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FujitsuMorning all.01:25
geserHi Fujitsu01:26
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jribhey Fujitsu01:29
FujitsuHi geser, jrib.01:29
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LaserJockhi hi hi MOTU Land!01:45
geserHi LaserJock01:46
FujitsuHi LaserJock.01:48
LaserJockhi geser01:48
LaserJockFujitsu: you still doing MOTU Science lists?01:48
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LaserJockhi imbrandon01:50
imbrandonheya LaserJock01:50
FujitsuLaserJock: What kind of lists?01:50
FujitsuHi imbrandon.01:50
LaserJockFujitsu: the mdt and bug lists01:50
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FujitsuMDT: yes. Bugs: I don't think so... the script broke, and we can do it in the normal interface anyway.01:50
Fujitsugeser: Night.01:51
LaserJockFujitsu: I don't like the normal interface01:51
LaserJockbut that's a small thing01:51
LaserJockthe mdt lists are a bigger deal01:51
FujitsuI'll see how broken the bug thing is.01:51
FujitsuBut as far as I know mdt is still going fine.01:51
LaserJockI can make the lists, but I can't really cron it01:51
LaserJockas my server isn't running Debian/Ubuntu01:52
FujitsuI was fortunately on one of the ServerPronto servers that wasn't compromised.01:52
FujitsuWe've had a pretty good security policy from the start.01:52
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FujitsuLaserJock: Back up at http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/motuscience/bugs/01:56
LaserJockFujitsu: excellent01:58
FujitsuLaserJock: Do we want to kill of scigraphica like Debian?01:59
LaserJockoh, did they finally get rid of it?02:00
FujitsuWe've only got the two nasty bugs.02:00
FujitsuThey did.02:00
FujitsuDebian bug #43877402:00
ubotuDebian bug 438774 in ftp.debian.org "RM: scigraphica -- RoQA; unmaintained; dead upstream" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/43877402:00
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LaserJockFujitsu: sounds reasonable to me02:00
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FujitsuAh, and textopo can die too, as it's replaced by texlive-science.02:01
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bddebianHeya gang04:31
LaserJockhola Barryson04:32
bddebianHeh, hi justinwray, LaserJock04:32
FujitsuHi bddebian.04:32
bddebianHeya Fujitsu04:33
bddebianNow why the heck would the binaries of jmagick end up in NEW?04:33
Fujitsubddebian: It has never built before.04:37
FujitsuWe got it building rather then removing it? So I wasn't entirely on crack?04:38
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Fujitsutonyyarusso: `they'?04:39
bddebianFujitsu: Yeah, even though the Debian changelog said it added a b-d for kaffe-dev, they didn't.  All I had to do was change the kaffe b-d to kaffe-dev04:41
tonyyarussoFujitsu: archive gods04:41
FujitsuThe archive guys don't build things...04:45
LaserJocki.e. LP cron jobs04:45
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tonyyarussoFujitsu: They "approve" or some such, right?  I don't know...there's some sort of step between sitting in +queue and sitting in +builds04:51
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Fujitsutonyyarusso: Ah, they approve sources from NEW, but only if they're NEW.05:04
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Ah.05:04
tonyyarussoFujitsu: So then some sort of "A Okay" tag gets thrown on, and the auto-building stuff looks for that?05:05
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Fujitsutonyyarusso: The package is approved from NEW, moves to ACCEPTED, then to DONE, then the build-queuer sees it and queues builds.05:11
tonyyarussoFujitsu: How can you view those different stages on LP ?05:12
Fujitsutonyyarusso: /ubuntu/gutsy/+queue, the dropdown at the top.05:12
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Ooooh (My eyes always ignore helpful dropdowns on LP for some reason - this happens a lot)05:13
tonyyarussoso mine's not even accepted yet :(05:14
FujitsuSources can sit in new for a while.05:14
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tonyyarussoNow, when things are accepted or rejected, is any sort of comment attached?05:15
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Fujitsutonyyarusso: NAFAIK05:16
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ScottKIs there a way to specify to requestsync which GPG key/email address to use?05:26
tonyyarussoSpeaking of GPG keys...I could use some advice:05:29
xtknightis there a guide to making an orig.tar.gz?  do you just tar.gz up the folder into the tar?  e.g. asdf.tar.gz\asdf\[source files are here] ?  or, asdf.tar.gz\[source files are here]  (omitting redundant dir name)?05:29
bddebianYou do not want the redundant sub-dir, no05:29
xtknightlikewise speaking of gpg keys i was wondering what happens if you lose the key you made for yourself.  are you doomed?  (not that i did)05:29
tonyyarussoI have to use a mobile drive for school - it's a real 3.5" hard drive, installed into a removable tray, which then fits into a rack that installs into any 5 1/4" bay.  This means I can boot my systems on any computer at school.  Should I create a GPG key on there for those purposes I may use it for, or just avoid it altogether b/c of the security risk?05:30
ScottKxtknight: You should have a backup, but if you lose either your secret key or the passphrase, you need to make a new one.05:30
tonyyarussoI anticipate that this drive will never leave my sight, but I'm not 100% sure.05:30
xtknightScottK, what if i remember the PW i just didn't export the public or private key?05:30
xtknighte.g. data loss05:31
ScottKYou need to have the private key or you need to start over.05:31
xtknightif i start over, won't they think im an imposter?05:31
tonyyarusso"they" being?05:31
ScottKFor LP, just add the new key to your LP ID.05:31
xtknightah ok05:31
xtknightthe point of signing something is so that they know it's "you".  if i created a new key all of a sudden that didnt match any of my previous ones, that probably wouldnt go over too well.05:32
ScottKAs long as it's in LP, LP won't care.05:32
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xtknighthow would you make a .diff.gz?05:40
xtknightdoes that sound good? "diff -u ../orig/hugin/ hugin > hugin_0.7~svn2420.diff.gz"05:41
Fujitsuxtknight: debuild05:41
FujitsuOr dpkg-buildpackage05:41
xtknightFujitsu,  oh so debuild will make it once i give it the orig in ../ ?05:42
tonyyarussoxtknight: yeah05:42
xtknightcool beans :)05:42
bddebianIs there a better replacement for j2re1.4?05:42
tonyyarusso(how do debuild and dpkg-buildpackage differ?)05:42
Fujitsubddebian: Yeah. Not java.05:42
bddebianFujitsu: Well that's obvious, but besides that :-)05:43
Fujitsutonyyarusso: debuild does some build environment cleaning and various other magic... it's basically a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage.05:43
tonyyarussoFujitsu: so debuild would be preferred then.05:43
LaserJockdebuild is *the* way to go05:43
zakamepdebuild too05:43
LaserJockI don't know why people use dpkg-buildpackage05:44
xtknightnow if i'm updating "somebody else"'s package, should the maintainer be him, me, or Ubuntu MOTU?  The XSBC-Orig should still be the first Debian maintainer of the package?05:44
LaserJockdebuild is shorter05:44
bddebianLaserJock: I do :-)05:44
Fujitsuzakame: sbuild > pbuilder05:44
bddebianI'm old and crusty ya know :-)05:44
LaserJockbddebian: well, we know you are special05:44
bddebianThat's spethial ;-P05:44
bddebianSo let me ask differently.  Is there a runtime match for gcj ?05:45
zakameFujitsu: right05:45
LaserJockI like pbuilder05:45
LaserJockI need to try sbuild out, but I've just not had time05:45
zakamebut I still find pdebuild/cowdancer easier to set up05:45
