[01:14] <Stormx2> This has happened with a few packages
[01:16] <ironmatar> i wanted to ask is there some paticular order to installing the os that it prefers?
[01:20] <sam1337> installing what os?
[01:21] <sam1337> which os's?
[01:23] <ironmatar> ubuntu fiesty  either 32 or 64 bit
[01:23] <ironmatar> or gutsy
[01:23] <sam1337> any order will do fine
[01:24] <ironmatar> how wbaout a hardware  checking utility
[01:24] <ironmatar> er about
[01:24] <aguitel> how upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[01:25] <sam1337> update manager -d
[01:25] <sam1337> as root
[01:27] <sam1337> ironmatar i'd install the least stable one first and then the stable one because then you'd be using a stable version of grub
[01:28] <SeveredCross> Uh...
[01:28] <SeveredCross> Grub hardly ever changes.
[01:28] <SeveredCross> Gutsy's grub is perfectly stable.
[01:29] <sam1337> anybody know of some good 3d games in the ubuntu repos?
[01:29] <snadge> planetpenguin-racer
[01:29] <ironmatar> part of the time i cannot believe im doing this because all i really want to do is run a game so i can have my entertainment back
[01:29] <pwnguin> people swear by bzflag
[01:29] <pwnguin> but i like crack-attack
[01:29] <aguitel> sam1337 ,sudo update manager -d ?
[01:30] <snadge> ppracer rocks your jocks! :P
[01:30] <sam1337> aguitel something like that
[01:30] <sam1337> yeah i love ppracer
[01:30] <sam1337> not tried crack-attack yet
[01:30] <pwnguin> there's also fretsonfire
[01:30] <terlmann> so... next month on the 4rth right ?
[01:30] <aguitel> i heard  apt-get distr-upgrade
[01:30] <terlmann> er
[01:31] <efface> ooo think i found my problem just dont know how to fix it lol
[01:31] <terlmann> or this one on the tenth ?
[01:31] <sam1337> aguitel that should do aswell but you might miss out on a step or two
[01:31] <terlmann> lets see.... 7.10 was feisty right ?
[01:31] <sam1337> 7.10 is gutsy
[01:31] <terlmann> ok then
[01:32] <terlmann> this month on the tenth ?
[01:32] <terlmann> or the tenth month on the seventh ?
[01:32] <sam1337> both is my guess
[01:33] <pwnguin> armegetron
[01:33] <terlmann> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Gutsy/Wallpaper
[01:33] <terlmann> I nominated this for the release...
[01:33] <ironmatar> is there any kind of hardware checking software i can run to check for basic hardware broken issues?
[01:34] <terlmann> ironmator
[01:34] <terlmann> you could check the logs
[01:34] <ironmatar> what logs and how do i get at them
[01:35] <sam1337> nice wallpaper
[01:35] <sam1337> armegetron is not in the repos
[01:36] <sam1337> with wine, cedega and some good linux games i think linux is now a viable gaming os
[01:36] <snadge> ironmatar: memtest which is on the grub menu
[01:36] <sam1337> what does memtest do?
[01:36] <snadge> funnily enough, it tests your memory
[01:36] <snadge> :P
[01:36] <terlmann> is cedega free ?
[01:36] <sam1337> my ram you mean?
[01:36] <ironmatar> snadge:  i ran it  i dont remember thing bad coming of it
[01:36] <snadge> and if theres any errors etc it will inform you and flash red
[01:36] <sam1337> cedega is free for me
[01:37] <ironmatar> no cedega is not free
[01:37] <sam1337> you can get it for free off cvs or something
[01:37] <terlmann> hmm
[01:37] <terlmann> ok
[01:37] <sam1337> or theres allways bittorrent
[01:37] <terlmann> is it recent ?
[01:37] <terlmann> the cvs version ?
[01:37] <snadge> i torrented cedega off tuxwarez ;)
[01:37] <sam1337> not sure
[01:37] <sam1337> tuxwarez?!??!?!?
[01:38] <snadge> haha yeah.. has pirated linux software on it
[01:38] <sam1337> im so there
[01:38] <snadge> im not sure if it exists anymore though
[01:38] <snadge> i tried to find it again the other day
[01:38] <sam1337> im on it now
[01:39] <sam1337> it has nothing good on it though
[01:39] <terlmann> aah , the old pirate bay has tons of good things
[01:39] <sam1337> yep so does isohunt
[01:39] <snadge> yeah one of the other torrent sites is bound to have it
[01:39] <terlmann> the only problem is when you want something like software, its months old'
[01:40] <snadge> i found a pretty new ver of cedega from memory.. and a .deb package at that
[01:40] <sam1337> i use pirate bay. i dont download anything off bittorrent without reading comments
[01:40] <snadge> and the engine you need to install it
[01:40] <sam1337> i have the latest cedega engine works great
[01:40] <Amaranth> Discussion of illegal activities is not allowed here
[01:41] <snadge> true.. its a tad shady and off topic
[01:41] <ironmatar> busted! heh
[01:41] <terlmann> Amarath ... most alpha users are off the edge anyway
[01:42] <sam1337> youd have to be off the edge to run gutsy
[01:42] <terlmann> we do tons of things you wouldnt find legal or,,,, wait for it.... SANE
[01:42] <sam1337> its rigged to bits with bugs atm
[01:42] <terlmann> not for me
[01:42] <snadge> cedega should be free software anyway.. its based on free software.. okay, its not GPLed.. but theres a good reason why wine should be GPL ;)
[01:42] <Amaranth> :)
[01:42] <terlmann> but then again I am using x86
[01:42] <terlmann> so my gutsy is more stable
[01:42] <Amaranth> snadge: Cedega is a fork from back when WINE was MIT/X11 licensed
[01:42] <sam1337> im using x86 too and ive encountered a fair few bugs now
[01:43] <terlmann> but then again , I have installed half the packages in universe and a few more
[01:43] <Amaranth> snadge: and a significant part of it is still available from transgaming's cvs server
[01:43] <sam1337> ive installed just the barebones and a few games
[01:43] <snadge> the last time i tried to get cedega to build from cvs
[01:43] <Amaranth> well they aren't going to make it easy :)
[01:43] <snadge> i came to the conclusion that the cvs is there primarily as a joke
[01:43] <terlmann> I have enlighenment , kde, kde4 , fvwm , fluxbox and gnome running on here.
[01:44] <terlmann> over 3000 packages
[01:44] <sam1337> i have kdebase
[01:44] <sam1337> 1105 here
[01:44] <snadge> you cant just give code away that doesnt build.. that doesnt seem right to me
[01:45] <ironmatar> and just taking somones software is?
[01:45] <terlmann> well I guess it builds ... if they mean that one line does
[01:45] <aguitel> sam1337 ,if upgrade to gutsy ,can i roll back to feisty?
[01:46] <sam1337> aguitel no
[01:46] <aguitel> mesmo?
[01:46] <snadge> half my problem with proprietry software.. is they expect you to fully pay for it, before you even know if you want it or not
[01:46] <snadge> and generally, not wanting the software, or deciding it is crap.. isn't good enough reason for a full refund
[01:46] <sam1337> snadge yeah that sucks when it comes to games
[01:47] <snadge> so my attitude is.. stuff them, if they want my money.. i'll pay them if i think that its worthy of my money, otherwise i'll delete the software and pretend it never existed ;)
[01:47] <sam1337> snadge thats the way to go
[01:47] <sam1337> brb crashing my unstable gutsy install
[01:48] <snadge> the other problem is.. you get used to all this high quality software, that comes with source, and is free
[01:49] <snadge> then theres people out there who expect you to pay for shoddy half assed programs, that you cant modify and are buggy
[01:51] <ironmatar> all i want to do is run eve  and iv read and been told ubuntu/cedega works flawlesly  with eve  but so far after 3 weeks i have zip for a stable os and burning up my paid cedega sub time   and nothing iv done or instructions iv followed   have helped aparently  now people have suggeted its my hardware for some blasted reason and at the same time suggest installing Gutsy...im beginning to wonder if this all just a joke or som
[01:51] <Stormx2> Having issues with using ndiswrapper; for some reason the modprobe fails to pick up on ndiswrapper. Check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541384 for more info! Thanks in advance.
[01:51] <terlmann> Ironmater . software is a form of expression , like painting or writing. all it is is recorded instructions for a complicated calculator. WHY do artists CHARGE for their work ? I donate to any good oss project. It's about principle , as artistic expression is a higher path than just working and is rewarded as are preachers or goverment officials. BUT what right does anyone have to make a piece of crap, make me pay money for it , and prevents any
[01:51] <terlmann> competition from rising by blasting everyone else through blackmail and uses PR to polish over the crap THEY made ?
[01:51] <snadge> ironmatar: having an ATI video card makes using cedega practically impossible for anything more sophisticaed than solitaire
[01:52] <terlmann> I have ati , ahem
[01:52] <terlmann> aiglx and XORG Ati drivers do exist
[01:53] <snadge> a lot of the games just say outright.. unplayable with ati.. or a list of bugs that are ati specific
[01:53] <ironmatar> its not a ati card gigbyte 8500 gt fanless 512 mb cache
[01:53] <terlmann> an experimental r_300 series is coming out
[01:53] <terlmann> look up xorg r_300
[01:53] <hydrogen> its been coming out for a few years..
[01:53] <terlmann> so ?
[01:53] <hydrogen> so don't hold your breath :)
[01:53] <terlmann> Xorg is a freaking ent.
[01:53] <hydrogen> and if you want good 3d accelleration with an ati card you are best off using windows.
[01:53] <terlmann> they have been coming out for 20 years/
[01:54] <terlmann> hydrogen
[01:54] <terlmann> F you.
[01:54] <snadge> ironmatar: i had good success with cedega 6.something .. was able to run c&c generals
[01:54] <hydrogen> terlmann: i'll pass
[01:55] <terlmann> get off the linux channel if your going to recommend WINDOWS. Windows is like recommending saints to sin.
[01:55] <hydrogen> I became a nvidia fan they day I switched to linux for good.
[01:55] <hydrogen> no, its being practical
[01:55] <hydrogen> if you need good 3d accelleration, and you have an ati card
[01:55] <hydrogen> you are not going to get it using linux
[01:55] <hydrogen> its that simple
[01:55] <terlmann> We are holy linux users whether we use ati intel or nvidia
[01:55] <terlmann> and thank you , my 9250 works just fine
[01:55] <hydrogen> be as holy as you want
[01:56] <hydrogen> and just don't try running any demanding opengl games
[01:56] <hydrogen> how many fps does glxgears give you? 25?
[01:56] <terlmann> good with sauerbraten , oblivion and WoW.
[01:56] <terlmann> actually over 5000.
[01:56] <hydrogen> 61888 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12377.431 FPS
[01:56] <terlmann> obviously youve never heard of Aiglx.
[01:57] <hydrogen> oh, I have
[01:57] <hydrogen> and I tried it
[01:57] <terlmann> 20580 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4115.929 FPS
[01:57] <hydrogen> mhmm
[01:58] <snadge> i remember when glxgears was modified so that you had to pass a parameter -iunderstandthisisnotabenchmark
[01:58] <snadge> or something
[01:58] <sam1337> i switched to linux completely and removed windows the day i got my nvidia card and tossed my ati card
[01:58] <hydrogen> yea snadge
[01:58] <terlmann> well dont go using sabayon
[01:58] <terlmann> it broke my sweet nvidia
[01:59] <terlmann> fried the firmware
[01:59] <sam1337> how?
[01:59] <hydrogen> mhmm
[01:59] <hydrogen> sabayon isn't a good example of a linux distro
[01:59] <hydrogen> to begin with
[01:59] <hydrogen> :)
[01:59] <sam1337> lol too right
[01:59] <terlmann> I know ?
[01:59] <terlmann> anyone know of a way to rescue my nvidia :-(
[01:59] <terlmann> I never got anyone to help me
[02:00] <terlmann> it was , o 5 months ago
[02:00] <terlmann> I went back to my ati
[02:01] <ironmatar> isent the Firmware burnes into a bios like plug in chip?
[02:01] <terlmann> still
[02:01] <terlmann> ATI has something up the old sleeves
[02:01] <terlmann> something about a tool to realtime convert opengl to direct x
[02:01] <terlmann> and back
[02:01] <terlmann> so they might spring back out
[02:02] <hydrogen> uhh
[02:02] <terlmann> having been purchased by ati , I think, was a good move.
[02:02] <hydrogen> what'd be the point...
[02:02] <terlmann> I mean puchased by amd
[02:02] <terlmann> AMD rules. and that new ssl5 instruction set will rule even more this next year.
[02:03] <terlmann> ITs going to make your Intel core 2 duos look like a peice of crap
[02:03] <sam1337> does ubuntu support sli?
[02:03] <sam1337> yeah but it will cost a billion 
[02:04] <terlmann> sam : sli is meaningless. get a few extra moniters , and make yourself a wall
[02:04] <terlmann> useing multiple x sessions'
[02:04] <terlmann> spread one desktop over all
[02:04] <ironmatar> anything i should know about gutsy installation?
[02:05] <SeveredCross> ssl5?
[02:05] <terlmann> means higher fps and resolution
[02:05] <SeveredCross> WTF is ssl5?
[02:05] <terlmann> yea. ssl5 is a new set
[02:05] <terlmann> I mean sse5
[02:05] <SeveredCross> Uh, dude.
[02:05] <SeveredCross> Nobody's even using SSE3 yet.
[02:05] <SeveredCross> Are you insane?
[02:05] <terlmann> HA
[02:05] <SeveredCross> SSE5 isn't going to do crap.
[02:05] <terlmann> Ive used sse3 for years
[02:05] <hydrogen> err.
[02:05] <SeveredCross> Uh....
[02:05] <hydrogen> yea
[02:05] <SeveredCross> mplayer isn't even using SSE3 yet.
[02:05] <terlmann> so?
[02:05] <SeveredCross> Most video encoders don't use SSE3.
[02:06] <terlmann> nothing has to use them
[02:06] <SeveredCross> Next to nothing is optimized for SSE3.
[02:06] <SeveredCross> Most things aren't optimized for even multithreading with dual core CPU's.
[02:06] <SeveredCross> What?/
[02:06] <SeveredCross> Are you insane?
[02:06] <terlmann> just hold on
[02:06] <Skrot-> lol.. yeah, just having it say "SSE 3" on the box tends to speed things up automagically ;)
[02:06] <sam1337> dual core is for dual suckers
[02:06] <SeveredCross> sam1337: Dual core has benefits in video encoding and things like that.
[02:07] <SeveredCross> You can't even try and argue with me about that one.
[02:07] <hydrogen> and sse5 will make thigns go almost as fast as -ffast-math!
[02:07] <terlmann> http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=181750
[02:07] <hydrogen> so what
[02:07] <hydrogen> it doesn't mean a thing
[02:07] <hydrogen> if apps don't use them
[02:07] <terlmann> http://developer.amd.com/sse5.jsp
[02:07] <hydrogen> whcih they won't
[02:07] <SeveredCross> Yeah they announced it.
[02:07] <SeveredCross> That doesn't mean CRAP.
[02:07] <hydrogen> for a long time
[02:07] <SeveredCross> Apps have to utilize it.
[02:08] <SeveredCross> SSE3 has been around for a year if not more.
[02:08] <SeveredCross> And hardly anyone's using it.
[02:08] <terlmann> #
[02:08] <terlmann> Fused multiply accumulate (FMACxx) instructions
[02:08] <terlmann> #
[02:08] <SeveredCross> Apps have to be written to take advantage of SSE anything, compilers don't just automagically transform things to use the latest SSE incarnation.
[02:08] <terlmann> yea
[02:08] <terlmann> basically
[02:09] <terlmann> but it still means faster proccesing
[02:09] <hydrogen> no
[02:09] <SeveredCross> Not really.
[02:09] <hydrogen> it means /nothing/
[02:09] <SeveredCross> Not at all.
[02:09] <hydrogen> until apps use it
[02:09] <SeveredCross> SSE5 means squat crap.
[02:09] <hydrogen> so in other words
[02:09] <terlmann> you wish
[02:09] <hydrogen> all it means is a bigger price tag
[02:09] <hydrogen> but hey
[02:09] <SeveredCross> And terlmann, don't you think Intel will come up with something of their own by then?
[02:10] <terlmann> nope.
[02:10] <hydrogen> go install sabayon and fry your firmware on your motherboard so you can go fomg-fast with sse5
[02:10] <terlmann> hydrogen
[02:10] <ironmatar> wonders if their done yet    and anything special i need to be aware of with gutsy insall
[02:10] <terlmann> I hate sabayon
[02:10] <terlmann> I love ubuntu
[02:10] <SeveredCross> terlmann, are you insane or just a huge fanboy?
[02:10] <terlmann> um severed, I am a AMD fanboy, yes
[02:11] <terlmann> I despise intel for the many years they released CPU's with wimpy L2 cache's and amd took a stand.
