[01:11] <rockets> What update manager does xubuntu come with
[01:11] <rockets> regular update-manager?
[01:12] <The-Kernel> yeah
[01:17] <rockets> cool
[01:21] <rockets> God damn it I don't need punjabi fonts.
[01:26] <Ben_Cs> is vmware best prog for virtualising or is there a better one?
[01:27] <Ben_Cs> oh vmware isn't free
[01:27] <Ben_Cs> what's free?
[01:31] <retardo> greetings,
[01:31] <malarame> hello
[01:32] <retardo> i have a little printer question
[01:33] <retardo> will my brother DCP-115 work with xubuntu ?
[01:37] <retardo> ??
[01:38] <malarame> have you looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=488016&highlight=dcp-115
[01:38] <malarame> i don't know if that'll work on xubuntu or not
[01:41] <retardo> i'll have a look.. thanks
[01:42] <brenton_> I'm using an Nividia riva 128 chip (very old) and it looks like my install is using software rendering (direct rendering is off). Would getting direct rendering on improve my performance when i'm in X?
[01:43] <spaz> hey
[01:43] <spaz> i'm trying to remove the top panel in xfce (I use gutsy)
[01:43] <spaz> but every time i try, it segfaults
[01:43] <malarame> brenton_: i'm not sure, but i'd say just try it and see
[01:43] <spaz> both panels disappear
[01:44] <spaz> and then i have to restart it by pressing alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel
[01:44] <spaz> any ideas how to get rid of it another way then what i've been doing?
[01:44] <spaz> (basically the customize panel option in the menu you get from right clicking the panel)
[01:46] <brenton_> malarame, my main problem is i can't seem to find a driver for it. I tried the restricted drivers, but it doesn't detect. The card is from 1998, and the machine is 400mhz, so I was hoping i might get a bit better desktop performance, but getting a driver for the card on here looks like it's going to be a bit of work
[01:47] <brenton_> the only driver i can find that specifically mentions it is for suse linux
[01:47] <malarame> hmm
[01:47] <malarame> i don't know then
[01:47] <xork> spaz: i heard about that bug in gutsy, i don't think it's been resolved yet
[01:47] <spaz> :-(
[01:48] <xork> :(
[01:48] <malarame> someone who knows more than me will have to help you out
[01:50] <xork> spaz: try
[01:50] <spaz> xork, try what?
[01:50] <spaz> to help you?
[01:50] <spaz> my hardware isn't as aincent as yours, though it is quite old
[01:50] <xork> spaz: try looking in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[01:50] <spaz> i haven't had graphics card problems though
[01:50] <spaz> oh
[01:50] <spaz> hmm
[01:52] <xork> i only have one panel listed there
[01:52] <xork> so if you have two, could try removing one
[01:52] <xork> backup first ;)
[01:53] <spaz> thanks xork :-)
[01:54] <xork> np
[01:54] <xork> it's the way to go ;)
[01:54] <spaz> indeed
[01:54] <spaz> KDE started getting too bloated for my tastes
[01:54] <spaz> my load averages were around 10 seconds :-s
[01:54] <malarame> i didn't like gnome or kde when i tried them
[01:55] <spaz> i liked KDE, but it seemed to look uglier over time (and of course, the aformentioned heaviness)
[01:55] <malarame> it is very ugly
[01:55] <Pumpernickel> brenton_: Older nVidia cards like the Rivas require the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.
[01:55] <spaz> you should see my old desktop :-s
[01:55] <spaz> i liked it at first, it got old fast though
[01:56] <malarame> and i khate khow kthey kname kthings
[01:56] <spaz> all those krappy k puns?
[01:56] <malarame> it kpisses me off
[01:56] <spaz> lol
[01:56] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, what does it take to install that? And would i get a performance bump in normal computing from it?
[01:56] <malarame> when you're scrolling through a list of programs to find one, i personally like to be able to sort things alphabetically
[01:57] <malarame> it sorta defeats the whole purpose to have everything start with one letter
[01:57] <Pumpernickel> Unlikely, for CPU bound things.  You may notice an increase in interface responsiveness.
