it's still compiling?10:29
Adlaialso, I checked /var/log/messages10:29
xeroNo, it's compiled.10:29
xeroIt didn't work.,10:29
sitsxero: dang...10:30
Adlaigot the following:10:30
AdlaiSep  1 16:24:23 skynet gnome-power-manager: (leif) GNOME interactive logout because the power button has been pressed10:30
AdlaiSep  1 16:24:27 skynet last message repeated 335 times10:30
sitsxero: I was hoping that was going to be it as I wouldn't have guessed that10:30
Adlailots of that, sometimes it said it repeated up to 3500 times10:30
sitsAdlai: you can probably temporarily killall gnome-power-manager10:30
Adlaidoesn't seem to help10:31
sitsAdlai: good grief10:31
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sitsAdlai: that should have provided some relief10:31
Adlaiwell, it stops pinging me with shutdown messages10:31
sitsAdlai: but when it's started again back to square one?10:31
Adlaioh, yeah10:31
xeroOH holy crap. It's gonna say the power button was pressed and shut you down in a minute, i think.10:31
xeroWithout gnome power manager, i think there's the acpi module/kernel part that won't ask to shutdown. It just does it.10:32
sitsxero: nah you can survive without gpm10:32
Adlaiwell it doesn't shut right down10:32
sits(or rather g-p-m because gpm is a different program entirely)10:32
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Adlaiif I kill g-p-m and then actually hit the power button, it shuts off10:32
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xerolol I'm sitting here angry but happy at the same time.10:33
xeroI'm hacking Pokemon Blue.10:33
sitsbut you want it running (especially on laptops) because it does Good Stuff10:33
Adlaithere's still some strange problem where applications just don't start at all10:33
sitsxero: the only other thing that springs to mind is that there's something unusual in your X startup scripts10:34
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Adlainormally I'd think it's because it's development, but this is kind of late for such a monumental bug10:34
xeroWhich ones?10:34
Adlaipossibly the system is just getting overloaded with shutdown commands somehow10:35
sitsxero: but they would have to be system ones to hit a new user too10:35
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sitsxero: what's in /etc/X11/Xsession.d10:35
xerognome session gnomerc10:36
sits(this is where it would be handy to have RPMs always available checking facility)10:36
xeroXserver xgl start server...10:36
xeroI do not have Xgl.10:36
sitsXGL start?10:36
sitsxero: don't delete it just yet10:37
xeroUhhh there might be a problem there...10:37
xeroI already did...10:37
sitsdpkg -S <nameofthinghere>10:37
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Dekkarddid the latest updates do anything wierd to X ?10:39
sitsDekkard: weird like what? : )10:39
Dekkardwierd like now my screen redraws horribly10:39
SeveredCrossI think VESA was messed with in the latest round of X updates.10:39
sitsDekkard: which graphics driver?10:39
penguin42horribly wrong or horribly slowly?10:39
Dekkardhorribly slowly10:39
Dekkardlike molasses10:40
sits(check xorg.conf if needs be)10:40
sitsDekkard: and are you using desktop effects?10:40
Dekkardnope.. i cant.. i have an integrated vid card10:40
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sitsDekkard: lspci | grep vga10:40
sitsDekkard: what does that say?10:40
Dekkardnot a thing10:41
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sitsDekkard: lspci | grep -i vga10:41
sitsDekkard: how's about that?10:41
zerwasWill Xorg 7.3 make it in Gutsy?10:41
SeveredCrosszerwas: No idea yet.10:41
SeveredCrossProbably not.10:42
Dekkard01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)10:42
SeveredCrossBecause I think we're past the Upstream Package Freeze10:42
sitsDekkard: ooo and SiS10:42
sitsSeveredCross: which version does Gutsy have?10:42
SeveredCrossH/o, I'll check.10:42
zerwasSeveas, too sad :-(10:42
zerwasSeveredCross, too sad :-(10:42
SeveredCross7.2-5ubuntu7 is what's in Gutsy.10:43
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Dekkardits never been this bad before.. and on top of it.. im using fluxbox right now becasue with gnome.. tis just totally borked10:43
SeveredCrossI'm reasonably sure 7.3 won't be in, but don't quote me on it.10:43
