| nealmcb | kshah: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix` does simple configurations | 12:25 |
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| kshah | the ubuntu server guide is bringing me through a crazy SMTP authentication config | 12:25 |
| kshah | i'm messing with ssl keys and whatnot | 12:26 |
| kshah | I did this before I believe.. (then the server aka laptop died) | 12:26 |
| kbrooks | kshah, huh? server == lappy? wtf..... | 12:27 |
| nealmcb | kshah: I have found that supporting email is getting increasingly tiresome over the years. keeping up in the war on spam et al is a nightmare. outsourcing to google apps or fastmail can be appealing | 12:27 |
| kshah | that'll probably be the end solution once things get going | 12:28 |
| kshah | kbrooks: not my choice | 12:28 |
| kshah | but it resulted in a proper server being bought | 12:28 |
| nealmcb | kbrooks: what do you mean? built-in ups that lasts for hours!! :-) | 12:28 |
| kbrooks | nealmcb, ups? | 12:29 |
| nealmcb | (aka battery) | 12:29 |
| nealmcb | how long does the UPS on your server last :-) | 12:29 |
| kbrooks | nealmcb, but laptops are prone to overheating due to their small size | 12:30 |
| nealmcb | note the smiley faces. but I bet they are a good choice in some circumstances.... | 12:30 |
| kshah | yeah in mexico | 12:36 |
| Pyretic | it even has a built in console :) | 12:37 |
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| Anarch | How can I tell whether `cat /proc/cpuinfo` is telling me about 2 physical CPUs or about a hyperthreaded CPU? | 01:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | look for an HT switch | 01:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *flag | 01:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | iirc | 01:23 |
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| pteague | could there be an issue with trying to install ubuntu server on an intel? | 03:23 |
| kshah | no bro | 03:29 |
| justinwray | pteague: Well, it is built for i1368, so doubtful, what sort of error? | 03:30 |
| kshah | what yous prob? | 03:30 |
| kshah | r | 03:30 |
| justinwray | i386* Sorry for the typo | 03:30 |
| pteague | i keep getting file corruption errors on deb packages when trying to install... the md5sum checks out & i've burned 3 CDs & all gave me the same error, but different deb files... the last i burned at 4x | 03:41 |
| justinwray | And you do the CD check on boot, which comes back fine? | 03:42 |
| justinwray | Run memtest on that system? | 03:42 |
| pteague | cd check? guess not | 03:42 |
| justinwray | When you boot, you have the option of checking the integrity of the CD. | 03:43 |
| pteague | k, checking disk | 03:43 |
| justinwray | Okay. | 03:43 |
| pteague | console-tools_0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu3_i386.deb failed the md5 checksum... why would the iso pass an md5 check, but then would corrupt the disk in different places when it's burned? | 03:46 |
| justinwray | Run memtest on that system? | 03:46 |
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| pteague | ok, apparently i can't even burn a the small net installer for debian without it being corrupt | 04:44 |
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| kbrooks | i have a question. i would like to monitor everything (only silently) that is sent over suspect ports. For example, if i type | 03:21 |
| kbrooks | telnet mail.server.com 25 | 03:22 |
| kbrooks | i would like to see the normal stuff sent by the server, except logged | 03:22 |
| kbrooks | how would i do this? | 03:23 |
| soren | tcpdump | 03:24 |
| kbrooks | soren, What if a user has finished sending spam to the mail server when I run tcpdump? | 03:25 |
| soren | what? | 03:25 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | kbrooks, look in the mail server logs? | 03:26 |
| kbrooks | "suspect ports" | 03:26 |
