| Tonio_ | Riddell: strange thing is that there is no version number..... hum dch -n doesn't like ~ caracter, looks like :) | 12:39 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: once again sorry for the issue | 12:39 |
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| jds663 | was xgl mandatory with the last batch of updates?? my system is unusable.. 100% cpu load.. running xgl | 04:23 |
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| nixternal | howdy | 05:44 |
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| Hobbsee | yay, patches. | 07:16 |
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| mike_moose | Hello. | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 07:52 |
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| Hobbsee | darn, tonio is not here | 07:52 |
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| Hobbsee | too many bugs... | 08:16 |
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| blekos | hi, i've upgraded from feisty but cannot find strigi... | 09:45 |
| Lure | blekos: go to panel, right click, add applet to panel | 09:46 |
| Lure | blekos: or strigi:/ in konqueror | 09:47 |
| blekos | i went to the adept manager and show that files with the name strigi were not installed | 09:48 |
| blekos | it is not available in the add applet | 09:49 |
| blekos | i'm just wondering if strigi was not installed, maybe there are other features that did not install | 09:50 |
| Jucato | perhaps you haven't fully upgraded to gutsy yet? also please check if the metapackage kubuntu-desktop is installed | 09:50 |
| blekos | kubuntu-desktop & kubuntu-default-settings are both installed | 09:51 |
| Jucato | hmm... | 09:52 |
| blekos | the other thing is that i don know how to use opensync, | 09:54 |
| blekos | i have a pda-mobile | 09:54 |
| blekos | but I cannot see any gui tool in Kontact | 09:54 |
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| Hobbsee | er, i'd guess that apt doesnt upgrade first.... | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | and so recommends dont get installed by default | 09:55 |
| blekos | so, when the final release is out everything will be installed? | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | did you use a dist-upgrade, or the upgrade tool? | 09:57 |
| blekos | dist-upgrade | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | hm. | 09:57 |
| Jucato | I dist-upgraded from feisty (command line system, no GUI) to gutsy on my desktop. didn't have a problem there | 09:58 |
| Jucato | but that was last week | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: wouldnt have done recommends, though | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: unless you upgraded apt first. | 09:59 |
| Jucato | yeah. but I mean everything got installed. including strigit | 09:59 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: interesting... | 09:59 |
| Jucato | didn't notice opensync though | 09:59 |
| blekos | apart from these too, everything *seems* to work fine | 10:01 |
| blekos | didn't have any msgs about restarting though | 10:01 |
| blekos | but as I can see adept-notifier is installed | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | no, you wouldnt. you used a dist-upgrade. | 10:02 |
| blekos | ok | 10:02 |
| blekos | any ideas about opensync? | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | you didnt get an update-notifier from adept prompt to reboot, because you didnt use adept to dist-upgrade. | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | nope, i only have 1 bluetooth device. | 10:02 |
| blekos | how about the firefox plugin where do i find it? | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | in the repository somewhere | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | should be a part of ubufox, i'd expect | 10:06 |
| blekos | final question, please bare with me, i wen to system settings->monitor & display click on "administration mode" and ... | 10:19 |
| blekos | i was just let in, didnt ask for pwssd.... | 10:19 |
| blekos | *psswd | 10:19 |
| Jucato | if you have used kdesu(do) earlier to do some administrative stuff, it remembers the password for a few minutes | 10:21 |
| Jucato | just like sudo in the command line | 10:21 |
| Jucato | see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu#head-5ab46eafbb5cb096dd81d996d6e568651085469d | 10:22 |
| blekos | i guess it has to do with using the adept-manager where i was prompet for my psswd | 10:25 |
| blekos | i'll wait for 15min and see what happenes | 10:25 |
