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[01:26] Hi Fujitsu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-077-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] hey Fujitsu [01:29] Hi geser, jrib. === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] hi hi hi MOTU Land! [01:46] Hi LaserJock [01:48] Hi LaserJock. [01:48] Fujitsu!! [01:48] hi geser [01:48] Fujitsu: you still doing MOTU Science lists? === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon yawns [01:50] hi imbrandon [01:50] heya LaserJock [01:50] LaserJock: What kind of lists? [01:50] Hi imbrandon. [01:50] Fujitsu: the mdt and bug lists === geser says good night to everybody and goes to bed [01:50] MDT: yes. Bugs: I don't think so... the script broke, and we can do it in the normal interface anyway. [01:51] geser: Night. [01:51] Fujitsu: I don't like the normal interface [01:51] but that's a small thing [01:51] the mdt lists are a bigger deal [01:51] I'll see how broken the bug thing is. [01:51] But as far as I know mdt is still going fine. [01:51] I can make the lists, but I can't really cron it [01:52] as my server isn't running Debian/Ubuntu [01:52] Ah. [01:52] I was fortunately on one of the ServerPronto servers that wasn't compromised. [01:52] We've had a pretty good security policy from the start. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-035-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] LaserJock: Back up at http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/motuscience/bugs/ [01:58] Fujitsu: excellent [01:59] LaserJock: Do we want to kill of scigraphica like Debian? [01:59] *off [02:00] oh, did they finally get rid of it? [02:00] We've only got the two nasty bugs. [02:00] They did. [02:00] Debian bug #438774 [02:00] Debian bug 438774 in ftp.debian.org "RM: scigraphica -- RoQA; unmaintained; dead upstream" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/438774 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] Fujitsu: sounds reasonable to me === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] Ah, and textopo can die too, as it's replaced by texlive-science. === Fujitsu requests them. === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-d4f4b9eb0374b8d6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn137.78-98-1.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-32-169.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kompozer [n=rcazenav@d83-179-57-68.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kompozer [n=rcazenav@d83-179-57-68.cust.tele2.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisle [n=chris@e178127052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cpro1 [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej_ [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scott_ [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] Heya gang [04:32] Hola [04:32] hola Barryson [04:32] Heh, hi justinwray, LaserJock [04:32] Hi bddebian. [04:33] Heya Fujitsu [04:33] Now why the heck would the binaries of jmagick end up in NEW? [04:37] bddebian: It has never built before. [04:38] We got it building rather then removing it? So I wasn't entirely on crack? === tonyyarusso saw they built some more stuff today, but not the various source packages from this week :( [04:39] tonyyarusso: `they'? [04:41] Fujitsu: Yeah, even though the Debian changelog said it added a b-d for kaffe-dev, they didn't. All I had to do was change the kaffe b-d to kaffe-dev [04:41] Fujitsu: archive gods [04:45] The archive guys don't build things... [04:45] i.e. LP cron jobs === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-023-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] Fujitsu: They "approve" or some such, right? I don't know...there's some sort of step between sitting in +queue and sitting in +builds === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros_ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] tonyyarusso: Ah, they approve sources from NEW, but only if they're NEW. [05:04] Fujitsu: Ah. [05:05] Fujitsu: So then some sort of "A Okay" tag gets thrown on, and the auto-building stuff looks for that? === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:11] tonyyarusso: The package is approved from NEW, moves to ACCEPTED, then to DONE, then the build-queuer sees it and queues builds. [05:12] Fujitsu: How can you view those different stages on LP ? [05:12] tonyyarusso: /ubuntu/gutsy/+queue, the dropdown at the top. [05:13] Fujitsu: Ooooh (My eyes always ignore helpful dropdowns on LP for some reason - this happens a lot) [05:13] Mhm. [05:14] so mine's not even accepted yet :( [05:14] Sources can sit in new for a while. === tonyyarusso magically invents more Canonical employees === apachelogger__ [n=me@N813P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] Now, when things are accepted or rejected, is any sort of comment