[01:14] This has happened with a few packages [01:16] i wanted to ask is there some paticular order to installing the os that it prefers? === luc__ [n=luc@DSL01.83.171.172.40.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:20] installing what os? [01:21] which os's? [01:23] ubuntu fiesty either 32 or 64 bit [01:23] or gutsy [01:23] any order will do fine [01:24] how wbaout a hardware checking utility === aguitel [n=aguitel@118-87-235-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:24] er about [01:24] how upgrade from feisty to gutsy? [01:25] update manager -d [01:25] as root === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:27] ironmatar i'd install the least stable one first and then the stable one because then you'd be using a stable version of grub [01:28] Uh... [01:28] Grub hardly ever changes. [01:28] Gutsy's grub is perfectly stable. [01:29] anybody know of some good 3d games in the ubuntu repos? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:29] planetpenguin-racer [01:29] part of the time i cannot believe im doing this because all i really want to do is run a game so i can have my entertainment back [01:29] people swear by bzflag [01:29] but i like crack-attack [01:29] sam1337 ,sudo update manager -d ? [01:30] ppracer rocks your jocks! :P [01:30] aguitel something like that [01:30] yeah i love ppracer === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:30] not tried crack-attack yet [01:30] there's also fretsonfire [01:30] so... next month on the 4rth right ? [01:30] i heard apt-get distr-upgrade [01:30] er [01:31] ooo think i found my problem just dont know how to fix it lol [01:31] or this one on the tenth ? [01:31] aguitel that should do aswell but you might miss out on a step or two [01:31] lets see.... 7.10 was feisty right ? [01:31] 7.10 is gutsy [01:31] ok then [01:32] this month on the tenth ? [01:32] or the tenth month on the seventh ? [01:32] both is my guess [01:33] armegetron [01:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Gutsy/Wallpaper [01:33] I nominated this for the release... [01:33] is there any kind of hardware checking software i can run to check for basic hardware broken issues? [01:34] ironmator [01:34] you could check the logs [01:34] what logs and how do i get at them [01:35] nice wallpaper [01:35] armegetron is not in the repos [01:36] with wine, cedega and some good linux games i think linux is now a viable gaming os [01:36] ironmatar: memtest which is on the grub menu [01:36] what does memtest do? [01:36] funnily enough, it tests your memory [01:36] :P [01:36] is cedega free ? [01:36] my ram you mean? [01:36] snadge: i ran it i dont remember thing bad coming of it [01:36] and if theres any errors etc it will inform you and flash red [01:36] cedega is free for me [01:37] no cedega is not free [01:37] you can get it for free off cvs or something [01:37] hmm [01:37] ok [01:37] or theres allways bittorrent [01:37] is it recent ? [01:37] the cvs version ? [01:37] i torrented cedega off tuxwarez ;) [01:37] not sure [01:37] tuxwarez?!??!?!? [01:38] haha yeah.. has pirated linux software on it [01:38] im so there [01:38] im not sure if it exists anymore though [01:38] i tried to find it again the other day [01:38] im on it now [01:39] it has nothing good on it though [01:39] aah , the old pirate bay has tons of good things [01:39] yep so does isohunt [01:39] yeah one of the other torrent sites is bound to have it [01:39] the only problem is when you want something like software, its months old' [01:40] i found a pretty new ver of cedega from memory.. and a .deb package at that [01:40] i use pirate bay. i dont download anything off bittorrent without reading comments [01:40] and the engine you need to install it [01:40] i have the latest cedega engine works great [01:40] Discussion of illegal activities is not allowed here [01:41] true.. its a tad shady and off topic [01:41] busted! heh [01:41] Amarath ... most alpha users are off the edge anyway [01:42] youd have to be off the edge to run gutsy [01:42] we do tons of things you wouldnt find legal or,,,, wait for it.... SANE [01:42] its rigged to bits with bugs atm [01:42] not for me === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o Amaranth] by ChanServ [01:42] cedega should be free software anyway.. its based on free software.. okay, its not GPLed.. but theres a good reason why wine should be GPL ;) [01:42] :) [01:42] but then again I am using x86 [01:42] so my gutsy is more stable [01:42] snadge: Cedega is a fork from back when WINE was MIT/X11 licensed [01:42] im using x86 too and ive encountered a fair few bugs now [01:43] but then