sitsSeveredCross: you'll have to take my word for it10:43
sitsSeveredCross: but it's not far off what 7.3 will be10:44
Dekkardshould i dpkg reconfigure xserver x.org ?10:44
SeveredCrosssits: Huh?10:44
sitsSeveredCross: it already has xrandr 1.4 in it10:44
SeveredCrossIn any case, if Xorg 7.3 doesn't make it in, i don't think it will be backported but will be in the next version.10:44
sitsso I believe it's a prerelease of 7.310:44
SeveredCrossWell, X is modular.10:44
xeroYeah. My situation is worse than either unwanted porn or crappy wanted porn10:44
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SeveredCrossSo xrandr and things like that can be from 7.3 without X itself being 7.310:45
derblubberjust for the protocol: apt just gave me updates to acpi and something and now my S3 works (compaq presario x1000)10:45
sitsSeveredCross: you call it 7.3 when it's finally released10:45
treitterif I've got an i945GM, which setup is preferred in Gutsy and beyond?: i810 driver + 915resolution, or "intel" driver?10:45
SeveredCrossTry the intel driver, it's supposed to work fine.10:46
treitterSeveredCross: it seems to work fine except that video is broken under Compiz10:46
SeveredCrossMust be something with the overlays.10:46
treitter(I know it's been reported, but some bugs for that seem to be reported as Fixed, but it isn't..)10:46
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sitsSeveredCross: what Gutsy has (I *think*) is a prerelease10:46
treitterSeveredCross: yeah. It doesn't happen if the gstreamer video output is Xv10:47
SeveredCrossYeah, the Xv extension is known not to work I think.10:47
SeveredCrossIf you set it to X11 it works fine.10:47
xeroWhat's good about Xv?10:48
xeroI see no difference in Xv and X11 video.10:48
sitsDekkard: you would have to check the changelogs to see what changed. I don't think SiS cards have 3D so that side of things shouldn't impact you...10:48
SeveredCrossI think Xv can do overlays and other fancy stuff X11 can't.10:48
sitsxero: what SeveredCross said10:48
xeroNever noticed it with Beryl.10:48
sitsXShm is interesting but xv tends to be hardware accelerated10:48
xeroVideos wobble fine for me without Xv10:48
sitsxero: that's tricky. That depends on the drivers10:48
treitterer - yeah. I meant it works if you _don't_ set allow Xv10:49
treitterXv also does upscaling, etc., it looks like10:49
sitssome drivers (e.g. NVIDIA) can still provide and accelerate xv under AIGLX10:49
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treitterwith it turned off, all my videos look really pixelated10:49
SeveredCrossX11 looks the same as Xv to me.10:50
sitsX11 often looks a bit more pixelated10:50
xeroOnce again I can easily say that I saw no difference.10:50
SeveredCrossI'm using X11 right know, it lokos a little blurry due to Compiz and having the blur windows effect enabled, but otherwise perfect.10:51
sitsbecause you aren't doing hypercubicmega scaling on things10:51
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SeveredCrossOh, good call.10:51
sitsbut you only tend to notice when you makes things bigger than their native size10:51
xeroI resized a widescreen to 4:3 fullscreen.10:51
xeroNo difference10:51
treitteryeah - I'm sure if I viewed them at their regular sizes, it'd look the same for both10:51
moraanyone know if they updated iwl4965 to 1.0.0.* in gutsy latest yet?10:52
SeveredCrossI can't even seem to use iwl349510:52
sitsmora: driver is there but10:52
SeveredCrossI can't figure out how.10:52
moraim using iwl4965 and it works ok most of the time. but i suspect it's not the latest version (or rather, I hope). Is there a way to find out what version is included?10:53
sitsmora: oh I see10:53
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sitsmora: check git would be my advice10:53
moraok, thanks. i'll give it a try10:54
sitsmora: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary10:56
SeveredCrossHow does one actually use iwl instead of ipw?10:56
sitsxero: still broken?10:57
xeroI can use Failsafe on the one account.10:58
sitsxero: what happens if you try and use it on the other?10:58
xeroNothing at all.10:58
xeroSame as GNOME normal.10:58
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morasits: thanks for the tip. seems they updated it to 1.0.0-1 15 aug.10:59