| soren | kbrooks: Are you asking if Ubuntu saves all your network traffic so that you can look at it later? | 03:26 |
| kbrooks | soren, No. It doesn't. I would like it to. | 03:26 |
| soren | kbrooks: tcpdump | 03:27 |
| soren | kbrooks: But you need to start it before it does anything.. | 03:27 |
| kbrooks | soren, Does tcpdump log user information like who connected to a particular server? | 03:28 |
| soren | kbrooks: It logs plain network traffic. You can look at it afterwards (e.g. with wireshark or something). | 03:28 |
| kbrooks | soren, what about the user info? Please don't evade questions | 03:30 |
| soren | kbrooks: Why would I be evading questions? I'm trying my best to ask your rather odd questions. | 03:30 |
| soren | kbrooks: First you call it suspect ports, then it's telnet, then it's spam.. What are you trying to do | 03:31 |
| soren | ? | 03:31 |
| soren | kbrooks: I you want answers, you've got to ask proper questions. | 03:31 |
| kbrooks | soren, port 25 is a suspect port because it can be used to send spam. | 03:32 |
| soren | kbrooks: Well, I can choose to send nuclear missile launch codes over port 80 if I choose to. That's beside the point. | 03:32 |
| soren | kbrooks: What are you trying to do? | 03:33 |
| soren | kbrooks: Please don't evade the question. | 03:33 |
| soren | :) | 03:33 |
| kbrooks | soren, monitor specific inbound and outbpund ports for questionable content, and pinpoint the user who is sending or receiving the content at which port so that i can enforce rules | 03:35 |
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| soren | kbrooks: You seriously want to sit around and stare at network traffic all day? | 03:35 |
| kbrooks | soren, No. hence the log request. | 03:36 |
| infinity | kbrooks: You realise that going from packet filtering to spam filtering is far from trivial, right? | 03:36 |
| soren | kbrooks: Ok, so you want to log it all day and stare at it all night. That's not much different. | 03:36 |
| infinity | ie: The contents of individual packets aren't all that interesting. | 03:36 |
| soren | kbrooks: Is it at all posibble that the question you want to ask is: "How do I avoid spam?" | 03:36 |
| soren | kbrooks: If so, please ask that instead. | 03:37 |
| infinity | And knowing when a message begins and ends, when you didn't initiate the connection, is. Special. | 03:37 |
| kbrooks | infinity, thats why there is wireshark. | 03:37 |
| infinity | Or, "how do I avoid untrusted users sending spam from my machine?" | 03:37 |
| kbrooks | soren, um, i think i want to ask that yes | 03:37 |
| infinity | To which the answer should almost surely be "don't let untrusted users use your machine". | 03:38 |
| infinity | Fighting spam (inbound or outbound) at the packet level seems very much the wrong way to go about things. | 03:38 |
| soren | kbrooks: Alright. Is this spam you want to avoid coming into your machine or going out from it? That seems to be a bit unclear. | 03:38 |
| kbrooks | soren, going out from my machine by a user. | 03:39 |
| soren | kbrooks: Wack him with a stick? | 03:39 |
| kbrooks | soren, how do i whack him when i don't know if he/she hasnt sent spam? | 03:39 |
| infinity | (We return to my "why are you allowing untrusted users access to your machine?" question) | 03:40 |
| kbrooks | because i am doing a free shell/web hosting service. | 03:40 |
| infinity | Ngh. | 03:41 |
| infinity | Alright. | 03:41 |
| soren | Do you use it as a mail server? | 03:41 |
| infinity | Block 25 outbound from all but the local MTA, forcing all users to send mail via the MTA, and do your spam filtering at the MTA level. | 03:41 |
| infinity | (filtering, monitoring, logging, whatever) | 03:42 |
| kbrooks | infinity, i would do that, and i will - in a second - but i don't have a local MTA. i would like one so that I can support checking e-mail via the CLI. | 03:44 |
