[01:50] <VWJ1bnR1> Will anything bad happen if I stop compiling my kernel?
[01:50] <VWJ1bnR1> You know...by killing the command?
[01:58] <JanC> VWJ1bnR1: nothing really bad should happen
[02:01] <VWJ1bnR1> JanC: but you wouldn't recommend it...
[02:08] <JanC> VWJ1bnR1: you might lose the work the compiler already did, but otherwise there shouldn't be any problems AFAIK
[02:09] <VWJ1bnR1> *whew*.  Thanks.
[02:15] <kousotu> BenC: how would I go about filing a bug report for this?
[02:15] <kousotu> and it affected more than just the sound, unfortunatly
[02:25] <kousotu> brb
[02:30] <BenC> kylem: current ubuntu-gutsy builds on amd64 and i386
[02:30] <BenC> had to fixup a foobar in the -rt patch
[02:30] <kylem> looks to be building on lpia as well
[02:30] <mjg59> Hrmph. gstreamer is still broken with the isight.
[03:46] <kousotu> BenC: can you help me run the AG5007EG wifi card under ndiswrapper?
[03:48] <zul__> BenC: is xen building for amd64 yet?
[04:26] <arooni> hey folks; i have a t61 with intel_hda sound card...  anyway i installed my alsa drivers from source then modrpobe'd intel_snd_hda.... and it worked; later i the upgrade bit...... and now it doesn't work any more :(
[04:26] <arooni> no sound card shows up
[04:27] <kylem> so reinstall it from source...
[04:28] <arooni> kylem, i have tried; did not work :(
[04:32] <kylem> ah, hrm, probably because it's now in lum
[04:32] <kylem> try rm -f /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[04:32] <kylem> and rebooting
[04:32] <kylem> we're working to fix it, but i imagine you'd like it working now.
[04:32] <kylem> :)
[04:35] <arooni> kylem, ;p
[04:35] <arooni> kylem, are you a dev for cannonical?
[04:35] <kylem> yeah.
[04:35] <arooni> sweet
[04:35] <arooni> i salute you
[04:35] <kylem> np.
[04:36] <arooni> i love love love ubuntu
[04:36] <arooni> i've killed all windows from my computers at home
[04:36] <arooni> kylem, should i file a  bug about this behavior?
[04:37] <arooni> kylem, should i go ahead and re install after deleting the *.ko file?
[04:39] <kylem> nah, you should just be able to run depmod and reboot and have it pick up the installed-from-source one.
[04:39] <kylem> hopefully by monday this will be fixed.
[04:42] <kousotu> kylem: do you know any good, easy tu use front-ends for WPA wi-fi?
[04:42] <kylem> network-manager
[04:44] <kousotu> the enbedded one?
[04:44] <kousotu> will it work well with ndiswrapper?
[04:44] <kylem> no idea.
[04:45] <kylem> it should, ndiswrapper implements wext at least semi-properly afaik.
[04:45] <kousotu> wifi did nothing for my wifi...
[04:45] <kousotu> well, better than not at all with my zd1211rw
[04:46] <kousotu> (most likely hardware, not software)
[04:46] <kousotu>  so how do I remov wifi-radar?
[04:47] <kylem> eh? you can remove it with synaptic.
[04:50] <kousotu> ah...
[04:50] <kousotu> forgot about that
[04:53] <kousotu> hm.. well, about to find out if it works, brb
[04:53] <bullgard4> What is the reason that the ACPI Specification 3.0 prefixes Control methods with an underscore character, e. g. '_GTS'?
[04:55] <kousotu> well, it disconnected instantly, reloaded it and now it's fully functional
[04:55] <kousotu> thanks kylem
[04:56] <kylem> np.
[04:56] <kousotu> this fixes my wifi issue
[04:56] <kousotu> lol
[04:56] <mjg59> bullgard4: To indicate that they're reserved
[04:56] <bullgard4> ty
[04:56] <kousotu> now if only my sound would work....
[04:57] <kousotu> seems updates in gutsy hurts everyone's sound
[04:57] <kousotu> lol
[04:57] <kousotu> een bad for me in the last 3 tribes
[04:57] <kousotu> been*
[04:59] <kousotu> kylem: any ideas on how I might go about compiling the sound card from source?
[04:59] <kylem> yes, there's instructions on www.alsa-project.org
[04:59] <arooni> hey kylem ..... everything worked great!!!!!!!!!