attached? === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] tonyyarusso: NAFAIK === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] ok [05:26] Is there a way to specify to requestsync which GPG key/email address to use? [05:29] Speaking of GPG keys...I could use some advice: [05:29] is there a guide to making an orig.tar.gz? do you just tar.gz up the folder into the tar? e.g. asdf.tar.gz\asdf\[source files are here] ? or, asdf.tar.gz\[source files are here] (omitting redundant dir name)? [05:29] You do not want the redundant sub-dir, no [05:29] likewise speaking of gpg keys i was wondering what happens if you lose the key you made for yourself. are you doomed? (not that i did) [05:30] I have to use a mobile drive for school - it's a real 3.5" hard drive, installed into a removable tray, which then fits into a rack that installs into any 5 1/4" bay. This means I can boot my systems on any computer at school. Should I create a GPG key on there for those purposes I may use it for, or just avoid it altogether b/c of the security risk? [05:30] xtknight: You should have a backup, but if you lose either your secret key or the passphrase, you need to make a new one. [05:30] I anticipate that this drive will never leave my sight, but I'm not 100% sure. [05:30] ScottK, what if i remember the PW i just didn't export the public or private key? [05:31] e.g. data loss [05:31] You need to have the private key or you need to start over. [05:31] if i start over, won't they think im an imposter? [05:31] Who? [05:31] "they" being? [05:31] For LP, just add the new key to your LP ID. [05:31] ah ok [05:32] the point of signing something is so that they know it's "you". if i created a new key all of a sudden that didnt match any of my previous ones, that probably wouldnt go over too well. [05:32] As long as it's in LP, LP won't care. [05:32] k === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] how would you make a .diff.gz? [05:41] does that sound good? "diff -u ../orig/hugin/ hugin > hugin_0.7~svn2420.diff.gz" [05:41] xtknight: debuild [05:41] Or dpkg-buildpackage [05:42] Fujitsu, oh so debuild will make it once i give it the orig in ../ ? [05:42] xtknight: yeah [05:42] cool beans :) [05:42] Is there a better replacement for j2re1.4? [05:42] (how do debuild and dpkg-buildpackage differ?) [05:42] bddebian: Yeah. Not java. [05:43] Fujitsu: Well that's obvious, but besides that :-) [05:43] tonyyarusso: debuild does some build environment cleaning and various other magic... it's basically a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage. [05:43] Fujitsu: so debuild would be preferred then. [05:43] debuild is *the* way to go [05:43] pdebuild too [05:44] I don't know why people use dpkg-buildpackage [05:44] now if i'm updating "somebody else"'s package, should the maintainer be him, me, or Ubuntu MOTU? The XSBC-Orig should still be the first Debian maintainer of the package? [05:44] debuild is shorter [05:44] LaserJock: I do :-) [05:44] zakame: sbuild > pbuilder [05:44] I'm old and crusty ya know :-) [05:44] bddebian: well, we know you are special [05:44] ;-) [05:44] That's spethial ;-P [05:45] So let me ask differently. Is there a runtime match for gcj ? [05:45] gij? [05:45] Fujitsu: right [05:45] I like pbuilder [05:45] I need to try sbuild out, but I've just not had time [05:45] but I still find pdebuild/cowdancer easier to set up [05:45] but I don't use LVM so I'm not sure why it would be that much better [05:46] Fujitsu: But that's just the interpreter. It doesn't include a vm right? [05:47] I wonder if kaffe would work [05:47] bddebian: No idea. I don't do Java. [05:47] Me either :-( [05:49] bddebian: there is no better replacement for any of the sun java components [05:49] blackdown was the closest on the jre side [05:49] j2re1.4 is blackdown isn't it? [05:50] that's why I just won't deal with Java until Sun open sources their stuff [05:50] it's just to messy for me to get straight [05:50] blackdown is something different I thought [05:51] I just use all of the java components right now because they are the only ones that work worth a darn for my java classes [05:51] LaserJock: I think part of the wiki still says dpkg-buildpackage, or I wouldn't have tried it. [05:51] !j2re1.4 [05:51] Sorry, I don't know anything about j2re1.4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [05:51] pfft [05:51] blackdown is still sun java right? [05:51] well, it's not a "still" thing. Some people prefer dpkg-buildpackage it seems [05:51] !jre [05:51] Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [05:51] !java [05:51] To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre [05:52] ahh, you are right about blackdown [05:52] j2* is blackdown === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-106.