[01:34] <DanaG> Mmm, gotta love update-manager -- if you scroll rapidly through the list, it freezes and eats CPU, and then starts showing the wrong changelogs for things.
[01:34] <RAOF> Cool.
[01:34] <penguin42> erk
[01:37] <penguin42> hmm - google earth has stopped working for me; saying it can't open libXdamage
[01:42] <Xero> mmmmm CPU
[01:48] <noah__> #136677
[01:49] <noah__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/136677
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136677 in lvm2 "pvmove likely broken on 2.6.22" [Undecided,New] 
[02:01] <penguin42> can anyone run googleearth?
[02:03] <Xero> penguin42, I would tell you if I had any interest in google earth.
[02:05] <penguin42> it's pleasantly addictive :-)
[02:05] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: That's one thing I never tested so far.
[02:05] <Xero> Where is it after I install it?
[02:06] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: BTW - I checked the virtual TTY messages after boot and there's three from kinit related to the resume image not being found, but not generate after a hibernate
[02:06] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Have you got a 32 bit or a 64 bit box? And in either case what do you have in the way of  /usr/lib/libXdamage*
[02:06] <Xero> penguin42, where is Google Earth after it's installed?
[02:06] <penguin42> Xero: Whereever you put it
[02:06] <Xero> ....
[02:06] <DanaG> Argh, for some reason, audio periodically freezes on my system.
[02:07] <Xero> Command name? Anything?
[02:07] <penguin42> googleearth
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: It's a 32-bit kernel, but 64-bit CPUs. G.E. has too many 32-bit dependencies up to now to be stable on a 64-bit kernel
[02:07] <Xero> bash: googleearth: command not found
[02:07] <Xero> I just installed it from apt-get
[02:07] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I had it working great on feisty
[02:07] <penguin42> Xero: Ah I downloaded the binary blob from google - haven't tried the package
[02:07] <xtknight> ah googleearth is in medibuntu
[02:08] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Can you tell me if you have a libXdamage.so of any form that isn't a symlink ?
[02:08] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: Yes, I do too. It's kinda essential for me but until I can trust Gutsy the only thing I do in the gutsy installation is test the kernel
[02:08] <Xero> googleearth is in Gutsy...
[02:08] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: let me look...
[02:08] <xtknight> runs for me on gusy 64 no issues whatsoever
[02:08] <DanaG> usb 4-1.4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[02:08] <DanaG> usb 4-1.4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[02:08] <DanaG> ...and so on.
[02:08] <xtknight> "googleearth"
[02:09] <xtknight> gutsy*
[02:09] <xtknight> the medibuntu package
[02:09] <DanaG> !info googleearth
[02:09] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[02:09] <ubotu> Package googleearth does not exist in gutsy
[02:09] <Xero> Goooooooooogle
[02:09] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: $ find /usr/lib -name 'libXdamage*' -exec ls -ld {} \;
[02:09] <IntuitiveNipple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2007-05-19 17:02 /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1 -> libXdamage.so.1.0.0
[02:09] <IntuitiveNipple> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6024 2006-12-20 12:53 /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.0.0
[02:09] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:10] <penguin42> xtknight: can you do an ldd on the binary please and find where it is getting libXdamage from; I've just confirmed someone elses bug who has the same problem as me
[02:10] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Interesting - and where is that /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.0.0 from according to a dpkg -l ?
[02:11] <xtknight> well /usr/bin/googleearth is a script for me
[02:11] <penguin42> sorry, dpkg -S
[02:11] <xtknight> would you like me to do it on the nearest executable?
[02:11] <penguin42> xtknight: Yeh there is a googleearth.bin
[02:11] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: $ dpkg-query -S 'libXdamage*'
[02:11] <IntuitiveNipple> libxdamage1: /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
[02:11] <IntuitiveNipple> libxdamage1: /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.0.0
[02:11] <penguin42> ah right ok, yes
[02:12] <xtknight> andy@andy-desktop:~$ ldd /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin |grep -i damage
[02:12] <penguin42> it looks like the ia32-libs one is missing it - but I don't understand why it used to work
[02:12] <xtknight> nothing
[02:12] <xtknight> isn't damage a composite extension?
[02:12] <penguin42> interesting, mine is linked against libXdamage
[02:12] <xtknight> i don't have compiz.
[02:13] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/71
[02:14] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: I have compiz, and the Google-packaged G.E. 4.2
[02:14] <xtknight> and i'm using medibuntu
[02:14] <xtknight> i can try google-packed
[02:14] <penguin42> weird...
[02:14] <penguin42> unless a package that has come in has just caused it to want libXdamage or I have a newer version
[02:15] <xtknight> penguin42, google-packaged is also flawless
[02:15] <xtknight> amd64 gutsy
[02:16] <penguin42> *weird* - I'm not the only person to have this
[02:16] <penguin42> #136624
[02:16] <penguin42> is a report from someone else with the same problem
[02:16] <xtknight> Bug 136624
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136624 in ia32-libs "(gutsy amd64) libxdamage not in ia32-libs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136624
[02:17] <xtknight> google-packed doesn't require Damage here, either.
[02:18] <xtknight> penguin42, try linux32 googleearth ?
[02:18] <xtknight> vs. damage
[02:18] <penguin42> yeh I did - didn't help
[02:19] <xtknight> dont know, i replied to the report saying i can't reproduce it
[02:19] <penguin42> the real problem is the abortion that is ia32-libs
[02:19] <xtknight> correct my ia32-libs does not contain libXdamage
[02:20] <xtknight> lots of other libX*
[02:20] <penguin42> I guess it might depend on the exact build of google earth
[02:21] <penguin42> mine is 4.2.0180.1134 (beta)
[02:24] <IntuitiveNipple> same here
[02:24] <penguin42> triple weird
[02:24] <penguin42> when did you last run an update on your gutsy?
[02:26] <penguin42> md5sum: b4324e609801dd70c90b524ebed74c4f  googleearth-bin
[02:26] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Ah but you are running 32 bit native so you're OK
[02:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, like I said, the 64-bit was unusable
[02:29] <penguin42> nod
[02:30] <penguin42> xtknight: What version of googleearth do you have?
[02:35] <xtknight> penguin42, 4.2.0810.1134 (beta)
[02:35] <xtknight> i'm 64-bit
[02:35] <penguin42> same as me - and your md5 ?
[02:35] <xtknight> of googleearth-bin?
[02:35] <penguin42> nod
[02:36] <xtknight> b4324e609801dd70c90b524ebed74c4f  ./google-earth/googleearth-bin
[02:36] <xtknight> same
[02:36] <penguin42> same
[02:36] <penguin42> and   ldd ./googleearth-bin | grep -i damage
[02:36] <xtknight> notinh
[02:36] <xtknight> nothing
[02:37] <penguin42> weird
[02:37] <penguin42> it's got to be one of the other lib32 libraries then that is now linking against it, but I can't see that package having been recently updated
[02:38] <penguin42> ah, I think it's my /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1
[02:38] <xtknight> i use nvidia proprietary drivers
[02:38] <xtknight> what about you?
[02:39] <penguin42> ahhhh!
[02:39] <xtknight> nvidia.com 100.x drivers
[02:39] <xtknight> nvidias replace libGL* i believe
[02:39] <penguin42> nod
[02:39] <xtknight> mesa for you?
[02:39] <penguin42> yeh
[02:39] <xtknight> ah add it to the bug report
[02:39] <penguin42> yeh will do
[02:39] <xtknight> mesa needs damage, needs to be in ia32
[02:41] <IntuitiveNipple> xtknight: Hmm, thank-you! You've just explained why maybe I was having problems with the 64-bit trials. I'm going to try booting gutsy 64-bit tomorrow and see how it goes.
[02:44] <penguin42> right, time for bed
[02:45] <penguin42> night guys
[03:00] <DanaG> Argh, when I try to change things in xscreensaver-demo, it locks up and becomes unkillable.
[03:01] <DanaG> Even with SIGKILL and SIGSEGV.
[03:03] <alesan> hi, could you tell me if in gutsy the gksu "fade" effect can be disabled preserving the security feature to grab the entire screen?
[03:03] <alesan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235560&page=4 <- feisty has this problem
[03:12] <DanaG> rename("/home/dana/.xscreensaver.tmp", "/home/dana/.xscreensaver") = 0
[03:12] <DanaG> sync(
[03:12] <DanaG> (hangs there.)
[03:13] <DanaG> And it becomes super-unkillable.
[03:19] <DanaG> Heh, xscreensaver-demo: unknown option: --no-xshm
[03:19] <DanaG> xscreensaver-demo: [--display dpy]  [--prefs]  [--debug]  [--sync]  [--no-xshm]  [--configdir dir] 
[03:37] <vader1102> One question, then I am out lol. Is Gusty going to be able to detect Vista partitions? I tried 6.06 and 7.04 and neither one would see my vista partition. I suck at partitioning so I would not use.
[03:38] <Xero> vader1102, delete Vista,
[03:38] <Xero> FUD/DRM/Microsoft for the lose
[03:38] <vader1102> Xero, I would if I did not support businesses that use it
[03:38] <Xero> Oh crap.
[03:38] <vader1102> yup lol
[03:38] <Xero> Your situation sucks.
[03:39] <vader1102> Up until 7.04 I was an avid user, 7.04 is when I got this lappy lol
[03:42] <sayers> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199201179&pgno=4&queryText= arrticles like these are made by stupid people
[03:42] <sayers> saying that windows installer inspired ubuntus
[03:42] <sayers> but this isnt offtopic sorry :*(
[03:42] <Xero> Roffle mao
[03:42] <DanaG> Wow, update-manager eats CPU while downloading changelogs.
[03:42] <Xero> Windows sucks. Period.
[03:43] <sayers> Xero, not true, it has features like Disk Defrag that if you like waisting time are quite usful
[03:43] <Xero> lol sayers
[03:43] <sayers> and lets not forget virus scanners for when your busy but need to make sure your secure
[03:43] <sayers> and we cant forget internet explorer
[03:44] <Xero> IE sucks
[03:44] <sayers> tabbed browsing is a BRAND NEW IDEA
[03:44] <Xero> Yeah it is
[03:44] <Xero> Firefox wont have it for another month I betg
[03:44] <Xero> *bet
[03:44] <sayers> ;P
[03:44] <sayers> they atleast have Aero
[03:44] <Xero> Lol
[03:44] <Xero> Aero < Beryl
[03:44] <sayers> which is way better than any Terminal Shell in linux
[03:44] <sayers> Beryl < Crap patty
[03:45] <Xero> WTF?
[03:45] <vader1102> I don't use Explorer since version whatever
[03:45] <sayers> Xero, Compiz Fusion
[03:45] <Xero> Beryl > > > > > > > > > > > > Crap Patty
[03:45] <sayers> Compiz Fusion > 100000000 Crap Patties
[03:45] <Xero> Compiz Fusion sucks for me.
[03:45] <sayers> why?
[03:45] <Xero> It eats my CPU up
[03:45] <Xero> Beryl produces the same effects WHILE PLAYING WARCRAFT
[03:45] <Xero> and all on 10% cpu instead of 90
[03:46] <Xero> How is that a crap patty?
[03:46] <vader1102> when is gusty due to be final?
[03:46] <Xero> October 10
[03:47] <Xero> I think
[03:47] <vader1102> cool ty
[03:47] <Xero> 7.10 2007 10th month
[03:47] <Xero> I know its in october
[03:48] <IntuitiveNipple> vader1102: I'e not had problems with Edgy or Feisty or Gutsy detecting NTFS/Vista partitions
[03:48] <Xero> NTFS != WinFS
[03:48] <Xero> WinFS = NTFS + Crapware
[03:49] <vader1102> IntuitiveNipple, I have. The last 2 have not seen either Linux or NTFS partitions on my hp dv series lappy
[03:49] <sayers> Xero, If they'd adopt ext 3 they would have all these problems
[03:50] <IntuitiveNipple> vader1102: that does sound strange... when you say "seen", at what level? Gparted, (c)fdisk?
[03:50] <Xero> sayers, what problems?
[03:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Xero: WinFS *isn't* shipped in Vista
[03:50] <vader1102> IntuitiveNipple, it is with the graphical installer
[03:50] <Xero> Naked women.
[03:51] <Xero> If Vista had naked women that jumped out of the monitor I might use it.
[03:51] <IntuitiveNipple> vader1102: Hmmm... Is this with the default HP installation on the PC?
[03:51] <vader1102> yes IntuitiveNipple
[03:51] <Xero> Oh crap HP has falled fictim to the TCPA.
[03:51] <Xero> Hell froze over. Armageddon begins.
[03:51] <vader1102> but I gave Linux a bunch of space *g*
[03:52] <Xero> *fallen victim
[03:53] <IntuitiveNipple> vader1102: When I installed, I first booted into Vista and resized the Vista partition down to 27GB using Disk Management, then booted the Linux LiveCD and installed into the free space. It also detected properly the disk's System Recovery and Vista partitions (#1 and #2)
[03:53] <IntuitiveNipple> vader1102: It seems strange if this happens on three different versions too.
[03:54] <vader1102> hmmmmmmmmmm.. the last time I tried a month ago, the live cd would not even boot completely. I think it is the video I have on here
[03:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy?
[03:54] <vader1102> I have not tried gusty as yet
[03:54] <IntuitiveNipple> What video chipset does it have?
[03:55] <vader1102> Nvidia GeFprce Go 6150
[03:55] <vader1102> Geforce
[03:56] <IntuitiveNipple> It *should* be okay - this Vaio has 7600, not seen any problems in Feisty, or Gutsy tribe-4/5
[03:56] <vader1102> I wonder what the he** I am doing wrong then
[03:56] <IntuitiveNipple> lol... its not you, it's the PC always!
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> I bet it's something magical like... fingerprints on the CD :p
[03:57] <vader1102> I tried passing the noapic noalpic and all of that crap as well
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> What specific model is it?
[03:57] <vader1102> fresh burn allways
[03:57] <vader1102> dv9201ca
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> let me dig in the bugs...
[03:57] <vader1102> kk
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't find any mentions of problems with it... just some comments on getting the firmware for the Wifi sorted out
[03:59] <vader1102> lol I will try another dl........ maybe somehow I got corrupted dl's
[04:00] <IntuitiveNipple> When you boot the LiveCD, do you do anything 'special' before starting the installer?
[04:00] <jxxxt> Any one know why when I click on restricted driver for broadcom wireless it exits with a failed message
[04:00] <IntuitiveNipple> best to always run the CD-check from the CD boot menu once, it saves a lot of agro later
[04:00] <vader1102> no, normally I just go into one of my irc channels and then get it going
[04:02] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't think of any reason the GUI/Gparted component of the installer would ignore partitions.
[04:02] <vader1102> I will dl the newest Feisty in a few
[04:03] <vader1102> I will go into winders and delete my Linux partitions and then install from there
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Whilst you're there check if the Windows partitions are basic or dynamic
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> That could have an impact on it
[04:06] <vader1102> ok. If it is dynamic I am screwed ll
[04:06] <vader1102> hold on, it aint......... I am on F7 talking to you right now lol
[04:09] <vader1102> jxxxt, I would imagine that it would be a not so good driver or firmware..... don't know for sure as I am on fedora as of right now, but that is what I would consider
[04:10] <vader1102> jxxxt, does dmesg give you any ideas?
[04:17] <jxxxt> vader1102, I was using it OK with dapper drake and just came up to gutsy on the recommend of a friend who thought the wireless thing to be easy. Maybe not so huh?
[04:18] <vader1102> jxxxt, it might be. I would see what dmesg says about it. Most of the time that will let you know if it is the driver
[04:19] <Xero> Anyone know how to get Fusion-like wobble in Beryl?