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xeroWhere does GNOME keep saved sessions?11:00
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SeveredCrossWarning, running ext2fsck on a mounted filesystem migght cause severe damage. Are you sure you wanna proceed?11:00
xerolol SeveredCross11:00
xerofsck /media/SeveredCross11:01
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Utnubuhi all11:01
SeveredCrossI'm mounted readwrite, you might cause damage.11:01
xeroYes, I'm sure I want to proceed, causing SEVERE damage to /mnt/SeveredCross11:01
UtnubuHas somebody the same problem that the pc resumes with gdm after standby?11:01
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xero./bangmom /usr/bin/SeveredCross; laugh11:05
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sitsxero: they are normally packed away into a metacity directory. Other pieces might be in .gconf11:06
xeroOkay. Where is the metacity directory?11:06
sitsxero: typically11:06
sitsbut I don't think that will resolve the issue11:07
xeroFound the sessions and rm -rf'd them.11:07
sitsas you are stuck on a completely brand new user11:07
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xeroOther account can run Failsafe now.11:07
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sitsthat makes sense11:07
sitsbut it must be some sort of system issue to hang both users on a regular log in11:08
xeroAt least we made some kind of progress.11:09
moraanyone using bluetooth-alsa?11:09
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sitsxero: have you tried using startx -- :211:09
sitsxero: on a console as a regular user? Does that just hang too?11:09
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xeroMakes the GNOME sound and hangs.11:09
xeroThere was no GNOME sound before.11:10
sitsmy guesses are all wrong but I think it might be a session thing11:10
xeroThe xsession file for it just uses gnome-session11:10
sitsyou had stuff which was unusual in your Xsession.d directory11:11
sitsI can only think that this is a hang over from a 3rd party repository11:11
sitsI wanted to msg you the contents of that dir but I got no reply11:11
sitsin your failsafe terminal11:12
sitswhat happens if you try and run /usr/bin/gnome-session ?11:12
sits(this should hang)11:12
xeroGNOME sound, hang11:13
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sitscan you kill it off11:13
sitsxero: now can you run it using strace11:13
sitsthis should generate a lot of spew11:13
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n0ydAnyone that uses AWN know how to change the icon on the trash  applet?11:13
sitsstrace -f /usr/bin/gnome-session11:13
sitsstuff should fly by11:14
sitsbut hopefully the last bit will give you clue11:14
xerohang at poll(11:14
sitsok what's the lead up to that?11:14
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xerosocket, connect, unimportant stuff, gettimeofday, close, poll(. HANG11:15
GoodHabitHello. How I can update my Kubuntu feisty to Gutsy version?11:15
xeroI wouldn't recommend doing that.11:15
xeroMy Ubuntu is broken from it.11:16
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GoodHabitVery broken?11:16
xeroGNOME is broken11:16
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GoodHabitI have not gnome.11:16
GoodHabitftoo_on_gutsy: Sorry?11:16
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xeroXGL gets installed and breaks KDE, GNOME, and lots of other stuff if you don't use it.11:17
ftoo_on_gutsyi recommend a fresh install....11:17
sitsxero: ps auxw | grep [h] al | wc -l11:17
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sitsGoodHabit: to be fair I would ask "Do you have any manually installed stuff or 3rd party repos?"11:17
jsomersif you don't use any special third-party repo's for beryl, automatix, ... upgrading should work just fine11:17
xeroreturns 711:17
sitsif you do expect a bump ride11:17
TerraMasterhow do I set ownership of a file?11:18
xeroI dont use automatix but i used Trevino Edgy.11:18
xerochown username file11:18
TerraMasterthank you\11:18
xeroyer welkum11:18
GoodHabitI am using only ubuntu-repo soft.11:18
sitsxero: what happens if you do11:19
xeroIf I use XGL i get white screen with beryl, and if I don't I cant log in to GNOME.11:19
sitsxero: host ubuntu ?11:19