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| Jucato | nixternal: since you're a bit awake, could you check if Input Actions is completely Empty or I'm just fscked up? | 02:46 |
| nixternal | guide me master | 02:47 |
| Jucato | haha | 02:47 |
| Jucato | System Settings -> Accessibility | 02:47 |
| Jucato | or KControl -> Regional & Accessbility :) | 02:47 |
| Jucato | which could explain why pressing PrintScreen doesn't launch KSnapshot here... | 02:47 |
| nixternal | I have kde-konqbrowser.desktop and kde-ksnapshot.desktop | 02:47 |
| Jucato | er.. hm... | 02:48 |
| Jucato | ok I'm fscked up then hahah :) | 02:48 |
| nixternal | well...I have been dist-upgrading since dapper | 02:48 |
| nixternal | if you installed fresh, you might have different results | 02:48 |
| Jucato | I guess I kinda messed up when I copied over my .kde from feisty to gutsy hehehe | 02:48 |
| Jucato | hm... or maybe not :/ | 02:49 |
| Jucato | so what are you doing up so early on a Sunday morn? :) | 02:49 |
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| nixternal | I crashed kind of early last night | 02:50 |
| Jucato | on a Saturday night? you're weird! :P | 02:50 |
| nixternal | yup, I know | 02:50 |
| Jucato | anyway, enjoy your Sunday. I'll just poke around tomorrow :) | 02:58 |
| nixternal | why thank you | 02:58 |
| nixternal | " I am not really that happy with Kubuntu, because I've just learned that they have only 2 runlevels by default." | 03:20 |
| nixternal | ^^ that is from the recent behind kde interview with the GSoC people...am I missing something | 03:21 |
| Jucato | O.o | 03:21 |
| nixternal | he is referring to the 2 levels provided in grub I take it | 03:21 |
| nixternal | does anyone provide anything more init 1 and init 5? | 03:23 |
| nixternal | all he has to do is take it init 3 from kdm :) | 03:23 |
| nixternal | "What is KDE's killer app? Why?" | 03:24 |
| nixternal | Andrew Manson's answer is the best! | 03:24 |
| nixternal | "KDevelop! Why? Because I don't understand how to use it! It's just like the view of a cockpit in a plane, so many buttons and you don't have a clue what half of them do... but it looks pretty" | 03:25 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:26 |
| Jucato | it's nice to occasionally get "strange" answers hehehe | 03:26 |
| nixternal | all but 1 of the 4 screenshots for their desktop is Kubuntu \o/ | 03:27 |
| Jucato | who says Kubuntu isn't loved by upstream? hehehe :P | 03:33 |
| milian | can anyone reproduce this: when I search in konqueror using the "websearch" next to the location bar (with google) it always prepends "locate " in front of my search strings | 03:42 |
| milian | (but searches on google) | 03:42 |
| milian | google is set as default search engine and locate is disabled though it still behaves that way... | 03:43 |
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| milian | and this is new with gutsy | 03:43 |
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| nixternal | works for me | 03:45 |
| milian | nixternal: try setting the separator to space instead of a colon | 03:49 |
| milian | it works for me as well with colons | 03:49 |
| nixternal | why would I do that? | 03:50 |
| milian | it's a setting in the short handle menu so why shouldn't it work there? ;-) | 03:50 |
| nixternal | are you talking using gg: | 03:51 |
| nixternal | gg: is for the location bar only | 03:51 |
| nixternal | not only, but made for it in particular | 03:51 |
| milian | wait a moment, I switch my language to english and describe what I mean | 03:51 |
| milian | Settings > Configure Konqueror > Web Shortcuts > Keyword Delimiter > Space | 03:52 |
| milian | than: | 03:53 |
| milian | Websearch (input field right to the location bar) | 03:53 |
| milian | select google and search for anything | 03:53 |
| milian | e.g. "foobar" | 03:53 |
| milian | it will search for "locate foobar" | 03:53 |
| milian | switch the keyword delimiter back to a colon and it works | 03:53 |
| nixternal | it is working with the space as well for me | 03:53 |
| milian | strange | 03:54 |
| milian | but thank you | 03:54 |
| nixternal | no prob | 03:54 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I might prefer the space over : now :) | 03:54 |
| milian | ;-) | 03:54 |
| nixternal | oh man, I just set my default to google...no more typing gg: or gg | 03:55 |
| milian | funny it works for me as well now | 03:56 |
| milian | but please _dont_ ask why | 03:56 |
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| milian | voodoo but ok ;-) | 03:57 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: Hmm. Does this pre-pre-draft (waay too many screenshots) documentation for Kontact + eGroupWare look good? http://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/eGroupWare-HOWTO.html | 04:15 |