again , I have installed half the packages in universe and a few more [01:43] snadge: and a significant part of it is still available from transgaming's cvs server [01:43] ive installed just the barebones and a few games [01:43] the last time i tried to get cedega to build from cvs [01:43] well they aren't going to make it easy :) [01:43] i came to the conclusion that the cvs is there primarily as a joke [01:43] I have enlighenment , kde, kde4 , fvwm , fluxbox and gnome running on here. [01:44] over 3000 packages [01:44] i have kdebase [01:44] 1105 here [01:44] you cant just give code away that doesnt build.. that doesnt seem right to me [01:45] and just taking somones software is? [01:45] well I guess it builds ... if they mean that one line does [01:45] sam1337 ,if upgrade to gutsy ,can i roll back to feisty? [01:46] aguitel no [01:46] mesmo? [01:46] half my problem with proprietry software.. is they expect you to fully pay for it, before you even know if you want it or not [01:46] and generally, not wanting the software, or deciding it is crap.. isn't good enough reason for a full refund [01:46] snadge yeah that sucks when it comes to games [01:47] so my attitude is.. stuff them, if they want my money.. i'll pay them if i think that its worthy of my money, otherwise i'll delete the software and pretend it never existed ;) [01:47] snadge thats the way to go [01:47] brb crashing my unstable gutsy install [01:48] the other problem is.. you get used to all this high quality software, that comes with source, and is free [01:49] then theres people out there who expect you to pay for shoddy half assed programs, that you cant modify and are buggy === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-100.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] all i want to do is run eve and iv read and been told ubuntu/cedega works flawlesly with eve but so far after 3 weeks i have zip for a stable os and burning up my paid cedega sub time and nothing iv done or instructions iv followed have helped aparently now people have suggeted its my hardware for some blasted reason and at the same time suggest installing Gutsy...im beginning to wonder if this all just a joke or som [01:51] Having issues with using ndiswrapper; for some reason the modprobe fails to pick up on ndiswrapper. Check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541384 for more info! Thanks in advance. [01:51] Ironmater . software is a form of expression , like painting or writing. all it is is recorded instructions for a complicated calculator. WHY do artists CHARGE for their work ? I donate to any good oss project. It's about principle , as artistic expression is a higher path than just working and is rewarded as are preachers or goverment officials. BUT what right does anyone have to make a piece of crap, make me pay money for it , and prevents any [01:51] competition from rising by blasting everyone else through blackmail and uses PR to polish over the crap THEY made ? [01:51] ironmatar: having an ATI video card makes using cedega practically impossible for anything more sophisticaed than solitaire [01:52] I have ati , ahem [01:52] aiglx and XORG Ati drivers do exist [01:53] a lot of the games just say outright.. unplayable with ati.. or a list of bugs that are ati specific [01:53] its not a ati card gigbyte 8500 gt fanless 512 mb cache [01:53] an experimental r_300 series is coming out [01:53] look up xorg r_300 [01:53] its been coming out for a few years.. [01:53] so ? [01:53] so don't hold your breath :) [01:53] Xorg is a freaking ent. [01:53] and if you want good 3d accelleration with an ati card you are best off using windows. [01:53] they have been coming out for 20 years/ [01:54] hydrogen [01:54] F you. [01:54] ironmatar: i had good success with cedega 6.something .. was able to run c&c generals [01:54] terlmann: i'll pass === sam1337 [n=sam@host86-140-230-8.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-100.200.popsite.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Jupiter] [01:55] get off the linux channel if your going to recommend WINDOWS. Windows is like recommending saints to sin. [01:55] I became a nvidia fan they day I switched to linux for good. [01:55] no, its being practical [01:55] if you need good 3d accelleration, and you have an ati card [01:55] you are not going to get it using linux [01:55] its that simple [01:55] We are holy linux users whether we use ati intel or nvidia [01:55] and thank you , my 9250 works just fine [01:55] be as holy as you want [01:56] and just don't try running any demanding opengl games [01:56] how many fps does glxgears give you? 25? [01:56] good with sauerbraten , oblivion and WoW. [01:56] actually over 5000. === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:56] 61888 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12377.431 FPS [01:56] obviously youve never heard of Aiglx. [01:57] oh, I have [01:57] and I tried it [01:57] 20580 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4115.929 FPS [01:57] mhmm === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sam1337 [n=sam@host86-140-230-8.