[04:59] <arooni> thanx a lot for the suggestion
[04:59] <kylem> np.
[05:00] <arooni> so i dont need to log the bug correct?
[05:00] <arooni> if i have this lappy for 3 years.... will it continue to be well supported by ubuntu?
[05:00] <arooni> (t61; 2ghz dual core, 2gb ram; etc...)
[05:01] <kylem> yeah.
[05:01] <kousotu> it's not listed
[05:01] <kousotu> brb
[05:01] <kylem> because i have one. :P
[05:01] <kousotu> bro gettin bitchy
[05:01] <arooni> kylem, ;p  seems to be a popular laptop
[05:01] <kylem> yeah, it's quite nice, but a little bulky with the battery sticking out the back.
[05:02] <arooni> kylem, did you get 14.1 screen?
[05:02] <kylem> so i carry around my macbook instead, oh well.
[05:02] <arooni> w/ camera ? 
[05:02] <kylem> yeah, i think it's 14.1
[05:02] <arooni> yah but the keyboard rox + mouse thhingy
[05:02] <kylem> but no camera.
[05:04] <arooni> thats a shame ;(   how will the camera be supported ? heh
[05:06] <kylem> hmm, i didn't even know there was one. if it's usbvideo it might work out of the box with usbvideo
[05:08] <mjg59> Yeah, google suggests it's uvc-compliant
[05:08] <mjg59> So it /ought/ to Just Work if you have linux-ubuntu-modules installed
[05:08] <arooni> mjg59, is that a package?
[05:09] <mjg59> Yes
[05:09] <mjg59> In gutsy
[05:10] <arooni> E: Couldn't find package linux-ubuntu-modules
[05:10] <arooni> i have gutsy
[05:11] <kylem> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22
[05:11] <arooni> how does everyone know the name of modules so accuarately
[05:11] <kousotu> kylem: is there a way to make ubuntu automatically connect on bott to a specific network, without using the keyring?
[05:11] <arooni> i'm guessing you dont memorize them
[05:12] <kylem> arooni, it's my job.
[05:12] <kousotu> lol
[05:12] <arooni> E: Couldn't find package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22
[05:12] <kylem> kousotu, er, dunno, keyring works for me.
[05:12] <arooni> am i missing something in sources.list ?
[05:12] <kousotu> kylem: works for me too, but then if refuses to connect untill I manually conect to the network
[05:12] <kylem> arooni, no, we're just missing meta packages, anyway, you probably have it installed already if you have linux-generic installed.
[05:13] <arooni> kylem, i do have linux-generic... but when i go to webcam testing sites.... it doesnt show up ;(
[05:19] <kousotu> kylem: any dea what package I'd need for realtek ALC83?
[05:19] <kousotu> idea*
[05:50] <crimsun> kousotu: presuming you're referring to HDA [ALCx83] , you shouldn't need anything above and beyond linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic and linux-ubuntu-module-2.6.22-10-generic [but the latter isn't even relevant there] 
[05:50] <crimsun> err, linux-ubuntu-modules-, even
[05:50] <kousotu> crimsun: well, the updates kiled my sound
[05:50] <kousotu> lol
[05:50] <crimsun> check and make sure you didn't get a fubar upgrade
[05:51] <crimsun> if `modinfo snd-hda-intel` doesn't return a bunch of info, then purge and reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`
[05:51] <kylem> snd-hda-intel is in lum atm.
[05:52] <kousotu> ?
[05:52] <crimsun> kylem: ok, thanks
[05:52] <crimsun> kousotu: presuming you're referring to gutsy, is linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic installed?
[05:53] <kousotu> yes, I am running gutsy
[05:53] <kousotu> I installed litle on te os, it is installedbe default?
[05:53] <kousotu> by*
[05:53] <kousotu> I am a linux noob, just so as you know
[05:53] <kylem> dunno why it would be broken, it's running the same code that's in linux-source-2.6.22 barring one line of patch.
[05:54] <kousotu> kylem: it worked, untill I updated
[05:55] <kousotu> so on of the 2 patches of pdates broke it
[05:55] <kousotu> updates*
[05:55] <kousotu> batches*
[05:55] <kylem> which version did it work in?
[05:56] <kousotu> ?
