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perlsyntaxhey03:16
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jribhi03:16
perlsyntaxwhat up03:16
jribperlsyntax: where are you trying to 'cd' to?03:16
perlsyntaxyes i am03:17
jrib*where*03:17
perlsyntaxi try to install kismet by hand.03:17
perlsyntaxi download kismet and put it in my home03:17
jribperlsyntax: do you know that kismet is in the repositories?  No need to compile03:17
jrib!info kismet03:17
ubotukismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (feisty), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB03:17
perlsyntaxand i try to cd it and not anything happons.03:17
perlsyntaxodd i think03:18
jribperlsyntax: you know about using APT on ubuntu to install kismet?03:18
perlsyntaxyes i do03:18
jribdo you not want to for some reason?03:18
perlsyntaxthe tar file got more tols that come with it.03:19
perlsyntaxtools03:19
jribok, then tell me the exact commands you are trying and the full output03:19
perlsyntaxtar kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz03:19
perlsyntaxand it in my home floder when i do that.03:19
perlsyntaxand i try to cd kismet-2007-R1b03:20
jribyou need to do 'tar xf kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz' to extract03:21
perlsyntaxreally03:21
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degrit'ullo03:21
jribyou should be getting errors03:22
perlsyntaxput it in my home floder right?03:22
perlsyntaxsorry for my spelling.03:22
jribyes, if that is where the tar.gz is03:22
jribhi degrit03:22
perlsyntaxtar: kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory03:23
perlsyntaxtar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now03:23
perlsyntaxodd03:23
perlsyntaxit in my home03:23
jribhow do you know?03:24
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perlsyntaxi see it there03:25
perlsyntaxchecking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc103:25
perlsyntaxchecking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc103:25
perlsyntaxchecking for gcc... gcc03:25
perlsyntaxchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables03:25
perlsyntaxSee `config.log' for more details.03:25
jribwhere are you seeing it03:25
jriberm, so now you are past the extracting part and you are 'cd' in the directory then?03:26
perlsyntaxi type cd and the ./configure and it get that error.03:26
jrib!compiling > perlsyntax (see the private message from ubotu)03:26
jribperlsyntax: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep kismet03:26
perlsyntaxwhat message?03:26
jribperlsyntax: there should be a tab with a message from ubotu03:27
perlsyntaxihow do i get tht message?03:27
jribdo you see "ubotu" somewhere on the xchat screen (not in the name list)03:27
perlsyntaxyes03:27
jribclick on it03:27
perlsyntaxok03:28
perlsyntaxi did03:29
jribhe gives you detailed information, but my command should get you started03:29
perlsyntaxok03:30
perlsyntaxi use doing tar zxvf03:30
jribthat works too03:30
perlsyntaxi try that then03:30
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perlsyntaxchecking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc103:32
perlsyntaxchecking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc103:32
perlsyntaxchecking for gcc... gcc03:32
perlsyntaxchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables03:32
perlsyntaxmaybe i should go back to fedora.03:32
jribperlsyntax: did you do the apt-get command I gave you?03:34
perlsyntaxyes03:35
perlsyntaxit werid i can't untar a file with this.03:35
jribif you are running ./configure then you already untarred it03:35
perlsyntaxok03:35
jribpastebin the output of the apt-get command I gave you please03:35
jrib!pastebin03:36
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:36
jribactually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential03:36
perlsyntaxwhen  i was on fedora all i did was cd and then ./configure and make and install.it.03:37
jribubuntu does not come with devel tools by default, so you need to install them03:37
perlsyntaxthat sucks03:37
jribnot really, it's one command03:38
perlsyntaxwhat devel tools do i need to do that?03:38
jribactually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential03:38
perlsyntaxi just type that03:38
jribyes and then show me what it says03:39
perlsyntaxit will not let me paste it03:40
jribjust paste it here then03:41
perlsyntaxi trying to do that.03:41
perlsyntaxmmm03:41
jribhilight the output, then go to xchat and middle click in the entry field03:41
perlsyntaxi don't see entry field03:43
jribthe place where you type03:44
perlsyntaxbuild-essential:03:45
perlsyntax  Installed: (none)03:45
perlsyntax  Candidate: 11.3ubuntu103:45
perlsyntax  Version table:03:45
perlsyntax     11.3ubuntu1 003:45
perlsyntax        500 cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070902) gutsy/main Packages03:45