[01:57] <brenton_> Yeah, the main thing that's killing me now is a sluggish interface
[01:57] <malarame> i have sluggish interface problems too, my xorg process takes up a ton of my processor whenever i do anything
[01:58] <spaz> O_o
[01:58] <spaz> ouch
[01:58] <malarame> especially moving or resizing windows or scrolling windows
[01:58] <malarame> seriously, xorg jumps to 100% cpu and everything slows to a crawl
[01:58] <brenton_> yeah, i'm pretty much looking for anything that can speed that up. xgears pukes on this thing, which  is sad
[02:00] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, do you know where i could download this driver?
[02:00] <Pumpernickel> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:00] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[02:00] <brenton_> thanks
[02:01] <xork> dumb q: how do you move out of a full-screen app? alt-tab works with full screen wine applications, but not native ones
[02:05] <spaz> lol
[02:05] <spaz> i can see why they call him retardo ;-)
[02:05] <spaz> j/k of course
[02:08] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, now that i've installed, and run  "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable", do I just restart to get it working?
[02:13] <brenton_> thanks everybody, i'm going to try a restart
[02:28] <alnokta> why when i delete an html file, the accompanying folder isn't deleted?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> Why when you delete an image, another image with a similar name isn't deleted?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> alnokta, You'Re asking weird questions.
[02:33] <kalikiana_> If you want a file to be removed, so do it.
[02:34] <alnokta> ;) .. when you save an html page with images and css and all..it creates a folder along with it..the logical thing is to get that folder deleted when the page is deleted
[02:36] <kalikiana_> This sounds logical in that case - provided you expect it to happen. I would not like that to happen personally.
[02:37] <kalikiana_> I don't consider my computer intelligent enough to read my mind.
[02:46] <Pumpernickel> If it were represented as a single archive, maybe.  Since it isn't, it would break consistency with how the rest of the filesystem is handled.
[02:49] <alnokta> okay, just something windows does and i considered as a convenience ..
[03:56] <spaz> heyloo
[03:56] <spaz> how do i lock xfce's session?
[03:57] <spaz> and please be quick, i have to use the bathroom and there are annoying kids who will mess with everything while i'm out :-x
[04:15] <cellofellow> darnit. Where is cheeseboy when you need him?
[04:18] <spaz> cellofellow, do you know how to lock Xfce's session?
[04:20] <cellofellow> spaz: use xscreensaver
[04:21] <spaz> hmm
[04:21] <cellofellow> I think ctrl+alt+del is bound to xflock4, which by default uses xscreensaver.
[04:22] <spaz> xflock4 is exactly what i was looking for
[04:22] <spaz> thanks
[04:22] <spaz> brb
[04:22] <cellofellow> spaz: add to the panel and Action Button, and in the Properties of that button, choose Lock instead of Quit. Put it next to the Quit button.
[04:31] <spaz> thanks cellofellow :-)
[04:31] <cellofellow> :D
[04:31] <cellofellow> No problemo.
[04:32] <spaz> you saved my session (and my underwear :-P)
[04:36] <erz-> hi all :)
[04:36] <erz-> i want to move to xfce, i have kubuntu edgy. fresh install. what i have to do ?
[04:37] <cellofellow> install xubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <cellofellow> and then, if you want to get rid of KDE, remove kubuntu-desktop and all its dependancies.
[04:40] <erz-> thx, with remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:44] <alnokta> is there a program that can save me from entering the password everytime?
[04:57] <rici> you can enable autologin
[04:57] <rici> system | login window
[04:58] <alnokta> no i mean when starting something like services, synaptic etc.
[05:01] <foxray> isn't there supposed to be transparency abilities on the xfce toolbars in xubuntu?
[05:07] <xork> you have to turn on compositing
[05:07] <foxray> ah
[05:07] <xork> settings/window manager tweaks
[05:07] <foxray> it takes some getting use to, i just migrated from fluxbox
[05:22] <xork> *nod*
[05:22] <xork> it's good stuff, though :)
[05:38] <erz-> lol i go in 1280x1024 and nothing apperas on the screen
[05:49] <cellofel1ow> hi
[05:53] <cellofel1ow> brb
[06:09] <Armadillio> HOLY CRAP GUYS I FUCKED UP MY STUFF
[06:09] <Armadillio> Anyone ever have panel problems before?