[05:56] <kousotu> it worked in "factory default" 4 and 5
[05:56] <crimsun> reading backscroll, it doesn't seem like the driver should have anything to do with it.
[05:56] <kousotu> but the moment I updated it died
[05:57] <kousotu> oh.
[05:57] <kylem> "factory default"?
[05:57] <kousotu> and it worked ok in Tribe 4 alpha
[05:57] <kousotu> I knew you were gona ask me that
[05:57] <kousotu> lol
[05:57] <crimsun> I notice that ben asked him to run asoundconf set-default-card, but the parameter that was passed seems incorrect
[05:57] <kousotu> from cd to hd, no mods
[05:58] <crimsun> kousotu: does `aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav` play audibly?
[05:58] <kousotu> no
[05:58] <crimsun> is there an error, or does it appear to play inaudibly?
[05:58] <kousotu> inaudably
[05:59] <kousotu> I checked with my old pc speakers in as headphones, it does play, but not through the laptp speakers
[06:00] <kousotu> ad I want it to pla on the laptop speakers
[06:00] <kousotu> it did that ok untill I updated
[06:01] <kousotu> (sorry bout the typos, lousy laptop keyboard. regret buying it)
[06:02] <crimsun> if you boot from the tribe 5 desktop cd, are the symptoms identical?
[06:02] <kousotu> the CD plays sound
[06:03] <kousotu> as it did from the start
[06:03] <kousotu> but once I installed the package updates it stoppedworking
[06:03] <kousotu> I'm almost tempted to find the alpha andtry that
[06:04] <mjg59> What alpha?
[06:04] <kousotu> tribe 5 alpha
[06:04] <kousotu> I had tribe 4's
[06:04] <crimsun> kousotu: please grab http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh, and execute `bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh` in a Terminal
[06:04] <mjg59> But you just said tribe 5 worked
[06:06] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[06:06] <kousotu> bash: /home/kousotu/Desktop/alsa-info.sh: No such file or directory
[06:06] <crimsun> kousotu: make sure you download the file and save it to the Desktop
[06:06] <kousotu> you frgot to saysave it
[06:06] <kousotu> lol
[06:07] <crimsun> right, sorry, should have made that explicit
[06:07] <kousotu>  http://pastebin.ca/677554
[06:07] <kousotu> n prob
[06:07] <kousotu> no*
[06:08] <kousotu> after the 4th attempt I figured that out
[06:08] <kousotu> lol
[06:09] <crimsun> hmm, you didn't adjust your mixer levels using the volume applet (speaker applet in the top left)
[06:09] <crimsun> ?
[06:09] <mjg59> crimsun: Top right :p
[06:09] <kousotu> ?
[06:09] <kousotu> I did
[06:09] <crimsun> right, other left :p
[06:09] <kousotu> lol
[06:09] <mjg59> kousotu: Is it possible that you've, y'know, just turned your speakers down?
[06:10] <kousotu> mjg59: not possible, ther're inbeded into my laptop
[06:10] <mjg59> kousotu: No, from the mixer
[06:10] <kousotu> I turned them up
[06:11] <mjg59> Double click on the speaker
[06:11] <mjg59> Play with all the sliders there
[06:11] <kousotu> PCM CD PC Speaker, MAX
[06:11] <kousotu> as I had it at install
[06:11] <mjg59> Select edit/preferences and then click on all the boxes there
[06:11] <mjg59> Then play with the rest of the slidesr
[06:12] <kousotu> that won't do anything, I tied that befor too
[06:12] <mjg59> Humour me
[06:12] <mjg59> If nothing works, wait until the l-u-m update next week, which will probably fix it
[06:16] <kousotu> ok, wel, this is what happened: it did play when I fiddeld with them, surround make my PC shriek, and it only playes at a low olume
[06:16] <kousotu> and it only playes with surround on
[06:16] <kousotu> playes*
[06:17] <kousotu> ok, there we go
[06:18] <kousotu> now it works
[06:18] <kousotu> thanks
[06:19] <kousotu> oh, one last thing..
[06:19] <kousotu> who's in charge of todem?
[06:19] <mjg59> Nobody's in charge of any one package
[06:19] <kousotu> oh.. well , it crashes instantly on me
[06:21] <mjg59> Turn off desktop effects
[06:21] <kousotu> they are off
[06:21] <mjg59> system/preferences/appearence
[06:21] <kousotu> wel, I havebasic on, but that didn't crash it in 4
[06:21] <mjg59> Turn off desktop effects
[06:22] <kousotu> I use vlc, I'm just reporting i
[06:22] <kousotu> it*
[06:22] <mjg59> Yes. I know. Turn off desktop effects.