GoodHabitAnother question - when gutsy releases, what is the way to update?11:19
xeroShould I reinstall XGL and try to fix the WSOD?11:19
GoodHabitHow to make "clean" update?11:20
sitsxero: no11:20
GoodHabitOr better re-install gutsy from gutsy cd?11:20
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sitsGoodHabit: if you ever have the choice do a fresh install11:20
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jsomersit's always preffered11:20
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jsomersthe tribe cd should work11:20
sitsGoodHabit: (this goes for anything)11:20
DanaGThat's odd:11:20
jsomersand then slowly update to upstream11:21
GoodHabitsits: Sorry, what is fresh install?11:21
DanaGbrowsing gmail in Firefox, I get the little name tooltips in threads hanging ON TOP of my scrollbar.11:21
DanaGOutside the content area!11:21
xeroI have no important data on this computer.11:21
sitsGoodHabit: oh sorry when you said CD I didn't realise you meant update from the CD11:21
xeroShould I just go ahead and format for Gutsy?11:21
sitsxero: I would love to know what the matter is11:21
sitsxero: but at this stage I have to admit it would have been faster. I don't know what those 3rd party repos and manual installs did though11:22
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sitsthe fact it is hanging on a poll still makes me think that a particular device hasn't been set up properly11:22
xeroIf you are ok with it, I think that's what I'll do11:22
sitsxero: give me a few more thinking time minutes11:22
sitsxero: what's the result of host ubuntu?11:23
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xeroHost ubuntu not found11:23
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sitsxero: host google.com11:23
xerogoogle.com has 3 addreses and 3 mails11:23
xero4 mails11:23
sitsxero: host localhost11:23
xerohost localhost not found11:24
sitsgood grief11:24
xeroOh boy oh boy oh boy11:24
penguin42sits: For reference host localhost and host mymachine   don't work11:24
sitspenguin42: that's somewhat interesting but still11:24
bluedtype "host localhost."11:24
penguin42sits: Because I have a search domain in my resolv.conf11:24
sitsxero: what happens if you add the following line to the top of your resolv.conf11:25
sitsxero: search localdomain11:25
TheInfinityhas someone gnome here and can test something for me?11:26
sitsTheInfinity: don't ask if you can ask, ask : )11:26
TheInfinitycan you try to print www.spiegel.de via firefox or ef.<whatever>  in a postscript?11:26
sitsxero: are you there11:27
TheInfinityvia ff internal postscript function?11:27
TheInfinityit should crash ;)11:27
penguin42sure - is print to file ok ?11:27
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sitsTheInfinity: ah I see hang on11:27
TheInfinitybut in the bug report someone asked about mnake this with gnome11:27
TerraMasterAre there any wildcards?11:27
TheInfinitybecause i test kubuntu11:27
TheInfinityyou have gnome and it hangs?11:28
sitsTheInfinity: print to file?11:28
TheInfinityprint to postscript file11:28
TheInfinitythe PostScript default printer11:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wildcard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:28
sitsxero: hello?11:28
sitsxero: where were you up to?11:29
penguin42TheInfinity: It seems to have hung11:29
xeroi was looking at food11:29
sitsTheInfinity: maxing out a core11:29
TheInfinityok. same as in kubuntu.11:29
xeroim about to eat11:29
sitsxero: did the host thing get any better?11:29
xerosearch: command not found11:29
TheInfinityand you both have gnome?11:29
penguin42I do have KDE stuff installed as well though11:29
penguin42I'm in a GNOME session11:29
sitsxero: oh I meant edit resolv.conf and add search localdomain at the top11:29
sitsTheInfinity: yes GNOME here11:29
TheInfinityokay. thanks.11:30
xeroLocalhost shows up now11:30
xeroubuntu doesn't11:30
sitsxero: and what does hostname print?11:30
penguin42TheInfinity: Seems to be in libgklayout.so11:30
TheInfinityhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/131793 <-- here ;)11:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131793 in firefox "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete] 11:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wildcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:30