[04:20] <Xero> It looks a bit smoother in Fusion
[04:20] <jxxxt> vader1102, many times this message in dmseg [ 1430.669924]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[04:20] <DanaG> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter
[04:20] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-3 (gutsy), package size 25 kB, installed size 116 kB
[04:21] <vader1102> jxxxt, I was about to say it looks like you have the wrong firmware lol but it looks like DanaG beat me to the typing punch
[04:21] <jxxxt> DanaG, I tried to use this from the Gutsy gui on restricted drivers and it failed.
[04:21] <DanaG> Restricted-manager is broken for me.
[04:22] <DanaG> "Fetch from internet" -- OK.  Downloads........ back to main screen, still unchecked.
[04:22] <jxxxt> vader1102, DanaG.ok guys I guess it is back to the forums for me LOL
[04:23] <DanaG> Use local file: browse or type path, hit OK.  OK.  OK!  Bang on mouse button!  WTF, it doesn't do anything!
[04:24] <vader1102> lol......... jxxxt I would not know what to check for you, or I would. Right now I am looking into doing a fiesty install on my lappy. I would install gusty but I need something that is stable for I go to clients homes with it, and don't want to take a borked system lol
[04:26] <jxxxt> vader1102, Fair enough, I have time on my side (and an ethernet cable in my pocket)
[04:26] <vader1102> lol
[04:30] <Xero> Anyone know how to get Fusion-like wobble in Beryl?
[04:30] <IntuitiveNipple> shake the LCD?
[04:30] <Xero> ....
[04:31] <Xero> Jerk
[04:31] <Xero> By the way, that didn't work, either.
[04:31] <Xero> I actually tried it.
[04:31] <xtknight> omgees!  he was serious!  i actually tried it
[04:31] <Xero> lol.
[04:32] <vader1102> Xero, I have no clue. Let me look
[04:32] <Xero> I got it so that it moves like Fusion but it isnt exactly as smooth.
[04:32] <Xero> In fusion I can move a big window without it snapping/jerking around.
[04:33] <Xero> Very fluid
[04:34] <vader1102> hmmmmmmmmmm not sure. I will look once I get the install stuff worked out, if you can wait for a couple of hours. Have some important dl's happening right now
[04:34] <Xero> I can't wait a few hours unless I go to bed during those hours.
[04:41] <vader1102> sorry Xero I am remoted into another pc right now. I  cannot do anything for a while
[04:41] <Artimus> Is anything major broken in Gutsy right now?  (Base system, X, KDE, Konqueror, Kopete, Konqueror, Konversation)?
[04:51] <nickrud> shoot, all but the first two could be broke, and no worries ;)
[04:51] <nickrud> Artimus, but the first two are ok
[04:51] <pidgas> did an update/full-upgrade cycle today.  Now my xsession fails over.  The .xsession-errors file starts with a Gtk-WARNING that a process is running setuid or setgid and that GTK+ is refusing to initialize.  I logged in to a failsafe terminal and ran xfce4-session which started right up (I'm using right now).  Anyone else run into this or a similar error (I'm using xubuntu gutsy)?
[04:51] <Artimus> nickrud: Yeah...  I'm setting up a chroot
[05:08] <Azerial> Hello, I'm having a problem in 7.04 with my CD/DVD Burner combo drive Not working at all, like it does not exist, a thread in the Ubuntu Forums a user had the same problem and upgraded to Gusty and it fixed it.
[05:08] <Azerial> think this would work for me?
[05:09] <ZigZag> hey guys
[05:09] <ZigZag> and girls
[05:09] <IntuitiveNipple> I can see why you're called ZigZag :)
[05:09] <ZigZag> ;-P
[05:09] <ZigZag> haha
[05:10] <ZigZag> yeah good intuition
[05:10] <Azerial> hah
[05:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Azerial: It depends whether you can confirm the reason for the problem is the same.
[05:10] <Azerial> Well All I know is my CD/DVD Burner combo drive does not exist to Ubuntu
[05:10] <ZigZag> need help: upgraded from feisty to gutsy and my previosuly working X got broken.. not login screen... ATI Radeon X600
[05:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Azerial: Remember Gutsy is still in alpha-test, not guaranteed to work or be reliable
[05:11] <Azerial> worse come to worse I can reinstall 7.04
[05:11] <ZigZag> not login screen=no login screen
[05:11] <Azerial> and all my data Is backed up across 20 some data cds
[05:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Azerial: what debugging have you done? Have you search launchpad bugs, checked the dmesg log file to see if/how the device is reported at boot-time?
[05:12] <Azerial> I dont understand what your saying NIpple
[05:12] <Azerial> Im a first timer to linux
[05:12] <Azerial> Ive been using it a little over 24 hours
[05:12] <Azerial> and banging my head agasint the wall for that entire time trying to get this stupid cd/dvd burner drive working
[05:13] <Azerial> Its my only cd/dvd drive on the computer and it baffles me how I could isntall Ubuntu with it but not use it once ubuntu is installed
[05:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Azerial: okay.... Ubuntu has a web-site called 'launchpad' part of which handles bug reports. Your first step would be to search the existing bug reports for anything that looks similar. you might find a solution is already available.
[05:13] <Azerial> link please?
[05:13] <IntuitiveNipple> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[05:16] <ZigZag> uhm?
[05:16] <Azerial> cant find anything about SATA DVD/CD Burner combo drives
[05:16] <Azerial> on launchpad
[05:18] <ZigZag> anyone?
[05:34] <PiNE> hi everybody!  i just installed 7.10 on a thinkpad t61. i am following the advice in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_%28Gutsy_Gibbon%29_Tribe_5_on_a_ThinkPad_T61 about the sound but it still doesn't work.  any ideas?
[05:36] <Maczimus> ok this is weird guys, I have an ATI card (x200) to be exact in my laptop. never been able to do the composite effects. Installed the xserver-xgl thing and did nothing else for fear of messing something up. but that was like 2 days ago. but now for some reason effects are working was there some kind of update or something?
[05:36] <Maczimus> oh i am running gutsy and I love it
[05:45] <PiNE> when i open the volume control, under the playback tab i have PCM, Microphone and Internal Mic (which is muted)
[05:45] <PiNE> in the switches tab i have headphones and Speakers (both checked)
[05:46] <PiNE> and in the Options tab i have input source as mic and input source as mic.
[05:46] <PiNE> does that seem okay?
[06:19] <jscinoz> Hey guys, I'm running ubuntu 7.10 tribe 5 on a dell XPS m1330 laptop (santa rosa). It has an intel soundcard, and since the .10 kernel, ALSA does not work, when i try to load the snd_hda_intel module, or run anything related to alsa (amixer, asoundconf, etc) the terminal window is filled with "ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 <NEWLINE> audio_alsa: Error: control open (0):
[06:19] <jscinoz>  No such file or directory", how can i fix this?
[06:32] <jmg> hi all
[06:33] <jmg> dist-upgrading gutsy broke my custom gdm setup and my desktop. gnome-terminal displays a white box and there are no window decorations
[06:42] <nemik> jscinoz: get the svn version of als
[06:42] <nemik> *alsa
[06:42] <jmg> :(
[06:42] <jscinoz> is there a guide on how to do this? last time i did that i ended up breaking gtk somehow
[06:48] <Artimus> So, killall is broken in Gutsy and apparantly "killall5" is very violent, even when run accidentally from a chroot.
[06:56] <DanaG> Wow, pkill -v is dangerous.
[06:57] <DanaG> What would you think the -v would be?
[06:57] <DanaG> I thought it'd be 'verbose', but nope:
[06:57] <DanaG>  -v     Negates the matching.
[06:57] <crdlb> O_o
[06:57] <DanaG> Luckily, I ran it not as root.
[06:57] <crdlb> couldn't they have picked a different letter?
[06:57] <DanaG> Where the heck do they get 'v' from?
[06:58] <DanaG> There's no V in "Negates the matching."
[06:58] <shirish> hi all, does anybody how I can use netstat to find out which port pidgin is using for let's say chatting on IRC server.
[06:58] <crdlb> if you cut M in half and flip it ...
[06:58] <DanaG> There's only A E G H I M N S T
[06:58] <DanaG> No 'v'.
[06:59] <DanaG>  pkill --help
[06:59] <DanaG> pkill: invalid option -- -
[06:59] <DanaG> Usage: pkill [-SIGNAL]  [-fvx]  [-n|-o]  [-P PPIDLIST]  [-g PGRPLIST]  [-s SIDLIST]  [-u EUIDLIST]  [-U UIDLIST]  [-G GIDLIST]  [-t TERMLIST]  [PATTERN] 
[06:59] <DanaG> Doesn't give any idea what f,v,x is.
[07:00] <crdlb> and those look like the standard tar args
[07:01] <shirish> does anybody how I can use netstat to find out which ports are used by pidgin to connect with IRC, with MSN & other chat servers
[07:01] <Hobbsee> DanaG: try  man pkill
[07:01] <DanaG> netstat -p
[07:01] <DanaG> I did try man -- after --help didn't help.
[07:02] <DanaG> netstat -p pidgin
[07:03] <DanaG> oh wait, that didn't do it.
[07:03] <shirish> I had tried both of them before, they didn't work, hence asked
[07:03] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ah, darn.
[07:04] <shirish> I had also googled but failed to find anything appropriate, somebody did tell me about a netstat -ban but even that cmd doesn't work.
[07:05] <DanaG> Well, you may be able to do something with sed or grep.
[07:05] <DanaG> But I don't know them well enough to help with that.
[07:07] <shirish> DanaG: same here, they are a mystery to me, the only one I know is grep a bit.
[07:17] <DanaG> Wow, now even my spam is mentioning Linux.
[07:18] <DanaG> Sample line:  Cumpara ubuntu user rating monday august anunat. Funcii apparmor dezvoltat novell, devenit opensource urm? Create cateva principale
[07:21] <hylje> heh, bull generator
[07:22] <jscinoz> whats the URL for the alsa svn?
[07:45] <DanaG>  keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 242
[07:49] <DanaG> Argh.
[07:49] <DanaG> I used setkeycodes, and xev still won't pick up the buttons.
[07:50] <crimsun> jscinoz: it uses hg, not svn.
[07:51] <jscinoz> Whats the url for that then?
[07:51] <crimsun> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download#ALSA_HG_.28Mercurial.29_SCM_repositories
[07:52] <crimsun> remember to use hg.alsa-project, not hg-mirror.alsa-project
[07:53] <jscinoz> cheers
[07:53] <jscinoz> i hope i dont break something this time
[07:56] <DanaG> I've always found it odd that, on many onboard audio devices, pc speaker cannot be volume controlled.
[08:19] <DanaG> wtfhell?  To give Xorg keycode 242, I have to setkeycode to 138.
[08:19] <DanaG> I had to literally go
[08:20] <DanaG> sudo setkeycodes e073 100
[08:20] <DanaG> Start from 0 and go all the way up to find it.
[08:22] <DanaG> I wish there were a way to get xev to show only key events.
[08:25] <DanaG> Ooh, I just found 'eject'.
[08:26] <DanaG> However, it's not the keycode I'm looking for...
[08:28] <DanaG> Hmm, what exactly is mode_switch?
[08:40] <jscinoz> Being over my bandwidth limit SUCKS.
[08:40] <jscinoz> taking forever to hg-clone the new alsa driver
[08:45] <jscinoz> Compiz-fusion runs perfectly on 7.10 tribe 5 except for one thing: When i start something else which needs hardware acceleration, or i exit compiz-fusion, either by "metacity --replace" or killing the process, my entire system hangs. any ideas?
[08:45] <DanaG> Wow, that was annoying: I had to go one by one up to 239 to find the right keycode.
[08:45] <DanaG> I wonder how many people have this model of laptop.
[08:46] <DanaG> And use any distro of Linux .
[08:46] <pwnguin> does displayconfig or bulletproof x actually work?
[08:47] <bikeboy> pwnguin: there's a demo and a few instructions from the dev floating around the web, you seen it?
[08:48] <pwnguin> bikeboy: was just thinking that i still cant set up tv out on my laptop with gutsy
[08:48] <pwnguin> was wondering if this was common or just me
[08:49] <bikeboy> pwnguin: i don't think the bulletproof part is enabled yet, but it's there. Displayconfig has been ok for me so far though
[08:49] <pwnguin> display config doesn't cope well for me
[08:49] <pwnguin> sometimes it crashes
[08:49] <pwnguin> sometimes it just locks up x =(
[08:50] <pwnguin> i had been resorting to vista for playback since it at least worked, but media player classic is kinda crappy
[08:50] <bikeboy> i guess you can only file/work on bugs, or hope for the best...
[08:52] <jscinoz> hey guys, im trying to install the latest ALSA driver from HG, however it asks me to set the alsa-kernel directory, via an environment variable, what dir should i use and what command to set it?
[08:52] <pwnguin> hg?
[08:54] <jscinoz> like svn
[08:54] <jscinoz> just slightly different
[08:54] <jscinoz> but the question was, what directory should i set when it asks for the alsa-kernel dir
[08:56] <DanaG> Odd: I have my media keys set to super-{z,x,c,v,b}, yet dbus-monitor shows nothing when I press them.
[08:59] <pvandewyngaerde> you can monitor x events with xev
[08:59] <jscinoz> i set an environment value with "env varname=varvalue" right?
[09:00] <DanaG> I'm trying to monitor dbus events, though.
[09:01] <pvandewyngaerde> jscinoz:  isnt it "export" ?
[09:01] <jscinoz> ah
[09:01] <jscinoz> :P
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, i have no manual entry for it
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> http://webtools.live2support.com/linux/export.php
[09:04] <xtknight> the "clicking" in mp3s for rhythmbox is a known problem, i assume?
[09:04] <Jordan_U> xtknight, Check launchpad
[09:09] <Hobbsee> meh.  too many bugs.
[09:11] <xtknight> !logs
[09:11] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[09:13] <xtknight> hmm ubuntu+1 ones are all 0'd out.  thought i hear something about the rhythmbox/mp3 problem in here
[09:36] <alesan> hi, could you tell me if in gutsy the gksu "fade" effect can be disabled preserving the security feature to grab the entire screen?
[09:36] <SeveredCross> I don't think it can...
[09:37] <Jordan_U> alesan, I am sure it can
[09:40] <alesan> Jordan_U: so this is solved:
[09:40] <alesan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235560&page=4 <- feisty has this problem
[09:48] <Jordan_U> alesan, This sounds like an interesting challenge :)
[09:55] <shirish> guys can anybody tell me where I can find more info. about dash, I failed to find more info. about dash through google , I'm looking for comparison between dash & bash if possible
[09:57] <arooni> has anyone had trouble with an unstable eclipse?
[09:58] <shirish> arooni, I can install it & help you test something but don't know anything about development
[09:59] <arooni> shirish, thanx; i was more concerned about how it crashes all the time
[09:59] <arooni> not about developing code with it ;p
[09:59] <arooni> although id like to do that; provided it doesnt crash
[10:00] <shirish> arooni, I can install it, how do I trigger the crash, have you put up a bug-report about it?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> bah, eclipse.
[10:01] <arooni> shirish, hang on a sec; i'm thinking its the vim plugin i put in there
[10:01] <shirish> Hobbsee, hi
[10:02] <Hobbsee> hi shirish
[10:02] <shirish> arooni, I think its something like that, for Eclipse runs fine, although I'm using gcj
[10:02] <arooni> shirish, ah ok; i'm using sun java 6
[10:02] <shirish> arooni, it showed me the welcome screen & some icons
[10:02] <arooni> can you see if running it with sun java 6 blows it up
[10:02] <arooni> do you have gusty?
[10:02] <arooni> cuz i do too
[10:02] <shirish> arooni, yes, I'm on gutsy
[10:03] <shirish> arooni, I'm trying to use everything without using sun java as far as possible
[10:03] <shirish> not trying, doing
[10:04] <arooni> well
[10:04] <arooni> thats probably a good move
[10:04] <arooni> i need it for radrails & aptana's plugin to work
[10:05] <shirish> arooni, somehow my experience with sun java have not been good, gcj on the other hand has not had any major problems except some third-party .jar's not running but that's to be expected I guess.