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:58] i remember when glxgears was modified so that you had to pass a parameter -iunderstandthisisnotabenchmark [01:58] or something [01:58] i switched to linux completely and removed windows the day i got my nvidia card and tossed my ati card [01:58] yea snadge [01:58] well dont go using sabayon [01:58] it broke my sweet nvidia [01:59] fried the firmware [01:59] how? [01:59] mhmm [01:59] sabayon isn't a good example of a linux distro [01:59] to begin with [01:59] :) [01:59] lol too right [01:59] I know ? [01:59] anyone know of a way to rescue my nvidia :-( [01:59] I never got anyone to help me [02:00] it was , o 5 months ago [02:00] I went back to my ati === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:01] isent the Firmware burnes into a bios like plug in chip? [02:01] still [02:01] ATI has something up the old sleeves [02:01] something about a tool to realtime convert opengl to direct x [02:01] and back [02:01] so they might spring back out [02:02] uhh [02:02] having been purchased by ati , I think, was a good move. [02:02] what'd be the point... [02:02] I mean puchased by amd [02:02] AMD rules. and that new ssl5 instruction set will rule even more this next year. [02:03] ITs going to make your Intel core 2 duos look like a peice of crap [02:03] does ubuntu support sli? [02:03] yeah but it will cost a billion [02:04] sam : sli is meaningless. get a few extra moniters , and make yourself a wall [02:04] useing multiple x sessions' [02:04] spread one desktop over all [02:04] anything i should know about gutsy installation? [02:05] ssl5? [02:05] means higher fps and resolution [02:05] WTF is ssl5? [02:05] yea. ssl5 is a new set [02:05] I mean sse5 [02:05] Uh, dude. [02:05] Nobody's even using SSE3 yet. [02:05] Are you insane? [02:05] HA [02:05] SSE5 isn't going to do crap. [02:05] Ive used sse3 for years [02:05] err. [02:05] Uh.... [02:05] yea [02:05] mplayer isn't even using SSE3 yet. === hydrogen builds a fanboi closet [02:05] so? [02:05] Most video encoders don't use SSE3. [02:06] nothing has to use them [02:06] Next to nothing is optimized for SSE3. [02:06] Most things aren't optimized for even multithreading with dual core CPU's. [02:06] What?/ [02:06] Are you insane? [02:06] just hold on [02:06] lol.. yeah, just having it say "SSE 3" on the box tends to speed things up automagically ;) [02:06] dual core is for dual suckers [02:06] sam1337: Dual core has benefits in video encoding and things like that. [02:07] You can't even try and argue with me about that one. [02:07] and sse5 will make thigns go almost as fast as -ffast-math! [02:07] http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=181750 [02:07] so what [02:07] it doesn't mean a thing [02:07] if apps don't use them [02:07] http://developer.amd.com/sse5.jsp [02:07] whcih they won't [02:07] Yeah they announced it. [02:07] That doesn't mean CRAP. [02:07] for a long time [02:07] Apps have to utilize it. [02:08] SSE3 has been around for a year if not more. [02:08] And hardly anyone's using it. [02:08] # [02:08] Fused multiply accumulate (FMACxx) instructions [02:08] # [02:08] Apps have to be written to take advantage of SSE anything, compilers don't just automagically transform things to use the latest SSE incarnation. === hydrogen sighs [02:08] yea [02:08] basically [02:09] but it still means faster proccesing [02:09] no [02:09] Not really. [02:09] it means /nothing/ [02:09] Not at all. [02:09] until apps use it [02:09] SSE5 means squat crap. [02:09] so in other words [02:09] you wish [02:09] all it means is a bigger price tag [02:09] but hey [02:09] And terlmann, don't you think Intel will come up with something of their own by then? [02:10] nope. [02:10] go install sabayon and fry your firmware on your motherboard so you can go fomg-fast with sse5 [02:10] hydrogen [02:10] wonders if their done yet and anything special i need to be aware of with gutsy insall [02:10] I hate sabayon [02:10] I love ubuntu [02:10] terlmann, are you insane or just a huge fanboy? === terlmann hugs his ubuntu [02:10] um severed, I am a AMD fanboy, yes === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:11] I despise intel for the many years they released CPU's with wimpy L2 cache's and amd took a stand. [02:12] ironmatar: I didn't run into any major problems [02:12] automounting seems to be a bit off still [02:12] and by any major I mean any problems at all [02:13] http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3073&p=2 [02:13] here [02:13] this will show you [02:13] the importance. [02:13] huh alrighty becus i dont know what else to do now except try gutsy is the Iso bigger than a cd now? [02:13] no [02:14] Dude. === TerraMaster [n=haaf@d66-183-224-132.