LaserJockbut I don't use LVM so I'm not sure why it would be that much better05:45
bddebianFujitsu: But that's just the interpreter.  It doesn't include a vm right?05:46
bddebianI wonder if kaffe would work05:47
Fujitsubddebian: No idea. I don't do Java.05:47
bddebianMe either :-(05:47
nixternalbddebian: there is no better replacement for any of the sun java components05:49
nixternalblackdown was the closest on the jre side05:49
bddebianj2re1.4 is blackdown isn't it?05:49
LaserJockthat's why I just won't deal with Java until Sun open sources their stuff05:50
LaserJockit's just to messy for me to get straight05:50
nixternalblackdown is something different I thought05:50
nixternalI just use all of the java components right now because they are the only ones that work worth a darn for my java classes05:51
tonyyarussoLaserJock: I think part of the wiki still says dpkg-buildpackage, or I wouldn't have tried it.05:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about j2re1.4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:51
zakameblackdown is still sun java right?05:51
LaserJockwell, it's not a "still" thing. Some people prefer dpkg-buildpackage it seems05:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:51
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre05:51
nixternalahh, you are right about blackdown05:52
nixternalj2* is blackdown05:52
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bddebianWell freemind fails to build with j2sdk1.4.  I can build it with gcj but I don't know what that will do to the runtime environment05:53
ScottKStevenK: If I came up with a patch for requestsync to add the equivalent of -k in dpkg-buildpackage, would you take the patch?05:57
ScottKNot saying on what schedule, but I'll add it to the TODO if you're good with the idea.05:58
tonyyarussoFreemind is going into gutsy?06:00
bddebianIt's already in but FTBFSs06:00
tonyyarussoFun.  Hope it gets fixed - could be useful.06:01
bddebianWell as I said, I can build it with gcj but that doesn't help the runtime environment06:01
tonyyarussobddebian: Have you talked to Eric Lavarde yet?06:02
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tonyyarussobddebian: Seems to manage it in Debian, according to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/text/freemind06:02
tonyyarussobddebian: Have you been able to compare your source packages yet?06:04
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bddebiantonyyarusso: ??06:04
tonyyarussobddebian: Were you working from his, or starting from scratch?06:05
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bddebiantonyyarusso: It was synced from Debian.  Same version06:06
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tonyyarussobddebian: oh.  nvm me then :S06:07
xtknightwhat tells debian to make multiple debs for one source package?06:09
xtknighthow does it know which files to give to each deb?06:09
bddebianThere is 1 source entry and x binary package entries06:10
bddebianDepends on the packaging type06:10
LaserJockgenerally you can use a .install file06:10
LaserJockso like binarypackage1.install binarypackage2.install06:11
LaserJockif you are using debhelper/cdbs06:11
xtknight.install is a static thing that it always looks for, i assume?06:11
xtknighti dont see .install referenced06:11
LaserJockthere isn't a .install file in debian/ ?06:11
bddebianThey are inside the debian/ dir as well06:11
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LaserJockholy cow!06:11
xtknightthere is, but what tells it to look at .install and not .destroy? :)06:11
LaserJockdh_install is a debhelper script06:12
xtknightit always has to be "binarypkg.install"?06:12
LaserJockand it know to look at .install06:12
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LaserJockwell, if you don't have to distinguish you can do just install06:12
LaserJockbut yeah, if you have multiple binaries you do <binarypackage>.install06:13
LaserJockcrimsun: nice to see you are still alive06:13
white!info polipo gutsy06:14
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ubotupolipo: a small, caching web proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 186 kB, installed size 800 kB06:14
whitesomeone might want to look into an upgrade for polipo06:14
bddebianho hum06:15
crimsunto 1.0.2-1?06:15
white!info backup-manager gutsy06:15
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whitecrimsun: that is the version, which is marked as fixed, yes06:15
xtknightok what is  ${shlibs:Depends} replaced by?06:15
whitebackup-manager to 0.7.6-306:15
white!info mapserver gutsy06:16
ubotuPackage mapserver does not exist in gutsy06:16
crimsunlikely just needs UVF exception requests06:16
white!info perl-mapscript gutsy06:16
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crimsunI've been away most of this dev cycle, so I'm not 100% on the protocol06:16
whitemapserver to 4.10.3-1 , but the patch could probably be backportet06:17
LaserJockwhite: do you have time to file bugs?06:20
LaserJockwhite: if so tag them with "upgrade"06:20
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ScottKLaserJock: white serves as a communication device from Debian to Ubuntu.  AFAIK he doesn't actually do stuff like that.06:21
LaserJockcommunication is much nicer via bugs than IRC though06:22
LaserJockor at least email06:22
LaserJockbut I realize he probably doesn't have a  lot of time, hence my first question06:23
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ScottKSure.  Just saying.06:23
ScottKMaybe there's a motu hopeful here that would be willing to file bugs ...06:24
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whiteLaserJock: nope, sorry just wanted to forward the stuff from last night and after i upload the bugzilla NMU i need to study a bit :/06:24
LaserJockno problemo06:25
bddebianYes lord knows we need more bugs :-)06:26
crimsunwell you two are 2/3 of the trinity, so that's a non-issue ;)06:26
bddebianHah, not anymore.  I'm pretty much more useless than ever :-(06:27
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minghuabanshee's "shuffle playback mode" seems to be completely broken.06:34
minghuaIt neither is random nor covers all the songs.06:34
minghuaI have five songs in my list, and banshee gives me 1->3->5->1->3->5... in this shuffle mode.06:35
Flannelminghua: How do you know that's not random?06:35
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minghuaFlannel: I am not exactly sure, but I can calculate the probability if you really want...06:36
xtknightso dpkg-shlibdeps makes shlibs:Depends what does the misc Depends?06:36
minghuaI think this is the fourth round it starts with no. 1.06:36
minghuaxtknight: Please rephrase, I don't understand you question.06:37
xtknightminghua, how do i get ${misc:Depends} ?06:37
Flannelminghua: maybe you should go play the lottery if it keeps playing 1,3,5...06:37
minghuaxtknight: ${misc:Depends} is added by different programs.06:37
xtknightminghua, dpkg-shlibdeps made substvars that set ${shlibs:Depends}, but there is a ${misc:Depends} i need to set06:37
xtknight(basically i'm using another package as a template and these variables don't exist anymore, i'm not sure how to create them for what's in the package now)06:38
LaserJock misc:Depends is used by debhelper06:38
LaserJockto add in stuff it needs06:38
minghuaxtknight: For example, I believe dh_installdebconf adds debconf into ${misc:Depends}.06:39
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xtknightdpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}06:40
minghuaxtknight: Exactly what do you want to set ${misc:Depends} to?06:40
xtknightthat happened for shlibs.  then i ran dpkg-shlibdeps and the shlibs error is gone.  now i need to deal with misc06:40
minghuaxtknight: If you don't need/use ${misc:Depends}, don't add it in Depends: line in debian/control.06:40