[10:06] <arooni> man its crashing like riciulously bad
[10:06] <arooni> i just click menu optoins
[10:06] <arooni> and boom
[10:06] <arooni> i mean i select 'search for updates' and its toast
[10:06] <arooni> maybe i should revert to sun java 5
[10:06] <jscinoz> hey guys
[10:06] <jscinoz> i just installed a new alsa-driver from source
[10:06] <arooni> how do i get sun java 5 ?
[10:06] <SeveredCross> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin?
[10:06] <arooni> what should i type in command line?
[10:06] <jscinoz> but if i try to modprobe snd-hda-intel it says invalid symbol
[10:06] <Hobbsee> !java
[10:06] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[10:07] <jscinoz> any ideas?
[10:07] <SeveredCross> Also, does anyone know if there's a lowlatency kernel on Gutsy?
[10:07] <arooni> jscinoz, do yo uhave a t61?
[10:07] <arooni> by chance
[10:07] <SeveredCross> All I see is the realtime kernel, but I think that's a little extreme.
[10:07] <jscinoz> nope, dell xps m1330
[10:07] <jscinoz> santa rosa
[10:08] <shirish> !dash
[10:08] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash 
[10:08] <arooni> yup i have the santa rosa too
[10:08] <shirish> ubotu dash
[10:09] <jscinoz> Here's a pastebin of both the modprobe, and a dmesg after it
[10:09] <jscinoz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36013/
[10:14] <DanaG> !botsnack
[10:14] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:23] <jscinoz> this is bullshit...
[10:24] <Hobbsee> ...
[10:24] <jscinoz> You'd think the dev's would check a kernel update before releasing it to see if it had any bugs that completely borked alsa on any intel based chips
[10:24] <DanaG> Argh, this sound card sounds all crappy.  Like it's getting saturated.
[10:24] <jscinoz> i've spent the better part of a day trying to get alsa working, i've recompiled from source, removed the old one and i still get "Unkown symbol"
[10:24] <hylje> you're using a pre-beta release, you are the testers
[10:25] <Hobbsee> er, they do test the kernel updates
[10:25] <jscinoz> Hylje, its not like i had a choice, feisty does not work on santa rosa chipsets
[10:25] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: has it occured to you, before you started to bitch, that there are actually multiple intel soundcards, and so that testing all of them on their own hardware is impossible?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: use another distro, come back when gutsy is released, if you feel so inclined.
[10:26] <jscinoz> from previous conversations i've had here, anyone who has a santa-rosa laptop, and the .10 kernel, has no alsa what soever
[10:26] <Hobbsee> wouldnt surprise me
[10:26] <Hobbsee> has anyone from the kernel team got their hands on a santa rosa laptop yet?
[10:26] <jscinoz> and i was suggested to rebuild the newest alsa from the source i got from the hg repo, and after doing that, i now get "unkown symbol" when trying to load the "snd-hda-intel" module
[10:26] <Hobbsee> has anyone from alsa?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> but, by all means bitch that the devs dont test things, and are crap, because they didnt test on your particular hardware.
[10:27] <jscinoz> ...
[10:27] <jscinoz> or any santa-rosa pc...
[10:27] <Hobbsee> the point remains.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> what's the percentage of santa-rosa pc's, compared to the rest, incidently?
[10:28] <hylje> if you donate any santa-rosa pc, which appear ubiquituous by your wording, chances are hardware problems diminish
[10:28] <Hobbsee> i didnt think it was that high yet
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hylje: heh, yeah.    that would be helpful
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: how important is that konvi patch for compiz?
[10:29] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: not terribly but it makes konvi work right
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: mmm ok
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i'm hoping they actually make a release sometime soonish, but they probably wont
[10:30] <Amaranth> apparently without it konvi's server list is always visible but can't be used
[10:30] <Hobbsee> how useful.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: remind me on monday, then.
[10:31] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: alright, if i remember
[10:38] <mewt> mornin'
[10:53] <csulok> hey
[10:53] <csulok> after moving my pc i accedentally connected the tft monitor to the other DVI slot and now i cant start X.org
[10:54] <csulok> when booting in normal mode i get some error, and some detail log
[10:54] <csulok> could someone help me fix this?
[10:54] <csulok> i have all the latest updates in gutsy
[10:57] <csulok> what the loading bar of the splash screen finishes, i get the following message:
[10:57] <csulok> failed to start the x server. it is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem?
[10:57] <csulok> and at the end of the log i see: fatal server error: no screens found
[11:07] <blitzcoder> Hi, I did an Upgrade to Gutsy, and now I have no Sound. Alsa is installed, And the Hardware-Manager shows the Card. Volume is 100%
[11:29] <DanaG> Is there any way (besides Timidity) to play midi on snd-via82xx?
[11:38] <blitzcoder> Hm, No Sound, No KDE-Icons.
[11:38] <blitzcoder> Gutsy rocks ;)
[11:39] <spikeb> the second part sounds good to me ;)
[11:39] <blitzcoder> I use Gnome, but all KDE Apps have no Icons...
[11:40] <blitzcoder> If I try to test Sound, I get an Error, mom, Screenshot.
[11:42] <blitzcoder> http://81.173.142.113/sound.jpg
[11:42] <blitzcoder> This appears if I click the first Test-Button.
[12:09] <Dannilion> humm... compiz-fusion crashes my laptop
[12:09] <Dannilion> it never used to do that
[12:25] <etnoy> hello
[12:25] <etnoy> since two days ago I cannot hibernate
[12:25] <etnoy> there is no such option in the shutdown dialog
[12:25] <etnoy> gconf says can_hibernate true
[12:25] <etnoy> in gutsy, of course
[12:30] <DanaG>  sudo cp /media/Documents/PAX-FI\ +\ Audigy2/ <TAB><TAB><TAB>
[12:30] <Hobbsee> etnoy: tried updating again?
[12:30] <DanaG> Argh, I can't tab-complete past there!
[12:33] <etnoy> Hobbsee: yes, the updates only affect the compiler
[12:33] <etnoy> brb lunchtime
[12:33] <Hobbsee> there was a suspend one in there too...
[12:40] <skwashd> hi all
[12:40] <skwashd> earlier today i upgraded to gutsy
[12:40] <skwashd> i can cope with everything except the speed
[12:41] <skwashd> i am running a pentium M 1.86 Ghz 1G RAM with gnome
[12:42] <skwashd> my gf's mac lombard 333Mhz cpu 256M RAM running xubuntu 7.04 leave my laptop for dead
[12:42] <skwashd> i have killed trackerd ... and that hasn't improved things
[12:45] <skwashd> brb ... trying something
[12:45] <__tim> on my laptop updatedb is what brings the system down to a crawl on each first login of the day
[12:50] <shirish> see ya guys
[12:50] <^^MAg^^> __tim: you've got original ubuntu kernel?
[12:51] <__tim> yes
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> hmm strange then, is everything ok with your disk?
[12:53] <__tim> yes
[12:53] <__tim> I think it's a known problem with the gutsy kernel, no?
[12:54] <^^MAg^^> cwawlin in the background is normal, but it should not made the system unresponsive
[12:55] <__tim> see http://jamiemcc.livejournal.com/9520.html - for me nothing has really changed since
[01:02] <Ramunas> hello, after an update yesterday my system won't start
[01:02] <Ramunas> I get kernel panic bacause it can't mount root VFS
[01:03] <Ramunas> any ideas?
[01:06] <Ramunas> nobody has the same?
[01:19] <ramunasM> I'm back, so nobody got a kernel panic after latest updates?
[01:28] <Do``> o/
[01:29] <Do``> i heard tribe 5 has some beta package called ubufox and that it has a plugin finder service
[01:29] <Do``> and someone here says https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/131212 if i install flash with that, it might solve some bugs
[01:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131212 in flashplugin-nonfree "[gutsy]  opera slow down/crash when browsing a page with flash (non-free) content" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:30] <Do``> so how do i trigger this service?
[01:36] <askand> Im planning to change graphics card in my computer..from ati to nvidia...how do you recommend me to do? SHould I reinstall ubuntu?
[01:36] <Norrel> remove ati driver
[01:36] <Norrel> then change card
[01:36] <Norrel> then install nvidia driver
[01:37] <penguin42> after todays reboot my intel sound problems have changed; it's now very quiet and removing and reinserting snd_hda_intel doesn't help
[01:37] <askand> Norrel: ok..should i do something with xorg?
[01:38] <Norrel> askand: if you edited something by hand. Nvidia driver should change it enough
[01:38] <Norrel> can't be sure because I'm using Intel
[01:50] <ramunasM> so, any suggestiosn what to do about my kernel panic?
[01:50] <ramunasM> *suggestions
[01:55] <ramunasM> hello?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> hello
[01:56] <sits> Is Gutsy's gnome-power-manager broken with regard to dbus?
[01:57] <bryanl> anyone here know of a kde4 beta dpkg set for gutsy?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> I don't know.... never used it. I use the kubuntu one.
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> I think the gnome-power-manager is port of that though.
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> bryanl: kde4 is right in the repositories!
[01:59] <bryanl> nosrednaekim: hahaha i didn't think to check
[01:59] <bryanl> i love the lazy web
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:59] <bryanl> doh it
[01:59] <bryanl> doh it is
[01:59] <skwashd> yay fixed!
[02:00] <skwashd> --purge is a great optiokn
[02:00] <penguin42> kde4 is in repos? Oooh - I hadn't thought to check either - does any of it work?
[02:02] <bryanl> penguin42: I'm downloading it now
[02:02] <bryanl> should be here in less than 15 minutes
[02:03] <Kakeman> anyone with nvidia 8xxx?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> penguin42: some of it works... the apps are pretty nice actually. but the actual desktop is pretty mch broken.
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> But if you just run the apps, its pretty amazing. I love Dolphin.
[02:06] <penguin42> remind me, what's Dolphin?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> Dophin is the file manager
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:07] <DanaG> That's odd..... my computer just randomly switched to a different VT.
[02:08] <ramunasM> so nobody got Kernel Panic after latest updates?
[02:08] <ramunasM> just me?
[02:08] <Kakeman> 2.6.22-10?
[02:09] <Kakeman> i got
[02:09] <Kakeman> something about filesystem
[02:09] <ramunasM> Kakeman: can't mount root VFS?
[02:09] <Kakeman> yes
[02:09] <ramunasM> same here
[02:10] <ramunasM> :(
[02:10] <Kakeman> but i boot from usb ;P
[02:10] <ramunasM> lucky me that I have older kernel which is working
[02:10] <penguin42> if you boot again does it work or always fail? And is it can't mount root VFS?
[02:11] <ramunasM> penguin42: tried like 3 times, always failed
[02:11] <Kakeman> i installed realtime kernel package and it works :/
[02:11] <penguin42> ramunasM: OK, what hardware is your root partition on?
[02:11] <ramunasM> on WD 80GB hdd, need more specs?
[02:12] <ramunasM> not SATA if that's what you want
[02:12] <Kakeman> there is usb ide controller on my msi mainboard
[02:13] <Kakeman> it is possible that you have usb ide controller too
[02:14] <penguin42> ramunasM: Hmm OK, so just a PATA disc on a motherboard controller
[02:14] <penguin42> Kakeman: Wow that's really odd for x86 machines
[02:15] <ramunasM> penguin42: yes
[02:16] <Kakeman> i installed kubuntu like 12 hours... i had to umount to get grub installed :P
[02:16] <Kakeman> i had to find it out
[02:16] <penguin42> ramunasM: Best file a bug report together with an lspci from the machine if you can get it so they know what IDE controllers etc you have
[02:18] <sits> penguin42: could be a busted initrd
[02:18] <penguin42> nod
[02:19] <penguin42> sits: You wonder how much testing is getting done on PATA machines these days
[02:19] <sits> penguin42: hard to say really
[02:19] <sits> penguin42: it gets done
[02:19] <sits> penguin42: but I know Alan (he lives a few blocks from me) has been busy with the move to libata
[02:20] <penguin42> yeh but I bet not much Ubuntu testing gets done with PATA
[02:20] <ramunasM> submited as #136762
[02:20] <sits> penguin42: again hard to say. There was a case a few months ago that was... interesting...
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> bug #136762
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136762 in ubuntu "Kernel panic on boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136762
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ah
[02:21] <sits> penguin42: if you've got half an hour to waste take a look at #/116996
[02:21] <penguin42> sits: After breakfast :-)
[02:22] <sits> penguin42: heh. It's not that interesting a bug but it does elaborate on what you're saying
[02:25] <Kakeman> try 2.6.22-10-rt seems that bug is only in generic kernel
[02:35] <Zapt> hi
[02:35] <Zapt> has anybody tried running gutsy?
[02:36] <Zapt> I know it is still in unstable version but I need to reinstall my machine and I am curious how it performs
[02:36] <PriceChild> Zapt, My advice is don't use gutsy until it is released.
[02:37] <PriceChild> If you have to ask the question "what's it like?" instead of just going and trying it out then you shouldn't be running it imo.
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> everyone here has..
[02:37] <Zapt> well I am not a newb to linux/ubuntu
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... unless you are doing it to help out with bugs and such
[02:37] <Zapt> PriceChild, well then I would have to invest the whole sunday
[02:38] <PriceChild> Zapt, our opinions don't matter.
[02:38] <PriceChild> You will only know how good it is when you do what you do with it and make your own informed decsion
[02:38] <Zapt> I installed gutsy like 2 months ago and it was pretty unstable
[02:38] <PriceChild> for all you know... I use no gui and so my opinion that its amazing... could be for very different reasons than you're interested in.
[02:39] <Zapt> yes it's an alpha I know
[02:39] <Zapt> well my aim is to increase battery time
[02:40] <Zapt> it didn't run well under my selfbuilt kernel
[02:40] <Zapt> feisty that is
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> battery life is minimally improved.... not worth the unstability though.
[02:41] <Zapt> I'm talking about powertop
[02:41] <Zapt> so it still is pretty unstable as before?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Zapt: of course it's more stable than before, by definition.  it's been developed for longer.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Zapt: throw it on a test system, or dual boot, if you're going to file bugs and such
[02:48] <DanaG> Works fine, though not libata.
[02:55] <penguin42> sits: Ah the intel chipset stuff can be fun
[02:56] <penguin42> sits: I've got a bunch of Dell Optiplex 745's at work; they are nice boxes but they do have the latest Intel sata controllers in and you really do have to get a kernel that is comfortable with them
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> can't you put them in compatibility mode?
[03:02] <penguin42> nosrednaekim: Sometimes but then the performance _stinks_
[03:03] <sindile_> how do you enable more than two workspaces
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> ah
[03:07] <ramunasM> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136762
[03:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136762 in ubuntu "Kernel panic on boot" [Undecided,New] 
[03:07] <ramunasM> any suggestions how to work around it?
[03:08] <sits> Hobbsee: turns out that gnome-power-manager was working as it should do and the problem was with the examples I was trying to run
[03:08] <sits> Hobbsee: apologies for the noise
[03:08] <Hobbsee> sits: ah!  No problem, glad it's solved.
[03:09] <sits> Hobbsee: (additionally the applet isn't meant to stop suspend when the lid is closed - only when autosuspend happens. I have no idea where I got the former thought from)
[03:09] <ramunasM> btw, anybody else having problems with Quit button in the panel?
[03:09] <ramunasM> when I click on it, it freezes my PC for some time
[03:09] <sits> ramunasM: problems how?
[03:09] <ramunasM> and after that it finally displays the menu
[03:10] <sits> ramunasM: could be a g-p-m problem
[03:10] <sits> if hal is broken then that can happen
[03:10] <sindile_> any ideas on having more than two workspaces
[03:11] <ramunasM> sindile_: what's the problem?