[06:17] <Armadillio> ...anyone?
[06:18] <Armadillio> My top panel won't autohide (I think because of Beryl) anymore, and I'm afraid if I turn off my box and back on my panels will freeze again and I won't be able to access anything.
[06:22] <Armadillio> sorry guys my client had to reset
[06:22] <Armadillio> any answers? I'm afraid
[06:31] <Armadillio> oh guys someone has to be here
[06:39] <Armadillio> :(
[06:40] <xork> you can always hit alt-f2
[06:41] <xork> and run xfce4-panel
[06:41] <xork> if you don't have any panels
[06:42] <xork> and panel config file is located at ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[06:47] <divra> just updated from dapper to edgy, I'm missing the "control bar" at the top of the screen.  Any Idea's?
[06:49] <Armadillio> control bar? could you explain that...? i've probably never used it, unless you mean the top panel.
[06:49] <divra> yeah
[06:50] <divra> with the application menu and the system menu
[06:50] <Armadillio> i'm not sure. i'm having panel troubles myself, but no one else apparently wants to talk
[06:50] <Armadillio> you should try going to the bottom panel and right clicking it and pressing "customize panel"
[06:51] <divra> I have no bottom panel either
[06:51] <divra> I have the four desktops with icons but no menus
[06:51] <Armadillio> ...how did you manage to get on an irc client then?
[06:51] <Armadillio> are they just blank bars?
[06:51] <divra> I'm on my windows machine
[06:52] <divra> No, there is nothing
[06:52] <Armadillio> so your not on Xubuntu?
[06:52] <Armadillio> alright, forget that.
[06:52] <xork> hit alt-f2
[06:52] <Armadillio> your best chance would be to just get a new edgy .iso and give it a fresh install with edgy, no upgrading through the net.
[06:52] <divra> ok, I have the four terminal screens, f1 ~ f4
[06:53] <xork> run xfce-panel
[06:53] <xork> if your panels are not configured right
[06:53] <xork> edit ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[06:53] <Armadillio> it told me there was no such document or program...
[06:53] <xork> er sorry run xfce4-panel
[06:54] <Armadillio> still failed
[06:54] <Armadillio> wait nvm
[06:54] <Armadillio> augh, it still won't autohide
[06:54] <xork> you can set autohide in panels.xml
[06:54] <xork> if you're running beryl i have noidea
[06:55] <xork> beryl screws with that stuff
[06:55] <xork> use xfce4's compositing instead ;)
[06:55] <divra> I get a bash no run found
[06:55] <divra> error
[06:56] <xork> don't type "run xfce4-panel:"
[06:56] <xork> just "xfce4-panel"
[06:56] <divra> oh, duh
[06:56] <Armadillio> thats what i did
[06:56] <divra> not found
[06:57] <xork> hm, should be
[06:57] <xork> you can always sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel, then try again ;)
[06:59] <Armadillio> it says i already have it...
[06:59] <xork> that's for divra
[06:59] <xork> you already have your panels running, right?
[06:59] <Armadillio> yes... but they've decided to stop autohiding
[06:59] <xork> but you're running beryl?
[07:00] <Armadillio> i was, but I can switch to the default if needed
[07:00] <xork> try that
[07:00] <Armadillio> ok, switched, here i go...
[07:00] <Armadillio> nope, it still does it
[07:02] <Armadillio> bleh. does xfce seem to break to often for other people as well?
[07:02] <xork> i've never had it breka
[07:02] <Armadillio> i'm afraid that if I shut down my box and turn it back on, my panels will disapeer and I won't remember the commands
[07:02] <Armadillio> likew last time
[07:07] <divra> ok
[07:07] <divra> This is what I got
[07:07] <divra> Gke-Warning Can't open displa
[07:07] <divra> display
[07:09] <Armadillio> we're screwed, lets face it
[07:09] <divra> no
[07:09] <divra> never screwed
[07:10] <divra> the machine is working great
[07:10] <xork> divra: i don't know what to tell you, never had xfce4-panel not start for me
[07:10] <divra> it's just missing the menu
[07:10] <xork> divra: #ubuntu is much more active if nobody else here is alive
[07:12] <divra> I'm just going to try going from edgy to feisty
[07:13] <divra> maybe something that got missed in the edgy install will get replaced with feisty
[07:13] <divra> ??