[02:12] <hydrogen> ironmatar: I didn't run into any major problems
[02:12] <hydrogen> automounting seems to be a bit off still
[02:12] <hydrogen> and by any major I mean any problems at all
[02:13] <terlmann> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3073&p=2
[02:13] <terlmann> here
[02:13] <terlmann> this will show you
[02:13] <terlmann> the importance.
[02:13] <ironmatar> huh  alrighty  becus i dont know what else to do now  except try gutsy    is the Iso bigger than a cd now?
[02:13] <hydrogen> no
[02:14] <SeveredCross> Dude.
[02:14] <SeveredCross> You don't understand.
[02:14] <SeveredCross> First of all, SSE5 is going to be tuned to specialized data processing.
[02:14] <SeveredCross> As the article mentions, it implements features found for a long time in DSP's--digital signal processors.
[02:14] <TerraMaster> MY flash is not producing any sound, any help?
[02:14] <SeveredCross> And for the last time, applicatoins have to be written to take advantage of SSE5.
[02:14] <SeveredCross> Do you think gcc/g++ are going to emit FMAC instructions?
[02:14] <terlmann> half the instructions means 200% faster applictations.
[02:15] <SeveredCross> You're obviously not reading a word we say.
[02:15] <hydrogen> SeveredCross: just move on
[02:15] <terlmann> did you read the specs ?
[02:15] <hydrogen> SeveredCross: some causes are just lost
[02:15] <terlmann> have you even looked at some sse5 documentation ?
[02:15] <hydrogen> SeveredCross: +1 for amd's marketing I guess
[02:15] <TerraMaster>  My flash (movie whatever im playing)  is not producing any sound, any help?
[02:15] <SeveredCross> hydrogen: Good point. I just can't help myself sometimes.
[02:15] <terlmann> NO marketing whatsoever. I just see quality.
[02:16] <hydrogen> of course terlmann
[02:16] <hydrogen> what else would you see
[02:16] <terlmann> what do you see ?
[02:17] <Skrot-> terlmann: The point is, buying a AMD CPU because it has a SSE5 instruction set doesn't make sense before applications make use of them.. which will take a long time.
[02:18] <terlmann> optimize code. those are the key words. the GCC compiler will be able to optimize code for the new sets.
[02:18] <terlmann> I am not planning to buy anything till there is some support.
[02:18] <terlmann> I don't have the money ;-D
[02:19] <Skrot-> And saying that SSE 5 will make intel cpu's look like crap is down right stupid..
[02:20] <ironmatar> what link do i use to find the gutsy iso
[02:20] <terlmann> I think intel is crap , through and through. those stupid ads recently showing those WEIRD people . the long line of rip-off pentiums.
[02:21] <terlmann> AMD is the real deal. you buy Intel, you buy Microsoft. I dont buy microsoft.
[02:21] <Skrot-> lol
[02:22] <ironmatar> terlmann:  i have a acronym for you: stfu as i believe we ahve heard enough out of you
[02:23] <sid> My desktop gnome is fucked, but my laptop is fine. and they both have the latest gutsy.
[02:23] <sid> my laptop I formatted with gutsy a few weeks ago, my Desktop I've had gutsy a lot longer, and I upgraded from feisty
[02:23] <sid> How can I reset my Desktop gnome environment?
[02:24] <sid> I deleted .gnome*, .gconf etc, but it only helped a little. I still don't have minimize/max/x, or other stuff. backspace doesn't work right, etc
[02:24] <jrib> sid: see if it goes away with a new user
[02:28] <ironmatar> im running a fiesty live cd atm just so i can troubleshoot this system  id like to install gutsy clean and not upgrade how do i do that
[02:29] <sid> jrib: no, a new user doesn't matter
[02:29] <jrib> sid: well at least now you know it's not a config issue
[02:29] <jrib> sid: are you using compiz?
[02:30] <lamalex> just reinstall gnome
[02:30] <jrib> ironmatar: grab an iso from ubuntu.com/testing, pop it in the drive, and reboot
[02:31] <ironmatar> its kind of hard to burn a iso image while running on a live cd
[02:31] <lamalex> no you can pop out a livecd
[02:32] <lamalex> there might be a boot time flag to load the whole cd into memory
[02:32] <lamalex> how much ram do you have?
[02:32] <jrib> well not sure about that, but you could install feisty and then use it to burn the cd if you have no other os
[02:32] <ironmatar> How then would be the questin becuase eject cd dose not work
[02:33] <ironmatar> 2 gb active mem
[02:34] <hydrogen> the usual option is docache
[02:34] <hydrogen> I think
[02:37] <ironmatar> some reason i shouldent use the 64 bit that is For my 64 bit athelon system?
[02:37] <hydrogen> its usually not worth it
[02:38] <hydrogen> there are still a number of 32bit-only binary apps
[02:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone running device-mapper with 64-bit Tribe-5 ?
[02:39] <ironmatar> a lot of people say not worth it my concern is the archatecture matching the hardware...for stability reasns
[02:40] <hydrogen> no
[02:40] <hydrogen> 64bit hardware can run in 32bit without problems
[02:41] <sam1337> can i turn 32bit ubuntu into 64bit ubuntu without reinstalling?
[02:42] <hydrogen> no
[02:43] <Daviey> Hi, is there a known issue with restricted-drivers & nvidia atm?
[02:44] <sam1337> i dont think so
[02:44] <sam1337> mine work fine
[02:44] <Daviey> sam1337: did it grab an update?
[02:45] <sam1337> but dont work well with compiz fusion and opengl apps
[02:45] <sam1337> Daviey did what grab an update?
[02:45] <Daviey> sam1337: restricted-drivers app
[02:46] <sam1337> i only just installed my nvidia driver today
[02:46] <Daviey> oh
[02:46] <Daviey> thanks
[02:51] <sid> jrib: no compiz
[02:51] <sid> jrib: although when I make a new user, compiz is on by default
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 is looking good here.
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Compiling programs appears to be about 40% faster
[02:58] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just patched gnome-mount-0.6 to auto-mount encrypted file-systems that don't use passwords, only key-files, and that works great
[03:06] <hydrogen> I highly doubt that things compile 40% faster across the board but :)
[03:08] <sam1337> lol 40% faster? I dont think so
[03:09] <sam1337> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325 this bug is the thing which is annoying me most about gutsy atm and i hope it gets fixed soon.
[03:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:10] <sam1337> anybody know of a fix?
[03:18] <terlmann> yea
[03:18] <terlmann> beryl
[03:18] <terlmann> hold one
[03:19] <sam1337> im holding on
[03:19] <terlmann> compiz fusion is beryl, shure
[03:19] <sam1337> compiz fusion is compiz and beryl merged
[03:19] <terlmann> not by my standards
[03:19] <terlmann> not YET
[03:20] <sam1337> more compiz than beryl in my opinion
[03:20] <Dougie> compiz fusion is compiz with some of the beryl plugins
[03:20] <Dougie> but certainly not enough :)
[03:20] <Dougie> well enough for me but not enough to say its the same as beryl
[03:20] <sam1337> i think it has more plugins
[03:21] <Dougie> but not all the beryl plugins i don't believe
[03:22] <crdlb> example?
[03:22] <sam1337> yeah but it has more plugins that beryl dosent have plus compiz fusion is faster and more stable imo
[03:22] <Dougie> yeah it is
[03:23] <terlmann> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ feisty eyecandy   and same as that with eyecandy replaced with 3v1n0
[03:23] <sam1337> shame about bug 130325 otherwise i'd use it
[03:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[03:23] <terlmann> not certain if it could just be "feisty eyecandy 3v.....
[03:23] <terlmann> never tried it
[03:24] <Dougie> hmm.... haven't had compiz fusion crash during any 3dapps
[03:24] <Dougie> of course i'm using binary drivers
[03:24] <Dougie> probably why
[03:24] <crdlb> the bug is *only in* binary drivers
[03:24] <sam1337> im using latest in Ubuntu repo
[03:24] <crdlb> specifically nvidia-glx-new
[03:24] <sam1337> thats the one
[03:24] <Dougie> ah....well I'm using binary drivers from envy
[03:24] <crdlb> well that's the same driver
[03:25] <Dougie> hm... wonder why it doesn't make me crash
[03:25] <crdlb> what nvidia card is it?
[03:25] <Dougie> 8500gt
[03:25] <sam1337> 7600GS i have
[03:25] <sam1337> maybe thats why?
[03:26] <sam1337> my next pc will have 2gb graphics memory :D
[03:27] <Dougie> 2gb's of video memmory.........exactly what card are you going to use?
[03:27] <sam1337> 2 8600gt
[03:27] <sam1337> will cost only 220
[03:27] <Dougie> ...and they have 1 gig on each card?
[03:28] <sam1337> yes
[03:28] <Dougie> does linux support SLI yet?
[03:28] <sam1337> and a 600mhz gpu
[03:28] <sam1337> i hope so
[03:28] <sam1337> thats what ive been trying to find out for a while
[03:28] <Dougie> i know a couple months ago it wasn't supported
[03:29] <terlmann> google is your pal ;-)
[03:29] <sam1337> linus will probably get it implemented into the kernel soon enough
[03:29] <Dougie> i don't care about it enough to look it up lol
[03:29] <terlmann> linus just does the watching now
[03:30] <Dougie> SLI is useless in my opinion there really isn't much that needs more then a single card can offer
[03:30] <terlmann> he has some other coders taking over most of the work
[03:30] <terlmann> SLI is worthless
[03:30] <sam1337> bill gates did that but on a massive scale
[03:30] <terlmann> do the opposite of sli
[03:30] <terlmann> run a x session on each moniter
[03:30] <SpudDogg> SLI is cool if you want to blow money about are benchmark numbers
[03:30] <SpudDogg> SLI is cool if you want to blow money on benchmark numbers
[03:31] <Dougie> yep
[03:31] <sam1337> thats what i want to do
[03:31] <Dougie> how do you run multiple x sessions with 2 video cards?
[03:31] <terlmann> then run a seperate session and direct all 6 "sessions" to display the one session
[03:31] <terlmann> 10x res and 10x speed
[03:31] <terlmann> because each card takes less textures
[03:32] <terlmann> and overall quality is improved with greater resolution
[03:32] <Dougie> ....but a monitor isn't going to take 10 times the resolution
[03:32] <terlmann> I dint say to do that
[03:32] <terlmann> set up 10 x sessions
[03:32] <Dougie> ...ok?
[03:32] <terlmann> #10 is a real one
[03:32] <sam1337> im confused
[03:33] <terlmann> the other nine display PART of it
[03:33] <Dougie> ah
[03:33] <RAOF> That's because he's confusing :)
[03:33] <Dougie> sounds like a lot of work...lol
[03:33] <sam1337> ill do it when canocal makes a 1 click gui for it
[03:33] <terlmann> HA
[03:33] <terlmann> I have read some guides that show me how
[03:34] <terlmann> you got $5000 for me to make one for you ?
[03:34] <Dougie> would be nice if i could use 1 of my processing cores with each card to run like 2 seperate computers via xsessions
[03:34] <RAOF> terlmann: That's a pretty cheap video-wall :P
[03:34] <terlmann> how about $50,000 :-D
[03:34] <terlmann> but yea
[03:34] <terlmann> I can do it for 5000
[03:34] <terlmann> the other 45000 is for me ;D
[03:34] <Dougie> lol
[03:35] <terlmann> RAOF : this one would only be about 10 feet by 10
[03:35] <efface> is gutsy not compatable with compiz at the moment? trying to install emerald for it and apt-get says i cant get it because it has unmet depends
[03:35] <terlmann> make it 3:4 , id be 9 feet high and 12 wide
[03:35] <RAOF> efface: You still have trevino's tuxfamily repo in your sources.list.  Remove ity
[03:35] <RAOF> terlmann: Na; widescreen 16:10
[03:36] <terlmann> RAOF
[03:36] <Dougie> 16:10 pisses me off......
[03:36] <terlmann> I like square
[03:36] <RAOF> Soft!
[03:36] <terlmann> widescreen messes up all of my pics
[03:36] <terlmann> I dont like black around the edges
[03:36] <Dougie> standard HD and what not is 16:9
[03:36] <terlmann> so I like to stretch all my pics
[03:36] <Dougie> why would they make a computer LCD 16:10?
[03:36] <terlmann> I don't watch hd. LOL
[03:37] <Dougie> just doesn't make much sense
[03:37] <Dougie> and i love my widescreen LCD btw :)
[03:37] <terlmann> yea ? is it 1080 I or P ?
[03:37] <Dougie> 1680x1050
[03:37] <terlmann> so ?
[03:38] <terlmann> thats more size, not higher clarity
[03:38] <terlmann> I can give you a 100000000000000000000000x 1000000000000000000. res
[03:38] <Dougie> looks darn good to me with HD-DVD's lol
[03:38] <terlmann> simple
[03:39] <Dougie> but my sony XBR4 46" LCD T.V is 1080p and looks 1000 times better then this lcd
[03:39] <terlmann> I just put 100000000000 pixels at a certain spacing. you'd never see the fuzzy.
[03:39] <terlmann> can you see the fuzzy ?
[03:39] <Dougie> no
[03:39] <efface> RAOF: thx that did the trick but now im getting an error where it says it  Can't load plugin 'ccp' because it is built for ABI version 20070826 and actual version is 20070828
[03:39] <terlmann> try disableing subpixel hinting , EHEEHEHEHE
[03:39] <terlmann> CRT RULES
[03:40] <Dougie> crt's are fuzzy lol
[03:40] <Dougie> and really bad on the eyes
[03:40] <RAOF> efface: You've broken your compiz by having trevino's *feisty* repositories in there.
[03:40] <efface> that bastard!
[03:40] <terlmann> crt's have exellent luminosity.
[03:40] <RAOF> efface: Remove everything compiz related, remove the tuxfamily repos, then reinstall compiz :)
[03:40] <terlmann> I use trevino daily.
[03:40] <terlmann> you just havent enabled BOTH repos
[03:41] <terlmann> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ feisty 3v1n0 eyecandy
[03:41] <efface> RAOF: so uhm......apt-get remove compiz*
[03:41] <terlmann> right ?
[03:41] <efface> ?
[03:41] <efface> AmyRose: how are U doing
[03:41] <terlmann> or have you just put eyecandy in there ?
[03:41] <RAOF> efface: To do that, you want to "sudo aptitude purge ~ncompiz ~nlibdecoration", remove the repo, then "sudo aptitude install desktop-effects compiz"
[03:41] <terlmann> you need 3v1n0
[03:41] <RAOF> terlmann: Please, please don't.
[03:42] <terlmann> deb http://edevelop.org/pkg-e/ubuntu/ feisty e17    << add this in and you'll have WORKING e17 ;-D
[03:42] <efface> RAOF: so is this a common issue people are aving?
[03:42] <RAOF> terlmann: Not only is it broken (ask a question in #compiz-fusion and one of the first replies will be "stop using trevino's repo")
[03:42] <efface> lol
[03:43] <efface> wonder why trev doesnt take it down
[03:43] <terlmann> I SAID DO NOT USE FUSION
[03:43] <terlmann> the fusion is UNSTABLE
[03:43] <terlmann> not just cvs, UNstable
[03:43] <terlmann> in trevinos terms'
[03:43] <RAOF> terlmann: It is if you're using crazy whack repositories.
[03:43] <terlmann> that means it doesnt just not work
[03:43] <snadge> doot de doo. looks like i could be switching roles from web developer (php/mysql) to linux/solaris system administration :D :D :D
[03:43] <terlmann> IT DOESNT WORK
[03:43] <RAOF> terlmann: Use gutsy's fusion.  Installed by default, works.
[03:43] <terlmann> use beryl , please.
[03:43] <terlmann> my default fusion did NOT work
[03:44] <RAOF> terlmann: The solution?  _file a bug_.  Please!
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> Amarnath's Feisty Compiz repo in launchpad works well; Compiz in Gutsy works perfectly (64-bit) so far :)
[03:44] <terlmann> I DONT like compiz or anything that looked like it
[03:44] <RAOF> terlmann: You do know that beryl was compiz + some hacks, right?
[03:44] <terlmann> no , it isnt
[03:45] <Dougie> he said was
[03:45] <terlmann> beryl has had a ton done to it
[03:45] <terlmann> try it
[03:45] <snadge> and fusion now has stuff that beryl doesnt, and beryl is no longer actively maintained.. in other words.. get over it ;)
[03:45] <RAOF> And that all the beryl devs decided that it was too much effort duplicating the work of Compiz, so they submitted some improvements to compiz & ported all the beryl plugins to compiz?
[03:46] <terlmann> HA
[03:46] <terlmann> the beryl project failed because only a few worked on it, and then only for fun.
[03:47] <terlmann> it does have a difference
[03:47] <terlmann> the beryl manager is the greatest diff
[03:47] <terlmann> the manager does so much
[03:47] <efface> i liked the beryl manager more
[03:47] <RAOF> You mean the configuration manager, or the "turn on Beryl" button?