[03:11] <penguin42> sindile_: Right click on the workspace switcher and go to preferences
[03:11] <penguin42> sindile_: Unless you are using the cube desktop effect when you get 6
[03:12] <sits> penguin42: Has it moved?
[03:12] <sindile_> penguin42: workspace switcher applet only has these two options: show only current workspace and show workspace in -- rows
[03:12] <sits> penguin42: someone murmered something that it is a compiz manager setting in general somewhere
[03:13] <sits> I don't really know myself
[03:13] <sits> ramunasM: e.g. /etc/init.d/hal stop and then click the quit button causes a long pause
[03:14] <penguin42> sindile_: Interesting for me I have 'show only the current workspace/show all workspaces in 'n' rows' and a 'number of workspaces' entry and '[wrokspace names' list
[03:14] <penguin42> sits: Ah - now I don't use compiz - it's entirely possible it is elsewhere on compiz
[03:15] <sindile_> penguin42: any idea why this could be happening
[03:16] <sits> penguin42: I remember it used to be distinct
[03:16] <sits> penguin42: because you weren't altering the real desktops but rather the hsize of some "virtual" ones
[03:17] <sits> penguin42: but I don't use compiz much these days either
[03:17] <penguin42> really? This isn't virtual screen size - it's just number of workspaces
[03:17] <penguin42> There doesn't seem much point unless you want to make your windows harder to positio
[03:17] <penguin42> n
[03:18] <sits> penguin42: well if you ever had real desktops on feisty then you would get fading switching between them and you could spin the cube if you had the hsize set correctly. That led to an interesting bug where the hsize gconf key was being twiddled when you enabled desktop effects but would sometimes go wrong anyway
[03:19] <sits> few people wanted both but that's the way it went. I never played with the vsize as I never understood how that could work
[03:19] <penguin42> sits: Yeh I fell over cube+workspace switcher and being able to get to random subsets of my workspaces
[03:19] <penguin42> when you say hsize/vsize what are you referring to ?
[03:20] <sits> penguin42: I think they were gconf keys
[03:20] <penguin42> this isn't the X servers idea of display size ?
[03:20] <sits> penguin42: for compiz (possibly that particular plugin)
[03:21] <penguin42> ah ok
[03:22] <sits> penguin42: but I don't use compiz much now. If I did on Gutsy I'd probably try and install that behemoth of a settings manager and check in that. I don't even know how you would get a cube on Gutsy if it weren't a Feisty upgrade
[03:23] <sits> anyway vanishing time again
[03:24] <c1|freaky> hi all. gutsy has XGL enabled somehow. is there a possibility to remove that? because everything is build up very slowly and it builds up in triangles (the screeen)
[03:26] <c1|freaky> it's that  x-session type ... where you need to install a extra kind of x-server
[03:27] <tatters> I got 3 rt2500 wireless cards ,pmcia , usb and a pci and non of them seem work in gutsy
[03:27] <c1|freaky> or module/plugin or whatever that is
[03:27] <robtaylor> c1|freaky: System->Prefernces->appearence->Desktop Effects
[03:28] <c1|freaky> robtaylor: that's for ubuntu im on kubuntu
[03:28] <robtaylor> c1|freaky: ah, no idea then
[03:29] <c1|freaky> ok thanks anyway
[03:37] <mewt> Anyone have any problems with fullscreen mode while watching a movie ? I have encountered an X crash after watching a wmv in totem
[03:38] <mewt> freezes when switching between fullscreen mode and windowed
[03:38] <mewt> crash if you run glxgears
[03:39] <mewt> is x still unstable or what?
[03:39] <Kakeman> nvidia?
[03:39] <mewt> ye
[03:39] <Kakeman> 8xxx?
[03:39] <mewt> using nvidia-glx-new
[03:39] <mewt> 6800gs
[03:39] <Kakeman> segmention fault with glxgears?
[03:40] <mewt> x server crasg
[03:40] <mewt> crash
[03:40] <Kakeman> i did had same problem
[03:40] <Kakeman> now i use nv driver
[03:41] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, I can't login to any of the window manages I am using.  Using KDM I cannot login to a KDE environment, openbox nor fluxbox.  Is this a known bug?
[03:41] <selinuxium> hi all, tried to upgrade to Gutsy using   gksu 'update-manager -d'   but it did mot see the development files. Is this correct?
[03:41] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm not really sure how to track back what's going on there.
[03:41] <jrib> selinuxium: what version is update-manager?
[03:41] <mewt> nv driver wont give me no compiz tho :/
[03:42] <c1|freaky> Lunar_Lamp: maybe it's because XGL is enabled by default now there must be some kind of session file where the XGL version of X is used but i can't find it and i dont know for sure if that's your problem
[03:43] <c1|freaky> i wanna disable compiz
[03:43] <Lunar_Lamp> c1|freaky, hmm, it was working fin yesterday - was it in some of the updates that got pushed out yesterday?
[03:43] <c1|freaky> i have that problem since yesterday
[03:43] <c1|freaky> so it probably was
[03:44] <Lunar_Lamp> c1|freaky, that sounds right to me - yes - I didn't restart X yesterday after updating the system until now.
[03:44] <Lunar_Lamp> c1|freaky, what is the graphics card you have? Mine is an X700 mobility.
[03:44] <selinuxium> jrib: 1:0.59.23  on Edgy
[03:45] <c1|freaky> same here ATII X700
[03:45] <c1|freaky> -I
[03:45] <c1|freaky> mobility
[03:45] <Lunar_Lamp> c1|freaky, hmm, ok.
[03:45] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, looks like it's related to our graphics card then.
[03:45] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a dual screen setup - do you?
[03:45] <c1|freaky> no uusual setup im using the drivers from ati.com
[03:46] <c1|freaky> for me X runs as usual but video is jumpy
[03:46] <c1|freaky> the whole display buildup is very slow
[03:46] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, ok
[03:46] <Lunar_Lamp> I try to login, and it just boots me back to the KDM login manager after a few seconds of doing nothing.
[03:46] <jrib> selinuxium: ah, you need to get to feisty first then, you /should/ be in #ubuntu :)
[03:47] <Lunar_Lamp> Not even sure which logs to read to get info really.
[03:47] <c1|freaky> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:47] <Lunar_Lamp> c1|freaky, yeah, it didn't seem to include anything particularly worrisome though :-/
[03:48] <selinuxium> jrib: Sorry I meant Fiesty.... Worked it out, i needed to sudo touch -t 197001010000 /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release   before running    gksu 'update-manager -d'    Fingers crossed! :)
[03:48] <mewt> gl, selinuxium
[03:48] <mewt> :)
[03:50] <Kakeman> do you know when will nvidia-glx-new work with nvidia 8xxx?
[03:51] <Kakeman> i used to use nvidia's official installer
[03:51] <Kakeman> but
[03:51] <Kakeman> now only nv works
[03:52] <Kakeman> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0421 (rev a1)
[03:53] <Kakeman> that is nvidia G80 (8500gt)
[04:08] <Kakeman> anything to say? im in deep shit :)
[04:09] <Kousotu> Kakeman who's the issue?
[04:11] <Kakeman> when has glibc been updated?
[04:11] <Kousotu> Kakeman: That I don't know
[04:13] <Kakeman> somebody said that it caused this or something :/
[04:25] <elkbuntu> penguin42, release or not, some people still value weekends as family time
[04:26] <ompaul> and are entitled to do so
[04:27] <ompaul> Kakeman, back upyour data and start afresh and don't be messin with that bad crack, the good stuff is built into the beta i.e. gutsy
[04:27] <penguin42> elkbuntu/ompaul: Sure - it wasn't a criticism; personally I only get the weekends as times to play around and try new stuff
[04:28] <ompaul> penguin42, a lot of the core devs do work on it monday to friday
[04:29] <ompaul> or so
[04:29] <penguin42> ompaul: Nod; I was actually surprised that there weren't more people (like me) trying it rather than devs
[04:29] <ompaul> penguin42, they will stick their heads in during the course of the day
[04:29] <ompaul> hang about, lurk even if your not at the keyboard
[04:29] <ompaul> now I am gone
[04:37] <Floker> i've got some wireless problems, my chipset is a realtek rtl8185 and its a pcmcia card. the included driver doent work, however i installed ndiswrapper from source (latest release candidate). it shows me the available networks, however if i connect to one, it says either "waiting for key" or "preparing device" for ever (depends on if its encrypted or not), but it won't connect. what can i do?
[04:37] <Paddy_EIRE> is gutsy lts
[04:37] <Floker> no Paddy_EIRE
[04:38] <Paddy_EIRE> what would be a good stable distro for my friend a new ubuntu user to get his teeth into that will be nice and stable for atleast a year
[04:39] <Paddy_EIRE> dapper?
[04:39] <Floker> feisty is pretty stable
[04:39] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah It is.. wanted a second opinion
[04:39] <Floker> lts just means that it has longer support, doesnt mean its much more stable
[04:39] <Floker> i suggest feisty
[04:39] <penguin42> When does security support for feisty stop?
[04:40] <Paddy_EIRE> I want him to have multimedia support out-of-the-box so I guess Linux Mint 3.0 cassandra would be a start until hardy heron comes out... by then his confidence will have grown
[04:41] <Paddy_EIRE> mint cassandra is feisty basically
[04:41] <Floker> Paddy_EIRE, does your friend have a permanent internet connection?
[04:41] <Paddy_EIRE> yes
[04:41] <Floker> ubuntu will do it, if you try to play a file which isnt supported, (e.g. mp3) it just asks if it should download the appropreate codec, thats it
[04:42] <Floker> this isnt exactly out-of-the-box but fairly easy for pretty much anybody
[04:42] <Paddy_EIRE> Floker, I have not had that experience nice one... I normally go for all the multimedia stuff after I install
[04:43] <Paddy_EIRE> so never had the prompts
[04:43] <Floker> a lot of improvements :)
[04:43] <Floker> you could also wait for gusty
[04:43] <Paddy_EIRE> sounds like it
[04:43] <Paddy_EIRE> Im thinking about that
[04:43] <Floker> which has a whole bunch of new features and is even more easy to ue
[04:43] <Floker> use
[04:44] <Paddy_EIRE> maybe he'd be better of not having to go through an upgrade so soon
[04:44] <Paddy_EIRE> so.. I'll get him to wait for gutsy
[04:44] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[04:44] <Floker> an update is pretty much easy
[04:44] <Paddy_EIRE> you see he does not want me doing all the work for him
[04:45] <Floker> seems fair :)
[04:45] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah.. I like when ppl are eager to teach themselves
[04:45] <Floker> let him go for feisty, he'll be impressed, and the gutsy update will be easy
[04:45] <Paddy_EIRE> I will also direct him to the irc channels
[04:45] <Paddy_EIRE> ok.. that'll sell it for me
[04:46] <Floker> thats a good idea, and tell him about the very nice ubuntu communities (forums...)
[04:47] <Floker> there are wikis with howtos for just about everything among the internet, it's gonna save him a bundle :)
[04:51] <Paddy_EIRE> oh... I have made him aware of the abundance of support for people like him.. that are technically minded and eager to learn.. and above all patient
[04:51] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[04:51] <penguin42> is there a LUG near him as well?
[04:51] <Lunar_Lamp> After the updates pushed out yesterday, I can no longer login to any desktop manager with the fglrx driver.  I can start up kdm just fine, but if I try to login to any tested window manager (kde, fluxbox, xfce, openbox) I get kicked back to kdm.  Switching the xorg.conf to use ati driver instead of fglrx allows me to login, but there are issues with drawing some aspects of the screen (e.g. scrollbars, icons)
[04:51] <Paddy_EIRE> nearest is belfast sadly
[04:52] <Paddy_EIRE> not a long trip but I would need to be a good gathering for us to go
[04:53] <Lunar_Lamp> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how i should troubleshoot the issue described?
[04:55] <omha> any body know where i can get some backports of kernel 2.6.23-rc?
[04:55] <penguin42> omha: You can always build the kernel from source
[04:56] <omha> penguin42 yea, but im to lazy to do that, but its always a last resort
[04:56] <penguin42> omha: It's easy - and anyway you really shouldn't be doing anything else with -rc kernels
[04:57] <omha> shoudnt .23 be out soon?
[04:58] <penguin42> probably
[05:01] <darkstar61> hi all, someone else had a crash to adept when upgrading the last two upgradable packets( kdebluetooth)...? here the backtrace http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36045/
[05:37] <GoodHabit> Hello. How to upgrade my ubuntustudio to gutsy?
[05:37] <kousotu> sudo apt-get install update
[05:37] <kousotu> if I remember corectly
[05:38] <jsomers> replace the word "feisty" into "gutsy" in your sources.list
[05:38] <jsomers> and then you should do an apt-get update
[05:38] <GoodHabit> Thats is all?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> "if you have to ask, you shouldnt be running gutsy"
[05:38] <GoodHabit> I only want to know ask for "clean" mode of updating.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:40] <thansen|laptop> I'm having issues with network-manager using an intel 3945 wireless card...any know issue with this combo?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> thansen|laptop: yeah.  open, or wpa?
[05:41] <thansen|laptop> open
[05:41] <Hobbsee> known to be buggered.  use dhclient.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> or just switch your network to wpa
[05:41] <thansen|laptop> I see
[05:41] <thansen|laptop> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:41] <Artimus> GoodHabit: After apt-get update, you need apt-get dist-upgrade as well.  Keep in mind, there's some stuff broken...
[05:42] <penguin42> is the recommended way to actually run an update-manager -d ?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> penguin42: it'll likely crash.  both are recommended.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> but it's helpful to report teh full crash logs when it does crash
[05:43] <penguin42> Hobbsee: I actually tried the update-manager way; it didn't even offer me the choice
[05:43] <Hobbsee> er, of what and what?
[05:44] <GoodHabit> So what does update-manager -d ?
[05:44] <kousotu> morning Hobbsee
[05:44] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:44] <kousotu> how's ya?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> tired.
[05:44] <kousotu> lol
[05:45] <kousotu> wel ain't it like um.. 1am?
[05:45] <kousotu> lol
[05:45] <Hobbsee> almost 2
[05:45] <kousotu> lol
[05:45] <kousotu> well, I just did hrs. wanted to get that straight
[05:46] <kousotu> after al it is15 of them
[05:46] <kousotu> lol
[05:46] <kousotu> and mins are kinda obvios, same everywhere
[05:48] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I gots a question. how come (for me anyway) compiz-fusion works until I reboot only?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i dont do compiz
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i run kde
[05:49] <Hobbsee> and it doesnt play nicely
[05:49] <kousotu> ah..
[05:49] <kousotu> lol
[05:49] <kousotu> how do I check compat for beryl again?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> !beryl
[05:50] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:50] <Hobbsee> do i look like the walking dictionary?
[05:50] <kousotu> I mean to check it, just to now gf spect
[05:50] <kousotu> lol
[05:50] <Hobbsee> hint:  when using abbreviations, make sure they're a) valid and b) the people around you understand them.
[05:50] <kousotu> Hobbsee: really want me to answer that? lol
[05:51] <kousotu> GFX*
[05:51] <kousotu> was a typo
[05:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:51] <kousotu> lol
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ah, no wonder i couldnt guess it.
[05:51] <kousotu> lol
[05:51] <kousotu> gf= gamefaqs, girlfriend, and little else (will online anyway)
[05:52] <kousotu> usually i typo gf for gfx
[05:52] <kousotu> so, now ya know ;)
[05:53] <spark-s> I install it on my laptop, the brightness adjust does not work well. Do somebody know the reason ?
[05:53] <spark-s> I install gusty on my laptop
[05:54] <kousotu> spa
[05:54] <kousotu> spark-s: what kinda laptop?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> spark-s: because your laptop doesnt like gutsy.  please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html before asking further questions.
[05:54] <spark-s> thinkpad x60
[05:54] <Hobbsee> why couldnt you have given that in your original question?