| ryanakca | (aka, am I missing anything) | 04:16 |
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| ryanakca | Jucato: hmm. ever thought of teaching a class? | 04:22 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: Mez and I are trying to revive the now long-dead classroom project | 04:22 |
| Jucato | oh that.. hm... sorry nope :( | 04:22 |
| ryanakca | hmmm | 04:23 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: looks good | 04:23 |
| Jucato | sorry ryanakca.. I sort of have a phobia of teaching in any real-time setting | 04:24 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: no worries :) | 04:24 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: okies | 04:24 |
| === ryanakca mails nixternal his login info | ||
| === Jucato wonders if it's him or kmail that's not working properly today.. | ||
| manchicken | kmail hasn't been working properly for several days over here. | 04:26 |
| nixternal | ya, I can't even use it for email safely | 04:26 |
| Jucato | oh... | 04:26 |
| === Jucato is glad he's on POP3 only... | ||
| nixternal | I am thinking about going back to Mutt | 04:26 |
| Jucato | the only kdepim app that I'm liking right now is akregator... kmail, korganizer, and right now, kaddressbook are all giving me headaches and heartaches... | 04:27 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 04:29 |
| manchicken | kpilot seems to be more stable than it was... e.g. not crashing after EVERY sync. | 04:29 |
| nixternal | I am POP3 also, only because I wanted to use Kontact/KMail and knew of the IMAP problems | 04:29 |
| Jucato | wished toma made mailody with pop3 support... | 04:30 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:30 |
| ryanakca | hmm... imap problems? where? | 04:36 |
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| nixternal | kmail is plagued with them according to the bug reports | 04:37 |
| nixternal | out of all of the bug reports, only a few are pop3 or smtp related..the rest are imap | 04:37 |
| ryanakca | Heh | 04:38 |
| Jucato | isn't it because of imap kmail issues that toma started mailody? | 04:38 |
| === ryanakca guesses he must have a lucky kmail | ||
| nixternal | I believe so | 04:38 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 04:38 |
| Jucato | oh well.... | 04:38 |
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| ryanakca | kaddressbook is a pain | 04:39 |
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| Jucato | it' s only now that I realize it... having been forcing myself to use it for the whole day... | 04:40 |
| === ryanakca thought it would be able to sync automatically from the eGroupWare server... but it only updates the local copy every couple of hours | ||
| ryanakca | And I haven't found any way to 'force' it... the sync button doesn't do anything... | 04:41 |
| Jucato | I'm glad I haven't had yet the misfortune of trying to sync anything... groupware or mobile device... | 04:41 |
| nixternal | so much negativity | 04:42 |
| nixternal | ARGH! stupid pasting crash!@::! | 04:42 |
| nixternal | :) | 04:42 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 04:42 |
| Jucato | and on a sunday for that matter | 04:42 |
| nixternal | it has been crashing since yesterday | 04:43 |
| nixternal | you can't paste anything into a kmails composer | 04:43 |
| Jucato | and it apparently hangs if you try to :) | 04:43 |
| Jucato | and crashed kontact. yay | 04:44 |
| ryanakca | yep | 04:47 |
| ryanakca | I can confirm | 04:47 |
| === ryanakca pasted the HOWTO url into nixternal's login-info email-to-become-a-template... kaput | ||
| nixternal | muhahaha | 04:48 |
| Jucato | nice isn't it? | 04:48 |
| Jucato | you have 2 confirmations for your bug :P | 04:48 |
| Jucato | 2 unwitting, gullible victims | 04:48 |
| ryanakca | bug 130392 | 04:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130392 in kdepim "kmail locks when pasting text into composer" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130392 | 04:49 |
| ryanakca | been around for a couple days | 04:49 |
| Jucato | heh | 04:50 |
| Jucato | shows how much I don't compose mails :) | 04:50 |
| nixternal | shows how much I don't paste into composer I guess | 04:50 |
| nixternal | I just noticed it yesterday trying to reply to Jono | 04:50 |
| === Jucato hasn't been part of that e-mail tradition... yet... | ||
| nixternal | fix released upstream as well | 04:50 |
| nixternal | nice | 04:50 |
| ryanakca | yep | 04:51 |
| Jucato | good.. | 04:51 |
| Jucato | wonder if there will be a KDE 3.5.8... | 04:51 |