[03:47] <terlmann> and compiz's decorator does NOT stand up to emerald
[03:47] <efface> config manager
[03:47] <Dougie> you can use emerald with compiz
[03:48] <Dougie> quite easy actually
[03:48] <terlmann> SO
[03:48] <terlmann> its not as good
[03:48] <Dougie> so your point is useless
[03:48] <crdlb> lol
[03:48] <AmyRose> !u | efface
[03:48] <ubotu> efface: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[03:48] <efface> how do i make the cube rotate, sitting here looking at the actions section and i see no key
[03:48] <crdlb> how is it not as good?
[03:48] <terlmann> you look at the code. there is a difference.
[03:48] <Dougie> how is it not as good? its the same emerald
[03:48] <efface> AmyRose: ty i need that
[03:48] <efface> AmyRose: u r the best
[03:48] <terlmann> its not the same
[03:49] <terlmann> there is code facilitating the interaction of beryl core components that is not nessesary in fusion
[03:49] <Dougie> ......ok so code is difference....but same plugins and more yet its not better?
[03:49] <IntuitiveNipple> efface: hold down Ctrl+Alt + left or right to rotate
[03:49] <snadge> i think terlmann wants to take over maintaining beryl ;) since.. nobody else gives a hoot
[03:49] <efface> ew lame
[03:49] <terlmann> I will if you make me
[03:50] <efface> did they not adapt the beryl cube?
[03:50] <terlmann> but itll be buggy
[03:50] <Dougie> noone will make you but you could :)
[03:50] <terlmann> AND I'll make you use it
[03:50] <Dougie> of course it will always be buggy
[03:50] <crdlb> efface, what?
[03:50] <terlmann> I will patent the blue screen of death, Linux version
[03:50] <Dougie> efface, you can set it to the middle button but then it disables it from other things
[03:50] <terlmann> I will compile it as a kernel module
[03:51] <crdlb> efface, you're using trevinho's packages on gutsy? XD
[03:51] <terlmann> I use trevino
[03:51] <terlmann> it hasnt broken on me
[03:51] <crdlb> and you complain about compiz fusion not working well?
[03:51] <terlmann> I said trevino
[03:51] <snadge> yeah on bootup it picks a random time period.. and then switches back to console mode and bluescreens.. if anyone can make this module, send me the .diff ;)
[03:51] <terlmann> trev does not just make cvs releases of fusion
[03:52] <terlmann> there are beryl packages in there as well
[03:52] <terlmann> damm good ones
[03:52] <crdlb> cvs releases?
[03:52] <terlmann> yes
[03:52] <terlmann> of beryl
[03:52] <snadge> i think you'd be better off hacking compiz to be more like beryl, than being the lone ranger and trying to maintain it
[03:52] <terlmann> I cant even code
[03:52] <terlmann> LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
[03:53] <terlmann> well
[03:53] <terlmann> a little
[03:53] <snadge> as far as i can tell.. the only difference is the red diamond
[03:53] <terlmann> but nothing worth mentioning
[03:53] <efface> well i was referring more to the having an actual cube that rotates
[03:53] <terlmann> I can red it
[03:53] <Dougie> efface, there's still a cube that rotates
[03:54] <mphill> is the development team am still intent on not including Xorg 7.3?
[03:54] <efface> i press ctrl+alt and down and it just flips sides like a piece of paper
[03:54] <mphill> - am
[03:54] <Dougie> click your left mouse button
[03:54] <Dougie> and drag it
[03:54] <terlmann> how do I copy the version of a package ?
[03:54] <Dougie> ctrl alt + mouse button
[03:54] <efface> ah
[03:54] <efface> someone told me down button :P
[03:55] <Dougie> he said right or left mouse button
[03:55] <Dougie> lol
[03:55] <efface> seems i only have 2 faces on my cube >.<
[03:55] <Dougie> go to the general settings
[03:55] <Dougie> set your desktop to 1 and then vertical to 4
[03:55] <crdlb> no
[03:55] <crdlb> horizontal to 4
[03:55] <Dougie> yeah thats what i meant
[03:55] <Dougie> lol
[03:55] <efface> ty
[03:55] <crdlb> and vertical to 1
[03:55] <Dougie> tired
[03:58] <terlmann> deb http://daniel.holba.ch/art-builder/publish/ ./
[03:58] <terlmann> everyone can add this
[03:58] <terlmann> its harmless
[03:59] <terlmann> its a good theme repo
[03:59] <DanaG> What exactly does AIGLX do?  Will it let you run OpenGL things over SSH?
[03:59] <DanaG> And which end needs the most rendering horsepower: server or client?
[04:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes, it will, although performance may be not awesome :)
[04:00] <mphill> has one one seen a hack to get your fonts to look mac-ish?  One time someone posted packages that got the fonts looking amazing
[04:00] <RAOF> DanaG: And the... client in X terms.
[04:01] <RAOF> mphill: I think you'll find that's: LCD subpixel rendering, no hinting.
[04:01] <RAOF> DanaG: But the computer that your GL app is running on, not the computer that the X server is running on.  I think.
[04:01] <DanaG> I use subpixel, full hinting.
[04:02] <RAOF> Urgh.  Thin, anaemic fonts :P
[04:02] <mphill> I made this entry for 7.04: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_improve_sub-pixel_font_rendering_for_Feisty
[04:02] <RAOF> (This is why there is an option) :)
[04:03] <DanaG> Either way, it's far less bloodshot-eye-inducing than Windows Cleartype.
[04:03] <terlmann> is there a Hardy repo up yet :_D
[04:03] <terlmann> actually
[04:03] <terlmann> there are some ways to improve cleartype
[04:03] <terlmann> I did it for my mom
[04:04] <terlmann> forget what exactly
[04:04] <DanaG> Plus, Windows sucks at DPI scaling.
[04:04] <mphill> turning off hinting did help a lot, thats really interesting
[04:04] <terlmann> FALSE
[04:04] <DanaG> Even changing to something as close as 99 or 100.
[04:04] <terlmann> windows has low-res icons
[04:04] <DanaG> No, I mean it breaks font rendering.
[04:04] <terlmann> get a higher res icon set and better fonts
[04:04] <terlmann> everything looks better
[04:05] <terlmann> Windows fonts have been around since , o, 98
[04:05] <terlmann> LOL
[04:06] <DanaG> I use the DejaVu fonts under Linux.
[04:06] <DanaG> I can read stuff all day in Linux with no major issues.
[04:06] <RAOF> mphill: Unhinted = how the fonts were *designed* to look.  It's also pretty much how Mac render the fonts.
[04:06] <DanaG> However, once I boot Windows, I very soon get bloodshot eyes.
[04:08] <mphill> RAOF, any other tips ?
[04:08] <AmyRose> I'm guessing Gutsy still has bytecode hinting, right?
[04:09] <terlmann> DANAG
[04:09] <Xero> Any Freenode admins here?
[04:09] <terlmann> its the EVIL influence
[04:09] <terlmann> DARTH GATES
[04:09] <Xero> I forgot my Nickserv password.
[04:09] <terlmann> wear glasses
[04:09] <terlmann> Xero
[04:10] <terlmann> Contact Sport-Chick
[04:10] <Xero> Ok.
[04:10] <Toma-> Xero: ever think about joining #freenode maybe?
[04:10] <terlmann> or something like that
[04:10] <terlmann> youll find her in off-topic
[04:10] <DanaG> Oh, what?
[04:10] <DanaG> Sorry, i was busy being annoyed at 'deluge':
[04:10] <DanaG> File priority can only be set when using full allocation.  Please change your preference to disable compact allocation, then remove and readd this torrent.
[04:10] <DanaG> I did, and I still get that message.  What gives?
[04:10] <crdlb> RAOF, err if fonts were designed to be unhinted, why do they include hinting information? (ie BCI)
[04:11] <terlmann> danag, use ktorrent
[04:11] <terlmann> LOL
[04:11] <terlmann> really, az is the best
[04:11] <RAOF> crdlb: To make them less broken when you hint :)
[04:11] <terlmann> but its java based
[04:11] <terlmann> so it crashes a lot I tend to notice
[04:12] <terlmann> DANA
[04:12] <terlmann> dont prioritize files
[04:12] <terlmann> unless you have around 700 people torenting this
[04:12] <terlmann> and you only want part
[04:12] <Xero> KTorrent > all other Linux torrent software
[04:13] <terlmann> no
[04:13] <Dougie> i like ktorrent a lot
[04:13] <terlmann> azeurus really matches up to it
[04:13] <terlmann> they are close
[04:13] <Xero> Azureus and Beryl don't get along, so imo KT is best.
[04:13] <terlmann> ktorrent does plugins
[04:13] <Dougie> Azureous is a memmory leak
[04:14] <terlmann> which is a boost
[04:14] <terlmann> yea
[04:14] <terlmann> thats the  worst about it
[04:14] <terlmann> java
[04:14] <Dougie> ......thats why i won't use it
[04:14] <Dougie> i hate Azureus anyways the whole thing
[04:14] <terlmann> nope
[04:14] <terlmann> all the settings are useful
[04:14] <Xero> That's why I stopped using Limewire.
[04:14] <Xero> Just because it was Java, I now use gtk-gnutella
[04:15] <Dougie> i only use torrents
[04:15] <Xero> I use torrent/gnutella
[04:15] <DanaG> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/ticket/498
[04:15] <DanaG> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/ticket/497
[04:15] <terlmann> ktorrent has zeroconf capabilty
[04:15] <Dougie> don't really download much nowadays anyways
[04:15] <terlmann> ;-)
[04:15] <jsubl2> I had to modify my xorg.conf file like documented at http://compiz.org/NVidia
[04:15] <Xero> torrent/gnutella and firefox for a small amount of things
[04:15] <antibody_> damn I did apt-get remove xserver-xgl and install xserver-xgl
[04:15] <Dougie> ...what do you need to configure on it? port settings and destination folder... thats all you need
[04:16] <antibody_> and now I can't start nor kde nor gnome from kdm/gdm
[04:16] <Xero> torrent for big files, gnutella for small files, firefox for things I cant get from those
[04:16] <mphill> RAOF, you've opened my eyes to a whole new world of font goodness
[04:16] <RAOF> mphill: It looks very nice on high DPI laptop screens, yes :)
[04:16] <Xero> RAOF: Ever tried to run a good looking beryl setup on a crappy NVIDIA GF4 MX4000?
[04:17] <terlmann> DPI is everything
[04:17] <Xero> It's the 128mb version, not the 64.
[04:17] <terlmann> I want a 10000000 dpi
[04:17] <RAOF> Xero: No, but I'd suggest that compiz would be a better bet.
[04:17] <Xero> Compiz fusion = teh slow
[04:17] <Xero> Beryl = ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM
[04:17] <Dougie> what did you use for fonts?
[04:18] <Dougie> Beryl used to lag my computer so bad. Compiz fusion has never done that
[04:18] <terlmann> is , erm. it possible to run 64 bit linux on 32 bit hardware ?
[04:19] <terlmann> with a 32 bit cpu
[04:19] <Xero> I just used normal fonts.
[04:19] <snadge> is awn in gutsy?
[04:19] <Xero> terlmann, NO.
[04:19] <terlmann> aww
[04:19] <Xero> snadge, I don't think so.
[04:19] <Dougie> terlmann, why would you want to?
[04:19] <Xero> 64bit code + 32bit processor = ker splosion
[04:19] <terlmann> I think 64 bit is cool
[04:20] <Dougie> terlmann, do you even know what the 64bit architecture does?
[04:20] <terlmann> yea
[04:20] <DanaG> Aack, no hinting makes it look like OS X... or at least like Safari in Windows.
[04:20] <terlmann> its like trying to feed beer to a 1-year old
[04:20] <RAOF> DanaG: Indeed :)
[04:20] <Dougie> terlmann, then you should know that it would do absolutely nothing on a 32bit cpu
[04:20] <DanaG> To me, that's a bad thing; to others, it may be a good thing.
[04:20] <terlmann> well
[04:20] <DanaG> Then again, I should give it a longer chance -- not say "bleh" and change it back 10 seconds later.
[04:20] <terlmann> with emulation
[04:21] <terlmann> 64 bit code can run on 32 bit
[04:21] <terlmann> it would just be slow
[04:21] <terlmann> by 4 orders of magnitude
[04:21] <Xero> VERY slow
[04:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it also doesn't help that my temporary backup laptop has 14" 1024x768 -- 85 DPI.
[04:21] <terlmann> and it would be very intensive
[04:21] <terlmann> but it would work
[04:21] <RAOF> DanaG: Uuuungh.
[04:21] <Xero> Slower than trying to shove 2 fists in your mouth - and succeeding
[04:21] <DanaG> I'll be glad to get my 17" 1440x900 back.
[04:21] <RAOF> terlmann: Yes, it's possible.  Check out qemu.  Yes, it's slow.
[04:22] <DanaG> What's really bad is this: 19" 1440x900.
[04:22] <terlmann> RAOF
[04:22] <DanaG> Or worse: the travesty that is a 42" plasma: 1024x768, STRETCHED to widescreen.
[04:22] <terlmann> I can use qemu and I can fit 2 fists in my mouth
[04:22] <terlmann> LOL
[04:22] <Xero> Oh crap
[04:22] <DanaG> The pixels must be, oh, 1/2 x 1/4 inch.
[04:22] <DanaG> Or something sad like that -- 1/2 inch may be an exaggeration.
[04:23] <DanaG> And people still wonder why I prefer watching DVDs on my laptop.
[04:24] <Xero> I got tiny pixels.
[04:24] <Xero> Don't know my dpi. I think its 100
[04:24] <Xero> Yeah. I can zoom in full and hardly notice a jagged pixel. I would say it's 100 or more.
[04:26] <DanaG> Google for "javascript dpi".
[04:26] <RAOF> Or System->Admin->System log->Xorg.0.log, and search for dpi :)
[04:27] <DanaG> But that may not be correct.
[04:27] <DanaG> On this old laptop, it tells me it's 0x0.
[04:27] <DanaG> I had to measure the screen and set screen size myself.
[04:28] <Xero> Are we allowed to curse in ubuntu+1? Or are the rules like #ubuntu?
[04:28] <RAOF> As in #ubuntu.
[04:28] <Xero> Aww
[04:29] <DanaG> Just use alternatives.
[04:29] <Xero> rm -rf /media/head && echo GAH
[04:29] <DanaG> Like "Argh"/
[04:29] <DanaG> And "Arfgh", if you accidentally hit the extra letter.
[04:29] <snadge> i cant believe that richard stallman didn't approve of gnubuntu
[04:29] <snadge> i feel like slapping him
[04:29] <Xero> As do I
[04:29] <Xero> Although I kind of rely on some non-free stuff.
[04:30] <DanaG> Because Go == Mobile, right?
[04:30] <Xero> Uhhh. I wouldn't try that just yet.
[04:30] <DanaG> Well, any normal person would think so, but not the namers.
[04:30] <Xero> Razrs run some form of Linux. I forget exactly.
[04:30] <snadge> here mark shuttleworth is.. bending over for the FSF.. acknowledging that what they're trying to do is a good thing.. and then stallman says nup
[04:30] <DanaG> How about calling it "Freebuntu" or "Zealotbuntu"?
[04:31] <DanaG> At least that doesn't sound like ubuntu-mobile.
[04:31] <Xero> That's why I use nothing but Razr
[04:31] <snadge> yeah.. or RMSIsAStinkyHippyBuntu
[04:31] <snadge> :P
[04:31] <Xero> DanaG, Zealotbuntu is a good one
[04:31] <snadge> Trollbuntu
[04:31] <Xero> Trollbuntu = total Windows ripoff
[04:31] <Xero> Anti-free software
[04:31] <snadge> haha yeah.. its ONLY the proprietry components of ubuntu
[04:31] <snadge> with all the free software ripped out
[04:32] <snadge> that cracks me up
[04:32] <Xero> No. Let';s call that one Microsoft Ubuntu
[04:32] <Xero> Crap. Semicolon.
[04:32] <snadge> it would need that bluescreen kernel module i was talking about earlier though
[04:32] <terlmann> actually
[04:32] <terlmann> you should see the ubuntu ULTIMATE
[04:32] <terlmann> web site
[04:33] <terlmann> they made the chrismas edition
[04:33] <Xero> Hmm.
[04:33] <Xero> I can see it now.
[04:33] <Xero> Bill gates calling the Desktop Cube a new Microsoft innovation in 4 years.
[04:33] <terlmann> Bill doesnt have a cube
[04:33] <terlmann> never will
[04:33] <Xero> Bill will have a cube.
[04:33] <terlmann> he'll end up trying to make a hypercube
[04:33] <Xero> Bill will stael teh cube cadny
[04:33] <terlmann> and blow his brains out
[04:34] <terlmann> he's not 1337 ;-D
[04:34] <Xero> lol
[04:34] <Xero> I actually laughed at that. Not an easy thing to accomplish.