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] Well freemind fails to build with j2sdk1.4. I can build it with gcj but I don't know what that will do to the runtime environment [05:57] StevenK: If I came up with a patch for requestsync to add the equivalent of -k in dpkg-buildpackage, would you take the patch? [05:58] Not saying on what schedule, but I'll add it to the TODO if you're good with the idea. [06:00] Freemind is going into gutsy? [06:00] It's already in but FTBFSs [06:01] Fun. Hope it gets fixed - could be useful. [06:01] Well as I said, I can build it with gcj but that doesn't help the runtime environment [06:02] bddebian: Have you talked to Eric Lavarde yet? [06:02] Nope === ScottK senses tonyyarusso about to volunteer... [06:02] bddebian: Seems to manage it in Debian, according to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/text/freemind [06:02] Yep [06:04] bddebian: Have you been able to compare your source packages yet? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] tonyyarusso: ?? [06:05] bddebian: Were you working from his, or starting from scratch? === tonyyarusso is spewing ideas - maybe there's something in there we don't know yet? [06:06] tonyyarusso: It was synced from Debian. Same version === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-027-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] bddebian: oh. nvm me then :S [06:08] :-) [06:09] what tells debian to make multiple debs for one source package? [06:09] debian/control [06:09] how does it know which files to give to each deb? [06:10] There is 1 source entry and x binary package entries [06:10] Oh [06:10] Depends on the packaging type [06:10] hmm [06:10] generally you can use a .install file [06:11] so like binarypackage1.install binarypackage2.install [06:11] if you are using debhelper/cdbs [06:11] .install is a static thing that it always looks for, i assume? [06:11] i dont see .install referenced [06:11] debian/*.install [06:11] there isn't a .install file in debian/ ? [06:11] They are inside the debian/ dir as well === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] crimsun!!! [06:11] holy cow! [06:11] there is, but what tells it to look at .install and not .destroy? :) [06:12] dh_install is a debhelper script [06:12] it always has to be "binarypkg.install"? [06:12] and it know to look at .install [06:12] heh === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] well, if you don't have to distinguish you can do just install [06:13] but yeah, if you have multiple binaries you do .install [06:13] crimsun: nice to see you are still alive [06:14] !info polipo gutsy === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] polipo: a small, caching web proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 186 kB, installed size 800 kB [06:14] someone might want to look into an upgrade for polipo [06:15] ho hum [06:15] to 1.0.2-1? [06:15] !info backup-manager gutsy [06:15] backup-manager: command-line backup tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-1 (gutsy), package size 111 kB, installed size 604 kB [06:15] crimsun: that is the version, which is marked as fixed, yes [06:15] ok what is ${shlibs:Depends} replaced by? [06:15] backup-manager to 0.7.6-3 [06:16] !info mapserver gutsy [06:16] Package mapserver does not exist in gutsy [06:16] likely just needs UVF exception requests [06:16] !info perl-mapscript gutsy [06:16] perl-mapscript: perl mapserver library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.10.2-1 (gutsy), package size 699 kB, installed size 2048 kB [06:16] I've been away most of this dev cycle, so I'm not 100% on the protocol [06:17] mapserver to 4.10.3-1 , but the patch could probably be backportet [06:20] white: do you have time to file bugs? [06:20] white: if so tag them with "upgrade" === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] LaserJock: white serves as a communication device from Debian to Ubuntu. AFAIK he doesn't actually do stuff like that. [06:22] communication is much nicer via bugs than IRC though [06:22] or at least email [06:23] but I realize he probably doesn't have a lot of time, hence my first question === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] Sure. Just saying. [06:24] Maybe there's a motu hopeful here that would be willing to file bugs ... === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] LaserJock: nope, sorry just wanted to forward the stuff from last night and after i upload the bugzilla NMU i need to study a bit :/ [06:25] no problemo [06:26] Yes lord knows we need more bugs :-) [06:26] well you two are 2/3 of the trinity, so that's a non-issue ;) [06:27] Hah, not anymore. I'm pretty much more useless than ever :-( === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] banshee's "shuffle playback mode" seems to be completely broken. [06:34] It neither is random nor covers all the songs. [06:35] I have five songs in my list, and banshee gives me 1->3->5->1->3->5... in this shuffle