xtknightminghua,  hmm.  i guess i dont.  i can always check deps with pbuilder right?06:40
minghuaxtknight: pbuilder usually only find problems in build dependencies, not (binary) dependencies.06:41
xtknighti'm wondering where ${misc:Depends} is set, though.  what tells debuild what the variable misc:Depends is ?  i would like to take a look at what another pkg has this variable set to, for example06:41
minghuaYou really need to know your package to decide if you need ${misc:Depends} or not.06:42
xtknightit's pretty small, so probably nothing06:42
minghuaxtknight: After building, the value of ${misc:Depends} is in debian/<package-name>.substvars.06:42
xtknightahh ok06:42
xtknightif it installs and runs on a fresh chroot, the it Depends on nothing, is that righT?06:43
xtknightor maybe if it needs a specific version of something06:44
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minghuaOkay, I got my no. 2 song.  Never mind what I complained about banshee.06:44
minghua(I still suspect there is something wrong, though.)06:44
xtknightwhat did shlibdeps do?  didn't that just detect the dependencies of my binary package?06:44
RAOFminghua: It's because it's actually random, not a shuffle.06:45
RAOFI think you'll find that rhythmbox does an actual shuffle without replacement, but banshee doesn't (yet).06:45
minghuaRAOF: Yeah, good point.  Still many 1->3->5 rounds should be a rather small probability event...06:46
minghuaYes, rhythmbox's shuffle mode goes over all songs before starting next round.06:46
RAOFminghua: That's actually really hard to determine :).06:46
minghuaI'll report a bug after some more experimentation.06:47
RAOFThe next banshee release is getting an actual play queue as a part of it's huge rewriting.  Maybe that'll turn "random" into "shuffle".06:47
minghuaAt least, there is a "call it random mode instead of shuffle mode" bug to report.06:47
minghuaRAOF: Nice.  Do you happen to know the ETA of next banshee release?06:48
RAOFminghua: No.  We've actually got all the code (it's in the 0.13.1 release we've currently got), it's just not hooked up to anything yet!06:48
minghuaRAOF: Thanks for the explanation.06:49
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white!info bugzilla gutsy06:49
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RAOFActually, the next banshee release should bring it pretty much up to parity with rhythmbox.  There's a lot of performance work done, play queue, etc.06:49
whiteyou might want to check out the NMU 2.22.1-2.206:50
whitethere was another CVE fixed06:50
LaserJockheah, is anybody writing this down? :-)06:50
RAOFEh, it's all logged :)06:50
crimsunnmu should be a non-issue, since it's not an uv06:50
whiteLaserJock: actually it might be a good idea, if one MOTU would subscribe to the testing-security tracker list and maybe he and me could have a list somewhere, so you guys could work on syncing/merging it06:51
LaserJockRAOF: yeah, but people need to actually do it, you know ;-)06:51
whiteLaserJock: or someone subscribes to the whole crap i am saying here06:51
whiteanyway, see you later06:51
LaserJockthanks white06:51
RAOFYeah, thanks.06:52
bddebianAny of you use/know audacious?06:52
LaserJockis that the audo editor app?06:52
bddebianYeah I think06:52
RAOFIsn't that the xmms forky thing?06:52
RAOFThere's audacious & audacity, and they're two different projects, right?06:53
LaserJockmaybe audacity is the audio editor06:53
RAOFThat's what aptitude thinks, too :)06:54
bddebianYeah audacious is a fork of xmms06:54
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xtknightwell i've got my package built with debuild.  all goes well it is installs my program.  but im having troubles with pbuilder, ./configure script permission denied.  i think this is why: " dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'configure' will not be represented in diff." but how can i solve this?  the orig.tar.gz uses a "bootstrap" that creates a configure file.07:02
xtknightit installs my program*07:02
minghuaxtknight: Don't put the configure script in .diff.gz, and run bootstrap at build time, is one option.07:04
xtknightminghua, the package of "hugin" (that i am updating) which is in gutsy uses a "configure" in its main dir which is why i went that route to begin with07:05
minghuaxtknight: Is the configure script in gutsy package in .orig.tar.gz or .diff.gz?07:06
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bddebianGnight folks07:06
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xtknightminghua, well he put it in the orig07:07
xtknightminghua, i don't think that is the "true" original though, because that orig file still has a bootstrap07:07
xtknightmy orig is a direct mirror of what i got off sourceforge07:08
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minghuaxtknight: Are you packaging a new upstream?07:08
minghua!info hugin gutsy07:09
ubotuhugin: a Panorama Tools GUI to make panoramas from multiple pictures. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7~beta4-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 132 kB07:09
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xtknightminghua,  ok a bit complicated.  i am packaging part of "Hugin SVN", align_image_stack which needs to be built against Hugin SVN.  it will not build against the hugin in there.  so i made a new pkg with align_image_stack and all the updates headers it needs to compile.  great, so with no dynamic libraries we're all set right?07:09
xtknight( i could not simply update hugin to hugin svn for regressions reasons )07:10
xtknightalign_image_stack is only in Hugin svn07:10
xtknightthere is no release which contains it07:10
minghuaxtknight: Honestly I don't see much point talking about updating a package to an SVN version at this stage of release cycle.07:11
xtknightminghua,  this is a different package, not an update07:11
minghuaxtknight: It's essentially the same.  I don't think it stands any chance of getting into gutsy.07:12
xtknightminghua, ok well i wouldn't really like to explain the whole situation again.  Bug 13511107:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135111 in hugin "[UVFe]  hugin svn needs packaged for qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13511107:12
xtknightbasically i decided i could not update it because it may cause regressions (see last comment)07:13
xtknightso instead i am making a new pkg to include the program i need, standalone07:13
xtknighti think this is the best option for best user experience07:13
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xtknightin fact i should add this to the comments there to clarify things07:14
xtknightsorry for the confusion07:14
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minghuaxtknight: I see the whole picture now.  However you didn't put you new plan (two packages) in the bug report, and you haven't got approval yet.  And this time you need a New Package Freeze exception, and I doubt the current UVF exception approval counts.07:16
xtknightminghua, ok I have no problem filing for the New Package Freeze exception and ditching the previous UVFe idea.  i would like the new program included in Gutsy (it is very small and depends on very little), but I don't want to cause regressions by needlessly updating hugin07:18
minghuaxtknight: I understands you goal.  However I don't think you approach is a good idea, and I wouldn't grant approval if I were the release manager.07:19
xtknightminghua, how would you go about it?07:20
minghuaxtknight: I would just bite the bullet and prepare the updated hugin and new package for hardy.07:21
minghuaxtknight: Because in my opinion release pre-mature packages is worse than not release anything at all.07:21
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=== ScottK if feeling kind of oogy about the whole thing right now.