perlsyntax        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages03:45
jribgutsy is still being developed, you should be using a stable release03:45
perlsyntaxok03:45
perlsyntaxthat the prob03:45
jribbut to install the development tools you need to do this command: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get install build-dep kismet03:46
jribyou also need to read the page ubotu is about to tell you about:03:46
jrib!compiling03:46
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)03:46
jrib...03:48
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croweboyPriceChild im here09:40
PriceChildHey09:41
PriceChildso what's up?09:41
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croweboyok  so ill explain what i was doing09:41
Nighthawk420hello all09:41
croweboylastnight i had a guy trying to help me install Final Fantasy II09:41
croweboytodo so he had me install a program called envy09:42
croweboyfor the nvidia drivers needed09:42
croweboywell it ended up not working09:42
naliothEEEK! it's PriceChild09:42
croweboyto use the envy drivers i had to disable the nvidea accelerated graphics driver in "restricted Drivers"09:43
PriceChildbut why?!09:43
croweboybut at first i was able to switch back and forth09:43
PriceChildrestricted drivers does the same as envy does...09:43
croweboynow i cant09:43
PriceChildbut RD is supported by ubuntu09:43
croweboyi get it was conflicting or something09:43
croweboywith the envy drivers or something09:43
croweboyreason was during the cedega setup the driver would fail09:44
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croweboyunless i had the restricted driver disabled09:44
croweboythen it would work09:44
croweboyso now that i cant use cedega becuase ffxi is crap on linux09:44
PriceChildSo what's the problem now?09:45
PriceChildrestricted driver manager doesn't work?09:45
croweboyfor somereason i cant reenable the restriced driver which is some fault of mine09:45
PriceChildwhat error does it give?09:45
croweboypretty much09:45
PriceChildbecause you gave me one earlier...09:45
croweboylet me go get it09:45
PriceChildthen said another....09:45
croweboywhen i try to enable the driver it get this09:46
croweboyE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.09:46
croweboyE: _cache->open() failed, please report.09:46
PriceChildok09:46
PriceChildin a terminal run the following09:46
PriceChild"sudo dpkg --configure -a"09:46
PriceChildwithout the quotes09:46
croweboyso i go to the terminal and enter dpkg --configure -a09:46
croweboykk09:46
croweboyi copied that in and hit enter it asked for my password i hit enter and then it went back to chris@pc's name:-$09:47
croweboyis that right09:47
croweboyok i think that might have worked09:49
croweboybrb have to restart09:49
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croweboyPrice are you here10:06
croweboyPrice so i guess im gonna cut my losses sinse the boot is working10:06
naliothcut losses?10:08
croweboy i was having a driver problem the entenualy lead to me not being able to get into ubuntu10:08
croweboyi didnt something that screwed it up10:08
croweboyi just happened to have to boot options for some reason on my boot screen so i went into the second one10:09
naliothi've been reading10:09
croweboyand luckily every thing is working in that one10:09
croweboywhat caused the problem to start with was10:10
croweboyi was trying to get Final Fantasy II to run on ubuntu10:11
croweboyby useing a program called cedega and envy for the nvidia drivers10:11
naliothyes, i read all you've said to PriceChild10:11
croweboyok10:11
naliothi'm interested in "cutting losses"10:12
croweboywell ,, the "boot" for lack of a beter way to put it that i was useing only takes me to text now10:12
croweboyi dont know what i did10:12
croweboyso i guess im just gonna have to use this one sinse it works10:13
croweboythus cutt my losses10:13
croweboyand be thankful i didnt complete loose ubuntu or what ever10:13
croweboybtw only been useing linux for a week now10:13
croweboytotal noob10:13
naliothso you do have a graphical ubuntu ?10:15
croweboyyeah some how it was listed twice at the boot screen ,,, im dual booting ubuntu and windows but there were to ubuntu options10:16
croweboyso i went to the second on10:16
croweboyone10:16
croweboyso im asumeing i have it instaled twice or something10:16
croweboyi really have no idea10:17
naliothah, you are using an older kernel10:17
croweboyi am ?10:17
croweboyits ubuntu 7.0.410:17
nalioththe 'boot options' you speak of are older version of the kernel10:18
croweboyi need to reformat but it took me hours of help to get compiz fusion going and i dont want to loose it10:18
croweboyi c10:18
naliothit allows you to get into Ubuntu if you've trashed your current setup10:18
naliothare you familiar with the command line?10:18
croweboyyou seem be pretty knowledgeable10:18
croweboyi think thats exactly what i did10:18