[07:13] <Armadillio> good luck, gods speed
[07:28] <divra> how do I remove xfce4-panel?
[07:29] <divra> most everything I'm doing now says Gtk-Warning
[09:14] <DuClare> is there an xfce application with which I can change UI settings for kde applications.. (font size)
[09:17] <alnokt0a> DuClare, there is User interface settings, but it will change globally
[09:17] <DuClare> I tried the UI settings, it seems like it worked for gnome apps
[09:17] <DuClare> but kde apps still have those blinding huge fonts
[09:18] <alnokt0a> yes i know how you feel :)
[09:18] <alnokt0a> i'm on  600x800 ;)
[09:18] <DuClare> I can't understand why the default fonts are so gigantic. :)
[09:18] <DuClare> it actually looks very messy
[09:18] <DuClare> when the text is too thick
[09:21] <alnokt0a> now i'm using dejavu sans .. 8 .. little hard to read .. but better
[09:21] <DuClare> sans 6 here
[09:21] <DuClare> 7 on the xubuntu machine I think
[09:22] <DuClare> (I installed xubuntu for my sister)
[09:22] <DuClare> the funny thing is, the font selector dialog doesn't have sizes below 8 in the list
[09:23] <DuClare> but you can just type in the number manually
[09:23] <DuClare> and it works just fine
[09:23] <DuClare> :)
[09:29] <alnokt0a> really .. nice
[09:40] <alnokt0a> when postfix receives messages..how can i read them?
[09:43] <TheSheep> DuClare: that's on purpose -- you are not supposed to be using fonts smaller than 9pt normally
[09:44] <TheSheep> DuClare: books normally use 12pt, pocket books -- 10pt
[09:45] <DuClare> for whatever reason, the fonts are just too big for me when it's 9 or so
[09:45] <TheSheep> DuClare: set your dpi correctly
[09:45] <TheSheep> DuClare: for example, set your monitor physical dimensions in xorg.conf
[10:58] <carl> Hi, I've got a majoro problemo over here.. A couple of days ago I decided to install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage from the repos, but after reboot gnome just throws a lot of errors about trying to change non-writable files, and I also get the same with gnome-based programs from xfce. Xfce works alright, but I just wanted to play a little with it, not get stuck with it :s Can anyone help me to get my system back on track again?
[11:02] <TheSheep> carl: I doubt it's because of the xubuntu-desktop package
[11:02] <TheSheep> carl: did you play with rights to your home directory?
[11:04] <carl> TheSheep: nope
[11:04] <carl> all I did was to install xubuntu-desktop and reboot
[11:04] <TheSheep> carl: can you type 'dmesg | grep remount' in the terminal?
[11:05] <carl> gives nought
[11:05] <TheSheep> carl: 'mount' ?
[11:06] <carl> [   28.087889]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[11:06] <carl> [   39.402825]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[11:07] <TheSheep> carl: no, 'mount | grep home'
[11:07] <carl> aha
[11:08] <carl> /dev/hdb2 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[11:08] <TheSheep> ok, 'ls -ld ~'?
[11:09] <carl> drwxr-xr-x 86 carl carl 16384 2007-09-02 10:49 /home/carl
[11:09] <TheSheep> carl: 'df | grep home'?
[11:10] <carl> /dev/hdb2            201913448  55334516 136322236  29% /home
[11:10] <TheSheep> carl: do you have any free space on the / ?
[11:11] <TheSheep> carl: check with df
[11:11] <carl> ?
[11:11] <TheSheep> carl: type 'df' in the terminal and see if it says '100%' next to /
[11:12] <carl> /dev/hdb1             36527156   5295028  29376624  16% /
[11:12] <carl> so, no
[11:12] <TheSheep> carl: does it say which files are non-writable?
[11:12] <carl> nope
[11:13] <carl> hang on, I'll send you a screenshot of one I got from xchat in xfce, it's the same kind of error
[11:15] <filthpig> TheSheep: did you get the request?