xtknightsince align_image_stack is in no hugin release then i will probably just forget about it, and make a new package once it is contained in a stable release which probably won't be until Hardy07:22
xtknightit would save a lot of trouble but i don't see how the current solution is any worse than what was already approved07:23
xtknightit would be the same code basically in a different package to avoid conflicts07:24
minghua"what is already approved" is not achieved yet.07:24
minghuaIn case it's not clear, my preference is "keeping the status quo", no updating hugin package, nor new hugin-svn package, everything can wait for hardy.07:25
ScottKxtknight: You are on a different plan now than we acked.  IMO you need to ask again.07:26
xtknightScottK, oh, i have no problem asking for a New Package approval instead, but i am confused about the resistance to my current plan07:26
xtknightwell i'll just do it and see what happens.  if they think it will wait until Hardy they will disapprove it, right?07:27
ScottKFrom my perspective, you asked for one thing and now you do another.07:27
minghuaxtknight: I'm not a release manager (or motu-uvf team member?), so my resistance doesn't really matter.07:27
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ScottKSo it's not a freebie option.07:28
minghuaxtknight: My suggestion would be "ask first".07:28
xtknightdon't know it is probably too much trouble than it's worth for everybody07:29
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ScottKxtknight: Off the top of my head, I'd say wait for Hardy.07:32
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ScottKThat's my advice, not speaking as motu-uvg07:33
ScottKerr uvf07:33
StevenKScottK: Re: your patch for requestsync, why?07:36
ScottKBecause requestsync takes the first secret key on your keyring.07:37
ScottKIn my case, that's not the one I use for Ubuntu, so it's  PITA.07:37
ScottKNote that I don't have the patch yet, just the annoyance factor that may rise into motivation.07:38
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ScottKI think I should get to bed.  Good night all.07:41
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StevenKScottK: Drat, I missed you since I was putting shopping away. I'm happy to wait for a patch. If you have any trouble writting it, I'm happy to fix/debug, too.07:48
xtknightScottK, minghua thank you for your thoughts.  i will see what my mentor thinks but most likely i will wait until Hardy07:50
minghuaxtknight: You are welcome.07:50
xtknighti wasn't too happy about this but worst case i can put up a page about "how to get qtpfsgui" working in ubuntu on the forums, etc in absense of a package07:50
ScottKStevenK: I'm actually still here.07:51
ScottKStevenK: If you feel motivated, feel free to go ahead.  I've a long TODO list, so I don't know how soon I'd get to it.07:52
StevenKScottK: I had to add the code for option parsing to requestsync due to sponsorship and such like, and it's actually a nice request. I think I can knock it over quickly, unless you want to cut your teeth on some Python.07:54
ScottKNo.  I do enough Python on other things, so go ahead.07:55
ScottKThanks for looking into it.07:55
StevenKIt seems more interesting than looking at unmetdeps right now.07:56
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ScottKOK.  Off to bed, really this time...  Good night once again.08:07
StevenKNight ScottK08:07
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TheMusoHey folks08:57
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=== LongPointyStick waves
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RAOFSo, I'm trying to debug why trackerd segfaults somewhere in my $HOME.10:13
RAOFIt's nice and reproducible.  However, the gdb backtrace is populated by 71 ?? calls.10:14
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RAOFAlso, valgrind SIGILLs when I try to run valgrind against it.10:14
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\shanyone upto sponsor some bugfixes to universe? :)11:10
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jeromeggeser : hello, have you been able to test dvgrab 3.0 with your dv camera ?11:20
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gesernot yet, will do it today11:26
jeromeggeser : thx very much, could you add your comments on the LP bug ?11:27
jeromegcause I'll be away today11:28
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enycHrrm'' i should suggest -motu include  nsd3 in ubuntu universe (please) -- its in debian testing, low dependancies, no non-free troubles, small and efficient ;-)11:37
enyc[please]  ;-) --   shoul i be posting a wishlist bug or something?  should i be testing it myself somehow?11:38
minghua!info nsd311:38
ubotuPackage nsd3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:38
minghua!info nsd3 gutsy11:38
ubotuPackage nsd3 does not exist in gutsy11:38
enyc('nsd' is there already, which is NSD2)11:39
enycnsd3 is not compatible config, the debian packgae uses /etc/nsd3 instead of /etc/nsd  etc.11:39
enyc!info nsd gutsy11:39
minghuaenyc: You need to file an UVF exception request if you want to get it into gutsy.11:39
ubotunsd: authoritative name domain server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.7-1 (gutsy), package size 152 kB, installed size 516 kB11:39
enycminghua: o11:40
minghuaenyc: s/UVF exception/Universe New Package Freeze exception/11:40
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minghuaenyc: Briefly -- probably too late to ask at this time.11:41
minghuaenyc: It should be automatically imported in the next release (a.k.a. hardy) though.11:41
enycminghua: i see ;-)11:46
enycminghua: so "Briefly" 'all' debian packages are normally imported into ubuntu one way or another?11:46
minghuaenyc: Yes, at the start of a development cycle.  All main package (i.e. the free stuff) in unstable anyway.11:48
enycminghua: got you11:48
minghuaenyc: Which means special care probably needs to be taken for contrib/non-free or experimental packages.11:49
enycminghua: actually I would rather that ubuntu supported some of the newer NSD tools (i.e. not bind*) in main but thats another story ;-)11:49
enycminghua: yes... some go into multiverse... some may be medubuntu and not in  uubuntu as-such11:49
minghuaYeah, get it into universe first before talking about main inclusion...11:49
enycminghua: ;-)11:49
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jussi01Hmmm, can someone point me to a page that explains the philosofy of why we update every 6 months and not when the app comes out?11:54
jussi01ie. the release system?11:54
jussi01Its not I dont understand it, I just want it in writing... :)11:54
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\shjussi01, what needs to be written? there are several documents about "why is gentoo not enterprise ready", and that's all about it, that's why ubuntu is releasing every six months, or opensuse every year or so...12:01
jussi01\sh: I was just meaning is there something on the official site (as I cant see it) that explains that we release every 6 months and a breif reason for it??12:02
\shisn't anywhere an blog article of Mark about it...hmm12:03
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\shif anyone has time, and is so nice to sponsor some uploads...please see bug 136544 , bug 136547 and bug 136552 , thx :)12:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136544 in etoken "[FTBFS]  etoken " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13654412:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136547 in fxload "[FTBFS]  fxload (needs to be synced)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13654712:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136552 in galculator "[FTBFS]  galculator " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13655212:08
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=== \sh 's going shopping now :)
\shcu later12:10
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jussi01see ya \sh12:13
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emiri_good morning, someone can advice me to get involved with ubuntu dev?12:44
geseremiri_: hello, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU already?12:45
emiri_no, im going12:45
emiri_Masters of the Universe?12:45
minghua(or just read the channel topic...)12:46
emiri_im reading the MOTU Recruitment page12:49
geseremiri_: the community cared part from the archive is called universe and the dev responsible for it are called MOTUs12:50
emiri_i knew universe and multiverse archives...12:52