[05:56] <penguin42> spark-s: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-backlight-index.html
[05:56] <kousotu> taht's notan acer is it?
[05:56] <penguin42> spark-s: This suggests that for some IBM/Lenovo laptops rmmod video  would help
[05:56] <kousotu> (I have only owned one laptop, this one)
[05:56] <penguin42> spark-s: It might be worth a try
[05:58] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I was looking for it because I am unsure about my laptop's 3d capability
[05:59] <spark-s> hobbsee, sorry, it is my first day to use irc ;)
[06:00] <|Lunar_Lamp|> I'm getitng a fatal error when trying to load the fglrx module at the moment - I assume there is nothing I can do until the correct versions are pushed out?
[06:00] <spark-s> to penguin42, I read the article, it does not mention how to solve the problem for thinkpad.
[06:01] <penguin42> spark-s: Sure it does - try rmmod video
[06:02] <spark-s> to penguin42, remove the video module at boot? How to do it ?
[06:03] <spark-s> to penguin42, okey , I find it , I will try . thx
[06:03] <penguin42> spark-s: It's saying to add the line    blacklist video    to the end of  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:08] <hydrogen> since upgrading to gutsy I've been unable to debug anything.. did something change?
[06:09] <hydrogen> gdb: "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory."
[06:10] <penguin42> hmm I haven't tried it - let me just se
[06:10] <penguin42> e
[06:11] <penguin42> hydrogen: Seems OK here on a hello world
[06:13] <kousotu> how do I check compat for beryl through terminal?
[06:14] <GoodHabit> What difference between update-manager -d and changing feisty to gutsy at /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:16] <penguin42> GoodHabit: update-manager is pretty
[06:17] <penguin42> kousotu: I've used compiz but not beryl; I *suspect* that if you have a really solid happy 3D setup it should work
[06:18] <spark-s> Hi , I read http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-backlight-index.html and add "blacklist vedio" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and save, and restart computer, but my thinkpad x60 is still blink when i adjust brightness or press blackspace in the input window after delete the last key
[06:19] <penguin42> spark-s: Probably best file a bug report then
[06:21] <spark-s> to penguin42, I found somebody post the same body on forum.ubuntu.com.cn, but no body answer this problem. That body use T60
[06:21] <spark-s> post the same questsion
[06:21] <penguin42> yeh so it sounds like you have a bug - hence file a bug in launchpad
[06:23] <spark-s> penguin42: em, okey, thank u. It is so late for me to sleep, see u next day ;)
[06:30] <Artimus> Is it just my install, or is "killall" missing from Gutsy right now?
[06:31] <Artimus> (AMD64 gutsy)
[06:32] <penguin42> I've got it
[06:32] <penguin42> in /usr/bin from the psmisc package
[06:33] <penguin42> this was an upgrade from feisty
[06:34] <Artimus> I think I'm going to have to do an install of Feisty and upgrade it.
[06:35] <Artimus> A bare install just isn't working for me...  I'm missing a bunch.  I thought kubuntu-desktop would get me all the base packages.  Guess not.
[06:35] <albert23> Artimus: I also have it on  fresh tribe 5 install
[06:35] <Artimus> Yeah, I was missing psmisc.
[06:35] <Artimus> I didn't get that with a debootstrap release+kubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <tatters> anyone use a rt2500 chipset with gutsy,,mine do not work as did in previous version?
[06:36] <Artimus> bummer...  Looks like Feisty and Gutsy aren't setting LC_ALL and LANGUAGE.  Perl is unhappy
[06:38] <sobersabre> hi. Is there an instruction set on ubuntu.com website on how to upgrade feisty to gutsy ?
[06:39] <tatters> yes
[06:39] <sobersabre> can you point me to it ?
[06:44] <sobersabre> hm... tatters
[06:45] <nemik> sobersabre: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[06:45] <sobersabre> it doesn't work.
[06:46] <sobersabre> don't I have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list before this ?!
[06:46] <sobersabre> I am currently using feisty
[06:46] <sobersabre> hmmm..
[06:47] <sobersabre> maybe after I reboot it will allow it. I've just upgraded the kernel.
[06:47] <sobersabre> byebye,
[06:48] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: Are you about?
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm running from the tribe-5 64-bit LiveCD at the moment, with great success. I wondered if you had any suggestions for tests I can perform since our convo yesterday?
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Here's where I've got to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/136807
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136807 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[Gutsy]  Tribe-5 64-bit LiveCD failure report for Sony Vaio VGN-FE41Z" [Low,Confirmed] 
[06:50] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: It's interesting - I rebooted last night and now have very quiet sound on the intel audio
[06:50] <sobersabre> Hi, I've tried to run: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I did on the LiveCD until I increased the PCM and Master volumes :)
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I've tried GoogleEarth but can't even install it
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> It reports:
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> ./setup.sh: 284: setup.data/bin/Linux/amd64/setup.gtk2: not found
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> ./setup.sh: 299: setup.data/bin/Linux/amd64/setup.gtk: not found
[06:51] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Try using linux32 first
[06:52] <sobersabre> and it doesn't upgrade to gutsy
[06:52] <penguin42> sobersabre: No, it didn't for me either
[06:52] <sobersabre> do I have to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file to be able to upgrade to gutsy ?
[06:52] <IntuitiveNipple> oh course - being the LiveCD not everything I'd expect is installed... thanks :)
[06:53] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: I haven't tried doing a clean install or trying the live cd yet - I really should
[06:53] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: No, no difference :(
[06:53] <penguin42> :-(
[06:53] <IntuitiveNipple> it looks like a Google packaging problem
[06:54] <IntuitiveNipple> The biggest issue I've got is no dbus - wondering if that is machine-specific or more general, on the LiveCD
[06:54] <penguin42> seems odd doesn't it
[06:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Nice that the built-in camera works with the standard UVC driver, and the bluetooth mouse is easy to get connected too
[06:55] <sobersabre> IntuitiveNipple: if you had a warning, it's nothing serious.
[06:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got to say I'm quite impressed - tribe-5 32-bit wasn't as successful as this 64-bit - If the big apps I use like G.E. will work I may well switch :)
[06:56] <sobersabre> it's most probably auth. exchange problem.
[06:56] <IntuitiveNipple> sobersabre, It's always serious when there's no dbus!
[06:56] <sobersabre> what is G.E. ?
[06:56] <sobersabre> :)
[06:56] <sobersabre> IntuitiveNipple: it's an authentication problem.
[06:56] <IntuitiveNipple> what is?
[06:57] <sobersabre> hmm.. maybe I am missing something: are you talking about dbus warning when running gksudo update manager ?
[06:57] <IntuitiveNipple> no, on boot:
[06:57] <sobersabre> IntuitiveNipple: still, what is G.E. ?
[06:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Sep  2 14:31:02 ubuntu gnome-power-manager: (ubuntu) This program cannot start until you start the dbus session service.  This is usually started automatically in X or gnome startup when you start a new session.
[06:57] <IntuitiveNipple> sobersabre, Google Earth :)
[06:57] <sobersabre> oh, ok.
[06:57] <sobersabre> thanks.
[06:57] <sobersabre> Isn't google earth for linux - a wine executed windows version ?!
[06:57] <penguin42> no
[06:58] <sobersabre> are you sure ?
[06:58] <nemik> sobersabre: i think you're right. that's all it is
[06:58] <penguin42> yes
[06:58] <sobersabre> penguin42: ... are you sure ?
[06:58] <penguin42> yes
[06:58] <sobersabre> :)
[06:58] <sobersabre> penguin42: you should swim in some cold water ;-)
[06:58] <sobersabre> the same goes for picasa ( AFAIR )
[06:58] <penguin42> no, I'm a warm liking penguin who prefers siting in front of a nice warm laptop
[06:59] <IntuitiveNipple> dear oh dear
[06:59] <sobersabre> I dislike running windoze code on my laptop ...
[06:59] <penguin42> sobersabre: It's a native ELF binary - I think they may have used some libwine stuff during the porting
[06:59] <IntuitiveNipple> who's running Windows? we're talking about 64-bit Gutsy
[07:00] <penguin42> sobersabre: actually, ldd doesn't even show that - it's pure native goodness
[07:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Google Earth? yes it is\
[07:00] <penguin42> (Google that is)
[07:00] <sobersabre> penguin42: you can always identify wine programs.
[07:01] <sobersabre> use strings ;-)
[07:01] <sobersabre> IntuitiveNipple: ... so you're saying it's impossible to run win32 binaries on linux64 ?
[07:02] <sobersabre> still, maybe since I last checked it has changed....
[07:02] <IntuitiveNipple> eh?
[07:02] <IntuitiveNipple> sobersabre, do please pay attention! Google Earth is a native Linux ELF binary package
[07:03] <IntuitiveNipple> It has dependencies on 32-bit libraries however, which makes getting it working on 64-bit a challenge in some situations.
[07:03] <penguin42> sobersabre: When it first came out they didn't have a port; but the Linux native port has been out for around a year - works a treat
[07:03] <sobersabre> apparently I've checked longer than a year ago...
[07:03] <nemik> so why does it look just like a wine app?
[07:03] <sobersabre> the time flies!
[07:04] <nemik> go to file->open and tell me that doesn't look like a wine app
[07:04] <sobersabre> nemik: I must admit, last checked G.E. and picasa for linux more than a year ago.
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmm, why can't i find the original dbus failure log entry now I want it? :)
[07:04] <sobersabre> so, i cannot tell which is wine app and which isn't.
[07:04] <sobersabre> anyway, thanks all, I'm off.
[07:04] <sobersabre> bye.
[07:05] <penguin42> nemik: I'm guessing they used some porting libraries to make their life easier
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> It's all QT
[07:06] <nemik> ah ok
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I was involved in hacking it in the early stages
[07:08] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: daft question I know, but, the LiveCD gives me the option to enable the NVidia restricted driver... but then wants to reboot to use it... am I daft or is that not quite right? :)
[07:08] <tatters> I started with tribe and been reg updating I noticed tribe5 is out , my wireless card (rt2500) has not worked since feisty and not worked with gutsy,but then I read it works out the box with tribe 5 how is this possible,is there a difference between an updated release and the latest release?
[07:08] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Haha yeh that sounds nutty!
[07:08] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42, I enabled it but then thought... woahh!
[07:09] <IntuitiveNipple> tatters: more and more upstream bits come into it, as the kernel is rebased for each alpha (aka tribe) release
[07:10] <DanaG> Hmm, "Software updates available" -- and it shows a lightbulb that is OFF.
[07:11] <DanaG> That's silly.
[07:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Sounds like a lot of people I meet :p
[07:14] <DanaG> Argh, I got another OOPS in my emu10k1 module.
[07:14] <DanaG> Here's a sure-fire way to cause a panic:
[07:14] <DanaG> Be using pulseaudio with a Cardbus Audigy, even if not playing anything.
[07:14] <DanaG> Now remove the card.
[07:14] <DanaG> Now insert the card -- OOPS.
[07:14] <DanaG> Now remove the card -- PANIC.
[07:16] <penguin42> DanaG: Oops
[07:17] <penguin42> DanaG: Hohum, I guess not all drivers are happy with hotplugging stuff
[07:18] <tatters> hmm what exactly is "nstall with driver update CD" option it just hangs if selected
[07:19] <DanaG> Oddly, the first removal works fine, and forces apps to let go of the card.
[07:19] <DanaG> However, udev doesn't unload the module.
[07:25] <sobersabre> hi
[07:26] <sobersabre> I've edited my sources file
[07:26] <sobersabre> changed feisty->gutsy
[07:26] <sobersabre> do you think the upgrade will run ok ?
[07:26] <sobersabre> ( I've left only original repositories and backports.
[07:27] <sobersabre> please elaborate...
[07:27] <selinuxium> sobersabre: you are better off using update manager...    gksu 'update-manager -d'
[07:27] <sobersabre> selinuxium: it simply doesn't work.
[07:27] <penguin42> sobersabre: I remove the old ones typically; so I just do a replace of feisty by gutsy, do an apt-get update and then an apt-get distupgrade  - and then fixing it
[07:27] <penguin42> selinuxium: Didn't work for me either
[07:28] <sobersabre> hm.
[07:28] <sobersabre> ok. no news for me...
[07:28] <sobersabre> have a nice evening/morning/day.
[07:28] <sobersabre> cheers
[07:29] <selinuxium> penguin42: damn he left too quick there is another command to issue before hand if it doesn't work...
[07:31] <selinuxium> penguin42: sudo touch -t 197001010000 /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release   did you do that before trying the update-manager?
[07:31] <penguin42> no I didn't
[07:31] <penguin42> but that's a nice one; some date comparison broken somewhere?
[07:32] <selinuxium> penguin42: i beleive so, it is actually in the link for tribe 5 in the topic
[07:34] <penguin42> selinuxium: Ah OK; I'll try and remember that one for next time someone asks
[07:35] <soc> hi
[07:36] <soc> does someone know if i can update grub legacy to grub2?
[07:36] <soc> grub 2 is at "1.95+20070604"
[07:36] <soc> is it already usable?
[07:37] <soc> and will it be able to use the old menu.list?
[07:37] <Ryan52> I set up multiple network locations. Is there a way to switch the current location in a shell script or do you have to use network-admin?
[07:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Good news! logging back in (without a restart) fixed the dbus issue, *and* through a leeetle manipulation of xorg.conf I have Nvidia 3D acceleration and Compiz working from the LiveCD
[07:38] <penguin42> soc: Well there seems to be a grub-pc package - if you feel brave you could try it!
[07:38] <penguin42> IN: Nice
[07:38] <soc> yes i've seen that
[07:38] <soc> i just wonder if it will take the necassary steps
[07:38] <penguin42> there also seems to be a grub-invaders package :-)
[07:39] <PC-Ente> hu
[07:39] <soc> already have that :-)
[07:39] <PC-Ente> i installd gusty form the internet, so newest package versions... and wantet to aktivte nvidia-driver
[07:39] <PC-Ente> but it failed
[07:39] <penguin42> so - someone with the live cd or with a fresh install; can they tell me if apparmor is installed by default?
[07:39] <PC-Ente> normal ?
[07:40] <PC-Ente> 8800GTS 64bit
[07:40] <IntuitiveNipple> apparmor is reported in dmesg from the LiveCD
[07:40] <penguin42> doesn't seem to be on this upgraded box - hmm it looks like perhaps the upgrade didn't pull everything in
[07:41] <PC-Ente> wikdrogen
[07:43] <DanaG> Hmm, I have my media control shortcuts (in "keyboard shortcuts" preferences app) bound to Super+{z,x,c,v,b}, but they don't seem to generate any dbus events.
[07:43] <DanaG> Also, Super shows as Mod4.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> penguin42: Get all the Ubuntu metapackages?
[07:45] <SeveredCross> I noticed that too DanaG, though I have them bound to Media Buttons.
[07:45] <penguin42> SeveredCross: Is there a list? I've just told it to install ubuntu-desktop that is pulling a pile of stuff in
[07:46] <SeveredCross> ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal at least.
[07:46] <SeveredCross> Maybe more.
[07:46] <SeveredCross> ubuntu-standard too probably.
[07:46] <penguin42> yeh, I seem to be missing desktop; I've got standard and minimal and artwork up to date
[07:47] <DanaG> Hmm, quodlibet is spitting out dbus messages on song change.  I wonder why.
[07:48] <penguin42> rhythymbox is spitting dbus events every second to make sure everyone knows how much song is left
[07:51] <DanaG> It's ironic: OS X has better touchpad scrolling, but Linux has better multi-finger tapping.
[07:53] <lamalex> anyone have problems with gutsy tribe 5 live cd and X starting?
[07:53] <lamalex> i searched lauchpad but didn't come up with much
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, can anyone explain this?