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Google Earth can be installed on 64-bit Gutsy without a chroot
[04:35] <Toma-> ubuntu ultimate has a pretty gross theme... btw guys this is all #ubuntu-offtopic style banter
[04:35] <RAOF> And Feisty, too.  And Edgy & Dapper, I think.
[04:35] <Xero> Ok...
[04:36] <Xero> #ubuntu-offtopic it is them
[04:36] <Xero> *then
[04:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm not the one who came up with Zealotbuntu.  I heard it somewhere else; I've forgotten where.
[04:37] <scottDkoDer> My prog complains that it cant find a *.so file but it is in /usr/local/lib. How can I fix this?
[04:38] <RAOF> scottDkoDer: Add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf, and then re-run ldconfig?
[04:38] <snadge> mmmm tomato ravioli
[04:38] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: That sounds pretty complicated, a little clarification plz?
[04:39] <scottDkoDer> snadge: Sounds good. I'm hungry too
[04:39] <RAOF> scottDkoDer: Ok.  /etc/ld.so.conf is a file containing the directories to scan for dynamic libraries.
[04:39] <RAOF> scottDkoDer: Adding /usr/local/lib to it will add it to the places scanned for your .so.
[04:40] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: I am sorry, I meant how to tell all progs to search local dir for libs
[04:40] <Toma-> better yet, make a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ and add the /usr/local/lib line, but doesnt that already get included? hmmm
[04:41] <RAOF> scottDkoDer: Running 'sudo ldconfig' will update the ld cache, so that the linker will find the new files.
[04:41] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
[04:41] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: That is what is in my etc/ld.so.conf file
[04:42] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: And that' all that is there
[04:42] <scottDkoDer> that's
[04:42] <scottDkoDer> *
[04:43] <RAOF> scottDkoDer: Ok.  Oh, and the libc.conf should have /usr/local/lib in it.
[04:43] <ironmatar> anyway i can install the dloaded file w out burning it
[04:43] <scottDkoDer> RAOF: Sorry, OT I'll figure it out
[04:44] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: Out of discs?
[04:46] <ironmatar> scottDkoDer:  no just no way to get the live cd out im running on at to eve do anything
[04:51] <ironmatar> so i just wanted to go ahead and run the install
[04:51] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: feisty?
[04:52] <ironmatar> no gutsy
[04:52] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: or gutsy
[04:52] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: So you don't have an OS installed on your cpu now?
[04:52] <scottDkoDer> pc*
[04:53] <ironmatar> fiesty  but it will not boot
[04:53] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: And you dont have another dvd drive?
[04:53] <ironmatar> no
[04:54] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: What happened to your feisty install?
[04:54] <ironmatar> i had it running and evr time i get updates it borks it
[04:55] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: Do you connect to the net with a wireless or wired connection
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: That sounds like the default options have the wrong UUID set
[04:55] <ironmatar> or i reboot and it dosent want to come back
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: I've seen that alot with grub, where there's multiple partitions especially. Do you have that set-up?
[04:55] <ironmatar> nope i use a patch cable to a linksys router to the dsl
[04:56] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: Well, how did you install feisty in the first place?
[04:56] <ironmatar> nope i told it t0o use entire cd
[04:56] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: How did you install feisty in the first place?
[04:56] <ironmatar> er entire hd sor
[04:57] <ironmatar> local comp shop gave me fiesty on a distro cd
[04:57] <ironmatar> red paper case
[04:57] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: So why cant you boot that live or are you now?
[04:57] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: where abouts in the boot sequence does it go wrong? do you get past grub?
[04:58] <n0yd> Mot sure what the deal is, but I seem to be missing a repo or something in my sources.list after I reininstalled gutsy.  I no longer have acroread or the mozilla-acroread plugins, weren't these in multiverse (which I have enabled)?  Or are they in medibuntu or something? (Which I don't have in my list at the moment)
[04:58] <n0yd> Not*
[04:58] <scottDkoDer> ironmatar: Why cant you boot feisty live and re-install your system?
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> n0yd: maybe try enabling the commercials?
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> or is that something different?
[04:59] <RAOF> n0yd: Acrobat is no longer redistributable, so it has been removed from the repos IIRC.
[04:59] <ironmatar> it says kernal alive and i does the lights thing for the hd and floppy and cd  and sutch and nothing happens
[05:00] <ironmatar> iv re installed fiesty so mutch
[05:01] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: when it boots, do you have any USB devices plugged in also?
[05:01] <ironmatar> nope
[05:01] <ironmatar> i have a kb  and a logitec tracman marble
[05:02] <ironmatar> neither is in a usb
[05:05] <n0yd> RAOF: as of when? I had it this morning... but maybe it came from the medibuntu repo i had enabled...
[05:05] <n0yd> IntuitiveNipple: Commercial is not available yet for Gutsy.
[05:05] <DanaG> Hmm, if you can figure out how to do it, you can use "instlux" to do a netinstall.
[05:05] <ironmatar> i have the fiesty  live cd and alt 64 bit iso's and the 32 on the hand out cd  i get it running  and after i apply the dloaded updates its futzy agian
[05:06] <DanaG> You'll need the source of instlux, and python for Windows, and NSIS.
[05:06] <DanaG> I wish instlux were premade for Gutsy.
[05:06] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: sometimes, if the BIOS is set to try and boot from removable devices and one is plugged in but not bootable, it'll shift the drive letters around and confuse grub
[05:06] <DanaG> Right now, you have to dig up the initrd images from the servers, and build it yourself.
[05:06] <IntuitiveNipple> n0yd: Yeah, I forgot that - had that issue earlier myself
[05:07] <RAOF> n0yd: As of a while ago.  It's possible that the naughty people at medibuntu still distribute it.
[05:07] <ironmatar> i dont believe that is a issue
[05:07] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: From what you've said, nor do I, but it is handy to know since it can catch you out easily
[05:08] <ironmatar> i could check but id have to reboot and then the gutys dload goes somewhere
[05:09] <n0yd> RAOF: Yeah, that's probably what it was.  It was just driving me crazy, cause I know I had it this morning, heh. ;)
[05:09] <n0yd> I know Adobe changed the license on it though.
[05:11] <IntuitiveNipple> I keep all my downloads on an external disk, for just that kind of situation :)
[05:11] <ironmatar> its taken a lot of work to get the video card driver installed as its a full stop and manuel command install after gdm stop  iv even had cedega working and eve installed but it wont boot  n then  i did the auto updates  and now it wont even finish booting
[05:12] <IntuitiveNipple> ironmatar: Have you edited the grub boot menu entry to remove the "quiet splash" so you can see where it goes wrong?
[05:12] <ironmatar> as a matter of fact yes
[05:12] <ironmatar> i dont even get that report now
[05:12] <ironmatar> changed quiet to verbose and splash-nosplash in kernal line
[05:13] <n0yd> RAOF: What ever happened to your repository?
[05:13] <RAOF> n0yd: It's waiting for falcon 2 beta 3 to come out.
[05:13] <IntuitiveNipple> so, you edit the boot menu 'root' item, then press 'b' to boot that, and you don't see any more output?
[05:13] <DanaG> OOps, I accidentally reniced init to 0.
[05:14] <DanaG> What should it be set to?
[05:14] <RAOF> n0yd: Then I'll rebuild it a bit.
[05:14] <RAOF> DanaG: 0 seems fine.
[05:14] <RAOF> DanaG: In fact, that's what my init is running at.
[05:14] <n0yd> RAOF: were you hosting it off your own connection? I assume you were, because of the dyndns bit.
[05:15] <ironmatar>  it says root   and the kernal line below that which i edited and then b for boot that kernal
[05:15] <RAOF> n0yd: One of them, yes.  I had 2 mirrors, one of which disappeared, the other one is still kinda working.
[05:15] <d4rkmonkey> /j #ubuntuforums
[05:15] <d4rkmonkey> wtf.
[05:15] <d4rkmonkey> that was weird...
[05:16] <n0yd> RAOF: I can provide 2, maybe 3 mirrors if you'd like.  I have 2 bcdlinux.org servers, and a n0yd.net server.
[05:16] <RAOF> Cool.  However, I'm no longer sure what would actually go in there :)
[05:16] <d4rkmonkey> n0yd.net is boring.
[05:17] <n0yd> d4rkmonkey: heh. Cause I wiped out my blog a few months back, and got lazy.
[05:17] <RAOF> I mean, the eyecandy is already being handled, and I'm getting packages into Universe.
[05:17] <n0yd> :)
[05:17] <d4rkmonkey> lol I just felt like saying it boring :P
[05:17] <d4rkmonkey> I like your theme though
[05:17] <n0yd> Oh, it's just ubuntustudio theme
[05:18] <n0yd> Although I just changed it
[05:18] <d4rkmonkey> heh, I stil like it ;)
[05:18] <n0yd> Damn, I forgot to backup my ~/.bashrc :-/.  It's gonna take me hours to modify.
[05:19] <n0yd> Damn, and my mpd.conf :-/
[05:19] <ironmatar> whoops
[05:20] <n0yd> I have like over 40 bash aliases, no way I can remember them all.
[05:20] <d4rkmonkey> well, I'm gonna go see if I can get my wacom tablet set up nicely.
[05:21] <ironmatar> gues ill reboot and see about changing that kernal back and se what i get
[05:25] <d4rkmonkey> gah.. not working very nicely.
[05:32] <arooni> hey folks;
[05:32] <arooni> has anyone noticed if you leave your gutsy on for awhile
[05:32] <arooni> it locks up when you come back to it?
[05:32] <n0yd> No
[05:32] <n0yd> Probably a program you have running.
[05:33] <arooni> i have the screensaver kick on
[05:33] <arooni> maybe i should turn that off?
[05:33] <n0yd> No idea.  Are you running Compiz?
[05:34] <arooni> god such a ogrgeous night hree in seattle
[05:34] <arooni> gorgeous
[05:36] <arooni> n0yd, i am runnning copmiz
[05:44] <n0yd> arooni: I wouldn't doubt if that may play a part in it.  Compiz can be buggy...
[05:45] <RAOF> ...And exposes a lot of bugs in other programs :)
[05:45] <n0yd> yup
[05:45] <n0yd> Deffintely does. :)
[05:54] <DanaG> Argh, my audio is going all crackly-squealy.
[05:55] <DanaG> Time to try a lowlatency kernel.
[05:56] <BonBonTheJon> kubuntu gutsy is acting slow with the nvidia driver
[05:57] <BonBonTheJon> any other complaints?
[05:57] <hydrogen> I've not seen it acting slowly with the nvidia driver
[05:58] <BonBonTheJon> hydrogen: gnome or kde?
[05:58] <hydrogen> kde
[05:58] <hydrogen> but it shouldn't matter
[05:58] <donspauldingii> Hello all, I'm running Gutsy on a T61, and in trying to get sound to work, I've installed CVS alsa.  Now it appears the 2.6.22-10 kernel has support for my card, how can I revert back to using the apt version of alsa?
[05:59] <BonBonTheJon> I'm also getting errors with kicker and kdebluetooth
[05:59] <donspauldingii> s/apt/gutsy apt repo
[06:00] <DanaG> laaa-dee-CRACK-eeee
[06:00] <DanaG> daaa
[06:00] <DanaG> Are there any easy ways to reduce pulseaudio cpu usage?
[06:00] <RAOF> killall pulseaudio?
[06:01] <RAOF> More seriously, no, I don't know of any.
[06:02] <n0yd> nice?
[06:03] <RAOF> You probably don't want to do that, though, since you *want* RT priority.
[06:05] <DanaG> aah, change resample method.
[06:05] <DanaG> To src-sinc-fastest.
[06:05] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[06:05] <DanaG> Note that the example gives the invalid "sinc-fastest".
[06:05] <RAOF> Isn't that the default?
[06:05] <DanaG> I'm not sure, actually.
[06:12] <DanaG> It seemed to default to a more cpu-intensive setting.
[06:29] <ironmatar> ok  i have a workign build atm x86 32 bit  rebooted got in ok  ran sudo apt-get update and then attempted to sudo apt-get upgade which was a http failure  for all packages   things went futzy after that and rebooted and had to run fsck for a whole slew of bad numbers  rebooted agian and got back on here , havent installed vidio driver or updates from update manager yet
[06:31] <ironmatar> coffee raid afk
[06:33] <Xero> All your irrelevant spam are belong to 
[06:34] <DanaG> X  Y
[06:34] <DanaG> What is the deal with that "not greater or less than" thingy?
[06:42] <hydrogen> byea..
[06:42] <hydrogen> thats kind of silly
[06:43] <hydrogen> you could say equals
[06:46] <DanaG> 
[06:46] <DanaG> And that one is RAW CODE.
[06:48] <Toma-> DanaG: this channel would be pretty quiet without your random stuff
[06:48] <hylje> :>
[06:54] <ironmatar> so as per my previous statement why would sudo apt-get update have a overall failure because of a http issue?
[06:54] <ironmatar> upgrade rather  update ran fine
[06:58] <DanaG>   That's odd... one of my files in a torrent has a piece of a different file in the middle of it.
[07:00] <ironmatar> how do i finish updateing and upgradeing without haveing the 119 updates bork my system once agian
[07:06] <ironmatar> or do i have to wait another blasted month because my system build out of part that all are at least some monthes old on market arnt really supported in ubuntu yet?
[07:07] <DanaG> !aptitude
[07:07] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:07] <DanaG> it's a nice package manager, especially if you can become accustomed to the GUI.
[07:07] <DanaG> Run it with no parameters.
[07:08] <DanaG> You can also use it interchangeably with apt-get, with parameters.
[07:09] <DanaG> I wish I could reduce the distance one scroll 'notch' scrolls by.
[07:12] <ironmatar> i swore id never go back to windows  and im stubborn  but this seems to be more than just a bit of a hassle  with the exception of the latest problems i had with them it worked when i wanted my entertainment
[07:14] <Consty> Yeah windows sucks a nut.
[07:15] <ironmatar> actually its WGAVT that sucks a nut
[07:16] <ironmatar> and a lot more people are goig to be looking to linuix to operate their comps because of it
[07:17] <ironmatar> but that wont last unless  somehow all these setup hassles are eliminated
[07:21] <ironmatar> like this vidio card driver  its been out for a few monthes  yet i have to do a Full manuel install thru terminal and gdm stop install driver gdm start
[07:22] <ironmatar> it took me over a week and somone helping for 6+hrs originaly to figure it out   because the gdm stop was hanging up before the login prompt and needed a alt-+f2
[07:23] <Consty> what about with the new bulletproof-X feature of 7.10?
[07:23] <Consty> still have that problem?
[07:24] <n0yd> Anyone here use mpd?
[07:25] <ironmatar> i dont ahve gutsy installed yet  i ran the blasted live 7.04 cd install agian so i could work on the volume  since u cant mount the volum from live cd and work on it noo u have to actually be on it to work on the blasted thing  and it borks if you look at it funny
[07:27] <ironmatar> but at least i might go for a dload now of gutsy
[07:27] <ironmatar> agian
[07:31] <ironmatar> besides it being pre release anything special i ought to know about installing gutsy  and is there a hash to check the dload agianst?
[07:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does Gnash work for YouTube?
[07:32] <DanaG> I'm sick and tired of the nonfree Flash devouring my CPU whenever I watch a video.
[07:32] <DanaG> Plus, sounds seem to stack up at some divides, and then come out in a jumble all piled on top of each other.
[07:32] <DanaG> sing sing sing sing (Gaack!)..........(spewblarghfraggle) sing sing sing.
[07:33] <ironmatar> geese i think thast what eve does when it desynch lags
[07:35] <ironmatar> i note that ubuntu and eve-o both are running python
[07:36] <bikeboy> DanaG: I had Gnash working on youtube last week, albeit with a few problems. But I found on sites with many little flash banners (not blocking them atm) many Gnash processes started and the system crawled to a halt. AthlonXP 1700+, 768mb
[07:37] <DanaG> Adblock Plus to the rescue!
[07:39] <bikeboy> Yeah I use that on my main comp. Don't need it to rescue the computer when using flash-nonfree though
[07:39] <ironmatar> i shure would like to run housecall acroos my hd  but it wont work without the java stuff  any other good place to get a comprehensive scan like housecall?
[07:40] <DanaG> So how do you use gnash instead of -nonfree?
[07:46] <jussi01> !gnash | DanaG
[07:46] <jussi01> heh, bot is dead
[07:47] <ironmatar> usually i hate bots
[07:47] <jussi01> this one is quite useful...
[07:47] <ironmatar> but the ones here are scripted to be useful
[07:47] <jussi01> saves a lot of typing
[07:47] <jussi01> and remembering
[07:47] <benanz1> what's the status of Gnash?  are we going to get it by default in any future release?
[07:47] <DanaG> Is the package simply "gnash", or is there a -plugin package?
[07:48] <ironmatar> 8ball : do windows suck!