[06:22] <mjg59> Does it then work?
[06:23] <kousotu> without sound
[06:23] <kousotu> lol
[06:25] <kousotu> and fyi, vlc has sound now, todem still doesn't
[06:25] <kousotu> same file
[06:25] <mjg59> In any case, not a kernel issue
[06:26] <kousotu> well, didn't know who to reportthat to, that's why I asked
[06:26] <kousotu> so the lum update should fix the sound completely?
[06:26] <mjg59> It's a known issue
[06:26] <mjg59> You not switching your speakers off in the mixer should fix the sound completely
[06:26] <kousotu> k
[06:27] <kousotu> I have never turned the off
[06:27] <kousotu> I turn them down, but not of
[06:27] <kousotu> of*
[06:27] <mjg59> The setting didn't change on its own
[06:27] <kousotu> ...
[06:27] <kousotu> it defaulted at that
[06:28] <kousotu> blease on't sit here nd accuse my of being dumb
[06:28] <mjg59> No, if it defaulted to that it wouldn't have worked when you booted the CD
[06:28] <kousotu> I'm not using a CD
[06:28] <kousotu> I'm using an MP3
[06:28] <mjg59> You said that it worked when you used the CD
[06:28] <kousotu> ok, misscommuncation
[06:28] <kousotu> I meant the liv CD
[06:28] <kousotu> live*
[06:28] <mjg59> Yes
[06:29] <mjg59> If the sound worked then, then the defaults worked
[06:29] <kousotu> right
[06:29] <mjg59> Therefore it didn't default to not working
[06:30] <mjg59> Therefore you changed it by accident at some stage
[06:30] <kousotu> nope
[06:30] <mjg59> Yes.
[06:30] <kousotu> let me xplain
[06:30] <kousotu> I used the MP3 on the live CD, the sound was fine. when I installed T5, it was fine untill I updated
[06:31] <kousotu> I don't know what did it, but something, NOT ME, shut them off
[06:31] <kousotu> and  didn't touch the settings
[06:32] <crimsun> it's worth noting that sound state (e.g., mixer levels) are stored separately in a file
[06:32] <kousotu> ?
[06:32] <kousotu> maybe the update messed with it?
[06:32] <kousotu> it's possible
[06:33] <crimsun> what he's alluding to is the fact that hardware-wise, your sound is fine, and with the next l-u-m update, it should be completely fixed (i.e., not having to fiddle with mixer levels to achieve the speakers/hp)
[06:33] <kousotu> somehow I have "surround" sound
[06:33] <kousotu> good, no more troubles (hopefuly)
[06:33] <kousotu> will the sound buttons onmy laptop be able to control the volume then too?
[06:34] <kousotu> because it cannot right now
[06:34] <kousotu> I haveto manually adjust them
[06:34] <crimsun> you should be able to do that (i.e., configure that)
[06:35] <kousotu> how?
[06:35] <crimsun> in the menu, System> Preferences> Sound
[06:35] <kousotu> doesn't look like it
[06:35] <crimsun> in the left-most (default) tab, "Devices", look at the bottom "Default Mixer Tracks"
[06:36] <kousotu> yea
[06:36] <kousotu> I see it. that what the buttons on the laptop controls?
[06:36] <crimsun> in all cases that I know of, yes, that can be configured 
[06:37] <kousotu> yep, tht works now too
[06:37] <kousotu> you guys are good
[06:39] <kousotu> can you humor this question?: is there any reason that a Stereo speaker would all of a sudden go surround?
[12:38] <Whoopie> mjg59: I saw that you're working at card readers atm. Could you also consider adding sdricoh_cs (http://sdricohcs.sourceforge.net/)?
[03:31] <Kousotu> he BenC
[03:31] <Kousotu> hey*
[03:33] <bullgard4> What is menat by an 'ACPI status register' about which mjg59 wrote? I could not find this term in the ACPI Specification version 3.0b.
[03:33] <bullgard4> meant
[05:52] <Nafallo> anyone know what kind of raid ICH7-R is?
[07:05] <Whoopie> BenC: Hi, why can't I use the history function of the gitweb? Is it disabled?