naliothi know a bit about linux10:18
naliothbeen using it since 199710:19
croweboyanyway i could keep incontact with you10:19
croweboybeing im a brand new user and dont know what im doing10:19
croweboylol10:19
naliothmaybe10:19
croweboyhehe id really appriciate it10:20
naliothare you familiar with the command line?10:20
croweboynope10:20
naliothpity10:20
croweboyonly know what other people have been telling me to do10:20
naliothif you were, you could boot into your most current kernel (the one you screwed up with non official crap) and fix it10:20
naliothit's an easy fix10:20
croweboyi guess im familiar enough to do what im told10:21
croweboyi didnt realize i was doing non offical stuff10:21
PriceChildgah back sorry.10:22
croweboyprice my normal one that i log into is total screwed lol10:23
croweboyim in a second one10:23
croweboyit works fine10:24
croweboynalioth how would i go about fixing the other10:24
naliothcroweboy: got two computers?10:25
croweboyyum yeah a windows one that doesnt have any irc client on it10:25
croweboydo you have yahoo or somehting10:25
PriceChildcroweboy, free xchat for windows: http://silverex.org/download/10:36
croweboykk10:37
croweboyone sec10:37
croweboyhave to turn it on10:38
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=== PriceChild feels clean
croweboylol10:48
croweboyill be back guys10:53
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FlannelWhat's up RickH?11:38
RickHQuestions....11:39
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RickHI am wanting to pin the .29 release of 2.6.20-1611:39
medflywoah, this channel actually exists11:39
RickHI assume I add entries to something.  But I have no idea what to add.11:39
RickHhere is my problem:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54192911:41
RickHFlannel:  Any ideas?11:43
FlannelRickH: alright, so, we actually don't have to edit anything to do pinning, just pass correct parameters to apt-get11:43
RickHFlannel:  How do we tell it to get a specific version (the .29 instead of .31)?11:44
FlannelFirst, we're going to go ahead and remove linux-image-generic, since it'll cause problems with depending on .3111:44
RickHFlannel:  That's the part I don't understand.11:44
RickHFlannel:  Okay.  I can do that through synaptic?11:44
FlannelYou'll want to (once this is figured out), reinstall linux-generic, to continue updating11:44
FlannelYou can.  Just remove linux-image-generic (it'll drag linux-generic with it)11:44
RickHokay, removing11:45
RickHremoved11:45
FlannelThe man page we're referencnig is man apt_preferences, in case you want further reading11:45
RickHokay11:45
Flannelso, what we're going to do is tell apt that we want an older version (2.6.20-16.28) of linux-image-generic11:46
RickH.29, but yes.11:46
Flannel29? sure.  We're also going to do the same for linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic11:47
Flannelwhich is the kernel itself11:47
RickHI believe I had .29 previously.  My VMware install is still showing .29, as are the restricted devices11:47
Flannelhmm, we're going to need to do restricted as well.  Why don't I see those packages.ubuntu.com?11:48
FlannelAh, there they are11:48
RickHThey're at the bottom of the backported page11:48
RickHWhat is it you're doing right now?11:48
RickHAre you gathering the correct package names for the versions?11:48
FlannelWe're also going to be pinning linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic11:49
Flannelso, four packages to pin in total, all to the same version11:49
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RickHAre they pinned at 2.6.20-16-generic once we've installed the .29 version?11:49
Flanneler, they'll be pinned to the .29 version11:49
FlannelThey currently are 2.6.20-16-generic, just version 31 instead of 2911:49
RickHOkay, that's where you lose me.  If we don't know the package names with the .29 part, how can we tell it to pin at that version?11:50
Flannelhmm.  restricted modules is shown as version .28.111:50
FlannelWhat version of restricted modules do you have currently?11:50
RickHchecking synaptic11:50
FlannelRickH: There's two version numbers in play here.  One is part of the package name, the other is the actual version number.  Like look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic11:51
RickH"linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic" and installed version "2.6.20.5-16.29"11:51
FlannelThe part in the parenthesis is the real verion number.  The other is part of the name of the package11:51
Flannelright, so, I ... don't think we need to revert restricted modules then11:51
RickHright, it is correct11:51
RickHbut, I would like to have it pinned as well (so it won't break in the future)11:51
RickHI'm happy with this version of Linux.  I want to install various upgrades, just not kernel stuff.11:51
Flannelalright.  Well, that sound regression should be fixed sooner or later11:52
RickHHEY!11:52