| nixternal | yes | 04:51 |
| milian | was about time | 04:51 |
| nixternal | 3.5.8 could very well be the last 3.x release :( | 04:52 |
| Jucato | I thought so too.. | 04:52 |
| Jucato | aw... they still need to release bug fixes/patches :( | 04:52 |
| Jucato | specially for kdepim!!! | 04:52 |
| === ryanakca wonders if there's an autosave-oops-sorry!-kmail-crashed copy of my email/draft | ||
| nixternal | wait a second..that upstream bug report for the paste crash was filed by me in June | 04:53 |
| ryanakca | guess not | 04:53 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:53 |
| === Jucato foresees nixternal going into #kontact to poke people... | ||
| ryanakca | and looks like it's two different bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/130392/comments/2 | 04:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130392 in kdepim "kmail locks when pasting text into composer" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:53 |
| nixternal | I am not poking them anymore | 04:54 |
| nixternal | I think it is 2 different bugs | 04:54 |
| ryanakca | It is | 04:54 |
| nixternal | as a matter of fact, I know it is 2 different bugs | 04:54 |
| Jucato | mine locked, then when I tried to close it, it crashed | 04:54 |
| === ryanakca points at the comment, the guy clearly states two different bugs | ||
| nixternal | because now you can't paste anything | 04:54 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: crashed when I went to minimize | 04:54 |
| ryanakca | remove the upstream link from the lp bug? | 04:55 |
| nixternal | I would have to say yes...it is 2 different issues | 04:55 |
| nixternal | how do you remove an upstream bug? | 04:57 |
| Jucato | you can't | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | hit the arrow, say tha tit's nto tracked upstream | 04:57 |
| Jucato | I think you have to ask them to close it for you | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | no, you can close it yourself.. | 04:58 |
| ryanakca | I dunno. Best thing from what I see is to set it 'invalid', and it doesn't point to any upstream bug. | 04:58 |
| nixternal | you know what...Fritz hijacked bug 130392 | 04:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130392 in kdepim "kmail locks when pasting text into composer" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130392 | 04:58 |
| nixternal | those are 2 different issues...I think the original issue was related to the upstream bug report I filed in June | 04:58 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: like so? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: yep tha's it | 04:59 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: hehe, we both removed it at the same time :) | 04:59 |
| nixternal | muhahah | 04:59 |
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| ryanakca | hey bddebian | 05:10 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 05:10 |
| ryanakca | hmm. does this seem to be a good 'Disclaimer' to be sent in the login emails, and displayed at the login screen for the server? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36050/ | 05:11 |
| ryanakca | s/LOG OFF IMMEDIATELY/DO NOT USE THIS SYSTEM/ | 05:11 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 05:11 |
| bddebian | Hi ryanakca, Jucato | 05:11 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: sent :) | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | oh, bugger. i should have put out a meeting notice | 05:31 |
| Jucato | moin Hobbsee :) | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato | 05:31 |
| Jucato | wait, it should be morning there now right? O.o | 05:31 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: yes please do put out a meeting notice | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it's about 1.30am, my clock tells me | 05:32 |
| Jucato | ouch.. | 05:32 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: meeting? Kubuntu-Devel? | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: yes | 05:33 |
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| ryanakca | cool | 05:34 |
| ryanakca | pitty it's too late to try to organize a time with eGroupWare's free/busy feature | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | unsure of the point - it's mostly blocked on me | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | probably...2200 tuesday, or so. | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | or otherwise 1400 UTC...um....tuesday or thursday | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | all of your good times are while i'm asleep | 05:37 |
| ScottK | So don't sleep. Sleep is for the weak. | 05:38 |