xerohostname prints "ubuntu"11:30
sitsxero: can you try relogging into GNOME?11:31
TerraMasterIs there any way to downgrade?11:31
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xeroI get a big gray window with nothing in it11:31
xeroIt appears to be an unreadable err message11:31
sitsxero: same as always?11:32
sitsxero: or different to usual?11:32
penguin42TerraMaster: You might be able to reverse indivudal packages but going back to the previous installation probably not11:32
xeroWhen I roll cursor over it, it turns into a text cursor11:32
xeroSlightly differemt11:32
sitsxero: hmm!11:32
sitsxero: sorry to drag it out like this but this is curious11:32
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xeroAt this point I'm seriously about to scream WHAT THE F**K11:33
sitsxero: what were the top to lines of your /etc/hosts ?11:33
penguin42feel free if it makes you feel better11:33
penguin42sits: Why do you think this is hostname related?11:33
xero127.0.0.1 localhost11:33
xero127.0.1.1 ubuntu11:33
Danniliongreat, my wireless doesn't work11:33
sitspenguin42: once upon a time I couldn't log into to GNOME after having some network issue and it turned out to be network related11:33
sitspenguin42: additionally the last thing seen was a poll11:34
sitsxero: ok next can you try your new user?11:34
penguin42sits: I once had that a long time ago when an applet needed network (dict)11:34
xeroHoly crap!11:34
xeroIt worked!11:34
sitspenguin42: you often see it with gnome-panel and the like11:34
TheInfinitypenguin42: ... hmm ... how do i find out which *.so hangs? :h)11:35
sitsxero: ok your other problem is a down to that session11:35
sitsxero: yeah sure. Nice way to keep the spirits up11:35
sitsxero: what does the grey box say?11:35
penguin42TheInfinity: I attached to the firefox process with gdb and did a backtrace11:35
xeroThe grey box says nothing.11:35
sitssee I knew it11:35
xeroThere are indications there is supposed to be text in it though.11:35
sitsxero: false hope on the new user account too11:36
finalbetaI can no longer unmount an external usb drive, it's supposedly in use... How can I see what's keeping it from being unmounted?11:36
sitsfinalbeta: ooo lsof or fuser are useful11:36
TheInfinitypenguin42: ah. didnt know this ... thanks :)11:36
penguin42TheInfinity: just start gdb with no arguments, when it gets a gdb prompt then type     attach xxxx where xxxx is the pid11:37
sitsxero: that grey box11:37
xeroWell now that i have a working user account, I can maybe take the settings from the old one and use them11:37
sitsxero: I think that is down to a broken session11:37
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sitsxero: I check whether you have a .gnomerc file11:37
penguin42xero: Or just move all your . files in your originakl user into a faulty directory11:38
xeroNo .gnomerc11:38
sitsxero: and whether (after logging out and stopping any user processes)11:38
sitsxero: doing something like11:38
sitsmv .gconf .gconf.bak11:38
sitsI'd also check whether you have a .xinitrc file11:38
xerono xinitrc11:39
xeroOn old user: GNOME sound, processor noises from tower, HANG11:39
sitsxero: interesting11:39
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sitsxero: and you moved aside the old .gconf ?11:40
penguin42move all your .gnome*11:40
sitsxero: what is in .xession-errors now?11:40
sitspenguin42: good idea11:40
xerosetuid/setgid problems, refuse gtk+11:40
sitsxero: towards the end?11:41
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xeroStart and end11:41
xeroIt's a very short file11:41
xeroAll of it is seen with no scrolling.11:41
sitsand you still see that grey box?11:42
xeroOne second.11:42
xeroNo grey box.11:42
xeroSolid tannish color11:43
penguin42xero: When it is in the hung state; use ctrl-alt-f1 to go to the console then do   xlsclients -display :011:43
xeroVery ubuntu-like11:43
sitsand you normally have a picture?11:43
penguin42xero: That should tell you all the things currently running11:43
sitspenguin42: hey that's new to me11:43
xerognome-session gnome-screensaver gnome-settings-daemon seahorse-agent11:44
xeroThose 4 are the only things running11:44
penguin42xero: (or just move all the . files out of the way and continue your life!)11:44
sitsI didn't get you to move aside .gconfd11:45