mode. [06:35] :-( [06:35] minghua: How do you know that's not random? === LaserJock thinks about the probability [06:36] Flannel: I am not exactly sure, but I can calculate the probability if you really want... [06:36] so dpkg-shlibdeps makes shlibs:Depends what does the misc Depends? [06:36] I think this is the fourth round it starts with no. 1. [06:37] xtknight: Please rephrase, I don't understand you question. [06:37] minghua, how do i get ${misc:Depends} ? [06:37] minghua: maybe you should go play the lottery if it keeps playing 1,3,5... [06:37] xtknight: ${misc:Depends} is added by different programs. [06:37] minghua, dpkg-shlibdeps made substvars that set ${shlibs:Depends}, but there is a ${misc:Depends} i need to set [06:38] (basically i'm using another package as a template and these variables don't exist anymore, i'm not sure how to create them for what's in the package now) [06:38] misc:Depends is used by debhelper [06:38] to add in stuff it needs [06:39] xtknight: For example, I believe dh_installdebconf adds debconf into ${misc:Depends}. === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-058-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} [06:40] ? [06:40] xtknight: Exactly what do you want to set ${misc:Depends} to? [06:40] that happened for shlibs. then i ran dpkg-shlibdeps and the shlibs error is gone. now i need to deal with misc [06:40] xtknight: If you don't need/use ${misc:Depends}, don't add it in Depends: line in debian/control. [06:40] minghua, hmm. i guess i dont. i can always check deps with pbuilder right? [06:41] xtknight: pbuilder usually only find problems in build dependencies, not (binary) dependencies. [06:41] i'm wondering where ${misc:Depends} is set, though. what tells debuild what the variable misc:Depends is ? i would like to take a look at what another pkg has this variable set to, for example [06:42] You really need to know your package to decide if you need ${misc:Depends} or not. [06:42] it's pretty small, so probably nothing [06:42] xtknight: After building, the value of ${misc:Depends} is in debian/.substvars. [06:42] ahh ok [06:43] if it installs and runs on a fresh chroot, the it Depends on nothing, is that righT? [06:44] or maybe if it needs a specific version of something === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] Okay, I got my no. 2 song. Never mind what I complained about banshee. [06:44] (I still suspect there is something wrong, though.) [06:44] what did shlibdeps do? didn't that just detect the dependencies of my binary package? [06:45] minghua: It's because it's actually random, not a shuffle. [06:45] I think you'll find that rhythmbox does an actual shuffle without replacement, but banshee doesn't (yet). [06:46] RAOF: Yeah, good point. Still many 1->3->5 rounds should be a rather small probability event... [06:46] Yes, rhythmbox's shuffle mode goes over all songs before starting next round. [06:46] minghua: That's actually really hard to determine :). [06:47] I'll report a bug after some more experimentation. [06:47] The next banshee release is getting an actual play queue as a part of it's huge rewriting. Maybe that'll turn "random" into "shuffle". [06:47] At least, there is a "call it random mode instead of shuffle mode" bug to report. [06:47] Point. [06:48] RAOF: Nice. Do you happen to know the ETA of next banshee release? [06:48] minghua: No. We've actually got all the code (it's in the 0.13.1 release we've currently got), it's just not hooked up to anything yet! [06:48] Hmm. [06:49] RAOF: Thanks for the explanation. === _czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-002-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] !info bugzilla gutsy [06:49] bugzilla: web-based bug tracking system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.22.1-2.1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 811 kB, installed size 4436 kB [06:49] Actually, the next banshee release should bring it pretty much up to parity with rhythmbox. There's a lot of performance work done, play queue, etc. [06:50] you might want to check out the NMU 2.22.1-2.2 [06:50] there was another CVE fixed [06:50] heah, is anybody writing this down? :-) [06:50] Eh, it's all logged :) [06:50] nmu should be a non-issue, since it's not an uv [06:51] LaserJock: actually it might be a good idea, if one MOTU would subscribe to the testing-security tracker list and maybe he and me could have a list somewhere, so you guys could work on syncing/merging it [06:51] RAOF: yeah, but people need to actually do it, you know ;-) [06:51] LaserJock: or someone subscribes to the whole crap i am saying here [06:51] anyway, see you later [06:51] thanks white [06:52] Yeah, thanks. [06:52] Any of you use/know audacious? [06:52] is that the audo editor app? [06:52] *audio [06:52] Yeah I think [06:52] Isn't that the xmms forky thing? [06:53] There's audacious & audacity, and they're two different projects, right? [06:53] yeah [06:53] maybe audacity is the audio editor [06:54] That's what aptitude thinks, too :) [06:54] Yeah audacious is a fork of xmms === josephdecock [n=jmdc@24-117-105-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] well i've got my package built with debuild. all goes well it is installs my program. but im having troubles with pbuilder, ./configure script permission denied. i think this is why: " dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'configure' will not be represented in diff." but how can i solve this? the orig.tar.gz uses a "bootstrap" that creates a configure file. [07:02] it installs my program* [07:04] xtknight: Don't put the configure script in .diff.gz, and run bootstrap at build time, is one option. [07:05] ok [07:05] minghua, the package of "hugin" (that i am updating) which is in gutsy uses a "configure" in its main dir which is why i went that route to begin with [07:06] xtknight: Is the configure script in gutsy package in .orig.tar.gz or .diff.gz? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-021-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] Gnight folks === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] minghua, well he put it in the orig [07:07] minghua, i don't think that is the "true" original though, because that orig file still has a bootstrap [07:08] my orig is a direct mirror of what i got off sourceforge === statik-pidgin [n=statik@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] xtknight: Are you packaging a new upstream? [07:09] !info hugin gutsy [07:09] hugin: a Panorama Tools GUI to make panoramas from multiple pictures. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7~beta4-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 132 kB === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === statik-pidgin [n=statik@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:09] minghua, ok a bit complicated. i am packaging part of "Hugin SVN", align_image_stack which needs to be built against Hugin SVN. it will not build against the hugin in there. so i made a new pkg with align_image_stack and all the updates headers it needs to compile. great, so with no dynamic libraries we're all set right? [07:10] ( i could not simply update hugin to hugin svn for regressions reasons ) [07:10] align_image_stack is only in Hugin svn [07:10] there is no release which contains it [07:11] xtknight: Honestly I don't see much point talking about updating a package to an SVN version at this stage of release cycle. [07:11] minghua, this is a different package, not an update [07:12] xtknight: It's essentially the same. I don't think it stands any chance of getting into gutsy. [07:12] minghua, ok well i wouldn't really like to explain the whole situation again. Bug 135111 [07:12] Launchpad bug 135111 in hugin "[UVFe] hugin svn needs packaged for qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135111 [07:13] basically i decided i could not update it because it may cause regressions (see last comment) [07:13] so instead i am making a new pkg to include the program i need, standalone [07:13] i think this is the best option for best user experience === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] in fact i should add this to the comments there to clarify things [07:14] sorry for the confusion === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] xtknight: I see the whole picture now. However you didn't put you new plan (two packages) in the bug report, and you haven't got approval yet. And this time you need a New Package Freeze exception, and I doubt the current UVF exception approval counts. [07:18] minghua, ok I have no problem filing for the New Package Freeze exception and ditching the previous UVFe idea. i would like the new program included in Gutsy (it is very small and depends on very little), but I don't want to cause regressions by needlessly updating hugin [07:19] xtknight: I understands you goal. However I don't think you approach is a good idea, and I wouldn't grant approval if I were the release manager. [07:20] minghua, how would you go about it? [07:21] xtknight: I would just bite the bullet and prepare the updated hugin and new package for hardy. [07:21] xtknight: Because in my opinion release pre-mature packages is worse than not release anything at all. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK if feeling kind of oogy about the whole thing right now. [07:22] since align_image_stack is in no hugin release then i will probably just forget about it, and make a new package once it is contained in a stable release which probably won't be until Hardy [07:23] it would save a lot of trouble but i don't see how the current solution is any worse than what was already approved [07:24] it would be the same code basically in a different package to avoid conflicts [07:24] "what is already approved" is not achieved yet. [07:25] In case it's not clear, my preference is "keeping the status quo", no updating hugin package, nor new hugin-svn package, everything can wait for hardy. [07:26] xtknight: You are on a different plan now than we acked. IMO you need to ask again. [07:26] ScottK, oh, i have no problem asking for a New Package approval instead, but i am confused about the resistance to my current plan [07:27] well i'll just do it and see what happens. if they think it will wait until Hardy they will disapprove it, right? [07:27] From my perspective, you asked for one thing and now you do another. [07:27] xtknight: I'm not a release manager (or motu-uvf team member?), so my resistance doesn't really matter. === ScottK has yet to form an opinion on the new option, but each trip to NEW takes a significant amount of archive admin time. [07:28] So it's not a freebie option. [07:28] xtknight: My suggestion would be "ask first". [07:29] don't know it is probably too much trouble than it's worth for everybody === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] xtknight: Off the top of my head, I'd say wait for Hardy. === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.141.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] That's my advice, not speaking as motu-uvg [07:33] err uvf [07:36] ScottK: Re: your patch for requestsync, why? [07:37] Because requestsync takes the first secret key on your keyring. [07:37] In my case, that's not the one I use for Ubuntu, so it's PITA. [07:38] Note that I don't have the patch yet, just the annoyance factor that may rise into motivation. === josephdecock [n=jmdc@24-117-105-29.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:41] I think I should get to bed. Good night all. [07:42] g'night === _czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-003-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] ScottK: Drat, I missed you since I was putting shopping away. I'm happy to wait for a patch. If you have any trouble writting it, I'm happy to fix/debug, too. [07:50] ScottK, minghua thank you for your thoughts. i will see what my mentor thinks but most likely i will wait until Hardy [07:50] xtknight: You are welcome. [07:50] i wasn't too happy about this but worst case i can put up a page about "how to get qtpfsgui" working in ubuntu on the forums, etc in absense of a package [07:51] StevenK: I'm actually still here. [07:52] StevenK: If you feel motivated, feel free to go ahead. I've a long TODO list, so I don't know how soon I'd get to it. [07:54] ScottK: I had to add the code for option parsing to requestsync due to sponsorship and such like, and it's actually a nice request. I think I can knock it over quickly, unless you want to cut your teeth on some Python. [07:55] No. I do enough Python on other things, so go ahead. [07:55] Thanks for looking into it. [07:56] It seems more interesting than looking at unmetdeps right now. [07:56] Heh. === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro-desktop [n=davro@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-491ba735a58b0307] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] OK. Off to bed, really this time... Good night once again. [08:07] Night ScottK === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-21.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-008-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo__ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] Hey folks === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-148-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a81-84-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick waves === RAOF waves back. [10:13] So, I'm trying to debug why trackerd segfaults somewhere in my $HOME. [10:14] It's nice and reproducible. However, the gdb backtrace is populated by 71 ?? calls. === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-006-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] Also, valgrind SIGILLs when I try to run valgrind against it. === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamego_ [n=lamego@a81-84-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-8-57.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:01] <\sh> moins === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-32-169.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] <\sh> anyone upto sponsor some bugfixes to universe? :) === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] morning === apachelogger [n=me@N813P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy is now known as zakame === ant30 [n=ant30@85.136.42.17.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB8B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@22-115.