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> $ ls -ld ./setup.gtk2
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> -rwxr-xr-x 1 ubuntu ubuntu 310400 2007-08-21 03:04 ./setup.gtk2
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> $ file ./setup.gtk
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> ./setup.gtk: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[08:03] <IntuitiveNipple> $ ./setup.gtk2
[08:04] <IntuitiveNipple> bash: ./setup.gtk2: No such file or directory
[08:05] <selinuxium> HI all, just upgraded to Gutsy but my fstab seems to be borked, I keep my /home on a seperate drive but I cannot seem to get things to work...   http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/387  for fstab
[08:07] <IntuitiveNipple> selinuxium, Try commenting out lines 9 & 12
[08:07] <IntuitiveNipple> then do a sudo mount -a
[08:08] <DanaG> Is there any way to make the onscreen scrolling increment smaller?
[08:08] <DanaG> 3 lines is rather large.  I'd like to have half-line scrolling, if at all possible.
[08:08] <PC-Ente> why its so hard to find how to change from 2 desks to 4 desks in gusty ?
[08:10] <pwnguin> PC-Ente: i know its silly, but it's in the workspace switcher
[08:10] <pwnguin> PC-Ente: right click on it, and there should be an option to choose how many desks there are
[08:11] <PC-Ente> i cant find it there
[08:11] <pwnguin> hmm
[08:11] <penguin42> PC-Ente: What do you see from the Preferences item on the right click menu from hte workspace switcher?
[08:11] <PC-Ente> ders just options and there u can choose ohm many lines are used vor shoing the desks
[08:11] <PC-Ente> thats why im asking
[08:12] <penguin42> are you running compiz?
[08:13] <penguin42> PC-Ente: This is what I see on my system upgraded from feisty: http://www.treblig.org/debug/wspref.jpg
[08:14] <PC-Ente> i cant see that damn window
[08:14] <PC-Ente> where exactly do youclick on ?
[08:14] <penguin42> PC-Ente: So in my panel I have an applet called workspace switcher; I right click on it and get a menu and then I click the preferences entry on that menu
[08:15] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: It doesn't show all those options, at least not from LiveCD, it only shows the two radio buttons
[08:15] <penguin42> PC-Ente: When I right click on the workspace switcher there is an About option that shows me 'Workspace Switcher 2.19.6'
[08:15] <PC-Ente> do you use desktop efkets ?
[08:15] <penguin42> no
[08:15] <PC-Ente> efects
[08:16] <PC-Ente> mybe thats the problem
[08:16] <penguin42> yeh probably is - it replaces random bits of the user interface
[08:16] <penguin42> PC-Ente: In that case switch the cube effect on and you get 6 desktops
[08:16] <PC-Ente> kay it works
[08:17] <PC-Ente> the desktop effects are the "problem"
[08:17] <penguin42> now you've just got to remember which face of the cube you are on
[08:17] <SeveredCross> :)
[08:17] <IntuitiveNipple> workspace switches show that, on mine at least
[08:18] <IntuitiveNipple> the hsize is reflected in the width of the workspace switcher display
[08:19] <penguin42> ooh I just discovered something - in both firefox and konqueror if you double click next to a tab it creates a new one
[08:20] <AmyRose> Kubuntu Gutsy's planned features said it will use Dolphin by default; however, the Tribe 5 CD seems to still be using Konqueror to open folders. Are they saving the change of defaults for the beta or final or what?
[08:23] <dirak1> hi everyone
[08:24] <dirak1> i made an upgrade of gutsy an now it wont mount devices..
[08:24] <dirak1> http://pastebin.ca/679119
[08:24] <dirak1> i get that error..
[08:24] <dirak1> how can i solve that?
[08:28] <dirak1> so in the beginning gutsy was running fine..but making the last upgrade seams to break up things.
[08:32] <dirak1> any idea?
[08:32] <penguin42> yeh a few things went backwards for me (e.g. hibernate option disappeared) - but an upgrade today said it should fix that
[08:32] <dirak1> penguin42: ok..
[08:32] <dirak1> i guess ill wait
[08:33] <penguin42> dirak1: Worth checking for bug reports perhaps
[08:33] <emet> when is tribe 6out
[08:34] <dirak1> penguin42: where can i look at?
[08:38] <AmyRose> emet: Look at the /topic
[08:38] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42, there was a space missing from prepare.sh that stopped the suspend.d/ scripts running :)
[08:39] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Apparently there was also some inverted logic to do whether you had swap files
[08:39] <penguin42> anyway, time for some food
[08:39] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42, Yes, we got both in the same iteration
[08:39] <IntuitiveNipple> emet https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[09:00] <omha> how do i define a ssh port in rsync?
[09:10] <emet> cool thanks
[09:10] <emet> go ubuntu!
[09:10] <PC-Ente> i installed gusty on my system everythink works fine untill now, but i cannt see the boots creen
[09:11] <PC-Ente> screen
[09:11] <PC-Ente> i see grub-- dann my moitor says no signal an then gdm starts
[09:12] <omha> PC-Ente try booting in a old kernel
[09:13] <PC-Ente> there is no old kernel
[09:13] <PC-Ente> i istalled directy from de sources form the internet
[09:17] <IntuitiveNipple> PC-Ente, when the grub menu shows, press "E" on the menu entry, then "E" on the 'kernel' entry, go to the end of the line, and delete the "vga=791", press Enter, then press "b" to boot
[09:20] <Q-FUNK> has anyone else noticed odd behavior since the gtk2 update that was pushed a few hours ago?
[09:21] <n0yd> the libgtk update?
[09:22] <n0yd> I haven't gotten this libgtk update that was supposed to be pushed already, I wish I did, so my acroread might start working.
[09:23] <n0yd> Anyone else still getting expr: syntax error
[09:23] <n0yd> when starting acroread?
[09:24] <n0yd> I applied a "fix" on the forums, but apparently it was for another bug with acroread, so it didn't help me one bit.
[09:30] <kurosaki> Hi guys.
[09:32] <kurosaki> I've just installed Gutsy on a separate partition to Feisty. I skipped installing grub as I just want to update my current menu.list in Feisty. Now I've gone ahead and added the reference in my menu.lst but the kernel panics trying to find root=
[09:32] <kurosaki> I've set it to /dev/sdb3 which is the / partition for gutsy but no joy.
[09:33] <kurosaki> The only difference I see is my Feisty kernel(s) are using the device UUID for root= So, any ideas as to why /dev/sdb3 doesn't work or how I would go about finding the uuid for this new partition so I can try that?
[09:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just done the same; I'm using UUIDs though, I keep the Feisty /boot partition and move the new kernel boot files there and update the menu.lst, and the two /etc/fstabs to match
[09:35] <kurosaki> Ok I figured out how to get the uuid so trying that.
[09:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you using a separate /boot partition?
[09:35] <kurosaki> Ah see I just use one partition / with boot on it and a shared swap.
[09:35] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, so in the menu.lst you need to alter the root entry
[09:36] <kurosaki> I did.
[09:36] <kurosaki> That's the issue.
[09:36] <kurosaki> I can mount this new / as /dev/sdb3
[09:36] <kurosaki> But setting that to root= kernel panics.
[09:36] <kurosaki> Says it can't find root volume.
[09:37] <kurosaki> trying UUID now.
[09:37] <kurosaki> Fingers crossed.
[09:39] <nandemonai> kurosaki here on diff machine..
[09:39] <nandemonai> Same deal, it panics. VFS: Unable to mount root fs
[09:40] <IntuitiveNipple> hey... I'm about to reboot too, but I've pastebined my setup so you can compare: http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/73
[09:40] <nandemonai> Ah cheers, shame this machine is cli hehe
[09:40] <IntuitiveNipple> use wget :)
[09:41] <nandemonai> I've had weird issues on this board (asus p5b) with grub before but a bios update seemingly fixed that. That time grub couldn't find the drive. Now it does, root (hd1,2) but the root option in kernel line fails with either uuid or device name of the partition /dev/sdb3
[09:42] <IntuitiveNipple> do this: wget http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/pastebin.php?dl=73
[09:42] <IntuitiveNipple> you'll have a text version of it
[09:42] <nandemonai> oh yeah true
[09:42] <nandemonai> Umm how to copy text in irssi?
[09:42] <elcasey> highlight, right click
[09:42] <nandemonai> hehe I'm no good on cli systems..
[09:42] <elcasey> or Ctrl+Shift+C/V
[09:42] <nandemonai> No mouse in console.
[09:42] <IntuitiveNipple> remember it, there's not that much :p
[09:43] <elcasey> not sure how you'd move the cursor to select text in CLI-only
[09:43] <IntuitiveNipple> right, i'm going to reboot from the LiveCD to the installed 64-bit :)
[09:43] <nandemonai> Yeah that's a problem.
[09:43] <elcasey> i'm sure it can be done
[09:43] <nandemonai> Hang on I'll bring fiesty back up.
[09:44] <nandemonai> I'm pretty sure I've not boned the conf.
[09:47] <arooni> how do i get eclipse 3.3 ?
[09:48] <arooni> sudo apt-get eclipse donest cut it
[09:49] <albert23> arooni: sudo apt-get install eclipse?
[09:49] <SeveredCross> That's 3.2 anyway.
[09:49] <SeveredCross> If you want 3.3, you're going to have to compile it from source
[09:50] <arooni> SeveredCross, is that not reccomended?
[09:50] <SeveredCross> No, but if he wants 3.3 that's the only way he's going to get it.
[09:50] <SeveredCross> He can always build a debian package with checkinstall and remove it if need be.
[09:50] <arooni> SeveredCross, 3.2.2 is realllly buggy for me
[09:50] <arooni> SeveredCross, it keeps crashing all the time
[09:51] <SeveredCross> Err, I mixed up my people there.
[09:51] <SeveredCross> arooni, if you want 3.3, download the source, extract it, then from the terminal do ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[09:51] <SeveredCross> Make sure you remove your existing Eclipse first
[09:52] <arooni> SeveredCross, can i not have both?
[09:52] <SeveredCross> Well.
[09:53] <SeveredCross> I suppose so, but I don't think it's a good idea.
[09:53] <SeveredCross> I think you can end up with conflicts there.
[09:53] <SeveredCross> And you wouldn't be able to remove the one you compiled from source very easily.
[09:53] <SeveredCross> You'd have to track down all of its files by hand I think, unless it has a make uninstall option.
[09:54] <arooni> can someone help me to understand why elcipse is always crashing?  paste of the errors: http://pastie.caboo.se/93288
[09:54] <arooni> maybe i can give it more memory?
[09:55] <SeveredCross> It's crashing on displaying a GTK tooltip.
[09:55] <SeveredCross> It's because Java sucks.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> You can also try installing java 5.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[09:56] <arooni> hmmm
[09:56] <kurosaki> Okies here is my partition layout and grub conf. http://pastebin.com/m232c372 Still can't get Gutsy to boot using uuid or /dev/sdb3 as the root= option in menu.lst. Any ideas?
[09:56] <arooni> SeveredCross, i already have that installed; how can i make eclipse use sun java 5 instead of 6?
[09:57] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[09:57] <SeveredCross> You may have to use update-alternatives
[09:57] <Q-FUNK> re
[09:57] <SeveredCross> arooni: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:57] <SeveredCross> You should be able to select Java 5 from there.
[09:58] <Q-FUNK> am I the only one who gets a black screen since the libgtk2 update yesterday?
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Nope, works fine for me.
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Then again, I haven't logged out and logged back in in a day or two, so that might be why I have no issues.
[09:58] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[09:58] <kurosaki> I did have issues with grub finding drives on this board (asus p5b) but that was seemingly fixed with a bios update. Grub finds the device but the kernel doesn't find the root fs.
[10:00] <Q-FUNK> here, I have an issue where some icons appear but the rest of the screen is pitch black, since the update.  it affects both gnome and icewm.
[10:00] <Q-FUNK> another weird thing it does is that applicaitons started remotely no longer find their display and abbort.
[10:00] <SeveredCross> kurosaki: What exactly is the error that your kernel has?
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Q-FUNK: Have you rebooted since then?
[10:00] <Q-FUNK> yes
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[10:00] <Q-FUNK> didn't help
[10:01] <SeveredCross> I've seen things happen similar to that that disappeared after a reboot. Hum/
[10:01] <kurosaki> Seveas, If you want letter to letter I can reboot and see but along the lines of 'root fs not found'
[10:01] <Q-FUNK> it only made the matter worse.  now, only remote ssh access works and even setting that up took some doing, ebcause of the broken new X.
[10:01] <kurosaki> oops
[10:02] <kurosaki> That was ment for you SeveredCross ;)
[10:02] <SeveredCross> I figured. :)
[10:02] <SeveredCross> That's a very odd problem.
[10:02] <kurosaki> So my conf looks ok yes?
[10:02] <SeveredCross> Why didn't you let Gutsy set up Grub? I think it would have kept your Feisty there.
[10:02] <kurosaki> Because it's been edited.
[10:02] <SeveredCross> Oooh, I see, okay.
[10:02] <kurosaki> And I may nuke it.
[10:02] <kurosaki> It's just a mess around install kind of thing ;)
[10:02] <SeveredCross> I don't know to be totally honest, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.
[10:03] <kurosaki> Hmm.
[10:03] <kurosaki> I'll reboot and get exact error, nandemonai is me also on lappy. I'll post exact error.
[10:05] <nandemonai> Okies, root (hd1,2) Filesystem is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 so that seems right..
[10:06] <nandemonai> kernel boot line then image then.. Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[10:07] <nandemonai> Error is the same wether I use root=/dev/sdb3 or the UUID
[10:08] <albert23> nandemonai: is your sdb an external drive?
[10:08] <SeveredCross> Weird.....
[10:08] <nandemonai> Nope.
[10:08] <SeveredCross> Because hd(1,2) looks right for sdb3
[10:09] <nandemonai> sda is internal sata sdb is ata
[10:09] <nandemonai>  /ide
[10:09] <SeveredCross> But it got named as sbd?
[10:09] <nandemonai> Jmicron controller
[10:09] <SeveredCross> *sdb
[10:09] <albert23> looks like your system is missing drivers to read sdb at boot
[10:09] <nandemonai> yeah my discs on this machine are sdx
[10:10] <nandemonai> Highly possible
[10:10] <nandemonai> because
[10:10] <nandemonai> I know there have been lots of issues with this controller (jmicron - asus p5b) I was hoping the bios update fixed it all.
[10:10] <nandemonai> Prior to Feisty nothing even boots. Even the live CDs.
[10:11] <albert23> I think the trick would be to have your kernel and initrd on sda. initrd should then give you the drivers to read sdb.
[10:11] <nandemonai> I wonder iif it's only working on feisty then because it's the sata disk and not the ide one...
[10:12] <nandemonai> well grub said init was loaded
[10:12] <nandemonai> or maybe rather it just prints out the boot lines actually.
[10:12] <nandemonai> hmm
[10:12] <nandemonai> So ok.
[10:12] <nandemonai> Wouldn't I need a proper boot partition for that?
[10:13] <nandemonai> Or just stick them on the Feisty /boot/ dir and call them from there?
[10:13] <albert23> I think you can put them anywhere in an existing linux partition on sda
[10:13] <nandemonai> But still leave the kernel option root=/dev/sdb3 right?
[10:13] <albert23> Looks like IntuitiveNipple has done that in his pastebin
[10:14] <nandemonai> So kern is loaded from sda but roots to sdb where gutsy is installed?
[10:14] <albert23> yes, root=/dev/sdb3 make that the working system
[10:14] <nandemonai> ok I'll try it that way, see how it goes.
[10:14] <nandemonai> Should I be filing bu reports? Because I know this controller is a real pain..
[10:14] <nandemonai> It's expected that the way I have it should work right?
[10:15] <nandemonai> *bug
[10:16] <albert23> I don't know. There were some other problems with ide drivers, but these were solved in tribe 5
[10:16] <nandemonai> Well this is the tribe 5 install so yeah ;) Okies swaping it over.