[11:16] <filthpig> gone thinking? :)
[11:17] <TheSheep> filthpig: DCC can't connect to 88.89.13.98 port 1026
[11:18] <filthpig> o0
[11:18] <filthpig> hmf
[11:18] <TheSheep> filthpig: just upload it on imageshack or something
[11:18] <filthpig> aight, 2 secs
[11:20] <filthpig> http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error2hi4.jpg
[11:22] <TheSheep> filthpig: that's not about files, it's about gconf
[11:23] <filthpig> k
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: unfotunately I'm not familiar with the permission system of gconf
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: it's like windows registry, only xml :/
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: gnome's invention
[11:23] <filthpig> yep
[11:24] <TheSheep> filthpig: you're on gutsy?
[11:24] <filthpig> feisty
[11:25] <filthpig> could fine the iso for gutsy, lol
[11:25] <filthpig> erh
[11:25] <filthpig> couldn't find*
[11:25] <TheSheep> filthpig: it's not released yet
[11:25] <filthpig> not some alpha/beta/rc either?
[11:26] <TheSheep> filthpig: yes, there is tribe5 iso, I believe, on the testing page
[11:27] <filthpig> ok, I'll check it out some time.. Got too much on my hands this week :/
[11:27] <filthpig> it'll be an october release, right?
[11:27] <TheSheep> filthpig: gconf shouldn't break after installing xubuntu :/
[11:27] <TheSheep> filthpig: yes
[11:28] <filthpig> TheSheep: I know
[11:28] <filthpig> hm
[11:28] <TheSheep> filthpig: it never happened to me, and I did it several times
[11:28] <filthpig> but I suddenly came to think of something
[11:28] <TheSheep> filthpig: in feisty too
[11:30] <filthpig> gconf didn't let me edit the button positions in the window decoartion (close, maximize, minimize), so some guy told me to try a command
[11:30] <filthpig> I'll see if I can access my log from xchat and see what it was
[11:30] <filthpig> I think I've rebooted after he gave me that command without any probs, but I've got to check it anyway
[11:37] <filthpig> can't find the log o0
[11:38] <filthpig> dang, xchat isn't logging by default
[11:39] <filthpig> so no log
[11:39] <filthpig> but from what I remember it was something with chmod ... 600
[11:40] <filthpig> it was supposed to give me writing permits for gconf
[11:40] <filthpig> TheSheep: might that have had anything to do with it?
[11:45] <TheSheep> filthpig: probably
[11:52] <filthpig> bbiab
[12:20] <carl> ahoy TheSheep, I found the command :) chmod -R 600 ~/.gconf/
[12:24] <Filthpig> TheSheep: here are all my errors in all their glory ;) http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gnomerror2pa8.jpg
[12:27] <TheSheep> Filthpig: chmod -R 700 ~/.gconf/
[12:28] <Filthpig> with or without sudo?
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: without
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: doesn't matter
[12:29] <Filthpig> okay
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: the file should be owned by you anyways
[12:29] <TheSheep> s
[12:29] <Filthpig> i'll try rebooting, then
[12:33] <carl> and re :)
[12:33] <filthpig> now in gnome :D
[12:33] <filthpig> thanks a million, TheSheep :D
[12:44] <filthpig> brb
[03:32] <DuClare> does anybody know how to fix this error (while trying to start opera): opera: Module initialization failure. (-2036) ...
[03:32] <DuClare> works fine if run as root :o
[03:58] <admin__> Hi
[03:58] <admin__> New to this all
[04:00] <admin__> Phoenix Bios 1999, How do I instal XUbuntu KUbuntu. Intall Crashes with (initramsfs) prompt.
[04:01] <admin__> My 1st Atempt to instal Linux ever..
[04:03] <grazie> DuClare: You have set up a root account? Did you install opera with the root account?
[04:04] <DuClare> grazie, nah, I mean as root with sudo
[04:04] <grazie> admin__: Describe you system a bit more. How much ram & hard disk size?
[04:04] <admin__> Tx. 256MB Ram + PII 20GB H/Disk
[04:04] <grazie> DuClare: Not had any problems with opera myself
[04:05] <grazie> admin__: that's fine...what do mean by Xubuntu Kubuntu? It's either Xubuntu or Kubuntu
[04:05] <DuClare> that probably isn't important
[04:05] <admin__> Sorry half asleep from spending hours last night trying to sort this.