emiri_generate a contributor name as 'Masters of universe' from this is little bit funny12:52
emiri_thats all12:52
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sorenCould someone set the clock on the new revu machine? It's waaaay off.02:15
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bluefoxicyfreaking crashers03:06
bluefoxicyand damnit the -rt restricted modules don't have the nvidia driver >:|03:07
zakamewhat crashers?03:07
bluefoxicyI don't know03:09
bluefoxicymy system was hanged this morning03:09
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zakamewhat were the charges?03:14
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emiri_can anyone add me to patch my first package?03:43
emiri_I'm having problems in signing changes step03:45
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geserwhat problem do you have?03:48
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emiri_im following this tuto03:49
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emiri_i have this problem : apparently doing a patch we need to sign the changes04:08
emiri_and my home dir .gnupg is owned by root04:08
gnomefreakemiri_: change the owner04:08
geseremiri_: signing is only important if you want to upload it somewhere04:09
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emiri_there is an option to tell "debuild" command to not sign the changes?04:14
geser-uc -us04:14
emiri_thanks I try04:14
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emiri_I have my .deb without signature04:20
emiri_but I can't no longer clean the source04:21
emiri_if I do "fakeroot debian/rules clean"04:21
emiri_I find the following error:04:22
emiri_Trying reverse patch debian/patches/01-fix-gtk-breakage.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.04:22
emiri_how can I clean the source+patch to do another job?04:23
emiri_such as a new source package with the changes (for example)04:23
emiri_there's another way to clean the source?04:29
geserhave you modified the file this patch patches?04:30
emiri_yes, I have executed the "cdbs-edit-patch" command04:31
emiri_logged in a console04:31
emiri_edit and save the file04:31
emiri_and Control-D04:31
emiri_after this I have compiled the .deb file04:31
emiri_now I want to clean the compiled source to make a source .deb04:32
emiri_thats ok?04:33
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gesershould be, I don't see the error right now04:33
emiri_usually do you use "fakeroot debian/rules clean" to clean the source?04:34
geserI usually patch and build then the source package and let then a pbuilder build it04:34
geseryou could now save your patch outside the package dir and start from fresh04:35
geseryou need then only to copy back your saved patch to the patches dir again04:36
emiri_pbuilder build packageName?04:37
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geserpbuilder build package.dsc04:39
emiri_I try04:40
emiri_it is instally many packages04:41
emiri_excuse-me, instally->installing04:41
emiri_"No package 'gtk+-2.0' found"04:42
emiri_it may look for libgtk+-2.004:42
emiri_but it looks for gtk+-2.004:42
emiri_I thing the tuto its a bit out-of-date04:43
emiri_I have to edit debian/control file?04:44
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geseremiri_: is that from running configure?04:48
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luisbgIT Crowd 2x2 is out!05:05
FujitsuOoh, didn't know 2x had started.05:07
StevenKNeither did I.05:11
FujitsuProbably won't get it in .au for a few months.05:12
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sorenScottK: Thanks for the ack on system-config-samba05:13
ScottKsoren: No problem.  I agree it's something we really need.05:13
FujitsuSounds nice and shiny.05:14
ScottKStevenK and soren: There are a number of UVFe's that I think are reasonable looking for a 2nd ack, so I'd commend the queue to you for a look...05:14
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sorenScottK: First thing Monday morning.05:14
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sorenScottK: I've got a huge backlog of real world shit to take care of after my holiday, too.05:15
StevenKScottK: I was planning to sleep, it being 1:20am05:15
StevenKScottK: In other news, http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/requestsync.py05:16
ScottKMost of them are sync's so now or Monday doesn't may much difference.05:16
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StevenKScottK: Please test that -k works before I upload it.05:16
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FujitsuDamn, 2x2 will take >1h :(05:18
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ScottKStevenK: Does not appear to be working for me.  Let me investigate.05:25
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StevenKScottK: I add -r <keyid> to the gpg command line. I'm not certain if that is the right option.05:27
ScottKI'm reading man gpg right now and I don't think it is.05:28
ScottKFrom that man page that looks like an encryption recipient thing.05:28
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ScottKStevenK: -u05:29
StevenKScottK: Since it's a one-char change: the line number in question is 155, s/-r/-u/05:30
ScottKYes and it works.05:30
ScottKYou've also got an extraneous debug print statement left in there too.05:31
StevenKNoted and killed, ta.05:31
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ScottKThis is a separate feature request that just ocurred to me...05:32
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ScottKIf DEBEMAIL isn't set properly the script dies on the assert myemailaddress05:32
ScottKIt would be handy to trap that error and raise a useful error message.05:33
ScottKRight now it just says "AssertionError"05:34
ScottKMaybe something for the next upload ...05:34
StevenKI haven't uploaded yet, and it sounds like a short change05:35
ScottKWould you rather just do it or I give you a diff?05:36
ScottKIt'll be ~ 3 lines05:36
StevenKI've just done it.05:38
StevenKBut thanks for the offer. :-)05:38
ScottKOK.  Not a problem.05:38
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StevenKScottK: I'll upload devscripts after I get up.05:40
ScottKSounds good.05:41
ScottKHavd a good night.05:41
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ScottKsoren: Are you there?05:51
sorenScottK: Yes?05:54
ScottKsoren: I'm looking at the samba config thing now.05:54
ScottKWhy XS-Python-Version: current?05:54
sorenEither someone told me to, or I copied it from a similar package.05:55
sorenI packaged it months ago, you see.05:55
ScottKI see.05:55
sorenIt's a good question, though.05:55
ScottKI've seen Debian Python experts get in deep arguements about what current means/should mean.05:56
ScottKIf the poeple that are writing the tools can't agree on the semantics of current (and it doesn't appear to me that they can), I think it should be avoided.05:56
sorenI still haven't quite wrapped my head around the difference between current and all.05:56
POX_ScottK: use it if you want to compile pyc files for one Python version only05:56
POX_it's useful for python applications05:57
POX_python modules should be compiled for all supported (and installed) Python versions05:57
ScottKWhy would you not want to do the same for apps?05:58
sorenPOX_: I just don't quite understand how the statement "I believe this package will work with whatever is current at any given time" is different from "I believe this package can work with any version".05:58
POX_if app is using /usr/bin/python, why shoul it's modules be compiled for other python versions?05:58
POX_it's just a waste of space05:58
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ScottKGood morning mohammad06:00
mohammadGood morning ScottK06:00
mohammadit seems that the binary of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ttf-sil-scheherazade has not been generated yet. is that ok?06:01
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POX_soren: the difference is that you will not have pyc files compiled for python2.3, python2.4 and python2.6 if you use python2.5 only06:01
ScottKmohammad: ttf-sil-scheherazade is now in Binary NEW, this means the source was accepted: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=006:02
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ScottKOnce the binary is accepted, please file a removal request for ttf-scheherazade06:02
ScottKPOX_: So I guess it's a tradeoff between do you want the app compiled for all installed Python versions versus just one.  Disk space versus performance if someone uses the non-default Python.06:03