| soren | kbrooks: You don't need and MTA to check e-mail from the cli. | 03:44 |
| soren | kbrooks: And if you don't have an MTA, just block outgoing connections to port 25. | 03:44 |
| kbrooks | OK. | 03:44 |
| kbrooks | thank you for breakig down my question earlier. noW, HOW do i block outgoin g connections to port 25? | 03:45 |
| soren | iptables -I OUTPUT -j DROP -p tcp --dport 25 | 03:46 |
| kbrooks | also, ulimit didnt seem to work to stop fork bombs. i set the ulimit thru /etc/security/limits.conf | 03:46 |
| kbrooks | and logged out and in | 03:46 |
| kbrooks | but when i ran :() { : | : &; }; : | 03:47 |
| kbrooks | the ulimit didnt kick in | 03:47 |
| soren | In the future, asking questions like: "I want to achieve X. I've thought doing that by doing B and C, but have run into problem D..." makes everything much easier for everyone. | 03:47 |
| soren | That would have saved us the first 15 minutes of this conversation :) | 03:48 |
| infinity | @untrusted hard nproc 20 | 03:48 |
| infinity | ^^ something like that? | 03:48 |
| kbrooks | infinity, where @untrusted means? | 03:49 |
| infinity | kbrooks: A UNIX group that you add your untrusted users to. | 03:49 |
| infinity | (was just an example) | 03:49 |
| kbrooks | * hard nproc 4000 # i did this, but this doesnt work | 03:50 |
| infinity | I'm sure it works fine. | 03:50 |
| infinity | 4000 is a lot of forks. | 03:50 |
| soren | 4000 is enough for a fork bomb to be quite annoying. | 03:50 |
| kbrooks | infinity, then why don't i think it works fine? | 03:51 |
| infinity | Because it's bringing the machine to its knees before it gets to 4000? | 03:51 |
| kbrooks | ok. | 03:51 |
| infinity | Have you ever had 4000 processes runniing on that machine? | 03:51 |
| kbrooks | no | 03:51 |
| infinity | Exactly. | 03:52 |
| infinity | Your users probably don't need more than 10 processes at a time, really. :) | 03:52 |
| soren | For the kind of users you're looking at, 20 should be plenty. | 03:52 |
| kbrooks | i set that limit, now i logout and in? | 03:52 |
| infinity | You don't want that as a global limit, though. | 03:53 |
| infinity | It'll choke apache and such, as well. | 03:53 |
| kbrooks | infinity, fair enough.... | 03:53 |
| kbrooks | k good | 03:56 |
| kbrooks | works. | 03:56 |
| kbrooks | thanks! | 04:02 |
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| kbrooks | sigh | 04:29 |
| kbrooks | okay. so in tcpdump, i see something about a IRC server IP | 04:29 |
| kbrooks | and i get suspicious | 04:30 |
| kbrooks | so i use netstat and notice that a user is possibly connected to the irc server (only a suspicion so far, dont know yet) | 04:30 |
| kbrooks | so i attempt to connect to the server and get kicked off bc of clones. | 04:31 |
| kbrooks | the lines in netstat i'm talking about are | 04:32 |
| kbrooks | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.101:4424 8.7.233.44:ircd ESTABLISHED | 04:32 |
| kbrooks | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.101:3367 ffneural.net:13333 ESTABLISHED | 04:32 |
| kbrooks | so i type something like, ps aux and notice that the user in question runs a eggdrop | 04:33 |
| kbrooks | and THEN i sudo as the user, cd to the configuration, read it, and notice that.... | 04:34 |
| kbrooks | the bot is named fswh, and it connects to a hub | 04:35 |
| kbrooks | and the irc server ip | 04:35 |
| kbrooks | i dont know what the hub is for, maybe exploits? i dunno. | 04:35 |
| kbrooks | either way, i suspect abuse, and i will block the ports (except for IRC, which I will disconnect and talk to the irc server admin about) mentioned in the config file | 04:37 |
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| raky | i have to make a decision on whether to install xen or vmware on my LUG server. its a compaq proliant with 2 P3s and 5x 19.2GB drives with 1 gig ram | 07:09 |