| nixternal | ouch | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | i get sick if i dont sleep. | 05:38 |
| nixternal | I guess I am weak... | 05:38 |
| nixternal | 00:00:50 [ ScottK] I'm actually getting very close to passing out and going to bed for the night. | 05:39 |
| nixternal | that was 10.5 hours ago :) | 05:39 |
| nixternal | muhehehehe | 05:39 |
| ScottK | It was actually several hours after that I went to bed. | 05:39 |
| === ScottK is weak in any case. | ||
| nixternal | but you said sleep is for the weak...are you... | 05:39 |
| nixternal | damn, beat me to it | 05:40 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I am finding interesting results on "would you prefer 1 desktop environment instead of the many there currently are?" and "would you prefer 1 linux distro compared to the many there are?" | 05:40 |
| nixternal | there are quite a few people that would prefer 1 DE and 1 distro...that is scary | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...very scary | 05:41 |
| nixternal | 1 distro provides you with the following choice: Windows, Linux, Mac, BSD | 05:41 |
| ScottK | I'd prefer one too as long as it's exactly what I want. | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | well, that's fine, as long as the distro is ubuntu, and the DE is kde. | 05:41 |
| nixternal | OK, I don't like this distro of Linux, so good-bye :) | 05:41 |
| nixternal | ScottK: see, and that is why 1 distro would never work..the same with 1 de | 05:42 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: hahaha, pwnd!!! | 05:42 |
| ScottK | Of course. Wanting is not the same as getting. | 05:42 |
| Jucato | it's hard to shake of people's old mentality of 1 DE/OS/Distro... | 05:42 |
| bddebian | Espeically us Windows users since it already has everything.. | 05:42 |
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| nixternal | lol | 05:43 |
| Jucato | yes it has everything... | 05:43 |
| nixternal | boo | 05:43 |
| Jucato | including viruses.. right? | 05:43 |
| Jucato | unfortunately we can't include those :( | 05:43 |
| Jucato | ah cruel fate | 05:43 |
| nixternal | could you imagine all of the distro and de devs trying to come together on 1 project? the power struggles, my lord it would fail misserably | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: they seem to be on kde4 | 05:44 |
| Jucato | fail miserably? it wouldn't even start :) | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | well, multidistros | 05:44 |
| nixternal | interesting finding though,, people who I have asked, if it were 1 DE, the 2 top choices are 1) Xfce and 2) KDE | 05:44 |
| Jucato | aw poor GNOME... | 05:44 |
| nixternal | ya, which totally blew my mind | 05:44 |
| nixternal | I love the recent dose of reality, as a lot of darkside users were saying KDE reinvented the wheel, only to find out, d'oh the Gnu Project did :) | 05:45 |
| Jucato | and it didn't exactly reinvent the wheel... | 05:45 |
| Jucato | in all aspects... | 05:45 |
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| nixternal | well true, but it created something that was not needed...they had to do their power struggle thing about the whole non-free licensing issue | 05:46 |
| Jucato | besides, if not for the pressure created by the existence of GNOME (and Harmony), Trolltech might have not had released Qt under GPL sooner | 05:46 |
| nixternal | but Qt had released a GPL compatible license before there was even a beta test of gnome | 05:46 |
| Jucato | and without GNOME showing us how to do things wrong... where would KDE be? | 05:47 |
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| nixternal | hahahahahaha | 05:47 |
| nixternal | I just 2.5 months with gnome...and I have come to like just 1 feature | 05:47 |
| nixternal | tomboy | 05:47 |
| nixternal | s/just 2.5/just did 2.5/ | 05:47 |
| Jucato | ah tomboy.. yes | 05:48 |
| Jucato | before strigi was, I also liked the deskbar applet | 05:48 |
| nixternal | for instance...setting up my 19" widescreen lcd and radeon video card meant I had to dpkg-reconfigure x, go in and manually edit xorg.conf...in Kubuntu, System Settings -> Display, grab the 1440x900 LCD, Use the r300 free driver, hit ok, and then ctrl+alt+backspace | 05:49 |
| nixternal | and this feature has been in KDE for years! | 05:49 |
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| Jucato | actually... well nvm :P | 05:50 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:50 |
| nixternal | I need to setup strigi, it never installed itself by default | 05:50 |
| Jucato | hm.. someone was in here earlier (yesterday?) wondering about that too | 05:50 |