mohammadhow can I file this removal request? is there any special form?06:03
ScottKmohammad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Removal06:04
ScottKWe'll want to do a revision to zekr removing the dependency first.06:05
ScottKsoren: I guess my view tends to be that disk space is cheap, so why not make .pyc for all installed Python versions.06:05
POX_ScottK: if someone uses non-default Python version, he will not be able to use this module, other python versions will simply not see it06:06
POX_if module can be used outside application, sure - compile it for all versions06:06
ScottKPOX_: Thanks.06:07
mohammadScottK: Nicolas Spalinger asked me to synch ttf-sil-scheherazade in Ubuntu with http://yosch.org/packages/debian/ . Should I wait until the binary of ttf-sil-scheherazade be accepted?06:08
ScottKmohammad: Let me look.06:09
yoschmohammad, ScottK: hi guys06:09
yoschactually there are no changes between the package as uploaded to Debian and the one on my personal website06:09
yoschand thanks for the quick reaction :)06:10
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ScottKIf it's in Debian and the upstream source is the same version, it should'n't be a problem to sync it.  I would wait until after it gets out of Binary NEW.06:10
yoschScottK: ideally we should aim at reducing the deltas between font packages between Debian and Ubuntu (and other derivatives)06:10
mohammadyosch: ok, but I think you sent me an email regarding the synch a few minutes ago.06:11
ScottKyosch: I agree.  In general the smaller the diff with Debian, the better for both Ubuntu and Debian.06:11
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mohammadyosch: I think in debian/ttf-sil-scheherazade.defoma-hints Farsi should be replaced by Persian06:12
sorenScottK: I suppose all would make more sense, then. I've already uploaded it, so I'll wait until it gets through NEW.06:13
yoschmohammad: sorry. A bit confused here...06:14
ScottKyosch: mohammad and I argued about this the other day.06:15
yoschmohammad: the sync was to keep packages similar but the package I see in the queue has an ubuntu tag.06:15
mohammadyosch: I am a persian native speaker, and as far as I know the official name of our language in English is Persian06:15
ScottKsoren: It's also be nice if you added comments in your patches DP# ...06:16
ScottKyosch: Once we sync from Debian, that will go away.06:16
yoschScottK: OK got it.06:16
ScottKmohammad: In general, there should be a good reason to maintain a difference between Debian and Ubuntu.  Since yosch is the Debian maintainer, I expect that Ubuntu will respect his choice on this.  So whatever he decides is fine here.06:18
ScottKEach time there is an Ubuntu unique revision, it means more manual work by people who are already busy.06:18
yoschmohammad: about the defoma hints. ISO 639-3 is "pes", I see alternate names:  Persian, New Persian, Parsi, Irani06:19
mohammadI agree to use the debian package :)06:19
yoschmohammad: but you're the native speaker, we can change if needed06:19
mohammadjust take a look here: http://osdir.com/ml/misc.persiancomputing/2004-06/msg00158.html06:19
yoschScottK: mohammad has nicely agreed to join the fonts team and help the overall font efforts :)06:20
ScottKSounds great.06:20
yoschmohammad: but I admit defoma is still misterious to me...06:20
ScottKThe more of this work gets done in Debian, the better for all of us.06:21
yoschthe goal is to enable the language communities to have good fonts and have packaging that make sense and is easier to maintain long term06:21
yoschScottK: yep teamwork06:22
mohammadyosch, ScottK: I have to go, see you later06:23
ScottKSee you later.06:23
yoschmohammad: OK bye06:24
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LaserJockhi Nafallo06:38
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Nafallohow much resources is needed for an ubuntuwirebox?06:38
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=== Nafallo looks for what it might cost to put one online, so input would be appreciated.
Nafalloimbrandon: awake? ;-)06:48
Nafallowould C2D suffice or would C2Q be better? x86 + x86-64 builders06:50
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LaserJockI think anything that boots would suffice ;-)06:51
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Nafalloif I would do this I would want to do it proper.06:52
LaserJockNafallo: maybe send imbrandon an email06:53
Nafalloprobably place the server in the same building where Canonical has their servers as well.06:53
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NafalloLaserJock: good idea.06:54
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Nafallodo we need ubuntuwire now that PPA is in place btw?07:02
LaserJockPPA is only i386 and amd6407:05
LaserJockand I'm starting to wonder if the build queue is going to be a problem07:06
LaserJockcbx33 uploaded a small package to his PPA yesterday and it took over 2hr before it got to the buildds07:06
geserand you can't debug an FTBFS on an arch you don't have on PPA07:06
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Nafallothe box I'm thinking of would be x86 and x86_64 as well07:09
LaserJockI think anything we get will be put to use07:10
Nafallooki :-)07:10
LaserJockbut it might be good to discuss it with a larger set of the team07:10
LaserJockI personally don't know how much the current machines are being used07:10
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Nafalloagreed, and get pricing before I promise anything :-)07:11
LaserJockother than I know sparky has been running REVU for us07:11
NafalloI think the current machines are offline, no?07:11
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Nafallo3wared RAID10 with WD RE2 at least.07:13
Nafallothat is probably as far as my spec has landed :-P07:13
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norsettohello any and all07:14
Nafalloand I would make sure it's in the same building as Canonicals racks07:15
LaserJockwahoo, we are gonna have a good Behind MOTU interview07:15
norsettoLaserJock: hmmm, I thought they were all good ....07:16
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LaserJockwell, they are07:16
LaserJockbut it's been a while07:16
LaserJockand this will  be a good one07:16
norsettoLaserJock: is she good looking :-)07:17
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LaserJockno, I wouldn't necessarily call him good looking. I'm sure his girlfriend would though ;-)07:18
zulargh...baby is on acid or something07:18
norsettohow is sciovinist spelled? if I have to die for it at least I would like to be able to write it properly07:19
LaserJockzul: you're giving your baby acid?07:19
zulLaserJock: hes acting like he is on acid07:20
LaserJockyou guys don't have any pot smokers around do you? :-)07:20
zulumm...no of course not07:21
norsettochauvinist ... who would have thought07:21
ubotujdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!07:22
jdongwho rang?07:22
norsetto.me hides behind laserjock07:22
Nafallojdong: hi :-)07:23
jdonghi :)07:23
norsettoanyone feel like reviewing an easy one on REVU?07:23
Nafallojdong: now that you're here. what's a good ubuntuwire box for x86 x86_64 when speaking resources?07:24
norsettojust in case: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=197. It should be an easy one07:25
norsettozul: thx for the ditto07:25
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zulnorsetto: np07:26
jdongNafallo: hmm, sorry, I woudln't know....07:27
Nafallojdong: thought you built a lot of stuff :-P07:27
geserNafallo: it can't never be to big07:27
norsettogeser: hi there07:29
\shhey guys, if anyone has time, and is so nice to sponsor some uploads...please see bug 136544 , bug 136547 and bug 136552 , thx :)07:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136544 in etoken "[FTBFS]  etoken " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13654407:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136547 in fxload "[FTBFS]  fxload (needs to be synced)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13654707:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136552 in galculator "[FTBFS]  galculator " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13655207:29
Nafallogeser: I know :-P07:30
Nafallogeser: but I should be able to afford it as well ;-)07:30
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geserHi norsetto07:31
geser\sh: can you subscribe u-u-s the next time so it doesn't get lost?07:32
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\shgeser, u-u-s?07:32