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| raky | i have seen the virt. techniques - para vs. full virt, and of course i'm limited by the server. | 07:11 |
| raky | i just want to virtualize a linux distro or two | 07:12 |
| raky | personally, i would choose the vm software that looks like the market will choose, and that's probably vmware, but things change so often | 07:14 |
| raky | has feisty been fixed for xen and vmware yet? | 07:31 |
| ivoks | fixed? | 07:33 |
| ivoks | i would choose xen... | 07:33 |
| raky | i've seen tutorials on fixing ubuntu for vmware. i didn't know if xen was the same | 07:33 |
| ivoks | um... what's there to fix? | 07:34 |
| raky | just like 5 cli edits | 07:34 |
| raky | for vmware, that is | 07:34 |
| ivoks | do you have link for that tutorial? | 07:35 |
| raky | in a bit | 07:35 |
| raky | sorry, can't find it. i think the edits were before vmware was in the ubuntu repos | 07:38 |
| ivoks | vmware isn't in ubuntu repo | 07:39 |
| raky | ivoks, so for a noob, learning xen is not a whole lot more time consuming than learning vmware? | 07:39 |
| ivoks | eh... vmware is probably a lot easier for a beginer | 07:40 |
| raky | i have googled for plenty of tutorials over the past few weeks. is vmware easier because of the GUI, or the virtualization techniques? | 07:40 |
| ivoks | it's easier cause of the gui, of course | 07:41 |
| raky | hehe, of course, ok | 07:41 |
| raky | i have like 3 real days or 2.5 days worth of hours to get the vmsoftware working. | 07:42 |
| ivoks | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-from-canonical-commercial-repository-in-ubuntu-feisty.html | 07:42 |
| raky | ok, thanks, haha | 07:42 |
| ivoks | no fixing here | 07:42 |
| ivoks | i guess you won't be using vi for editing sources.list :D | 07:43 |
| raky | lol | 07:43 |
| ivoks | bbl bye | 07:45 |
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| steve____ | ok | 08:47 |
| steve____ | something is really, REALLY messed up on my server. | 08:47 |
| steve____ | whenever it boots up, it doesnt have a net connection | 08:47 |
| steve____ | the cat5 is plugged in, its configured for a static ip | 08:47 |
| steve____ | but ifconfig eth0 doesnt show any ip | 08:48 |
| steve____ | /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt do anything | 08:48 |
| steve____ | it gets an ip if i say ifup eth0 | 08:48 |
| steve____ | but its still not connected to the net even then | 08:48 |
| steve____ | it says network is unreachable | 08:48 |
| steve____ | ....... | 08:48 |
| steve____ | ok scratch that | 08:50 |
| steve____ | doing ifup eth0 makes it work | 08:50 |
| steve____ | but why doesnt it do that from the start? | 08:50 |
| steve____ | brb | 08:51 |
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| stiv2k | ok | 08:51 |
| stiv2k | ughhhhhh | 08:56 |
| stiv2k | anyone here??? | 08:56 |
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| stiv2k | ok | 09:02 |
| stiv2k | sorry my server is going haywire | 09:02 |
| stiv2k | please help | 09:02 |
| kbrooks | stiv2k, ask | 09:03 |
| stiv2k | kbrooks: i asked already | 09:03 |
| stiv2k | ill ask it again | 09:03 |
| stiv2k | :P | 09:03 |
| stiv2k | hokay, so we just had a power outage at my apartment here | 09:03 |
| stiv2k | and when i booted my server back up, eth0 is down by default | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | and every tiem when i boot it up | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | eth0 is down | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | /etc/init.d/networking restart does nothing | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | i can only bring it up by saying ifup eth0 | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | but sholdnt it be up when the machine boots | 09:04 |
| stiv2k | i dont want to have to manually bring it up every time | 09:04 |