| Jucato | dist-upgrading to gutsy never installed strigi for him | 05:50 |
| nixternal | dist-upgrading doesn't install anything new from what I have noticed..it just updates what you have, and pulls in new deps if needed | 05:52 |
| nixternal | it doesn't remove anything either | 05:52 |
| nixternal | man, I have started a great discussion in the chicago lug irc channel about 1 de and 1 distro | 05:52 |
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| Jucato | dist-upgrade only removes if there's a conflict because of a new dependency iirc | 05:54 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: my password is bogus | 07:13 |
| milian | KDE 4 beta 2 is not yet out, is it? | 07:31 |
| nixternal | nope | 07:32 |
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| ScottK | nixternal: Thanks for letting us know. I'd suggest changing it now that you've let us know you picked "bogus" for a password. | 08:45 |
| nixternal | ScottK: hahaha, my password doesn't work silly | 08:45 |
| nixternal | that is funny though..I wonder how many people are like trying username: nixternal password: bogus | 08:46 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 08:46 |
| ScottK | But it was funnier my way. | 08:46 |
| nixternal | ya it was | 08:46 |
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| manchicken | Okay, so does anybody know what's going on with kmail? | 09:42 |
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| odla | will there be an official kickoff package in kubuntu? | 10:04 |
| Riddell | only if someone makes one | 10:11 |
| odla | i can't even find where to get the current source code | 10:13 |
| Riddell | getting the patch from suse's rpm is probably best | 10:13 |
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| manchicken | mhb: ping | 10:33 |
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| mhb | manchicken: wow | 10:37 |
| mhb | manchicken: you're good at guessing when people arrive :o) | 10:37 |
| DaSkreech | What did I miss? | 10:37 |
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| mhb | manchicken: what's up? | 10:38 |
| duccio | hi | 10:38 |
| duccio | Riddell: yesterday you told me about a task in startkde...do you remember? | 10:39 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: probably the same things as I have | 10:39 |
| Riddell | duccio: yes, i do | 10:40 |
| duccio | yes..today i read more about bash scripting | 10:40 |
| duccio | i've read...sorry | 10:40 |
| duccio | what kind of task do you need? | 10:41 |
| duccio | i don't remember well | 10:41 |
| manchicken | mhb: Having a hard time with Py-qt | 10:41 |
| manchicken | We need some KDE4 bindings, too. | 10:41 |
| mhb | manchicken: there will be some soon | 10:42 |
| manchicken | mhb: Got time to help me figure things out here? | 10:42 |
| mhb | manchicken: sure | 10:42 |
| Riddell | duccio: delete the splash screen cache if the wallpaper is newer | 10:43 |
| Riddell | duccio: so if $KDEHOME//share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/ is older than /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png | 10:43 |
| mhb | manchicken: private msg? | 10:44 |
| Riddell | duccio: and of course do that before ksplash is run | 10:44 |
| manchicken | Let me pasty the problem. Sure, we can move it there if you want. | 10:44 |
| mhb | manchicken: well, I guess it would be better in private, so we don't pollute the other conversations in here | 10:45 |
| duccio | Riddell: so the task must delete the content of $KDEHOME//share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/ if this is older than /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png...is correct? | 10:48 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Is there a KDE art Chan? | 10:48 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: #kde-artists ...if it is oxygen specific #oxygen | 10:50 |
| Riddell | duccio: yes, that's right | 10:50 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: thanks | 10:50 |
| kwwii | np | 10:50 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: hmm. sorry, I'll change it | 11:31 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: sent a new copy, should work, it's a copy-paste | 11:37 |
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| duccio | Riddell: I've done the task...how can I show you the script? | 11:53 |
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| SlimG | When will OOo be replaced by koffice? | 11:55 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: You wanna take that? :) | 12:01 |
| duccio | Riddell: After that? | 12:04 |