[10:17] <albert23> But you are probably using the boot system from feisty
[10:17] <nandemonai> That's a very very good point
[10:17] <nandemonai> I am.
[10:17] <nandemonai> Sorry it's very late, brain is having issues keeping up ;)
[10:19] <marcelo> hi there. Im having problems configuring this board:  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04), any tips?
[10:20] <nandemonai> umm ok
[10:20] <nandemonai> now my disks are reversed?
[10:20] <nandemonai> ahh too late for this.
[10:23] <omha> marcelo add this to /etc/modprobe/options "snd-hda-intel model=3stack-dig"
[10:23] <marcelo> omha: ok. I will try
[10:24] <omha> marcelo and go to the mixer options and add all volumes
[10:24] <omha> and turn them up
[10:24] <omha> sometimes alsa will give volumes wired names and usage
[10:24] <marcelo> options snd-hda-intel model=3stack-dig
[10:24] <marcelo>  (added his)
[10:25] <marcelo> omha: I have to reboot the computer?
[10:25] <albert23> nandemonai: that might be an advantage of using UUID's. These are unique for the disk.
[10:25] <omha> marcelo modpobe -r snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel
[10:25] <nandemonai> So it's normal for them to swap around?
[10:25] <omha> but you got to kill the mixer and all sound apps
[10:25] <marcelo> omha:  FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[10:26] <marcelo> module not found.
[10:26] <nandemonai> because that last boot in Feisty sda/sba we reversed to what they were previously.
[10:26] <nandemonai> *sdb
[10:26] <omha> marcelo wired, restart x
[10:26] <nandemonai> heh and now after a reboot back to what it was
[10:27] <nandemonai> That can't be right?
[10:27] <marcelo> omha: Linux zeppelin 2.6.22-10-386 #1 Wed Aug 22 07:43:24 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:27] <albert23> nandemonai: that's very weird indeed.
[10:27] <nandemonai> albert23: I swear it. I thought I was just tired but nope.
[10:27] <albert23> At least grub should be able to find the right disk if you use UUID's
[10:28] <nandemonai> Well that's the thing.
[10:28] <nandemonai> Using the grub method ie (hd1.2) works.
[10:28] <nandemonai> I cant use that in the root= option can I?
[10:28] <nandemonai> For the kernel line?
[10:29] <marcelo> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[10:29] <marcelo> insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko': -1 Invalid module format
[10:30] <albert23> nandemonai: sorry, no idea about that
[10:31] <marcelo> omha: any tips?
[10:31] <omha> hmmm
[10:32] <marcelo> !nvidia
[10:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:32] <antibody_> hi..I did an update to my system now
[10:33] <antibody_> and now I don't have direct rendering with nvidia
[10:33] <antibody_> know issue?
[10:33] <omha> marcelo idk
[10:34] <marcelo> omha: thank you
[10:34] <antibody_> [   21.396000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  100.14.11  Wed Jun 13 18:21:22 PDT 2007
[10:34] <antibody_> :/
[10:34] <antibody_> and I checked the xorg.0.log
[10:34] <antibody_> and I saw nothing
[10:37] <antibody_> :/
[10:37] <antibody_> manual install then
[10:39] <nandemonai> Ok so I moved the kernel and init etc to the Feisty /boot/ called them from there in grub with root= in kernel line pointing to ide drive via /dev/sdb2 or the uuid and same thing. I don't think the kernel can see my ide drive before bootup at all. :/
[10:44] <nandemonai> I even tried /dev/hda / b but no go.. Odd seeing as grub finds the partition fine just the kernel does not.
[10:45] <albert23> nandemonai: what error message did you get now?
[10:45] <nandemonai> Same again.
[10:45] <nandemonai> Grub finds the kernel/init wether it's on sata drive or ide drive but kernel itself seems to only find root on sata(sda)
[10:46] <nandemonai> Ie where Feisty is.
[10:46] <nandemonai> I've installed gutsy to a spare partition on the ide drive hence the problems I think.
[10:46] <nandemonai> I actually tried feisty on the ide drive a while ago to no avail but that time grub didnt find the drive, now it does thanks to the bios update.
[10:47] <nandemonai> I'm almost certain it's a jmicron thing now.
[10:48] <nandemonai> Like I said earlier, nothing proior to feisty live cds would even boot on this mobo.
[10:50] <nandemonai> Nothing but trouble since I got it. At least for ide.
[10:50] <nandemonai> Everything else is primo.
[10:50] <nandemonai> So I guess for now I'm limited to installing linux on sata.
[10:50] <SeveredCross> It's those shitty Jmicron controllers.
[10:51] <nandemonai> hah yup
[10:51] <SeveredCross> If they'd just used an Intel controller like almost everyone else, they'd be okay.
[10:51] <nandemonai> Exactly.
[10:51] <nandemonai> Just I don't have any spare sata drives around only loads of ide ones heh.
[10:51] <nandemonai> say..
[10:51] <DanaG> Argh, deluge's UPnP doesn't work for me.
[10:51] <selinuxium> hi all, is there any way of starting the install again? ran install and it is not well!
[10:51] <nandemonai> What about usb?
[10:52] <nandemonai> I have a usb to ide thing here.. maybe that would work better?
[10:52] <nandemonai> Is is that asking for it?
[10:53] <nandemonai> *or is
[10:53] <albert23> nandemonai: There is some  more info via google on the jmicron problem. One option seems to be to add boot option ide=nodma
[10:54] <nandemonai> Oh? All I found was the boot problems with older distros. I'll try that thanks.
[10:54] <nandemonai> One sec..
[10:57] <antibody__> damn
[10:57] <antibody__> damn damn
[10:57] <antibody__> I can't get direct rendering to work
[10:57] <antibody__> I installed old version
[10:57] <antibody__> 1st with nvidia-glx packages and then with the package from NVIDIA and compilation
[10:58] <antibody__> noone having this problems?
[10:58] <nandemonai> albert23: No joy I'm afraid. Grub still finds root (hd1,2) type ext2 yada yada but kernel panics unable to mount root.
[10:59] <antibody__> if I replace all gusty entries in sources.list by feisty ..does the system downgrades back to feisty?
[10:59] <IntuitiveNipple> nandemonai: still having problems?
[10:59] <nandemonai> IntuitiveNipple: Yup. Seems the kernel can't see my ide drive (where gutsy / is).
[11:00] <nandemonai> Jmicron issue we thinks.
[11:00] <IntuitiveNipple> how many drives have you got installed?
[11:01] <nandemonai> IntuitiveNipple: Grub finds it though. I tried your setup with kern and all on feisty boot but same deal. Kernel still can't find root via uuid or /dev/sdb3
[11:01] <nandemonai> IntuitiveNipple: See I'm thinking Fiesty boots because it's on a sata drive, gutsy is not.
[11:02] <nandemonai> Just the two
[11:02] <IntuitiveNipple> hehe - I actually got the UUID of sda7 wrong, since reinstalling Gutsy to it changed the UUID - took me a few minutes to find that out :D
[11:02] <nandemonai> One sata one ide
[11:02] <IntuitiveNipple> What does LiveCD see the pata drive as? /dev/sdb ?
[11:02] <nandemonai> I could never get Feisty on the IDE drive either but back then grub couldn't see the drive. A bios update fixed that but now it's the kernel heh
[11:03] <nandemonai> Not sure.
[11:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you able to pastebin some info from the problem PC?
[11:03] <nandemonai> lol again
[11:03] <nandemonai> They've swapped
[11:04] <nandemonai> sata is /dev/sdb now and pata /dev/sda
[11:04] <nandemonai> What on earth
[11:04] <nandemonai> Sure can.
[11:04] <nandemonai> I did earlier, anyone have that link?
[11:04] <nandemonai> oh wait
[11:05] <IntuitiveNipple> What I'd do is boot into Feisty, run "blkid" to get the UUIDs, then edit menu.lst and ensure the kernel lines have root=UUID=XXXX that matches the partition where / is
[11:05] <nandemonai> I think I have deeper issues..
[11:05] <IntuitiveNipple> If your drives are swapping about then that is a big issue.
[11:05] <nandemonai> sdb and sda should not be swapping on reboots right?
[11:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Hence why UUIDs are so useful :)
[11:05] <albert23> kurosaki: Okies here is my partition layout and grub conf. http://pastebin.com/m232c372
[11:06] <kurosaki> ok kurosaki = nandemonai
[11:06] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, I spotted you :)
[11:06] <kurosaki> Here is paste from a few boots ago..
[11:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm in the 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 install now, it has gone very smoothly
[11:06] <kurosaki> http://pastebin.com/m232c372
[11:06] <kurosaki> ok in that one..
[11:06] <IntuitiveNipple> update manager is doing 180+ updates though :s
[11:07] <kurosaki> sata is sda
[11:07] <kurosaki> ie the all linux drive
[11:08] <kurosaki> This boot: http://pastebin.com/m26ff09b7
[11:08] <kurosaki> So I'm not crazy.
[11:10] <kurosaki> So umm, what could cause that?
[11:10] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, I see a problem with your menu.list
[11:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Try this http://pastebin.com/m382f2858
[11:11] <IntuitiveNipple> note line 12
[11:12] <kurosaki> ooooo
[11:12] <kurosaki> ok there is that
[11:12] <kurosaki> Ta
[11:12] <kurosaki> my bad
[11:12] <IntuitiveNipple> oh hang on, i think I was looking at albert23's grub
[11:12] <kurosaki> Oh wait..
[11:12] <kurosaki> yeah
[11:12] <IntuitiveNipple> all these pastebins
[11:12] <kurosaki> hehe
[11:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Grrr lol
[11:13] <kurosaki> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-10-generic
[11:13] <kurosaki> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-10-generic
[11:13] <kurosaki> But yeah..
[11:13] <IntuitiveNipple> no, I wasn't
[11:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I was looking at yours that you posted to my pastebin earlier
[11:13] <kurosaki> Ah yeah Did that by accident.
[11:13] <IntuitiveNipple> This is yours isn't it? http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/74
[11:13] <kurosaki> So made a fresh one ;)
[11:14] <kurosaki> As you can see the drives are swapped now.
[11:14] <IntuitiveNipple> in which case my observation about line 12 holds true
[11:14] <efface> i just installed the Nvidia driver package and now xserver wont start, someone able to point the way?
[11:15] <kurosaki> IntuitiveNipple, What's wrong with it?
[11:15] <Jordan_U> efface, You installed the Nvidia drivers, not the Nvidia driver package, there is a difference :)
[11:15] <IntuitiveNipple> kurosaki: can you pastebin the current "blkid" of that PC?
[11:15] <efface> ....jordan...u did that on purpose didnt you
[11:15] <IntuitiveNipple> kurosaki: "initrd" instead of "boot"
[11:15] <kurosaki> IntuitiveNipple, sure thing.
[11:16] <kurosaki> IntuitiveNipple, man oh man your right.
[11:16] <efface> ok so the nvidia drivers from the website wont work and i need to apt-get instead?
[11:16] <IntuitiveNipple> If I suddenly disappear, it's because those 180+ updates are being applied!
[11:16] <IntuitiveNipple> kurosaki: go fix that up and try it
[11:16] <kurosaki> IntuitiveNipple, Yeah I'd say that's it.
[11:16] <IntuitiveNipple> check the UUIDs to be sure, first, too... do the blkid :)
[11:16] <kurosaki> But stull
[11:16] <Jordan_U> efface, That would probably work, and for testing it is better if you use the official packages ( which are up to date as of now )
[11:16] <kurosaki> *ill
[11:17] <kurosaki> swapping /dev refs cant be good right?
[11:17] <IntuitiveNipple> it shouldn't if you're using UUIDs... doesn't matter where the file-system is
[11:17] <Jordan_U> efface, Remove the nvidia.com drivers and install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ( which is IIRC the current version from Nvidia )
[11:17] <IntuitiveNipple> make sure the fstab is also using UUIDs
[11:18] <IntuitiveNipple> best thing since sliced bread, UUIDs :)
[11:18] <kurosaki> Yeah it is.
[11:18] <kurosaki> So because of that it's ok that my discs are swapping between /dev/sda and /dev/sdb?
[11:18] <efface> Jordan_U: how do i uninstall the ones i just installed?
[11:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[11:19] <IntuitiveNipple> It won't matter how they are presented in /dev/ if you use UUIDs for everything
[11:19] <kurosaki> Okies, fixed that up. Let's give it a kick then ;)
[11:20] <DanaG> Oh, if uuids are too cryptic, you can use /dev/disk/by-id
[11:20] <IntuitiveNipple> This one's setup with a swap, a separate /boot, two roots and a /home so I can use multiple versions and keep the boot and home constant
[11:20] <nandemonai> No it's a cool system now I know ;)
[11:21] <nandemonai> Viola!
[11:21] <IntuitiveNipple> It worked?
[11:21] <nandemonai> And wow nice splash guys ;)
[11:21] <nandemonai> xbuntu
[11:21] <nandemonai> ;)
[11:21] <nandemonai> Thanks peoples ;)
[11:21] <nandemonai> So stupidity again. le sigh.
[11:21] <nandemonai> Apologies.
[11:22] <IntuitiveNipple> You know what the watchword is?
[11:22] <nandemonai> *grins*
[11:22] <nandemonai> Umm I'm going to say no.
[11:22] <jsomers> nice splash?
[11:22] <jsomers> I haven't seen a splash image in weeks :x
[11:22] <nandemonai> The gutsy xubuntu splash, I likes.
[11:22] <IntuitiveNipple> well words... 'never assume, always check and triple-check'
[11:23] <IntuitiveNipple> catches me out every time if I don't :)
[11:23] <nandemonai> IntuitiveNipple: Oh exactly I did go over it, just one of those things, being tired, auto assuming and skimming ;) Appreciate picking up my error though, now I can play with Gutsy.
[11:24] <IntuitiveNipple> I use 'diff' alot as well to catch silly errors like that
[11:25] <efface> Jordan_U: ok i apt-get nvidia-glx-new and i installed a diff kernel and drivers...xserver will still not start
[11:25] <IntuitiveNipple> I love with the shared /home how all my Compiz settings are there without having to fiddle
[11:25] <nandemonai> So that's safe?
[11:25] <nandemonai> It wont mess up prefs?
[11:26] <nandemonai> Cause I was thinking of doing that myself.
[11:26] <IntuitiveNipple> nandemonai: yeah, so my cube is there, all my shortcuts, etc
[11:26] <IntuitiveNipple> efface: What error does Xorg report when it tries to start?
[11:26] <nandemonai> I was worried my feisty prefs would be messed up by gutsy.
[11:27] <IntuitiveNipple> nandemonai: I had a few issues between Feisty 32-bit and Gutsy 32-bit but mainly it was because I had additional panel applets installed in Feisty that aren't in Gutsy. So when Gutsy asks to delete the missing applets, I just say no
[11:28] <nandemonai> IntuitiveNipple: Hmm okies I might give it a go.
[11:28] <efface> Jordan_U: u still there?
[11:28] <antibody__> damn
[11:28] <antibody__> :/
[11:28] <antibody__> anyone with nvidia problems?
[11:28] <nandemonai> Seems like a great way to test upcoming stuff without risking your main install.
[11:28] <nandemonai> Not yet, let me install the driver hehe
[11:29] <antibody__> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[11:29] <antibody__> I got this after today
[11:29] <antibody__> (did upgrade before going to bed)
[11:29] <sam1337> I have a fully updated version of ubuntu gutsy and with compiz fusion running glxgears and any opengl game i run instantly restarts x. Could anybody please help me solve this problem?
[11:29] <antibody__> sam1337, nvidia?
[11:29] <sam1337> yes
[11:30] <antibody__> sam1337, have problems too
[11:30] <antibody__> I compiz-fusion puts everything white
[11:30] <antibody__> but I have cube
[11:30] <antibody__> :/
[11:30] <antibody__> and I don' t have direct rendering
[11:30] <sam1337> that sucks
[11:30] <sam1337> oops said the s word again
[11:30] <antibody__> :/
[11:30] <efface> IntuitiveNipple: sorry didnt see your msg, says it failed to start and in the log says there is a api mismatch
[11:30] <antibody__> sucks?