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:14] You don't understand. [02:14] First of all, SSE5 is going to be tuned to specialized data processing. [02:14] As the article mentions, it implements features found for a long time in DSP's--digital signal processors. [02:14] MY flash is not producing any sound, any help? [02:14] And for the last time, applicatoins have to be written to take advantage of SSE5. [02:14] Do you think gcc/g++ are going to emit FMAC instructions? [02:14] half the instructions means 200% faster applictations. [02:15] You're obviously not reading a word we say. [02:15] SeveredCross: just move on [02:15] did you read the specs ? [02:15] SeveredCross: some causes are just lost [02:15] have you even looked at some sse5 documentation ? [02:15] SeveredCross: +1 for amd's marketing I guess [02:15] My flash (movie whatever im playing) is not producing any sound, any help? [02:15] hydrogen: Good point. I just can't help myself sometimes. [02:15] NO marketing whatsoever. I just see quality. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:16] of course terlmann [02:16] what else would you see === hydrogen goes off and does stuffs [02:16] what do you see ? [02:17] terlmann: The point is, buying a AMD CPU because it has a SSE5 instruction set doesn't make sense before applications make use of them.. which will take a long time. [02:18] optimize code. those are the key words. the GCC compiler will be able to optimize code for the new sets. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:18] I am not planning to buy anything till there is some support. [02:18] I don't have the money ;-D [02:19] And saying that SSE 5 will make intel cpu's look like crap is down right stupid.. === holzmodem [n=holzmode@dslb-084-060-212-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:20] what link do i use to find the gutsy iso === Dana1 [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:20] I think intel is crap , through and through. those stupid ads recently showing those WEIRD people . the long line of rip-off pentiums. [02:21] AMD is the real deal. you buy Intel, you buy Microsoft. I dont buy microsoft. [02:21] lol [02:22] terlmann: i have a acronym for you: stfu as i believe we ahve heard enough out of you === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:23] My desktop gnome is fucked, but my laptop is fine. and they both have the latest gutsy. === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:23] my laptop I formatted with gutsy a few weeks ago, my Desktop I've had gutsy a lot longer, and I upgraded from feisty [02:23] How can I reset my Desktop gnome environment? === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:24] I deleted .gnome*, .gconf etc, but it only helped a little. I still don't have minimize/max/x, or other stuff. backspace doesn't work right, etc [02:24] sid: see if it goes away with a new user [02:28] im running a fiesty live cd atm just so i can troubleshoot this system id like to install gutsy clean and not upgrade how do i do that [02:29] jrib: no, a new user doesn't matter === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-60.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:29] sid: well at least now you know it's not a config issue [02:29] sid: are you using compiz? [02:30] just reinstall gnome [02:30] ironmatar: grab an iso from ubuntu.com/testing, pop it in the drive, and reboot [02:31] its kind of hard to burn a iso image while running on a live cd [02:31] no you can pop out a livecd [02:32] there might be a boot time flag to load the whole cd into memory [02:32] how much ram do you have? [02:32] well not sure about that, but you could install feisty and then use it to burn the cd if you have no other os [02:32] How then would be the questin becuase eject cd dose not work [02:33] 2 gb active mem [02:34] the usual option is docache [02:34] I think [02:37] some reason i shouldent use the 64 bit that is For my 64 bit athelon system? [02:37] its usually not worth it [02:38] there are still a number of 32bit-only binary apps [02:38] Anyone running device-mapper with 64-bit Tribe-5 ? [02:39] a lot of people say not worth it my concern is the archatecture matching the hardware...for stability reasns [02:40] no [02:40] 64bit hardware can run in 32bit without problems [02:41] can i turn 32bit ubuntu into 64bit ubuntu without reinstalling? [02:42] no === Daviey [n=dave@ubuntu/member/daviey] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:43] Hi, is there a known issue with restricted-drivers & nvidia atm? === DanaG [n=dana@24-205-237-211.