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto11:45
xeroAll . files moved.11:45
xeroEverything still broked11:45
sitsxero: and you have no old processes lingering around?11:46
penguin42xero: All of your . files?11:46
xeroThere's a new one.11:47
xeroYep. ALL of my . files11:47
sitsxero: can you log out11:47
sitsthen as the target user on a console type killall -u targetuser11:47
penguin42xero: And delete any files in /tmp belonging to targetuser11:47
sitspenguin42: ahh good thinking11:48
sitsperhaps a reboot will be easiest11:48
sitsafter the files dotfiles are moved11:48
xeroLOL LOL LOL ultimate false hope of death11:49
xeroEverything started perfectly and then it got killed11:49
sitsxero: that's a bit more like it11:49
sitsxero: logging in again results in it dying again?11:50
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xeroThat fixed it11:51
penguin42hmm - I've noticed that a few times now; xchat-gnome giving me a busy cursor (watch) - but otherwise is fune11:51
sitsI'll have to bear this search domain business in mind11:52
sitsI always had a hunch not being able to find localhost had consequences but I never thought they could be so severe11:53
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penguin42sits: My gut feeling is that it is more related to it being on his box - but not sure where that has come from or why it would actually break things11:54
sitspenguin42: That's common these days11:55
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sitsI think that's down to support for mdns11:55
xeroRebooted to install a new kernel, set up my session, w00ted.11:55
sitsxero: hey thank you. You help me understand what the problem was11:55
sitsof course I should have just said reinstall but I'm curious like that11:55
penguin42sits: OK; I know I can't host localhost put I can ping it, so I don't think it was the resolv.conf11:56
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xeroWell you kept me from having to do an all nighter reinstall11:56
sitspenguin42: hmm11:56
xeroIt's not easy to replace 40GB of files11:56
sitsxero: just be careful. Those binary drivers can come back to hurt you at any time11:57
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sitspenguin42: any how cheers for the help11:58
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sitsxero: good luck (and think backups)11:58
sitsbye folks...11:58
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Dannilionhow do I find out what wireless card I have so I can try and fix the problem of it not being detected properly?12:01
xeroe/exec env12:03
Dannilionnm... found it12:03
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n0dding0ffWhy did wlan0 suddenly disappear from "Network."  It worked before when I had Gutsy Gibbon loaded, and then it suddenly disappeared.12:04
Utnubun0dding0ff: check your /etc/network/interfaces12:04
Dannilionmy eth1 (wireless) has also disappeared12:04
Utnubumy works fine12:05
n0dding0ffYeah, I only have my ethernet and modem connection.12:05
Dannilioneth1 is in my /etc/network/interfaces12:05
Dannilionbut is not coming up anywhere else12:05
Utnuburemove it or set it to auto12:05
n0dding0ffI can't really check my system right now.12:05
Utnubuno other entries12:05
Dannilionit is set to auto12:05
Utnubuonly lan connections make sense in interfaces and the lo of course12:06
Danniliononly ones in there are lan and lo12:06
Dannilion(if I remove eth0 I will lose the internet- not what I want right this second)12:06
Utnubuwith lan I mean wired network12:06
Utnubunetwork-manager recognizes the network cards without /etc/network/interfaces12:06
Dannilionknetworkmanager is not recognising the wireless12:07
Dannilion(which I guess means network-manager isn't)12:07
UtnubuNetworkmanager shows the connection if it isn't listed in interfaces or it is set to auto and dhcp afaik12:07
Dannilionit's currently set to auto12:08
Dannilionit's just disappeared12:08
Utnubuhm, could you post it in pastebin12:08
Dannilionbleh... I shall try a restart and see if that fixes it12:08
Utnububut maybe it is another problem12:08
DannilionI think it's another problem12:08
Utnubuyeah, a restart is always a good solution :)12:09
n0dding0ffUtnubu: Okay, I don't have an "interfaces" folder.12:10
xero9364Ubuntu+2 will be amazing.12:11