[07:48] <ironmatar> hehehe
[07:48] <benanz1> I believe there's a plugin as well as the standalone app.  I'm just curious how it's doing
[07:49] <benanz1> I tried nuking flashplugin-nonfree and testing gnash a couple weeks ago but couldn't get it to start up
[07:49] <jussi01> hmmm, if the bot woke up we would have a link...
[07:49] <jussi01> [08:49]  <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[07:49] <jussi01> hmmm, bot works in #kubuntu
[07:50] <DanaG> oh, mozilla-plugin-gnash.
[07:50] <nalioth> !ping
[07:50] <ubotu> pong
[07:51] <DanaG> That's pretty non-obvious.
[07:51] <ironmatar> pong!
[07:51] <DanaG> poink!
[07:51] <jussi01> !gnash
[07:51] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[07:51] <jussi01> heh, now it works...
[07:51] <ironmatar> narf!
[07:53] <DanaG>  			Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[07:53] <DanaG> Arfgh!
[07:53] <DanaG> And I did mean to put that 'f' in there.
[07:54] <jussi01> lol
[07:55] <DanaG> ARfgh, no YouTube support.
[07:56] <benanz1> is it just Youtube that gives that error?  or all Flash sites?
[07:56] <DanaG> I haven't checked any others.
[07:57] <bikeboy> DanaG: sorry, was afk. I'm currently using -nonfree, but Gnash is looking good
[07:57] <benanz1> I'm getting the same error at Youtube, I'm trying to figure out if it's just Gnash not supporting youtube's content or if my gnash install is bad
[07:58] <bikeboy> make sure the plugin is in your firefox plugins folder, or you have a symlink to it
[07:58] <RAOF> DanaG: Odd.  I've used youtube+gnash in the past; maybe youtube now requires more features?
[07:59] <scottywz> hi
[08:00] <scottywz> i'm having problems with firefox
[08:00] <benanz1> I'm supposed to a "plugins" dir in ${HOME}/.mozilla/firefox right?
[08:01] <scottywz> it seems to always hang when I have enough stuff going in there.
[08:01] <ironmatar> woohoo 50% of gutsy dloded
[08:01] <bikeboy> benanz1: I can tell you that I do
[08:01] <benanz1> bikeboy: ok
[08:03] <benanz1> where's the user's firefox plugins dir?  "${HOME}/.mozilla/firefox/plugins" -- ?
[08:03] <jussi01> benanz1: something like that iirc
[08:03] <benanz1> that dir is gone now that I've installed gnash and removed flash... maybe that's the prob
[08:04] <bikeboy> /home/user/.mozilla/plugins
[08:04] <benanz1> all I've got there is "pluginreg.dat" -- no "plugins" dir.
[08:05] <benanz1> I think Gnash installs a global plugin only, and for some readon FF doesn't pick it up
[08:06] <bikeboy> you can create one, then symlink to /usr/lib/gnash... whatever the actual path is
[08:06] <benanz1> I'm just trying to figure out if this needs a bug on LP
[08:07] <bikeboy> ok, if creating your own and linking it works, that suggests to me that something isn;t working as it should by default...so a bug seems reasonabel
[08:07] <{{Booh}}> dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy is ok today?
[08:07] <bikeboy> *own plugins folder that is
[08:12] <benanz1> Symlinking "${HOME}/.mozilla/plugins/libgnashplugin.so" -> "/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so" allows FF to start Gnash for Flash content.  However, it doesn't install a symplink or user plugin by default, and therefore wont work by default, and therefore gets a bug on LP courtesy on me
[08:13] <ironmatar> im suprised gutsy is 3 mb smaller than feisty?
[08:13] <bikeboy> good work, benanz1
[08:16] <benanz1> Wow, Gnash is pretty impressive.  It's a little rough, but it's totally usable.  I was expecting something worse.
[08:16] <jussi01> ironmatar: they obviously took something out... :P
[08:17] <ironmatar> hope it was the junk that im trying to get around
[08:17] <jussi01> lol
[08:18] <benanz1> I think it's in partly to due with a few of GNOME's apps being merged instead of mult. binaries
[08:18] <ironmatar> well  im just frustrated beyond belief really with this os   easy people told me
[08:18] <ironmatar> huh
[08:18] <benanz1> frustrated with Ubuntu or just Gutsy?
[08:19] <ironmatar> ubuntu in general  all i really want to do it play eve  i paid for cedega and had it working  n i get things working and then the system goes crasy
[08:20] <benanz1> Is Eve officially supported in Cedega?
[08:20] <ironmatar> i have a 80gb drive i probably re installed feisty on about 30+ times trying to get a install  now its one big seg fault
[08:21] <ironmatar> transgameing is actually working atm with ccp on a linux native client
[08:21] <ironmatar> and yes
[08:22] <ironmatar> cedega/ubuntu works flawlessly im told
[08:22] <DanaG> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/dana/.mozilla/plugins/libgnashplugin.so' to `/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so': No such file or directory
[08:22] <ironmatar> so far zilch except frustration
[08:23] <benanz1> ironmatar: I've never tried it, but if any Linux would work, it would be Ubuntu.
[08:23] <ironmatar> benanz1:  there are at least 2 guys in my corp that run i6t already
[08:24] <benanz1> DanaG: make sure you have the "plugins" dir in"{HOME}/.mozilla"  -- I had to create it first.  It gets removed when you uninstall flashplugin-nonfree
[08:25] <DanaG> Hmm, I get audio, but no video.
[08:25] <DanaG> And it severely breaks scrolling.
[08:25] <benanz1> on Youtube?
[08:26] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:26] <DanaG> And now I accidentally followed a link I couldn't see, to a video I don't want to see.
[08:26] <benanz1> I get both audio+video and scrolling works normally.  The video is bad quality and some of the player controls are messed up -- but that's it.
[08:27] <ironmatar> people today have commented that it just might be my hardware and i should try gutsy  nothing lost but more time by trying it    im pretty shre all the hardwars i ahve installed has been avaliable for at least 6 monthes so i dont know why feisty dosent like me
[08:27] <DanaG> Hmm, now video is working after I went back.
[08:27] <benanz1> have you set up your graphics drivers correctly?
[08:28] <DanaG> Well, it's an S3 TwisterK (driver: savage).
[08:28] <ironmatar> arnt s3 cards like ancient?
[08:28] <benanz1> sorry Dana, was asking ironmatar
[08:29] <ironmatar> full manuel install thru gdm stop  run driver package gdm start
[08:29] <ironmatar> gigbyte  8500gt is not in restricted divers manager
[08:30] <DanaG> Wait, is that a telegram?
[08:30] <DanaG> (joking.)
[08:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, this S3-using system is an old backup system, for while my good laptop is being serviced.
[08:34] <bikeboy> ironmatar: even though the hardware might have been out x amount of time, that doesn't mean a) the dev's have been able to use and test it, b) the manufacturers have been at all helpful so that we can have working drivers
[08:35] <bikeboy> RAOF will tell you how bad nvidia have been lately wrt a problem in their drivers
[08:38] <ironmatar> i dont really seem to have a problem with the driver  just originally installing it because for some reason the 8500gt fanless isent in restricted drivers until gutsy for some reason
[08:38] <RAOF> ironmatar: The 8500 should be supported by the nvidia-glx-new driver.  Sadly, there's a bug in the packaging which will prevent it from working quite right.
[08:38] <ironmatar> i pretty mutch went cold turky from winblows to this
[08:39] <RAOF> ironmatar: However, you can install the nvidia-glx-new drivers, then grab the installer from nvidia.com, extract it (the installer has an --extract option), and manually copy across the "libwfb.so" file that our packages miss.
[08:39] <RAOF> Sucks to have new, badly supported hardware :(
[08:39] <DanaG> Don't forget the "xorg locks up on compiz exit" bug!
[08:41] <ironmatar> at the pace they put out New stuff  at a few monthes since release its commen stuff  at least to me i did not buy the bleeding edge stuff i see a lot of people raveing about
[08:42] <RAOF> Also, my new xserver-xgl package has hit Universe.  Now you merely need to install Xgl to use it :)
[08:47] <DanaG> Too bad Savage has no NPOT support.
[08:48] <DanaG> At least it can do composite.
[08:48] <DanaG> Too bad Metacity doesn't do compositing -- and when you enable compositing, it just breaks.
[08:48] <DanaG> My solution: use xfwm4.
[08:51] <RAOF> Or xcompmgr :)
[08:51] <RAOF> DanaG: You tried the metacity compositing?
[08:51] <nIRV-> greetings
[08:52] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  am I the only one for whom X forwarding via SSH stopped working duirng the weekend?
[08:53] <nIRV-> anyone can help me confirming (and maybe be directed to proper bug number so I can feed in info and apply possible patches *crossing fingers :))a bug that has been happening in post gutsy gibbon 5 ?
[08:54] <nIRV-> I updated my machine using a post gutsy gibbon 5 daily image +/- a week ago; since then, I keep running into freezes with gnome applications (like terminal, rythmbox, gedit, etc.) after resuming from suspend
[09:06] <nIRV-> (astro, ever noticed anything like what I'm describing?
[09:11] <praecox> hey guys, any news on when will be KMail working properly?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> praecox: it isnt?
[09:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I compiled Metacity with compositing support, and when I rand it, I just got a screen full of black boxes.
[09:19] <DanaG> Oddly, those boxes weren't even in the same places as any of the windows, and I couldn't do anything to them.
[09:20] <praecox> Hobbsee, there's a problem with fetching mails from POP3.
[09:21] <praecox> Hobbsee, it's related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/135787
[09:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135787 in kdepim "In Gutsy, Kontact fails to only fetch unread emails from the server: Unable to complete LIST operation. (dup-of: 135394)" [Undecided,New] 
[09:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135394 in kdepim "kmail fetch mail multiple from server if "leave on server for x days" is enabled" [Undecided,New] 
[09:21] <RAOF> DanaG: Isn't metacity's compositing support essentially a less-developed version of compiz, though?  I'm surprised it ran at all on a savage :)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> praecox: ah, right.  it's being worked on - grabbing the enterprise packages from elsewhere, i think
[09:23] <praecox> Hobbsee, is there anything I can with this for now?
[09:23] <praecox> Hobbsee, it crashes and doesn't grab my new mails properly...
[09:23] <Hobbsee> nope.  not unless you're going to write a patch for it not working.
[09:27] <praecox> do*
[09:28] <praecox> Hobbsee, when can I expect this to work? (approximately)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> "when it's fixed"
[09:30] <Hobbsee> next couple of days, hopefully
[09:33] <praecox> Hobbsee, I see. thanks for working on it.
[09:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm going to bed now.
[09:38] <Do``> i cant mount any drives automatically, dvd or pendrive, and when i tried to start the removable media from the system menu, i was told that 'hald' isn't working.. could someone help me figure out what this is?
[09:39] <DanaG> However, I just thought of something it might be good to get from SuSE: their xmms-to-libvisual wrapper.'
[09:39] <DanaG> I don't remember where it went, though.
[09:39] <DanaG> s/went/installs to/
[09:40] <Fracture> yay.. gutsy has fixed the performance issues I was having with compiz about 3 weeks ago !!  very nice !
[09:40] <Do``> also is it possible that there were no new packages to update with in the last 24 hours?
[09:40] <praecox> Fracture, what kind of issues?
[09:40] <praecox> Fracture, could you describe?
[09:41] <Fracture> praecox: when CPU was very busy (around 90%+) every window would be slow to repaint when draging around, and slow to scroll.  often completly freezing for seconds at a time
[09:41] <Fracture> i.e. I ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null count=1000000 in a terminal, and couldn't drag the terminal around well at all
[09:42] <praecox> Fracture, oh, I see.
[09:42] <Do``> The "hald" service is required but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this application, or contact your system administrator. :/
[09:42] <Fracture> I'm just very excited .. seems to work much better now
[09:43] <Fracture> I did have another issue, the black window issue.  I am using nvidia binary driver... when I upgraded to the latest, using envy, it fixed that too.
[09:45] <RAOF> Fracture: You do know that nvidia-glx-new *is* the latest nvidia driver, right?
[09:45] <Fracture> RAOF: nope
[09:45] <RAOF> Well, it is.
[09:45] <RAOF> And envy is annoying :/
[09:46] <Fracture> RAOF: is that something new to gutsy ?
[09:46] <RAOF> Fracture: Yes.
[09:46] <Fracture> RAOF: nice
[09:46] <RAOF> Eh, I kinda expect it.  Latest stable driver & whatnot.
[09:47] <Fracture> RAOF: yeah, I agree
[09:47] <Fracture> RAOF: i'll remove the envy version, and switch over to -new
[09:48] <RAOF> Good luck.  Envy is traditionally rather difficult to cleanly remove
[09:48] <Fracture> that's ok.. I am only using a gutsy installation as a play area for the time being
[09:48] <asisak> It is kind of *envy* :D
[09:48] <RAOF> !envy :)
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envy :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <RAOF> !envy
[09:48] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:49] <Fracture> brb
[09:49] <saispo> Fetch failure: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-feisty.git, it's normal ?
[09:57] <DanaG> Somebody should fix that blurb on "envy".
[09:58] <Do``> could someone help me fixing that HALD issue?
[09:58] <DanaG> The first comma should be a period or a semicolon or something.
[09:59] <leperkhanz> Anybody else getting like 1,000s of gb of memory usage in System Monitor (obviously erroneous!)?
[10:00] <Do``> leperkhanz: i'm seeing way to much cpu usage
[10:00] <Do``> but only 5mb memory usage
[10:01] <leperkhanz> Hmm. I'm seeing BOTH.
[10:01] <leperkhanz> XGL is taking 95 mb?!?
[10:01] <Do``> System Monitor 2.19.91.1 <- are you using this version?
[10:01] <leperkhanz> yep.
[10:01] <leperkhanz> and it has major problems obviously.
[10:02] <Do``> yep
[10:02] <Do``> but why isnt my HALD running? i cant mount a dvd :((
[10:03] <Fracture> hrm.. nvidia-glx-new has the black window issue :(
[10:03] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:03] <RAOF> They all do.
[10:03] <Fracture> oh - so its not the latest driver
[10:04] <RAOF> No, it is the latest driver.
[10:04] <RAOF> 100.11.14, or whatever.
[10:04] <Fracture> well.. when I installed with envy, it didn'
[10:04] <Fracture> t
[10:04] <RAOF> Really?
[10:04] <Do``> leperkhanz: do you keep it running for longer periods of time? after about a minute i'm now seeing 15mb of memory usage :D
[10:04] <Fracture> yah
[10:04] <RAOF> You just didn't trigger it?
[10:05] <Fracture> well.. I opened 10 firefox (almost full screen windows) and it didn't black
[10:05] <Fracture> just now, with nvidia-glx-new, I only need to open 1 + xchat
[10:05] <RAOF> How much video mem?
[10:05] <Amaranth> is this about --indirect-rendering?
[10:06] <Fracture> RAOF: not sure
[10:06] <RAOF> Maybe.  Oh, that's no longer on by default, right.
[10:06] <Amaranth> right
[10:06] <RAOF> Amaranth: Does Xgl fix black windows, too?
[10:06] <Amaranth> because it breaks horribly with nvidia-glx-new
[10:06] <RAOF> It does, doesn't it.
[10:06] <Amaranth> Yes
[10:06] <RAOF> Fracture: sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl :)
[10:06] <Amaranth> software implementation of GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap :)
[10:07] <Fracture> brb
[10:07] <RAOF> Fracture: Not only will you no longer have black windows, but you'll be able to resume from suspend, and switch virtual terminals!
[10:07] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:07] <Amaranth> it doesn't even seem to get back to the kernel
[10:08] <Amaranth> and if it does the kernel dies before it does _anything_
[10:08] <Amaranth> there is basically no way to debug that
[10:09] <Fracture> RAOF: that fixes the black windows, but makes compiz dead slow
[10:09] <Fracture> RAOF: actually, not dead slow.. just some things are
[10:10] <Fracture> RAOF: and it breaks twinview
[10:10] <Fracture> ie.. my top panel now extends over two screens, instead of just one
[10:11] <RAOF> Gah.
[10:11] <Fracture> lol
[10:11] <RAOF> Maybe I should try to repatch Xinerama into xgl.
[10:11] <nIRV-> Anyone can confirm this? Freezes on a machine using a post gutsy gibbon 5 daily image +/- a week ago; since then; I keep running into freezes with gnome applications (like terminal, rythmbox, gedit, etc.) after resuming from suspend
[10:11] <Amaranth> RAOF: no need
[10:12] <Amaranth> RAOF: just start Xgl with +xinerama
[10:12] <RAOF> Amaranth: Bah!
[10:12] <pwnguin> so how's java doing?
[10:12] <RAOF> Amaranth: Does that have any side-effects with !xinerama?
[10:13] <RAOF> Amaranth: As in: can I just unconditionally enable it, or do I need to add some more detection magic to 00-xserver-xgl_session-start_?
[10:13] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[10:13] <Amaranth> I dunno if that even works
[10:13] <RAOF> Oh.  Right.