[04:05] <admin__> XUBUNTU
[04:06] <admin__> 7.04 i386 to be exact
[04:06] <admin__> DEsktop
[04:07] <grazie> admin__: no idea...sorry
[04:08] <admin__> Tx 4 trying
[04:08] <predaeus> !install | admin__
[04:08] <ubotu> admin__: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:09] <admin__> Tx
[04:09] <predaeus> probably 256MB is not enough for the regular installer (but better check yourself, I forgot). There is an alternative text installer (with wizard).
[04:10] <admin__> Tx. But can it instal on a Pre 2000 Bios
[04:11] <predaeus> I don't know.
[04:11] <DuClare> admin__, check out this too, no clue if it has anything to do with the prob you have but.. http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-7-problem
[04:11] <DuClare> did you get anything else but (initramfs) ?
[04:11] <admin__> Tx
[04:11] <DuClare> you might want to try the alternate installer anyway..
[04:12] <grazie> admin__: so long as the bios can boot a cd image I don't know of any other limited. Unless things have radically change very recently, 256M is plenty of ram for the Desktop installer. However, the alternate does generally give less problems.
[04:13] <grazie> ^^ limitation
[04:14] <admin__> Give Error: ACPI fails cutoff age. ACPI=force required
[04:14] <admin__> ...
[04:14] <admin__> Tx Grazie
[04:17] <admin__> Running CD Check Option now Display a nice XUBUNTU Logo and progress screen
[04:18] <admin__> Is it normal that Progress bar is not animated as taking a wike to check CD - but NumLock Still working
[04:22] <admin__> This CD check is taking for ever..Should it?
[04:32] <admin__> Its Still Checking CD! Any ideas if crashed?
[04:37] <admin__> Just to be sure CDRom ok would like to copy CD to Hard Disk. I formatted Hard Disk Lunt Ext?3
[04:47] <funbitz> hi, do you know some good virtual cd software for ubuntu?
[04:51] <ShaunWin> Hi,Managed to get my name back
[04:51] <ShaunWin> Trying to copy Xubuntu ISO to hard disk
[04:51] <ShaunWin> New to this all
[04:52] <ShaunWin> Can some pro please help
[04:52] <ShaunWin> This way can check if CD reader ok. Checked CD on another PC
[04:53] <Ramla> funbitz: you mean like daemon tools?
[04:53] <Ramla> ShaunWin: you mean to build an .iso or?
[04:53] <Ramla> hmm repetition..
[04:53] <ShaunWin> No Have the ISO
[04:54] <ShaunWin> But when installing it crashes
[04:54] <funbitz> Ramla: yes!
[04:54] <ShaunWin> Leaves me at a Prompt (initramfs)
[04:55] <Ramla> funbitz: well, it's basically built in, you can mount .iso files to a directory
[04:56] <funbitz> Ramla: how?  :) (don't mind my ignorance)
[04:56] <funbitz> i understand there are scripts for this or such...
[04:57] <Ramla> as i recall, it was simply mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint -o loop
[04:58] <Ramla> the thing is, last time i checked, there was no support for .ccd, .img, and other common-in-windows cd image formats
[04:58] <Ramla> if you have one of those, i recommend googling for format2iso, like mdf2iso
[04:59] <Ramla> and hmm, if you prefer a graphical interface, gisomount is one option (don't know if there are many others)
[04:59] <funbitz> hmm... i found something more like daemon tools   acetoneteam.org  ... but for some reason their server doesn't work
[04:59] <funbitz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3284756
[05:00] <funbitz> i found this thread about it
[05:00] <triptec> what bittorrent client does ppl prefer??
[05:05] <Ramla> rtorrent
[05:05] <Ramla> non-graphical though
[05:05] <Ramla> haven't found a graphical one i'd like
[05:11] <ShaunWin> Tx Guys, Will try
[05:13] <szachista> qbittorrent is cool
[05:18] <ShaunWin> Any idea how ot get name of ISO on CD
[05:18] <ShaunWin> Don't have  linux installed
[05:23] <cellofellow> can someome help me make a router? I need someone to bounce ideas off of mostly.