n0dding0ffOh, it's a file12:11
hydrogenfull of vapourware xero9364? :)12:11
xero9364Gutsy is already faaaar ahead of Vista/Leopard, so Gutsy+1 = HAPPY12:11
Utnubun0dding0ff: it is a file in network folder under etc12:11
Utnubuxero9364: Why?12:12
xero9364It looks better, it has -never- crashed on me or any of my friends who use it, and it has more apps than Mac12:12
n0dding0ffUtnubu: I just got that.  I seem to have that interface.12:12
xero9364It's also customizable down to the very kernel you run.12:12
xero9364Even the toughest problems are either patched in a week or manually fixed in a day or 212:13
Utnubuhm, ctrl + l doesn't work anymore with compiz12:13
Utnubuis there a workaround?12:13
Utnubuxero9364: it is easy to crash with intel driver12:13
Utnubuand standby12:13
xero9364It'll be fixed in a week.12:14
Utnubuthat s correct12:14
Utnubuin some cases it least but it is open12:14
xero9364Probably less than a week.12:14
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xero9364rm -rf /media/bugs; echo hooray12:20
penguin42xero9364: use && rather than ;12:20
gustavoldhi all I've updated from feisty to gutsy using update-manager... now all the fonts are big. Do you know what may has gone wrong?12:20
xero9364Why not ;?12:20
penguin42xero9364: That way you only echo hooray if the rm didn't error12:20
Dannilionreboot fixed wireless12:21
Dannilionthink everything is working again :p12:21
xero9364What about this?12:21
penguin42gustavold: I've not got that problem but I seem to remember someone else mentioning it12:21
xero9364If only it were that simple to remove bugs and make oneself happy.12:22
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n0dding0ffUtnubu: do you think my problem is an ndisnswrapper problem?12:25
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n0dding0ffI only have about twenty mintues left on this computer, so I need to really hurry.12:26
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xero9364Sorry bout the clone.12:34
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pat__can anyone help me with a problem with eternal lands?12:36
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XeroI forgot where the auto identify setup for XChat is.12:40
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Dannilionokay, now I fixed the sudo timestamp problem, I think everything is working :p12:42
XeroEverything's good here too.12:42
XeroCan't wait for October when this becomes official12:42
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XeroI still remember Flight 5.12:43
XeroKinda sucked (no offense)12:43
Dannilion(which one was flight 5 again?)12:44
XeroDapper alpha 512:44
Dannilionahh, dapper12:44
XeroDapper = Drake = Fly = Flight12:44
DannilionDapper was the first one I tested in alpha too12:44
XeroThey always do that kind of stuff.12:44
XeroAlpha name is relevant to release name12:44
Dannilionbrain no worky12:45
XeroWTF is an Eft, by the way?12:45
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XeroWhat is an eft12:45
XeroI know what a fawn a drake a gibbon a hedgehog a groundhog and all the others are, but what is an eft12:46
penguin42Xero: dict.org says it is the common newt12:46
XeroLol. A newt.12:46
penguin42there can't be that many animals that start with an 'e'12:46
XeroBut it was "Herd" in alpha wasn't it? Newts don't come in herds...12:46
Dannilionand next is heron12:46
penguin42and noone can spell echidna (?)12:47
XeroKnuckles, penguin4212:47
XeroThat's how I spell echidna12:47
penguin42hmm emu wouldn't be bad; I'm not sure elephant would be quite suitable12:47
Xeroelephant = bloated12:47
XeroEdgy = kewl. Eft = small and fast12:48
penguin42and obscure12:48
XeroEdgy Eft fits it perfectly.12:48
Dannilionheron's aren't obscure12:48
penguin42I never said they were, I was talking about Efts12:48
Dannilion(at least not here, where we see them occasionally)12:48
XeroI see an Eft under my porch sometimes. Appears to be the same one, too.12:49
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noah__FYI, pvmove (LVM) is broken on 2.6.22.. https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2007-September/msg00001.html12:50
Xeromv /dev/eft /porch/under12:51
XeroHey look. An eft under my porch.12:51
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