[10:13] <Amaranth> I saw it somewhere
[10:14] <RAOF> Eh, I suppose I've got an extra monitor lying around.
[10:14] <Fracture> Amaranth: how do I configure X to start with that option ?
[10:14] <RAOF> Fracture: Want to be a guinie pig?
[10:14] <Fracture> yep
[10:15] <RAOF> Fracture: gksudo editor /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00-xserver-xgl_session-start
[10:15] <RAOF> (I'm not totally sure that the last part of the filename is correct.  Use tab-autocomplete)
[10:15] <Fracture> 00xserver-xgl_start-server ?
[10:16] <RAOF> Fracture: That'd be it.  Then, add "+xinerama" to XGL_OPTS
[10:16] <Fracture> do I have to CTRL-ALT-Backspace to restart ? or is there another way ?
[10:16] <RAOF> You can just log off.
[10:16] <RAOF> That'll be enough.
[10:16] <Fracture> ok.. brb
[10:17] <RAOF> We don't (yet) spawn XGL as the GDM server, although that would fix fast-user-switch :)
[10:18] <Fracture> :( no diff
[10:18] <Amaranth> pgrep Xgl
[10:18] <Fracture> 7567
[10:19] <RAOF> ps aux
[10:19] <RAOF> | grep Xgl
[10:19] <Fracture> 1000      7567  5.2  6.0 129444 125980 ?       SL   18:17   0:04 Xgl -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer :1 -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[10:19] <RAOF> Bah.  Ok, I don't need to update the package, then :(.
[10:23] <RAOF> Fracture: You *might* want to set "-scrns 2" in that same place, and try again.
[10:23] <Fracture> RAOF: ok
[10:26] <RAOF> Amaranth: Xgl is going to suffer from the same GL_TEXTURE_SIZE problems as compiz, right?
[10:27] <Fracture> it crashes and restarts gdm
[10:27] <Amaranth> RAOF: I don't even see that in glxinfo
[10:27] <Amaranth> but yeah, i ran into the problem (decorations went white)
[10:27] <Amaranth> oh
[10:28] <Amaranth> I don't think so, I would hope Xgl would not be using one huge texture
[10:28] <RAOF> Even for the root window?
[10:28] <Amaranth> the only reason compiz has those problems is poor design of GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[10:28] <Amaranth> i suppose it'd have to
[10:28] <Amaranth> one way to find out
[10:28] <Amaranth> up your resolution :)
[10:30] <Fracture> RAOF: any other ideas ?
[10:31] <RAOF> Fracture: What does compiz detect your "outputs" to be?
[10:31] <Fracture> RAOF: how do I find that out ?
[10:31] <RAOF> Fracture: That'd be System->Preferences->CompizConfig settings manager->Core options
[10:31] <Amaranth> oh, right, you can manually setup your outputs to fix this
[10:32] <Fracture> RAOF: general settings ?
[10:32] <RAOF> Fracture: Yes, sorry.
[10:33] <RAOF> ->Display settings->Outputs
[10:33] <Fracture> RAOF: which tab?
[10:33] <Fracture> 640x480+0+0
[10:33] <Amaranth> what resolutions are your monitors running at?
[10:33] <RAOF> Fracture: You should be able to uncheck "detect outputs", and then listen to Amaranth :)
[10:33] <Fracture> I run a left screen (seconday monitor) at 1024x178 and a right screen (primary) at 1600x1200
[10:34] <Fracture> sorry - left is 1280x1024
[10:34] <Amaranth> Fracture: alright, change that to 1280x1024+0+0
[10:34] <Amaranth> then add another one: 1600x1200+1280+0
[10:34] <Amaranth> then uncheck "Detect Outputs"
[10:35] <Fracture> ok.. done.  still has both panels full width
[10:35] <Amaranth> restart compiz
[10:35] <Amaranth> compiz --replace &
[10:36] <Fracture> still the same
[10:36] <Amaranth> dunno then
[10:36] <RAOF> Oh, I think that gnome-panel ignores that.  Your windows should at least stop maximising across screens.
[10:37] <Fracture> yep - that's true
[10:37] <RAOF> GAH!
[10:37] <Fracture> lol
[10:37] <RAOF> I'm all for better solutions, but it'd be nice to have *some* solution now.
[10:39] <Fracture> yes, i'd like that too :)
[10:39] <Fracture> my task switched is not visible, since the left screen is shorted than the right one
[10:40] <Fracture> s/switched/switcher
[10:41] <RAOF> That sucks.  File a compiz bug
[10:42] <Fracture> RAOF: ok.
[10:42] <Fracture> thanks for your help RAOF and Amaranth
[10:46] <Fracture> there is another issue with using the 'fade' animation for the focus action.. when focusing on a different window, the windows behind the newly focused window bleed through for a bit
[10:48] <Fracture> for example.. 3 windows a, b, and c.  with a overlapping b and c, and b overlapping c.  with a being focued, then focusing on b, c shows through b for an instant
[10:49] <RAOF> Yeah.
[10:50] <RAOF> It's kinda annoying, which is why I don't use fade :)
[10:52] <Seeker`> Can anyone else verify if the popup that comes up when you hover over a user in pidgin shows the wrong information if a contact is idle/away/busy
[10:54] <asisak> Seeker`: yeah. There is something bad.
[10:55] <asisak> I.e. it shows the information about another contact.
[10:55] <Seeker`> yeah, thats what i get
[10:55] <bikeboy_> mine all seem fine, does it seem to be for any protocol in particular
[10:55] <bikeboy_> ?
[10:55] <PiNE> i have a glitch with the microphone in skype, this probably isn't specific to gutsy.  does anyone know of a good skype howto?
[10:55] <Seeker`> i'm only using it for MSN
[10:56] <Seeker`> hmm, a bug has been reported
[10:56] <Seeker`> and it has been referred upstream
[10:56] <bikeboy_> Seeker`: so am I, strange that I don't see the problem
[10:56] <Seeker`> it only seems to be specific circumstances
[10:57] <Seeker`> i think it only happens if you have an away/busy contact after an online/idle one
[10:57] <bikeboy_> ah i see
[11:40] <troughton> hi i am running 7.10 and want to get involved in hellping with the development i am not a programer and all i can to is test and bug report how and where do i go to get involved ?
[11:42] <Toma--> launchpad!
[11:43] <Toma--> try to just keep updated and learn how to stack trace
[11:43] <Toma--> well reported bugs are a necessity
[11:43] <Toma--> or find open bugs and try to replicate them and provide more info
[11:43] <Dannilion> I have a problem- I have no bugs to report :p
[11:43] <Toma--> Dannilion: install more apps
[11:43] <Dannilion> that works
[11:44] <asisak> troughton: you could join #ubuntu-iso.
[11:44] <Dannilion> any recommendations?
[11:44] <Toma--> find a random app in synaptic, install
[11:44] <troughton> try installing azures i cant get it to install on my pc
[11:45] <troughton> ok asisak thanks
[11:45] <Dannilion> okay
[11:45] <asisak> troughton: You are welcome. Its topic includes some information about testing.
[11:46] <leperkhanz> ew... azureus?!?!?  Bloated!
[11:46] <troughton> thanks
[11:47] <Dannilion> I will not be downloading any torrents on it though :p
[11:47] <troughton> leperkhanz it dose the job and i tried installing the torrent clients and non will install
[11:47] <Dannilion> ah... I suppose I could find a small torrent
[11:47] <troughton> download the ubuntu iso Dannilion
[11:48] <asisak> You can rsync iso images as well.
[11:48] <asisak> In fact it is better if you want to perform the regular testing of those, because it is incremental.
[11:48] <asisak> Sorry if you want to torrent something else...
[11:49] <troughton> sounds good asisak i have just been doing some live disc building
[11:49] <leperkhanz> i prefer utorrent in wine to any current linux torrent client.
[11:54] <leperkhanz> anybody got any emulator to work under compiz?
[11:54] <Dannilion> I have a slow connection- the iso is too big
[11:54] <leperkhanz> pcsx instant crash.
[11:55] <leperkhanz> gsnes won't start rom.
[11:55] <leperkhanz> mupen no 64 bit.
[11:56] <leperkhanz> project64 under wine instant crash and close
[11:59] <leperkhanz> zsnes under wine, mouse won't work, can't load rom.
[12:01] <leperkhanz> urban terror works, sort of, but with glitches.
[12:02] <leperkhanz> black walls, etc.
[12:02] <Tomcat_> Urban Terror is a Q3 mod anyway, right? Q3 runs natively. :)
[12:02] <leperkhanz> I'm running the native one. :)
[12:02] <Tomcat_> Oh, right. :D
[12:02] <Tomcat_> Wasn't quite sure here for a moment.
[12:02] <leperkhanz> But I'm trying to get any game to run and leave compiz from imploding.
[12:03] <leperkhanz> it's slow and glitchy.
[12:03] <leperkhanz> (urban terror under compiz)
[12:03] <Dannilion> turn off compiz if you're playing games
[12:04] <leperkhanz> That defeats the purpose.
[12:04] <leperkhanz> I want to make a screen cast wherein I switch to different sides of the cube, and have different stuff going on.  The more dynamic the better.
[12:04] <leperkhanz> worked on feisty/beryl, btw.
[12:05] <Dannilion> Compiz uses your graphics card. Games use your graphics card. You are not going to get great performance from either if you run it (at least in my opinion)
[12:05] <Dannilion> *run them together
[12:06] <leperkhanz> i did under feisty.  mario kart on one side of the cube, tvtime on another, rhythmbox, and a divx all smooth at once.
[12:07] <Dannilion> okay
[12:07] <leperkhanz> with the zoom plugin, I could quickly make any of the 4 screens full screen and go right on with business.  I was hoping for a similar experience in gutsy, but so far, not even close.
[12:09] <nIRV-> Anyone can confirm this? Freezes on a machine using a post gutsy gibbon 5 daily image +/- a week ago; since then; I keep running into freezes with gnome applications (like terminal, rythmbox, gedit, etc.) after resuming from suspend
[12:09] <leperkhanz> wow, just hard crashed and rebooted x.
[12:09] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> nIRV-:  has powermanagement-interface updated to 0.3.17 and acpi-support updated to 0.99 ?
[12:13] <nIRV-> IntuitiveNipple, yep; that problem happened before these updates too (and before 0.3.16&0.98) -- was hoping it'd fix things but no
[12:14] <IntuitiveNipple> nIRV-: how long does it freeze for; how often; etc?
[12:14] <nIRV-> when I resume, it'll ask for my password and go back to the gnome OS but applications loaded afterward will freeze (although I still have partial access to gnome panels)
[12:15] <nIRV-> it freezes forever until I kill application
[12:15] <nIRV-> reloading app will result in same freeze
[12:15] <nIRV-> only way to get rid of hangs/freeze is to reboot system
[12:15] <nIRV-> once rebooted, everything will act normaly until I suspend/resume
[12:17] <nIRV-> it's not at all like the freezes described in some launchpad bug whereas the system freezes entirely; I still can load apps but these apps will hang in there as if stuck in an infinite loop or something
[12:18] <IntuitiveNipple> So is this the entire system rather than just gnome?
[12:18] <nIRV-> no
[12:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Restarting gdm doesn't solve?
[12:18] <nIRV-> it's just gnome applications
[12:18] <nIRV-> hrm, actually I think it does but not 100% sure
[12:19] <nIRV-> gedit will freeze, gnome terminal will, rhythmbox will, networkmanager will freeze, etc. but I will still be able to click on panel menus, etc.
[12:19] <IntuitiveNipple> It'd be helpful if you post a bug report on this if you haven't already with the PC make/model, usual log files (dmesg, lspci -vvnn etc)
[12:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you using 32- or 64- bit ?
[12:20] <nIRV-> would glady do so but wasn't sure whether I am facing known problem or not
[12:20] <nIRV-> 32
[12:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Best to report if in doubt :)
[12:21] <nIRV-> what are the command lines for usual log files (that'd help me help ubuntu ;) )?
[12:21] <nIRV-> okeydokey
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> let me find the 'standard' script hehehe
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> oh yes... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-542648f63012cd3ec771090213567f19d646e6dd
[12:22] <nIRV-> thanks
[12:23] <nIRV-> you think it's a kernel problem?
[12:24] <praecox> is there any way I can paste something to KMail's message composer?
[12:24] <praecox> when I try to do it in Gutsy, it crashes.
[12:26] <leperkhanz> Where do I change from 24 bit to 32 bit display?
[12:29] <PiNE> when i start the volume meter i get this warning "cannot connect to sound daemon.  Please run 'esd' at a command prompt."
[12:29] <PiNE> when i do that i get" "esd
[12:29] <PiNE> The program 'esd' can be found in the following packages:
[12:29] <PiNE>  * pulseaudio-esound-compat
[12:29] <PiNE>  * esound
[12:29] <PiNE> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[12:29] <PiNE> bash: esd: command not found
[12:29] <PiNE> should i install one of these? which one?
[12:30] <leperkhanz> How do I add my viewsonic display to the menu choices?
[12:34] <IntuitiveNipple> PiNE: $ dpkg-query -l 'esound*'
[12:34] <IntuitiveNipple> PiNE: ii  esound-common  0.2.38-0ubuntu Enlightened Sound Daemon - Common files
[12:37] <IntuitiveNipple> PiNE: It's not installed by default, you need to do "sudo apt-get install esound"
[12:39] <PiNE> ah okay.  when i did the  "dpkg-query -l 'esound*'"  the "ii  esound-common..."  did pop up but i will apt-get it to be doubly sure.  thanks.
[12:39] <IntuitiveNipple> esound-common is a different package, just config and libs
[12:40] <IntuitiveNipple> "esound" contains /usr/bin/esd
[12:40] <PiNE> what is esound?
[12:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Enlightenment Sound Daemon
[12:40] <PiNE> and ...(i apologize for the ignorance)... what does it do?
[12:41] <IntuitiveNipple> mixes multiple sound outputs together, so more than one program can use sound at the same time
[12:42] <PiNE> well done... i was just about to withdraw the question because i thought it would be near impossible to answer and then you did it so nicely!!
[12:44] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[12:45] <IntuitiveNipple> It's amazing what you can learn with a few idle moments spent browsing the Synaptic package descriptions :p
[12:45] <PiNE> i should spend more time there.
[12:50] <IntuitiveNipple> It's an over-rated pastime :0
[12:51] <jussi01> lol
[12:52] <PiNE> has anyone tried changing the color of the login screen or background?  i like both of mine to be white but for some reason when the splash screen loads it changes it from white to brown then back to white?
[12:53] <PiNE> i check out the bugs and didn't see anything similar... and i will post a bug report if someone could confirm that i didn't miss something.
[12:54] <PiNE> (i would hate for my bug report to be something like "i am stupid and forgot to do something but ubuntu works great")
[12:56] <PiNE> i know it is tedious because it involves logging out and back in but it is a worthy cause!! (..?)
[01:51] <buz> are there any packages for xorg 7.3 on gutsy? (i know it wont be included, looking for something backport like ;)
[01:56] <LordSavage> hi
[01:56] <LordSavage> i have a lil problem
[01:57] <LordSavage> when i launch urban terror while compiz is running the screen turns black and nothing happens
[02:03] <Trewas> whew, I thought that my laptop (physically) broke because of horrible glitches in X, but it was just stupid Xgl force-starting itself after it was upgraded... I guess that's my own fault for having it installed
[02:03] <buz> how can i get konqueror as default again? i cant stand dolphin
[02:07] <RAOF> Trewas: Yes, indeed.
[02:07] <RAOF> Trewas: :)
[02:08] <RAOF> Trewas: We now assume that if you've installed it, you want to use it.
[02:08] <sits> hi, is the Gutsy network failing to to get a DHCP lease bug well known?
[02:08] <RAOF> I'm surprised at the number of people who are surprised when xgl starts automatically
[02:08] <RAOF> sits: Works For Me(tm)
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> sits: you mean in Network manager?
[02:08] <sits> RAOF: not for me : ) (unless I do it statically)
[02:09] <sits> nosrednaekim: It doesn't seem to matter if it is network manager or manual configuration
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> sits: thats odd. what card?
[02:09] <sits> the key point seems to be DHCP
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> is it wireless?
[02:09] <Eq|work> i have found that network manager doesn't seem to notice the state of my ethernet connection if i have the cable plugged in on boot..
[02:09] <sits> nosrednaekim: Intel 3945ABG
[02:09] <Trewas> well, I don't remember why I installed xgl during edgy or something and it hasn't caused problems so far, so it was quite surprising that it started to actively break things now
[02:10] <sits> nosrednaekim: reproducible every time
[02:10] <sits> it's almost as if it requests the lease on the wrong interface...
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> sits: something wrong with your router?
[02:10] <sits> nosrednaekim: nope
[02:10] <sits> I can manually use dhclient eth1 to correctly get a lease
[02:10] <sits> booting into Feisty also shows that the Right Thing happens
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> sits: thats what i'm saying... does "dhclient <interface> work everytime?