| mhb | SlimG: when we compare OOo and koffice and find koffice good enough for our user base. | 12:08 |
| mhb | SlimG: trust me, we generally believe in koffice much more than in OOo. But we would probably lose a lot of users if we provided a tool that is not "good enough". | 12:09 |
| SlimG | mhb: What's not good enough yet with koffice? | 12:10 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: I think what he wants is the bullet list of what's not good enough | 12:10 |
| DaSkreech | See? :) | 12:11 |
| SlimG | :) hehe | 12:11 |
| mhb | SlimG: I haven't tested KOffice in a while, so I can't really tell. I think compatibility with Microsoft Office (and I'm not sure about the compatibility with OOo either) is still not as high as in OO.org | 12:13 |
| mhb | SlimG: if you think otherwise, you can try to convince the developers and if you have enough arguments, perhaps they'll include it! | 12:13 |
| mhb | SlimG: for the Kubuntu release after "Gutsy Gibbon", which is called "Hardy Heron" | 12:14 |
| SlimG | I'd really like to see koffice in hardy (really? Hardy Heron!? :D hehe) but I haven't done any formatcompatibility-between-office-suits tests, I'll investigate on known compatibility issues and test compatibility and get back to the kubuntu devs if things looks good for koffice | 12:18 |
| DaSkreech | Actually I think for some formats Koffice has hight ODT compatibilty than OO.o | 12:19 |
| DaSkreech | but the real blocker is compatibilty with .doc .ooxml etc | 12:19 |
| SlimG | does OOo support .ooxml ? | 12:19 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: to be honest, that compatibility is still a big blocker of Linux in general | 12:20 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: OOo sucks less at it, but sucks nonetheless | 12:20 |
| ryanakca | mhb: have you changed your password yet? ( ssh into groupware.kubuntu.co.uk ) | 12:20 |
| mhb | ryanakca: not yet | 12:20 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: Yeah but if we got Koffice to suck less than OO.o could it replace OO.o ? | 12:20 |
| DaSkreech | That's the question | 12:20 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: of course | 12:20 |
| DaSkreech | SlimG: they are incorporating ooXML I don't think it will be in the 2.3 relelase maybe the one after | 12:21 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: if it sucks less or the same, we'll go for it | 12:21 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: Who would be the person who Oks that? | 12:23 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: the Kubuntu Council is that person | 12:24 |
| ryanakca | mhb: wouldn't it be Kubuntu members, and then if we can't pick, the council get's to vote? | 12:24 |
| mhb | ryanakca: well, I guess we'd discuss it at the meeting, so everyone says their opinion and the Council OKs or denies that | 12:25 |
| mhb | ryanakca: he asked about who should judge that, and that is the KC | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | hmm. yeah | 12:28 |
| ryanakca | I guess :) | 12:28 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 12:29 |
| DaSkreech | So can I put a note on the agenda for the next meeting to look to getting Koffice as default and generate a list for what that would mean? | 12:29 |
| ScottK | Actually on recent OOO versions I've had very little trouble with MS Office file compatibility. | 12:29 |
| DaSkreech | ScottK: Right :) but the point is we want Koffice to have the same boast | 12:30 |
| ScottK | Sure, but until it does, please don't mess with it. | 12:30 |
| mhb | ScottK: yeah, it's getting better, but it's still not my-non-geek-dad ready :o) | 12:30 |
| ScottK | All my customers use MS Office, so file compatibility is essential. | 12:30 |
| DaSkreech | ScottK: it's not so much as to how many people use it | 12:31 |
| DaSkreech | It's how deep | 12:31 |
| DaSkreech | if i have one person who uses MS Office cause they absolutlely NEED to | 12:31 |
| SlimG | maby a vote on the kubuntuforums: "OOo vs. koffice (in Kubuntu)" would give a clue on the current battlestatus between the office suits, then people might also comment on their likes and dislikes with both office suits | 12:31 |
| DaSkreech | that's an issue cause they have something they need to do in the line of work | 12:31 |
| DaSkreech | OO.o and Koffice should at least be able to display it even if they can't generate it | 12:32 |
| DaSkreech | SlimG: Start it up man :) | 12:32 |
| mhb | I agree with SlimG, let's ask the users first and if it's good enough for a large group let's bother the devs | 12:32 |
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