Flannelbut, I guess unpinning is just reinstalling linux-generic and removing our pins11:52
RickHWhen I deleted the 2.6.20-16.31 linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, now it's showing 2.6.20.15-27 is the current installed version11:52
RickHDo I need to uninstall that one?11:52
Flannel-15 and -1611:53
Flannelno11:53
FlannelDon't delete .31 either11:53
FlannelWe're keeping the package installed, just lowering it's version number11:53
RickHokay11:53
Flannelso, for pinning, we're going to be creating /etc/apt/preferences, so go ahead and gksu "gedit /etc/apt/preferences"11:54
RickHokay11:54
RickHas root?11:54
FlannelNo, the gksu will take care of that11:54
RickHI get about 40 lines of stuff like this in the command window:11:55
RickHgedit /etc/apt/preferences11:55
RickHALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings11:55
RickHnot the gedit line, that was in the clipboard by mistake.11:55
RickH/etc/apt/preferences is up and empty11:55
FlannelDid you use gksu with gedit?11:55
RickHyes11:56
Flannelok11:56
Flannelso, we're going to be modelling all of our pinning after the first example in the man page.  the one re: perl and 5.811:56
RickHrick@rick-desktop:~$ gksu gedit /etc/apt/preferences11:56
RickHALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'11:56
RickHokay11:56
Flannelwe need a priority of at least 1000, because that's whats required for version downgrading.11:56
Flannelso, make four copies of those three lines, and we'll modify them accordingly11:57
RickHokay11:57
FlannelI'm sure there's some nifty way of putting them all on the same, but I don't know it11:57
RickHdone11:57
RickHno problem.11:57
RickHif this works I'll be very happy.11:57
FlannelSo, for each of them, write the package name (linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, etc)11:58
RickHPackage: perl11:58
RickHPin: version 5.8*11:58
RickHPin-Priority: 100111:58
RickH4 groups like that11:58
FlannelYeah.  then for Package: change the text11:58
RickHI didn't see your response.11:58
RickHWhat are the other two names?11:58
Flannellinux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic11:59
RickHAh11:59
RickHI thought you said we weren't doing those?  But this is for pinning (so they won't be changed in the future)?11:59
FlannelIt wont hurt11:59
RickHokay, done12:00
Flannelso, for linux-imgage-version-generic, we want to pin it to version 2.6.20-16.2912:00
Flannelif 29 is the one you want (I have no idea)12:00
RickHWhat's the paste code url?  I'll paste what I have12:01
Flannelfor both items without version numbers (l-i-g and l-r-m-g) we want version 2.6.20-16.28.112:01
FlannelPaste it once you're done, we'll see if yours matches my mental one12:01
Flanneland then for l-r-m-version-g we want version 2.6.20.5-16.2912:02
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RickHhttp://www.pastecode.org/12412:02
RickHhold12:03
RickHpasting again12:03
RickHhttp://www.pastecode.org/12612:03
FlannelRickH: not quite.  http://www.pastecode.org/12512:03
Flannelyeah12:04
RickHI re-read your instructions12:04
RickHokay, got it.12:04
FlannelI'm getting those versions from packages.ubuntu.com12:04
RickHShould I use the same versions I currently have installed in Synaptic since they're slightly different?12:04
FlannelAlright, now, If you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade, what do you get?12:05
RickH2.6.20.5-16.2912:05
RickHShould I use .29 instead of .28-1?12:05
FlannelThats what we have in your pastebin, isnt it?12:05
RickH.28.1?12:05
Flannelwhich package is that for?12:05
RickHlrm-v-g12:05
Flannelreally?12:05
RickHyes12:05
RickHI can send you a screen shot12:06
FlannelNah, I believe you.  I don't know.  It's up to you, you can always change later12:06
FlannelAh HA12:06
Flannelhttp://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20_2.6.20.5-16.29/changelog12:06
FlannelTheres the changelog12:06
Flannelso, yeah, looks like .5-16.29 is good12:07
RickHI get this:12:07
RickHFailed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)12:07
RickHFailed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)12:07
RickHReading package lists... Done12:07
RickHE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.12:07
FlannelAnyway, that thing I just gave you, the update and upgrade with -s, will show you what changes it will make12:07
FlannelWe shouldn't have a problem using old indexes12:08
Flanneldid you save this file before doing that?12:08
RickHyes12:08
RickHrick@rick-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -s upgrade12:08
RickHReading package lists... Done12:08
RickHBuilding dependency tree12:08
RickHReading state information... Done12:08
RickHThe following packages have been kept back:12:08
RickH  linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic12:08
RickH0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.12:08

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