[05:30] <atarinox> is there anything i can do when xubuntu freezes besides a hard reboot? seems like it's been hanging a lot lately, and i hate to keep shutting down like that...
[05:31] <TheSheep> atarinox: when you say "xubuntu freezes", what do you exactly mean?
[05:32] <TheSheep> atarinox: if it's kernel panic, then yes, you can only reboot
[05:32] <TheSheep> atarinox: if it's some application getting unresponsive, then you can usually kill that application
[05:33] <TheSheep> atarinox: same if it's some application hogging all the memory or cpu
[05:33] <atarinox> well ill be using swiftfox or another app and suddenly my mouse cursor stops and i can't use keyboard or mouse
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: are the leds on the keyboard lit?
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: do they change when you press numlock or capslock?
[05:34] <atarinox> also happens quite a bit after my screensaver comes on...i won't be able to log back in
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: is switching to a virtual console with alt+f1 possible
[05:35] <TheSheep> atarinox: anything interesting in logs after such a "freeze"?
[05:35] <atarinox> how would I check the logs?
[05:35] <atarinox> and not sure about the keyboard leds or virtual console...i'll have to wait til it hangs again, which prob won't be more than a few hours
[05:35] <cellofellow> sounds like it may be X freezing.
[05:36] <TheSheep> atarinox: you can find the logs in /var/log/
[05:37] <atarinox> yeah...i'm not sure what i should even begin to look for
[05:38] <atarinox> what would cause X to freeze?
[05:51] <TheSheep> atarinox: usually a bug in the graphics drivers
[06:05] <atarinox> TheSheep: sorry, but how do i find which driver i'm running for my card?
[06:05] <TheSheep> atarinox: check you xorg.conf
[06:06] <TheSheep> atarinox: look for the "Device" section
[06:06] <TheSheep> atarinox: and the "Driver" option
[06:25] <atarinox> TheSheep: ok, ive got a savage driver...next time my system freezes, is there a specific log file I should post in the forums which'd help? the xorg.0.log maybe?
[07:12] <cheeseboy> hi
[07:13] <cheeseboy> what package is update-grub under ?
[07:25] <gabkdlly> cheeseboy: grub
[07:26] <gabkdlly> according to dpkg -L grub
[07:26] <cheeseboy> gabkdlly: if i install ubuntu version of grub on another distro i will be able to use update-grub?
[07:29] <gabkdlly> cheeseboy: don't know, sorry
[08:08] <triptec> how do I turn off automatic logout after x minutes?
[08:17] <cheeseboy> how do i rescan usb devices>?
[08:19] <Filthpig> Hi, I have both xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed, but it's quite annoying that they interfere with each other. I.e. I have avant installed for use in gnome, but it also shows up in xfce, which is not desirable. Beryl/Compiz also uses the same theme for the xfce session as the gnome session.. Can I fix this, so gnome and xfce work indepentently?
[08:37] <hellekin> how to avoid automounting a specific partition ?
[08:40] <PriceChild> hellekin, remove it from your /etc/fstab
[08:50] <Ramla> hellekin: add option noauto to not mount it at boot. however filemanagers will probably try to mount it
[09:05] <Filthpig> how can I make avant start in gnome but not xfce?
[09:34] <hyper__ch> test failed
[09:41] <hellekin> PriceChild, Ramla: this is an encrypted partition used as a user's home. Whenever the user logs in from SSH, the partition pops up on the local user's desktop and that sucks :)
[09:44] <Ramla> okay.. don't know what to say to that :p
[09:46] <hellekin> in fact, it's not in /etc/fstab at all. It's (u)mounted by a script.
[09:50] <atarinox> do i have to remount my network folder to refresh it?
[09:53] <hellekin> hmmmm... Is it normal that each gnome applet is taking more than 30 MB in RAM ? I thought those were *small* applications!
[09:54] <hellekin> deskbar-applet takes even more memory than firefox!
[09:55] <TheSheep> hellekin: they share that memory
[09:56] <TheSheep> hellekin: at least part of it
[09:57] <hellekin> TheSheep: if I have three users, do they share memory between users too or each have its own memory sink ? :)
[09:58] <hellekin> without the shared memory it looks like each is taking about 4MB.