norsettozul: for bug 131325: just to be sure, is it ok for me to send the package to REVU for review? Or should I wait until the bug report is confirmed?07:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13132507:36
\shok..now switching to windows and fireing up css07:37
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xtknighta package can still be in universe if the maintainer is Ubuntu Core developers ?  i was under impression that these packages would be main but is that not always the case?  Ubotu is saying universe for qt4-qtconfig07:50
norsettoxtknight: the criteria for the package to be in a certain repository is not related to the maintainer07:51
geserxtknight: a source package can be in main but a binary package in universe07:52
xtknightis ubotu giving the location of the src package or the binary package?  since the debdiff would be of the source package qt4-x11?  (ubotu doesn't have qt4-x11 in its memory, though)07:52
xtknighta bit confused, i guess qt4-qtconfig is the binary and qt4-x11 is the source.  Bug 13642507:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136425 in qt4-x11 "qtconfig-qt4 in Accessories?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13642507:53
xtknighti had a debdiff ready just not sure to subscribe ubuntu motu or ubuntu main07:53
geserubotu knows only binary package (see also bug #135690)07:54
xtknightBug 13569007:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135690 in ubuntu-bots "ubotu doesn't handle source packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13569007:54
norsettoxtknight: yes, qt4-x11 is a source package which provides, amongst others, qt4-qtconfig07:55
xtknightk, packages.ubuntu.com has qt4-x11.  it's universe07:55
LaserJockI filed a bug against ubotu for that, btw07:55
xtknightwell, it was for dapper.  it's not mentioned for gutsy.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/source/qt4-x1107:56
norsettoxtknight: qt4-x11 is reported in main07:56
xtknightok so it was universe in dapper, main for gutsy07:56
norsettoxtknight: yes, its main for gutsy07:56
norsettoxtknight: and indeed universe for dapper07:56
norsettothis package too: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200 could do with some reviewing07:59
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LaserJockok everybody08:07
LaserJockBehind MOTU is up!08:08
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sorenScottK: I thought the dpatches were pretty self-explanatory, actually. Anything in particular in there that isn't?08:13
ScottKsoren: I could tell what they were from looking at them and the changelog, I just think it's a good general practice to say something in the dpatch comment line.  Not a big deal.08:18
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jdongLutin: hey are we gonna get ffmpeg medibuntu for gutsy? :)08:46
Lutinjdong: hopefully yes :)08:46
jdongLutin: fantastic08:47
Lutinjdong: although I don't know when ... we're quite busy with gutsy stuff atm ;)08:47
jdongLutin: okay, no rush08:48
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ScottKnorsetto: Ping08:58
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ScottKnorsetto: There's a new clamav revision from Debian, but with a little changelog fiddling your patch applied, so I'm using it and leaving your name on it.09:13
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norsettoScottK: as you wish, you can also use your name, I don't mind at all09:24
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norsettoWhat would you guys say about a package that has its own copy of a library that its already in the repositories (although two different snapshots with some API incompatibilities).09:36
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gesernorsetto: for a security point of view the external copy should be used if possible09:39
norsettogeser: external you mean, the self shipped one?09:40
broonieNo, you want to minimise the number of live copies of the library in the archive.09:43
crimsunnorsetto: meaning don't use the bundled one if at all possible.09:44
broonieThat way if there's a security problem in the library only one copy has to be updated.09:44
norsettobroonie, crimsun: I'm glad to hear it, it confirms what I think. But let me play the devil's advocate for a moment. In this case, we carry and old snapshot (09/06) while for this package the developer wants to use a more recent snapshot (08/07) otherwise his package will not work (or might not work totally correctly). The problem is that this lib (libspeex) is unstanble, and the API is still in development.09:47
norsettobroonie, crimsun: would it make sense to update our library too? Should we wait until the API is stable? Or we just impose our version upstream?09:48
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norsettobroonie, crimsun: let me add that our version is in sync with Debian09:52
crimsunI think it would be very unwise to bundle a snapshot if we were in the 8.04 LTS dev cycle.  Given that we're not, I'm a bit less rigid.  You should assess how risky it will be to bundle a snapshot where the API is known to be a moving target.09:53
crimsun1) Despite -backports and -updates being options, we should act as if binary packages will only be installed once and not updated via any mechanism.  Will the program using the libspeex snapshot be stable and useful for 18 months?09:56
norsettocrimsun: perhaps we can be pragmatic, the supposedly stable api is now in beta, so it could make sense to wait until this is officially released, which should be in time for 8.0409:57
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gesernorsetto: given that libspeex1 has some rdepends, it's questionable if updating libspeex is a wise option09:58
crimsun2) Since our resources for Universe are limited, remaining synced with Debian's source versions poses less of a risk, generally, than bundling our own.09:58
crimsun3) Since speex is a main source package, my opinion is that we should not bundle further updates of our (Ubuntu) own this late in this dev cycle.09:59
crimsun[to which geser has alluded] 09:59
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norsettothanks, I think I have enough munitions10:04
norsettosorry, I forgot to give the bug number. Its bug 129081; I'm summarising the result of our discussion here, feel free to add to it if you think it necessary10:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Mumble" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12908110:08
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xtknightwhat should i do about bugs like this?  Bug 136641 and 136643    they say that SVN fixes an issue, does that mean we should update mono to svn, or does it mean we should find which patch fixed the problem and backport it to the current version?10:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136641 in mono "Mono: Exception attempting to join IPv6 multicast group" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13664110:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136643 in mono "Mono: System.Net.Sockets.SocketOptionName 0xe is not supported at IPv6 level" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13664310:20
LaserJockxtknight: the latter at this point10:20
xtknightif i try and work on it, should be "In Progress" and assigned to me?10:21
xtknightLaserJock, now there will probably be two patches for both of these.  do i need to a debdiff for each or should i just do one debdiff and do both at once?  (since if the package is updated my same old debdiff may have trouble applying)10:22
LaserJockone debdiff should suffice10:23
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xtknightone debdiff that fixes both at once?10:24
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norsettoLaserJock: I thought BMOTU was out already!?10:26
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geserxtknight: I haven't checked if mono uses a patch system but if yes: put each fix into an own patch but you can provide only one debdiff for both bugs (containing both patch files)10:28
xtknightgeser, ok10:29
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norsettoLaserJock: http://laserjock.us/files/geser_screenshot.jpg => Page not found (geser: only 2 desktops: booooo :-))10:34
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cbx33ping imbrandon10:36
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ScottKnorsetto: Uploaded already.  Used your name since you did all the work.10:36
norsettoScottK: actually, you did it, but never mind10:37
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=== ScottK applied your patch. That's all.