[02:11] <sits> yes
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> sits: then its a problem with the netowrkmangler.
[02:11] <sits> nosrednaekim: my apologies I misinterpreted you
[02:12] <sits> nosrednaekim: oh? Does network manager never use dhclient (even on manual connections)?
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> sits: I'm pretty sure it does.
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> unless you specify that you want it static
[02:13] <sits> nosrednaekim: obviously static works. Hmm I hadn't considered that it would only use dhcdbd
[02:13] <sits> hmm looking through the logs I see
[02:14] <sits> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[02:15] <sits> nosrednaekim: ok given that it tied to NetworkManager is this a well known bug?
[02:15] <Dannilion> I think it's reported in launchpad
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> sits: I don't know if that SPECIFICALLY is. But its common that dhcp doesn't work in NM
[02:15] <sits> it seems strange that it would work in Feisty and then not Gutsy
[02:16] <sits> that sounds like a regression
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> not unknown to happen ;)
[02:17] <sits> of course but if no one really knows then no one will fix it :)
[02:17] <Dannilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136895
[02:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136895 in ubuntu "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG not working with Gutsy " [Undecided,New] 
[02:18] <sits> Dannilion: thank you
[02:19] <Dannilion> I have the same wireless card, but don't use DHCP so can't reproduce it
[02:19] <Dannilion> (nor do I use networkmanager)
[02:19] <sits> Dannilion: understood
[02:20] <sits> let's see what I can do with that bug...
[02:31] <bullgard4> I wonder if the current Gutsy includes a driver file ahci.ko
[02:41] <Xero> Gutsy includes happiness.
[02:42] <Xero> They built happiness.c right into the kernel
[02:44] <Dannilion> really?
[02:52] <Xero> Yes, really.
[02:52] <Xero> Gutsy not only has the ability to, but is forced to make you happy
[02:52] <snadge> will it also make me gay?
[02:53] <Xero> Depends. What definition?
[02:53] <snadge> in sexual orientation
[02:53] <Dannilion> I thought just gay/happy
[02:53] <snadge> hehe
[02:53] <snadge> ubuntu makes me angry generally ;)
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> snadge: thats better than being gay...
[02:55] <Xero> Gutsy makes happy.
[02:55] <Xero> Not homo.
[02:57] <Dannilion> gutsy makes me happy when it works, or I figure out how to fix something
[02:57] <snadge> whenever an ubuntu machine boots, bill gates sheds a small tear
[02:58] <Xero> Kewl.
[02:58] <Xero> Gonna go reboot 10 times now.
[03:02] <snadge> wake me up in a couple of years
[03:03] <snadge> when ubuntu will be able to automatically find me a girlfriend, get me a job.. and run windows programs natively
[03:03] <snadge> ;)
 wake me up in a couple of years
 when ubuntu will be able to automatically find me a girlfriend, get me a job.. and run windows programs natively
 ;)
[03:10] <Xero> OMG its toma
[03:11] <Toma-> what are you doing in +1? :)
[03:35] <sausageman> is there a gnome-keyring-sharp package in gutsy?
[03:36] <bullgard4> I wonder if the current Gutsy includes a driver file ahci.ko
[03:36] <spark_s> hello all, last night I ask a question about the blink when try to adjust brightness on thinkpad x60, I had try to remove the vedio on boot, but it is helpless. who has more suggestion ?
[03:55] <eagles0513875> what c++ ide compilers r there for gutsy
[03:56] <hydrogen> kdevelop
[03:56] <hydrogen> eclipse
[03:56] <Xero> KDevelop
[03:56] <Xero> is eclipse like all in one?
[03:56] <hydrogen> you could go out on a limb and say vim :)
[03:57] <Xero> /ignore makes script kiddies angry
[03:58] <eagles0513875> ty hydrogen reason i asked is im teaching my self c++ would like to play round with it in linux too once i teach myself in winblows lol
[03:58] <Xero> compiling + windows = bad.
[03:59] <eagles0513875> Xero: i know its just until i familiarize myself with it then winblows can kiss my *** and im coming ovr to linux to program lol
[04:00] <Xero> how do you get eclipse to do C++
[04:01] <eagles0513875> dunno i need to dl and install it still
[04:01] <aguitel> how work tribe 5 ?
[04:01] <Xero> Eclipse is java...
[04:01] <eagles0513875> right now im updating my machine
[04:01] <eagles0513875> then wat is c++
[04:01] <Xero> KDevelop, but I think I can get eclipse to do C++
[04:01] <buz> eclipse CDT does c++
[04:01] <buz> no idea if its any good though
[04:02] <Xero> C Development Tool???
[04:02] <buz> yes
[04:02] <Xero> Sweet I got it right
[04:02] <buz> think so anyway
[04:02] <buz> anyone with a intel gma x3100 based system around? i'm getting abysmal (as in entirely unusable) performance from google earth
[04:03] <buz> but glxgears does about 1100fps
[04:03] <buz> and direct rendering is active
[04:03] <eagles0513875> buz open gl direct or indirect
[04:03] <buz> glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes
[04:03] <buz> not sure what googleearth doesnow
[04:04] <Xero> Googeearth crashes my whole X server.
[04:04] <eagles0513875> interestin could be a google earth issue
[04:04] <buz> could be
[04:04] <Xero> I'm on proprietary NVidia
[04:04] <buz> looks like it to me
[04:04] <buz> other gl apps work, not very fast, but ok
[04:04] <sn0> Xero if you are using desktop effects try disabling it and re-launching google earth, known problem i believe
[04:04] <buz> using straight kwin
[04:04] <Xero> Tremulous and GoogleEarth break my X server, but OpenArena runs perfecly.
[04:05] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:05] <davmor2> Xero: try switching off compiz in the appearances
[04:05] <buz> what i'm really after is backports like xorg 7.3
[04:05] <Xero> I don't use Compiz.
[04:05] <Xero> I use Beryl.
[04:05] <Xero> I'll turn it off though.
[04:05] <sn0> ya either/or :-)
[04:05] <davmor2> same thing now :)
[04:06] <Xero> HELP
[04:06] <Xero> Tremulous makes my res too hiigh and now I cant see what im typing
[04:06] <Xero> Youll have to spam to make me able to see asnything
[04:06] <Xero> Gah
[04:06] <buz> sheesh google earth download site is daft, if you konqui, it will give you windows version
[04:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:08] <buz> if you use ff, it works
[04:09] <buz> upon startup it says
[04:09] <buz> do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
[04:09] <buz> Try running with LIBGL_THROTTLE_REFRESH and LIBL_SYNC_REFRESH unse
[04:21] <nemik> so does anyone use the iwl3945 driver instead of the ipw?
[04:22] <sits> I think I might have tracked down my dhcp problem
[04:26] <xtknight> can anyone else successfully install "audacious" on x86_64?
[04:26] <xtknight>   audacity: Depends: libjack0 (>= 0.103.0) but it is not installable
[04:26] <xtknight> E: Broken packages
[04:28] <eagles0513875> i have it already on here
[04:28] <eagles0513875> works fine
[04:29] <eagles0513875> i use it as my default since im having issues with amarok
[04:29] <xtknight> eagles0513875, you have libjack0 0.103.0 installed?
[04:29] <xtknight> dpkg -s libjack0
[04:29] <xtknight> i guess it could be my Medibuntu repo
[04:30] <xtknight> hmm scratch that, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade somehow fixed the problem
[04:30] <eagles0513875> xtknight: ya i do just do sudo apt-get install libjack0
[04:30] <xtknight> got it
[04:31] <eagles0513875> let me know if it works
[04:32] <xtknight> eagles0513875, yup it's fine now.  i think i couldn't install libjack0 because i didn't install my other updates.
[04:34] <eagles0513875> xtknight: lol ok
[04:38] <Tomi-idle> hi, any simple workaround to get sub-pixel hinting working on kde? mine's grayed out on system settings
[04:38] <buz> yeah i'm wondering about that as well
[04:39] <buz> i seem to remember it being configurable in feisty
[04:39] <Tomi-idle> tried compiling freetype6 sources with uncommenting the subpixel rendering but no luck yet
[04:39] <eagles0513875> u guys sudoed into wherever u can change that
[04:39] <Tomi-idle> buz: there was some comments about microsoft patent on the sources, so it's disabled by default or something like that <.<
[04:40] <eagles0513875> ****in msft
[04:40] <buz> more like ******* USPTO
[04:40] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:40] <buz> if the USPTO wasnt so darn lazy, soft pats usually wouldnt get thru anyhow
[04:40] <Eq|work> software patents shouldn't be allowed anywhere
[04:41] <xtknight> how do you get out of suspend mode?
[04:41] <buz> but is the feature compiled in?
[04:41] <buz> xtknight: on many laptop, you dont
[04:41] <xtknight> and PC apparently ;)
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> still no luck with subpixel hinting <.<
[04:46] <xtknight> [ 1758.379322]  ACPI: Processor [CPU1]  (supports 2 throttling states)
[04:46] <xtknight> [ 1758.379333]  ACPI Exception (processor_core-0781): AE_NOT_FOUND, Processor Device is not present [20070126] 
[04:46] <xtknight> weird
[04:47] <buz> mhh there was a bug when core 2 duo didnt see both cpu upon resume
[04:47] <buz> i thought it was fixed, but then my machine wouldnt resume at all anymore
[04:47] <xtknight> well this time suspend didnt even work (at least with POST_VIDEO=false)
[04:48] <xtknight> isn't suspend2 more stable than uswsusp?  why is uswsusp still used?
[04:48] <xtknight> lots of reports like this tho
[04:48] <xtknight> https://launchpad.net/bugs/137025
[04:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137025 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  [regression]  hibernate (suspend to disk) broken in 2.6.22" [Undecided,New] 
[04:51] <sits> xtknight: check kernel trap
[04:51] <sits> xtknight: but I'd guess half the reason is because suspend2 came second
[04:52] <xtknight> hmm
[05:09] <Arwen> anyone here tried using easytag? It writes garbage when trying to attach images
[05:31] <FelixTheCat> Hello people
[05:32] <Robbster> hi all. I'm running tribe 5 and suspect that there is a bug in the network admin. I've been running fine, but tis afternoon, it started taking a loong time (> 1 minute) to load the network-admin application.
[05:33] <Robbster> I suspect that it is searching for something. I've got a dead simple setup on my Lenovo Z61m Laptop (wireless and giga-lan).
[05:34] <sits> Robbster:  anything else taking forever to open?
[05:34] <Robbster> I want to raise this as a bug, after I've made sure that is isn't something in my setup?
[05:34] <sits> e.g. gnome-terminal
[05:34] <Robbster> nope. Everything else that I tried (firefox, terminal, share-admin) seem very responsive
[05:35] <sits> Robbster: it's a wild guess but this might be hal or dbus related
[05:35] <sits> assuming you don't have anything which can't be destroyed open
[05:35] <Robbster> 'can't be destroyed'?
[05:35] <sits> Robbster: you may want to try sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[05:35] <sits> Robbster: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[05:36] <Robbster> k, just waiting for network admin to start ... :)
[05:36] <sits> Robbster: I'm just trying to cover all bases : )
[05:36] <Robbster> sure :)
[05:36] <Robbster> network-admin takes 1.15 minutes :( - restarting dbus now. can I do that whilst running gnome, or am I asking for trouble?
[05:37] <sits> Robbster: I've seen this stuff go completely wrong for folks so it's better to be give a big warning
[05:37] <Robbster> sits. I've tried running network-admin from the Commandline. I get his output...
[05:37] <Robbster> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[05:38] <sits> Robbster: that's fairly harmless
[05:38] <Robbster> k
[05:38] <Robbster> restarting dbus now.....
[05:38] <sits> (I see that too here and I think it basically means you won't get sound effects on your window decorations)
[05:39] <Robbster> humm, restarting dbus stalls on 'Stopping network connection manager NetworkManager'.. still waiting....
[05:39] <sits> Robbster: it's risky restarting dbus while your system is running hence the warning
[05:39] <sits> Robbster: ah maybe that's just as well
[05:39] <sits> Robbster: I assume you are using the machine as we speak?
[05:39] <Robbster> yeah.
[05:40] <Robbster> cool, done. some warning about some applets (battery, etc) needing to be restart...
[05:40] <sits> mmm
[05:40] <Robbster> ... and network-admin is its usual lightening self :)
[05:40] <sits> generally there are no guarantees when you are forced to restart dbus
[05:41] <Rincewind> I have a problem with gutsy, if I want to shut down using the button in the gnome panel or using my power button then everything freezes and the only thing left to do is going to a x11 console
[05:41] <Robbster> opens up beautifully. (same warning about /usr/bin/esd)
[05:41] <sits> things that are listening on it might not reconnect etc so I've been told the only safe thing to do if it is upgraded is to reboot your machine...
[05:41] <Rincewind> is this a known bug? I searched launchpad but didn't find anything about it
[05:41] <Robbster> k, I'll restart the machine now just to be sure...
[05:41] <sits> Rincewind: does it take a REALLY long time for something to appear
[05:42] <Robbster> thx sits. I appreciate it ...
[05:42] <sits> Robbster: if you like
[05:42] <Rincewind> maybe, I wasn't very patient
[05:42] <sits> Rincewind: maybe... 1.5 minutes? : )
[05:43] <Rincewind> just a moment, i try it
[05:44] <Toma-> oh no... a Wizzard...
[05:44] <Rincewind> now I got it
[05:45] <sits> Rincewind: possibly hal or dbus again would be my guess
[05:45] <Rincewind> and after I press cancel gnome-power-manager starts again (I killed it) and reduces brightness
[05:45] <sits> if g-p-m can't talk to HAL the shutdown window takes forever to appear
[05:46] <Rincewind> I stopped g-p-m, so it shouldn't be talking anyway??
[05:46] <sits> I'm not sure that helps
[05:46] <sits> I think it will just wind up being started up when you try to press the quit button (I could be wrong)
[05:47] <Rincewind> g-p-m is definitely broken for me, but this seems to be a known issue
[05:47] <Rincewind> the shut-down thing started yesterday
[05:48] <Regel> Does some1 know where to get Google-earth 4.2?
[05:48] <Regel> I cant download it
[05:48] <buz> Regel: earth.google.com
[05:48] <buz> but it doesnt work on my machine
[05:48] <buz> use firefox for downloading, the site is braindead wrt to os detection
[05:48] <sits> Rincewind: ok just tested
[05:48] <Regel> buz, the 'Agree and download' button is not working in my firefox :)
[05:49] <buz> lemme see if i have the link
[05:49] <buz> http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-linux4.html
[05:49] <sits> Rincewind: if it isn't running (which it wasn't for me) then clicking the quit button will take an age and then it will start anyway
[05:49] <Regel> thanks
[05:49] <buz> what graphics hardware do you have
[05:49] <Regel> buz, yeah, that did the trick, thank you
[05:50] <Rincewind> sits: I am not familiar with the bug reporting process, are you writing a report?
[05:50] <sits> Rincewind: nope, I just happened not to have it running and wanted to test to see if what I was saying was in any way accurate
[05:51] <sits> when I thought about it that's what I figured would happen because of the way that dbus works
[05:51] <buz> looks to me as if googleearth 4.2 is broken
[05:51] <Rincewind> so, is it a bug or a 'feature' of dbus?
[05:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Rincewind: Are you using Compiz/Desktop Effects?
[05:52] <Rincewind> and is there a bug report for it or should I write one?
[05:52] <Rincewind> no compiz at all
[05:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I had an issue with 32-bit Gutsy and Compiz/Desktop effects enabled where it would hang closing out of Gnome, and the only thing I could do to recover was Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+K
[05:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I found and solved that issue, but can't remember how! It was a minor change in the Gnome configuration using gconf-edit
[05:54] <Rincewind> suspend/hibernate doesn't work, either, suspend worked 2 days ago
[05:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got the same issue again with Gutsy 64-bit and been trying to work out what I did with 32-bit to fix it
[05:54] <sits> Rincewind: it's a bug that gpm is dying
[05:54] <sits> Rincewind: it's a feature that dbus can start apps which timeout when messages are sent to them
[05:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Rincewind: Have you got the updated powermanagement-interface and acpi-support that was fixed over the weekend?
[05:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I think it's 0.3.17 and 0.99 respectively
[05:55] <Rincewind> sits: gpm isn't dying, I kill it on every boot for the moment
[05:55] <Rincewind> I have the latest upgrades
[05:56] <sits> Rincewind: ah ok then I'd expect what is happening to you to happen
[05:57] <paran> is there any archive where you can download debs for old versions that have been in gutsy?
[05:57] <Rincewind> might be expected, but it isn't nice...