[09:58] <hellekin> I'm so used to using small memory footprint apps, it's a little scary :)
[09:58] <TheSheep> hellekin: since X is started as root, at least part of the memory is shared
[09:58] <TheSheep> hellekin: but most of the userspace libs are not, unfortunately
[09:59] <TheSheep> hellekin: python is garbage-collected language, it still takes less memory than java ;)
[09:59] <hellekin> Java... Let's keep that an island :)
[10:00] <TheSheep> hellekin: desklets and many panel plugins are written in python
[10:00] <TheSheep> hellekin: that's not nat lightweight, but allows for fast development
[10:00] <hellekin> TheSheep: do you happen to know which one is popping up the mounted partitions?
[10:01] <TheSheep> hellekin: that'd be the places plugin
[10:01] <hellekin> TheSheep: Ruby would be greedier than python wouldn't it?
[10:01] <hellekin> TheSheep: thanks, I'm going to see how I can make it ignore my encrypted partition
[10:02] <TheSheep> hellekin: I think that ruby doesn't merge with C libraries so nicely, but I never really used it much
[10:02] <TheSheep> hellekin: if you can't report a bug, the developer is very open to feedback
[10:04] <hellekin> TheSheep: is it a bug? I'm not sure. But surely there must or should be a way to set some "ignorable" partitions
[10:04] <TheSheep> hellekin: make it a feature request :)
[10:04] <hellekin> TheSheep: now that's a bug ;o)
[10:05] <hellekin> argh... I'm importing a 14 pages PDF (converted to PS) into scribus... If the PC had a tongue and feet, it would walk on its tongue.
[10:07] <TheSheep> hellekin: converting pdf to ps is usually a bad idea
[10:08] <TheSheep> hellekin: they used to organize races of hdds in MIT :)
[10:09] <hellekin> arf... All I need to do actually is convert the paper size from US Letter to A4 so I can print on 2 pages / sheet
[10:09] <hellekin> I guess I didn't find the lightest solution :p
[10:10] <TheSheep> hellekin: you can edit the ps file by hand for that
[10:10] <hellekin> TheSheep: that sounds a much better idea
[10:10] <TheSheep> hellekin: unfortunately I don't know all the codes
[10:16] <c00i90wn> Hi, I just installed xubunut on my ubuntu gutsy with xubuntu-desktop package but I can't get compiz to work
[10:16] <c00i90wn> I tried compiz --replace &! and it didn't work
[10:17] <triptec> is it just me or is the sound quality better in windows?
[10:22] <c00i90wn> oh apparently compiz _is_ running I just don't have window decorations
[12:20] <gerro> hey everyone
[12:28] <gerro> anyone here use xubuntu with linuxbios?
[12:28] <gerro> I'd like to try that out but have a few questions
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[12:30] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> If they're linuxbios-specific, they have their own support channel.
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> (Which is, incidentally, #openbios.)
[12:40] <mikubuntu> i just downloaded google earth for linux, it's a bin file, have it on my desktop.  how do i install it?
[12:41] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: ./<path_to_the_bin>
[12:42] <gerro> open up terminal then cd to where its at and chmod +x the file then do what he said ^
[12:42] <gerro> except its probably better to be in exact directory and do ./justthefilenothepath
[12:42] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: but there is a better way, google now has ubuntu repositories
[12:43] <gerro> oooh that sounds nice
[12:43] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html
[12:43] <c00i90wn> gerro: ^^
[12:44] <gerro> now to figure out how to uninstall my old google earth
[12:45] <c00i90wn> gerro: rm -rf ~/bin or something like that
[12:47] <gerro> yeah I know
[12:47] <gerro> but just wish was easier way
[12:47] <gerro> I hope they fixed a few glitches in google earth, kept whining about fonts and graphics card etc before
[12:48] <gerro> c00i90wn: you try nasa world wind or whatever that project is called? does it have linux client?
[12:49] <c00i90wn> gerro: I only tried it on my win32 days, never liked it too much
[12:50] <gerro> yeah that's what I thought
[12:50] <gerro> and I mean they use same data don't they?
[12:51] <c00i90wn> gerro: don't think so...