norsettoscottK: well, my patch its your stuff (I only added the dependancies changes)10:38
ScottKnorsetto: If you are feeling guilty, expunge your guilt by filing Debian bugs on the differences .... ;-)10:38
ScottKWow.  It even built for lpia already....10:39
norsettosuperm1: if you ever read this, your desk is a shame on the hackers category (not even a crust of old pizza....)10:39
norsettoscottK; hehe, you volunteered already to file that bug :-D10:41
=== ScottK doesn't remember that.
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LaserJocknorsetto: where was that link?11:06
norsettolaserjock: geser's interview I think11:07
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norsettoscottK: do you remember by any chance which executable required libcurl? Can't find any with ldd :-(11:12
LaserJocknorsetto: k, fixed11:13
ScottKIn clamav?11:15
norsettoscottK: yes11:15
ScottKnorsetto: ^^11:15
ScottKIt was all the ones that I listed the dependency for it (3 IIRC).11:16
ScottKI confess to guessing on the -dev dependency11:16
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prakis there a piklab on the list?11:17
norsettoscottK: these 3 then: clamav-freshclam, clamav-milter, clamav-daemon. I didn't check the last two yet, but freshclam seems libcurl free11:18
nixternalwoo, new behind motu :)11:19
ScottKnorsetto: clamd definitely died with no libcurl.11:21
norsettocesare@desktop:~/clamav/clamav-0.91.2$ ldd /usr/sbin/clamd11:22
norsetto        libclamav.so.2 => /usr/lib/libclamav.so.2 (0x00002b4091987000)11:22
norsetto        libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x00002b4091c26000)11:22
norsetto        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002b4091e3f000)11:22
norsetto        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002b409205a000)11:22
norsetto        libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00002b40923b6000)11:22
ScottKMaybe it got fixed in the 0.91.2 release.  The 0.91 changelog claimed they had dropped libcurl.11:22
norsetto        libbz2.so.1.0 => /lib/libbz2.so.1.0 (0x00002b40925cd000)11:22
norsetto        libgmp.so.3 => /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 (0x00002b40927dd000)11:22
norsetto        /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00002b4091769000)11:22
joejaxxnorsetto: please use pastebin11:22
norsettojoejaxx: sorry11:22
ScottKnorsetto: Force remove libcurl and start clamd.  If it doesn't die, then I'll believe ldd.11:23
joejaxxnorsetto: no problem :)11:23
joejaxxnixternal: where do you see the new behind motu?11:23
nixternalplanet ubuntu11:23
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norsettoScottK: if I remove libcurl I remove half of my packages too .....11:25
ScottKOK.  Let me try.11:25
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ScottKnorsetto: I see what you mean.11:36
prakis there a piklab on the list?11:37
ScottKI'm building a non curl version now.  I should be able to install that on another machine that doesn't have X11:37
prakfor the deb packages?11:37
prakor any plans of doing so?11:37
ScottKprak: Are you asking if anyone has packaged it?11:37
prakor planning to package it?11:38
praki used to be able to look it up on adept/synaptic, but can't do it anymore11:38
ScottKHmm.  I didn't see it on Launchpad, so I don't think it's packaged.11:38
ScottKFor Gutsy, we are not accepting new packages anymore.11:39
norsettoscottK: yeah, I've build one too11:39
prakScottK: ok11:39
Babywhich package?11:39
ScottKprak: I don't see a needs-packaging bug either, so I doubt anyone has plans.11:40
ScottKBaby: piklab11:40
Babyhmmm it is for pic processors, isn't it?11:40
ScottKprak: ^^^11:40
Babyit would be nice to have piklab in debian too, btw11:42
Babydoesn't seem to be there11:42
geserMOTU now also maintains packages in Debian?11:45
Babynope, afaik11:46
Babybut i'm interested in PICs :)11:46
norsettogeser: U = Universe .....11:46
Babyso I'll probably file an ITP for that11:46
ScottKIt would be nice if someone would make that stop.11:47
Babystop what?11:48
ScottKdoko apparently uploaded something to Debian with MOTU still set as maintainer.11:49
ScottKdoko: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-snapshot.html11:49
ScottKSo our mailing list is getting the bugmail.11:49
dokoScottK: shit happens11:51
ScottKIt does.11:51
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Babyprak: I'll probably package piklab for Debian, I've just emailed upstream about that, so I guess it'll enter Ubuntu afterwards11:57
Babyif anyone else is interested in packaging it, please get in contact with me :)11:57
prakBaby: how long do you think it will take?11:57
prakand will it be in the Debian repository?11:58
Babyprobably 2 or 3 weeks11:58
Babyand then whatever it takes to Ubuntu to syncronize with Debian SID11:59
ScottKFor Ubuntu it won't be until after Gutsy releases.11:59
Babyyup I guess so11:59
Babybut I don't know how much time that'll be12:00
Babypiklab seems a really cool program12:00
Babyi didn't know about it12:00
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prakBaby: it looks like it's the only program which supports my current PIC programmer12:01
prakin linux12:01
prakI've been having problems with mplab and PicKit 2 programs in Windows12:01
prakalways freezes12:02
ScottKNote that once stuff is uploaded to the "Hardy Herron" repositories, it can be backported to gutsy-backports after Gutsy is released.12:03
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Babyprak: once I have it ready, in one or two weeks, we can port it to gutsy and try it in your system if you want12:07
prakBaby: thank you12:07
Babythere's already a quick and dirty package for it, it seems12:08
Babyso i won't have to start from scratch12:08
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prakwhat do you mean, Baby?12:14
ubotuDebian bug 387703 in wnpp "RFP: piklab -- IDE for PIC and dsPIC microcontrollers" [Wishlist,Open] 12:15
Babybut it doesn't even have the build-dependencies OK12:17
prakwhat do you mean about the build-dependencies?12:18
Babyif you want to create the binary package from the source12:18
Babyanyway, enough for today :)12:19
Babygoodnight all!12:19
norsettobye bye12:20
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prakBaby: turns out that i can install a older version of piklab that has a deb package12:23
prakthanks for your help12:23
norsettotime to go12:29
norsettog'bye all, good luck scottK ;-)12:30
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