| kbrooks | pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces file | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | ok | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | kbrooks: its only 4 lines | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | ill paste it here if its ok | 09:05 |
| kbrooks | ok | 09:05 |
| kbrooks | go on | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | well i have these 2 | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | auto lo | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | iface lo inet loopback | 09:05 |
| stiv2k | iface eth0 inet static | 09:06 |
| stiv2k | address 192.168.1.10 | 09:06 |
| stiv2k | netmask 255.255.255.0 | 09:06 |
| stiv2k | gateway 192.168.1.1 | 09:06 |
| kbrooks | stiv2k, notice any differences? | 09:06 |
| stiv2k | auto eth0 ? | 09:06 |
| kbrooks | correct | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | yikes | 09:07 |
| kbrooks | add that and youre off to go | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | ok | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | straight | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | kbrooks: one more thing im not sure if you can help me w/ this | 09:07 |
| kbrooks | ask | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | my bopm wont start with this error | 09:07 |
| stiv2k | [Sep 01 19:07:47 2007] MAIN -> Error opening /var/run/bopm/bopm.pid: No such file or directory | 09:07 |
| ScottK | Does /var/run/bopm exist? | 09:09 |
| stiv2k | no | 09:09 |
| kbrooks | stiv2k, create it. | 09:09 |
| ScottK | mkdir /var/run/bopm and try again | 09:09 |
| stiv2k | but i was under the impression that it gets created by the program | 09:09 |
| ScottK | Sort of | 09:09 |
| ScottK | '/var/run is a tempfs in Ubuntu so it needs to get tested for at every start, not just install | 09:09 |
| ScottK | Is bopm from the Ubuntu repositories? | 09:10 |
| stiv2k | oh | 09:10 |
| stiv2k | um | 09:10 |
| stiv2k | yeah | 09:10 |
| ScottK | It's not a tempfs in Debian by default, so a lot of programs miss this. | 09:10 |
| ScottK | Assuming recreating the dir works, please file a bug against the package. | 09:10 |
| stiv2k | ok | 09:12 |
| stiv2k | wtf | 09:13 |
| stiv2k | it works if i start bopm directly with `sudo bopm -dd` | 09:13 |
| stiv2k | but it doesnt work if i call the script | 09:13 |
| stiv2k | sudo /etc/init.d/bopm start | 09:13 |
| ScottK | Right because the script tries to creat the PID file and can't. When you call it directly you don't do that. | 09:13 |
| stiv2k | ScottK: what should i do | 09:14 |
| ScottK | Did the init script work when you recreated the dir? | 09:14 |
| stiv2k | i dont know i have no way of looking at the debug output | 09:14 |
| stiv2k | when using the init script | 09:14 |
| stiv2k | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2007-09-01 15:12 /var/run/bopm/bopm.pid | 09:14 |
| stiv2k | it exists now though | 09:14 |
| ScottK | ps -AF|grep bopm and see if it's running | 09:15 |
| stiv2k | steve@galatea:~$ ps -AF|grep bopm | 09:15 |
| stiv2k | steve 4701 4589 0 720 748 0 15:15 pts/2 00:00:00 grep bo | 09:15 |
| stiv2k | pm | 09:15 |
| kbrooks | bbl | 09:17 |
| ScottK | look in the PID file for the process number and see if that process is running. | 09:17 |
| ScottK | OK. Gotta run for a bit too. | 09:17 |
| stiv2k | ScottK: it's not | 09:18 |
| ScottK | That's a separate problem then. Definitely file a bug on var/run/bopm not getting recreated by the init. | 09:19 |
| stiv2k | ScottK: file it to who? | 09:19 |
| ScottK | Not sure how much help I can be beyond that. I don't even know what bopm is.... | 09:19 |
| ScottK | Launchpad | 09:19 |
| stiv2k | ScottK: it was working fine before my server lost power | 09:19 |
| stiv2k | ok | 09:19 |
| ScottK | Gotta run. | 09:20 |
| stiv2k | cya | 09:20 |
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| danp | does feisty preseeding support software RAID? | 11:49 |
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