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:44] i dont think so [02:44] mine work fine [02:44] sam1337: did it grab an update? [02:45] but dont work well with compiz fusion and opengl apps [02:45] Daviey did what grab an update? [02:45] sam1337: restricted-drivers app [02:46] i only just installed my nvidia driver today [02:46] oh [02:46] thanks === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@201-66-201-229.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RxDx [i=Rodrigo@201-74-144-221-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:51] jrib: no compiz [02:51] jrib: although when I make a new user, compiz is on by default === SmrtJustin [n=SmrtJust@cblmdm72-241-92-132.buckeyecom.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:57] 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 is looking good here. [02:57] Compiling programs appears to be about 40% faster [02:58] I've just patched gnome-mount-0.6 to auto-mount encrypted file-systems that don't use passwords, only key-files, and that works great === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SpudDogg [n=spuddogg@c-76-109-159-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:06] I highly doubt that things compile 40% faster across the board but :) [03:08] lol 40% faster? I dont think so [03:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325 this bug is the thing which is annoying me most about gutsy atm and i hope it gets fixed soon. [03:09] Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new] glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:10] anybody know of a fix? === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:18] yea [03:18] beryl [03:18] hold one [03:19] im holding on === Dougie [n=dougie@pool-71-240-28-61.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:19] compiz fusion is beryl, shure [03:19] compiz fusion is compiz and beryl merged [03:19] not by my standards [03:19] not YET [03:20] more compiz than beryl in my opinion [03:20] compiz fusion is compiz with some of the beryl plugins === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.37.108] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] but certainly not enough :) [03:20] well enough for me but not enough to say its the same as beryl [03:20] i think it has more plugins [03:21] but not all the beryl plugins i don't believe === malnilion [n=malnilio@adsl-70-233-254-190.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:22] example? [03:22] yeah but it has more plugins that beryl dosent have plus compiz fusion is faster and more stable imo [03:22] yeah it is [03:23] deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ feisty eyecandy and same as that with eyecandy replaced with 3v1n0 [03:23] shame about bug 130325 otherwise i'd use it [03:23] Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new] glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325 [03:23] not certain if it could just be "feisty eyecandy 3v..... [03:23] never tried it [03:24] hmm.... haven't had compiz fusion crash during any 3dapps [03:24] of course i'm using binary drivers [03:24] probably why [03:24] the bug is *only in* binary drivers [03:24] im using latest in Ubuntu repo [03:24] specifically nvidia-glx-new [03:24] thats the one [03:24] ah....well I'm using binary drivers from envy [03:24] well that's the same driver [03:25] hm... wonder why it doesn't make me crash [03:25] what nvidia card is it? [03:25] 8500gt [03:25] 7600GS i have [03:25] maybe thats why? [03:26] my next pc will have 2gb graphics memory :D [03:27] 2gb's of video memmory.........exactly what card are you going to use? [03:27] 2 8600gt [03:27] will cost only 220 [03:27] ...and they have 1 gig on each card? [03:28] yes [03:28] does linux support SLI yet? [03:28] and a 600mhz gpu [03:28] i hope so [03:28] thats what ive been trying to find out for a while [03:28] i know a couple months ago it wasn't supported [03:29] google is your pal ;-) [03:29] linus will probably get it implemented into the kernel soon enough === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:29]