[05:57] <paran> The latest update of a package (amsn) is broken for me, and I would like to install the previous version, but that is not in the ordinary mirrors anymore
[06:02] <xtknight> can anyone else reproduce this?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/136711
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136711 in nautilus "Show Hidden Files broken in common dialogs" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[06:02] <xtknight> if so, please reply to the bug
[06:03] <Rincewind> ok, new issues... I started gpm and now everything with the shut-down dialog works normal. I just tried suspend. Suspend worked great, however, after resuming I get a balloon message "sleep failed"
[06:03] <Rincewind> I guess I just have to wait until the issues with power-manager are solved completely
[06:13] <sits> Rincewind: ah the sleep failed issue
[06:14] <sits> Rincewind: I see that here too
[06:14] <sits> Rincewind: I believe the bubble to be spurious in this case
[06:18] <Rincewind> also, I don't have to type my password after resume, or opening the lid, although I have configured this option
[06:24] <pidgas> after a recent update (about 2 days ago now) I can't log into my system normally.  I get a message saying "Refusing to initialize GTK+" in the .xsession-errors file after some warnings about using setuid or setgid in an unapproved manner.  Normally I'd chalk this up to something I did wrong, but I tried downloading a daily build of the xubuntu 7.10 installer CD and I get the same thing. ...
[06:24] <pidgas> ...Anyone else had this problem, know a solution?  I can't find much on Google or the forums.  Thanks
[06:31] <sits> pidgas: I get the same warnings but GDM still lets me log in
[06:32] <pidgas> that's interesting.
[06:32] <pidgas> if it were my system, I'd expect to be able to log in using the current gutsy-desktop.iso liveCD.  But I get the same behavior from the LiveCD.
[06:33] <sits> that's odd
[06:33] <pidgas> It's very strange that this isn't lighting up the forums...to me.
[06:33] <sits> pidgas: perhaps it's only a matter of time
[06:34] <pidgas> oh, other interesting tidbit.  If I log into failsafe terminal and then issue startxfce4...logs me right in without any probs.
[06:35] <pidgas> Rather, i'm probably not having problems logging in.  But I am having trouble starting the graphical session.
[06:44] <pidgas> does the new liveCD try to use "restricted" binary drivers by default?
[06:53] <sits> pidgas: and you are using XFCE?
[06:53] <sits> pidgas: what happens again?
[06:53] <pidgas> yup
[06:53] <pidgas> with the proprietary nvidia driver
[06:58] <pidgas> what happens is that I get the gdm login screen and sign-in.  The screen hangs and then boots me back to the login screen after about a minute and a half. Looking at the .xsession-errors file, I get the GTK+ initialization refusal and then a series of messages from processes unable to attach to screens.
[07:02] <tehk> Anyone here use the madwifi drivers for the macbook?
[07:03] <nosrednaekim> tehk: not me.... but I have seen a couple people around who do.
[07:03] <nosrednaekim> I DO use madwifi tho
[07:03] <Dana1> Hmm, if I try to use a -rt kernel, dbus won't start.
[07:03] <tehk> Yea I got the card 'working'. It sees networks just will not finish connecting
[07:04] <nosrednaekim> tehk: try running dhclient from the command line?
[07:04] <tehk> nope will do
[07:04] <Dana1> Oh, and command-not-found should suggest using aptitude.
[07:10] <danielk> hi
[07:11] <danielk> I'm trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy using "gksu -- update-manager -c -d", but nothing happens
[07:11] <nickrud> danielk, change all your references to feisty to gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list , then run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade a few times ;)
[07:11] <danielk> update-manager fires up at usual but doesn't mention anything about a distro upgrade
[07:11] <danielk> ok
[07:12] <danielk> is the automatic stuff broken?
[07:12] <Arwen> danielk, did you install update-manager from backports/proposed-updates?
[07:13] <Arwen> last time I checked, the default one didn't work
[07:13] <danielk> updates
[07:13] <danielk> I have the right version according to the website
[07:13] <danielk> and I tried proposed too
[07:13] <Arwen> dunno, it worked for me.
[07:13] <Arwen> manual works too ;)
[07:13] <danielk> didn't find anything in launchpad either
[07:14] <danielk> but it appears I'm not the only one
[07:24] <larson9999> i installed gutsy on my desktop and laptop.  xdmcp isn't working.  i can see the desktop but when i click connect it kicks me back to the login for my laptop
[07:33] <FireCrotch_> I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy on a Toshiba Satellite U305-S5097, and I don't where to start with getting the integrated wireless card working
[07:33] <FireCrotch_> It's an Atheros chipset
[07:37] <tehk> "no working leases in persistent database - sleeping"
[07:37] <tehk> bloody macbook
[07:48] <sid> Anyone here have dual screens?
[07:48] <sid> I just did a fresh install, dual screens is very messed with compiz enabled.
[07:49] <sid> dual screens without the same thing
[07:49] <sid> the default install works fine, but if you want to use both screens differently, it's messed
[07:51] <Xero> That's true.
[07:54] <sid> Xero: Any fix?
[07:54] <Xero> sid: No. I dont use dualscreens so I dont know
[07:54] <Trewas> sid: don't use compiz? :)
[07:55] <sid> I guess that is the only fix for now.
[07:56] <Trewas> compiz seems to have too much issues to be actually usable anyway
[07:58] <Trewas> ... not that those are necessarily fault of compiz, but missing functionality from X/drivers
[08:01] <efface> i cant get my sound to work, when i did modprobe emu10k1 says it couldnt be found, so i went to the merkenl modules folder and ran it there...it worked...i check /dev and didnt find mixer or dsp.  Alsamixer will not run as it cant find the card
[08:05] <efface> anyone?
[08:13] <sid> Trewas: You think this will be fixed by the time Gutsy is released? or not likely?
[08:16] <Trewas> sid: not likely, and I don't know if it has been decided but I assume compiz will be disabled before gutsy is released (main reasons the problems with xvideo and windowed opengl apps)
[08:17] <sid> Trewas: interesting
[08:17] <sid> sabdfl wanted 3d effects on for several releases now
[08:17] <sid> heh
[08:17] <danielk> well too bad it kills actual 3D apps
[08:18] <Trewas> well, better to not have them if they have too much problems
[08:18] <Trewas> ubuntu-devel did not have too much discussion about enabling compiz by default, but redhat did: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-August/msg00559.html (and their pros/cons apply also to ubuntu)
[08:23] <efface> can someone help get my sound working, what i do know to do isnt working
[08:25] <wousser> is dbus-viewer removed from the repositories in gutsy?
[08:26] <Arwen> looks like it
[08:26] <wousser> Arwen: do you know the fastest way to install dbus-viewer?
[08:27] <Arwen> I neither know nor care
[08:27] <Xero> OMGosh its ubotu
[08:34] <DanaG> Argh, 3 days and still no changelog for gcc and related packages.
[08:35] <Arwen> I noticed that too
[08:36] <Arwen> apparently some devs consider themselves above recording random patches
[08:38] <OpenGL> If I try to run Tremulous on Gutsy (Beryl or no, it doesn't matter) the X session makes the resolution 640x480 and then freezes.
[08:39] <OpenGL> Is there a fix or workaround for that?
[08:39] <OpenGL> Same with Nexuiz
[08:39] <OpenGL> OpenArena runs fine.
[08:40] <lamalex> simple question: is anyone else not getting a tray icon for pidgin?
[08:44] <Asad2005> lamalex, Go tools-prefrences and select always for show system tray icon
[08:44] <lamalex> mm didn't see that earlier
[08:44] <lamalex> i poked around
[08:44] <lamalex> will look again
[08:44] <Asad2005> lamalex, its in interface tap
[08:45] <lamalex> it's the first option
[08:45] <Asad2005> yes
[08:56] <Luke> I updated to gutsy and gnome themes and fonts seem broken and their menu entries are gone. is this a common problme?
[08:57] <OpenGL> What's wrong with mpc/mpd here?
[08:57] <OpenGL>  mpc play cool.m3u
[08:57] <OpenGL> error parsing song numbers from: cool.m3u
[08:57] <OpenGL> It's a 3 line playlist generated in XMMS and it won't play from mpd.
[09:01] <DanaG> How can you change the volume label on a FAT16 volume?
[09:01] <contrast83> Are any other Kubuntu users getting share/ and env/ showing up in their home folder every time they log in?
[09:02] <DanaG> !xcompmgr
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcompmgr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <DanaG> I'm now randomly getting "can't mount" for an NTFS volume that's not in fstab.
[09:03] <DanaG> I'm also getting "/media/disk/" for a FAT16 utility partition that's also not in fstab.
[09:03] <DanaG> Why is it even using ntfs-3g?  That's a bad default.
[09:03] <DanaG> With it using NTFS 3g, it's an all-or-nothing situation:
[09:04] <DanaG> Either it mounts RW, or it doesn't mount.  There's no fallback to read-only.
[09:05] <contrast83> Did you try uninstalling ntfs-3g?
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, and I can't seem to change mount options with gparted.
[09:11] <dick-richardson> I realize the .deb pkg of webmin doesn't install properly, anyone know if compiling it from source does?
[09:11] <DanaG> Argh, I just got a kernel oops in my emu10k1 module.
[09:13] <dick-richardson> Or is that a sore subject that will never get answered :P
[09:14] <nickrud> Luke, they're under Appearance Now
[09:17] <Luke> nickrud: yea i found it. Pretty sweet!
[09:17] <Luke> nickrud: the weirdness was because I think it detected my real DPI instead of using the hardcoded 96 or whatever it uses
[09:18] <nickrud> Luke, yes, I have some issues with font appearance I've kinda been ignoring ..
[09:21] <Luke> nickrud: aside from DPI?
[09:22] <nickrud> firefox is a bit messy. Like I said, not worth worring about right now
[09:22] <Luke> interesting
[09:22] <Luke> I'm just trying to decide if I want to update my desktop as well
[09:23] <Luke> i think these updates are freaking amazing
[09:23] <Luke> haha
[09:23] <OpenGL> I just got MPD/Jinzora/Stream working
[09:24] <OpenGL> I now have a way of being useful to a family of music freaks who need their hard drive space
[09:24] <DanaG> What exactly is MPD, anyway?
[09:24] <Luke> what's jinzora?
[09:24] <OpenGL> Music Player Daemon
[09:25] <OpenGL> Jinzora is an online interface to stream and MPD
[09:25] <Luke> ah
[09:25] <OpenGL> Testing it out on my laptop
[09:25] <OpenGL> For some reason the crappy Windows laptop is always 100% CPU...poor thing
[09:31] <Luke> OpenGL: some of my CS buddies think that is a Windows "Feature"
[09:31] <OpenGL> LOL
[09:31] <OpenGL> They think 100% CPU is a good thing?
[09:31] <Luke> OpenGL: "why would we want to *waste* the unused CPU cycles" they say and I say "what is it *using* it for?"
[09:31] <Luke> yea
[09:31] <Luke> haha
[09:31] <Luke> especially on laptops!
[09:31] <Luke> wtf
[09:31] <Luke> whatever gets them through the day I suppose
[09:32] <OpenGL> lol
[09:32] <OpenGL> My comp is at 10-20% all day
[09:32] <Luke> your windows comp?
[09:32] <OpenGL> Craptop Windows is at 90-100% for an hour (until it goes into hibern00b)
[09:32] <Luke> haha oh
[09:33] <OpenGL> Also, I overclocked this NVidia 100MHz above normal (a lot, considering its an old card. Improved beryl dramatically)
[09:33] <OpenGL> No extra heat whatsoever.
[09:34] <Luke> nice
[09:34] <Luke> i unplugged the fan on my old nvidia without any heatup
[09:34] <OpenGL> ROFL
[09:34] <Luke> saved a lot of power too
[09:34] <Luke> haha
[09:35] <OpenGL> Mine has 2 fans it's so old.
[09:35] <Luke> haha nice
[09:35] <OpenGL> One of them was stolen from an old Pentium.
[09:35] <Luke> my fav old computer is a ultra sparc II
[09:36] <Luke> it's awesome with like 5 nics... I don't even know what to use them for
[09:36] <OpenGL> Hmm. Should I steal a fan from a computer with a Duron in it and put it on this nv?
[09:36] <OpenGL> Overclock it even more
[09:38] <Luke> ha do it
[09:46] <j00bar> howdy -- gusty with radeon xpress 200m trying to get fglrx + compiz-fusion going... I've got XGL running using the gutsy packages, but when I try to launch compiz --replace, I get "Fatal: Support for non power of two textures missing", "Error: Failed to manage screen: 0", " Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :1.0"
[09:46] <j00bar> any ideas as to what i'm doing wrong?
[09:47] <j00bar> (besides using an ATI card... lulz)
[09:49] <j00bar-home> lulz. fglrxinfo crashed X.
[09:50] <OpenGL> Rofl
[09:50] <j00bar-home> i'd use radeon and aiglx, but my 200M appears to be the one chipset I can't do that with.
[09:55] <j00bar-home> ah. so it seems though fglrx is installed, it lacks DRI...
[09:56] <asdf> can anyone point me to a tutorial for upgrading from feisty to gutsy?
[09:56] <asdf> and does anyone know if it goes smoothly on a macbook?
[10:02] <asdf> can anyone point me to a tutorial for upgrading from feisty to gutsy? *
[10:03] <j00bar-home> asdf: same way you always do a dist-upgrade?
[10:04] <asdf> j00bar-home: I've never done one
[10:06] <jsomers> asdf: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[10:07] <jsomers> there is a section called "Upgrading from Feisty"
[10:07] <asdf> thx, jsomers
[10:07] <asdf> anyone tried it on a macbook?
[10:09] <twilight> asdf: i've a macbook, and i've done un upgrade form feisty to gutsy (tribe 2)...no problem here
[10:09] <twilight> s/un/an
[10:09] <twilight> s/form/from -.-'
[10:09] <asdf> twilight: great, thx
[10:09] <twilight> :)
[10:28] <SeveredCross> Man.
[10:28] <SeveredCross> SuSE sucks.
[10:31] <adam_> dbus is totally screwed
[10:31] <adam_> when is this problem going to be fixed
[10:31] <SeveredCross> Last I saw dbus worked, (last I saw being 2 days ago)
[10:31] <SeveredCross> What's wrong with it
[10:31] <adam_> yeah me too
[10:31] <adam_> well
[10:32] <adam_> i get a bus error
[10:32] <holzmodem> searching for Gimp 2.4 RC2 DEB Package, is one available?
[10:32] <adam_> hold on, let me dig up more info
[10:32] <adam_> I can't use most apps
[10:32] <adam_> and gnome-panel crashes
[10:32] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[10:33] <SeveredCross> Ugh
[10:46] <bdgraue> new kontact is coming, is the problem while fetching emails solved?
[11:19] <GuyFromHell> what's the name of the bin name of the network thingie at the top right?
[11:20] <IdleOne> GuyFromHell: do you mean network-manager?
[11:20] <GuyFromHell> tried that
[11:21] <GuyFromHell> oi, found it. NetworkManager
[11:21] <IdleOne> nm-applet 0.6.5
[11:49] <soc> how likely is it that we will get gimp 2.4 in gutsy?
[11:49] <soc> seems the gimp devs are already preparing their website relaunch (looks amazing)
[11:52] <soc> anyone_?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> soc: depends if one of the devs already repare for it if not unlikely
[11:52] <gnomefreak> soc: ask in #ubuntu-motu they would have to get a UVF
[11:52] <soc> the second release candidate was released today ...
[11:52] <soc> ok
[11:53] <gnomefreak> soc: its its rc its highly doubtful
[11:53] <gnomefreak> if its*
[11:53] <gnomefreak> at this point in devel the exceptions are more than likely STABLE
[11:53] <soc> yes, but might reduce the amount of useless bugreports, because we're shipping unstable software at the moent ...
[11:54] <soc> ok
[11:54] <gnomefreak> cant ship gutsy with unstable apps
[11:55] <gnomefreak> thats why kde4 wont be shipped in gutsy it releasses shortly after gutsy does
[11:56] <rainwalker> Will Gutsy have it's own repo for Compiz Fusion or will it use one of the existing ones?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> rainwalker: ask in #ubuntu-effects
[11:56] <gnomefreak> rainwalker: those are unsupported repos
[11:57] <gnomefreak> gutsy has compiz fusion already
[12:16] <declan> Any thoughts on how to fix the font size? In the terminal, or in gedit I get these tiny fonts...?
[12:17] <declan> This is a very quiet place I have entered.... anyone home?
[12:18] <declan> :-D
[12:18] <declan> >:o
[12:34] <spaz> hello
[12:39] <spaz> i've encountered a bug when installing/upgrading these packages: http://pastebin.ca/680487
[12:40] <spaz> the reason why i can't install them is because they keep spitting out this error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcj7-1.postinst: line 15:  7402 Bus error               ldconfig
[12:40] <spaz> or some slight variant (the number before bus error is different)
[12:40] <spaz> any ideas?
[12:40] <spaz> i've run out :-/
[01:15] <Xero> Anyone had success with a WinTV-PVR USB2?
[01:15] <Xero> The picture, for me, is really really distorted and grainy
[01:15] <Xero> and there's no sound
[01:17] <d4rkmonkey> theres some hardware wiki but I'm not sure where it is....