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] geser : hello, have you been able to test dvgrab 3.0 with your dv camera ? === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c76:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] not yet, will do it today [11:27] geser : thx very much, could you add your comments on the LP bug ? [11:28] cause I'll be away today === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-145-254-254-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] Hrrm'' i should suggest -motu include nsd3 in ubuntu universe (please) -- its in debian testing, low dependancies, no non-free troubles, small and efficient ;-) [11:38] [please] ;-) -- shoul i be posting a wishlist bug or something? should i be testing it myself somehow? [11:38] !info nsd3 [11:38] Package nsd3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [11:38] !info nsd3 gutsy [11:38] Package nsd3 does not exist in gutsy [11:39] ('nsd' is there already, which is NSD2) [11:39] nsd3 is not compatible config, the debian packgae uses /etc/nsd3 instead of /etc/nsd etc. [11:39] !info nsd gutsy [11:39] enyc: You need to file an UVF exception request if you want to get it into gutsy. [11:39] nsd: authoritative name domain server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.7-1 (gutsy), package size 152 kB, installed size 516 kB [11:40] minghua: o [11:40] enyc: s/UVF exception/Universe New Package Freeze exception/ === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-60.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:41] enyc: Briefly -- probably too late to ask at this time. [11:41] enyc: It should be automatically imported in the next release (a.k.a. hardy) though. [11:46] minghua: i see ;-) [11:46] minghua: so "Briefly" 'all' debian packages are normally imported into ubuntu one way or another? [11:48] enyc: Yes, at the start of a development cycle. All main package (i.e. the free stuff) in unstable anyway. [11:48] minghua: got you [11:49] enyc: Which means special care probably needs to be taken for contrib/non-free or experimental packages. [11:49] minghua: actually I would rather that ubuntu supported some of the newer NSD tools (i.e. not bind*) in main but thats another story ;-) [11:49] minghua: yes... some go into multiverse... some may be medubuntu and not in uubuntu as-such [11:49] Yeah, get it into universe first before talking about main inclusion... [11:49] minghua: ;-) === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] Hmmm, can someone point me to a page that explains the philosofy of why we update every 6 months and not when the app comes out? [11:54] ie. the release system? [11:54] Its not I dont understand it, I just want it in writing... :) === fredix [n=fred@86.67.45.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] <\sh> jussi01, what needs to be written? there are several documents about "why is gentoo not enterprise ready", and that's all about it, that's why ubuntu is releasing every six months, or opensuse every year or so... [12:02] \sh: I was just meaning is there something on the official site (as I cant see it) that explains that we release every 6 months and a breif reason for it?? [12:03] <\sh> isn't anywhere an blog article of Mark about it...hmm === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d37.84-47-62.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] <\sh> if anyone has time, and is so nice to sponsor some uploads...please see bug 136544 , bug 136547 and bug 136552 , thx :) [12:08] Launchpad bug 136544 in etoken "[FTBFS] etoken " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136544 [12:08] Launchpad bug 136547 in fxload "[FTBFS] fxload (needs to be synced)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136547 [12:08] Launchpad bug 136552 in galculator "[FTBFS] galculator " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136552 === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-188-175.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh 's going shopping now :) [12:10] <\sh> cu later === Simon80 [n=Simon80@bas6-toronto63-1128677267.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] see ya \sh === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.9.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d215.84-47-29.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YannDinendal [n=Yann@dyn-83-156-150-97.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] quit === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-003-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@125.91.54.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu === emiri_ [n=edu@233.190.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] good morning, someone can advice me to get involved with ubuntu dev? [12:45] emiri_: hello, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU already? [12:45] no, im going [12:45] Masters of the Universe? [12:46] (or just read the channel topic...) [12:49] im reading the MOTU Recruitment page [12:50]