[11:30] <antibody__> lol
[11:30] <antibody__> I installed nvidia-glx too
[11:31] <sam1337> yeah i get told off for saying that
[11:31] <antibody__> I installed manually from  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run  and NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run
[11:31] <sam1337> i have tried it on a couple of new nvidia drivers and they both are broken for me
[11:31] <IntuitiveNipple> efface okay... are you in a virtual TTY terminal so you can type commands?
[11:32] <antibody__> sam1337, yeah
[11:32] <antibody__> :/
[11:32] <efface> IntuitiveNipple: yup tty1
[11:32] <sam1337> this problem has been bothering me for months now and ive just found some time to try and solve it again
[11:32] <IntuitiveNipple> efface: ok, lets check something: "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> efface: Does that show an nvidia module?
[11:33] <efface> ok i see nvidia, agpgart and i1c_core
[11:33] <antibody__> sam1337, glxinfo | grep rendering
[11:33] <antibody__> is it YES or NO the direct rendering?
[11:33] <efface> doesnt look like nvidia is being used tho
[11:33] <sam1337> yes
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> efface: ok, now do "sudo modprobe -r nvidia"
[11:33] <efface> nvidia 6837876 0
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> efface now do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[11:33] <sam1337> my driver is working fine it just dosent work with compiz fusion
[11:34] <efface> IntuitiveNipple: still failed
[11:35] <antibody__> :/
[11:35] <antibody__> I don't even have direct rendering
[11:35] <antibody__> but it's using nvidia driver
[11:35] <efface> "the nvidia driver component has version 100.14.11 but the nvidia kernel module's version does not match"
[11:35] <sam1337> brb
[11:36] <antibody__> my versions match
[11:36] <antibody__> :/
[11:38] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, I've managed to get X working again, after the updates yesterday but now XGL is there and it's sapping a lot of resources from the CPU.  How do I get rid of XGL for the moment?
[11:38] <Jordan_U> efface, Sorry, I was away, try running "sudo update-rc.d nvidia-kernel defaults"
[11:39] <efface> says the links already exist
[11:40] <Jordan_U> efface, What happens when you run "sudo modprobe nvidia" ?
[11:41] <SeveredCross> Why would every session all of a sudden start Xgl instead of only the Xgl one starting Xgl and the others starting X?
[11:41] <SeveredCross> I see X running on :0.0 but no matter what I seem to get thrown to :1.0
[11:41] <SeveredCross> Which doesn't have OpenGL or anything.
[11:41] <efface> Jordan_U: nothing, seems to run fine, try runnign gdm after that, same prob
[11:42] <Jordan_U> Seveas, What happens when you "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" then "startx"?
[11:42] <SeveredCross> I assume you mean me, not Seveas
[11:42] <SeveredCross> I didn't try that, gimme a sec.
[11:43] <efface> lol he crashed
[11:43] <Jordan_U> efface, Try "sudo apt-get remove --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[11:44] <sam1337> ive found the bug i have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:45] <nandemonai> Ok so I have two options for nvidia in Restricted Drivers, normal and 'latest cards'. I have a 7600gt so which should I pick?
[11:45] <sam1337> newest
[11:45] <nandemonai> Okies thanks.
[11:45] <efface> Jordan_U: still doesnt work
[11:45] <crdlb> unless you want to run compiz lol
[11:46] <Jordan_U> efface, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[11:46] <nandemonai> Well so far glxgear runs primo.
[11:46] <Do``> is there some kind of gui for setting up my mouse? for some reason i had to reconfigure the x.org config, and the mouse setup is back to what it was in ubuntu 6.10... logitech mx510 (5btn) recognized as 7 button.
[11:47] <nandemonai> ;)
[11:49] <jsomers> Do``: there is no gui for doing that, to my knowledge
[11:49] <Do``> so i have to dig into xorg.conf? :(
[11:49] <efface> Jordan_U: ok that got me into X, i went t the nvidia xserver setup and it said it does not appear i am using the nvidia X drivers
[11:50] <jsomers> Do``: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36101/
[11:50] <Jordan_U> efface, Did you choose "nvidia" when asked what driver to use?
[11:50] <jsomers> that's my setup for my mx518
[11:51] <Jordan_U> efface, If not go to System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager and enable Nvidia
[11:51] <Do``> jsomers: i'm guessing the mx510 is fairly similar and i can use this
[11:51] <Do``> right?
[11:52] <efface> Jordan_U: that application is not listed
[11:52] <Jordan_U> efface, Really?
[11:53] <antibody_> damn..do I need to change anything in xorg.conf to have xgl?
[11:53] <antibody_> xgl is starting now
[11:53] <antibody_>  Adaptor #0: "Xgl Generic Texture Video"
[11:53] <jsomers> Do``: normally yes
[11:53] <SeveredCross> Doing what you suggested Jordan_U, X doesn't even start.
[11:53] <Jordan_U> efface, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <antibody_> and I don't have direct rendering
[11:53] <jsomers> I had the same setup for my old 500, and it works for this one
[11:53] <SeveredCross> I can see two instances of X in ps aux, but for some reason I get logged into Xgl all the time.
[11:53] <Do``> jsomers: thank you
[11:54] <antibody_> any flag to use the old interface?(nonxgl)
[11:54] <jsomers> of course, don't copy everything
[11:54] <SeveredCross> Screen :0.0 has X running with direct rendering and all.
[11:54] <SeveredCross> But :1.0 is Xgl and it always gets bloody started for some reason.
[11:54] <jsomers> I use a PS2 setup, so if you use USB some things might be different
[11:54] <SeveredCross> I can't figure it out.
[11:54] <jsomers> like the Device and Protocol options
[11:54] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, I may have missed it but does it start if you startx instead of using GDM ?
[11:55] <SeveredCross> No.
[11:55] <SeveredCross> Doesn't even start, just gets to that weird X screen with the crosshatching.
[11:55] <antibody_> bah
[11:55] <SeveredCross> And dies
[11:55] <antibody_> I can't even access to nvidia-settings it says it's not using nvidia...(but it is)
[11:55] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Strange... What about xinit? That should get you just an xterm and nothing else
[11:55] <SeveredCross> Okay, let me try that.
[11:56] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, If that works try running "gnome-session" from the xterm
[11:56] <antibody_> I'm only having display 1,0 not 0.0
[11:56] <antibody_> (with startx from console)
[11:57] <antibody_> apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[11:57] <antibody_> brb
[11:57] <SeveredCross> Well, that gets me an xterm and now I'm on from irssi.
[11:57] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, If that works try running "gnome-session" from the xterm
[11:57] <SeveredCross> I'd rather not flat-out remove Xgl, because I do like using compiz sometimes.
[11:57] <SeveredCross> Okay, will try it now.
[11:58] <SeveredCross> Welp, that worked.
[11:59] <Lunar_Lamp> What did you do SeveredCross I think I'm having a similar issue to you - every session starting with an XGL process :-()
[12:00] <SeveredCross> Lunar_Lamp: Stop gdm, run xinit from a tty, then run gnome-session &
[12:00] <SeveredCross> I don't understand why this just started.
[12:00] <SeveredCross> It was running fine previously, I could log out and go back to a plain X session rather than an XGL one.
[12:00] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, I'm using kde, so I'll do the equiv stop kdm, xinit, startkde
[12:00] <SeveredCross> Right.
[12:00] <SeveredCross> I logged out to go back to X so's I could have OpenGL, and BOOM, all went haywire.
[12:00] <efface> Jordan_U: another problem has popped up, once i restarted my wireless connection disappeared and the device is not listed, eth0 is still listed tho, but i havent been able to get that working, it wont obtain an IP
[12:00] <Lunar_Lamp> (just rebooting at the moment though, meh - and it's checking hard drive on this boot :-( )
[12:01] <stefano> Hmm, i would like to say that the update of the gstreamer recently is not a complete succes.
[12:01] <efface> Jordan_U: this post is essentially the exact same prob im having with that http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/65765-cannot-get-dhcp-work-ubuntu.html
[12:01] <antibody_> ok
[12:01] <efface> and because my internet isnt working, lol, i cant apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <antibody_> have direct rendering after apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[12:02] <antibody_> but...I'm running in enlightenment with startx
[12:02] <stefano> When playing with Rhythm media player there are like glitches on high volume areas of the songs. IF i play the same song with XMMS, there is no problem.
[12:02] <antibody_> gnome didn't start from gdm
[12:02] <Jordan_U> efface, Sounds like you are missing restricted drivers, which is one of the reasons I had you installing ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:02] <antibody_> f
[12:03] <SeveredCross> antibody_: We've  all got issues.
[12:03] <SeveredCross> I can't start anything that's not Xgl.
[12:03] <efface> Jordan_U: yea....i cant install it now since the internet stopped working hehe
[12:03] <antibody_> hmm..
[12:03] <antibody_> I'll restart X from gdm again
[12:03] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, It is definitely a GDM problem so just use your backed up conf for GDM
[12:03] <efface> is the restricted drivers related to the network problem?
[12:04] <SeveredCross> Hmm, I'll restore the default gdm.conf
[12:04] <Jordan_U> efface, What wireless chipset do you have?
[12:05] <SeveredCross> Okay, let's try this again!
[12:05] <efface> actually ide rather get my NIC working, its a nforce board using forcedeth
[12:05] <efface> MFP55 or somethen like that
[12:05] <efface> this post has some info i already posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3297978#post3297978
[12:06] <efface> after i tried some things
[12:06] <SeveredCross> well.
[12:06] <SeveredCross> That did nothing.
[12:06] <SeveredCross> Restoring default gdm.conf and (factory-gdm.conf in /etc/gdm) did squat.
[12:06] <SeveredCross> I'm back in an XGL session!
[12:06] <Jordan_U> efface, OK, try sudo ifconfig eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0
[12:06] <antibody_> nups..nothing starts from gdm
[12:06] <antibody_> :d
[12:06] <antibody_> enlightenment again here .D
[12:06] <SeveredCross> I start Xgl from Gdm.
[12:07] <SeveredCross> If I shut down GDM and do xinit, I start X.
[12:08] <efface> it trys to obtain a leave and then fails
[12:08] <Lunar_Lamp> Hehe SeveredCross I just removed xserver-xgl and that seems to not be a good idea.
[12:08] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Try "sudo apt-get remove --purge --reinstall gdm" ( this will loose all custom config for GDM )
[12:08] <SeveredCross> Hmm, okay.
[12:08] <nandemonai> Well guess I'm lucky. Compiz seems to be working fine for me.
[12:08] <nandemonai> ;)
[12:08] <SeveredCross> Lunar_Lamp: After removing XGL, nothing starts?
[12:08] <antibody_> do u all have xserver-xgl installed?
[12:08] <Lunar_Lamp> SeveredCross, bingo
[12:08] <SeveredCross> Yep, xserver-xgl installed.
[12:08] <Lunar_Lamp> nandemonai, I have an ATI card :-(
[12:08] <SeveredCross> It worked fine though for the past few days.
[12:08] <SeveredCross> With ATI card and all.
[12:09] <nandemonai> 7600gt nv with nv restricted 'latest cards'. So far I have gnome, compiz/xgl. Seems creamy so far...
[12:12] <nandemonai> Well colour me impressed.
[12:12] <SeveredCross> Good lord, still the same thing.
[12:12] <SeveredCross> I think gnome-session is broken.
[12:12] <SeveredCross> Or smoething.
[12:12] <SeveredCross> Because X starts for GDM
[12:12] <SeveredCross> Then as soon as I choose a session, Xgl starts uP!
[12:13] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, I'm using kde, so I'll do the equiv stop kdm, xinit, startkde <-- that worked SeveredCross
[12:13] <Lunar_Lamp> So it seems our problems are the same for sure.
[12:13] <SeveredCross> Yes, but we shouldn't have to do that.
[12:13] <efface> Jordan_U: i trys to lease an ip and fails
[12:13] <Lunar_Lamp> SeveredCross, ofc not :-)
[12:13] <Lunar_Lamp> It's oddness.
[12:13] <antibody_> Lunar_Lamp, yeah..doing the same with englightenment
[12:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Somewhere, XGL is being told to start with everything.
[12:14] <SeveredCross> I really don't get it.
[12:14] <SeveredCross> Where the hell could it be starting?
[12:14] <SeveredCross> And what could have made it so.
[12:15] <nandemonai> lol ok spoke too soon. I changed the driver in in the gnome video settings thing to the restricted and now I just have a desktop no panels. Right click works though haha
[12:15] <Do``> when i try to play a DVD and doesnt mount and when i want to open the removable media in the system menu, i am told that 'hald' isnt running. how can i start it?
[12:15] <SeveredCross> Gahhh
[12:17] <SeveredCross> Why in the name of all that is holy would this be happening...
[12:18] <Do``> hm my usb pendrive wont mount either
[12:18] <Do``> could someone help me figure out what's going on?
[12:19] <nandemonai> Oh wait, my screen is just _huge_ I can span around with the mouse. Groovy.
[12:19] <AmyRose> Do``: Someone else came here with the same problem earlier
[12:19] <nandemonai> Wow, it defaulted to some crazy resolution.
[12:19] <SeveredCross> I think I know where to look but I don't know where that where is.
[12:20] <SeveredCross> Where does GDM look for the commands to start a session.
[12:20] <Do``> AmyRose: i cant find it in my log :(
[12:20] <efface> Jordan_U: u there?
[12:21] <SeveredCross> >:O
[12:25] <SeveredCross> I've got half a mind to just wipe this install and start over again.
[12:25] <efface> hehe
[12:30] <SeveredCross> Lunar_Lamp, any success?
[12:31] <SeveredCross> Well, I have an idea.
[12:31] <SeveredCross> It's kind of a bruteforce.
[12:31] <SeveredCross> But you could symlink all Xgl executables to X. :)
[12:33] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm
[12:33] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Not sure linking all xgls to x is a good idea
[12:42] <bojanr> Well.
[12:42] <bojanr> This is fun.
[12:43] <SeveredCross> :-\
[12:43] <SeveredCross> I don't have any blank CD's.
[12:43] <SeveredCross> And I don't have my Gutsy Tribe 5 CD.
[12:43] <SeveredCross> But everything is bloody borked.
[12:46] <efface> Jordan_U: u back yet?
[12:48] <AmyRose> !u | efface
[12:48] <ubotu> efface: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[12:48] <AmyRose> :P
[12:48] <efface> all that matters in that U know what im talking about
[12:49] <efface> fix my problem and i will forgive u
[12:49] <efface> :P
[12:53] <ironmatar> i seem to be having a major issue attempting to get either the 32 bit or 64 bit iso for fiesty to not bork when resetting the comp and or doing the updates, ill get a isnatll that appears stable and i can work with it  but if i reboot or do updates it borks  somone sugessted i try gutsy  or is there a system hardware tools checker i can find online somewhere  so i can confirm what part is broken as other ahve suggested i ahv
[12:54] <ironmatar> i dont undestand why the parts i used would be the issue  i boought hi quality parts
[12:57] <Stormx2> Uhg.
[12:57] <Stormx2> Anyone using ndiswrapper?
[01:00] <sam1337> gutsy looks like its going to be great once all the bugs are fixed
[01:02] <efface> be nice if i could get online.
[01:02] <sam1337> it'd be nice if i could get online with debian lenny. thats the only reason im using ubuntu really because ubuntu works better on my hardware
[01:06] <sam1337> I wish the ubuntu installer made it nice and easy to setup lvm and drive encryption
[01:14] <Stormx2> I have issues with building various things under gutsy.
[01:14] <Stormx2> often I get "error: linux/config.h: no such file or directory"
[01:14] <Stormx2> any tips?